Infection rates

**ShadyCharacter** · 12-09-2007 09:49

Originally Posted by candyn

Parents have a right to be a parent.
If you don't like it don't do it, if we atart banning everything then we might as well live under a dictatorship and be forced to all think alike.

I have a right to be a parent, but my son has a right to keep his body intact

There are plenty of things we are banned from doing to our children to protect their safety... circumcision would just be another thing on a long list.

**nut** · 12-09-2007 10:11

My DS is intact and no infections, my DH is intact and no infections.

**Verdi** · 12-09-2007 10:18

Well lets take to the extreme then lets ban:

Lets ban ear piercings on babies,
There has to be a line where the government should just keep out of parental choices.

Look i have not and hopefully will not need to circumcise my boys all i am saying is that putting a ban on it is taking away parental rights.

This is from a medical site:

While some people may consider any kind of circumcision to be a form of ..........it is important to identify the distinction between male and female circumcision. One of the most compelling reasons for the distinction is that female circumcision, also known as female genital mutilation, FGM, is equivalent to the removal of the shaft, not just the foreskin, of the penis.
Male circumcision is the surgical removal of the foreskin that covers the glans or head of the penis. Generally this procedure is performed in the hospital, with hygienic or sterilized instruments, shortly after birth. It can also take place as part of a religious or cultural ceremony after an infant boy leaves the hospital. In addition, some adult men are circumcised for medical, hygienic, or aesthetic reasons. While circumcision of men has been uncommon in Asia, South America, Central America, the Middle East, and most of Europe, it has been and still is fairly common in Canada and is routinely practiced in the United States. In the U.S., about 1.2 million infant boys are circumcised annually.
Female circumcision is a ritual cutting or alteration of the clitoris and/or the inner lips. It is most often performed for cultural or religious reasons on girls between the ages of four and ten years. The procedure is commonly carried out by untrained individuals in unsanitary conditions with rudimentary instruments (e.g., razor blades, broken glass, and/or knives) and without anesthesia, which is why it is referred to as female genital mutilation. Although FGM continues primarily in Africa and in small communities in the Middle East and Asia, it is prohibited by law in many countries around the world. Generally, when girls or women are circumcised, a portion of or the entire visible glans of the clitoris is removed. In addition, sometimes the inner lips (a.k.a. labia minora) are also removed and the outer lips are sewn together, covering the urethra and most of the vaginal opening, in a procedure called infibulation. FGM and infibulation can lead to frequent infections and cause many kinds of physical complications with urination, menstruation, and intercourse/penetration. The possible psychological impact of the procedure has been less well-understood. It is estimated that between 115 and 130 million women around the world have undergone these procedures.

This is why the procedures are different.

So there you go theory out the window that they are exactly the same, they are not!
I knew this from my studies in Nursing that the Mens penal Glands stay intact

As i said before the only reason this procedure is done on a female is to make her not have pleasurable sex so they take out alot of the glands and labia, vs only the foreskin of a penis.

**ShadyCharacter** · 12-09-2007 10:27

Originally Posted by candyn

One of the most compelling reasons for the distinction is that female circumcision, also known as female genital mutilation, FGM, is equivalent to the removal of the shaft, not just the foreskin, of the penis.

And no, I completely disagree with that, and would argue that it is a matter of opinion only. With FGM, you are not removing the vagina (the actual reproductive part), removing a vagina would be equivalent to removing the entire penile shaft - both of THOSE would be removing the entire reproductive organ.

**forbetoel** · 12-09-2007 10:29

Originally Posted by candyn

Well lets take to the extreme then lets ban:

Lets ban ear piercings on babies, as we are mutilating their ears.
There has to be a line where the government should just keep out of parental choices.

Yes where do we draw the line?? Babie's as young as a few weeks old have their ears peirced.

**Verdi** · 12-09-2007 10:46

Hey you are entitled to your own opinions, but i totally disagree and would love medical opinion on the subject not some heresay about the procedure.

All i can say that surgically they are very different operations and involve different outcomes. There is very strong reasons for banning fGM but not male circumcision. IMO they are totally different.

4boystolove - you are right where do you draw the line?

**Pippi Longstocking** · 12-09-2007 11:44

Candyn, are you aware of the different degrees of FGM?

There is Type I: Clitoridectomy, Type II: Excision, and Type III: Infibulation
Type I is completely comparable to male circumcision - it involves the splitting or removal of the clitoral hood. Do you think we should be allowed to have this "parental choice" over our new born daughters? If not, why not?

**Verdi** · 12-09-2007 11:51

Yes i understand it all, but it is still different.

There is no benefits (medicall for any FGM) but for males there are/ can be.

All i am saying is that i don't think it warrants a ban i would be more concerned with child abuse and neglect.

**forbetoel** · 12-09-2007 11:51

Originally Posted by Guv'nor

Candyn, are you aware of the different degrees of FGM?

There is Type I: Clitoridectomy, Type II: Excision, and Type III: Infibulation
Type I is completely comparable to male circumcision - it involves the splitting or removal of the clitoral hood. Do you think we should be allowed to have this "parental choice" over our new born daughters? If not, why not?

This is a serious question, as I do not know, but... do females get infections in the hood of their clitoris???

**Pippi Longstocking** · 12-09-2007 11:54

Originally Posted by 4boys2love

This is a serious question, as I do not know, but... do females get infections in the hood of their clitoris???

I think the fact that the hood of the clitoris isn't unduly forced down would probably play a big part in the lack of clitoral infections. Most foreskin infections are caused by improper handling/poor hygiene practices/strong soaps/and the big one, forced early retraction.

Let me ask you this - if you had a daughter that did get an infection in her clitoral hood, would you have it amputated?