Pro's and Con's Vaccination

[Oscar's mum]

I know alot of ppl here have some really good links about why or why not you should/n't vaccinate. Alot of sections on Bub Hub have some great sticky's for ppl to read regarding hot topics in the sections yet the immunisation thread dosn't.

Anyone care to share their info and research so we can have a thread that is convenient for people to easily find info about vaccination on?

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Oh, I didnt even see this thread OM:)

I would love to share, but, ohhhh, it is soooo late, I am tired....

Just bumping this up in case there is anyone up this late who's feeling keen LOL!

[the_queen]

Reporting of vaccine reactions in Australia
http://tga.gov.au/adr/bluecard.htm

online reporting for Australia
https://www.tgasime.health.gov.au/SIME/ADRS/ADRSRepo.nsf?OpenDatabase


disease stats


Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/

Report of the New South Wales Chief Health Officer
http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/public-health/chorep/toc/choindex.htm

Vaccine preventable diseases and vaccination average in Australia, 1999 to 2000
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/wcms/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-pubs-cdi-2002-cdi26suppl-vpd99_00.htm/$FILE/vpd99_00.pdf

Childhood Immunisation Coverage
http://www.ncirs.usyd.edu.au/research/r-acir-3rdquart.html

links straight to Aus. disease stats by year or disease - search
http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/Source/CDA-index.cfm

Australian health stat links
http://www.adelaide.edu.au/library/guide/med/pubhealth/pubstat.html#Australia

Communicable Diseases Australia
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/wcms/Publishing.nsf/Content/Communicable+Diseases+Australia-1

Asthma stats - Australia
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/94713ad445ff1425ca25682000192af2/b936ae5cb3c16cf1ca256b35001586d7!OpenDocument

WHO
http://www-nt.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileselect.cfm

Disease Incidence Statistics
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/stats.html

Eurosurveillance - communicable disease surveillance
http://www.eurosurveillance.org/releases/index-02.asp

Vaccine Preventable Diseases and Vaccination Coverage in Australia, 2001 to 2002 - Vaccine preventable diseases (results) (Communicable Diseases Intelligence Vol 28 Suppl 2)
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/wcms/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-cdi28suppl2c.htm#rubella

Immunization, Vaccines and Biologicals -WHO
http://www.who.int/immunization/en/

vaccine package inserts

List of Australian vaccines - costs - type of vaccine
http://www.vaccinations.com.au/List_of_Vaccine_Jan2006.pdf

MMR
http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/consumers/cmi/m/MMRII.htm

chickenpox
http://www.gsk.com.au/gskinternet/publishing.nsf/4a0f132842ea4d354a25685d0011fa04/968ba456ae85f479ca256bf20017ffac/$FILE/Varilrix.pdf

MMR
http://www.gsk.com.au/gskinternet/publishing.nsf/4a0f132842ea4d354a25685d0011fa04/909365eb372ac02fca256bf2001778ba/$FILE/Priorix.pdf


HEP B
http://www.gsk.com.au/gskinternet/publishing.nsf/4a0f132842ea4d354a25685d0011fa04/259f6a92afcfca47ca256bf200168081/$FILE/Engerix.pdf

Haemophilus b conjugate and Hepatitis B Vaccine
http://www.csl.com.au/files/1/Comvax_AU_CMI_csccomva10802.pdf

National Prescribing Service - various vaccine/drug list and ingredients.
http://www.google.com/u/NationalPrescribingService?q=vaccines&sa=Go&domains=nps.org.au&sitesearch=nps.org.au


General info sites - against

Assessing increased risk for individual unvaccinated child
http://homepage.mac.com/doctormark/html_docs/Vax_risk.html

Vaccination Liberation
http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm

Vaccination debate - graphs etc
http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/

General info sites - in the middle


Religious and Ethical Concerns about Vaccination
http://www.immunize.org/concerns/religious.htm


General info sites - for
Immunisation – protecting our children from disease
http://www.science.org.au/nova/012/012print.htm


interesting articles

Thousands of babies have strokes annually
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10347101/

Children who have received no vaccines: who are they and where do they live?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15231927&query_hl=2


U.S. Drops In Rank Of Industrialized Nations For Infant Mortality, Life Expectancy
http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/448d6.htm

Hib infection on the rise in children despite vaccination programme
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=4852

Exposure to common infections in early infancy is good and helps "prime" the immune system.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4471957.stm


Heavy price to pay for the spin on vaccinations
http://news.scotsman.com/opinion.cfm?id=418472005


VACCINATIONS NEWS AND ARTICLES
http://www.wnho.net/vaccinationnews.htm

more General Info

Australian Adverse Drug Reactions Bulletin
http://www.tga.gov.au/adr/aadrb.htm

What do rubella antibody tests mean?
http://www.usyd.edu.au/~cidm/page/inoculum/may97.htm

Vaccination policies: individual rights v community health
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/319/7223/1448

Diabetes Statistics - Incidence in children under 5 years of age has doubled ovary the last 5 years
http://www.jdrf.org.au/publications/factsheets/diabetesstatistics.html

Med. research

National centre for immunisation research and survellience
http://www.ncirs.usyd.edu.au/

Vaccine components and constituents: responding to consumer concerns
http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/184_04_200206/eld10500_fm.html

Younger age at vaccination may increase risk of varicella vaccine failure.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12089668&dopt=Abstract

Medical Journals - searches available

PubMed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed


Biochemical journal
http://www.biochemj.org/bj/tocprev/toc2001.htm

Medscape
http://www.medscape.com/home

BJM
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/index.dtl

OVID
http://www.ovid.com/site/index.jsp

JAMA American medical assoc.
http://jama.ama-assn.org/

MJA - medical journal of Australia
http://www.mja.com.au/

PLOS medical - peer reviewed open access journal
http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=index-html&issn=1549-1676

Journal of the national cancer institute
http://jncicancerspectrum.oxfordjournals.org/

The Lancet
http://www.thelancet.com/

The CDC - Centre for disease control and prevention
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/

JCI- Journal of clinical investigation
http://www.pubmedcentral.com/tocrender.fcgi?action=archive&journal=120

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:yelclap:

Well done Queenie!

[the_queen]

Katie, you switched me from "undecided" to "non-vax" so it's all thanks to you, lovey :hugs:

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Awwww:hugs:

[stellarella]

Good stuff queenie...you are one organised woman :D :hugs:

[MilkOnTap]

Thanks for all those links Queenie!

Now I might be able to get my hubby to agree to non-vax at all rather than selective vax... :thumbsup:

[Oscar's mum]

Mod's any chance of making this a sticky;)

[kymmy]

Thanks the queen! :thumbsup:
Should keep me busy...

[the_queen]

Mod's any chance of making this a sticky;)


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[neostudded]

:iagree::iagree:

[Oscar's mum]

Pretty pretty please to making this a sticky????

[SPC]

A good reason to vaccinate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Cleverley-Bisman

The Australian Immunisation Handbook:
http://immunise.health.gov.au/internet/immunise/publishing.nsf/Content/Handbook-home

Easy to read UK website with FAQs and fact sheets on diseases, such as pertussis:
http://www.immunisation.nhs.u
http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/publications/GB_24_pertussis.pdf

A list of the ingredients in Australian Vaccines:
http://mja.com.au/public/issues/184_04_200206/eld10500_fm.html

Myths and Realities: responding to arguments against immunisation 4th edition:
http://immunise.health.gov.au/internet/immunise/publishing.nsf/Content/2A6F1217513F4E59CA25719D001833F8/$File/myths-4th-edition.pdf

More on additive in vaccines;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14654615?dopt=Abstract

Annual report: surveillance of adverse events following immunisation in Australia, 2006:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17974219?

[reAllytee]

Just adding another great resource thats unbiased but has amazing links for both sides !

http://users.adelphia.net/~cdc/index.html

[dragonflyblu]

2 good online videos/lectures

this ones from the usa
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-6351515212287981735&q=vaccines&ei=kq4QSK2YEo2SjgK72bmfBA&hl=en

this one is australian
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-6696666502913965744&q=vaccination&total=4076&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[Teley]

OMG! I just saw this thread!
It's a godsend! Can't believe I was so blind, wondering where I could find good information about vaccination!
Queen, you are a champion:yelclap::yelclap::yelclap:! And bloody organised may I say.

[V8]

Great info, that should keep me busy for a while!

[neostudded]

Thanks for this sticky, it has been very helpful.
Thanks for all the great links SPC and The Queen and everyone else.

I forgot about this thread and was just thinking "we should have a vaccine pro's and cons sticky"..So I went to see it there was one and there was.:thumbsup:

[MissSookyLaLa]

thanks for these links

i am however looking for a reputable australian article/site against immunisations: the ones listed here are what my hubby would call a bit 'povo' and lacking credibility...i havent looked through all of them, just the aussie domain ones.

i am interested in delaying/not giving MMR and varecilla, but cant seem to find a reputable source to show hubby supporting my argument?

[ck2b]

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Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/ (http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/) quote]

Not sure if we can add to this but just want to let people know that the above link which has been provided and makes for very alarming reading is actually riding off the back of the official US Gov VAERS web-site. This Medalert site is no way affiliated with VAERS and I recommend that people read the VAERS disclaimer first before reading anything else and then taking the information from the rest of the VAERS site itself : http://vaers.hhs.gov/info.htm

[jane42]

It's one thing to be informed, it's another to know who and what is informing you. It seems anyone we quote on the pro and con debate is up for criticism from someone else. How do we then decide what we are going to believe?

This question is bugging me and it also makes it a challenge figuring out what to believe.

If anyone is interested the Dept of Health and Ageing have a journal available FREE. It's called Communicable Diseases Intelligence (CDI) and I assume it is written by people who should know.
it is about communicable diseases and contains articles about such, also graphs etc.

It may be worth picking through these journals and reading the articles regarding the childhood infectious diseases which are so much an issue in this bubhub forum.

I have downloaded the last 12 years worth of journals and have begun reading relevant articles.

I am interested in chatting with other people who, like me, want to read source materials, not just take others words for the vaccination debate.

It seems to me the vaccination debate works on peoples fear regardless of the for or against position. Fear of infectious diseases and fear of adverse effects.

If anyone is interested in exploring and discussing, not telling, discussing, in a logical manner, meaning lets stick to points and not get muddled by other points I would love to hear from you.

[Fuchsia!]

http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/Source/CDA-index.cfm
http://www.ncirs.usyd.edu.au/research/r-acir-3rdquart.html
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-cdi31suppl.htm%7Ecda-cdi31suppl-5.htm%7Ecda-cdi31suppl-5b.htm
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf

[bunintheoven12]

Did anyone mention the Australian Vaccination Network? www.avn.org.au

[HazTechDad]

Quite a good article Re the debate here:

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=9207&page=0

Written by Dr Andrew Gunn, a GP and senior lecturer at the University of Queensland's school of medicine.

While he is generally pro-vaccination, he has spoken out before on excessive prescriptions, questioned the value-for-money of HPV vaccines, and frankly spoken about medical treatment in general. His other articles are linked at the bottom of the page.

[BubbaHead]

Here is a little story about the government and why they need to ease up on Vaccine enforcements.

My now 5 year old. His name is Ryan and he is a beautiful soul who has not had such a beautiful life.

Diagnosed with a life threatening brain tumor at 3 months old he endured 2 years of Chemotherapy. A very stressful time for both him and myself - I should also include his biological father who had a mental breakdown which forced us to separate through the ordeal.

During the 2 years we lived in and out of the hospital while his immune system took a constant crash. Things eased up around 3 years old when he finally showed some progress when taken off chemo and his body fought the tumor itself.

Now from the moment my son was born the government harassed me every time his vaccinations were due even though he was exempted - even AFTER the exemptions were filled out because there system is such a mess we would still end up in the pile of "Non-vaxers by choice"

Then the Exemptions run out and you need to fill in another and another.

Then a catch up plan is enforced once hes better - which the immunisation centre writes up for you and if you dont "catch up" on time - again your harrased with threats to cancel your ccb etc.

My CCB has been cancelled several times because of my non compliance because although my son is not on Chemo he is usually always too sick to have his needles when the catch up plan states.

So off we go to have a doctor fill out paperwork again to give us some time - AGAIN.

He has now CAUGHT up - but with every single needle he has been hospitalized expect for the tetanus shot.

He has been rushed in an Ambulance to the ER after the chicken pox needle.

I have had it all with these vaccines. Now while i do agree they could also save his life - I feel that they could have taken it as well.

No i have made all my sons medical decisions in his best interests freely - but not vaccinations.

In order for me to work and get our life back on track I need child care benefit. Which leads me to be forced into vaccinations that I'm not actually refusing - I just thought the timeline was ridiculous.

The government dont care about each childs individual circumstances - its too much paperwork. Instead they would rather bully people into having these needles.

I should also mention my son is now undergoing nueropsychology and rehab for other issues - poor motor skills, obsessive behaviour, high anxiety.

apparently not necessarily attributed to his brain tumor.

Theres a lot of suspected links between vaccinations and what they can do to the body - im no expert but my stomach tells me we dont know enough to put so many vaccines into our children so early

:smiliedance: But you know what. My son is well and healthy and I guess I have the upside of saying he wont die of chicken pox in his lifetime :D