Swap, NO SHOP NO MORE?

[HollowLegs]

hey, i've just been in the Cloth Swap n Shop section, & well now it seems its only a Cloth Swap section ONLY due to bubhub's recent affiliation with Monkeys Undies - there's a message stating: "Cloth Nappy Swap This section is for swaps only - with NO money changing hands. Please do not sell in this section." :thumbsdown:

[Lirael]

how odd, does bubhub ake a profit from monkeys undies or something?

[Bubble*Crazy]

Here's the link

Click! (http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=88061)

[SorenLorensen]

im pretty sure bub hub is monkeys undies

oh well, i would rather be able to grab MCNs as soon as i see them, but it does not bother me too much there is another forum i talk on that i can get them from.

i dont really want to swap any of mine since i am saving them for my next lot of kiddies :D

[HollowLegs]

Yup, that would make sense, or else maybe they just get a cut of the profits - otherwise there would be no point to it - jmo

[jess_live_die]

i dnt like i wnt say no more dnt wanna get in trouble

[GraceUnhearing]

how odd, does bubhub ake a profit from monkeys undies or something?

thats what i was thinking



but it does not bother me too much there is another forum i talk on that i can get them from.

i dont really want to swap any of mine since i am saving them for my next lot of kiddies :D

i think everyone else has other forums they can get things off without the auction part.
i think bubhub might loose a few people this way :(
and i dont want to swap either.

i dont think its a good idea, the swap and shop was great!

[jess_live_die]

i think bubhub might loose a few people this way :(
and i dont want to swap either.

i dont think its a good idea, the swap and shop was great!
i agree

[GraceUnhearing]

bubhub will probably end up being spammed with people posting links and things to this site with what they have on auction so isnt this essentially the same thing?

I can just imagine the cloth general section with post after post of links to what people are selling.

[jess_live_die]

i think it will get alot of people heated over this

[tickle]

I have alerted Hilary to this thread. I'm sure she will get back to you as soon as possible.:)

[nuddle]

not fair I say....

[lilBoofD]

I don't like this either :no:

[Shanaynay]

Bubhub must cost a lot of money to run... they have to get some back some way.... another forum I used to be a member of, the person who ran that didn't make much money from it, so we couldn't send PM's :eek:.... she had to cut costs wherever she could.

I think it's great as now more people will be exposed to MCN that otherwise wouldn't have :smiliedance:

[jess_live_die]

i think they are tring to be like all the other sites but it was better the way it was

[GraceUnhearing]

it was better the way it was

:yes: :yes: :yes:

[jess_live_die]

bubhub is gonna lose alot of poeple and im gonna be 1 i think. its very unfair how they have gone about this

[stellarella]

Oh bummer, the MCN swap and shop was the best bit of bubhub....:gloomy: :thumbsdown: :crying: :(

[GraceUnhearing]

Oh bummer, the MCN swap and shop was the best bit of bubhub....:gloomy: :thumbsdown: :crying:

exactly!

:crying:

[jess_live_die]

guess ill be selling all my nappies on there coz im giving up on coth:crying:

[ikis84]

Why jess?

[Melo]

guess ill be selling all my nappies on there coz im giving up on coth:crying:

How come Jess?

Because you cant sell on Bub Hub?

[jess_live_die]

no ive been thinking of it for a while but its so hard to get stuff to work for dianne i think shes a kids thats not meant to be in nappies :crying: dnt get me wrong i love being a cloth bubs mum but she bottom is so hard to find nappies that dnt hurt her bottom
and althou i dnt agree with what bubhub are doing ill still love bubhub ive met heaps of great people

[Melo]

But I thought Disposables made her bottom sore too?

[bubhub]

bubhub is gonna lose alot of poeple and im gonna be 1 i think. its very unfair how they have gone about this

Whoa, ladies, this is a little harsh. I'm going to repeat in here what I said in the other, similar, thread. If you can see that there is a much bigger picture here - my hubbie and I run this website from home. There are thousands of pages on the site - about all sorts of topics - a directory, a reviews section, a massive forum, parent jobs, info pages, etc, etc.

We have to administer this site. In the forum we have the assistance of our lovely volunteer moderators. The sales side of things is getting too much to handle - and it's a service that you have had for FREE, Blot, zilch. So rather than shut it down completely, we've found an alternative that costs you very little and frees us from the administration. Bub Hub DOES NOT make money out of our partnership with MU.

This part is repeated from the other thread and is in response to some of the questions asked there...

1) Bub Hub doesn't make any money from Monkeys Undies.

2) This was a feature that we were asked for, so we found a WAHM mum who we thought had a great product and we've partnered with her to add a feature to Bub Hub that our viewers were asking for.

3) Our site is moderated by volunteers - and there have been instances of it being a thin line between people who were sneaking commercial style sales onto the site and genuine parents wishing to sell unwanted goods. That's difficult and awkward for our mods to deal with - and to be quite honest with you, sales disputes and deciding whether it's a commercial sale or not is just not what our mods want to do. This makes a clean break - and most of the people that you'll be trading with on MU will be Bub Hubbers!

4) You don't have to sell goods by Auction - you can sell at a fixed price. So, if a few of you in here want to sell things, but don't like auctions, sell them at a fixed price. Then others can buy them at a fixed price too.

5) The fee is nominal! It's 4% for goods sold at a cost of more than $3.50, so if you sell a nappy for $10, it costs you 40c.

6) You don't need a credit card, any sales fees can be paid by PayPal. And you don't need to input your credit card details at the time you register.

7) We are planning to have an automated feed from MU into Bub Hub so you will get a notification on here as soon as a new product is placed on BH - so you can keep your hourly/daily checks on this section. We just need a bit of time to set this up.

8) You can still swap nappies on here - although it's nappies for nappies, not nappies for vouchers or the like.

So whilst we appreciate that some people don't like change - there is nothing that you can't do on MU that you couldn't do here. The only difference is that it might cost you 50c every now and again. If you bear in mind the cost of hosting websites, administering them, buying the software to run them (and keep it updated), this is not an unreasonable fee.

[jess_live_die]

yea that wasnt up when i wrote that sorry i get were yous are comming from after reading that

[xkwzit]

To add my two cents to the mix:

I think the really important part of this change is that we have recognised that buying and selling isn't Bubhub's core business.

The buy sell sections were very intensive, as moderators were often assisting hubbers in sorting out transactions for many and varied reasons. This took us away from our core purpose, which is providing a positive and supportive parenting resource.

Running a successful buy sell section isn't really what we want to be doing, so let's help out another entreprenuer who WANTS to be in that business.

(and I'll never have to track down anyone's goods anymore :D)

Cheers

[Lirael]

maybe this new site will prevent people being um, ripped off or stuffed around...

[GraceUnhearing]

maybe this new site will prevent people being um, ripped off or stuffed around...

i doubt it

if anyone can join
anyone can put down a false name and false address and bid on what ever they want.
with ebay and things you need to supply a credit card info to try and prevent things like that from happening.

[Lirael]

im trying to be positive... i dont really want to use it, but i have nappies I cant sell on here anymore.

[SugarBlossom]

I still think it sucks and I won't be using it, there a million and one auction sites and I loved dealing with people via PM's.

Bubhub has totally gone about it the wrong way, why not have done a vote!!:thumbsdown:

Saying that, its wrong that people expected moderators to deal with their transactions, as voliies they have enough to do.

Still gets a BIG :thumbsdown: from me though

[GraceUnhearing]

Bubhub has totally gone about it the wrong way, why not have done a vote!!:thumbsdown:



:yes: :yes

something like that should have been done

i've had quite alot of transactions buying and selling on here and have never had to contact a mod about it!

[nuddle]

could that be a compromise, we could continue to do it, if the mods stay out, we could just have a rule that you can only buy and sell if you have been a member for a certain time, and have a certain amount of posts to your name, then let the risk be ours....

[jess_live_die]

could that be a compromise, we could continue to do it, if the mods stay out, we could just have a rule that you can only buy and sell if you have been a member for a certain time, and have a certain amount of posts to your name, then let the risk be ours....
thats a good idea

[gremily]

Oh bummer, the MCN swap and shop was the best bit of bubhub:(

Really:confused: Wow! TBH, I think there are plenty of other areas I find much more interesting than the S and S area.
I can see how disappointed some of you are and can really sympathise - posting and pming makes a sale/swap really easy and quick.
But then you've got to look at it from BH's point of view aswell. Can't be easy having to mod all of it.

I think you all need to check it out before badmouthing the service. It could work out to be a blessing for some of you.:)

[SorenLorensen]

i have now realised 1 thing that really gets to me about the shop & swap wont be able to happen anymore so i am actualy for this now :thumbsup:

[Melo]

Really:confused: Wow! TBH, I think there are plenty of other areas I find much more interesting than the S and S area.
I can see how disappointed some of you are and can really sympathise - posting and pming makes a sale/swap really easy and quick.
But then you've got to look at it from BH's point of view aswell. Can't be easy having to mod all of it.



Me too, I know that I didnt join Bub Hub for the S & S area :no:. It wasnt even around when I joined!

[westerner]

Bubhub has totally gone about it the wrong way, why not have done a vote!!
Still gets a BIG :thumbsdown: from me though


Thats a bit harsh.. :eek:

Bub hub is a parenting forum/website.. Not a sell your stuff to make money or trade for a different item forum/website..

Considering its a free service you would think people would appreciate it a little more..

I dont think they have gone about it the wrong way at all.. They provided an alternate option and are trying to improve the site and its running.. :thumbsup:

They have no obligation to us and could shut it down tomorrow if they wished.. At the end of the day they are providing a service for us all for free and the least we could do is appreciate the resource they provide us with..


Thankyou bubhub for this amazing parenting resource.. :yelclap:

[Lirael]

i dont think she meant just the swap and shop...

[stellarella]

Really Wow! TBH, I think there are plenty of other areas I find much more interesting than the S and S area.
I can see how disappointed some of you are and can really sympathise - posting and pming makes a sale/swap really easy and quick.
But then you've got to look at it from BH's point of view aswell. Can't be easy having to mod all of it.

I think you all need to check it out before badmouthing the service. It could work out to be a blessing for some of you.


Oh its cool, I am all for the new MU auction site now :thumbsup:

But TBH the MCN S&S was the best bit of BH...followed by the general MCN area.

It wasnt around when I joined either, but I have since drifted away from the rest of the BH threads as its just the same stuff going round and round and everyone is getting really nasty and quick to abuse differing opinions :crying:

Anyway I am now very excited about the MU site, I think it will be greeeeaaat!! :D

[jess_live_die]

i went and looked at that new thing and i throught it would be bad and id get lost but i found my way around :thumbsup:
its not as bad as i throught

[gremily]

Oh its cool, I am all for the new MU auction site now

But TBH the MCN S&S was the best bit of BH...followed by the general MCN area.

It wasnt around when I joined either, but I have since drifted away from the rest of the BH threads as its just the same stuff going round and round and everyone is getting really nasty and quick to abuse differing opinions

Anyway I am now very excited about the MU site, I think it will be greeeeaaat!! :D

Just goes to show how different we are:yes:

So when will we see your new business on there?;) :)

[KarniF00l]

Thats a bit harsh.. :eek:

Bub hub is a parenting forum/website.. Not a sell your stuff to make money or trade for a different item forum/website..

Considering its a free service you would think people would appreciate it a little more..

I dont think they have gone about it the wrong way at all.. They provided an alternate option and are trying to improve the site and its running.. :thumbsup:

They have no obligation to us and could shut it down tomorrow if they wished.. At the end of the day they are providing a service for us all for free and the least we could do is appreciate the resource they provide us with..


Thankyou bubhub for this amazing parenting resource..

:yelclap: well said Goosey!

We have been extremely lucky getting away with it for this long without all the fees and charges which i'm sure has been much appreciated by many. We have been very lucky.

With the fees, it's really not that much seriously. 4% is diddlysquat IMO. Yes, we'll have to build our point system up but as Hilary has already stated, sellers on MU need to be a member of BubHub. It won't take much to do a search on the sellers username to see if they are honest or haven't just joined to do a dodgy. Not saying that all new member are dodgy but for most the more post aside a sellers name the more comfortable you feel trusting them that the transaction will go smoothly. Does that make sense ?

I'm glad now that all the pressure has been taken off mods, can you imagine how daunting that must have been ? :thumbsdown: and they do it for free in their own time.

You can't please everyone especially on a massive forum like this, a little appreciation towards Hilary and the team wouldn't go ashtray. They have done a brilliant job what they have given us so far!

[Phoenix's Mum]

I'm pretty disappointed-:no:

~Being a nappy addict (like a lot of us are) I don't feel that selling nappies really ever caused argument. We tend to know each other on here and sell and buy nappies from each other regularly. How many disputes did cloth nappy selling actually amount to? Because I really haven't heard of us ever needing a mod in the S & S. It gives us a chance to upgrade our stash, try new nappies and sometimes swap nappies. Now it means that if we buy a nappy we don't like (from someone we don't know! On BH we tend to get to know the regulars/cloth bum mums), instead of selling it for the price we paid on BH to someone we know, we will have to put it on auction (or buy it now; still not the same as people posting on the threads and it being more personal!), wait for it to sell, and pay fees. Sometimes I would sell 5 nappies a week and buy the same amount. If they were $20 each, I would be paying about $1 to sell each nappy, and the person I am buying off is also losing $1. So how is this situation benefiting us?

~I understand that there have been fake users etc in the selling department ie maternity & children's clothes, but as I said earlier, how many times have the mods been needed for dispute resolution in the Cloth Nappy Swap & Shop?:confused:

~I know a lot of other forums have not implemented this, they allow nappy selling and swapping freely, and I also know that on some forums where it is said that you can only swap, people sell the nappies via pm system anyhow! So instead of it being a lovely open thing where we can all swap and sell, it will become a covert operation behind the scenes.:thumbsdown:

~And doesn't Bubhub know that there is Buyforbaby? So why do we need Monkie's Undies? Why fix something that isn't broken? I don't get it!

[gremily]

There were problems in the other selling area which is why BH has decided to do this. You can't have general selling area close down but keep the nappy selling area open - it's just not fair.

[Phoenix's Mum]

There were problems in the other selling area which is why BH has decided to do this. You can't have general selling area close down but keep the nappy selling area open - it's just not fair.

I think I'd have to disagree here. The nappy selling area was mostly a place where everyone knew everyone and had a laugh while selling nappies. Gee, I felt like we were all friends!:thumbsup:

Nobody ever complained about people being dodgy and everyone was friendly.

I know I looked on it MU and there were hardly any nappies listed on there. Whereas usually there would be new nappies listed all day on S & S. Just means mostly people will sell more on Buyforbaby or as I said earlier, say swap but sell privately via the pm system like another forum I know.:no:

[gremily]

Just remember MU has just opened so it's likely there aren't going to be too many products on there atm.

I understand how great the S & S was, I'm not disputing that. Like I said earlier, easy to use, quick and you pretty well "knew" who everyone was.

The problems is there were dodgy people selling stuff in the other Selling area. BH had to look at other options. MU was the best option for them and the majority of BH users. Unfortunately that meant the S & S area had to close aswell, as it would be hypocritical for them to run that but not run the other.

[GraceUnhearing]

I'm pretty disappointed-:no:

~Being a nappy addict (like a lot of us are) I don't feel that selling nappies really ever caused argument. We tend to know each other on here and sell and buy nappies from each other regularly. How many disputes did cloth nappy selling actually amount to? Because I really haven't heard of us ever needing a mod in the S & S. It gives us a chance to upgrade our stash, try new nappies and sometimes swap nappies. Now it means that if we buy a nappy we don't like (from someone we don't know! On BH we tend to get to know the regulars/cloth bum mums), instead of selling it for the price we paid on BH to someone we know, we will have to put it on auction (or buy it now; still not the same as people posting on the threads and it being more personal!), wait for it to sell, and pay fees. Sometimes I would sell 5 nappies a week and buy the same amount. If they were $20 each, I would be paying about $1 to sell each nappy, and the person I am buying off is also losing $1. So how is this situation benefiting us?

~I understand that there have been fake users etc in the selling department ie maternity & children's clothes, but as I said earlier, how many times have the mods been needed for dispute resolution in the Cloth Nappy Swap & Shop?:confused:

~I know a lot of other forums have not implemented this, they allow nappy selling and swapping freely, and I also know that on some forums where it is said that you can only swap, people sell the nappies via pm system anyhow! So instead of it being a lovely open thing where we can all swap and sell, it will become a covert operation behind the scenes.:thumbsdown:

~And doesn't Bubhub know that there is Buyforbaby? So why do we need Monkie's Undies? Why fix something that isn't broken? I don't get it!

what she said!
haha



~And doesn't Bubhub know that there is Buyforbaby?

thats what i said before.

[susannahjoy]

Well i just had a go at adding an item and it was pretty easy. (trying to offload my nappy wrapper, can i say that in here, it's not like i am advertising cause this would be the last place i'd try and advertise a nappy wrapper)

I will probably be selling some nappies in the near future and will list on MU and see how it goes.

I've only been a bub hubber for a couple of months and have never sold on here, just bought. I don't chat on any other forums so i wouldn't try and sell on there as nobody knows me.

[Tam-I-Am]

I'm pretty disappointed-:no:

~Being a nappy addict (like a lot of us are) I don't feel that selling nappies really ever caused argument. We tend to know each other on here and sell and buy nappies from each other regularly. How many disputes did cloth nappy selling actually amount to? Because I really haven't heard of us ever needing a mod in the S & S.

Well I'm glad to know that our moderators did such a wonderful job in this section that members haven't even heard of the problems - but yes, there have been problems in the nappy S&S section that we've had to deal with.

If you still don't get what this is about, I suggest you go back and read Hilary's post a couple of pages ago, it explains everything pretty clearly.

I for one, am really thankful that Hilary and Brad provide such a wonderful website, and I'm so passionate about it that I spend (quite a bit of) my free time moderating the site. I'm really glad that I won't have to moderate sales and nappy s&s disputes anymore. I'm also really happy that they've found me a great alternative to do some business with.....and think how this site could benefit our OWN WAHM - they can have their own shop on MU, and can actually start getting a name out there via the Bubhub population.

I know most people don't like change, but I think this is an awesome step forward, and all credit to Hilary and Brad for continuing to improve and innovate Bubhub.

[stellarella]

I just made a banner and logo for my store (though nothing to list yet...hehe :o :p )

I think it would be awesome if all the bubhubbers who make stuff started selling....we could make our own little MCN shopping centre..:laughing:

Just remember the more people who use it the bigger and better it will become, it could potentially be as busy (and busier) than the S&S section, but better to navigate...:thumbsup:

[nuddle]

I just made a banner and logo for my store (though nothing to list yet...hehe :o :p )

I think it would be awesome if all the bubhubbers who make stuff started selling....we could make our own little MCN shopping centre..:laughing:

Just remember the more people who use it the bigger and better it will become, it could potentially be as busy (and busier) than the S&S section, but better to navigate...:thumbsup: I agree, lets all give it a go....

[jess_live_die]

ill give it ago to for all that bubhub done for me i owe it to the :thumbsup:

[Billy]

I just made a banner and logo for my store (though nothing to list yet...hehe )

Thats awesome Ella good on you!!! :yelclap:




I think it would be awesome if all the bubhubbers who make stuff started selling....we could make our own little MCN shopping centre..:laughing:


I agree this sounds fantastic!!! I can't wait to get my hands on some of our fab WAHM's stock!! :smiliedance: :D

[draught]

I think that there have been a full range of opinions expressed here, and that this thread should end on a positive note. Thankyou Stellarella, nuddle, jess and billy for being positive.

To the others who keep re-iterating how upset they are - please take it as read that your comments have been heard.

Now - lets move on to bigger and better things!!:D

[bubhub]

Thank you for all the feedback - particularly the positive stuff where goosey, billy, et all really summed things up well.

I would just like to make a comment here though...

:yelclap: Hilary has already stated, sellers on MU need to be a member of BubHub. It won't take much to do a search on the sellers username to see if they are honest or haven't just joined to do a dodgy.

I hope that I didn't state that. You don't have to be a Bub Hub member to be a member of MU. However, with a close partnership between the two sites, we hope that a lot of people will be members of both. What I would suggest is that people joining MU join using their Bub Hub username and then those trading on MU will know who they are dealing with.