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MotherNurture
18-02-2007, 07:09
We're all in agreement that circumcising male child is currently a legal parental choice.

The truth is, removing any part of the body not necessary to sustain life has potential medical benefits; for instance, cutting off my pinky fingers reduces the risk of hangnails by a whopping 20%, and hangnails can become infected and an infected finger may require antibiotics, hospitalization, surgery, etc.

Diabetes is virtually an epidemic, and if left unmanaged, especially later in life, it can interfere with healing, expecially in extremeties like the feet and toes. Even the tiniest injury to a toe can progress to infection, necrosis, and amputation; many diabetics eventually loose one or both of their legs for this reason. I'm sure we all know someone who's a diabetic, right? Would it be just or reasonable to remove the toes of infants routinely to prevent such complications later in life? What if you have a family history of diabetes? What if you have a diabetic relative in long-term care who became an amputee?

What makes a surgery ethical, on medical grounds, is whether the potential benefits outweigh the known risks. Purely cosmetic surgery, on healthy minors, in the absence of a birth defect, disease, or injury (like severe burns, or scarring from a car accident) seems no more ethical to me than tattooing a child against their will, subjecting a toddler to liposuction to remove 'baby fat', or forcing breast implants on an adolescent.

How much more personal, intimate, and sacred are the genitals of a non-consenting minor?

In another thread, I used the example of taking an infant's temperature, rectally. If there's concern regarding an illness/potential fever, we can all agree such an act would be just. However, inserting a similarly-sized object, without a medical purpose or cause, for an adult's 'personal reasons' would be considered by most of us to be unnecessarily violating and for many, clearly abusive.

Should messing with a minor's genitals, in any way that doesn't directly relate to medical or hygienic necessity be considered a valid parental choice? Why or why not? (Can you think of any situation, other than male circumcision, where this might be considered acceptable?)

Jen

sam's mum
18-02-2007, 09:44
I am with you Jen. My husband used the 'what if it gets infected' to try to convice me to circ. I told him sure - as long as we got his appendix out at the same time. After all - 'what if gets infected'.

melfunction
18-02-2007, 09:47
I am with you Jen. My husband used the 'what if it gets infected' to try to convice me to circ. I told him sure - as long as we got his appendix out at the same time. After all - 'what if gets infected'.

and his ears, sinuses, tonsils, adenoids, his toes 'in case' he gets an ingrown toenail etc......

MotherNurture
18-02-2007, 10:12
How about teeth? Gum disease, absesses, cavities...

Plenty of people thrive on soft foods and purees (infants and the elderly, for instance). How many people end up with extractions later in life? Wouldn't it be better to get it over and done with all at once?

Jen

Ashleigh<3
18-02-2007, 10:29
I stand with you on all of this.:)

Ashleigh<3
18-02-2007, 10:31
You're right, genital infections are not genetic.
Circumcising at birth is people getting ahead of themselves.

Milliner
18-02-2007, 10:54
I always agree with you MN

Shanaynay
18-02-2007, 11:39
Pregnancy really took it's toll on me - surely the best option would have been to give me a hysterectomy at birth :rolleyes:

I totally agree with you.
I don't believe removing part of a baby boys (or girls!) genitalia could, in the vast majority of cases, be a valid parenting choice.
The risk vs. benefit balance just isn't there :thumbsdown:

~Emmylou~
18-02-2007, 12:40
Should messing with a minor's genitals, in any way that doesn't directly relate to medical or hygienic necessity be considered a valid parental choice? Why or why not?

Jen

No it is not a valid parental choice. Removing a healthy part of someone's anatomy without good reason and without their consent is a violation of their most basic human rights. Hiding behind the argument that you are the parent and it's somehow your "job" to make these decisions does absolutely nothing to change that fact.

I've been over this and over this in my head a million times and I just cannot understand how anyone could think it is their "right" to do this to their son. It is HIS penis, NOT theirs. End of story.