When there IS a medical need .....

[ImSethsMum]

Im some other threads Ive mentioned why our son was circumcised, for valid medical reasons, recommended by 2 different Peads of an anti-circ opinion. A condition present in most family members, know complications detected during pregnancy etc.

What I want to know is - and I sooooo DONT want to start a war/argument/attack session here ..... ..............
Is do you put parents who circ for valid medical reasons in the 'pro-circ' catagory, and do you respect their position as acting for the health of their child?

And for the record: Im NOT 'for' the routine circumcision of boys, I would have left my son intact had there not been the problems that there was, I am constantly labelled pro-circ and attacked for it, it also made it very hard to ask questions about the circ proceedure and all I got was negativity and no understanding for the fact that it had to be done - I just wanted info not a lecture.

Ok back to my question and I will try add a poll and hope it works.

Thanks
Kelly

[misskittyfantastico]

As much as I try not to classify people...I don't see circing your son for medical reasons to be the same as circing for the other reasons that are quite often mentioned ie cleanliness, looking like Dad, etc. I would circ my son ONLY for medical reasons.

[punkbaby]

If its done medically then its totally different to being done for religious/personal preferences etc

[bigglet]

I don't see why you have to keep justifying it to people. Do people ask you why when they see your son's penis?

Many people circ for their own reasons be it medical, religious or just simply being someone who prefers to get it done.

[Roxy]

IMO, circ'ing because you have received 2 medical opinions that recommended your son be done is a heck of a lot different than having him done "just because"....

No - a parent who is advised (by a Dr or pead) that the best course of action for a medical condition that is already exisiting shold not be "labelled" pro circ...unless of course they were planning on having it done anyway.

[misskittyfantastico]

I don't see why you have to keep justifying it to people. Do people ask you why when they see your son's penis?

Many people circ for their own reasons be it medical, religious or just simply being someone who prefers to get it done.

I don't know that it would be for "other people". I know that it would be important for me. My values are an integral part of who I am.

I don't want be narky in any way, but to me it really is important.

[GraceUnhearing]

choosing to follow the recommendations given to them

i would only get it done for these reasons

Df is circ but we are not getting DS done.

We'll just explain to DS why DF penis look s different to his when he gets older.

[bigglet]

I don't know that it would be for "other people". I know that it would be important for me. My values are an integral part of who I am.

I don't want be narky in any way, but to me it really is important.

Well ok then... I guess you would just have to say - I don't agree/believe in it myself but for medical reasons and under medical advice my son had to have one.

[misskittyfantastico]

Well ok then... I guess you would just have to say - I don't agree/believe in it myself but for medical reasons and under medical advice my son had to have one.

Yup! I don't have a boy but am TTC...so who knows:D

[andrewJ]

a woman with breast cancer who has had a masectomy is not "pro-masectomy"

a woman who cuts off her daughters breasts because it looks better, is.

[ImSethsMum]

Sorry I wasnt online to reply to any of the posts, but wanted to say a big thank you to you all.

The question about why I feel I have to justify our decision to anyone .... well I am the kind of person who worries what people think of me (stupid I know) but in conversations or when changing my sons nappy around friends or at a parents room, if people notice the circ and mention it etc, I get the 'looks', the "Oh .... so you got him circ'd" people dont tend to listen to your reason why, just immediatly judge you - and I guess thats my reason for the post on what peoples opinions were.

I supposed I hate that people only hear the word circumcison and dont hear the rest of the sentence "due to a medical condition", then label me a bad mother/person.

I really wanted to know what people really thought, and also to maybe make people aware that there are those of us out there who did have a medical reason for what we did and not to immedicatly judge when you here the "our son is circumcised" phrase come out of a parents mouth.

Thanks again everyone, I appreciate your comments.
Kelly

[reAllytee]

Sorry I wasnt online to reply to any of the posts, but wanted to say a big thank you to you all.

The question about why I feel I have to justify our decision to anyone .... well I am the kind of person who worries what people think of me (stupid I know) but in conversations or when changing my sons nappy around friends or at a parents room, if people notice the circ and mention it etc, I get the 'looks', the "Oh .... so you got him circ'd" people dont tend to listen to your reason why, just immediatly judge you - and I guess thats my reason for the post on what peoples opinions were.

I supposed I hate that people only hear the word circumcison and dont hear the rest of the sentence "due to a medical condition", then label me a bad mother/person.

I really wanted to know what people really thought, and also to maybe make people aware that there are those of us out there who did have a medical reason for what we did and not to immedicatly judge when you here the "our son is circumcised" phrase come out of a parents mouth.

Thanks again everyone, I appreciate your comments.
Kelly


I know exactly how you feel hun :hugs:

Thats the thing most people hear or see that you have your boy circ'ed & you get that look or have harsh things said without any need for it.

Dont worry we are great mums :hugs:

[shed]

ImSethsMum, you make perfect sense and to me you are in a completely different category.

Totally different planet.

You're a bloody good mum and your boy is lucky to have a mum like you to take care of him.

I can't speak for others but I don't believe in just lopping foreskins off babies for no reason and I'm glad they don't do it anymore. Most people these days feel the same, including you.

Stop stressing. You have done nothing 'wrong'. :hugs:

[ImSethsMum]

Thanks allyoo & shed - big hugs to you girls!

[keenansmummy]

I dont think anyone should have to justify there reasons for doing anything, everyone is entitled to their opinion whether they are for or against, so I dont think you should be attacked for doing what was right for your son.

[clgcsmum]

I say each to their own...is your child not theirs and your decision whether medical reasons or not it is not up to them to judge of even ask questions.

[drbenroth]

I dont think anyone should have to justify there reasons for doing anything


i think you'll find that even you don't really agree with that

there quite clearly is, a line to be drawn somewhere.

i draw my line at precisely where someone elses body begins. Yours is halfway up someone elses genitals (as long as they are not female)?



everyone is entitled to their opinion

there is a difference between having an opinion and cutting a child for no justifiable reason.


Existing medical situations however ARE justifiable, and im amazed that this does not go without saying. I'm sure its true that some people can jump to the wrong conclusions, but i find it very difficult to believe that any reasonable person can be opposed to medically necessary surgery, of any type. 'medically necessary' is exactly that...necessary.

[drbenroth]

I say each to their own...is your child not theirs and your decision whether medical reasons or not it is not up to them to judge of even ask questions.

surely the opinion of somebody who thinks that circumcision is justified for any (or no) reason at all is already quite obvious on the topic of medically necessary circumcisions?

[Mister Noodle]

As everyone else has said - medically necessary is a whole other ball of wax.

Andrew put it very nicely: nobody would think badly of anyone who got a mastectomy for their daughter, if it were required to save her life or to combat severe, otherwise unresolvable problems.

It's only if they wanted to do it without such necessity that you'd have a problem.

It's a pretty fair comparison - not just bodily integrity, but sexual identity as well. You don't go messing with it unless the alternatives are pretty dire. But if they are, then they are - and you do what you have to.

There's a small wrinkle, in that there's a fair few doctors that suggest circumcision rather more than necessary, as a quick solution that's socially-accepted anyway - but a second opinion or so is a pretty good filter for that.

ETA: Of course, there's also a wide latitude in the word 'necessary'. There definitely [i]are[i] those that use it as an excuse: people that have no evidence of any problem in their case, but go on anecdotal evidence of someone they heard of once, or those who refuse to investigate non-invasive solutions for any problems that do pop up. But of course, they're by no means the only medical-reasons people, or even the majority.

[kristi001]

surely the opinion of somebody who thinks that circumcision is justified for any (or no) reason at all is already quite obvious on the topic of medically necessary circumcisions?

:rolleyes:

I Actually Cant see How it was So obvious by the Statment that was Made...

I Can However seE that your Statment was quite Judgemenal and Jumped to A huge negative conclusion.

:hugs: To You ImSethsMum Dont ever doubt that You Made anything But the Right decision! Your a Great Mum and never Forget it! :yes:

[drbenroth]

:rolleyes:

I Actually Cant see How it was So obvious by the Statment that was Made...

i was simply stating that.... we already know that people who are pro circ (for any, or no reason at all i.e "whether you have a medical reasons or not"), are obviously going to be pro circ when it comes to medically necessary circumcisions.