can two lots of people have eggs from the same cycle

[ogilberry]

i have a question..perhaps is a stupid one but if you go through a cycle to donate eggs can two lots of totally different couples have half each of the eggs. the only reason i ask is last time i had 26 eggs and only one couple got them she got pregnant right away using only three of the eggs she is due to have twins in march so she technically has 23 eggs left actually only 22 as one wasnt mature enough but gees that is enough for another couple even if she froze some of them..seems like a waist really. i also opted for them to not just donate on my eggs when they were done with them as i wanted to have control over them i guess...

i also am in brisbane and donated to this couple in brisbane however next time ill do somewhere else probably melbourne so that when i flew down i could stay with some relos at the same time as donation/pickup

anyway just a question

fiona

[jo-anne.36]

hello there iam sorry but i can'nt answer your question but that would be good if you could share the eggs between to couples your ips are one luck couple to have you as their donor wow 22eggs or embryos where were you wheni was in search of a donor please do'nt get me worry iam not asking you to be my donor or any thing else iam just making a statement one more thing thank you for donating your eggs your a real lovely person and:angel: i wish there was more woman like you xxxxx jojo

[anna19]

hi ogilberry

i am in wa and my clinic will share eggs from donor who are anonomous, that is donating to the clinic not a specific person, but i suppose if you have that amount of eggs again you could request that some go to another couple

hope this helps
anna19

[ogilberry]

well i would like to do again in the near future as i said however yeah would feel even better if i could give half to two lots or something...just wasnt sure how it would be done.

mmm dunno

[wa mum of 4]

hi ogilberry

i am in wa and my clinic will share eggs from donor who are anonomous, that is donating to the clinic not a specific person, but i suppose if you have that amount of eggs again you could request that some go to another couple

hope this helps
anna19

This si true for most clinics.
You can also have 2 known recipients who are willing to share the cost you incure for your treatment.
This is usually unlikely as most IP's would like to have the best chance possible and dont like to share.
Also if the IP's are lucky enough to fall prega's they usually dont want any embys kept, if this is case it is your and the fathers choice what to do with the remaining emby's. You may wish to donate them.

:hugs:
Sarah

[sarahstarfish]

Hey Ladies

Absolutely not as far as I know and is against the regulations that clinics operate under in order to maintain their licences. Although it's done in the US/Europe/India/Africa with donors, and in the UK with those who need IVF themselves and share eggs with another IVF couple, in Australia it is frowned upon. The reasons when you think about it are very sensible I think...imagine as a known donor if one couple got gloriously pregnant but the others didn't, if the cycle wasn't great and there were only two or three eggs to share, if one couple wanted to keep in close contact and the other didn't then how would any resulting children feel etc. I think in this country where we put so much emphasis on the rights and needs of the children born, rather than on the adults in the equation, I personally am glad that a donor can only commit to one set of recipients at a time. Until the cycle is over you just don't know how 'successful' it will be or how you will feel about it all - is a huge enough emotional turmoil with ONE other couple involved, can't imagine adding another two relationships to the mix.

Would love to know if any donors/recipients have actually done a shared cycle - have never met anyone and would be folly by any clinic I would think to entertain such thoughts. I know on the face of it it can look a very good solution but as in most things ED, it's the long term that we have to look to and how our actions in the now can impact down the track.

Cheers

Cindy

[sarahstarfish]

Oops forgot to add....Anna, I think you'll find the anon cycle just means all the eggs go to the one recipient alone. Any left over embryos will be frozen for that recipient for further use down the track or until they decide to let them succomb. It is very very difficult to find state/clinics who will let recipients on-donate embryos made from donated material due to the further confusion/entanglements for those concieved if more recipients are added to the mix and yet more lives are concieved. Maybe check with your clinic to confirm what they are going to do so you know upfront what will happen??

Just another thought re frozen embryos, I think as donors who haven't experienced infertility we can underestimate the importance of these tiny frozen lives to recipients. Although 22 embryos sounds like a huge number, it can be cut down quite quickly given thaw rates of 6/10 for 'good' embryos, and then the added IVF roulette on top of that. Most recipients hold onto their embryos a long time after they are lucky enough to have a baby, perhaps even finished their family, 'just in case' and embryos are probably frozen anywhere from five to ten years while all this is going on and decisions are being made. Just from what I imagine is a recipient's point of view.

Love

Cindy

[leisurly]

Hi Cindy

The UK share a cycle programme is to enable those who would no be able to afford it have the chance, it does mean that you've in a position of donating which you might not have if financially stable, this is the only problem i have with it, but i think the counselling is very thorough.

A donor cycle in the UK cost £4000 ($10,000) half of this covers the donors cycle. An IVF cycle cost £2500, if you share your eggs it only cost £500 as the recipient is paying the rest of the cycle.

The rules are if there are under 8 eggs produced, the donor has the decision to donate those on and have a free cycle next time, or keep all the eggs at no extra cost but is not allowed to do a shared cycle again if those eggs were unsuccessful.

A yield above 8 is divided with the first egg going to the donor and all subsequant odd numbers eggs going to the donor, the recipient gets egg 2 and all even numbered eggs. This means any donor will always have an extra egg if an odd number is obtained.

Lx

[sarahstarfish]

Hey L

Yes, I have the same problem with it....I feel it really is 'payment' however you look at it, but I understand entirely the difference it makes for those who may not be able to afford an IVF cycle alone. I wonder how many couples would donate though if the financial incentive wasn't there do you think, is very very tempting coercion.

Just awful it's even an issue isn't it, that costs are so ridiculously high that some people need to donate their eggs in order to go ahead, that is just so sad. For me who has made that decision void of any other reason than a desire to, and knowing just how huge that decision was, just feel sorry for them. But a baby is a baby and I would probably do exactly the same thing in that position. I still can't imagine how utterly awful it would feel for someone to get pregnant from my eggs if I didn't...there are some serious issues hey.

I still think we have the best DC laws in the world though, in particular the care taken for those yet to be born and what they need.

Love

Cindy

[wa mum of 4]

Hey Cindy and L,

Here in WA, some clinics do donor sharing if consent is obtained.
Yes it is frowned upon but it has been done before ( I asked the first clinic I went to ).
Considering WA has the tightest laws in the country for donation it is very strange that other states dont allow it.
I tottally agree that it shoudn't be done, as stated imagine the disappointment if one took and the other didn't.
How heart breaking...:crying:
:hugs:
Sarah

[leisurly]

I actually agree with it, but would hope that the counselling is thorough, the donor couple can change their mind just like a donor can here right up to transfer, and I think they don't have to pay the extra costs, so it isn't really coertion as they can decline.

From the forum I was reading, (I looked into going to the UK before I found Kim and she sent me here), there seemed quite a harmony and good open discussion going.

I only looked at one group of clinics and they seemed very supportive.

Lxx

[sarahstarfish]

Sarah

That is the first time I have ever heard of anything like that happening here with egg donors - which clinic is it? Did they have any paperwork stating they would accomodate a shared cycle or was it something brought up in writing - would love to see it in black and white.

It has nothing to do with anyone's consent but is actually a regulation they agree to commit to in order to maintain their licence....really should be reported to the WA ART body for infringement, just not on.

Cindy

[wa mum of 4]

Hi Cindy,
It was brought up in a conversation with a councellor at the clinic.
There was nothing in writing that I ever saw, I was making inquiries about how all avenues were to be handled.
ie: if I was to go anon or known.
If they have broken protocol then they should be repremanded for it.
As I was told from a councellor I have no factual based evidence to prove it, I wish I did.
There is so many lovely couples out there suffering emotionally and financially, if this is a way for these clinics to kill 2 birds with 1 stone, so to speak it is very nasty.
I shouldn't of put some "clinics" that was a mistake on my part as it was only 1 that it was mentioned at.
I dont know where to go from here. Do I report them or obtain more information?
I would hate to be the reason for stopping someone from becoming a parent, by giving incorrect information.
Any ideas?

[sarahstarfish]

Hey Sarah

I was actually more concerned that potential donors could approach two lots of recipients thinking they could do a shared cycle...that would be a bit of a disaster!

Can you PM me the name of the clinic Sarah, would be interesting to see if others have experienced the same thing.

I know, I know, we're not the 'donor police' just good to know what goes on where.

xx

[leisurly]

I wonder if it is now possible because of freezing eggs

eg, a woman does a donor cycle and gets 16 eggs, the recipients are told that they can pay less if they on fertilise half the eggs and the others are frozen, these eggs remain the recipients until they complete a family, but are not able to destroy the eggs.

These eggs are then with agreement of the donor donated on in another recipient cycle, this is just the same as embryo on donation which is what I have, the embryos are from a donor cycle.

The recipients are given a cheaper cycle as they are havng frozen eggs, which will have a less success rate than fresh ones. Obviously the clinic would have to look closely at the full cost structure but it would keep the cost down for the recipients and the donor is able to help two families from one cycle.

Actually, unlike the UK version in which a ivf pt is sharing her eggs the donor sharing hers must be a good option, and as we know if they are shared randomly or the same as the UK then both recipients have the same chance of getting pregnant. Remember, recipient have fertility problems as do many of the partners so where one couple fail and another succeeds it will not be due to the split of the eggs but due to the inherent fertility problems.

I'm sure I'm:ecomcity: so hope it makes sense.

I know Cindy you think the rules on donor cycle are great, I do feel with such a money orientated private system in australia, that from what I've seen, women are having many cycles and not being fully investigated, you'd never find someone in the Uk having 5-10 cycles before being fully checked out. My SIL at the age of 36 was put on a drug for 18 months to stop her periods to control endometriosis and then a timed ivf cycle, she has mega fertility issues and is now the proud mum of a babe at 40. She herself delayed cycling an extra yr. This doesn't happen here as women are just put on a rollercoaster of cycling and it is hard to get off. I know 4 friends who did three cycles (the norm in the UK before your told to rest the body) and all fell pregnant naturally within a year - 18 mths. My experience at the wesley was one of not really looking at options just half hearted attemps that has no chance of working and a huge bill

Lxx

[sarahstarfish]

Hey L

How are you feeling Mrs Sicky??

Re 'rules on donor cycle', I think we have the best donor conception legislation/guidelines with regards to lives concieved, and I think the altruistic side of things is an absolute must, not sure what you mean otherwise.

Re IVF cycles and number of cycles and treatment etc, don't know enough about that side of things to comment. I think there are great REs with their finger on the pulse, and shabby REs who just go through the motions and sometimes that can make all the difference. It's hard to be quantitative about IVF as well isn't it, so difficult as it is to compare different diagnosis/treatments etc. Even hard to compare a woman's OWN cycles - I've had three different cycles and all have been vastly different and I have no fertility issues.

L, you and I should start a separate thread - I could chat with you forever! Sorry for hijacking the thread ladies.

xx

[2onthego]

When I first went to the clinic they said that they used to split the donoation between to couple but they no longer do that as it is unethical. Obviously it is also the law.
Lv Shell

[sarahstarfish]

Hey Shell

Yes, I think say a decade ago things were very different from what they are today...stories such as mixing up a donation from different sperm/egg donors etc or using a woman's mother's eggs etc.

I think your use of the word 'unethical' says it all. There is a fantastic book about sperm donation in the US called 'Lethal Secrets' from the 70's, and honestly, would make your hair curl some of the things that were routinely done...who was it said 'When we know better, we do better'? Please don't say Dr Phil or my daytime fetish will be out in the open!

xxx

[leisurly]

Thanks Cindy

Though I'd have to say you'd win as the brain cells are muzzy at the moment and it is hard enough trying to think what to write, thought I do get little spurts when I get on a role.

Lx