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I have just received my hospital notes for my 2nd c/section.
It is totally spooky! I had practically the exact same issues with his labour as I did with my recent homebirth. Persistent anterior lip.
The hospital panicked with Oskar, and my midwife dealt with the issue with Noah calmly. The hospital resolved the issue by c/section. My Midwife resolved the issue by simple techniques, and my bubs came out normally.
I have typed up a comparison between the 2 labours, as their similarities are so uncanny, right down to the times. I went into labour with Oskar at 2.30pm, and 2.30 am with Noah. Oskar was extracted from me at 11.30pm, and Noah was birthed naturally at 11.25am.
If you would like a copy of the comparisons between the labours, to help you make up your mind whether or not you want to homebirth, or you simply just are curious, please pm me and I will email it to you. I have done it in a word document.
I look forward to sharing!
*~alegna~*
08-12-2006, 21:05
Would love a copy please bec! :thumbsup:
Shanaynay
08-12-2006, 21:08
Me too please.....my nest will be a homebirth hopefully :smiliedance:
I'll PM you my email!
Ok, to make life easier, I have managed to post the comparison on my blog. You can access it via clicking on my name in my sig at the bottom of my post.
Enjoy :thumbsup:
bekkyboo
09-12-2006, 08:51
Bec. You have mad me want a homebirth now...
thank you becca for this....
very interesting- and a sign. oskars birth didnīt fit in for them, i assume, would have taken too much of them- so it was "easier" to just cs....:thumbsdown:
i felt the same with my 2nd cs- i feel i could have done it, without this stupid induction!
but when i read the report and realising i HAD an uterus rupture (probably BECAUSE they induced me!!!!) i am a lucky girl.....
good on you!!!
i soo envy you for your experience- i will never have the possiblity to get there ......
bekkyboo
09-12-2006, 08:59
Bec, can you let me know some things?
How much does a homebirth cost?
Being a VBAC (and i have some other small problems) they may still class me as high risk, is it still possible to have a homebirth?
There are more - ill come back.
Bec, can you let me know some things?
With pleasure :D
How much does a homebirth cost?
Mine cost $2,500, and I used my babybonus to pay for it. Midwives are also able to organise payment plans (to pay back monthly for x amount of months), and I even had one friend, who is a well-known Perth artist, who is a SAHM and her DH is a uni student - So they are in no means wealthy! She bartared for payment, and her MW was able to pick some of her art that was of equivilant value to her costs.
Being a VBAC (and i have some other small problems) they may still class me as high risk, is it still possible to have a homebirth?
I dont know what your small probs are, but generally speaking, you shouldnt be seen as any riskier than me, considering I'd had 2 previous c/secs. Shop around for Midwives.
You will most likely be encouraged to have an ultrasound to detect where your placenta is lying, to rule out placenta praevia/accreta, as having either of those would make you high risk. My placenta was high on the posterior wall, which was good, because also my baby was encouraged to remain in the LOA position.
You will also probably be encouraged to book-in with a hospital as back-up (they like to have their stickers printed before you get there :rolleyes: ), and the hospy may tell you are high-risk, but you will know this is just scare tactics ;) .
Ultimately, your Midwife is the best judge of your risk level, as if she finds you too risky a case, she will not risk having you as a client, due to the terrible insurance problems Indie MWs have (ie, they cant get any, so if anything goes wrong, their whole careers are on the line). If you find a midwife willing to take you on, it is a good sign that she trusts your ability to birth your baby!
Get in touch with www.birthrites.org, as they should have midwifery contacts at their site, or atleast women you can contact in your area who will have midwifery contacts for you.
There are more - ill come back.
ask away!!
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bekkyboo
09-12-2006, 09:42
I have svt with my heart, and this is what they orginally booked me in for for the c/s (then G's heart rate went up and they rushed it through)... But my ob told me i would be able to birth naturally and it was my decision whatever the way. In the end some drs scared us a little (more hubby than me) and when booked in...
At the time of the next birth i will be on meds that settle my heart, so thats ok.
With G, eveything was fine other than my heart, perfect pregnancy...
Bartering hey... Wonder if a middie wants their house rendered.. hehehhehe
My other questions were what would you need for a homebirth... what things in the home i mean... and can you still have any form of medicated pain relief?
Shanaynay
09-12-2006, 11:27
Bekky - I think some middies will bring the gas with them.
Becca - I am desperate for a homebirth next time.
I've had a emergency csec followed by a VBAC. But I had about 1.5L of blood loss both times... (uterine atony) do you think a midwife will be worried about my history of blood loss or not?
reAllytee
09-12-2006, 14:39
Ummm Becca i know this really isnt something you can answer but im going to put it out there anyways heh.
Would i be suitable for a homebirth after all that happened with Boof ?
I have just found out i am pg with #2 & would consider it but i have a petrified DP who worries something may go wrong etc. Then when i have mentioned it to my mum & aunty who have had 8 kids between them & are usually really easy going etc they nearly had heart attacks ( they were at the birth btw ). They think after all the happened that i shouldnt even ponder it.
What would be your ideas etc ?
Being a VBAC (and i have some other small problems) they may still class me as high risk, is it still possible to have a homebirth?
From what I've heard youre far more likely to get a vbac at home than you are a hospy or birthing centre.
Hospy's and birth centres (which are usually ruled by the same procedures and protocols as hospys) can often class someone has likely to have a c-sec simply because they've had one perviously (as flawed as that "logic" is). It wouldn't be the same uphill battle to have a vbac at home that it might be in hospy or birth centre.
The other thing for mums considering homebirth to remember is that midwives are medical professionals. They are able to detect risks like a doctor would (sometimes better than a doctor could) and they're not going to let you or your baby come to harm while in their care. The other thing to think about is a lot of women are aware of something being not quite right with the birth before their care providers, so you don't always need to rely on the care provider.
I really wanted a homebirth last time and was too easily talked out of it by my DP.
I can't stop thinking "I coulda done it, I coulda done it".
I wish it wasn't so expensive here in Sydney, its not fair that its free in Adelaide but four grand here. Hmph. That really pees me off because I have to pay all of my baby bonus for something that someone else in this country gets for free. DP says if I want it then I have to pay for it.
Shanaynay
09-12-2006, 19:00
Allyoo - congratulations!!!
I'm not sure what happened at your birth. But I get the impression that most women can go for a homebirth - you just need to find the right midwife who is aware of your history, concerns etc...
Don't forget that your second birth could be way, way different for your first - mine was :) (thank god!)
reAllytee
09-12-2006, 19:07
Allyoo - congratulations!!!
I'm not sure what happened at your birth. But I get the impression that most women can go for a homebirth - you just need to find the right midwife who is aware of your history, concerns etc...
Don't forget that your second birth could be way, way different for your first - mine was :) (thank god!)
Awww thanks :o
Yeah i know it would be a case of finding a midwife confident enough to take me on. I guess im really worried about sorting my family out its not that they are against it totally my family are awesome its just they are rather scared as i said with all that happened last time. Heck even i am lol !!! Im just scared either way iykwim.
If i do end up in hospy im ok with that but i will have a doula at the very least but ive been wondering whether to have a private midwife even for that because while she may not have power in the hospy the fact she can keep me calm etc at home for as long as possible is a big thing for me. Plus then it means she can help me & even get the hospy to realise im serious about this birth not havin complications this time.
Auugh i could go on & on about this all nite lol & trust me now for the next 7mths you are all going to cop it :laughing:
Shanaynay
09-12-2006, 19:09
Ok Allyoo I found your birth story!
You certainly went thru an ordeal!
It seems like the big problems was labour starting on & off, and he was on the large side?
Your next baby may be smaller, my 2nd was full term yet a whole kilo lighter than my first!!!
Did they mention what postion he ws in? My first was in a shocking position so I ended up the with the cs. But my second was perfect. You can practice optimal foetal postion to help them into the best position for birth :thumbsup:
Not sure about the labour stopping and starting, but 2nd labours are generally far quicker (i think a general rule is half the time?)
Hope that helps!
I'll be interested to read Becca's reply...she is so inspirational!
ETA allyoo you posted while i posted. i hear you on the family thing......my mum was sick with worry when i was in labour with my 2nd as she was there for the first bith. now i'm telling her the next one will be a homebirth she just doesn't want to know! :D
reAllytee
09-12-2006, 21:30
Yeah my labour stopped & started what didnt help was the fact i was vomitting all the time. I think that stressed me too much which in turn didnt help my labour.
He was a very big bub just off 10lb & 57cms long !
When i get told my next will be bigger im like yeah thanks for that :rolleyes:
I was pretty lucky he pretty much had been in optimal positioning all the way through the pg etc so no-one was worried etc. Then come the labour he started spinning in the birth canal !!!!! Only my son could :rolleyes: . Everyone kept freaking out because they couldnt get him out while he kept spinning & doing strange things etc.
If i hadnt been so sick or laboured for so long there wouldve been a better chance for his birth & i know this.
Many say epi's are evil & yes they can be especially if forced onto a woman like c/s's but for me if i hadnt of had those few hours of rest there is no way i couldve even pushed for 30mins let alone 2hrs & 45mins like i did !!! I believe while being on my back was bad due to it, it also saved me from a c/s. Im also grateful my hospy turn the thing off so you can feel what you are doing ( well sorta :p ).
sounds like you shouldnt be high risk, especially since you can take meds....but check with the midwives you interview anyway....
I have svt with my heart, and this is what they orginally booked me in for for the c/s (then G's heart rate went up and they rushed it through)... But my ob told me i would be able to birth naturally and it was my decision whatever the way. In the end some drs scared us a little (more hubby than me) and when booked in...
At the time of the next birth i will be on meds that settle my heart, so thats ok.
With G, eveything was fine other than my heart, perfect pregnancy...
Bartering hey... Wonder if a middie wants their house rendered.. hehehhehe
You never know :laughing:
My other questions were what would you need for a homebirth... what things in the home i mean... and can you still have any form of medicated pain relief?
For my homebirth, I bought lots of painters plastic drop sheets (from diy shop), and cheap plastic table cloths from discount shops, and some of those 'care mats' (disposable change mats), though my mw had her own, I just used mine after she left, on the bed in case i leaked (sorry tmi!). I had a kettle to boil on stand by, in case anything needed sterilising, and lots of clean towels/bed sheets. You will need a clean towel/blanket specifically for bubs when he/she pops out. We also bought a plastic round cake container to put the placenta in. You could get a fancy tin I suppose, if you wanted to have a ceremony with it and bury it. We wrapped the container in silver paper and put flowers on it and buried it in the front garden. Another good thing to get, is those ketchup/mustard style squeezie bottles that you get at burger restaurants (you can get them at supermarkets usually) to keep on hand for afterwards if you graze or tear.....put some waterat body temperature in them and squirt as you go, iykwim ;)
in terms of pain relief, some midwives have gas, I think, but as Id had so much trouble with pain meds (gas gave me halluciniations) I preferred to not have anything anyway. I dont know if my MW would have brought a canister if I requested? You can always hire a birth pool to use as pain relief, the water feels wonderful! And remember, if it all gets too much, there is nothing to stop you from transfering. But to be honest, read up on active birth, and other books like 'childbirth without fear' by grantley d ick read, and it might change your perspective on it all. Also hypnobirthing is supposed to be really good. this web site might be helpful: http://www.homebirth.org.uk/pain.htm (tho a UK site, so i dont know if Aust mw's have pethidine with them!)
Bekky - I think some middies will bring the gas with them.
Becca - I am desperate for a homebirth next time.
I've had a emergency csec followed by a VBAC. But I had about 1.5L of blood loss both times... (uterine atony) do you think a midwife will be worried about my history of blood loss or not?
The only thing you can do is find out from the midwives themselves. Most midwives wouldnt touch me because I was going for a VBA2C, but I did find one with enough faith in me in the end. So shop around. If you want to get an idea of how midwives might generally feel about it, you can ask at this midwifery forum: http://www.midwiferytoday.com/forums/
Also, you can get a prescription of syntocin before the homebirth, so your midwife can administer it to prevent a bleed, once your baby is out, in much the same way they would do it in hospy. I have a friend who had a HBAC with a similar issue, and she did have to transfer after with a bleed, but then she had exactly the same experience after the c/sec with her 1st son, so she prefered to still homebirth to get that experience, and then just prepare to transfer for the bleed, and organise bubs to stay with her. She is due to have another baby next year, so I will be following her journey as to what she will do, and I know she has her heart set on another homebirth.
Knowing what she is going through with this issue, I can understand how this is a very difficult thing to have to take into consideration when planning a homebirth.
Ummm Becca i know this really isnt something you can answer but im going to put it out there anyways heh.
Would i be suitable for a homebirth after all that happened with Boof ?
I have just found out i am pg with #2 & would consider it but i have a petrified DP who worries something may go wrong etc. Then when i have mentioned it to my mum & aunty who have had 8 kids between them & are usually really easy going etc they nearly had heart attacks ( they were at the birth btw ). They think after all the happened that i shouldnt even ponder it.
What would be your ideas etc ?
I personally cant see why not, and in fact, if you have a less managed labour, with less interventions, then you are more likely to have less problems....this has been my experience, and that of other women I know who have chosen homebirth as the alternative after having had traumatic births (vb and c/sec)
It would be best to shop around midwives, as they dont charge you just to meet with them and dip your toes in the water.....so to speak....
if you want to find out a general opinion sooner, you can ask over here: http://www.midwiferytoday.com/forums/ and that might give you a general idea.....
congratulations, btw, on your marvelous news :party: wishing you a beautiful pregnancy and birth, YOU DESERVE IT!
I really wanted a homebirth last time and was too easily talked out of it by my DP.
I can't stop thinking "I coulda done it, I coulda done it".
I wish it wasn't so expensive here in Sydney, its not fair that its free in Adelaide but four grand here. Hmph. That really pees me off because I have to pay all of my baby bonus for something that someone else in this country gets for free. DP says if I want it then I have to pay for it.
this is a total bummer, and is what put me off having a homebirth with DS3.....and we all know how that ended....
I'm going to be discussing at a maternity care workshop tomorrow....hopefully some changes can happen!!
Phineas - I technically haemorraged the first time, a hb which ended in a fine transfer due to failure to progress, and a vb at the end, and my mw was fine with taking me on again second time round, I bled again, and she tried homoeopathics on me, to no avail, and stuck me with the syntocinon, and all was well.
Definitely have some on hand!! got it on perscription from my GP
I dearly hope you, and all the other women expressing a desire for HB get them!! It truly is an experience like no other.
Becca, pretty amazing about the similarities in your two births, and the amazingly different outcomes!
Ind MW's rock!
I often think about my first birth, and reckon that if I'd been in hospitalfor the whole thing, (instead of just the last hour) I would probably have been pressured to have a c/s, they wouldn't allow 12 hours pushing there!
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