Karicare Gold on the news

[chameleon]

I was listening to the news this morning and heard them say something about Karicare Gold having some unapproved ingredients and they want it taken off the shelves or something...?:confused:

My daughter is on Karicare Gold Toddler Milk, so I was wondering if anyone knows what it was about. I didn't hear the whole thing.

[OscarTheGrouch]

Maybe they're talking about the pre-biotics to help with babies immune system. Maybe Nestle have started the inquiry (god I'm cynical!!!)!!:D ;)

[SammieSnail]

I would start by contacting the company (Nutricia). I just checked out their website and they have a press release on this page - http://www.nutricia.com.au/kcpress.asp
That says:
Criticism of Nutricia's advertising should not mislead parents

Nutricia advises consumers not to be misled by discussion this week of Nutricia's advertising which wrongly alleged its Karicare range of toddler formula products is high in sugar.

Karicare products do not contain added table sugar (sucrose). The labeled levels of sugars in Karicare products are comparable to standard cows milk.

As an example, Pura Tone brand no fat cows milk contains 6.2 g/100ml of sugar, comparable to Karicare Toddler Gold which contains 6.3 g/100ml. Other comparisons are made in the table below.

A parent group has incorrectly suggested Karicare Gold "is high in sugar." This well intentioned group, who seek to reduce childhood obesity, have inadvertently misled consumers with this incorrect claim.

Nutricia values feedback from its consumers, and is constantly monitoring its marketing to reflect community expectations. Nutricia has taken the feedback of its advertising on board, but seeks to correct the misleading claims made about Karicare Gold's sugar levels.

The key ingredients of Karicare Gold are lactose, vitamins, minerals, and omega LCPs. LCPs (Long Chain Polyunsaturated) are found in breast milk, and are important during infancy for the proper development of the eyes, the brain and the nerves.

Nutricia has been dedicated to providing the highest quality nutritional products for infants, toddlers, the sick and the elderly for over a hundred years. With this in mind, Nutricia believes breast milk is the best choice for mothers and their babies.

However, Nutricia stands by the results of clinical trials proving the benefits of its toddler formula, and regrets any inconvenience caused by the misleading claims made by others about its products.

For consumer information, please call our Baby Nutrition Advisory Service on 1800 060 057.

[chameleon]

Thanks for that Sammiesnail. I went on the net and searched all the news sites but didn't think of looking there!

[SammieSnail]

You're welcome :hugs:

[allysophia]

Nutricia has been dedicated to providing the highest quality nutritional products for infants, toddlers, the sick and the elderly for over a hundred years. With this in mind, Nutricia believes breast milk is the best choice for mothers and their babies.

However, Nutricia stands by the results of clinical trials proving the benefits of its toddler formula, and regrets any inconvenience caused by the misleading claims made by others about its products.
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On one hand "breast is best"

in the other we hear about "benefits" for "toddlers"

Marketing :devil6:

[AquaDevil78]

So they should take it off! I had DS on KK Gold from Birth formula, no problems until they chucked in pre-biotics.. at the time i thought ooo good stuff, after reading the blurb they stuck in the tin. All it said was good for digestion, helps make poo easier to poo basically.

Yeah well, my DS started getting watery runny poo once a day, thinking he had diarrhea i kept an eye on it, didn't improve. Googled runny poo on kk... find out a lot of ppl had same issue.

Called KK and they said well you are meant to wean them onto it as there guts cant handle it.. WTF? There was no mention of this on the leaflet. I like most ppl just kept going with the formula as normal.

Anyway i cracked it with them and now on Nestle NAN and guess what all is normal again.

I was wondering when i would hear something in the news. Shame on them :shame:


ETA: Forgot to type its not the sugar content its the pre biotics that are an issue.

[Ange&Seth]

On one hand "breast is best"

in the other we hear about "benefits" for "toddlers"

Marketing :devil6:

I think they are more aiming this at people who can't breastfeed. They aren't saying that you should take your bub off breast milk and put them onto their formula. They're just letting you know that, for whatever reason, should you not be able to breastfeed, then by giving bub this formula, they will still be getting the nutrients etc they need.

All formula manufacturers say this.

[meme]

then by giving bub this formula, they will still be getting the nutrients etc they need.

All formula manufacturers say this.

yes, this is exactly what formula manufacturers say.

too often they do not tell mothers about the risks of using their product.

how worrying it must be to be using this product and only now find out that the government is looking into the safety of an ingredient.

unfortunately many parents are mislead into believing that formula's are comparable to breastmilk by the way marketing information is worded.

it may be helpful to mothers who are unable to breastfeed, but it is not helpful for mothers who can breastfeed to be led to doubt that there is much difference in breastmilik vs a substitute. these mothers then become mothers who couldn't breastfeed for whatever reason.

[Shanaynay]

VERY sneaky advertising in today's paper by Karicare.
The had pictures of the birth and 6m+ formula tins with the anti-government regulation message as described above, and also "pre-biotics good for baby" printed next to the pictures. :thumbsdown:
All it was really was a full colour, full page advertisment for INFANT formula :thumbsdown:

[MeeG]

im so angry my little girl now 9 months has been on it since birth i have 3 tins sitting in my cupboard. i jut hope i can get refund

[Ange&Seth]

it may be helpful to mothers who are unable to breastfeed, but it is not helpful for mothers who can breastfeed to be led to doubt that there is much difference in breastmilik vs a substitute. these mothers then become mothers who couldn't breastfeed for whatever reason.

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Please don't take this as agro, cos that's not the way I intend it at all, but do you mean by this that it's ok to advertise like this for women who can't breastfeed, but not ok for women who can? Cos that's the way I read it............ could be wrong though

[allysophia]

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Please don't take this as agro, cos that's not the way I intend it at all, but do you mean by this that it's ok to advertise like this for women who can't breastfeed, but not ok for women who can? Cos that's the way I read it............ could be wrong though

No. Generically you SHOULDN'T advertise like this at all. Its important that mothers know (whether they can or cannot breastfeed) that formula is absoultly no substitute for breast and their babies do in fact miss out on a lot of the vital things BF babies get.

[RedPanda]

I guess what Meme is saying (correct me if I'm wrong Meme) is that formula IS the next best thing if a mother can't/doesn't want to breastfeed. However, it shouldn't be presented as an equal option to mothers who have not made up their minds yet.

[allysophia]

I guess what Meme is saying (correct me if I'm wrong Meme) is that formula IS the next best thing if a mother can't/doesn't want to breastfeed. However, it shouldn't be presented as an equal option to mothers who have not made up their minds yet.

You said it waaaay better then me, thanks Hazellew!:yes:

[meme]

No. Generically you SHOULDN'T advertise like this at all. Its important that mothers know (whether they can or cannot breastfeed) that formula is absoultly no substitute for breast and their babies do in fact miss out on a lot of the vital things BF babies get.
:yes:


guess what Meme is saying (correct me if I'm wrong Meme) is that formula IS the next best thing if a mother can't/doesn't want to breastfeed. However, it shouldn't be presented as an equal option to mothers who have not made up their minds yet.
i do see formula as an important supplement for infants that cannot get access to breastmilk. i do think that it is not the next best option though, i go with the who's recommendations ( although i forget them exactly:o ) 1 being breastmilk from the mothers breast, 2 breastmilk from someone else breast or ebm
and formula following along.

my point being i disagree with the way formula companies market their product. the wording they use leads mothers to doubt their breastmilk as formula is being presented as almost the same or good enough.
it's not good enough when it has been sold and used by many mothers and only now the ingredients are being fully investigated.:no:

[RedPanda]

Thanks for clarifying Meme:)

Sorry I got it (a bit) wrong!:hugs:

[meme]

no worries hazel:)

for anyone worried about the probiotics. these have been approved in other countries so it's not even so much that there is a problem with the ingredients, more that the manufacturers would use that ingredient without ensuring it had passed approval in this country.

again it is unethical marketing , and now that this product has to be pulled from the shelves the companies that make it, that have caused this problem for mothers by not following the marketing rules- ask mothers who have been disadvantaged by their actions to petition the government- as if it is their fault for having standards....:detective:

[prideNJoy]

AquaDevil78
So they should take it off! I had DS on KK Gold from Birth formula, no problems until they chucked in pre-biotics.. at the time i thought ooo good stuff, after reading the blurb they stuck in the tin. All it said was good for digestion, helps make poo easier to poo basically.

Yeah well, my DS started getting watery runny poo once a day, thinking he had diarrhea i kept an eye on it, didn't improve. Googled runny poo on kk... find out a lot of ppl had same issue.

Called KK and they said well you are meant to wean them onto it as there guts cant handle it.. WTF? There was no mention of this on the leaflet. I like most ppl just kept going with the formula as normal.

Anyway i cracked it with them and now on Nestle NAN and guess what all is normal again.

I was wondering when i would hear something in the news. Shame on them :shame:


ETA: Forgot to type its not the sugar content its the pre biotics that are an issue.





I had DD on Karicare Goats Milk (she had a slight allergy to cows milk so i swapped) until she was about 14 months.
Then decided i should put her on the Karicare Toddler Gold and didnt notice it straight away but i have realised that this is why she has been having runny poos on a very regular basis, i just put it down to her trying different foods.

She never had any problems before the change, Im just about out of this tin so i'll be changing to something else to see if it improves.

So thankyou for your post AquaDevil78 it's probably saved a whole lot more runny poo!!!:)

[OscarTheGrouch]

I actually like the 'new' Karicare formula. I find that J's poos smell more like a BF poo and they're certainly softer as he had problems with the previous Karicare formula. I use the toddler formula for L and find it great also, it has softened his poos amazingly, as he often wont eat fruit or fibre.

[reAllytee]

I actually like the 'new' Karicare formula. I find that J's poos smell more like a BF poo and they're certainly softer as he had problems with the previous Karicare formula. I use the toddler formula for L and find it great also, it has softened his poos amazingly, as he often wont eat fruit or fibre.

It would be a good thing for many kids in this regards.

But for us having a child who lives off fruit & then reacts to too much cows milk its a nightmare !

We couldnt understand what was going on & now we do !

I guess its a case of finding whats right for every child etc just like when they are little but i guess why some of us are cranky is that we werent told about this !