Pls help before I go insane!

[lil monkey]

Hi all,

Tayla used to sleep from 7- 7 from 3 months. at 6.5 months she decided to stop this and would wake up 1-2 times. Now at 10.5 months, she wakes up CONSTANTLY!

Basically we put her down around 7 and she will sleep for 2 hours and then wake up crying and very hard to resettle. She has the dummy in her mouth but is still screaming. So, I resettle and and hour or so later, the same thing, and then an hour later once again etc.

eventually around 11pm I put her in bed with me and DP goes to another bed. She then might sleep solidly for 2 hours and then from 2am onwards she cries, whinges, kicks (Iam covered in bruises), rolls nonstop until we get her up at 630ish. She has her eyes shut while doing all of this but she gets quite violent with her body moves and kicks!

We are at our wits end. After 4 months of next to no sleep I can't do this anymore.

Thing is, during her day sleeps, there are no grizzles or above activity and she sleeps solidly through dogs barking, lawmowers, vacuum etc. It's just at night she sleeps so lightly.

Has anyone else been through this? Can anyone give any advice what to do? We have left her in her cot to cry it out but after 40 minutes she is still going and we don't want the neighbours to think we are abusing her!

[An2net]

Hi TaylasMum,

Just wanted to say that we are going through the exact same thing at the moment with our 3.5 mth old. He used to sleep from 7pm-1am,feed,then 1.30am-6am - and we were ok with that. Over the past week, he has been waking pretty much on the hour, every hour and unable to re-settle himself to sleep. I have to go in each time to rock him a little. He'll doze off, but then start whinging again about an hour or so later. I've called Tresillian, gone to the local clinic and called a Sleep clinic in my local area and they have all said the same thing - "let him cry it out, he needs to learn to re-settle on his own and fall into a deep sleep after the 40 min light sleep cycle". Easy for them to say right?? It kills me to watch him when he tries to do this as he seems so uncomfortable, jerking his hands and feet, arching his back and squirming all over the place - crying and whinging the whole time. He won't take a dummy so he sucks on his hands so because of this, I can't wrap him!

Anyhow, I don't have the solution just yet but I'm going to try and let him cry it out tonight, turn the monitor off and put my ear-plugs in. Let me know how you go.

hugs

An2net.

[lil monkey]

Thanks An2Net.

When Tayla was 3 months, we spend 2 full weeks with overnight stays at the Perth Sleep clinic. but at that stage the night sleeps were fine and she would be dead to the world for 12 hours but she refused to sleep during the day so we listened to her cry almost all day every day and she eventually got better.

Now, day sleeps are fine and nights are terrible. I think we know what we have to do but I hate the sound of her screaming especially at night when it is so quiet as it seems so much louder!:(

[Chickadee]

Lu,
Might be time for a trip back to Ngala. If whatever they suggested last time worked for you, can you apply any of that to her night time problems? Even if it may mean adding a nighttime bottle back into her schedule, I'd rather Chloe get a top up feed at 11pm than be awake all night.

How many naps a day does she have, 3 still?

[WeThree]

we are suddenly experiencing the same probs with tilly, i think cause she wasnt well for a few nights, and she decided she wanted to be sitting up with mummy! :) im with martha, maybe an extra bottle might help settle her ?

[lil monkey]

She has 1-2 naps a day from 40 minutes to 2 hours.

We have tried the bottle but she pushes it away everytime!

She certainly isn't hungry and she has her dummy for comfort which she puts in her mouth in her sleep now.

I wonder if she has silent reflux again?!

Yes Martha, think it may be time to go to Ngala but all they will do is let her cry which we can do here.

She has been so sick lately that we aren't going to try the cry it out method for a few weeks. But, we have taken her to the doctor, and the osteopath for treatment to help and that works for the first night but then back to the same wriggling and cryng and kicking! :(

[Chickadee]

Oh, I was wondering if she was napping too much during the day, but doesnt look like it.

Do you still have the number for the mothercraft nurse who did the settling talk for my mothers group in Perth? It might be a bit of a wait to see her, but she has more alternatives than CC.

[lil monkey]

Yeh I do. We live down south west now but I guess it can't hurt to call her and see if she can do it or knows of anyone.

Looking at anything at the moment for our own sanity and sake of our relationship!!

Yeh, not sleeping too much during the day. The past 2 days she has had 2 solid 1.5-2 hours naps but she is catching up from when she didn't sleep for 3 days when the chicken pox were at their worst!!!

[lil monkey]

Well for the past 40 minutes, she has been screaming in her cot. She only quietens down if I hold her. As soon as I put her down she goes hysterical:(

She has been off her food today, didn't want her bottle tonight.

She is clean, dry, I think she is getting her 3rd tooth through as i can see the white line.

Is this normal behaviour for teething?

[Chickadee]

Well for the past 40 minutes, she has been screaming in her cot. She only quietens down if I hold her. As soon as I put her down she goes hysterical:(

She has been off her food today, didn't want her bottle tonight.

She is clean, dry, I think she is getting her 3rd tooth through as i can see the white line.

Is this normal behaviour for teething?
Yes, all those things can be normal for teething. But hasn't the poor sleeping been going on for awhile?

It's tough with her being so recently sick. Sometimes that can upset a bub's routines and patterns completely, and you may have to start from scratch again. I know that's not what you want to hear :(

[lil monkey]

Yeh it has but she would usually grizzle for 20 min max!

one hour later and she is still screaming!

She has been off today and wanting to sleep a lot, dribbling, chewing, off her food, very runny poos. We have given her teething tablets, bonjela and panadol but nothing is working.

I got hold of the baby whisperer and am seeing her next wednesday night. Downside is that it's an the in laws place with a portacot and not her usual room/

[Chickadee]

That's great that you got into her so quick. Hopefully the change of scenery won't matter much. Or if you get things solved at the in-laws maybe you could set up a portacot at home too :p

I know how frustrating it is. Chloe took 1.5 hours tonight, 30 minutes of that was crying. I just keep telling myself that it will pass and get better, it always has before and will this time too.

[lil monkey]

It's heartbreaking!

We caved and she is now up smiling away and happy as a clam on Dad's lap.

Just been reading the huggies forums and the amount of people there with exactly the same problems................

I don't care if she sleeps in a tent as long as she sleeps at night. :p

Apparently around this age they can have separation anxiety , add to that getting over the pox and teething...........

Oh happy days:(

[Chickadee]

Hmm. If Tayla is happy with her daddy, shouldn't you be in dreamland and letting them have some quality time time together? :D

Sleep, or lack of it, is a huge issue. I'm not surprised by what you saw on the other forum. The thing is that it is rarely a fully resolved issue, just when you think everything is sorted and baby is sleeping like an angel, something happens to trigger another round of sleep/settling problems.

I wish some nights that Chloe would co-sleep as that sounds to be the least stressful path for mums & dads, but she doesn't. She just plays in our bed or if I lay down with her. And at Taylas age she just wriggled and kicked and tossed and turned, so even if she was sleeping I wasn't.

[lil monkey]

That's exactly what she does in the bed with me but at least she's quiet sorta!

The crying in her sleep from 3am though is the problem .

Yeh, I probably should but the dogs across the road are barking anyway!

You should have been in bed ages ago - nearly midnight there!

[Chickadee]

Yes mum, I'm going now to bed now :) Wishing you sweet (and unbroken) dreams over there.

[lil monkey]

And same to you.......

Shes back in her cot screaming now - thank goodness for foxtel and the internet to keep me amused!

[reAllytee]

Oh I hope things settle down for you soon !
Poor bubs no wonder she isnt a happy chappy ! Coming back from having Chicken Pox as well as teething !
Hopefully she will get off to sleep & you can get some yourself.
** hugs **

[lil monkey]

Well we had some sort of success last night - YAHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :D :D

She was asleep by 915, in her cot. Every hour or so she would let out a little grizzle - must be when going from one sleep cycle to the next but she would resettle herself!

I got her up at 620 am, FROM HER OWN COT!!!!!!!! :D

She is still really tired this morning but my back isnt sore and I got at least 4 hours of straight sleep!

I kept tossing and turning though expecting her to cry and have to get her up in my bed. Then I worried that she had stopped breathing coz she wasn't crying.

Oh dear, fingers crossed she does it again and we are on the road to recovery! :rolleyes:

[reAllytee]

YAY !
Thats great well hang in there & hopefully the routine starts settling her & things will become easier remember it takes about a good week or 2 for it to really kick in or should i say thats what ive found ! Plus it then takes you another 2 or so weeks to get used to it heheheh I was like you in getting up freaking out cause bubs never woke & i wondered was he still breathing etc just wait till you both sleep all the way through & you wake early morning realising she hasnt woken you yet then thats when i found i nearly had called 000 because i thought something HAD to be wrong hehehe but no he had finally slept through.
I really do hope this continues for you & well done mummy ! :D

[lil monkey]

well things have progressively gone downhill...........

I don't know if she's teething , unwell, unsettled or what anymore but it is doing my head in!

She went from have 2 naps a day to barely having one a day now and if she does, it's for an hour only. Then the rest of the day she is grizzly and a right pain in the butt really as she needs constant entertainment.

Then, we give the bath, bottle and bed and she may drop off for half an hour and then she screams nonstop for up to 2 hours. We go in an try and resettle but that makes her screaming louder. we try to hold her to go to sleep and she thinks it's playtime. She's not hungry, doesn't need changing, not too hot or cold but we are at our wits end as to what's wrong and why she won't sleep.

She's now 10.5 months old and averaging 9 hours of sleep in a 24 hour period and it's a broken sleep.

Has anyone else experienced this around this age?:(

[reAllytee]

Yep my bubs is almost 10mths & is having a very broken sleep but its mainly due to teething a few weeks ago it was due to his two bottom teeth cutting through then he had another bothering him at the side which hasnt cut & gone back down & now he is currently cutting his two top teeth !!!! Im going nuts !!!! at least one is through but we are now waiting on the second.
Thats why i started the "Its official i hate teething" thread !!!!
I was always told expect bubs to have at least one "bad" day a week but this is just crazy guess this is pay back for having a few good months :(