Other Parents and Christmas

[catalicious]

I know there has been similar threads to this But I am so angry!

Lochie came home from Daycare Yesterday really upset because another boy at school told him Santa isnt real!!!


This is what I personally believe!

I think the parents that dont let their kids believe in Santa are Very Very Selfish, Ecspecially if they are parents that did have Santa in their lives growing up.

Yes ok there are some types of Religions that dont 'do' Santa, and this is fine!

But for some parents not for religious reasons to say no he isnt real just because "i dont want to lie to my children' please.

If you dont want to tell your kids that there is a Santa then dont tell them anything about him.

Dont say he isnt real so your children can potentially ruin a very important part of MINE and im sure alot of other childrens year.

Just say something like he brings some kids presents but I just get yours. The wording parents use is very influencial of what they will say. I know my some is a parrot with what I say.


That would sound way better coming out of a kids mouth instead of what Lochie got told "Well your mum lied because santa is not real" I had to go up to the school and get him he was so upset.

Would this make other parents angry??

:xmas: Far Out I Love Santa and I am a parent!!:tree:

[Ana Gram]

This is what I personally believe!

I think the parents that dont let their kids believe in Santa are Very Very Selfish, Ecspecially if they are parents that did have Santa in their lives growing up.

Yes ok there are some types of Religions that dont 'do' Santa, and this is fine!

But for some parents not for religious reasons to say no he isnt real just because "i dont want to lie to my children' please.

If you dont want to tell your kids that there is a Santa then dont tell them anything about him.

Dont say he isnt real so your children can potentially ruin a very important part of MINE and im sure alot of other childrens year.

Just say something like he brings some kids presents but I just get yours. The wording parents use is very influencial of what they will say. I know my some is a parrot with what I say.


That would sound way better coming out of a kids mouth instead of what Lochie got told "Well your mum lied because santa is not real" I had to go up to the school and get him he was so upset.

Would this make other parents angry??

:xmas: Far Out I Love Santa and I am a parent!!:tree:


Excuse me! How dare you! It is not my responsibility to make YOUR child's Christmas special, that is your responsibility.

What I tell my child about Santa when she asks since she sees Santa everywhere, is my business. I am not going to say nothing.

[catalicious]

Since a huge portion of the Country would have "SANTA" in their childrens lives, I think it is very selfish indeed to have your children tell other children that Santa isnt real because thats what you want her to believe!!!

Im not a religios person but If loch asked about God and stuff I wouldnt say he is not real all your friedns who said he is is lying!!

I think it is irresponsible to say things like this to children in a way that reflects negativly on what other people have told their children.

[RoarsomeMum]

Hollywood, good on you for wanting your loch to belive in Santa. It is a hard one..

I would not be mad, but I would have to choose where to go with "santa" if I was in your boat, I would say to Loch, Some people belive in Santa, some dont.. Some say he is a real man, some say he is an idea, that makes people happy. Loch is going to have to decide for himself what/if anything he wants Santa to be for him...

I hope its a few years off yet.

Merry Xmas Hollywood:tree:

[Milliner]

That would upset me too if I was lochie and someone said "your mummy lied" but I don't think that there is anything that you can do about other parents and what they tell their childeren. Having said that I would be upset if someone spoilt it for Bailey.

[KarniF00l]

Woah.. you are making a big call there. I don't think it's any of your business what and how other parents tell their children about santa.

Thats just like saying, if you want to keep telling your child and give them false dreams and hopes then thats your prerogative not anyone else's.

In the end, they find out eventually don't they. Wait until your DS starts school, you're in for a big shock what he picks up from other children.

[Little_Toad]

I think in many cases it isn't the parents telling their children, it's older children telling little ones that Santa isn't real.

Just tell your DS Santa is real for those who believe in him and that other little boy wont get any pressents from Santa cause he doesn't believe.


He is real isn't he?

[Ana Gram]

Again, it isn't MY responsibility to keep your christmas or anyone else's christmas the way they want. I could say the same thing really. I could say that you are selfish for forcing Santa onto my child. I don't expect you to go along with my family's christmas, so why should I go along with your's just to keep you happy?

Why should I go along with the majority if I don't want to?

I think there are a lot more irresponsible things that parents tell their children. I will not listen to someone calling me selfish and irresponsible over a non belief in Santa. How ridiculous.

[Chickadee]

I realise you're upset Hollywood, but don't take it out on other members here. I don't think there is anything 'selfish' about telling the truth to my own child if she asks if Santa is real or not. I would ask her not to tell other children, which is how some of my very religious friends have managed it - asking their kids not to ruin it for other kids.

[mum33]

I agree with the OP.

[Mamaduke]

I totally agree with you Hollywood!
Children can't keep anything to themselves let alone such a huge 'secret' like Santa isn't real.
Couldn't the wording be changed from "He isn't real" to
"He doesn't come to our house"
"Why?"
"Because he doesn't need to"
which would put the emphasis on how things are done in one's home instead of bang...not real...now run off and tell everyone.
There's no lying or deceit in it - I mean, I know there are children who are into certain things at Jesse's kinder that I don't believe in or think appropriate but when he brings up the subject I just say "that's not what we do in our family" - it's not saying that the other family is wrong but it's focusing more on us rather than others.
Nobody wants their child (or anyone else's child) to be upset &/or cry...a little tact in this subject just wouldn't go astray...and the parents of the "little believers" will thank you for it!

[RoarsomeMum]

I just say "that's not what we do in our family" - it's not saying that the other family is wrong but it's focusing more on us rather than others.


I really like that wording Mamaduke:yes:

[Seekrit]

What have you told Lochie?
Did you tell him that the little boy is just cranky because he's on the naughty list?
Did you tell him that the little boy was just telling porkies?
Did you ask him how you can afford all the presents and if santa wasn't real, how do they just turn up at midnight?
Did you ask him how, if Santa isn't real, is he in the shopping centre right now?

If you want your child to believe in Santa, it's YOUR job to keep the magic alive, not anyone elses.
I love santa myself, and my boy will know about him, and I'll be upset if someone else ruined the image for him... but I'll also try to keep him believing for as long as I can. :)

[Little_Toad]

Yeah Shed!!!

[catalicious]

I would not be mad, but I would have to choose where to go with "santa" if I was in your boat, I would say to Loch, Some people belive in Santa, some dont.. Some say he is a real man, some say he is an idea, that makes people happy. Loch is going to have to decide for himself what/if anything he wants Santa to be for him...

Merry Xmas Hollywood:tree:

Thankyou. He watched a movie called In search Of Santa, Which has the older penguins (its all penguins) saying he is a lie, so now he is saying Santa isnt a lie is he mummy, I thought he said he isnt alive. I nearly choked.

[QUOTE=mum2bailey;854290]That would upset me too if I was lochie and someone said "your mummy lied" QUOTE]

It wouldnt be a nice thing for a kid to hear.

I dont believe in Santa or get my Kids to Believe in Santa (I believe because of the nice feeling the idea of him brings to christmas) because everyone else does. Just Because it is something to look forward too, the good things in the world today are becoming less and less, I will not expect my kids to grow up too quickly childhood is all about having dreams and immaginations.

Karnifool- I knew it was a big call to make when I posted it but I was furious and still am angry. But I just like everyone else here am here to say what I think and feel about things.

I dont expect everyone else to agree or side with me but just like all the other threads on this forum its how I think, feel or see things.

[TwoBlue]

If you want your child to believe in Santa, it's YOUR job to keep the magic alive, not anyone elses.

I agree with this... our children (those of us who do Santa) are always going to come in contact with other Children whos family does not celebrate "santa"

I would say to Lochie, Wait and see if he leaves you presents on Christmas day, then you'll know if he is real or not ! :yes:

[catalicious]

Couldn't the wording be changed from "He isn't real" to
"He doesn't come to our house"
"Why?"
"Because he doesn't need to"


"that's not what we do in our family" - it's not saying that the other family is wrong but it's focusing more on us rather than others.


Thankyou, i didnt say nonbeliever children should believe. I said change the wording. Your wording is Perfect Mamaduke.


What have you told Lochie?
Did you ask him how you can afford all the presents and if santa wasn't real, how do they just turn up at midnight?
Did you ask him how, if Santa isn't real, is he in the shopping centre right now?



Lochie is only 4 but he knows that Santa only comes when you are asleep, and that he prefers it if you are a good boy. I know its my job but I just think children can say things that are really hurtfull when they are told things that are probably too complicated for them to understand.


awww honey :hugs:

I will tell my children that he only comes to those who believe im him.
Its not a bad thing its just like God is only important in the lives of those that believe he exists.

In a way its a good thing to encourage children to accept different beliefs..

Be careful not to say that the child that does nto believe is naughty as that can be way worse..as they are not naughty...just different kwim?
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I agree with these statements, thanks for your opinion.

Santa is definatly coming to this house, for as long as possible. My parents still put out our presents in the middle of the night because it is special.

[catalicious]

Yeah Shed!!!

Did i miss a post??

[Mamaduke]

Your wording is Perfect Mamaduke.

Oh it always is Hollywood...always is! :rolleyes: ;)

[catalicious]

I have noticed that Mamaduke!!:laughing: :rolleyes:

Where my wording always gets me into trouble.

If only you guys could see just how much...:laughing:

[Little_Toad]

Did i miss a post??

OOPPS .. YEAH SEEKRIT!!!

[my_lot]

id be upset if my 4 year old came home from pre-school with "santas not real" id think he was a bit young to hear that.

my older two are at primary school so have had kids say this to them, but this is the age that you can expect them to question it and maybe hear that "hes not real" talk at school.

HOLLYWOOD- i agree some parents could word what they are telling their kids a little better as some kids do repeat things to other kids..but the child that said this to your son may have older siblings and has heard it from them NOT the parents.....

i think its good to teach the kids really young not to repeat things! i am always reminding my kids of this.. but have been on the other end of a child "mouthing off" about something i didnt want my child hearing.

my 9 year old came home from school telling me a girl in her class had told her how babies were made...she went on to repeat what this child had said. it was a very long detailed ( way too much detail ) description ..when i went to talk to the teacher i was thinking what parent in their right mind would say this to a 8/9 year old girl??..the teacher said this child has older siblings and "hears it all".

i sorted the "santas not real" one out very easily compared to this one!! :laughing:

[rynosmum]

I could argue this point but when it comes down to it, if I saw the hurt in my son's eyes that I imagine you saw in your little boy's eyes, I too would be hoping for what you are.

If another kid said something to my child to dampen his wonderful joy of Santa, I'd feel the same.

Cuddles to your little Lochy.:hugs: The innocence of childhood should be spared at all costs. Although that's just my opinion. Kids should be kids.:thumbsup:

[MummyCharmzy]

Of course I think all parents have the right to teach there children whatever they want in regards to santa but I think they should go about it with some tact and explain to there children that other children DO believe in santa and thats okay but you cannot tell them santa is not real as to them maybe he is?

It is okay to tell your children whatever you want - it is not okay to allow your children to ruin it for others imo.

[spiritedfamily]

This is what I personally believe! - you are so entitled to your opinion or belief as equally as anyone else is.


I think the parents that dont let their kids believe in Santa are Very Very Selfish, Ecspecially if they are parents that did have Santa in their lives growing up. - I grew up with Santa but I don't teach santa to my kids because I do believe it is a deception...thats my personal belief. Secondly I belief that Jesus is the reason for the season and his message and focusing on santa and the commercial side can take away from this.


If you dont want to tell your kids that there is a Santa then dont tell them anything about him. - I don't need to tell them anything, its all out there...all the santa information comes at them from everyone and the only thing i've taught them is where santas place is in our beliefs and more so about St Nick than the Coca Cola man in red suit


Just say something like he brings some kids presents but I just get yours. The wording parents use is very influencial of what they will say. I know my some is a parrot with what I say. - I teach the origins of Santa and talk to them about how the commercial santa came about today...so I teach the goodwill message. I do illustrate to them that some kids believe in santa and their Mum's don't want them to know he's not real and so they are to keep it to themselves...so far they have.


This is the beginning of so many things that will upset your son...he is apart of a wider community with such diverse ideals and beliefs and you can't control that but perhaps focus on how you can keep his spirit strong and help him to stand by his beliefs.

[sam's mum]

Sooner or later your son would have heard this message, it is just a shame that it happened sooner.

I am one of the 'selfish' parents who chose not to give my child presents from Santa. I didn't tell her that Santa wasn't real though, I told her about St Nick and that Santa is not a real person, but a representation. (smaller words when she was little) I also told her that other parents teach their children that Santa is a real live person and that she should keep her thoughts to herself.

I remember vividly the day that someone told me that Santa wasn't real - I found out relatively late - and when I confronted my mother she admitted that it was true. I was totally devastated and I will never do that to my child. This may be something that I felt more because of the asperger's that runs through my veins, but I stopped believing everything that my parents had ever told me and it took them a long time to get me back in line just on basic things.

After all, at the end of the day, it is a lie. A nice one, and not malicious, but a lie none the less.

[Mum&bubs]

I agree with you on certain things. If one of my daughter's came home at the young age of 4 telling me that someone said 'mummy lied- santas not real' I would be fuming just seeing the hurt in their eyes. Fair enough people believe what they want to believe, it's just sad for the kids who get let down about Santa. Most kids find out the truth about Santa when they are much older so I feel for ur little boy & I hope you covered it well :D Santa is around in our house & will be until my girls learn the truth (which hopefully won't be for a while!)