Using cloth nappies doesn't use more water

[minime]

Ok so I started this thread because its something that continually comes up in debate and its usually the first thing that people comment on when I say I'm using cloth

It goes something like this.....'but aren't there water restrictions on and if you use cloth, you have to wash more and use more water??'

Well the fact of the matter is that using cloth doesnt mean more water....more water for me maybe but nothing that is majorally affecting my water bills, plus if you have a greywater system set up its WONDERFUL for your garden...plus people don't ever ever ever think of the amount of water used in the process of making a disposable nappy!

So this thread is here to hopefully pop up now and again to remind those sceptics out there that cloth nappies DON'T require more water! t

[stellarella]

Disposible users absolutely love these water restrictions as it makes them feel better cause they are using "less water".....

If they choose to use disposibles...fine! but please acknowledge the impact of these on the environment...its very important...if they feel they just simply cant do without disposibles maybe they could limit their impact on the environment elsewhere in their daily lives....

But dont make up all these arguments to justify yourself....especially when you know nothing of how MCN work!!

[KarniF00l]

There are sticky threads related to this.. and then some! Take the time and check them out! Who knows, you may learn a thing or two :)

Modern Cloth Nappies - Facts and other Useful Information (http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=62852)
Washing cloth nappies! The in's & out's (http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=63381)

Lots of great myths are broken in regards to cloth nappies but there's no use shoving it down people's throats if they aren't willing to listen so the choice is yours if you want to read it or not.

:)

[kymmy]

I think the arguement that disposables and cloth have a similar in environmental damage is over.
tbh I believed it too - one of the reasons why I started to use disposables with my first child at 3 weeks.
Whether you use cloth or disposables or a potty its a choice. But its nice to know ppl know its a choice.
I wrote an article on another parenting site and it made ppl think. One thing that suprises ppl is that Aus is suffering a drought yet I am selfish to use cloth! Disposables are made in Aus using ten times as much water than a cloth nappy going through a wash.
I am so grateful that I know that mcn is a choice for my family. I have used flats (soaking folding pins) disposables and modern cloth - I feel I have found the right choice for us.

[~Alicia]

Well said Kymmy :yes:

[westerner]

Disposible users absolutely love these water restrictions as it makes them feel better cause they are using "less water".....[B]

Just thought id clear it up and let you know that i do notlove water restrictions for any reason and it in no way affects the way i feel.. ;)

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[MCNmummyof2]

goose, minime was just stating the facts, because as cloth users we get a lot of **** because we are using a 'heap' of water to wash our nappies - when a lot of people dont understand just how much water is used in disposables.

If you think we are jumping down your throat - sorry, but in a cloth forum, you should really expect us to be pro cloth. We shouldnt have to put a disclaimer on every post, just saying that these are our own views and any offence taken by disposable users wasnt intentional

[cwsmum]

I was thinking today, what is everyone going to do if the water restrictions get to a point where we are limited to a certain ammount of water per day? Will you still use cloth or will you swap to sposies?

Just a thought that crossed my mind today when I was hanging out my 3rd load of washing and listening to the nappies wash :)

[the_queen]

Well, I'm certainly not going to switch to disposable underwear in order to save washing.... why should my baby be forced to wear disgusting paper and plastic on his sweet little butt, because of people's misconceptions?


JMO :) :hugs: Not intended to upset, offend, pre-judge or accuse anyone at all. :hugs: :)

[cheezelkat]

People who live on rain water use cloth....

I always choose low water on the washing machine, a a short cycle and let the drying process sanitise them.

[SorenLorensen]

*waving white flag while entering heated nappy land*

i have just realised (i takes me some time to think these days) you are pretty much going to get flack no matter what you do.

cloth get the whole "you use to much water" :shame:
disposibles get "you are creating land fill" :shame:

i use disposibles and dont hide that but i sure as heck would not turn around and a cloth person is using to much water, i mean come on even i dont belive that.

i will keep on creating future sporting feilds and recreation areas. and you can keep on washing your nappies everyday, and WHY because we choose to

[MonkeyMum05]

I haven't read this entire thread... so I'll duck for cover just incase I am in the way... :D

I am a cloth user... bit of both, at the moment...

something that comes up in my mind, when I am weighing up the pros and cons of using eco-disposables or goign back to full time cloth... is what about the energy use and water consumption involved in making modern cloth nappies on top of that used by me? and the biodegradability of them?

It's all so confusing, especially when we have such strict rules regarding our water useage, ikn our particular area?

Definately not trying to be rude, I am honestly seeking advice for my own peace of mind.

[stellarella]

Ive thought about this too....but even if you have 500 MCN you are not going to use as much energy as producing thousands of sposies...

And I dont know many clothies who have 500 nappies...though we all WISH we did...:D

[the_queen]

you can keep on washing your nappies everyday,


I don't think any clothie uses enough nappies to necessitate washing every day ;)


And,



cloth get the whole "you use to much water"
disposibles get "you are creating land fill"
You're right, both sides get flack from the other - except in your example, the flack the clothies get is a complete and utter lie. But no-one can deny that sposies create landfill.


JMO :hugs: :) No offense intended :)

[MrsMiggins]

I have just been through & deleted many off-topic & argumentative posts from this thread.

Please be reminded that posts of this nature will not be tolerated on bub hub. Any further posts which are deemed to be off-topic or argumentative will be deleted and warnings/infractions may be issued, and the thread could possibly be closed.

Thank you to those who have contributed constructively.

[SorenLorensen]

I don't think any clothie uses enough nappies to necessitate washing every day ;)


And,

You're right, both sides get flack from the other - except in your example, the flack the clothies get is a complete and utter lie. But no-one can deny that sposies create landfill.


JMO :hugs: :) No offense intended :)

totaly no offence taken i was just using it as and example, as i said
i use disposibles and dont hide that but i sure as heck would not turn around and a cloth person is using to much water, i mean come on even i dont belive that.

[SorenLorensen]

oh and i sorry i dont know how many nappies youwash and how offten but i am somewhat interested MABY not sure yet i MAY use them one day so if i do i guess i will find out :p
and to make it even more confusing i am a disposable user who makes MCNs :p

[stellarella]

and to make it even more confusing i am a disposable user who makes MCNs :p


Whaaaaat??:confused:

[SorenLorensen]

Whaaaaat??:confused:

a friend of mine was looking at them one day on the net and decided she wanted some and asked me to make them, so i did. and now i have friends left right and center asking for them, i must say they are pretty cute :p . i even made covers for my DD to go over her nappy that look like MCNs, hows that for cheeting :laughing:

[stellarella]

a friend of mine was looking at them one day on the net and decided she wanted some and asked me to make them, so i did. and now i have friends left right and center asking for them, i must say they are pretty cute :p . i even made covers for my DD to go over her nappy that look like MCNs, hows that for cheeting :laughing:

:shame: That is cheating...LOL...seeeee you wanna be a clothie mamma cause "all the cool kids wear cloth"....see see see...your embarassed you use sposies....*just kidding*:laughing:

[~Alicia]

:laughing::laughing:

[SorenLorensen]

"come on you know you want to, everybody cool is doing it" :laughing: :laughing:
to be honest i am to lazy, i hate washing, and i mean i hate it, mum and dad have a cleaner who come to their house who also does the washing and i take most of mine there :o and DP washes his work clothes himself (they stink)
i know that is really sad but my dad has asured i will grow up one day :laughing:
please dont judge me for being honest

[~Alicia]

"come on you know you want to, everybody cool is doing it" :laughing:
to be honest i am to lazy, i hate washing, and i mean i hate it, mum and dad have a cleaner who come to their house who also does the washing and i take most of mine there :o and DP washes his work clothes himself (they stink)
i know that is really sad but my dad has asured i will grow up one day :laughing:
please dont judge me for being honest

PMSL!!

Ohhh I need to go to bed :D

[cheezelkat]

:cool: Its OK to fake being cool LOL

[kymmy]

Is it ok I am not cool ?
(But my kids are )

[gremily]

Please read sig:D
Both my girls and I are cool and df is along for the ride:laughing:

[gremily]

Back to the OP, there is some fantastic info out there. Karnifool posted the BH ones, but also check out clothnappy.com as they have comparisions between cloth and sposies re water, electricity, etc. Plus Obsidian's site has some great comparisions for nappies, aswell as for us ladies re AF cloth vs disposable.

[KarniF00l]

I was thinking today, what is everyone going to do if the water restrictions get to a point where we are limited to a certain ammount of water per day? Will you still use cloth or will you swap to sposies?


Would you stop washing your clothes ?

No way in hell would i switch back to disposables if we were on dribs and drabs. Not even if you paid me to change over.

If we were limited to a certain amount of water per day it wouldn't make much difference to me anyhow seeing as though i throw my nappies in with clothes ect and wait until there's a full load then i turn the machine on. I don't wash my nappies separately, i see no need considering my clothes ect have never come out of the wash smelling like urine.

[Pippi Longstocking]

I was thinking today, what is everyone going to do if the water restrictions get to a point where we are limited to a certain ammount of water per day? Will you still use cloth or will you swap to sposies?

Just a thought that crossed my mind today when I was hanging out my 3rd load of washing and listening to the nappies wash :)

I would cut back in other ways but I wouldn't use 'sposies. :no: I would let Shine go bare bum more often:D and keep doing the stuff I do anyway - only ever wash a full load, get the kids to share their bath water, have quick showers and use any waste water on the garden. :thumbsup:
I have just moved from a place that had level 4 water restrictions to here where there are no restrictions at all but I'm going to make sure we don't get slack and ease up on our water conservation habits. It has just become a lifestyle and I don't want that to slip - we can all do our bit, hey!

[gremily]

It has just become a lifestyle and I don't want that to slip - we can all do our bit, hey!

It does become a lifestyle. Once the habit has been formed it just becomes the norm.:thumbsup:

[beeware]

Go Karnifool. I wash nappies with everything else too & seriously do no more washing than I did before- there's usually always room to stuff 5 nappies or so in the machine. Front loaders use a lot less water too!! Maybe that's something to think about....
As for the water & energy used to produce MCNs, this can be counteracted by passing nappies onto friends or selling them. There seems to be a great 2nd hand market in nappies of the modern cloth variety. Think about your clothes. We all have way too many clothes yet most of have no qualms about buying more.
And yeah..I'm certainly not keen on plastic underwear myself. Cloth is beautiful, breathable & a lot more natural!
I think it would be good to use a lot of this "chat" energy lobbying govt for stricter environmental controls on industry including water usage.
At the end of the day this planet will be inherited by our children...in what state??

[ikis84]

In regards to the energy used to produce MCN - hemp as a crop uses very little water to produce compared to cotton. Just a tidbit of information there :)

I agree, it is a lifestyle - once the habit of washing is formed, it takes very little effort - I would say, it would be harder for me to buy sposies all the time than to wash nappies every few days! I also pop other things in with the nappies to make a full load - other baby clothes, towels etc. I use the rinse water on the garden etc.
I too, would cut back on other water uses before I would use sposies.

[~Kimba~]

Well if it comes down to the number of washloads - I find that I'm not washing as many of DS's clothes or sheets as some of my sposie-using friends do, because his cloth nappies don't leak all over his pants several times a day, or his bed every night! :laughing:

Come to think of it he hardly wears pants at the moment anyway, he's just in a nappy most of the time so there you go, even less washing ;)

I too chuck the nappies in with other things or throw other things in with the nappy load - A few MCN's a day don't take up a lot of room in the machine so I'm not really doing more loads at all. Especially if I'm doing specific loads of towels, colours or whites (which I am sure even sposie users would admit they wash in separate loads?) there's always room for a few MCN's.

And like Pam said, if we choose MCN fabrics made from sustainable crops like hemp and bamboo they use a lot less water in the growing process. (yet another reason to love bamboo! :laughing:) Correct me if I'm wrong but I also read if you choose 'unbleached' fabrics there's even less water in the production process.

[kymmy]

Would you use plastic cutlery so you can stop washing dishes?

Most bamboo and hemp and organic cotton is grown where there is an abundance of water - not in Australia.

[kymmy]

If you want you can get bamboo cutlery. :D

[Gumby]

Would you use plastic cutlery so you can stop washing dishes?

Most bamboo and hemp and organic cotton is grown where there is an abundance of water - not in Australia.

I think I read somewhere too that disposables are manufactured in australia, so are using our water to cover the worlds babys bum in plastic and paper?

[kymmy]

I know the major dispsable nappies are made in Aus so they are using our precious water to make them. It takes a lot of water to turn wood pulp into paper.

[~Kimba~]

Would you use plastic cutlery so you can stop washing dishes?

Exactly! :yes:

[gremily]

Sorry if this is kind of hijacking but seeing as we're talking a bit about sustainable crops I thought this might be interesting to some of you. Also see the Ecofibre Industries Limited website or Hemp Resources website, both Aussie. Take note of the first 2 facts.:thumbsup:

Facts About Hemp

1 Growing hemp utilises ground water and therefore significantly reduces salinity.
2 The deep root can reach superficial ground water and solar pumps can access deeper water for irrigation.
3 Hemp does not usually require herbicides and pesticides, whereas cotton uses massive herbicides and pesticides degrading water supplies.
4 Until 1883, more than three quarters of the world's paper was made from Hemp fibre;
5 In Elizabethan times, farmers were fined for not growing Hemp;
6 A Hemp crop produces nearly four times as much raw fibre as an equivalent-sized tree plantation;
7 Trees take approximately 20 years to mature.
8 Hemp takes 4 months;
9 Hemp fibre needs no pesticides;
10 Hemp needs no herbicides because it grows too quickly for any weed to compete;
11 Hemp paper does not need chlorine bleach, which pollutes rivers near wood-pulp paper mills;
12 Hemp paper is stronger, finer and longer-lasting than wood-based papers;
13 Hemp paper is used for bank notes and archival papers;
14 The earliest-known woven fabric was apparently of Hemp, which began to be worked approximately 8,000-7,000 BC;
15For more than a thousand years before the time of Christ until 1883 AD, Cannabis/Hemp was our planet's largest agricultural crop and most important industry for thousands of products and enterprises, producing the overall majority of the earth's fibre, fabric, lighting oil, paper, incense and medicines, as well as being a primary source of protein for humans and animals alike;
16 The war between America and Great Britain in 1812 was mainly about access to Russian Hemp;
17 Napoleon's principle reason for tragically invading Russia in 1812 was also due to Russian Hemp supplies!
18 The word 'linen', until the early 1800s meant any fine fabrics made from Hemp or flax;
19Cannabis oil was mentioned by name in the Bible. Apparently, etymologists at Hebrew University, Jerusalem, confirmed that 'kineboisin' (also spelled 'kannabosm") referred to cannabis used in a holy ointment. N.B. King James mistranslated the word as 'calamus' in his version;
20 Hempseed oil is said to burn the brightest of all lamp oils, and has been used since the days of Abraham. Scythians used to purify and cleanse themselves with Hemp oil, which made their skin "shining and clean";
21 Our forests, what is left of them, are being cut down 3 times as fast as they can grow.;
22 Japan is targeting that 10% of paper must be from non-wood fibres by 2005;
23 Further, hemp fibre has been found to be a lighter, stronger alternative to fibreglass;
24 Hemp offers a valuable and sustainable fuel of the future, "growing oil wells". Hemp has an output equivalent to around 1000 gallons of methanol per acre year (10 tons Biomass/acre, each yielding 100 gal. methanol/ton). Methanol used today is mainly made from natural gas, a fossil fuel. Methanol is currently being studied as a primary fuel for automobiles.

[the_queen]

Gives ya the munchies too :laughing:

*ahem* sorry - Gremily, great info :thumbsup:

[gremily]

Gives ya the munchies too :laughing:

*ahem* sorry - Gremily, great info :thumbsup:

Now you should know hemp doesn't have any THC:D :laughing:

[the_queen]

:laughing: I know - but I wanted someone to point it out so that everyone else knows...

My dad always teases me that I put "marijuana" on my baby's butt... :rolleyes:

[gremily]

:laughing: I know - but I wanted someone to point it out so that everyone else knows...

My dad always teases me that I put "marijuana" on my baby's butt... :rolleyes:

pmsl:D

[mum2charli]

PMSL Queenie, I get this from friends questioning me about cloth all the time :laughing:

[kymmy]

Hemp is amazing - sustainable product - long lasting. Great info gremily!

[Seekrit]

I"m going back to a quick querie...

As clothies (I included) we're quick to say that during water restrctions etc Cloth isn't as bad because it uses less water than the manufacturing of 'sposies.

But which brands of 'sposies are made in Australia... I mean fully produced?

[our little treasures]

Now that is a good question.

[Pobblebonk]

I'm new to MCN and my stash has grown to 9 in 3 weeks, so getting bigger all the time.

I still have disposables left over from a bag of 76 from the LAST time I bought them over a month ago!

I just put them in my wash with everything else.

[kymmy]

From memory Huggies is Aus made (though you can get imports).I did a quick google and others are Joeys, My bear, Bebes, Standard First Quality.

[our little treasures]

So my sposies are from BELGIUM so the process of making them had no effect on our water supplies!

[gremily]

Does it really matter where there from? Shouldn't it be a global issue? What about the football fields of trees that are feld in the Amazon for nappies/toilet paper and tissues (Kleenex:mad: )/wood supplies, etc? It may be offshore and not directly effecting us but in the long run we are a part of this world and what happens in each country/city/town will. IMO.

[HoopDeeDoo]

I think thats the problem people don't think globaly about things. The reason that there is global warming is because everyone is doing the wrong things, and nobody wants to take responsability and change practices so we can fix the problem :banghead:

Anyway when things start changing and they will be soon because we have to as a planet make changes - everyone who is digging thier heals in about things like using disposable nappies will be changing thier tunes.
Or be complaining about how inconvenient it is while the planet increases in tempreature by 6 degrees, and there are millions of people being made refugees because the ice caps have melted and their countries don't exsist anymore

[HoopDeeDoo]

Oh hang on a seck I forgot it's not our problem - it will be our grankids who have to worry about things like that :rolleyes:

[our little treasures]

Didn't this thread say that the manufacturing of the nappies use more water? You want to let everyone know that cloths don't use as much water, well I am saying that the nappies I use are not from here so there for it didn't affect Australians water struggles. IYKWIM

Some do care about the enviroment but some of us believe that there is heaps of other things contributing. If your going to say that about nappies than it goes with all electrical things as well. As I believe to try and stop the global warming we have to stop using as much power etc. I don't seemany people reverting back to no lights just candles walking miles everywhere etc etc. If your saying people don't care about the enviroment because they use disposables nappies that is just outrages!!

Another point is the experts are not even 100% sure that global warming is due to humans.

I mean the dinosaurs were not using disposables or tvs and the rest but somehow they became extinct. So maybe just maybe our time will end regardless of our actions!

[Pippi Longstocking]

Didn't this thread say that the manufacturing of the nappies use more water? You want to let everyone know that cloths don't use as much water, well I am saying that the nappies I use are not from here so there for it didn't affect Australians water struggles. IYKWIM But it still does impact globally so is a valid point. Disposables nappies do contribute to Australia's landfill issues which is another way they negatively impact our country.


Some do care about the enviroment but some of us believe that there is heaps of other things contributing. If your going to say that about nappies than it goes with all electrical things as well. As I believe to try and stop the global warming we have to stop using as much power etc. I don't seemany people reverting back to no lights just candles walking miles everywhere etc etc. If your saying people don't care about the enviroment because they use disposables nappies that is just outrages!! The fact that I choose to use cloth nappies on my baby's bum yet use electric lights does not mean I am not environmentally aware. To suggest that making environmental choices are invalid if we do not abstain from using any electricity/creating landfill/etc is "outrages" (sic) indeed. There are other measure we can take to make sure we make as small a global footprint as is possible. As well as choosing to use cloth nappies, I use energy saving lightbulbs, I try to conserve fuel where possible and I make sure appliances are switched off when not in use. But even if I didn't do all of those other things, in no way would that undermine the fact that by using cloth nappies, I am making less impact on the environment. You don't have to do it all to make a difference, every little bit helps.


Another point is the experts are not even 100% sure that global warming is due to humans. I think the stats were 95% sure that we are responsible? it's pretty close to 100%.....


I mean the dinosaurs were not using disposables or tvs and the rest but somehow they became extinct. So maybe just maybe our time will end regardless of our actions!
Maybe someone left the fridge door open and it caused an ice age? ;)

[our little treasures]

But it still does impact globally so is a valid point. Disposables nappies do contribute to Australia's landfill issues which is another way they negatively impact our country.

The fact that I choose to use cloth nappies on my baby's bum yet use electric lights does not mean I am not environmentally aware. To suggest that making environmental choices are invalid if we do not abstain from using any electricity/creating landfill/etc is "outrages" (sic) indeed. There are other measure we can take to make sure we make as small a global footprint as is possible. As well as choosing to use cloth nappies, I use energy saving lightbulbs, I try to conserve fuel where possible and I make sure appliances are switched off when not in use. But even if I didn't do all of those other things, in no way would that undermine the fact that by using cloth nappies, I am making less impact on the environment. You don't have to do it all to make a difference, every little bit helps.

I think the stats were 95% sure that we are responsible? it's pretty close to 100%.....


Maybe someone left the fridge door open and it caused an ice age? ;)

That is what I was trying to get at. I am happy for you and the other guys that do use cloth but sick of hearing about it, honestly!! We do our bit to help but by using cloth doesn't make people better at it than others!!

[Pippi Longstocking]

That is what I was trying to get at. I am happy for you and the other guys that do use cloth but sick of hearing about it, honestly!! Pssst Lovey, you are in the cloth nappies section of the forum. While it is open to all members, if you are indeed sick of hearing all about the wonders of cloth nappies, I'd suggest not reading the threads specifically dedicated to talking about how great they are....


We do our bit to help but by using cloth doesn't make people better at it than others!!

Using cloth certainly makes me feel better about my impact on the planet *shrugs*

[KarniF00l]

Our little treasures - I don't think anyone (especially cloth users) has ever said that we are better than disposable users, maybe just blowing it out of proportion ?

Yes some people do try and push it down other's throats which i think is the wrong way to go about it.. but there are facts that most people are misinformed about and i don't see what's wrong with putting the right information out there for everyone to know about. This is exactly what the thread is about, FACTS not making people feel guilty.

I know if i was misinformed about something, i would sure as hell would like to know the correct information.

In the end we are all doing what's best for our families and that's all there is to it. I guess some people are more passionate about landfill and our childrens and grandchildren's ect.. future than other's.

[our little treasures]

I am in the cloth section because indeed I used cloth full time with my dd, I am going to use some mcn on #3 but even when I used them full time I never made another mum feel like she wasn't doing her bit! Infact it was actually not the in thing to do (use cloths) now it seems it is and making others feel bad for their choices is as well I see!

The threads go fine until some make digs about how we couldn't care less about the landfill yadda yadda. They can make all the comments they like but if a sposie user tries to defend it gets taken off and deleted!! Doesn't seem right to me!!

[the_queen]

*blinks* you mean... I'm in the "in crowd"??? :D :D
:laughing:

OLT, the point of this thread was to destroy the myth that using cloth uses more water. A lot of sposie users don't realise how much water goes into the manufacture of single-use nappies. And a lot of sposie users don't realise how easy it is to use MCN. That's all. It is kinda silly to defend sposie use on environmental grounds - surely nobody uses sposies for any other reason than laziness?

[the_queen]

Laziness, as in, can't be bothered washing cloth nappies. It's not an insult, it's an observation. I tried using cloth with DD, and was too lazy to keep it up.

[our little treasures]

I think thats the problem people don't think globaly about things. The reason that there is global warming is because everyone is doing the wrong things, and nobody wants to take responsability and change practices so we can fix the problem :banghead:

Anyway when things start changing and they will be soon because we have to as a planet make changes - everyone who is digging thier heals in about things like using disposable nappies will be changing thier tunes.
Or be complaining about how inconvenient it is while the planet increases in tempreature by 6 degrees, and there are millions of people being made refugees because the ice caps have melted and their countries don't exsist anymore

This is where the information becomes judging, it happens a lot! I like all the threads in the cloth section. I do want to use them again but find all of this makes me want to just stay in my sposie land...

Just being honest I have followed this thread all the way through and only madecomments when judging was made!

[KarniF00l]

If people are feeling bad then that's their prerogative. We aren't trying to make them feel guilty so if they are feeling guilt ridden then maybe something is sinking in ?

You can not MAKE people feel guilty, guilt comes on it's own :yes:

[our little treasures]

Laziness, as in, can't be bothered washing cloth nappies. It's not an insult, it's an observation. I tried using cloth with DD, and was too lazy to keep it up.

I know I am lazy when it came to ds as well!! I know it is a great thread I have said that but not when there is judging. I think it is great that people arepassionate about nappies but it doesn't make one mum better than the other and that is the impression I am getting!!

[our little treasures]

Argh! When I have #3 if I do use cloths again I will never contribute to making another feel they are not making a difference.

[mum2charli]

I don't think anyone is saying that using cloth makes people better mums :no: Only they care about the impact they have on the environment when using disposables.

That is not to say that disposable users don't care at all about the environment either. It is just one of many choices you can make to help try and make a difference that some people are passionate about :yes:

If you arn't then so be it. Keep helping in other ways you are passionate about :thumbsup:

[Sheer Bliss]

This has gotten totally off topic here - but i have to add my 2c worth anyway :D .

Mostly I LOVE threads like this that provide info that you might otherwise be unaware of. As a sposie user for years i never realised how much of an impact it had on the enviroment, and i too thought the power/water increase would probably outweigh any positives of cloth. I have changed my views on this now, but don't think anyone else should feel guilty for either their lack of knowledge or their choice.

I DO take offence to people saying laziness is a reason for using disposables. I don't think i was too lazy to wash nappies when DD used sposies - i just had different priorities on my time & a lack of knowledge about other options. When i went back to work - i had less time to spend with DD, and i'd rather that have been quality time playing, drawing, reading etc. I had time and energy to use cloth nappies - but chose to prioritise my time to be with her - it had nothing to do with laziness. Everyone has different circumstances, and we all use the nappies we do for different reasons. I am all for people getting more information so they realise what choices they have, but to say that nobody uses disposables for any reason other than laziness is a tad closeminded.

BTW - I can't remember where this came from - but if one of the larger volcanos errupt (can't remember which one) it will most likely create more earth damaging gases than humans have created in our time on earth. Just a little perspective...

[the_queen]

Tan: Your reasons for not using cloth sound really ignorant - and again, that word sounds offensive but I'm just being descriptive - do you know what is involved in washing cloth nappies? Chuck 'em in the machine and wash. Just like clothes.

What other reason is there for using disposables? Apart from choosing not to (because of not wanting to wash nappies) and not having correct information about what it involves - what other reason is there for using disposables??

[BlueGin]

I think it's great for people to make any environmentally wise choices, the more the better! So if someone who is passionate about the environmental impact they make chooses disposables due to lack of/poor information... it seems a great pity! So a thread like this can be a very positive thing, and as someone said, noone can make you feel guilty about anything- the guilt comes from inside.

As for being the "in-thing"... I wish it was, but sadly it only seems "in" in the land of Bubhub. In real life we seem to be the minority, and frequently freakish! I had yet another family member yesterday telling me I was gross because I'm not going to buy a second washing machine to wash the nappies in :rolleyes:
Yet the second I start commenting on this flawed logic their eyes glaze over and the topic changes...

[mum2charli]

You can not MAKE people feel guilty, guilt comes on it's own :yes:

Well said Loz :thumbsup:

[the_queen]

Blue, sadly that's mostly because people would rather just stubbornly stick to their misinformation - if they admitted that they didn't know something, then it might ruin the facade of omnipotence :rolleyes:

[BlueGin]

I think you may be on to something there Queen :rolleyes:

(with my family members at least... I think that another reason is that if they admit that it isn't disgusting, and is environmentally friendly then they may feel obliged to actually do something about it!) :eek: ;)

[Pobblebonk]

The one thing that put me off using cloth in the beginning was the fact that (and OMG this is going to sound sooooooo lazy!) cloth to me was the square ones and I didn't want to have to soak, wash, fold, pin etc.

But now that I know about MCNs (THANKS to Bub Hubbers!), there was really no excuse. Even the cost part of it wasn't an excuse for me because of the money I will save in the long run.

The other big deciding factor was that I want Mr Chicken to be proud of me for 'doing my bit' for the world he will inherit from all of us. I only wish I knew about MCNs earlier as I would have started using them sooner! When I have my next bub, disposables will NOT be an option.

I'm PROUD to be a MCN user. *stands up tall*

[Sheer Bliss]

Tan: Your reasons for not using cloth sound really ignorant - and again, that word sounds offensive but I'm just being descriptive - do you know what is involved in washing cloth nappies? Chuck 'em in the machine and wash. Just like clothes.

What other reason is there for using disposables? Apart from choosing not to (because of not wanting to wash nappies) and not having correct information about what it involves - what other reason is there for using disposables??

Umm... I am actually a cloth user - now. Just started building up a stash a few months ago for DD & I plan on using cloth full-time on both her & DS by the time he is born. I didn't use them before because I WAS unaware of the other options out there, NOT because i was lazy. I honestly used to think that the detergents, soaking chemicals and extra electricity consumption from cloth were just as bad for the environment as disposables. Now that i know what is out there I think it is great, and i have been shown via posts here which prompted my own research into the environmental factors - which is why i said I am all for threads that provide info to otherwise unknowing 'ignorant' people.

[westerner]

surely nobody uses sposies for any other reason than laziness?

:eek:
*grabs the can opener from the draw and passes it to the_queen*

Thats ALOT of worms... :rolleyes:

:laughing: :p

[MCNmummyof2]

:laughing:BlueGin, Im glad Im not the only one with freakish friends/family that seems to think a new washing machine is needed in order to wash cloth nappies, so that you clothes dont go where poo has been lmao!!

All in all, cloth is the most environmentally friendly option, no denying it at all. I think more advertising etc need to be done about MCN - cause then I wouldnt have used disposables for a year!!! IM wondering whether sunrise or someone else would do a segment on it? I know a lot of the mums I know watch that show!!

[BlueGin]

LOL, yeah, I asked them if they handwash their tea-towels or put them in the machine which had washed their skiddy undies! he he

[xkwzit]

I think that this thread has degenerated into an argument and it needs to get back on track. The original post was about the relative amounts of water used in making disposables vs washing cloth nappies. If further argument occurs, this thread will be closed. I think that would be a shame.

Cheers

[the_queen]

Umm... I am actually a cloth user - now. Just started building up a stash a few months ago for DD & I plan on using cloth full-time on both her & DS by the time he is born. I didn't use them before because I WAS unaware of the other options out there, NOT because i was lazy. I honestly used to think that the detergents, soaking chemicals and extra electricity consumption from cloth were just as bad for the environment as disposables. Now that i know what is out there I think it is great, and i have been shown via posts here which prompted my own research into the environmental factors - which is why i said I am all for threads that provide info to otherwise unknowing 'ignorant' people.

We agree! I'm perhaps using provocative wording but "ignorant" does not mean "stupid" - it just means "you don't know the info" and you and I agree that threads like this provide that info for people who haven't seen the light yet.


I'm gunna take my can-opener and go open a can o' whoop-*** on myself, I didn't mean to make this an argument, sorry moddly one :o

[gremily]

All in all, cloth is the most environmentally friendly option, no denying it at all. I think more advertising etc need to be done about MCN - cause then I wouldnt have used disposables for a year!!! IM wondering whether sunrise or someone else would do a segment on it? I know a lot of the mums I know watch that show!!

Sunrise has done a couple of segments, Weenees and Tots Bots I think. Kochie was all for it and extremely positive but both Mel and Nat couldn't be any less impressed:thumbsdown:
Advertising of MCN is hard when the majority are made by WAHM's who don't have the money for hard hitting advertising.
Things like Real Nappy Week (in March) are great for getting cloth out there to the ppl. You can help out at those sort of things if you want.:thumbsup:


Re Water: My dd1 (8yrs) and I had a great conversation regarding recycled water last night. She saw an ad on Ch 7 promoting a story coming up on the subject and they showed a shot of sewerage when they said about tasting recycled water. Dd1 was all "ewwwwww!" when she saw it, but once I explained the facts (is cleaner than the water we drink now, is used in hospitals in UK, the better alternative to desalination, etc) she thought it was pretty cool.
Our News/advertising has an intergral role in how society feels about certain issues. If recycled water is referred to as cleaned up sewerage then of course ppl are going to revolt against it.
In the Sunrise issue re nappies, with Mel and Nat not overly supporting cloth (not necessarily verbally but we all know actions speak louder than words) that effects how viewers will react (trying cloth vs disposables).

Hope all this makes sense. My brain is overloading with things I want to say but I keep getting ahead of myself!

[waawa]

Sunrise has done a couple of segments, Weenees and Tots Bots I think.

Most recently, they featured Kidz in Cloth.
www.ozclothnappies.org
scroll down to
"Cloth Nappies on Sunrise: Eco Reno".

Lara

[MCNmummyof2]

lol, sorry girls, i guess i should have checked up first! Hubby is the avid sunrise watcher in this house lol. Im too busy on bubhub

[MCNmummyof2]

Things like Real Nappy Week (in March) are great for getting cloth out there to the ppl. You can help out at those sort of things if you want.:thumbsup:

How can I help with this? (sorry a bit ot I know)

[V8]

I think it's great there there are so many people passionate about the benefits of modern cloth nappies. Before i joined bubhub, i knew absolutely nothing about them. When i was pregnant i was adamant i was going to use cloth and had 2 dozen cloth nappies, i used them probably about 6 times though after i realised how much effort was in them and that they didn't work all that well either, so more time was spent doing extra washing on clothes, sheets and my clothes etc.

Feeling deflated about it i went back to sposies and really didn't think twice about it. But i always wished there was some other option. Thank goodness i found bubhub and found out all i needed to know to get started with MCN. I definately think i was a tad ignorant about sposies and the environmental impact.

So keep sharing the info girls, i think in time many people will start looking into other options other than sposies and have fun doing it too. :D

[waawa]

How can I help with this? (sorry a bit ot I know)

Come and join up at
http://modernclothnappies.firechildcreations.com/forum/
and offer your help! That would be great :)

Lara

[kymmy]

I use cloth cos I AM lazy.

I am thinking more about water use now which can only be a good thing. Not cos I use cloth, but cos I am more open to the options we have. I feel so grateful that we have choices.
I wonder if ppl think it would take less water to have a baby in no nappies? I wonder what the difference in washing would be?

[stellarella]

You can not MAKE people feel guilty, guilt comes on it's own :yes:

You have hit the nail right on the head Karni :yelclap:

This applies to soooo many issues aswell, apart from nappies....In fact I think you could apply it to most topics raised on bubhub...

It is always those who know they could be doing more...or know they really have no excuse, who feel the need to take every comment as a direct insult and feel the need to defend it with down right nasty and grossly out of proportion comments!!

If you are confident and happy with what you do/how you live then you dont take it personally at all....you just ignore it!!

[gremily]

I wonder if ppl think it would take less water to have a baby in no nappies? I wonder what the difference in washing would be?

I began ECing early on. Could get dd2 to the toilet for poo's (her signals were obvious and I could get her to the loo on time), but wees were harder and I just couldn't work out her signal. Mind you I didn't make it my No. 1 priority. I slacked off though much to my disappointment now.
Dd2 spends 1/2 the day without a nappy (no carpet) which I'd say is about 2 nappies. She has started taking interest in the toilet (not to sit on though, but to get bits of toilet paper, flannels, dd1's undies and dangle them in the water:eek: :laughing: ) but seems to wee not longer after standing there. I'm thinking it may be a sign!
If she wee's on the floor I have old terry flats I use to wipe it up, and they get washed if they can fit in with a load of clothes (sometimes they sit in the laundry for at least a week but doesn't make much difference).

Anyway, ECer's are toielt trained months if not years earlier than nappied bubs. I'd have to say that saves ALOT of water, including days where they seem to wee on the floor nonstop!!

[kymmy]

Thanks Gremily.
Not that I feel guilty (for want of a better word) but I think no nappies are best, though I would still use cloth if I need to. Prefolds and flats would get their work out.
I have no nappy time often though with Av. Would like to see how it would go with a newborn.

[stellarella]

This is not trying to have a go at anyone at all....however I think lots of people like to cry "ignorant"...not trying to say im this holier-than-thou citizen or anything....bloody hell....I am far far from anything resembling perfect...however I think people need to take some action and responsibilty for themselves and their decisions.

I mean...I didnt know a soul who used cloth or anything about MCN...but there is such thing as being proactive and doing some research!!

All it takes is a bit of googling and a whole world opens up...

DS was in cloth fulltime from day one....I have never purchased a single disposible and had many offers from relos to help me stock up before bub was born...I refused. I didnt know anything about all the different types but I found eenees and bought a whole set. Now I realise how many different options there are and im adding to my stash.

Im just trying to say that although I agree about lack of advertising and info out there for MCN...I think everyone needs to take more responsibilty for the earth and not be spoon fed all their information and if they dont read about it in "practical parenting" then thay dont bother to try and find anything else out...

Anyway....dont want to offend anyone...please read signature...:p

[gremily]

It's definitely not just a one week trial to get it right iykwim! It really takes time to work out their signals. If I had another bub (IF!!) I would be gungho about EC and try my darndest from the 1st day. Like it was said earlier regarding lifestyle, EC needs to be that. It can't just be every now and again.

Then again, ECing means missing out on those fantastic nappies. What a dilemma that would be:eek: :D

[gremily]

All it takes is a bit of googling and a whole world opens up...

While I agree with most of what you're saying not everyone has access to the internet (although it is becoming the norm now). Sometimes it's hard to know what to look for if you don't know what it is you're meant to find and where (oh god, did that make sense?!).

I have a ring sling that I have ppl comment on - "wow, that's amazing! What is it?" etc, and geez, I would have thought they were pretty well known. But like I said if you have no idea about it then you're not going to search.
I think it's been said before, many many ppl still think of terry flats, pins and soaking when imagining cloth and don't think there could possibly be anything else.

You are correct in saying ppl need to take action and responsibility for themselves:thumbsup: .

[MCNmummyof2]

stellarella, you got me cracking up at your disclaimer!! I think we all need one of those lol.

Im gonna do my darn best-est to let ppl know about mcn lmao. I swear the girls at mums group see me coming lol, nappies in hand. And if someone asks me in the change room, I have a good ol chat to them! We can get more to join the cloth nappy 'cult' lol, we save you money on disposables (and then get u to spend it all on cute cloth nappies cough cough!)

[HoopDeeDoo]

I think thats the problem people don't think globaly about things. The reason that there is global warming is because everyone is doing the wrong things, and nobody wants to take responsability and change practices so we can fix the problem :banghead:

Anyway when things start changing and they will be soon because we have to as a planet make changes - everyone who is digging thier heals in about things like using disposable nappies will be changing thier tunes.
Or be complaining about how inconvenient it is while the planet increases in tempreature by 6 degrees, and there are millions of people being made refugees because the ice caps have melted and their countries don't exsist anymore


This is where the information becomes judging, it happens a lot! I like all the threads in the cloth section. I do want to use them again but find all of this makes me want to just stay in my sposie land...

Just being honest I have followed this thread all the way through and only madecomments when judging was made!

Where was my comment 'judging'? It it was observational comment. The world is changing, and things like the way disposable nappies are being manufactured are going to have to change.

What I meant by my comments is that some people aren't willing to take on board any of the relevent information about things like cloth nappies, hence this thread talking about the misconception that cloth uses more water then disposables.

At no point did I say sposie users should feel guilty about thier choice, or they were bad people for using sposies, for crying out loud I used sposies before I knew about MCN. If you feel guilty about using sposies, maybe you should give MCN a go instead of making comments like, "But my sposies are made in Belgium so it doesn't effect the water usage in Australia." Hence my comment about people not seeing water usage as a global issue.

I can highly recommened Al Gores Speech about protecting the environment, not sure where to link to sorry, my DH downloaded it to watch. It sure did open my eyes, and was very well explained about whats going on and how it relates to events in the past etc.

[MammaSoni]

I can highly recommened Al Gores Speech about protecting the environment, not sure where to link to sorry, my DH downloaded it to watch. It sure did open my eyes, and was very well explained about whats going on and how it relates to events in the past etc.

Click here for the link (http://www.climatecrisis.net/)

I have just recently watched this DVD and it was a real eye opener. Scared the beejesus out of me! :eek: And made me angry about the fact that we know we have a problem and no one is doing enough to fix it - which by the way can be fixed if EVERYONE does their bit.

Now that I am a parent I am really concerned about the environmental impact that I make as it will effect my children's future.

[pookiesossige]

I"m going back to a quick querie...

As clothies (I included) we're quick to say that during water restrctions etc Cloth isn't as bad because it uses less water than the manufacturing of 'sposies.

But which brands of 'sposies are made in Australia... I mean fully produced?

Kimberly Clarke, right here in my town :yes:



So my sposies are from BELGIUM so the process of making them had no effect on our water supplies!

Is your used nappy going back to Belgium?

[pookiesossige]

Click here for the link (http://www.climatecrisis.net/)

I have just recently watched this DVD and it was a real eye opener. Scared the beejesus out of me! :eek: And made me angry about the fact that we know we have a problem and no one is doing enough to fix it - which by the way can be fixed if EVERYONE does their bit.

Now that I am a parent I am really concerned about the environmental impact that I make as it will effect my children's future.


Thanks SO much for that link... that trailer was truly frightening... I'd love to watch the movie. A lot of us need to watch this, meethinks :yes:

[Mummita]

Yep i'll 'fess up ~ I use sposies out of sheer laziness (i don't care no-one knows where I live so you can't come egg my house hehe).

But just wanted to let you know that some people use sposies for other reasons - 2 of my friends used MCNs and they gave their bubs really bad nappy rash & found that sposies didn't.

[kirstenriley]

quickie re water usage,

If you wash your nappies in with your "normal" wash, what do you do about washing powder..do you still use less and do you do a rinse after washing or still pre washing????

P.S I love this thread :D

[ikis84]

I use less washing powder on all my clothes, unless they are really dirty with grease or fat, etc. My clothes come out clean :) I just do a normal long wash (which soaks for about 30mins).

[little_fish]

I am pro cloth, but when I was trying to search for arguments to convince my MIL that cloth was better, I found that the University of Queensland was doing a study, and found that the water it takes to grow the cotton combined with nappy washing, puts the cloth nappies slightly worse than disposables. I didn't notice them mention anything about bamboo or hemp, or about what sort of washing machine you use... Just thought maybe we should consider manufacturing costs for both sides :)

BTW, are there laws about putting grey water that contains human faeces and urine on your garden? Just genuinely curious.

[MonkeyMum05]

Thank you, little_fish. This is the kind of information I was interested in.
There are certain eco-disposables which I think may actually have less environmental impact than cloth nappies, particuarly some of the modern cloths.
Do you have a link to any further information?

[KarniF00l]

I use less washing powder on all my clothes, unless they are really dirty with grease or fat, etc. My clothes come out clean :) I just do a normal long wash (which soaks for about 30mins).

Yep i do the same Pam. Although the powder i use you only need a very small amount. Also you only need so much that the water has a very small amount of bubbles on the top when it's washing.




BTW, are there laws about putting grey water that contains human faeces and urine on your garden? Just genuinely curious.

It is very illegal to put human faeces in garden beds because it can seep into the water table.

Somehow i don't think anyone throws their nappies into the wash without rinsing off poo first.. this is where a 'little squirts' that hooks into your toilet system comes in handy.. and again, uses very little water because of the triggered pressure :D

[gremily]

I am pro cloth, but when I was trying to search for arguments to convince my MIL that cloth was better, I found that the University of Queensland was doing a study, and found that the water it takes to grow the cotton combined with nappy washing, puts the cloth nappies slightly worse than disposables. I didn't notice them mention anything about bamboo or hemp, or about what sort of washing machine you use... Just thought maybe we should consider manufacturing costs for both sides :)

BTW, are there laws about putting grey water that contains human faeces and urine on your garden? Just genuinely curious.

The University of QLD's study does not take into consideration the water used in manufacturing disposables which is why they apparently use less water than cloth:thumbsdown: . It has been stated that it is negligible - who said that??? Kimberley Clark:rolleyes: :laughing:
9L of water are used to make 1 disposable nappy.
Their study is based on soaking, using napisan and highly inefficient laundering.

I would take their study more seriously if it looked at Modern Laundering and ignored Kimberley Clark's reference.



In regards to grey water we used to use ours on our garden, as did our nextdoor neighbour, when we lived inSA. This is taken from the rosneath website Greywater Re-Use:
Hardware, Health, Environment And The Law.


Greywater Re-Use - Is It Legal Or Illegal?
Direct greywater re-use for garden irrigation is currently illegal in all Australian states. Greywater which has passed through a secondary treatment system (eg. reedbed or aerating package plant) may be re-used for irrigation in certain states if disinfection is provided (eg. chlorine tablets, UV or ozone). Regulations are set by conservative state health departments whose main concern is the perceived public health risks associated with greywater re-use. This fear seems to be unjustified based on greywater health risk research in Australia and America. Regulators are also concerned with high nutrient loads in greywater. Research in Australia and America shows this to be unfounded in households which do not use phosphorus-containing detergents. Local councils can choose to override state regulations, and this has occurred in some unsewered areas of Australia. A notable victory for permaculturists came with the successful struggle of Michael Wilson and Fiona Buining to be granted approval for a composting toilet and greywater reedbed system in a sewered area of Hepburn, Victoria in early 1996 (see Permaculture International Journal #58 and/or Earth Garden #95).

Encouragingly, direct greywater re-use for garden irrigation is now being examined by some Australian water authorities as an option for reducing fresh water demands in rural and urban areas. In January 1996, the Queensland Department of Primary Industries released a Policy Options Paper on the Use of Greywater, which examines the potential for regulated re-use of greywater in sewered and unsewered areas of Queensland. Regulators realise significant direct greywater re-use already occurs in Australia, and are working towards recommending specific re-use techniques that minimise health and environmental pollution risks.

[little_fish]

Somehow i don't think anyone throws their nappies into the wash without rinsing off poo first.. this is where a 'little squirts' that hooks into your toilet system comes in handle.. and again, uses very little water because of the triggered pressure :D

Hmm.. can you tell I'm not actually using them yet :o

MonkeyMum here's what I read:
"Australian research is currently being undertaken by the University of Queensland. Results are based on a full life cycle assessment of 2.5 years of nappy wearing by one child, assuming 6 disposable or 9 cloth nappies are used each day.

Preliminary results have indicated that cloth nappies use more water than disposables. Half of the water consumption of cloth nappies is used in the cotton production, the other half in washing. The water used to wash nappies represented 3-5% of the household water consumption."
http://www.rwh.org.au/wellwomens/whic.cfm?doc_id=7691

[gremily]

Thank you, little_fish. This is the kind of information I was interested in.
There are certain eco-disposables which I think may actually have less environmental impact than cloth nappies, particuarly some of the modern cloths.
Do you have a link to any further information?

The Eco-disposables manufacturing is more environmental than normal disposables. They can biodegrade if composted........can someone tell me how many ppl would be doing that????!!
If they're thrown into landfill they will taken the same time as normal disposables to break down - centuries.

However, if someone was going to use disposables and had the choice of either eco or 'normal' then eco would be the better of the two.

[gremily]

Oi! KarniFool! Where'd your post go?:confused: Or did you not want anyone else to know of our Valentine :D

[KarniF00l]

:laughing: Em, i thought we were keeping it under wraps.. now, what post are talking about ? :o

[HoopDeeDoo]

Oi! KarniFool! Where'd your post go?:confused: Or did you not want anyone else to know of our Valentine

It was actually Queenie Valentine :D

[ThreePinkFaireez]

*stays right out of this thread* :yes:

[the_queen]

It was actually Queenie

yer it was me I spelt something wrong then deleted instead of editting... dagnabbit i hate these here techno-machines :o

And no, I'm not scared to shout it from the mountain tops: :laughing:


Valentine Gremily *cue Partridge Family* I THINK I LOVE YOU ! :D

[~Alicia]

*stays right out of this thread* :yes:

Probably a good idea! :laughing::laughing:

[Lunar]

*stays right out of this thread* :yes:

GOOD idea Ezz, good idea!:thumbsup:

[KarniF00l]

Oh phew.. i thought i was suffering from pregnant-itis again :p

Ezzma - If you wanted to stay right out of it you didn't need to post then eh ? :p This is a very interesting subject so if you feel asthough you have something to say, please don't hold back. This is what a forum is for, yes ?

[ThreePinkFaireez]

Oh phew.. i thought i was suffering from pregnant-itis again :p

Ezzma - If you wanted to stay right out of it you didn't need to post then eh ? :p This is a very interesting subject so if you feel asthough you have something to say, please don't hold back. This is what a forum is for, yes ?

Hey KarniF00l.... as a few people were 'expecting' me to be in this thread already then I just thought I'd come in and point out that I'm staying out of it.... honestly I'm not in the mood to argue/debate/'talk' about anything regarding nappies today....

Everyone has their own way they contribute to the environment... some use cloth, some restrict water usage, some use bio degradable washing powder,soaps, dishwashing liquids etc etc..... some use power saving globes and watch electricity usage, some lower usage of cars/fuel etc... everyone can and does help in many different ways....

Yes, I use disposables.... BUT I also contribute to the environment in many many ways.... I make the effort in certain ways, and sometimes its WAY WAY WAY more then others... there for I'm still making a difference.

I don't feel guilty, and don't let anyone make me feel guilty. I do what I want, when and how I want... if people have a problem with that then up theirs :D

[the_queen]

I wasn't expecting you in this thread :confused:
Was anyone else?

[KarniF00l]

I wasn't expecting you in this thread :confused:
Was anyone else?

:no: I have other thing's to think about other than 'expecting' certain people to post in certain threads.

Ezzma - you really have a way to express yourself in the way of lashing out. We are not here to make people feel guilt for what they CHOOSE to do but somehow you think that we do. We certainly don't want to make people feel the need to justify themselves either. If you feel content in your choices then that's all that matters.

[the_queen]

:) Well said Loz! Very nicely put :)

And I agree - feeling content in your choices means nothing and nobody can make you feel guilty, or make you feel like you have to justify what you're doing. When you go overboard in justifying yourself, the only thing that pops into my head is "are you trying to convince me, or yourself?" :confused: ;)

[ThreePinkFaireez]

I wasn't expecting you in this thread :confused:
Was anyone else?


:no: I have other thing's to think about other than 'expecting' certain people to post in certain threads.



Did I mention either of you two?? :rolleyes:

[KarniF00l]

"are you trying to convince me, or yourself?" :confused: ;)

Great minds think alike but i didn't want my halo to slip :angel: :p hence putting it ever so nicely *insert cheesy grin here*

Ezzma - Yes i know you didn't mean me but i don't know why people would expect you to, sounds a little OTT IMO.

[gremily]

Valentine Gremily *cue Partridge Family* I THINK I LOVE YOU ! :D

Sorry QueenieValentine , I think I must have had Loz on the brain for some reason;)
But, hey, I'll just spread my love around so you can ALLLLL have it!!

[ThreePinkFaireez]

If people are feeling bad then that's their prerogative. We aren't trying to make them feel guilty so if they are feeling guilt ridden then maybe something is sinking in ?

You can not MAKE people feel guilty, guilt comes on it's own :yes:

was only saying that I don't feel guilty in respect to this comment....

and some people that I know were expecting me as it was related to cloth/disposables.... guess you gotta be 'in' on it.

[KarniF00l]

ahh okay Ezzma.. completely understand now ;) I guess i'm on the 'outter' then, whatever that is :laughing:

Em - Must have been a good night then eh ? :P

[gremily]

Em - Must have been a good night then eh ? :P

I never kiss and tell:D

[ThreePinkFaireez]

ahh okay Ezzma.. completely understand now ;) I guess i'm on the 'outter' then, whatever that is :laughing:


:rolleyes:

[KarniF00l]

anyhoo.. back to the topic.

Hoop - If you do find the trailer to the vid, can you please forward it on to me ? :D

[gremily]

Click here for the link (http://www.climatecrisis.net/)

I have just recently watched this DVD and it was a real eye opener. Scared the beejesus out of me! :eek: And made me angry about the fact that we know we have a problem and no one is doing enough to fix it - which by the way can be fixed if EVERYONE does their bit.

Now that I am a parent I am really concerned about the environmental impact that I make as it will effect my children's future.


anyhoo.. back to the topic.

Hoop - If you do find the trailer to the vid, can you please forward it on to me ? :D

Posted a few pages back:)

[HoopDeeDoo]

It is really good!! I wonder if you can hire on DVD here?

[gremily]

It is really good!! I wonder if you can hire on DVD here?

Do you mean An Iinconvenient Truth on DVD? We've got it:cool: . TBH I haven't actually watched it yet as our HDD isn't working:banghead:

DF did some visual screens for Al Gore's conference when he was here last. Said he was the most amazing speaker he'd seen. Gore came out through the back entrance where DF and workmates were loading and had a quick chat to them, said thanks for their help etc.
On a Gore note:
Gore carbon offsets everything he does. While here in Sydney the only hybrid car they could get him was one of those teeny tiny 2 seater cars you see with advertising on them zipping around the city (the one for him didn't have ads on it). Despite being who he is he chose to drive that car, even though only 1 of his bodyguards could be with him in the car.
How unbelieveably dedicated to the cause is that?!:yelclap:

[the_queen]

I've seen it in the DVD store here, all copies were out the other day but it's definitely on my "to watch" list!

[KarniF00l]

ahh i obviously overlooked that post somehow, sorry MammaSoni :o

Grem - Cheers big ears! ;)

Hoop - It's probably worth buying, or maybe it's download-able :detective: I'm off for a search.

[MCNmummyof2]

Ive just gone and bought a few copies of that dvd lol. Figure for $30 (i think it was or $25 odd), its a great priced pressie for people!

Just to add, on one of the bubhubbers recommendation - I have now started washing my cloths with my clothes, was petrified my clothes were going to smell lmao:laughing:, but they were fine! So now my cloths no longer mean I do more washing. I never used the full amount of washing powder for my clothes, so using less powder hasnt effected them at all. So now I can be really lazy lol, dont even have to worry about putting on an extra load!!

[kymmy]

I am with you mcn mummy! I occassionally put the odd nappy in with my clothes. I make up a load easily though.

[~Alicia]

Just to add, on one of the bubhubbers recommendation - I have now started washing my cloths with my clothes, was petrified my clothes were going to smell lmao:laughing:

Me too! It saves time and water, I love it! :thumbsup:

[cheezelkat]

I also chuck the nappies in.... I do a cold rinse first, then a normal warm wash with all my clothes. It means the same amount of washing as before, except for fluffy mail days when they get a special wash.

[~Alicia]

except for fluffy mail days when they get a special wash.

well that goes without saying :p

[eternalmaternal]

A work friend of mine bought 10 copies of the dvd and has lent them around to as many people she can interest:thumbsup: .

[xkwzit]

Thanks to all who have contributed positively, I think that this therad has gone as far as it can.

Cheers