Circumcision? What do u think?

[mum to 2 angels]

Just wanted ur opinions! My DS is 6 months old and i made the decision not to get him circumcised because i wanted him to stay the way god made him. All is well. Untill my sister had her baby who she is going to get chopped. She is making me feel as though my son is going to get constant infections, she even said it will smell if i dont get him snipped. What do u think. Those of u with older sons who arent snipped- do they get infections. All help much appreciated.:confused:

[Refresh]

Nope, no infections here:wave: LOL...I agree, it's the way od made them:)

[*Sparkles*]

We are still undecided. I am not doing anything until bubs is at least 6 mths old. And I have a lot of research to do first.
My DH wants him done though :(

[Ashleigh<3]

Although infections do happen, I'm pretty sure it's not like every single little boy's penis becomes infected if he's not circumcised.

The best thing you can do is follow your own reasonings for keeping your boy intact.

Personally I believe little boys should be kept intact, sometimes infections can happen but I would rather save the chopping for when or if it happens to be needed.

Ignore peoples comments, I have to deal with MIL's issues on the subject, and we don't even have a boy yet! I still won't be changing my mind.

If you're really worried, do some research on the subject where you can find out for your son, what is best.

[the_queen]

My boy is only 8 months old - but I didn't circumcise my daughter or my son, and neither of them have smelly or infected genitals :)

The problem with infections in intact penis' is usually caused by people retracting the foreskin too early. Basically it should be left alone, it will retract by itself in time.

You'll probably find that your sister kinda needs to justify to HERSELF why she is [deleted] her baby, and a great way to make yourself look good is to make someone else look bad. You just be strong in the knowledge that you have done the right thing by your son, and you did your job as a mother (ie you didn't let anyone near his penis with a scalpel!).

[FourAngelKisses]

My oldest boy is 9 and has never had an infection. Amazing really as the condition he was born with generally causes infections.
My youngest boy is 2.5 and has never had an infection either.

[poodysmum]

Like Ashleigh3 said-use your own reasonings as to whether or not to get it done. We chose to get our son done (used the plastibell method),and we were happy with our decision. Each person has their own beliefs, and they are entitled to them. I have nothing against anyone who chooses not to have their son circumcised, and I would also hope that they would not judge me for deciding to have our son done. At the end of the day, its up to you, not anyone elses opinions. Goodluck:)

Alli

[fozzie]

Don't listen to you sister she is obviously trying to justify herself to you. There is no medical reason for a baby to be done at birth only and if they have problems with infections and medically it is deemed neccessary. My DS1 had a few infections when he was a baby but has been fine since and he's nearly 8 now DS2 has not had any at all. Stick to your beliefs and don't let anyone tell you that it's wrong why would he be born with it if not for a reason. :hugs:

[melfunction]

What do u think.

I think its wrong. My little boy has had ear infections and no one told me to cut them off.

[Pippi Longstocking]

she even said it will smell if i dont get him snipped.

Take one bath tub of soapy water and one child. Combine. :thumbsup:



What do u think.

I think it's wrong. I think it is unnecessary and cruel. I think it denies the child the right to make his own choices regarding cosmetic surgery to his genitals.

[shed]

I would just ignore her. Her argument is flawed so its not worth listening to.

If people choose to get their son's circumcised that's their decision, but they can't hide behind this reason anymore, its outdated.

[Lunar]

I agree with the_queen and melephant....
I would not cut of my dd's breast bud for the simple fact she they have a 1:11 chance of getting breast cancer!!! That's just ludicrous!

My babies are born perfect no matter what! They don't need to be altered.

[Trumpet]

Circumcision is a touchy topic and some people feel very strongly for and against and you will always get comments no matter which way you choose to go.

I did have my son done as he was born with a sizable difference in his renal pelvis and was at a higher risk of getting infections. I cannot tell you if he wasn't born with this whether I still would have or not as there is strong arguments for both sides and it is something only you & your partner need to investigate fully before you make that decision.

[iamstephyc]

I think it depends on the person and the situation... I am from a religous background and so was always planning on it, but my DH (also from a religous background) isn't, so our sons are aren't in the intrest of keeping them all the same... Neither of our sons have ever had any infections... However, my SIL's son is the same age as my oldest son and has had neumoruos (sp) infections, despite being a very clean child... his doctors say he is just prone to them, and if they keep happening, he may end up having it done.

[tru]

Totally unnecessary. I know heaps of males of all ages who never had the procedure and have never had any problems down there. If there were any problems with infections later on, then the male himself should have the choice to get it done if he wishes.

I think it's terrible when people say bub's father is done so bub should be done too. This cycle has to stop sometime.

[nuddle]

My son is 4, and when he was still in nappies at times the tip would look very red, and I was worried that I had done the wrong decision, especially as I think dh was leaning towards having it done. But it just appeared to be the same as nappy rash, and a bit of powder sorted that out.
The other reasoning I Thought of, I read somewhere that at birth the foreskin is actually fused to the tip, and would be a lot more traumatic to have it done then compared to later on in life. I made the decision that if for whatever reason it will have to be done later then we will deal with it then, he will get a general and have it done IF THERE IS A MEDICAL NEED which clearly wasnt there at birth.
I agree, everyone has their own reasoning for doing it or not doing it, but dont think its fair for anyone to go around telling you that you made the WRONG decision... I think to me it sounds like she is not totally comfortable with her decision...

[the_queen]

You're right nuddle, the foreskin is fused to the head of the penis at birth. It separates by itself, and becomes retractable at some point between the age of 2 and 13.

It's fused just the same as fingernails are fused to your nail bed. Retracting the foreskin just isn't necessary - it's like pulling back your whole fingernail to clean the nail bed. THAT is what will cause infection.

[trittysmum]

my ds is 4 and he has never had an infection. i dont think circumsision is necessary at all. Y would u want to do it, like really y.
i think its not my genitals and i shouldnt have the right to do it!

[Tanya1985]

I don't believe it shoudl be done unless there is a medical reason. I think that in this day and age where all the facilities are here to do with hygenie and treating infections if they do occur... which my dad and brother who are both not done have ever had... it is purely cosmetic. My youngest brother had to have an operation to have his foreskin removed because he had a problem with the size of his foreskin at birth and it was actually pulling. For they who say they want the males in the family to look the same does this mean that my dad and brother should have had it done solely so they could all look the same with no clothes on?? Eventually boys are going to realise that all of them different, so what does it matter if this issue comes up at home?? Just some of my opinions.

[madreader]

Hi i have three boys and they are circumcised and they have never had any problems because of this. Personally i do not believe in it but everyone is different,.:wave:

[Fitmumma]

I think its wrong. My little boy has had ear infections and no one told me to cut them off.


Good point...I think if you teach your boy(s) good hygeine right from the word go, then you wont have a problem with infections, I dont agree with circumcision because IMO it is painful & unecessary....why were males made that way if it is supposedly better to have it chopped off:confused:

[Jodiee]

My husband and son are both uncirced, DH is 42, DS is 5, neither have infections..

In all honesty, I was getting him done, Im from the country, and didnt know any different, it was just the way it got done then! DH was dead set against it, so I didnt get it done for DH's reasons, Im so glad I didnt now, cause I didnt realise what actually happened.
I got a letter the other day from the hospy, with all the other pregnancy 'rules'., and in that there was a note about circumsision, it said that my hospital doesnt do it AT ALL, there is only 1 hospital that can do it around here, unless you pay private $$ for it to be done from a paed, and then you have to wait 6-9 months for it, the way I see it, is, if it was done to stop any sort of infections etc, then it would be done in more hospitals than 1 in adelaide, under medicare.
I think you should do what you want though, my nephews are circed, my boy isnt, it doesnt make any difference at bath time, and they dont even notice etc, and as to infections, my son cant take his hand off his, hes always playing with it, IYKWIM?, and hes never had any problems, and he's hasnt retracted yet, at nearly 6..

[FourAngelKisses]

For they who say they want the males in the family to look the same does this mean that my dad and brother should have had it done solely so they could all look the same with no clothes on??

I don't understand this arguement...it's not like the boy will be comparing his winky to his dads when he is 12yrs old or anything.

[Hokey Pokey]

Nothing would convince me to get it done if we had of had a boy unless for medical reasons.

[mum to 2 angels]

I guess its just one of those things that u are either all for or against. My sis said she wants it done because she thinks it is easier to do it now, just incase he has to have it done later in life. And so he will look like dad. I personally believe its my sons penis so there for its his decision if he wants half of it cut off. I wouldnt be very hapy if i woke up one day to find my mum cutting chunks off my anatomy. Wouldnt it hurt to get it done when the poor boy is still in nappies? He would piddle on the wound. Thats gotta hurt. But each to their own.;)

[Wish_Bear]

We didn't circ DS and he is 13 months now and no infections at all. The end of his penis gets a little red at times but a little nappy cream and he's all good.

I asked my CHN how I clean under his foreskin while he is a baby but she said you don't. The hormone that makes the foreskin able to be pulled back does not come on until 3 yrs of age. She said it would just hurt if I tried now. So I am pretty sure not a lot can even get under the foreskin in the first 3 yrs. Thats what I was told anyway.

I haven't read all the posts so if this has already been said ignore me ok!

[Milliner]

It is not necessary to get it done, it's just old fashioned. If you teach your children to be clean then they will have no problems. People need to do some proper research on the subject before they go modifying their Childs "private bits"

[pookiesossige]

Unless for medical reasons [of which there are almost none requring circumcision anyway] - OVER MY DEAD BODY.

[Buddha Bubbas]

Unless for medical reasons [of which there are almost none requring circumcision anyway] - OVER MY DEAD BODY.

What pookie said :yes:

[carly29]

I agree, i come from UK origianally where it isnt common practice. My husband was done at birth, and after a lot of thought and talking it though with our doctor we didnt get either of the boys done.
And us having 2 boys did infact stir a lot of emotion on both sides of our family... fore and against the arguement. Our eldest is now 5 and has never had an infection yet. The doctor told us when we spoke to him about it origianally that the penis is a self cleansing organ of the body, and that a shower and wash twice a day is enough to keep it clean and healthy. They are none the wiser or at any disadvantage for not being circumsised.
If people have thier children circumised it is thier own personal choice and they shouldnt be judged by others for it, just as we who choose not to shouldnt be judged :)

[WeThree]

Those of u with older sons who arent snipped- do they get infections. All help much appreciated.:confused:

As the mother of a 10 yr old son who is not circumcised I can tell you that, no, my DS has never had an infection :) Nor has my 3 yr old son, does not mean it wont happen, but they are no more susceptible to an infection in that area than they are in any other part of their body. My DH is now 34 and not circed and has also never, ever had any problems. :)

[ShadyCharacter]

My sis said she wants it done because she thinks it is easier to do it now, just incase he has to have it done later in life. Will she be getting his tonsils and appendix removed as well? Ears cut off? ;)

As for your question of what do I think? I think as far as telling you that your son will get infections, etc that she is full of baloney and obviously hasn't researched her decision at all :thumbsdown:

[kristi001]

MY Two nephews who are 7 and 3 1/2 are not circumcised and neither have had infections. All my brothers and my Dp have been circumcised and they too have never had any problems. :)

I wouldnt feel pressured by anyone to do anything regarding your child that you are unsure of!!! :shame:

My son is getting circumcised at 6 months and if i had any doubt of my decision i wouldnt be doing it. So because You hold doubt about the i wouldnt make a decision just yet!!

I hope this helps :hugs:

[Ange&Seth]

Untill my sister had her baby who she is going to get chopped. She is making me feel as though my son is going to get constant infections, she even said it will smell if i dont get him snipped.

This is what REALLY annoys me!! I had my son circumcised at 4wks of age but I don't go around telling ppl who chose NOT to circumcise that their sons are going to get infections :mad: At the same time though, I don't like it when ppl who don't circ tell me I've done the wrong thing by having my boy done, so I can kinda see where you're coming from but in reverse, if that makes sense??

Look hun, if you chose not to have him done, then good for you. Don't let anyone railroad you into doing anything you don't want to do.

Bottom line - it's your choice. Tell your sister to go jump - your boy, your choice/her boy, her choice.

[Ange&Seth]

obviously hasn't researched her decision at all :thumbsdown:

No she probably hasn't done her research, but she has made her decision as to what she is happy with. As should everyone. I also believe that that choice should be respected, just as she should respect the OPs choice NOT to circ.

[the_queen]

Oi now, don't start sayin' I ain't controversial... I got me a reputation to uphold round these here parts ... ;)

[Ange&Seth]

Rofl!!!!

[reAllytee]

Well said Ange :D :yelclap:

[~rambox~]

I think it is a personal choice and you are the only one who can decide if it is wrong or not

[ogilberry]

i think once upon a time perhaps that was true re infections ect however in this day and age and clenliness there is no reason. personally i agree with govner i dont think we have the right to chop a persons part of for not really any good reasonings...there is a reason why you arent allowed to chop off dogs tails in some states not sure why it is you are still allowed to make that choice on a child...but that is my personal opinion i have two boys older 8 and 11 and neither of them have ever had a drama as yet..

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[MotherNurture]

Just wanted ur opinions! My DS is 6 months old and i made the decision not to get him circumcised because i wanted him to stay the way god made him. All is well. Untill my sister had her baby who she is going to get chopped. She is making me feel as though my son is going to get constant infections, she even said it will smell if i dont get him snipped. What do u think. Those of u with older sons who arent snipped- do they get infections. All help much appreciated.:confused:

I think your sister is making a very ignorant, fear-based decision. Caring for an intact penis is EASY. During infancy, you just wipe off the outside like you would a finger or give it a swish of plain water in the bath. By the time he reaches puberty, and can likely retract his own foreskin comfortably all he needs to do is "retract, rinse, replace" in the shower or bath. Both male and female genitals can develop unpleasant odors due to infections, insufficient, or excessive hygiene. Infections (like yeast) are treatable in both genders without surgery. Hygiene-for both genders-is quick and easy. Douching a woman's vagina or washing beneath a (retractable) foreskin too frequently, especially with soap, can disrupt the natural flora/pH balance, actually causing stronger odors.

Only 1% of intact males will ever need to be circumcised for medical reasons; conversely, 71% of circumcised boys will experience penile adhesions, 9-10% will aquire meatal stenosis which requires additional surgery, and 1% will require circumcision revision.

Hopefully your sister will do a little more research and soul-searching before her little guy arrives...

Jen

[MotherNurture]

Regarding looking like dad...

"LIKE FATHER, LIKE SON" kit, gift-wrapping available!

Description: Advanced technology! Now, father and son can match without surgery. Stops painful tradition in it's tracks while eliminating risk of paternal inadaquacy syndrome and potential neonatal circumcision complications such as hemorrhage, infection, and death. A must have for the arrival of your 21st century blue bundle!

Contents:

(1) pair of novelty glasses, with fake nose and mustache.
(1) adult novelty bib, blue bonnet, or pacifier
(1) pair of adult briefs
(1) reusable ice pack (for mimimizing penile size difference)
(1) 1oz baggy of mock pubic/armpit hair and super glue
(1) artificial umbilical cord stump (to avoid confusion during those early days)
(1) bottle of nair -OR- (1) bottle hair dye -OR- (1) miniature wig/toupe, etc. (as applicable)
(4) grease pencils, (1) black, (1) brown, (1) red, (1) white (For realistic mimicking of freckles, birthmarks, age spots, moles, stretchmarks, scars, 'storkbites', and more!)
(1) bottle of tooth paint –OR- (1) container of tooth wax (For realistic 'toothless' look for dad.)
(1) coupon for foreskin restoration device -OR- 35mm film canister, medical tape, etc.
(1) pamphlet/article on foreskin restoration/methods

Regarding "Better now than later"...

Adult vs. Infant Circumcision: 12 Reasons

1.) Adults provide informed consent. Babies have NO choice.

2.) Babies are typically unwrapped, exposed, and strapped down spread-eagle to a rigid, molded plastic board.

3.) Mother/baby separation, interruption in maternal & infant bonding, may negatively impact breastfeeding success.

4.) A baby foreskin is fused to the glans, much like your fingernail is attached to your finger. One of the first (and most painful) steps of an infant circumcision involves forcibly separating the two structures-literally, tearing them apart. An adult's foreskin is usually able to retract easily and comfortably.

5.) Adults can have general anesthesia, thereby experiencing a truly "pain free" operation. At best, newborns get local anesthesia...at worst, nothing at all. Studies have shown neonatal circumcision pain has long-term effects on pain tolerance.

6.) Adults can be provided medications to prevent erections during the healing process. Babies are not offered this.

7.) Adults can have "good" pain medications post-op. The most an infant gets is Tylenol.

8.) An adult can choose the exact 'style' of circumcision he prefers...loose, tight...high, low...frenulum/no frenulum...etc. Babies are circumcised by a random methods removing imprecise and highly variable amounts of skin.

9.) Adult penises are BIGGER. There is a lot more room for error with infant circumcision.

10.) Adults will not normally be healing in a 'diaper environment', exposing their surgical wound to urine and feces. This also means adults who are circumcised will likely have a far lower risk of Meatal Stenosis. The risk for babies is 9-10%.

11.) Adults normally have more developed and resistant immune systems and if an infection did occur it would be less dangerous to an adult then a newborn.

12.) Babies are guarenteed a lifetime of keratinization (drying, thickening, and progressive desensitization of the head of penis)

Jen

[MotherNurture]

:kiss:
No she probably hasn't done her research, but she has made her decision as to what she is happy with. As should everyone. I also believe that that choice should be respected, just as she should respect the OPs choice NOT to circ.

...but...

The infant-a future man-is the one who has to live with the choice. It's his penis. Doesn't he at the very least deserve a well-researched, informed decision? Regardless of your opinion on circumcision, is it responsible or respectful to consent to surgery-especially non-medically indicated surgery-without all the facts?

Jen

[Pippi Longstocking]

Love ya work Jen! :thumbsup: Saves me needing to say anything further. :D

[ShadyCharacter]

No she probably hasn't done her research, but she has made her decision as to what she is happy with. As should everyone. I also believe that that choice should be respected, just as she should respect the OPs choice NOT to circ.If you read and understood what I was saying, and put it in context, I was saying that the OPs sister obviously hadn't researched her decision properly BECAUSE she kept telling the OP that her son would get a lot of infections and *smell*. Not because she has chosen circumcision. So no, I don't respect her for scaring someone with misinformation.

[Milliner]

:yelclap: Jen, well said!

[MotherNurture]

Love ya work Jen! :thumbsup: Saves me needing to say anything further. :D

Awww, thanks!

I just thought of two more reasons adult circumcision (if a man chooses it for himself as an informed, consenting adult) is better/safer than infant circumcision:

MRSA-Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus-is rampant in medical facilities and is frequently fatal in neonates; circumcision creates an unnecessary wound and entry point for such an infection.

A baby’s entire blood volume could be contained in a soda can; testing for blood disorders prior to infant circumcision is not routine. An adult would be more likely to be aware if he had a condition like hemophilia (which primarily occurs in males). An undiagnosed hemophiliac newborn may hemorrhage/bleed to death during or following a procedure like circumcision.

Eeek.

Jen

[lanta01]

Hi girls! I thought I would just pop in and have a read on this topic, as this issue is something ive been thinking about ever since I gave brith to a boy! While I was pregnant I really wanted Bryce to be circ, and even though my midwife continually tried to change my mind saying things like "its just cosmetic, blah blah blah.." I really thought it was the best thing to do. My husband has been Circ, so has his father, my brother, my father and every boyfriend Ive ever had.....so that is what I thought was normal. My mum told me that it was just the done thing back when she had my brother and I, that there was never any discussion, they just took the baby away shortly after birth, did the circ, and brought the baby back. that was it....it was just normal to do so.....

And I had only ever seen an un-circ in a magazine....I really didnt like it....and thought no I want to have my baby done!

And so you can immagine my surprise when he was born, and we could not find a single Dr who would preform the surgery. I later found out that all the Dr's there had never done one. And was refered too, in the hospital ranks as "old days surgery".

I was a bit resentful, but Ive just read through all your posts, and To tell you the truth....After reading some of your post, and actually knowing some of the details and Mother nurture's post in regard to better now than later....ive had a serious change of heart!

[kristi001]

I think your sister is making a very ignorant, fear-based decision. Caring for an intact penis is EASY. During infancy, you just wipe off the outside like you would a finger or give it a swish of plain water in the bath. By the time he reaches puberty, and can likely retract his own foreskin comfortably all he needs to do is "retract, rinse, replace" in the shower or bath. Both male and female genitals can develop unpleasant odors due to infections, insufficient, or excessive hygiene. Infections (like yeast) are treatable in both genders without surgery. Hygiene-for both genders-is quick and easy. Douching a woman's vagina or washing beneath a (retractable) foreskin too frequently, especially with soap, can disrupt the natural flora/pH balance, actually causing stronger odors.

Only 1% of intact males will ever need to be circumcised for medical reasons; conversely, 71% of circumcised boys will experience penile adhesions, 9-10% will aquire meatal stenosis which requires additional surgery, and 1% will require circumcision revision.

Hopefully your sister will do a little more research and soul-searching before her little guy arrives...

Jen



Dont i Hope i am not making an ignorant, fear based decision..

Oops well apparently i am!!!

There is ways of getting your obvious ambition to wipe our circumcision world wide accross without being so harsh.. :D

[MotherNurture]

Dont i Hope i am not making an ignorant, fear based decision..

Oops well apparently i am!!!

:wave:

Are you the OP's sister who was chiding her for not circumcising, insinuating her son would be plagued by constant infections and foul odor? No? Than my comments weren't directed at you. :)

Have you thoroughy researched circumcision? Do you understand the risks (adhesions, meatal stenosis, excessive blood loss, serious infection, poor cosmetic outcome, etc.) and the long-term sexual implications (loss of nerves, desensitization as a result of permanently exposing the glans-an area designed to be kept protected, slightly moist, soft, shiny, and ultra-sensitive, loss of the 'gliding mechanism' of normal masturbation & intercourse, etc)? Do you have a good grasp of the anatomy involved and that circumcision is likely to remove 1/3-1/2 of the penile skin system, in many cases also removing or seriously damaging the frenulum (male g-spot)?

Are you making an informed-rather than a fear/rumor based-decision? Yes? If so, my comments don't apply to you. :)

Jen

[MotherNurture]

After reading some of your post, and actually knowing some of the details and Mother nurture's post in regard to better now than later....ive had a serious change of heart!

:thumbsup:

That's wonderful to hear. :)

Jen

[Mister Noodle]

People keep saying "you have to respect people's choices" regarding circumcision.

Well, see, here's the thing. Diversity is good, forced conformity is bad, and when it comes down to most lifestyle choices, it is indeed best to embrace whatever choices people have.

This is because at heart, most lifestyle choices don't hurt anyone, and people's objections generally stem from offended tribalism: if they don't wear the same clothes as us, they're saying our way is no good and we're no good; they're just dirty outsiders who hate us, so lets all spit and throw rocks, maybe we can run them out of town.

That kind of reaction is uncivilised and counterproductive, thus we have it firmly drummed into us that it's OK to be different.

And fair enough - it is indeed OK.

However.

This does NOT mean that every reaction of outraged disapproval stems from the same motives. If someone kept their child chained to the wall, the mob that came after them with flaming torches and pitchforks would not be doing so out of cultural elitism, they'd be doing so because a child was being harmed.

The trouble is, people get a lot of milage out of claiming to be the victims of shallow, petty persecution.

By doing so, they get to pretend that the matter at hand is as trivial and arbitrary as what kind of hat you wear, and that the crowd is just being intolerant and hateful while they sit there in wounded innocence.

Where it's a prescribed part of someone's cultural identity, they also get to claim that people merely pretend outrage because they really hate the culture in question.

Well, nice try, but that's bollocks.

Nobody here (and please, correct me if you can show otherwise) gives a flying duck (hey look, falsies work!) about your cultural identity, or whether you're just like us. We don't care what you look like, where you come from, how you speak, what you eat, what you wear, how you worship, or who you voted for on Australian Idol.

We just care that children are being harmed.

Sorry, but that's not some trivial shallow cosmetic and meaningless distinction. It's not some arbitrary cultural label that we're using to mock outsiders with, or an excuse to vilify your people.

It's people cutting bits off their kids, and I'll be damned if anyone gets to trivialise that.

How DARE people twist our concern and moral outrage at deliberate harm to children around, write off that harm as trivial and arbitrary, and write us off as shallow, xenophobic rednecks? How DARE they gloss over it with a smug appeal to diversity, and tell us 'we have to respect people's choices'?

If I were to amputate any other part of my child outside of a medical emergency, you'd tell me exactly where I could stick my 'choices'. And if I claimed persecution as a result, you'd slap me upside the head with half a brick.

[Pippi Longstocking]

Yay Mister Noodle dude! :yelclap:

I wrote a similar post this morning but didn't post it because...well, just because. But now that you have said what I was trying to say, I'll back you up :D

I simply -don't- respect people's decision to circumcise their healthy newborns. I can't, I won't and I don't. I also don't respect people's decisions to harm their children in any other way. It is not something I deem worthy of respect.
I find it a bit weak when people claim it is their personal choice and we should respect that. If you felt someone was harming their child in any other way, would you respect their right to do so? For example, if someone was tattooing their child because they thought it looked more aesthetically pleasing, would you respect their right to do so?

[RedPanda]

Well said Noodle. The thing I don't get is the way the word "personal choice" is being used. A personal choice is a choice that will affect the person making it.

[ziggie]

I'm getting so sick of these circ debates. I've tried to stay away from this one, but, alas, here I go again :rolleyes: .

I'll I have to say is "AGAIN, MR NOODLE, YOU ARE A CHAMPIAN"

And to all the other anti circ's out there, good on you too :yelclap: .

We can only keep trying, huh?

[MotherNurture]

ITA, MisterNoodle, Guv'nor, and Hazellew.

Whose penis is it? His.

Not dad's. HIS.

Personal choice=HIS choice.

Elective circumcision is only a "personal choice" when it's chosen by a fully informed, consenting adult, for his OWN body.

Jen

[Ange&Seth]

Listen guys, this is why you upset so many ppl. Ok, you are against Circumcision, alot of people aren't and I really don't think any of you have a right to judge or attack or OVERWHELM those of us who have done it, or are considering doing it, with alot of googled reasons why NOT to do it.

There are reasons for and against. YOU don't agree with the reasons FOR and some people don't agree with the reasons AGAINST.

And I certainly don't think it's right some of the things the anti-circers are calling the pro-circers.

Everybody is different, everybody has differing opinions, but there's no need to ram your opinions down anyone else's throat.

These threads always end up going off track of the OP, with name calling and insinuations and ending in a debate which inevitably finds the thread being closed.

Can't everyone just respect everyone else's decision? And whatever happened to if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all?

ETA - I don't mean to stereotype anti-circers, but I think that's how my post comes across. There are a select few who just take it too far IMO.

[Chickadee]

Thread closed for cleaning. It may or may not reopen.