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    We also saw both doctors Ginios. Defo stick with Dr G, in my opinion - he's the expert.

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    Ginios... yes, I've already replied to you on the "Azoospermia" thread, but just incase other followers are reading I'll re-post it here, in case it helps others.

    I loved both Dr L + Dr G almost equally, and so did DH. Not only are they the best, but they are actually the only two in NSW doing the "micro-dissection" procedure. All others only do aspirations and biopsies. That's the most important thing I wish I knew 12 months ago! Now, when I say they are the only two, I would like to point out that Dr G is actually presently training up a couple of others to do it (but they're not ready yet, but some time in the future there will be others doing it).

    I think what also swayed us to going with Dr G (and IVFA) was who I would be having as my FS, in that I preferred Prof Illingworth (IVFA) over Dr Clark (Fertility First). I've had "issues" with the front desk at both IVFA + FF (not following up things, not faxing results to the MFI specialists, then ringing me duplicate times etc), so you can't base the experience on that. A couple of the other ladies on here, like Peonies :-) also recommended Dr G over over Dr L, and I really felt connected to their views. Dr L sent DH for a whole range of tests that no other GP or FS had even mentioned in the previous 9 months, so I was impressed. When we then went to Dr G he actually said he highly regards Dr L and was very pleased that Dr L had already done most of the hard work and had so many test results done. However Dr G then sent DH for even more tests. But I think it's a good idea to go see both - ask as many questions as you can, have as many tests done preferably before going to see them (e.g. Inhibin B, micro deletion of the Y chromosome). It's not cheap to double up the appointments and see both, but I felt the knowledge I gained in doing so easily outweighed the fees - it's insignificant when you put it together with all the other IVF fees! Good luck.

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    We're now in our first IVF tww! And I've realised something that might be useful to others with MFI.


    If you plan an IVF cycle alongside a TESA, you'll probably have realised that with both of you going under anaesthetic on the same day, a third person has to drive you both home and stay with you. We had that arranged, but both of us took longer than expected to recover. One week later and things like bending down to the dishwasher / oven are still hard, and carrying groceries in from the car is not going to happen! None of this being cared for by DH after my EPU...I had to drive us to/from the ET appointment as he couldn't bear to drive at that point. (He can now, guys, don't panic!)


    So if you've never done a TESA/EPU before to know how you'll react, think a week or so ahead in terms of shopping, cleaning, heavy lifting, etc. (For guys, DH suggests 4 days recovery for an aspiration, 7 days for an open biopsy - he's the new expert.) Or maybe have a friend you can phone who is understanding of the fact that both of you are incapacitated at the same time!

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    Thanks for that little sunflowers! We have my sister driving us to the appointment. How long was your husband in the surgery for? I'm getting a bit nervous/excited now.

    On the other hand I had a blood test today and something went wrong. My arm swelled up and in pain. They gave me ice packs but its going to bruise. I've had it happen before and my arm from shoulder to wrist was black! Not going to be a good look at the beach this weekend!

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    Quote Originally Posted by two souls View Post
    Thanks for that little sunflowers! We have my sister driving us to the appointment. How long was your husband in the surgery for?

    On the other hand I had a blood test today and something went wrong. My arm swelled up and in pain.
    He was in surgery for about 30mins. I've had that issue with blood tests too - now I drink lots of water and use heat packs to prevent it happening again! I think it happens when they have to try too hard to get the sample and the vein gets a bit pincushiony...

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    Yes, we've arranged for my Mum to drive us. I think I might have already mentioned elsewhere that my DH has bagsed the back seat on the way home as he's planning to lie down. After your recommendations, my DH has told his work he'll be off for a week, but will be able to do some work from home, so that should be good. We have one of those little tables on wheels, so DH plans to lie in bed for the whole week and work from there!!

    I'm planning to have EPU off and the next two days. On my first cycle I couldn't move the day after, but third day was fine, but at that time I was on holidays. This time I have to go back to work so hoping that EPU + 2 days will be fine. I guess I always have the option of phoning work and saying I'm still unwell if I'm not good.

    My Mum was great in the cycles before, even though it was only a couple of days each time. She shopped for me, and brought food over, even though we could have managed without. No doubt she'll love to dote over us this time too. Wouldn't it be great if it eventuates this time in a baby, that she could really dote on ? (my siblings both aren't married so no grandchildren)

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    Wondering what any of you think about trying IUI with a donor, as opposed to IVF, once you know you have to use donor? Our mTESE two weeks ago found no sperm, and with our donor we had a good fert rate with IVF (he is a donor certified for use in IUI also). However with my low AMH we're not really expecting to get many, if any, frosties per cycle. Would you try IUI next, or continue with IVF under those circumstances?

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    I've talked about this with a couple of people, and the general consensus each time is that IUI is not worth the money you pay for it. It only has a 10 - 15% success rate each attempt, and the success rate for a total of 6 cycles is only about 40%. Some people think they should give it a go first, but generally it's worth paying more for IVF where you (supposedly, unless you're me) have a 40 - 50% success rate each time. I guess it comes down to whether the individual couple are okay with spending money on something that they know has an 85% chance of not working.

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    Littlesunflowers - I guess it depends on how much IUIs cost at your clinic. If they're not much, it might be worth a few tries. Low AMH does make it harder to say you're better off doing IVF because you might be only getting a few eggs each time. Is that as worth it as someone who gets 10 or 12? Hmmm.

    Are they going to try Saizen or something next time to help with the eggs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peoniesarepretty View Post
    Are they going to try Saizen or something next time to help with the eggs?
    We haven't gone back to discuss with FS yet. Really I think this first full cycle has gone pretty well; I just don't feel like more IVF is the right next step for me at this point. The only reason I am hesitating is that the sperm doesn't come for free and will push up the cost of IUI significantly. But sperm from this donor costs for each IVF cycle too, so we're paying for it either way...


 

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