why is the MMR so bad

[my_lot]

if the MMR was in seperate shots or done over a period of time would it not be so bad?

what made you not want that one?




i really am wanting to hear from the non vaxers on this.

things have changed since i had my last child and i was telling dp that there is no longer an 18 month shot and they now have a few new ones...(very happy about the pnumo and minigo as we had to pay big $ to have the kids vaxed with these)

we got to talking about the MMR and he said rather than have another hospital stay (we had to because dd reacted to her first round) why dont we delay it til hes older.

it was a light bulb moment! why didnt any DR suggest that to us back when we were trying to get one kid minded to take the other for an over nigt hospi stay just to get her vaxd!

its a really hard one for me as we nearly lost a child to pneumoccocal disease so ive always been a "if theyve got a shot for it then get it done" kind of mum.

so whats your ideas on this? the one we are talking about is the MMR.

[Butterflymumma]

Hey Hun,

IMHO- the MMR is the worst of the Vaccinations. I am a delayed vaxer and am currently Homeopathically immunising Lillyana, until she is older, but i might skip this one all together and just stick with the homeopathic inoculations for this one.

If your dd reacted then considering your options is a good idea. If you're worried about delaying without protection then why dont you get the homeopathic inoculations for the mumps, measles and rubella? they are non toxic (therefore little to no reaction whatsoever) and easy to administer as they are tablet form which is just disolved in water or the mouth. Over 200 years of study has gone into homeopathic remedies. and one particular man- DR. Isaac Golden has done 20 years of his own study on homeopathic immunisation and found his methods to be 90% effective. (p.s they are also very reasonable- $10 each) PM me if you would like the contact details.

If you still decided you wanted to vaccinate, then i have heard of Homeopathic remedies to counteract the toxic effects on the body. One homeopath i spoke to said a child came in with autistic symptoms shortly after recieving this vaccine and after a treatment with homeopathic remedies he went back to the way he normally was....Fluke? i dunno but interesting all the same :yes:

I really think its a parents personal choice what type of immunisation they chose to do but thats just another thought for you. :kiss:

Hope it helps.

Take Care xx

[QTB]

my ds has all the vax except the mmr

my reasons are due to the autism risks and my little brother had a sever reaction to it (hes ok though)

working with austistic children before having ds i desided i would prefer not to have the risk there.

[reAllytee]

Im a vaxxer but just wanted to say that if you have had one child that has reacted then i would be wary with my others.

I reacted as a child to my vax's which is why i was delayed on some & given half doses with others.

I was very very careful when it came to Boof being vaxxed & watched for any probs because we wouldve delayed had anything cropped up. It will be the same with this bubs.

I would have a good talk with your g.p if you trust them because if they know their stuff they will advise you properly & for me that means delaying them !

Good luck !

[stellarella]

I don't consider anything about the MMR to be particularly nasty...but here are my reasons...

The 3 illnesses it aims to prevent do not concern me greatly, so I feel the risk of vaccinating is more than the illnesses in our situation.

The vaccine is a different form to all the others, and has created the most controversy with regard to reactions.

[Josh]

Hi my_lot, can i ask you why you had to pay for the pneumococcal/meningococcal vaccine,i thought they were free, not very good making you pay , anyway i would have my kids vaccinated with the mmr regardless, especially my daughters.I hope your baby has fully recovered from pneumococcal.:hugs:

[Percy]

DS wont be getting the second dose of MMR. He had a week in hospital from it as well.:crying: We now know he is anaphylactic to egg.

My doctor had no problem with him being exempt from the second dose and will provide me with a medical exemption certificate.

I just cant put my little guy through that again.

[Toffee apple]

DS wont be getting the second dose of MMR. He had a week in hospital from it as well.:crying: We now know he is anaphylactic to egg.

My doctor had no problem with him being exempt from the second dose and will provide me with a medical exemption certificate.

I just cant put my little guy through that again.
Oh no you poor little man :crying:
I was concerned about DD when getting her MMR as she reacts to eggwhite ( rash & throwing up ) but was told there was no concern anymore with the MMR & egg allergys ,only with the flu vaccine & you don't have that until your older ( & even then if you want it)

[stellarella]

The MMR vaccine doesn't contain any egg products. (I am almost 100% sure...please correct me if I am wrong :detective: )

[Lirael]

i dont believe mmr vax has anything to do with autism. you are born with autism. its not a magic needle that causes it. obviously its around 18 months-2 years that people notice autism in kids and some have decided to blame the mmr vaccine. some people would rather blame anything rather than accept the facts.

[mysonroger]

my ds has all the vax except the mmr

my reasons are due to the autism risks and my little brother had a sever reaction to it (hes ok though)

working with austistic children before having ds i desided i would prefer not to have the risk there.


those links to autism came from the UK but i don't think they've managed to prove it yet. but there was a massive scare campaign over it.

i'm sure i've heard since that they can't prove it. but fair enough with your decision - i'd certainly understand.

[Billy]

I have had Rhianna vaxed with all up until now (12 months) as for some reason I just don't feel 'right' about the MMR vax...:no: I have no idea why. I am sort of in the same mindset as Stellarella about the illness vs vaccination in this situation.

I just feel I should trust my instincts on this one.

Rhianna turned one weeks ago and I haven't even rung up about it.

There just seems to be so many reactions to it, I don't know if it is worth it. :detective:

[QTB]

yep, im well aware they have been 'proven wrong' but i still dont want to risk it. i dont understand how a child can talk and socialise and play with all different toys too not talking, not socialising and obsessing over one toy - all after having the MMR. its too coincedental for me...

[Ffrenchknickers]

Hi My Lot....

I second what Butterfly has said above, homeopathy is amazing:yes: and maybe a good alternative for you if you are undecided?

I think the main reasons people would like to see the MMR vaccines as 3 separate ones are:

* 3 vaccines in one is huge dose of chemicals, preservatives etc etc in one go....it would be gentler on the childs system to space them out, as it would allow their body to cope with it better becaue of smaller dose etc.

* If there is a reaction, it would be extremely difficult to pinpoint which part of the vaccine caused the reaction when all 3 are given at once.

We choose not to have the MMR but I do believe it should be available as 3 separate vaccines for those who choose to have it:yes:

Jodie9, I am pretty sure that the pneumococcal vaccine did not used to be on the schedule therefore you had to pay?:detective: Correct me if I am wrong but hasnt it only been on the schedule for a couple of years?


I truly believe that there is a link between MMR and Autism....I know they havent proven it etc etc but it is proof enough for me hearing a mum tell of how their child was instantly changed the moment they had the vaccine is enough for me...I believe that as a Mum, you would know, you just would.

Even if there's not, there is enough other questionable stuff about the vaccine that helped us with our decision to decline it.


I just feel I should trust my instincts on this one. Absolutely I think we have them for a reason. Good luck making your decision:)

[Tam-I-Am]

Please keep it nice, and on-topic, ladies.

Cheers :)

[Buddha Bubbas]

I truly believe that there is a link between MMR and Autism....I know they havent proven it etc etc but it is proof enough for me hearing a mum tell of how their child was instantly changed the moment they had the vaccine is enough for me...I believe that as a Mum, you would know, you just would.


This is ONE of the reasons my kids wont be having MMR. This happened to my cousin.

[Percy]

The MMR vaccine doesn't contain any egg products. (I am almost 100% sure...please correct me if I am wrong :detective: )

It seems that alot of people get told different things. The paediatrician told us that the MMR vaccination has egg components in it and they were able to pinpoint that for his reaction.

I also have to wear an egg allergy bracelet whenever i am in hospital as apparently alot of the medications are bred in the egg whites.


Anywho, still doesnt change my opinion on the MMR. He wont be getting the second dose regardless.

[Billy]

Thank you Katie for all the information :) :hugs:

[Josh]

I agree with emevity, it was around 18mths that kids started to get autism, so everyone blames the vax, i have 9 kids and none of mine have ever had autism.:thumbsup:

[stellarella]

I agree with emevity, it was around 18mths that kids started to get autism, so everyone blames the vax, i have 9 kids and none of mine have ever had autism.:thumbsup:


Ummmm, with due respect jodie9....9 kids out of how many million....

I understand your kids are happy and healthy. You are very lucky...but forgive me for not being comforted by the fact that your 9 children have not been affected by vaccinations.

I would prefer to read studies and do research than make my decision based on the fact that your 9 children ar OK. ;)

[mysonroger]

i don't know where i sit with this issue but here is a link based on extensive studies and research that says there is no links between MMR and autism. WHO does not support any correlation between MMR and autism either.

however i am interested also in those ladies who noted the change in their child after MMR.

here's the link:

http://www.ncirs.usyd.edu.au/facts/f-mmr.html#4

[kymmy]

My first child was very healthy, my second was my 'sickly' child and is in and out of hospital and doctors appts (hubby takes him) and my last I never take to check ups - he has good health though he does have some mild eczema. I feel I can manage on my own and ignore chemicals.
I think we can make our decisions about our children on our own experiences.
My big boy has had a bad reaction from the needles at 12 months of age. I am not sure which one cos he was given several at the one time. Not saying it causes anything but it certainly triggered a response. My boy is now 4 and has what I call mild eczema. He suffered from severe eczema since 12 months.
It has been a hellish 3 years.
Which is why I have avoided the needles with bub.

[Butterflies&Hurricanes]

The 3 illnesses it aims to prevent do not concern me greatly, so I feel the risk of vaccinating is more than the illnesses in our situation.



I dont want to cause any tension here... just wanted to add my opinion here...

I know many people say that those illnessess dont concern them greatly so why vaccinate... I think our generation hasnt seen the effects of measles and mumps so we think its harmless. However, I think the reason why most people who have had measles and mumps lately dont seem all that bad is because they were vaccinated. If you do get the illness after being vaccinated, you wont get it half as bad than if you werent vaccinated.

I do believe that each parent has the right to choose what happens with their child/ren but I wish people would do more research into these things. Measles isnt just a small thing. It can kill people! Same with mumps.
Measles is a virus which causes a rash, cough, runny nose, eye irritation, and fever in most people, but can also lead to pneumonia, seizures, brain damage, and death in some cases.
Mumps virus causes fever, headache, and swollen glands, but can also lead to deafness, meningitis, swollen testicles or ovaries, and death in some cases.

If people dont like having their children have all 3 in one go, I would recommend you to seriously consider having them done seperately. (I dont believe MMR causes autism but I can understand why people dont want their kids to have it. )
The UK has had measles outbreaks where schools have had to be closed... and this is because parents are refusing to vaccinate their children.
My son will be having the vaccination - I couldnt live with myself if he didnt have it and then he got measles or mumps and something bad happended!
Thats just my opinion.

[Rainbowbrite]

PERSONALLY, I have never known anyone's child to have a permanent problem from having any vaccination, I have, however, known some that have permanent problems from NOT being immunised & them getting measles. From permament retardation to deafness. It's just not a risk myself nor my DH are willing to take.

[Butterflies&Hurricanes]

PERSONALLY, I have never known anyone's child to have a permanent problem from having any vaccination, I have, however, known some that have permanent problems from NOT being immunised & them getting measles. From permament retardation to deafness. It's just not a risk myself nor my DH are willing to take.
:yes:

[KaM]

PERSONALLY, I have never known anyone's child to have a permanent problem from having any vaccination, I have, however, known some that have permanent problems from NOT being immunised & them getting measles. From permament retardation to deafness. It's just not a risk myself nor my DH are willing to take.

:thumbsup: :yes:

My thoughts exactly. .it never crossed my mind not to ever give Matilda a vaccination that is listed on the schedule for children. Id rather a fever and some grizzling then some of the effects the actual diseases in full on form can cause. .

[my_lot]

to who ever asked about the pneumococcal disease vax.

this is the disease my dd1 (my first child) had 8.5 years ago. she was not vaxd for it. i was pregnant with no.2 and nearly lost that preg due to the stress.

she was 19 months old.

she had had a fit right after her first needles at two months. it was said we could "be excluded" from future shots BUT that was said with **inserts scare tactics***

anyway we did get her vaxed for all her routine shots, in hospital with an over night stay for every one of them after that.

and this was back in the day when they had 2,4,6,18 months. there was no pnuemo, meningo or chicken pox
i had to pay for the other two kids to have the pneumococcal when it came out ($500) and then meningo.

in the years of recovery after this disease we met with many people who had had it or lost someone to it. and we met many people through a monther who lost her child to meningococcal disease one night when we were in hospi getting treatment for dds ongoing mediacal problems,. we were at the launch of the 2nd video made on minigo aimed at teenagers and i still hand out info and loan educational videos on meningo to Drs, pre-schools ect.

my dd is now 10 and has not needed steriods for the last 2 years. she no longer sees a specialist for the medical problems having this disease left her with.

she knows shes a lucky one. she has met a man who was left with his head and torso after this very disease took over his body.

my second dd reacted to the MMR and ended up in hospital. she was left with such swelling in the legs after the 18 month shots that she couldnt walk! (we were in hospital)

my third had it (mmr) too and also a reaction but wasnt as bad.

my three all had their chicken pox done last year and i thought wed see this one out at the DRs. they had dd in the treatment room for an hour. they were checking her pulse and heart the whole time. she had her shirt off to look for first signs of rash and was on a bed with a temp stick under her arm til we were able to go. it avoided being in hospital but still a nerve racking time for me!

youd think we would have just given up, wouldnt you!

but here we are again about to go down the same road with no.4. and while i want him protected (who doesnt) i am worried about this MMR.

thankyou to all the great replies.

i will PM you butterfly mumma and we will be asking the DR anout getting it done one shot at a time and asking about delaying.

[tweedledee*tweedledum]

I am in 2 minds about the MMR myself actually. Both of my twins have been vaxed and never had any reaction, however as someone else said, the MMR for some reason doesn't sit well with me and I am guessing that it is because of the controversy that surrounds it. I am not buying into the Autism debate, however it does concern me that 3 huge vaccines are lumped into 1 little body and I guess that is where I am hestitant, because I can see where it may play havoc with them. I am wondering if there is concern because they are put together. Seperately, would there be any issue? Would there be the same reactions?

[Butterflymumma]

[quote=mysonroger;1505967
supported by extensive research, that states there is no link between autism and MMR. how do you find out if your children are predisposed to autism - i thought that that was the great mystery of autism - that they no so little about it and why its on the rise. i'd be really interested in this area if someone can help me.[/quote]

I agree with you on this last comment hun, there is so little known about Autism.

but my fear is when they know so little about it, how can they do extensive research to prove its not linked with MMR? wouldnt they need to understand the condition fully before they can begin an real studies? im not sure that is just a thought

The one piece of advice that ive learnt is to trust your own instincts. Pro-vaxers- what if the non vaxer you disagree with is the one person in a million who's child will get seriously ill from a reaction to a vaccination and she will aviod that by following that gut instinct that says 'beware" and visa versa what if the pro-vaxer would be one of those people who's child would have contracted a disease had they not vax'ed and so they avoid that by following their instinct that says 'Go ahead'....Just a thought ;)

[FourAngelKisses]

Did anyone see the thing on the news a few months back saying that it was found a lot of autistic kids didn't respond to their names by the time they were 12mths old or something?? I found it very interesting.



As for the link....codswallop to me! They say it just appears that way because that is when the symptoms start to appear.....around the same age when they have the immunisation.

[my_lot]

i had major "discussions" here when i first joined- i just could not get my head around not vaxing at all if there wasnt a medical reason.

but this was based on my own childrens reactions and the idea that it was "what was best" drummed into you like the whole "breast is best" line.

i remember talking to dp back then about all the bubhub nonvaxers and delayers and just shaking my head with him....it was just crazy to us- we nearly lost dd to a disease that other people can protect their child against and they dont want to? and why on earth not?

but now i have spent a fair bit of time here in these threads i can see the points on all of it.. from both sides.. its very hard for me with the fact that we have gone through such a horrific time with the pneumococcal (and i will get my bub vaxd for it) so in once way i see the good in them and in another they scare the cR@p out of me!

for each and everyone of my children i have been scared with every shot theyve had.

if it wasnt for what ive read in the last 12 months on here i wouldnt even know there was the option of homeopathic inoculations or delaying.. nothing at all about this was said to us by any DR or paed in hospi.

[mysonroger]

This is ONE of the reasons my kids wont be having MMR. This happened to my cousin.

ummm....looks like i missed a bit of action.

but, anyway, this is the sort of thing i would love to learn more about. so if buddha bubba comes back, can you please share the story.

i was TTC last year, and i found out in the middle of it all i needed to update my immunisations, so i had the MMR and chicken pox vacc and was told to hold off on TTC for two months. ... but that was mainly to do with the chicken pox vacc. since then my af have changed from a very regular 26 day cycle to anything from 23 -64 days. when i finally did concieve , i ended up losing the baby at 16 weeks due to a couple of complications. sometimes i wonder if it was to do with the MMR, but there's no way of proving it. and anyway, changes in your cycle do happen , so it may have happened that way regardless.

plus, i hate to think what may have happened if i hadn't got the vaccs and i did fall pregnant, expecially seen as there have been a few outbreaks of chicken pox at my children's daycare centre.

its hard to know what to think.

[Ffrenchknickers]

PERSONALLY, I have never known anyone's child to have a permanent problem from having any vaccination, I have, however, known some that have permanent problems from NOT being immunised & them getting measles. From permament retardation to deafness. It's just not a risk myself nor my DH are willing to take.

...and that's why, with every decision we make, personal experience is going to play a part :yes: I am the opposite, I have never known anyone to be seriously affected by these diseases BUT I HAVE known people who have been affected by vaccines:yes:

I dont buy the whole "12-18 months is when they first diagnose Autism" thing :nope: not at all....It just seems like a convinient thing to say when they dont know what else to say. I still firmly believe personal testimonies of mums and dads over what we hear in the media.

[mysonroger]

...and that's why, with every decision we make, personal experience is going to play a part :yes: I am the opposite, I have never known anyone to be seriously affected by these diseases BUT I HAVE known people who have been affected by vaccines:yes:

I dont buy the whole "12-18 months is when they first diagnose Autism" thing :nope: not at all....It just seems like a convinient thing to say when they dont know what else to say. I still firmly believe personal testimonies of mums and dads over what we hear in the media.


oh cool, can you tell me about the personal testimonials - do you know any stories first hand. would love to hear.

[daytime-tv-addict]

...and that's why, with every decision we make, personal experience is going to play a part :yes: I am the opposite, I have never known anyone to be seriously affected by these diseases BUT I HAVE known people who have been affected by vaccines:yes:

I dont buy the whole "12-18 months is when they first diagnose Autism" thing :nope: not at all....It just seems like a convinient thing to say when they dont know what else to say. I still firmly believe personal testimonies of mums and dads over what we hear in the media.

Autism can be diagnosed earlier or later than 12-18 months, however 12-18 months is generally when the symptoms of Autism appear more obvious, as it is when you start to really notice a toddler's development. I agree that listening to personal experiences can be more helpful and sometimes more accurate than the media, but it is good to look at all medium when it comes to any diseases in my opinion.

[Ffrenchknickers]

but it is good to look at all medium when it comes to any diseases in my opinion.

:yes: absolutetootely!


Myson.....I will be back......:)

[my_lot]

mysonroger- there was a show on it. 60 minutes i think (anyone know) and it showed a few parents who said they saw the changes after the MMR

is there anyone on BH that has had these three shots done one at a time over time?

[mysonroger]

(ie Formaldehyde. I mean we use this stuff to set and preserve our dead greyhounds for University classes). Makes me want to barf :barf:

.

formaldehyde is used in dyes for clothing manufactured in china, and guess where most of our clothes come from?

[stellarella]

formaldehyde is used in dyes for clothing manufactured in china, and guess where most of our clothes come from?

Well most of mine or my sons don't come from China. But I agree most Australians clothes in general come from China.

But don't you think there is a difference between wearing something that used formaldehyde in the process of manufacture and injecting it directly into the bloodstream or muscle??

[mysonroger]

But don't you think there is a difference between wearing something that used formaldehyde in the process of manufacture and injecting it directly into the bloodstream or muscle??

formeldahyde is a carcinogen that is absorbed through the skin.

[mysonroger]

OMG - what a coincidence. there was a story on the news tonight talking of the dangers of formaldehyde in textiles from china. what a freaking coincidence .......

[shed]

We won't be getting the MMR. I don't want my son to become autistic

:wizard:

[my_lot]

shed- what do you do for measles and mumps protection. ive read you posts on rubella and my DR told me the same thing about having had it and b/feeding...but not so with the other two?

[mysonroger]

Are you serious??? FREAKKKKKKYYYYY hehe
Must be a sign :p

freakin freaky man.......

[shed]

shed- what do you do for measles and mumps protection. ive read you posts on rubella and my DR told me the same thing about having had it and b/feeding...but not so with the other two?

Now that he is coming up to the age where the vaccination is due I am starting to think about what we are going to do.

I am going to look into some homeopathic options. Mostly so I have something to say to people (MIL etc) when they ask me about it

When I was a kid, lots of kids got the measles, the mumps and the chickenpox. They were the childhood diseases of the time and I don't remember so much fear surrounding them, it was just something that happened.

My own mother had a bit of trouble recalling when I had the measles, she remembered me having the chickenpox quite clearly and I have never had the mumps.

Of all of them I find the measles quite daunting, although if mum could only vaguely recall it it can't have been that traumatic in our case, and apparently all three of us had it.

I have always said that if there was a separate vax for measles I would consider him getting it - not at 12 months though, thats way too young - but at maybe 2.5 years or something.

On a side note: I find it absolutely baffling about the casual attitude that some parents take towards side effects of the vaccination. Just the other day we were around at friends and they were saying how their daughter had projectile vomitted. Then the mother said "but it was because she had just had her needles" and everyone sort of nodded and made "oh right" sort of noises as though it was perfectly acceptable. Then someone else was discussing their childs high pitched screams after vaccination. This was all just casually accepted.

I sat there saying nothing but my eyes were probably like this :eek:

Wow. All these rashes and vomitting and high pitched screams etc are just being accepted as being normal, eek. That can't be right can it?

And I just remembered another thing: My SIL said that the MMR is allright because she only knows one kid who changed.

.....oh.

[Josh]

Now that he is coming up to the age where the vaccination is due I am starting to think about what we are going to do.

I am going to look into some homeopathic options. Mostly so I have something to say to people (MIL etc) when they ask me about it

When I was a kid, lots of kids got the measles, the mumps and the chickenpox. They were the childhood diseases of the time and I don't remember so much fear surrounding them, it was just something that happened.

My own mother had a bit of trouble recalling when I had the measles, she remembered me having the chickenpox quite clearly and I have never had the mumps.

Of all of them I find the measles quite daunting, although if mum could only vaguely recall it it can't have been that traumatic in our case, and apparently all three of us had it.

I have always said that if there was a separate vax for measles I would consider him getting it - not at 12 months though, thats way too young - but at maybe 2.5 years or something.

On a side note: I find it absolutely baffling about the casual attitude that some parents take towards side effects of the vaccination. Just the other day we were around at friends and they were saying how their daughter had projectile vomitted. Then the mother said "but it was because she had just had her needles" and everyone sort of nodded and made "oh right" sort of noises as though it was perfectly acceptable. Then someone else was discussing their childs high pitched screams after vaccination. This was all just casually accepted.

I sat there saying nothing but my eyes were probably like this :eek:

Wow. All these rashes and vomitting and high pitched screams etc are just being accepted as being normal, eek. That can't be right can it?

And I just remembered another thing: My SIL said that the MMR is allright because she only knows one kid who changed.

.....oh.


I am the same age as you shed, and i had measles, chicken pox when i was a kid , but can't remember how sick i was because it was so long, ago but i can remember when my kids have had chicken pox and german measles, because they both got really bad cases of it, and thats just it some of us might go through life and not get 1 single illness and then there are others who seem to get everything that is going around, I always assumed that only girls got rubella and only boys got mumps correct me if i'm wrong.

[my_lot]

i just asked my DR if he would do the MMR as three shots over a time frame and he said he didnt know if they could. he told me to ask the nurse.

she said no and to ask immunise info line.

so i rang and they said no. its in the same shot and thats how its done.

i told them that all three of my kids before this have had a reaction to the MMR and ive decided not to put another child through it.


he said "well just dont get it done" and "it wont effect your childcare benifit at all"


i asked if there was anyway to get the vaxs so the DR could do them one at a time- he said he didnt know.

[mysonroger]

, I always assumed that only girls got rubella and only boys got mumps correct me if i'm wrong.

hi jodie :wave:

i think girls get mumps too...i'm pretty sure.

[daytime-tv-addict]

We won't be getting the MMR. I don't want my son to become autistic

:wizard:

No offense, but your son could be Autistic regardless of whether or not you decide to vax. I'm not having a go at your choice, just pointing out that not having the MMR does not reduce the chances necessarily.

[elissas]

i just asked my DR if he would do the MMR as three shots over a time frame and he said he didnt know if they could. he told me to ask the nurse.

she said no and to ask immunise info line.

so i rang and they said no. its in the same shot and thats how its done.

i told them that all three of my kids before this have had a reaction to the MMR and ive decided not to put another child through it.


he said "well just dont get it done" and "it wont effect your childcare benifit at all"


i asked if there was anyway to get the vaxs so the DR could do them one at a time- he said he didnt know.


Apparently it can't be done, the drug companies produce them this way and they aren't available separately. I looked into it a few months back and spent 2 weeks trying to find out.

[Ffrenchknickers]

I always assumed that only girls got rubella and only boys got mumps correct me if i'm wrong.

:no: This is not the case..both can get both.

[prideNJoy]

Girls definately get the mumps, I also had Rubella as a child, it was so mild that it was barely detectible, yet i seem to have high immunity regardless (had bloodtest to confrim).

[Pippi Longstocking]

I always assumed that only girls got rubella and only boys got mumps correct me if i'm wrong.

Girls definitely get mumps, unless I've been misled and I'm actually a boy?! :detective: :p
I had mumps when I was around 7.

[shed]

Yes, boys and girls get both,

I think the confusion might stem from the fact that it is usually girls who get vaccinated against rubella because it can damage an unborn foetus, and since only girls get pregnant, only girls get vaxed.

Mumps can make a male sterile, so maybe thats why is more of an issue for boys. It doesn't always make them sterile of course, but thats the way its portrayed in the scare tactics.

[bindiloo]

Ive seen for myself the changes in the children round my area after having their MMR'S and i think its sad,real real sad. Such normal little children interacting,communicating and really showing interest in life and going to unsociable,backward,withdrawn,uncontrollable little children.
It saddens me to see so many children these days with all these problems that wasnt heard of or barely exsisted in the past but now plagues us in just about every second family.

I have to question why are our children all getting these unstable conditions that are more widespread and dangerous than any measles or chickenpox that disseapears after at least a week yet these parents have to live with their aspergers,autistic,adhd or another lifelong problem child for the rest of their lives.
I wonder why no-body questions this,why its exceptable to sit around a table and discuss these horrible conditions all these kids are getting like its natural and normal and the reactions they get from vaccines is normal and ok.
It is far from ok for me to have my daughter screamig non stop 20 hrs a day or getting a swollen red rash all over or gee even stop breathing god forbid. I just simply cannot see how this is so acceptable in our society.
People seem to think these things are normal and therefore dont see it as a problem so therefore it isnt questioned. Thus the wheel keeps turning and the problems are getting worst and not enough people are recognising the connections imo.

[mysonroger]

Ive seen for myself the changes in the children round my area after having their MMR'S and i think its sad,real real sad. Such normal little children interacting,communicating and really showing interest in life and going to unsociable,backward,withdrawn,uncontrollable little children.
It saddens me to see so many children these days with all these problems that wasnt heard of or barely exsisted in the past but now plagues us in just about every second family.

For example my sister took her son to his swimming class the other day where their is basically around 5 children in the class and among this 5 there were 2 with aspergers,1 with autism and an ADHD child.
I have to question why are our children all getting these unstable conditions that are more widespread and dangerous than any measles or chickenpox that disseapears after at least a week yet these parents have to live with their aspergers,autistic,adhd or another lifelong problem child for the rest of their lives.
I wonder why no-body questions this,why its exceptable to sit around a table and discuss these horrible conditions all these kids are getting like its natural and normal and the reactions they get from vaccines is normal and ok.
It is far from ok for me to have my daughter screamig non stop 20 hrs a day or getting a swollen red rash all over or gee even stop breathing god forbid. I just simply cannot see how this is so exceptable in our society.
People seem to think these things are normal and therefore dont see it as a problem so therefore it isnt questioned. Thus the wheel keeps turning and the problems are getting worst and not enough people are recognising the connections imo.

wow , that's amazing. forgive me if i'm getting the wrong end of it, but why do you think its happening in your area? where do you live. i'm really interested in your story.

this is the sort of story that scares me.....

[bindiloo]

I have friends and asociates with all these problems thru-out all of sydney its not just in one area but im talking of the southern highlands.
Theres teachers who have even said that some of the classes would have 5 normal children out of a class of over 25. They even dont make the connection,they just say 'gee i just dont understand why all these kids are like this these days its really sad,so many kids with so many problems'.

[kymmy]

I will just say I would never risk that happening that happen on my bub or future children.
Hubby and I were looking at photos and we both cry about it. Not something you would want to wish on anyone.

[Josh]

I have friends and asociates with all these problems thru-out all of sydney its not just in one area but im talking of the southern highlands.
Theres teachers who have even said that some of the classes would have 5 normal children out of a class of over 25. They even dont make the connection,they just say 'gee i just dont understand why all these kids are like this these days its really sad,so many kids with so many problems'.

I am curious about this too, this cant be good, there might be another underlying problem in the area, i have five kids who are currently at primary/high school, and i dont personally know of anyone with these problems, maybe it's a lifestyle thing. Anyway i hope someone finds out whats wrong.

jodie+family.:)

[Angelmist♥]

Theres teachers who have even said that some of the classes would have 5 normal children out of a class of over 25.

Hmm so that's soley because of MMR? Sorry but I would have to think that 20 out of 25 is pushing it a bit........

Speaking of that though, I have seen many many happy, spirited children diagnosed with ADHD. There are genuine cases out there but honestly I think some parents/teachers/doctors put the child in a 'too hard basket' and decide drugging them is the way to go.

IMO it works both ways.Non-vaxxers don't want to take the risk with side-effects of the drugs and Vaxxers don't want to risk the side-effects of the illness.

[bindiloo]

Its not the area like i said its all over sydney i know of plenty around the hills district and blacktown even the blue mountains.
Like i said before no-one wants to face it just blame everything but the underlining problem.
Its like saying ive never heard that saying so it musnt exist, well that seems to be most peoples reaction to others who say theyve seen the facts for themselves,theyve seen the effected children and others treat it like well ive never seen it so it musnt be true.

You dont need to see something for it to exist and be a problem. It doesnt mean it isnt around you effecting your neighbour down the road or that poor fella working at the local bakery who has a child with problems. There are thousands of children and families everywhere around all of us who are having to deal with these real very sad issues every minute of their lives and for the majority of them they are questioning "why me,why us" and they are starting to research and find things that dont add up or they dont like. This problem is bigger than just it must be your area im afraid. It isnt in the water its in the needle.

[Ffrenchknickers]

IMO it works both ways.Non-vaxxers don't want to take the risk with side-effects of the drugs and Vaxxers don't want to risk the side-effects of the illness

Absolutely....and it's just working out which one sits better with each indivdual family:yes:

[BlueGin]

Absolutely....and it's just working out which one sits better with each indivdual family:yes:

:thumbsup:

My personal experiences include a lot of kids with disabilities ranging from deafness to severe brain damage from these diseases, and other diseases covered in the vaccination schedule. SO I tend to look at that side of it more, as I see the effects in front of me.

We all do the best we can for our kids, 'best' just happens to come in lots of shapes and forms.

[Angelmist♥]

Absolutely....and it's just working out which one sits better with each indivdual family:yes:

:yelclap:Exactly what I was getting at!

[my_lot]

bluegin- yes...but....have you ever heard of a non vaxers child getting one of these diseases?

[Harlequin]

bluegin- yes...but....have you ever heard of a non vaxers child getting one of these diseases?

Isn't that what bluegin was talking about? :confused:

[me270880]

i've always been for vacc's, however my dd got her MMR done 3mths ago and guess what she got diagonosed with yesterday MEASLES! makes you wonder why bother? yes she has a slight dose, but who is to say she would have gotten a worse dose if she hadn't been vacc? i was a bit uncertain myself so i took her to a different doc today and had it confirmed.

[bpato]

i have heard of Homeopathic remedies to counteract the toxic effects on the body. One homeopath i spoke to said a child came in with autistic symptoms shortly after recieving this vaccine and after a treatment with homeopathic remedies he went back to the way he normally was....

I am sorry but having worked with children with ASD (Autsim Spectrum Disorder) for the past 8 years, and the fact that there is no cure so to speak, I find it very hard to believe that homeopathic remidies helped this child you speak of go back to "normal".

There used to be, and I say used to be, a lot of spectulation around that MMR vaccine and a direct link with ASD, however research now suggest that there is no link to ASD and the MMR vaccine, and that the vaccine itself is quite safe. The speculation used to be that the vaccine caused the ASD in children, however it is around the age of 18 months 2 years that a parents usually starts to notice the onset/or the characteristics of Autism in their child.

Belinda

[Lirael]

We won't be getting the MMR. I don't want my son to become autistic

:wizard:

I didnt want my son to be autistic either :rolleyes: but it happens, its NOT a vaccine that makes it happen.

im really diappointed in this thread so I shall be leaving before i say things i get in trouble for. open your minds people.

[zenifa]

For those that read the research (ie the scientific articles, peer reviewed and published in journals) will know that there is no provable causal link between the MMR and autism.
No one wishes for their child to have autism and avoiding this vaccine is no way of guaranteeing your child will not have it.

Me270880 - having a vaccine is never going 100% protect your child from disease, but as your child has measles, she will have a lesser dose and may avoid complications that could of occured if she wasn't vaccinated.

For those interested in reading more about the research into MMR and autism, MMR: Science and Fiction - Exploring a Vaccine Crisis (Paperback)
by Richard Horton (Author) - definately worth a read!!

[bindiloo]

Why dont we all just agree to disagree because we will always butt heads and think each one knows better than the other.
Time will tell.:detective:

[bindiloo]

And just for the record its not in my belief that vaccines are the cause of all autistic children in this country but i do believe it is a major contributer to most autistic cases where the child seems to be developing at a normal rate then suddenly without any explanation goes backwards and becomes autistic which seems to be happening at an alarming rate.
My nephew is autistic and it was caused by the birth not the vaccine but we believe he may not have been as bad had he not recieved vaccinations when his little immune system was so low and his little body couldnt take it.
I dont believe all childrens bodies can take these vaccinations which is why it effects some and not others just like how some people get colds all the time and others dont. Some babies are born smaller than others or have more traumatic births and their immune systems just dont seem to take to being jabbed the minute their born then again and again and again. They might be just getting better and their bodies just getting over what they've been injected with and then bang they're hit again with more chemicals straight into their blood stream and some little tykes bodies simply just cant handle it.
We will always dissagree whether its more a risk to jab or let nature build our immunities.
As time goes by we will get answers because basically our children have been the governments guinea pigs for all these injections and the fact remains they dont know what long term effects they may cause or what the outcome will be. When they did their tests on adults and older children,not babies mind you,they didnt test the vaccine on sick children or babies so a child or baby with a low immune system to begin with who has a vaccination shot cant be guaranteed that there wont be side effects because it was never actually tested on a sick child to begin with.
So then isnt it wrong when your childs not well and has a cold or your baby has a very traumatic birth that they allow them to be vaccinated because the outcome is like playing russian roulette. Imo that is where the system and doctors are failing everyone by not following proper procedure and guidlines when it comes to being honest with society.:shame:

[Billy]

And just for the record its not in my belief that vaccines are the cause of all autistic children in this country but i do believe it is a major contributer to most autistic cases where the child seems to be developing at a normal rate then suddenly without any explanation goes backwards and becomes autistic which seems to be happening at an alarming rate.
My nephew is autistic and it was caused by the birth not the vaccine but we believe he may not have been as bad had he not recieved vaccinations when his little immune system was so low and his little body couldnt take it.
A doctor actually said it could kill him to have his vaccinations as he could tell he wasnt a well child but the other doctors said 'no do it he needs them', and as naive as she was she did it. And now deeply regrets it but looks at it as a learning path in life that she most certainly never went down again.
I dont believe all childrens bodies can take these vaccinations which is why it effects some and not others just like how some people get colds all the time and others dont. Some babies are born smaller than others or have more traumatic births and their immune systems just dont seem to take to being jabbed the minute their born then again and again and again. They might be just getting better and their bodies just getting over what they've been injected with and then bang they're hit again with more chemicals straight into their blood stream and some little tykes bodies simply just cant handle it.
We will always dissagree whether its more a risk to jab or let nature build our immunities.
As time goes by we will get answers because basically our children have been the governments guinea pigs for all these injections and the fact remains they dont know what long term effects they may cause or what the outcome will be. When they did their tests on adults and older children,not babies mind you,they didnt test the vaccine on sick children or babies so a child or baby with a low immune system to begin with who has a vaccination shot cant be guaranteed that there wont be side effects because it was never actually tested on a sick child to begin with.
So then isnt it wrong when your childs not well and has a cold or your baby has a very traumatic birth that they allow them to be vaccinated because the outcome is like playing russian roulette. Imo that is where the system and doctors are failing everyone by not following proper procedure and guidlines when it comes to being honest with society.:shame:


I think everything you have said here makes a lot of sense. :yelclap: Well put. :thumbsup:

[daytime-tv-addict]

So then isnt it wrong when your childs not well and has a cold or your baby has a very traumatic birth that they allow them to be vaccinated because the outcome is like playing russian roulette. Imo that is where the system and doctors are failing everyone by not following proper procedure and guidlines when it comes to being honest with society.:shame:

In my experience, doctors have always told me that if the child is sick they will not give them the injections until they are 100% recovered.

[Duchessa]

Bindiloo, what you say is very true - about doctors not respecting the contraindication advice given by vaccine manufacturers and vaccinating indescriminately. Most childhood vaccines are contraindicated in the presence of eczema or atopic allergies. I can guarantee you that most children with eczema are given their vaxes regardless. It was lucky that I did my research before taking my severely affected children to our doctor (who prides himself on his greater than 95% compliance) - he had NO IDEA! Some vaxes on the schedule are also contraindicated in the presence of life threatening food allergies - which my children have to dairy - he even treated them, so he was fully aware of that fact. Not only was he insistent that they be vaccinated, when I refused and explained that important point, he harangued me, following me out into the waiting room with his parting comment being "Well I hope you like spending time at the Royal Children's Hospital, because that is where these kids will be spending most of their childhood".

Not only was this man acting recklessly and counter to his Hypocratic Oath, but he was an insulting bloody *ickhead and an oaf. Only the ignorant need resort to such scaremongering.

[bindiloo]

In my experience, doctors have always told me that if the child is sick they will not give them the injections until they are 100% recovered.

Unfortunately this isnt the case with all doctors, most of them just encourage that it should be and needs to be done.
I have a friend whose husband fell very ill with phnemonea(excuse the spelling if its wrong) after having his flu shot and the dopey doctor and nurse said he should definetely have another flu shot as soon as he's feeling a little better because its probably not taken effect. WHAT THE?

And ive known many people who have spoken of how they were concerned of how their child was ill but was due for their shots and yet the doctor insisted it was safe.

[daytime-tv-addict]

Bindiloo, what you say is very true - about doctors not respecting the contraindication advice given by vaccine manufacturers and vaccinating indescriminately. Most childhood vaccines are contraindicated in the presence of eczema or atopic allergies. I can guarantee you that most children with eczema are given their vaxes regardless. It was lucky that I did my research before taking my severely affected children to our doctor (who prides himself on his greater than 95% compliance) - he had NO IDEA! Some vaxes on the schedule are also contraindicated in the presence of life threatening food allergies - which my children have to dairy - he even treated them, so he was fully aware of that fact. Not only was he insistent that they be vaccinated, when I refused and explained that important point, he harangued me, following me out into the waiting room with his parting comment being "Well I hope you like spending time at the Royal Children's Hospital, because that is where these kids will be spending most of their childhood".

Not only was this man acting recklessly and counter to his Hypocratic Oath, but he was an insulting bloody *ickhead and an oaf. Only the ignorant need resort to such scaremongering.

That's terrible that you experienced that. I guess I have been lucky with my GP's because I have never been forced one way or the other when it comes to vaccinations.

[Duchessa]

It is terrible isn't it? I was pretty upset, but my dh talked me out of reporting him as he was the only doctor for a 100km radius at the time and he felt it would be detrimental to our rural community, which has a lot of trouble attracting doctors. Unfortunately I stupidly saw him a few more times after that and the comments kept flowing. Ho hum. I eventually changed doctors but it was no fun driving 100kms each way to see a new doctor with two little babies. Doctors can be woefully ignorant of the medicines they prescribe regularly.

[Josh]

Bindiloo, what you say is very true - about doctors not respecting the contraindication advice given by vaccine manufacturers and vaccinating indescriminately. Most childhood vaccines are contraindicated in the presence of eczema or atopic allergies. I can guarantee you that most children with eczema are given their vaxes regardless. It was lucky that I did my research before taking my severely affected children to our doctor (who prides himself on his greater than 95% compliance) - he had NO IDEA! Some vaxes on the schedule are also contraindicated in the presence of life threatening food allergies - which my children have to dairy - he even treated them, so he was fully aware of that fact. Not only was he insistent that they be vaccinated, when I refused and explained that important point, he harangued me, following me out into the waiting room with his parting comment being "Well I hope you like spending time at the Royal Children's Hospital, because that is where these kids will be spending most of their childhood".

Not only was this man acting recklessly and counter to his Hypocratic Oath, but he was an insulting bloody *ickhead and an oaf. Only the ignorant need resort to such scaremongering.


My son has eczema really bad, he basically has sores everywhere from scratching, and both myself and doc decided not to give him his chicken pox vax until his sores were healing, but he eventually got the vax after a month or so, but i have a good doc she is very good with small kids, and she wont give them there vax until they are 100%, most doctors should be like that.
:wave:

[missie_mack]

The MMR vaccine doesn't contain any egg products. (I am almost 100% sure...please correct me if I am wrong :detective: )

Just wanted to respond to this one.
Both the Measles and Mumps propogation medium is chick embryo cells culture and may contain traces of egg protein. The drug database does advise against those who have major issues with egg against immunising with Priorix or MMR as it is commonly known.