View Full Version : Extremely moving Caesarean Art
WOW, these images are powerful:
http://cesarean-art.com/html/frames/framesetall2.htm
the thumbnails only contain a small snippet of each artwork.....click on them to see the entire pieces.
I really connected to all of these pictures. They really spoke deeply to me.
Would love to have some of them on t-shirts!
Honestly-
I think is is a BIG slap into my face!!
I NEEDED all my c/s and these pics are just tasteless!
(I am a very arty person myself- painting, drawing...ect.. but that ,for me, is just too much!- SORRY!)
I have seen these before and I can completely relate to some of them. My c/section was necessary but the trauma is still there for me, necessary or not. These images completely convey some of the thoughts and memories I have of my caesarean.
These are the thoughts and feelings of this woman, not meant to be a slap in the face to anyone. Please remember what section this is posted in.
Wow they are so moving...:( I did not have a c/s but I can honestly feel that womans emotional heartache...
How incredibly traumatic this obviously was for her :gloomy:
Beautiful though- very talented lady :yes:
Duchessa
03-12-2006, 12:37
They are very raw. Very evocative.
those pictures are disgusting. its sad to think that women feel like that.
melfunction
03-12-2006, 12:40
I found them very deep.....I hope painting these has helped the artist heal.
Little Gorilla
03-12-2006, 12:40
This artist obviously feels very strongly about the issue of caesars. They are very powerful images and she does get her story across.
ps to the people who are disgusted....they are ART...man!!!!
vanillabean
03-12-2006, 12:46
I tend to agree with Lila.
stellarella
03-12-2006, 12:49
Honestly-
I think is is a BIG slap into my face!!
I NEEDED all my c/s and these pics are just tasteless!
(I am a very arty person myself- painting, drawing...ect.. but that ,for me, is just too much!- SORRY!)
It is a shame you find them a "slap in your face" as if you consider yourself "arty" you would understand art is about expressing your thoughts feelings and emotions....its not meant to be pleasant and lovely (unless that is what you are expressing).
having said that you are more than entitled to your opinion...I can see it may be hard for some people to look at them depending on their situation however this is obviously what the artist is trying to do...provoke some sort of reaction...whatever that may be...
I think they are fantastic...and they have actually made me respond in a physical way I did not expect...I am almost aching...I feel a little ill and shakey....
they dont appeal to me. since i havent had a c-section i cant really relate to them. although they are very artisitic.
Wow.... they are amazing.... I wonder if she ships overseas.... they are very touching.... and from an artistic point of view very cool!
cherrypip
03-12-2006, 13:06
if this is how the artist felt about the birth of her child it gives me a very sad feeling :crying:
I think people would be surprised by how many people do have these feelings.
I can't speak for the artist, but if she's anything like me the pictures on the page only convey a portion of the hurt she's experiencing on the inside.
ButterflyMama
03-12-2006, 14:29
I'm an arty person myself but I did not connect one bit to these images. They seemed far too violent and morbid for me. I don't envision c/s like that. :no:
I find those pics to be very disturbing!!!
If you feel anything about these pictures, whether it be awe or disgust, the artist has done their job. To make people feel something when they look at them.:thumbsup:
I happen to think they are very good. The artist isnt saying your c section will be like this, she's not saying ALL c sections are seen this way, she is just expressing what she felt and probably still feels.......
Pippi Longstocking
03-12-2006, 14:48
Wow, they are intense!
To everybody that has expressed a negative opinion about these artworks, dont forget that art is an expression of the artists emotion. These works in particular are quite clearly about how the artist feels about her caesarean. I dont think she expects everyone to feel the same as she did. But good on her for being able to express how she feels in such an amazing way.
They are shocking. But that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Mybabble
03-12-2006, 14:48
i wish i didnt even look at them! They are horrible. I agree with missbehave...... violent and morbid
I thought they were disturbing and horrible and "how could they do that"... UNTIL I read the comments from people (FRIENDS) who have had a CS and I count myself soooo lucky that I never had one.
I didn't realise how deep the scar runs - emotionally.
Wow I must be a weirdo, I don't find them disgusting I find that I can relate to them especially #2 & #3 they don't shock me they make me wish that I could express my anger and deep sadness for women that have this coercive operation they way she has.
I did need my emergency c/section I do believe that, and what has happened has happened. I totally agree with her disclaimer
"Yes I have a healthy baby, but that's not all"
And if you have CHOSEN to have a cesarean and never desired to have an intervention free birth, then you can never ever truly understand the utter devastation that you had to be cut open and have your child extracted that way.
I happen to think they are very good. The artist isnt saying your c section will be like this, she's not saying ALL c sections are seen this way, she is just expressing what she felt and probably still feels.......
:yelclap: Very well said Natasha.:hugs:
Wow I must be a weirdo, I don't find them disgusting I find that I can relate to them especially #2 & #3 they don't shock me they make me wish that I could express my anger and deep sadness for women that have this coercive operation they way she has.
I did need my emergency c/section I do believe that, and what has happened has happened. I totally agree with her disclaimer
"Yes I have a healthy baby, but that's not all"
And if you have CHOSEN to have a cesarean and never desired to have an intervention free birth, then you can never ever truly understand the utter devastation that you had to be cut open and have your child extracted that way.
Exactly.... what she said!!!
I 'planned' to have the most natural birth experience possible.... did soooo much research etc and felt let down when that was taken away from me....
As much as I had a positive c-sect experience, to get so far naturally and then end that way was dissappointing for me, like there was something missing in the experience....
Don't get me wrong I have a beautiful healthy daughter that i cherish and adore above all else, but the birthing journey is an important one too... not just the end product!
Pippi Longstocking
03-12-2006, 15:12
Oooh, did you see the link to breastfeeding art?
I love this http://www.breastfeeding-art.com/
ummmmm-
i didnīt choose a single one of my 3!!! cs-
the first 2 were VERY traumatic, still i do not at all feel like these pictures show...
i agree the artist did a prefect job, to provoke- thatīs what was def. wanted.
for me personally, as said before- far too much!
Pippi Longstocking
03-12-2006, 15:24
ummmmm-
i didnīt choose a single one of my 3!!! cs-
the first 2 were VERY traumatic, still i do not at all feel like these pictures show...
i agree the artist did a prefect job, to provoke- thatīs what was def. wanted.
for me personally, as said before- far too much!
But Lila...it's good that you don't feel like these pictures show! But that doesn't mean that only your experience is valid. The artist clearly felt some pretty intense emotions about her caeserean and that doesn't make either of you wrong. Just different.
exactly them, thatīs why i said "for me personally"...:D
Pippi Longstocking
03-12-2006, 15:32
Cool :thumbsup: Was just trying to clarify the comment you made here
still i do not at all feel like these pictures show...
:)
SilverStarfish
03-12-2006, 15:36
I don't like them. I'm sure they are meaningful to the artist, but I do not relate to them on any level at all.
And very glad of it...
I don't like them. I'm sure they are meaningful to the artist, but I do not relate to them on any level at all.
And very glad of it...
:yes:
And I hope I never can relate.
Them - those breastfeeding ones are fantastic :D thanks for the link!
SilverStarfish
03-12-2006, 16:20
Yes, some of the breastfeeding ones were funny. Love the upside down Macca's sign one :laughing:
danielle13
03-12-2006, 16:23
I think these are amazing - a very honest, not to mention talented, portrayal of her feelings surrounding her c/section.
It's disappointing to see so many closed-minded comments about how "disgusting" and "horrible" these pictures are - do you not realise this is ART? Art is a form of self-expression, and I commend her for making them public! :yelclap:
Another post (can't remember by who now), said how sad it is that she views the birth of her baby in this way (or something along those lines) - that's a misconception, IMO. Just because she feels this way about the c/section, doesn't mean she feels the same about her baby's birth.
I can relate to alot of those images. The day I had my c/section was bittersweet. The birth of my daughter was the best moment of my life, the way she was born however, was the worst...
Alot of women feel incredibly violated after a c/section (whether necessary for the safety of the baby or otherwise) - just read some of the posts by your fellow bub-hubbers.
MummyCharmzy
03-12-2006, 17:16
wow they are raw and I can totally relate to them.
Especially the 'move your feet and you can see your baby'
DS went straight to special care, i was allowed to see him when I could get to him myself... this took almost 48 hours for me to get out of bed enough to get to him at the other side of the hospital.
ButterflyMama
03-12-2006, 17:21
I think they are fantastic based on the concept of how art works - to evoke an emotion. Whether or not it's a positive or negative reaction is irrelevant - if you feel one or the other, it's obviously touched you some how. It's all objective. That's the great thing about art - it has a different meaning for each person.
Wow... I have to say the artist has done well (after reading her disclaimer too) that i understand more now the after effects of a co-erced c/section than from reading stories (must be a visual creature).
I am just glad that my memories of mine are not like that - the only one i relate to is the ice one. So i giess i also appreciate much more that i can be positive about my c/s.
What's the go with the "move your feet" - is that normal? :eek:
Little Gorilla
03-12-2006, 18:16
I think they are fantastic based on the concept of how art works - to evoke an emotion. Whether or not it's a positive or negative reaction is irrelevant - if you feel one or the other, it's obviously touched you some how. It's all objective. That's the great thing about art - it has a different meaning for each person.
:yelclap: hooooooray!!!!! exactly:yelclap:
i have seen much more confronting art than this in my time...to me I would almost put this in the more tame basket...however, I can say this as I don't have any experience myself with caesars - so its not so personal to me.
reAllytee
03-12-2006, 18:44
I find them amazing & confronting.
I havent had a c/s so wouldnt know how i would feel if i had but i think mine would be more in your face if i painted how i feel about Boof's birth.
I think its great that this woman has been able to find a release for emotions in some way :hugs:
Shanaynay
03-12-2006, 18:59
Becca -
I need to thank you for posting the link to this art. I have often stuggled for words to describe my c-section (read: c-section, NOT birth!) experience, but these some of these images describe it even better to me than I can think about it myself!
Thankyou :hugs:
Shanaynay
03-12-2006, 19:06
Them-
awesome bf piccies! Check out my avatar :D
:gloomy: I've never had a C-section, and will be doing my best to never ever experience it.
I have tears rolling down my face.:crying:
~EmsMum~
04-12-2006, 08:00
all I can say is ... WOW
Shazbutt
04-12-2006, 10:25
I agree that her work is awesome, she's very talented, and gets her feelings/emotions across perfectly, but i find the pictures disgusting :(. All a bit morbid for me, and i'm sad for her that she feels that way about the birth of her child.
Both my c/s's were needed, the first an emergency, and i have none of the feelings of failure at all :no:. I got 2 beautiful healthy children from them....
BubbaNoogie
04-12-2006, 11:44
Have all the people who see this has a personal attack on them read her disclaimer???
They are very provocative paintings, it is very sad that she feels this way.
Makes me glad I have never had a C/S and hope i never will.
melfunction
04-12-2006, 11:52
Ok all you people who says these pictures are disgusting. This thread is for people who have got real emotional scars due to their experiences of c/sections.
You have no right to come in her and literally tell these women their feelings are disgusting, because that would be exactly how they see it.
danielle13
04-12-2006, 12:20
Ok all you people who says these pictures are disgusting. This thread is for people who have got real emotional scars due to their experiences of c/sections.
You have no right to come in her and literally tell these women their feelings are disgusting, because that would be exactly how they see it.
I'll second that!! :yelclap: :yelclap:
Truly powerful images. I have not experienced a c-section, but I still find the intense.
There was one image that I feel I can identify with; number7 "Never Letting Me Go". I feel that way about my (unsucessful) breastfeeding. I think about it every day and I have begun wondering if I'll ever get over it. I just can't let it go.
The artist is right - it's not JUST about a healthy baby. It's about us as well. How we feel about our births and ourselves as a whole directly affects how we parent our precious children, so yeah I get really annoyed when ppl throw that lame comment around.
actually melephant this is an open forum and everyone has a right to view their comments.
i had no problem with my c/sections (well they werent the nicest things ever but i understand necessary) and do not feel bad about it but do understand others do. if thre paintings help you or the artist all the power to you
the only painting i had a problem with is the colouring in for children. yes i do understand it was sarcastic i just think it was distasteful like we should be ashamed to tell our kids how some are delivered into this world
reAllytee
04-12-2006, 12:29
Ok all you people who says these pictures are disgusting. This thread is for people who have got real emotional scars due to their experiences of c/sections.
You have no right to come in her and literally tell these women their feelings are disgusting, because that would be exactly how they see it.
:yes:
The emotional issues which surround birth are so complex and so individual. It is not something that can be controlled or turned off, or made better by saying, 'at least my baby was healthy'. It's much, much more than that.
Ok all you people who says these pictures are disgusting. This thread is for people who have got real emotional scars due to their experiences of c/sections.
You have no right to come in her and literally tell these women their feelings are disgusting, because that would be exactly how they see it.
:yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap:
Mamaduke
04-12-2006, 12:40
I've had 2 ceasereans and I wasn't offended by the art...fortunately for me, I'm not one who sees my little boys' entries into the world as traumatic &/or violent so I can't relate personally to any of the work...except the one with the woman laying with the thorns and rose...add a baby into that piece and that summed up my breastfeeding experience perfectly.
The emotional issues which surround birth are so complex and so individual. It is not something that can be controlled or turned off, or made better by saying, 'at least my baby was healthy'. It's much, much more than that.
I have been trying for almost 9 months to put these same feelings that I have into an articulate sentence like you have.
Thank you. :)
No worries.
I'm not normally one to post about my issues or string a proper sentence together. Glad to be of assistance.:hugs:
No worries.
I'm not normally one to post about my issues or string a proper sentence together. Glad to be of assistance.:hugs:
:hugs:
Buddha Bubbas
04-12-2006, 13:08
WOW. beautiful but haunting at the same time. i can relate to being alone in recovery,
shower scene and about being happy you have a baby. so sad :crying:
what about being told you cant see your baby until you can move your legs! :mad:
MrsMiggins
04-12-2006, 13:45
I have just cleaned up this thread somewhat & would like to remind everyone that the thread has been posted in this section for very good reason.
The subject matter may be disturbing to some people, however this does not negate the artist or indeed anyone else's feelings regarding their own experiences. Particularly when having had an unwanted caesarian can be a very traumatic experience.
Please bear this in mind when posting your comments here and above all else, remember to respect others.
I really do not wish to keep having to edit & delete argumentative posts in this thread and if it cannot be kept civil & on track, it will be closed.
Also a reminder (for everyone) that argumentative and retaliatory posts are not welcomed in our forums. If you read a post that you have an issue with, please report it to the moderators by clicking the "Report A Post" icon at the top of every post. Any posts deemed to be argumentative or retaliatory will be deleted and (depending on content) may result in an infraction.
DragonFly Baby
04-12-2006, 13:56
I find the pics disturbing but very true and close to my soul:cool:
Briannabear
04-12-2006, 13:56
Gee they're pretty full on and emotive arent they.:yes:
SassyMummy
04-12-2006, 16:10
It's obvious that anyone who's a bit "outraged" by these images has absolutely no idea what it's like to feel similarly to the artist. Instead of feeling a bit grossed out, you should be thanking your lucky stars!
I definately agree with her disclaimer, in which she states that a healthy child is ALL that matters. Why aren't mothers considered to be a part of the birthing process... and that healthy babies are absolutely all that matters?
Good on the artist for publically expressing her feelings. While I'm not really one for relating to artwork (music tends to evoke more emotion from me, personally), I could definately understand some of the feelings she was trying to get across... and could understand it entirely.
It's obvious that anyone who's a bit "outraged" by these images has absolutely no idea what it's like to feel similarly to the artist. Instead of feeling a bit grossed out, you should be thanking your lucky stars!
:yes: :yes: :yes: :kiss:
I admit I felt them disturbing - but only in the sense that a woman can actually feel this way about an unwanted/unnecessary c/section.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that people shouldn't feel this way - but to think that they could have been spared these feelings by being provided with impartial knowledge and options is just really, very upsetting.
I was lucky enough to have a very positive experience with my c-section so I have no way of knowing what it would feel like for it to not be that way. I was still however presented with many options from my ob and together we decided c-section was the way for me to go. I had not had my heart set on a VB however, so would not even be able to begin to imagine the pain, hurt and confusion.
I think people who had positive c-sections and are offended by this should possibly refrain from judging in a thread that is specifically aimed at people wanting to share and explain their feelings of the aftermath of an unwanted c-section without being 'attacked' by those of us who are fortunate enough to never know what they are going through.
Thankyou Becca, they are very beautiful and thought provoking.
They took me right back.
Wow!! These pics are really moving. I personally love them.
Some of the comments in this thread has made me wonder how others (as in people who aren't parents or soon-to-be parents) would view/ react to them??
I think people who had positive c-sections and are offended by this should possibly refrain from judging in a thread that is specifically aimed at people wanting to share and explain their feelings of the aftermath of an unwanted c-section without being 'attacked' by those of us who are fortunate enough to never know what they are going through.
:yes: I had a wanted c section and completely agree!:yes:
Shanaynay
04-12-2006, 21:42
Some of the comments in this thread has made me wonder how others (as in people who aren't parents or soon-to-be parents) would view/ react to them??
That's an interesting question. I think the main emotions would be shock and disgust. I am shocked at these pics, and to me, there is an element of disgust in them (don't take this the wrong way, these pics convey my feelings about my csec exaclty, and that's how I feel about my onn csec: disgust) but while I feel those things, I also appreciate them because I can personally relate to the emotion conveyed......while others may just get the shock and disgust without and other emotion ot balance it out iykwim?
So on the whole, I think unfortunately many would view these images very negatively......
bearsmummy
04-12-2006, 22:21
Yes it may make you feel sad for those of us who felt this way but the reality is that alot of us do feel like this.
It does not make us wrong if we connect or not with this art, its what makes us all different. We all react differently with situations thrown at us in life so why would this be any different.????
I personally connected with alot of these paintings, especially the one where everyone held and saw her baby before she did. :(
The hurt the artist is feeling is exactly how i am feeling... its not anything we can control....
:hugs: to all the "gut club" as one painting referred to us as.
reAllytee
04-12-2006, 22:35
That's an interesting question. I think the main emotions would be shock and disgust. I am shocked at these pics, and to me, there is an element of disgust in them
I think most of us would feel that way & even me who hasnt had a c/s feels that way BUT the fact i have been through a traumatic birth i can certainly feel her rage & be almost brought to my knees with sorrow.
The fact she has been able to release these emotions i think is fantastic. I love to pain but hadnt even thought about painting how i feel in regards to Boof's birth, im certainly now considering it !
Emotions are always raw with things like this & its a personal thing no one can say she is wrong when this how she feels.
More power to her !
Emotions are always raw with things like this & its a personal thing no one can say she is wrong when this how she feels.
More power to her !
I agree:yelclap:
I looked at the pics, I had a vaginal birth not a C-sec so I do not feel her pain first hand but good on her for expressing it this way!! It will be much better out then rotting away inside of her!!
My birth was shocking & damaging to both me & my child so much so that I could never bring myself to have another child in fear that I will not cope with the fear of going down that same path :thumbsdown:
I found them amazing & sad but I also imagine they not only helped this lady heal in some way but also to release some pain & anger!! And that's a good thing!
Yes it may make you feel sad for those of us who felt this way but the reality is that alot of us do feel like this.
It does not make us wrong if we connect or not with this art, its what makes us all different. We all react differently with situations thrown at us in life so why would this be any different.????
Perhaps some of the people who were saying that they felt sad that people feel this way meant it in more of a supportive way but it just wasn't conveyed that way?
At least - I certainly hope that was the case!
I personally feel sad that any woman has been put in a situation that evokes those sort of emotions. I don't think it is wrong to feel this way of course but it's just really sad that in this modern day and age, we seem to have grown so much medically but have gone backwards in empathy and understanding.
FOURtunate
05-12-2006, 09:44
My Opinion -
The artist needs to seek urgent help from a counsellor to overcome some pretty freaky issues.
I have had two emergency caesareans, both preterm and under general anaesthetic. I didn't see my babies for 3 days. My husband didn't see his babies births. Countless strangers and family witnessed my babies first moments. Not me. I was in severe pain. The babies and I were in ICU''s in different hospitals.
Still I thank god for caesarean, and for our lives.
The pictures, to me, are tasteless, and only depict the unhealthy attitude that the artist has towards what is a life saving procedure for many women and babies.
But maybe these pictures have helped her to work through her 'freaky issues'.;)
I had a caesarean which saved my baby and my life, I'm very thankful that we are both alive, but that doesn't mean that I need to be happy about what happened to me or not have any negative emotions towards it.
OK I have already admitted to being a weirdo to relating to the pictures I guess I have some "freaky issues" too in that case.
Us humans are not all the same we have all had different life experiences and when we have new ones we all deal with them in different ways. Perhaps some people should respect that. Because if we don't respect one another where's our voice? we remain silent only to be thought of as "weirdo's with freaky thoughts"
I nearly died when I had Eliza I remember very little yet my DP who was ushered out of the room and saw the bleeding & who saw me doing whatever I was doing has been deeply traumatised by it, he looked at this art work and said I quote "that's gross" and then after a few more he said " I felt like that" I relate as I have said to her work she is suffering yet she is helping me & my DP in her expression.
So to the people who find it offensive just think before you post there are a lot of people out there traumatised & if that helps them deal with it then great. I am sure there are things in your life no matter how small or how great you would like to reflect on & that is what she is doing.
I am not against c/sections hell I might need another but when scary things happen to you, you wanna talk about it or express it & that is what she has done.
Im buying 3!! I think they are FAB! Im gonna put them up on my walls!!!:laughing: I love them....
Call me freaky....i dont care....:rolleyes:
Shanaynay
05-12-2006, 15:15
The artist needs to seek urgent help from a counsellor to overcome some pretty freaky issues.
Remember this is art!
On that note, would you consider someone who wrote perhaps slightly morbid poetry (Robert Browning perhaps ;) ) to have 'freaky issues'?
It is purely an expression of raw emotion and feeling..........done VERY well I might add........:thumbsup:
Don't worry Pix, us weirdos need to stick together.
I will admit I have just recently come up against lots of freaky issues regarding my c/section. PTSD - nightmares, flashbacks and a terrible sick feeling in my stomach. Very freaky. How I wish I had an out let like this woman obviously does. Good on her!
Thanks to everyone who has some understanding or can try and understand and have some compassion about it!
I luff ewes all.:hugs:
Natasha: LMAO, I luff ewe too....:laughing:
Does anyone know of any positive c-section art websites?
I find this completely and utterly foul.....I had one emergency c-section and the 2nd was elective. I had a bad first experience but a positive second experience.
Great for this women to be able to express herself but I would love to see some nice c-section art...
Pippi Longstocking
05-12-2006, 15:43
Does anyone know of any positive c-section art websites?
I find this completely and utterly foul.....I had one emergency c-section and the 2nd was elective. I had a bad first experience but a positive second experience.
Great for this women to be able to express herself but I would love to see some nice c-section art...
Why not make your own? In the same way that this artist has expressed her emotions so perfectly, you could too. Perhaps then others could call your work "completely and utterly foul" and denigrate your experience in the same way you have hers..... ;)
SilverStarfish
05-12-2006, 15:45
Does anyone know of any positive c-section art websites?
No, but I wouldn't mind seeing them if there are any out there. My c-section experience was 101% positive, so I can't relate to those images at all either.
I didn't like them.
Maybe the artist wants people to call it that?? I don't have a problem with it...thats my interpretation of it, no one else's.
Thats what art is about, touching people in all kinds of different ways!
I was just saying I would like to see some positive pics if anyone knew of any :thumbsup:
Yanno I don't want this thread closed so please lets everyone stay respectful! First time I have spoken out.
But really there are quite a few of us now saying we relate to these images by saying they are disgusting/foul/freaky/weird....whatever derogatory term you would like to use you are saying that our feelings and expressions are exactly that.
To be Frank if you can't relate, if you can't feel compassion, if you can't have respect for your fellow forum members then I suggest you keep your thoughts to yourself. Becca has posted something that has given us women something to look at and work with and experience and share with one another for me this is part of the healing process.
I've had the site open on a window on my PC since I first saw them.
I wish I'd seen them a few years ago as a picture paints a thousand words... the images have lingered in my mind but I feel like some stuff is being put to rest ifykwim.
I had beat myself up in the past because I thought I was the only one to feel like this, but it helps in a way to see that others have gone through it all too. I'm not so weird after all :o
I reckon they'd be a great resource for counselling women and their partners after a negative CSection.
Perhaps too they'd be good for medical staff as so many of the negative emotions we go through could be reduced with medical staff acting in a more sensitive manner and if women were given more choices and opportunities to VBAC. Too many of us seem to have had the insensitive comments from Obs and what about earning the right to see your baby :mad: That made me so angry. No woman and baby should have to endure that, not only is it harmful for bonding and breastfeeding, it is freakin' inhumane.
The breastfeeding pics are cool too, can't say I identify with the Goddess series, but I love the other ones. I might buy some.
Yanno I don't want this thread closed so please lets everyone stay respectful! First time I have spoken out.
But really there are quite a few of us now saying we relate to these images by saying they are disgusting/foul/freaky/weird....whatever derogatory term you would like to use you are saying that our feelings and expressions are exactly that.
To be Frank if you can't relate, if you can't feel compassion, if you can't have respect for your fellow forum members then I suggest you keep your thoughts to yourself. Becca has posted something that has given us women something to look at and work with and experience and share with one another for me this is part of the healing process.
:yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap:
i dont get it. im no art critic but isnt art ment to be personal and everyone interpret it or react to it differently? so why is it every post that claims the paintings are spiritual and magnificent are applauded yet those who find the artwork disturbing are told their opinion is cruel and unwanted?
would artwork depicting negative images of vb be so well recieved?
sugar n spice
05-12-2006, 18:09
those pictures are disgusting. its sad to think that women feel like that.
my thoughts exactly, shame some woman feel that way
Ana Gram
05-12-2006, 18:16
If I could paint or draw, I am sure I could do something as confronting as these about my "natural" birth.
everybody can paint!
just let the energy flow into the brush....:yes:
i do agree with suemp, though---
Yes it is a shame SnS.
This section is for people just like this woman. Which is why people might get upset about others opinions of the work. I am not going to stop people posting their thoughts on artwork but once again ask to post in a respectful manner to others.
If I could paint or draw, I am sure I could do something as confronting as these about my "natural" birth.
I know you could Chelle. It would be great if someone had some links to something like that. I've found this to be a big help with connecting to a lot of my emotions regarding my c/section.
Shanaynay
05-12-2006, 18:22
I was just saying I would like to see some positive pics if anyone knew of any :thumbsup:
Babytoo _ I'm sure there would be some out there!
would artwork depicting negative images of vb be so well recieved?
I think so actually! Just as there are people who have trauma after a csec, there are those women who have had trauma after a VB.
Those women I'm sure, would appreciate such a raw, emotional portrayal of their feelings after their VB just as I appreciate these of a csec.
the only issue I feel is negative VB art could be seen as quite frighteneing to women about to give birth. Pregnant women DO NOT like to get scared about birth!
Shanaynay
05-12-2006, 18:26
I know you could Chelle. It would be great if someone had some links to something like that. I've found this to be a big help with connecting to a lot of my emotions regarding my c/section.
Me too. These images have REALLY affected me - I think maybe perhaps they help my feelings feel validated...
...Chelle I know you have the same feelings about your VB. You know there would be many women out there who feel the same way. Maybe there is something out there similar to this cesearean art that is an expression of VB trauma.......
In Pam England's book 'Birthing from Within', (http://www.birthingfromwithin.com/) she encourages women to draw their birth experiences. I started an art journal at the beginning of my pregnancy with DS4, and as I slowly worked through my journey of dealing with my traumatic birth and learning to rethink and become positive about my impending birth, my pictures adapted accordingly.
The pictures in the beginning are very harsh, angry and depressing.....and in the end the pictures became positive, and joyful, and crucial to my visualisations and I used them during my birth to help me open up. Obviously worked a treat ;)
I encourage all of you who relate to these pictures in a similar way I do, to do this......If you can, get a copy of Pam's book to understand you dont have to be some kind of artist to do it.....alot of the examples she uses in her book have the mothers (and fathers) drawing with just stick figures.
I think it is really healing to do this.....you dont have to show anyone what you have drawn/painted.....but it is really helpful when it comes to expressing what you cant with words alone. See it as a visual punching bag. I always felt great release after expressing my feelings through this technique.....:thumbsup:
Ana Gram
05-12-2006, 20:20
I know you could Chelle. It would be great if someone had some links to something like that. I've found this to be a big help with connecting to a lot of my emotions regarding my c/section.
hmmm, I can do a great stick figure. DD can actually draw better than me and she is 2 :o
Little Gorilla
05-12-2006, 23:47
I am sharing my 'art' with you.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r208/kpow_01/DSC00077.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r208/kpow_01/DSC00076.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r208/kpow_01/Elliotandmummy.jpg
How beautiful....What a gorgeous piece of artwork ;)
phineas: as women who are pregnant do not want to be scared of upcomming vbs by negative artwork what about pregnant women who know they must have c/sections? are they not being scared?
Stellarella Quote I think they are fantastic...and they have actually made me respond in a physical way I did not expect...I am almost aching...I feel a little ill and shakey....
When I first saw them I really didn't think they were fantastic, I thought, wow this will really scare and hurt people having to under go an elected c-section, for medical or their own personal reasons.
Once I realized the thread that it was in, I did change my thoughts a little, and I did have the same reaction as Stellarella, it took me by surprise.
At the end of the day, art is to help the artist and in turn sometimes the viewer to deal with the emotions that they feel about the theme.
If this art helps other mothers who have had an unwanted c-section to think about how they too could express there emotions on it, then it has done a great thing.
No matter the birth outcome that you have, as a laboring woman, you do have the right to have a birth plan, that the place of birth should respect, with what you want to happen should an emergency c-section arrive so that you can have your wishes respected.
eg.skin to skin contact with either mother or father immediately after birth.
I really wish people wouldnt take such offense to these pictures, as these are depicting this woman's individual c/sec experience. She has never once declared that this is what c/secs are like for everyone.
I have had a positive c/sec experience (DS1), and a traumatic c/sec experience (DS3). I know from experience that there can be a difference. It is the fact that my 1st c/sec was so positive that it was really highlighted to me how bad my 2nd one was. There was absolutely no need for my 2nd c/sec to be a bad experience. I believe this artist is depicting this.
Thank God if you had a great c/sec experience! I thank God that my 1st c/sec showed me just how positive a c/sec can be if the hospital makes an effort for the birthing mother. So please dont take it personally, if you feel offended by these pictures. All it does is ridicule and de-validate others experiences and feelings, and that isnt fair to those who have genuinely been traumatised, or even just let down, by their c/sec experience.
We should be sharing the love :hugs:
I'm an arty person myself but I did not connect one bit to these images. They seemed far too violent and morbid for me. I don't envision c/s like that. :no:
ditto. though i have not had a c/sec, i'm in the process of trying to avoid one. these are frightening and so sad that women would feel that way. by saying sad that owmen feel that way, i mean its sad that women would feel so cheated and hurt by a c/sec, which i know i would and i'm now terrified and i only looked ta three images.
SamanthaJane
06-12-2006, 18:29
Woah.... obviously art is art... it is just an expression of one's feelings, and usually with art expressions are quite over-exaggerated.
But still, i dont like them one bit... and i think i would find the "women are not resealable baby containers" offensive if i had to have a c/s....
a bit of perspective please girls....
remember the section I posted this link in....
I didnt put it in the elective/positive c/sec section....
I put it in the avoiding/aftermath of unwanted c/section section.......
the artist was coerced into a c/section.
Just like the difference between being coerced into s ex with someone, and choosing to have s ex with someone.
If someone made art about being raped....would that put you off consentual s ex?
Please dont be frightened by these pictures....please understand them in the right context.
But still, i dont like them one bit... and i think i would find the "women are not resealable baby containers" offensive if i had to have a c/s....
I do see what you are saying, but I have had a c-section myself. Totally positive as I have said before, and I personally do not find any of these pictures 'offensive'. I myself didn't really like the pictures I must say, but cannot relate to the personal experience this woman and so many others have had.
I would be offended if I felt the pictures had said all c-sections are evil and the people having them mindless fools of course - but that was not the message I got - and I don't believe anyone on here has even hinted at that.
I would like to think that if someone has willingly made the decision for an elective c-section and is happy with that decision, then they would not look in this section of the forum without expecting to read stuff they wish they hadn't
Angelmist♥
06-12-2006, 22:32
i think she is great for beign able to put her feeling out there when so many of us carry it around and let it get worse.
I agree:thumbsup: My 3rd VB was really traumatic for me so I can (sorta) empathise with the artist.I think they're awesome TBH.
Little Gorilla
06-12-2006, 22:36
Let's all ponder the question...why do people produce works of art?
Would it be, in this example, to make women that have had caesareans feel "bad" about their decisions......I really think not.
Art is an outlet for a person...the same way writing a book is or acting in a play....people write books about bad caesarian experiences...I'm sure their are plays about bad childbirth experiences.
Personally, I think this lady is a great artist..I don't like her style or her subject matter...however, to have evoked such a response on a relatvely small audience...well, I would love my art to have such a response:thumbsup:
To have an audience that had no response to these works would mean that the artist had not conveyed any message through her work.
I'm offended by some pieces of artwork...but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate them.
Briannabear
07-12-2006, 06:42
Well said Bubba Ganoush!
lilpearl
07-12-2006, 08:26
Although I'm not into that particular style of painting (a bit too abstract for me), I do understand all the emotion the woman is portraying. I especially appreciate the "woman in mourning" one, where she is holding her baby. How very very true for most women who experience caesarean section.
Although I'm not into that particular style of painting (a bit too abstract for me), I do understand all the emotion the woman is portraying. I especially appreciate the "woman in mourning" one, where she is holding her baby. How very very true for most women who experience caesarean section.
Perhaps that should be for most women who experience unwanted caesarean section.
Sorry - don't mean to nitpick, but quite a few people I know have had c-sections, (some emergency, some elective), and all of them were fortunate enough to be happy with their choices and their experience. I don't want to take away from the artwork or this thread so apologies if I have done that, but I will naively admit that until I came on bubhub, I was not even aware that people suffered so much emotionally after a c-section they had been coerced into. Hell - I didn;t even know people were coereced into them!!
Very ignorant of me I know.
Pippi Longstocking
07-12-2006, 09:17
Just like the difference between being coerced into s ex with someone, and choosing to have s ex with someone.
If someone made art about being raped....would that put you off consentual s ex?
That is a really good analogy to put it in context. :thumbsup:
spiritedfamily
07-12-2006, 11:28
Being abit on the artistic side...I absolutely appreciate this women's self expression...not disgusting at all...a portrayal of what has been a nightmare for her. Very sad!!
If your heart is breaking and it affects your daily life...there has to be an outlet...or else one can breakdown. What I lovve about art is you can portray all your feelings in one stroke or the way you use colour...I like the way she's portrayed blood, it has a spiritual element to it...showing how much of her self is going with the loss of the blood. I could go on..
The colouring in picture appeals to me...cause we hide so much from our kids..they need to be educated too...we forget about their feelings and how particularly our girls need to have more facts at a younger age than they do
Thanks becca for the insight:thumbsup:
I have to agree with those who find the picture disturbing and morbid. I love art but for some reason I can't seem to appreciate this work.
I had an emergency c/s and all I felt when I heard DS' first cry was relief and happiness. I had no feeling of failure nor regret. It did not matter to me how DS arrived. All that mattered was he arrived, healthy and safely. I felt I was not in this alone because DH was right there next to me all through the procedure and it felt like we were doing it together. It was an amazing feeling.
I would like to think that if someone has willingly made the decision for an elective c-section and is happy with that decision, then they would not look in this section of the forum without expecting to read stuff they wish they hadn't
Sorry OT...
What about the women who are preggers, reading up on avoiding a c-section and/or the aftermath of an unwanted c-section (the title of the section). I know when i was pregnant i did - probably explains why i was absolutely terrified when they told me that i had to have an emergency c-section. If i had seen these pictures while still pregnant (while they may not apply to all) i would have been more terrified still. I find it slightly strange that someone said before that negative v/b art would be welcome, but they may have an issue with it scaring pregnant women - what about em c/s women? You know, the ones that haven't mentally prepared themselves for a c/section? Do we not count? Or are we supposed to be scared ****less of what is about to happen to us? How much harder is it to make it a positive experience if you're already negative about it?
I am not denying that women have birth trauma, or that they should deny they are (and tell all pregnant women that it doesn't hurt), and there is a place for these paintings, as there should be for v/b trauma paintings. Why is it that everyone goes on about how the artist should express her feeling and how fantastic the paintings are and how it touched everyone, but women who've had a traumatic v/b get written off - wouldn't want to scare the preggers ladies. I'm over the double standards.
Thank-you Becca for these paintings, and also for the other positive thread (although i have noticed that it hasn't gotten quite so much support ;) ). Thank-you for also admitting that your first c/section was positive (although maybe unnessessary) to read that you think that, would have had far more impact (knowing that you are not a c/s fan :p ) on me as a pregnant woman.
(Sueliz - am not having a go at you - your post was the easiest to find.):D
(Sueliz - am not having a go at you - your post was the easiest to find.):D
No worries Kelli79 - I didn't think you were!!!
I think I was trying to say that women who were having a c-section and looking in this section should really almost expect that the stories here would be scary - if that makes sense. I just didn't word it right and sounded a tad insensitive!!
I agree completely with you in regards to vb art - and I think the reaction to it would be the same - many would find it disturbing and disagree, and many would find it touching and could relate to it. It would be interesting to see if people who appreciate the c-section art would feel the same way about traumatic vb art! I would think that most of them would.
I also know what you mean about the positive thread - I tried to start one about sharing positive c-section stories and got one response! (It was saying there was a similar thread already which might be why no one would respond - but that thread seemed to have died which is a real shame as there really are mnay positive c-section stories out there!)
II also know what you mean about the positive thread - I tried to start one about sharing positive c-section stories and got one response! (It was saying there was a similar thread already which might be why no one would respond - but that thread seemed to have died which is a real shame as there really are mnay positive c-section stories out there!)
Its still alliiiiiive hehe, its just waiting for someone to post in it....:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Before DS arrived I knew that I wanted vb but I kept an open mind that there could be a chance for c-section.
Having an event organising background, Murphy's Law of "anything that can go wrong will" always applied. Guess I prepared myself for whatever needed to happen.
I do not view c-section as something to be upset about. Maybe it's because I have been around a few ladies in my family who've had emergency c-section and have been very positive about it.
spiritedfamily
08-12-2006, 09:26
I am not denying that women have birth trauma, or that they should deny they are (and tell all pregnant women that it doesn't hurt), and there is a place for these paintings, as there should be for v/b trauma paintings. Why is it that everyone goes on about how the artist should express her feeling and how fantastic the paintings are and how it touched everyone, but women who've had a traumatic v/b get written off - wouldn't want to scare the preggers ladies. I'm over the double standards.
I think that it doesn't matter what your birth experience is....if art is your self expression then I think that one is entitled to express the experience through this medium...whether it be a positive, negative or neutral experience...I agree if you had traumatic v/b...then there is nothing wrong with expresssing this, if one needs to heal and one way is to paint about it, then why not...art does reflect life and if the artist experiences trauma or happiness and wants to put it on canvas...why not?
In terms of putting pregnant women off natural birth because of whats in the c-section or vaginal birth section is not a good excuse to sensor (I'm in agreement) . No matter what we do in life, doesn't one try and gain as much information as possible...looking at all the positive and negative bits...and then make a choice as to what direction they want to aim at.. An open mind is usually favourable
Art is art is art...and no matter what we feel about the subject....its still art...
In terms of putting pregnant women off natural birth because of whats in the c-section or vaginal birth section is not a good excuse to sensor (I'm in agreement) . No matter what we do in life, doesn't one try and gain as much information as possible...looking at all the positive and negative bits...and then make a choice as to what direction they want to aim at.. An open mind is usually favourable
This is what I meant - you just said it so much better :D
tiarnasmummy
08-12-2006, 09:43
[quote=Damona;885583]I think that it doesn't matter what your birth experience is....if art is your self expression then I think that one is entitled to express the experience through this medium...whether it be a positive, negative or neutral experience...I agree if you had traumatic v/b...then there is nothing wrong with expresssing this, if one needs to heal and one way is to paint about it, then why not...art does reflect life and if the artist experiences trauma or happiness and wants to put it on canvas...why not?
I totally agree - its about your own view on your own experience and expresing it the way you want.
KarniF00l
08-12-2006, 09:46
I think they're fantastic and i don't even know what it's like to have a C-sec. What a great way to express your pains!
Thanks for posting that becca74 :thumbsup:
danielle13
09-12-2006, 06:52
I says to em that we are under so much pressure to be good mums right form the start.
Dont complain about the birth or that might mean you dont really love your child.
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Its ok to see your childs birth as traumatic. It doesnt mean you see your child as the cause.
......
It is wonderful some women say all I wanted was a healthy baby..well yes thats what we all want but a healthy body and mind would not go astray.
I kinda hoped to come out with my dignity and pride in tact too.
I couldn't have said it better myself! Of course we all want a healthy baby, it's just unfortunate that alot of people have the view that it's selfish to have negative feelings towards the birth. Being unhappy about the way our children are delivered doesn't in any way mean that we're unhappy with our children.
I know it's probably a difficult concept to grasp, for those who haven't had a traumatic birth experience, but so many issues, both internal and external, arise with an unwanted c/section.
"A healthy body and mind would not go astray" - too right! Along with the obvious physical pain and discomfort after a c/section, there's also the hidden pains, such as the feelings of failure, of our bodies not being able to achieve what billions of others have before us. There's the emotional scars of the feelings of helplessness, that our child's birth was completely in the hands of others, of strangers even. There's the trauma of laying under lights with a team of doctors standing above us, half naked and vulnerable, cutting us open. That alone is enough to conjure up the deepest of angst. It's great that so many women feel positive about their c/section experiences, but unfortunately those of us who don't, we are often labelled as "ungrateful" for our children - so wrong.
It really bothers me when I read how "disgusting" people find these images - when they're a representation of her feelings. Does that make the artist "disgusting"? Does it make us who can relate to her feelings "disgusting"? I think if everyone digs deep enough, they'll find issues that they too could express this graphically. It's just a matter of finding the will TO express it really.
It's two months today since my emergency c-section and while the physical scars have pretty much healed, the emotional scars from birth trauma are still as raw as ever. I thought I was feeling better about it all but when I looked at these images the tears started to flow...especially 'it's MY baby but I got to see and hold it LAST' - that's the thing that still haunts me the most.
I still grieve for 'losing' the first 2 hours of my son's life. I still feel the pain of loneliness and abandonment, lying empty, alone and 'discarded' in theatre and in recovery after he was taken out of me. After carrying his little body inside me for 9 months and loving him and feeling him close to my heart, he was suddenly gone after a brief glance without me even being able to touch or hold him once (the spinal paralysed my arms). I didn't have a photo to look at, I had no idea where he was, or even if he was OK after him being in 'distress' through the whole labour. I have never felt so bereft.
No matter how much time passes and no matter how healthy and wonderful he is, it will always make me feel so sad, that I wasn't really 'there' for his birth moments (I was just the empty 'carcass' on the table - that's how I felt at the time) and that I wasn't the first to hold him and kiss him and speak to him and welcome him into the world :gloomy:
Pippi Longstocking
13-12-2006, 08:59
It's two months today since my emergency c-section and while the physical scars have pretty much healed, the emotional scars from birth trauma are still as raw as ever. I thought I was feeling better about it all but when I looked at these images the tears started to flow...especially 'it's MY baby but I got to see and hold it LAST' - that's the thing that still haunts me the most.
I still grieve for 'losing' the first 2 hours of my son's life. I still feel the pain of loneliness and abandonment, lying empty, alone and 'discarded' in theatre and in recovery after he was taken out of me. After carrying his little body inside me for 9 months and loving him and feeling him close to my heart, he was suddenly gone after a brief glance without me even being able to touch or hold him once (the spinal paralysed my arms). I didn't have a photo to look at, I had no idea where he was, or even if he was OK after him being in 'distress' through the whole labour. I have never felt so bereft.
No matter how much time passes and no matter how healthy and wonderful he is, it will always make me feel so sad, that I wasn't really 'there' for his birth moments (I was just the empty 'carcass' on the table - that's how I felt at the time) and that I wasn't the first to hold him and kiss him and speak to him and welcome him into the world :gloomy:
No words, just :hugs:
:hugs: Kimba it's hard isn't it, no one understands unless you've been there I have as have some of the other girls here. I wish I could say time heals but for me it hasn't I often get so deeply upset that it was nearly 3.5 hours before I saw my DD:hugs::hugs: we'll get there.
Wow Kimba, your words took me right back to that 'place'......:crying:
Huge :hugs: to you , you beautiful woman!!
OK I have read all responses so far and I still think the pics ARE a slap in the face.
It de-values my birth experience (which was a medical necessity and which I quite enjoyed) and I find that very insulting.
To me its obvious why the artist is still feeling the 'pain' of her experience; how is wallowing in the negative aspects of the experience going to allow anyone to heal?
To me its obvious why the artist is still feeling the 'pain' of her experience; how is wallowing in the negative aspects of the experience going to allow anyone to heal?
If you have a bad experience surely you should be allowed to grieve over it - why do you feel this artist should not be allowed to grieve?
you grieve, you accept and you move on.
Excellent question OM.
LMTB, you've obviously ignored the repeated requests to post in a manner that is respectful to the section that this thread is in. I'm surprised that through reading all of the posts in this thread it hasn't helped you have some understanding of the trauma this woman and many others like her have experienced.
For some people it isn't as simple as that. I'm glad you had a positive experience, that's great for you, but many others haven't. I also think that this artwork is part of the grieving process for this woman. It all helps.
Pippi Longstocking
14-12-2006, 08:00
you grieve, you accept and you move on.
You can't tell others how to grieve though. Grief is a personal thing. People do it in different ways. It is their grief and they need the space to do it their way.
you grieve, you accept and you move on.
You grieve and you accept.
i haven't had a c-sect but i know what it's ike to grieve. You don't move on - not until you're ready to which could take years.
I emailed the artist and shared my frank view, that they shocked me however I also said that with a discussion about them with friends you had a c-sect they helped me to understand how and why my friends felt like they do. I thanked her for that.
She appreciated that I'd taken the time to email her and she always wonders what those who had a natural birth thinks about her paintings. She's also glad she's helping people understand.
I never said she should grieve MY way, simply that I found the artworks de-value my birth experience.
Art is also a personal thing, one painting can be interpreted millions of ways, this is the way I see it, what it says to me. Am I entitiled to that?
Thats not to say everyone sees it that way.
As for her grief, thats what I see in her paintings. Again its a personal interpretation, I don't expect you to see it that way.
OK I have read all responses so far and I still think the pics ARE a slap in the face.
It de-values my birth experience (which was a medical necessity and which I quite enjoyed) and I find that very insulting.
While I respect your opinion to not like this art, I am not sure how someone else's interpretation of their own personal experience can de-value your birth experience. I had a c-section too, and it was a positive experience for me and I certainly do not feel that this art takes that away from me at all.
I never got from these pictures that the artist was depicting all c-sections through her art, but rather how she personally felt in the situation. And yes, I too can see the grief in these paintings, and the grief at not being able to move on. I do not believe she is 'wallowing' however, but actually trying to work through her grief. And this is the way she is choosing to do so - just as you 'chose' to look at these paintings on this link.
I agree with PN - no one can de-value your birth experience except for yourself.
OK I have read all responses so far and I still think the pics ARE a slap in the face.
It de-values my birth experience (which was a medical necessity and which I quite enjoyed) and I find that very insulting.
To me its obvious why the artist is still feeling the 'pain' of her experience; how is wallowing in the negative aspects of the experience going to allow anyone to heal?
I can understand if you felt this way if I'd have placed this thread in the 'positive c/sec experiences' section of Bubhub.
Why do you frequent this section of Bubhub if you cant relate to we how need this section to work through what we are going through?
that is more of a slap in the face to those who are grieving and making desparate attempts to truly move on from an experience that simply comes back to haunt us, no matter what steps we take to 'move on'.
My husband told me to 'move on', a few days after I had my traumatic c/sec. I thought I did, and bottled all this up, and then 18 months later, upon finding out I was pregnant again, I developed a severe mental health problem that needed professional help in treating.
We are not going to shove these issues under the carpet. It is not healthy, regardless of how uncomfortable it makes others feel. It needs to be exposed, dealt with and validated.
If you dont like it, then please avoid this section of Bubhub.........
if this is how the artist felt about the birth of her child it gives me a very sad feeling :crying:
I agree. I understand the hurt she must have felt when she couldn't deliver naturally and was 'made' to have c-section as this is my story too (and many others) But still, the birth of my gorgeous little guys (even if they did come out from further up my body) was an incredibly joyous experience for me. I think if you feel the need to grieve, it's important too, and I know that the artists is working through her own grief in her own way... but like gypsygirl said, it's extremely sad that these are the feelings she associates with the birth of her child/ren. I actually feel like crying i grieve so much for THEM, the children, to have their entry into the world associated with such trauma for their mother.... I hope this did not hinder the bonding process... it's not their fault.
I loved my c-section. I wanted a natural birth, but when Jordan stopped breathing and Ollie was being strangled by the cord my only thought was to get them out ALIVE, as quick as possible. I can think of some pretty shocking art I could have drawn if I was allowed to continue (or didn't have the option to stop) birthing them naturally.
Little Gorilla
14-12-2006, 13:36
Gees...these are artworks about ONE person's particular experience.
I can't understand why everyone is getting so worked up about it all....I appreciate them as pieces for art....they are not representative of ALL womens cc experiences.
They are the artists feelings and experiences expressed through art...gees..what if she had written a story or book about what she went through....what would be everyone's responses then...far out!!!
I've just deleted numerous posts. In future anything that is posted that is not supportive of the people this section and thread are designed for will be deleted.
This is a thread of support, to help others who may have similar feelings, not a thread to critique the art work.
Gees...these are artworks about ONE person's particular experience.
I can't understand why everyone is getting so worked up about it all....I appreciate them as pieces for art....they are not representative of ALL womens cc experiences.
They are the artists feelings and experiences expressed through art...gees..what if she had written a story or book about what she went through....what would be everyone's responses then...far out!!!
Absolutely 100% agree. I had a great natural birth and I can still understand how she's feeling and why she needed to get this out... I have done paintings and drawings of other traumatic experiences in my life to try and help me move forward- which I believe is exactly what she is doing.
She is obviously an incredible artist to create such an impact on people, and to move someone like me to feel the way I did when I first saw them... Someone who has never been in this exact situation.
All the power to her IMO :thumbsup:
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