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mamafelix
01-03-2005, 16:38
Personally, the best thing I ever did in regards to having a good night sleep was deciding to have Felix in the bed with dh and I.
It has been fantastic because ever since he was small, I've never had to get up to go and feed/comfort him in the night. After the inital learning period where he still needed help latching on to the breast, we fell into a rhythm where he would grunt and I'd half wake, pop the boob in and fall back asleep.

I know it's not for everyone, but I'd thought I'd post this article by Dr Sears on safe co-sleeping anyway, for those who might be interested. It's from his website at
http://iparenting.com/

Safe Co-sleeping
by Dr. William Sears

On September 29, 1999 a major news report titled "Hazards Associated with Children Placed in Adult Beds" was carried in nearly every major newspaper and many national television programs, putting fear into parents. The day before this study broke, I was interviewed by The New York Times, The Washington Post, several other major newspapers, and CNN sent a camera crew to our home for comments on this new research. Do parents who sleep with their infants need to worry? No! Here's the scoop.

This study appeared in the October issue of The Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine. Researchers at the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) reviewed death certificates from 1990 through 1997 and found 515 deaths of children younger than 2 years who were placed to sleep on adult beds. Of these deaths, 121 were reported to be due to overlying of the child by the parent, other adult or sibling sleeping in the bed with the child, and 394 were due to entrapment in the bed structure, such as wedging of the child between the mattress and side rail or wall, suffocation in water beds, or head entrapment in bed railings. Most of these deaths occurred in infants younger than 3 months.

Like so much research, this was a helpful news/harmful news scenario. The importance of this research is it calls attention to parents who choose to sleep with their babies -- and many do -- to please do it safely. The problem with this study is that it caused unnecessary fear in the millions of parents who safely and responsively sleep with their babies, and whose infants wake up just fine. While the CPSC made a valid point that parents should be aware of the potential dangers of unsafe sleeping practices, it went too far in issuing a blanket statement that no parents should sleep with their babies younger than 2 years of age.

When science and common sense don't match, suspect faulty science. Co-sleeping itself is not inherently dangerous. The CPSC sleep study estimated that 64 deaths per year occurred in infants sleeping with their parents. The fact is that many more infants die when sleeping alone in a crib than when sleeping in their parents' bed. The conclusion could be made that sleeping alone is inherently unsafe for babies. While the authors of this study indicated that their conclusions were not statistically valid, it would have been helpful if the authors made the point that the great majority of SIDS (remember it used to be called "crib death") occurs in infants sleeping alone in cribs. Instead of making parents afraid to sleep with their babies, a more contemporary approach would be to teach parents who choose to co-sleep to do it safely . Here are the precautions for safe co-sleeping:

* Always put babies younger than 6 months to sleep on their backs and not their tummies.
* Don't sleep with your baby if you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol or any substance that could diminish your awareness of your baby.
* Don't sleep with baby on soft surfaces, such as beanbags, waterbeds and couches.
* Avoid crevices between mattress and wall or mattress and side rail.
* Avoid side rails, head-boards and foot-boards that have slats that could entrap baby's head.
* Avoid putting your bed near curtains or blinds that have dangling strings that could strangle baby.
* Only one baby in bed at a time, please.


For parents who intuitively don't like the separation anxiety of their infant sleeping alone in a crib, but do not want to, or are fearful of, sleeping in the same bed with their baby, here is a compromise. Try the Arm's Reach Co-sleeper, a crib-like infant bed that attaches securely and safely right next to the parent's bed. With this nighttime nurturing device, parents have their own space, baby has his or her own space, yet baby and parents are in close touching and nursing distance to oneanother.(For more information about co-sleepers, see www.armsreach.com.

Despite the media hype on the dangers of co-sleeping, the facts are that much of the world's population sleep with babies and do so safely. How could a sleeping arrangement that has been practiced for centuries all of the sudden be "unsafe?" We believe that co-sleeping is the nighttime parenting style of the millennium for two reasons: more and more mothers are breastfeeding. Sleeping next to your baby makes breastfeeding easier. When baby is hungry, mother can simply feed her baby without either member of the nursing pair fully awakening. Martha has dubbed night nursing as the "lazy mom's option." She has slept with and night nursed most of our babies and felt rested the next day. In this way, both baby's need for nighttime feeding and nurturing and mother's need for sleep can be met. The second reason why co-sleeping is contemporary is that more and more dual income parents are now separated from their infants during the day. Co-sleeping allows working parents to reconnect with their babies at night and make up for missed touch time during the day.

Nighttime is scary time for little people. When considering where baby should sleep, look at things from a baby's point of view. If you were an infant, would you rather sleep alone in a dark room behind bars or right next to your favorite person in the whole wide world and inches away from your favorite cuisine? The choice is obvious.

There is no right or wrong place for baby to sleep. Each family needs to work out the sleeping arrangement that gets all family members the best night's sleep. Whatever nighttime arrangement you choose, do it wisely and safely. Sleep well!

mamafelix
01-03-2005, 16:43
Apologies to Dr Sears iparenting is not actually his website.. www.askdrsears.com is!!

For more co-sleeping advice check out this page of questions and answers:
http://www.askdrsears.com/html/7/T071100.asp

Hukuna Matata
24-03-2005, 00:19
yeah for co-sleeping.... I too pop out the boob and drift back to sleep. Even though I wake around 2-3 times a night, I don't think I'm awake longer than 20mins total. Sometimes I don't even realise I have woken, my only clue that I have is that my boob is out!! :rolleyes:

Sleep deprivation has rarely been an issue (only around the milestone times when ds woke every hour), and sleeping is definately not one of my ds's strong points. He has never slept through but that doesn't worry me. We are doing just fine! :cool:

mamafelix
24-03-2005, 12:56
Hiya Kara!

Glad to hear everything is going well with your little bub and you feel on top of the whole sleep thing!
There's nothing quite like waking up and having your babe in your arms is there?
Let me know if you need any support or advice down the track... or just a place to vent that sleep deprivation.

sage'smum
29-03-2005, 13:27
Hi

I'm so glad to see that I'm not doing the wrong thing with my bub. She's almost 6 months and has been sleeping with us since she was one month - much to the horror of most of our family. It's seems to be working for all three of us and it allows us to get more sleep. (well, I believe it does!)

Sometimes it would be good to have more sleep but there is nothing like waking up to a little hand gently touching your face and a huge smile to start your day!!

Tammy

Sage 2/10/04

willsmum
29-03-2005, 14:47
Hi mamafelix,

When on earth do you find the time to post such amazing detailed stuff?

We co-sleep with no 1 (3 1/2 years old). My only concern is what will happen when no 2 (7 months) figures out she is in a cot & her brother is in with Mum & Dad!!

The cot is in our room, so I figure maybe when we move her to her own room, big brother will go too into his own bed (we have a 2 bedroom 1880's cottage) otherwise we'll be very squished up!

Any thoughts on what you will do when no 2 arrives?

mamafelix
29-03-2005, 17:18
I'm meant to be writing a thesis.... anything to avoid actually doing some work! :p

We've actually just made the transition (or I should say, we are in the process) of getting Felix into his 'big boy bed'.

I night weaned him a little while ago and as a 'reward' we bought a spekky new bed for him. It's still in our room, but he's pretty keen to sleep in it most nights.
Sometimes of course he wakes up and wants to come in with us, but mostly he's sleeping through now which is lovely, I get a little bit of sleep before this next one comes!

Really I'm not too fussed about having him in our bed, it's just the space factor since we (only?) have a queensize. I know a lot of other co-sleepers end up putting a couple of matrasses together and have two or more kids in there at the same time.

I know other people who have just dropped the side of a cot and pulled it alongside their bed- maybe that could be an option when your daughter figures it out?

hmm should go do some work!

WeThree
29-03-2005, 20:43
Although I dont always have our daughter in the bed with us i have always had my babies in their crib next to the bed so that i dont have to go and get them from another room in the middle of the night and i also cannot relax when they are all alone in another room. I usually try to put her back in her cot if she wakes up for a feed but often we just fall asleep having a cuddle and that is more than fine too! my eldest son coslept with me all the time until he was about 4 and he was not a good sleeper, but with my last 2 it has been a bit of both, not having them in the bed with me every night but in the same room & we can still have lots of sleepy cuddles if needed, whatever happens happens & they have both been good sleepers.
ps mamafelix i love reading these threads, very refreshing to hear from parents with similiar views! :)

alicesmum
29-03-2005, 22:36
mamafelix
wow....i am meant to be writing my thesis too, as we speak....i mean type..., but am strangely addicted to bubhub instead! It's such an easy way to procrastinate! But why do now what you can put off until next month, I say. My supervisor'll understand!! What's yours on?

Anyway, I love this para:

Nighttime is scary time for little people. When considering where baby should sleep, look at things from a baby's point of view. If you were an infant, would you rather sleep alone in a dark room behind bars or right next to your favorite person in the whole wide world and inches away from your favorite cuisine? The choice is obvious.

Brilliant!!

I co-slept with alice until she was 2 months old and felt rested every morning using the technique described in this article. Best thing I ever did, tho it went against all the advice I was given by people who said I was creating a bad habit, a rod for my own back etc etc!! :cool:

I would have co-slept longer (and have once or twice) excpet that I can't sleep so well these days with 3 in the bed, coz she's just so bloody big (10kg at 7 months!)

thanks for the article!!

mumof2girls
03-04-2005, 20:11
I must admit neither of my children have ever slept with us but they use to sleep next to our bed but from the day one my children would sleep for 10-12 hours a night I wonder if this has something to do with it.

Any thoughts?

Kay

WeThree
03-04-2005, 20:25
its a thought kay. i say whatever works, and thats why i find these threads refreshing, but i have to say my eldest slept with me and was a terrible sleeper and my other 2 slept next to my bed(although in bed with me when they want a cuddle, feed etc) and they have both been excellent sleepers. sometimes it can be worth waking up and giving them both sides of a feed etc so that they sleep longer after. :) (baby feels better too after a nice long sleep, my daughter always wakes up with a smile on her face and so does mummy because i've had more than 3-4 hrs sleep in a row!) :)

mumof2girls
03-04-2005, 22:26
I was thinking back and both my children were on sids monitors as they use to stop breathing all the time so they slept next to us in the pram. But as they got older neither of them would sleep in a cot of any sort, they both slept on a mattress on the floor from about 6 months of age, we tried them in the cot several times but they would cry all the time, you put them on a mattress and they would sleep 12 hours, only when they were older did we put them in a bed (when they could walk & climb). In fact my oldest wouldn't sleep in a bed until her sister did and then she wanted a trundle bed. Maybe I just have weird children!!!

mamafelix
04-04-2005, 14:50
I'm a firm believer in 'whatever works for you' and that each child is different in their needs. How lovely to have babies that sleep 10-12 hours, can I order one of those for my next please? :p

alicesmum I'm in the field of environental management, my supervisors are very patient but were not really all that impressed when I annouced my second pregnancy... but I tell them at least I came back after having Felix, I know a number of mums who decided - bugger the thesis I'd rather stay home with my bub. (which I completely understand, it's just the unis and the supervisors get a bit dark when a student concieves these days).

I'll finish it one day... I figure all this xtra time is only good for the thought processes.

willsmum
04-04-2005, 15:09
Good on you mamafelix for trying to get anything that complex done with a little one around. I finished uni ages ago, but being at work fulltime changed to part time after William and I had just got into the swing of that when I got pregnant again. Good job I have 13 years experience to fall back on in my field - my company can't do without me (I hope!!). And I've been doing project work from home whilst on mat leave as well so the transition back to work won't be so bad. I will definitely miss my little ones, so maybe I'll cut back a few more hours.