Petition To Support The Introduction Of Daylight Savings IN SE QLD [Archive]

MrsMiggins

31-10-2006, 14:53

I have received an email today regarding an electronic petition to show support for the introduction of Daylight Savings into SE QLD.

Check out the link here: http://www.petitionsqld.com.au/campaigns/10/

Please note that you are required to accept the terms & conditions and that you can only participate if you live in one of the following council areas:

Beaudesert
Boonah
Brisbane
Caboolture
Caloundra
Esk
Gatton
Gold Coast
Ipswich
Kilcoy
Laidley
Logan
Maroochy
Noosa
Pine Rivers
Redcliffe
Redland
Toowoomba

PLEASE sign this petition & email it to any friends/family you know who live in these areas if you support the introduction of Daylight Savings!

Premier Beattie says they need 30,000 signatures of support to represent a significant view.

BRING ON THE DAYLIGHT!!! (I'm sick of DD waking up at 4am!! :p )

bec79

31-10-2006, 16:01

I'm with you...bring on daylight saving.

Lirael

31-10-2006, 16:02

nope, I dont want stupid daylight savings its too annoying:thumbsdown:

MrsMiggins

31-10-2006, 16:08

nope, I dont want stupid daylight savings its too annoying:thumbsdown:
I actually find NOT having it annoying! :D

I have many friends/family in the southern states & the time difference (yes, I'm aware it's only 1 hour) makes calling & otherwise catching up just that much more difficult.

We have pay tv and I get so completely sick & tired of having to get used to the change in scheduling every October, and then again in March.

I am sick of DD waking up at the crack of dawn (which means at around 4.30 at the moment, but will come even earlier as the days get longer).

I am sick of not being able to enjoy a bit of daylight with my family when DH gets home from work around 6.30-7 ish.

I have lived in different states/territories/countries some of which have daylight savings, and others which do not and I can tell you, DST is by far my preference!!

Foxy

31-10-2006, 16:09

:thumbsup: Thanks Mrs Miggins!!!! I have been wanting this for sooooo long, I'm off to sign now!!!

mum23girls

31-10-2006, 16:16

bring on DLS!!!!!

:smiliedance:

it is probably something that you either love or hate......can't please everybody!!

31-10-2006, 16:18

What are the reasons most ppl don't want daylight savings? I don't like change myself so I guess I am not too keen on it being introduced but that is my only reason - pathetic really isn't it, but I do see other's views as to why it would be a good thing.

So yeah just curious as to why other's don't want daylight savings?

MrsMiggins

31-10-2006, 16:24

We have had this debate at work a fair few times (lots of southern state expats now living & working in Bris!) and the argument always seems to come around to the fact that people just don't like change. It's also been talked about (at my work) that in general, QLD'ers are opposed to things that are anything to do with coming into line with NSW. (Now before anyone goes jumping on that one, it was actually a born & bred, died-in-the-wool, maroon-wearing QLDer who brought it up!!)

Someone did mention the old fading of the curtains argument! :laughing:

Mahjong

31-10-2006, 16:28

BUt, if I sign it and we get DLS, my curtains will fade :laughing:

It's a pain in the butt when all my family are in NSW, just over the boarder, but Im in two minds about it as Wyatt's sleeping patterns are **** already LOL! I dont need another change.

MrsMiggins

31-10-2006, 16:30

Get some nice matchstick blinds! :D

You won't need curtains when the sun isn't blaring into your bedroom at 4am! :D :D

31-10-2006, 16:31

Someone did mention the old fading of the curtains argument! :laughing:

What is that - I think I am very sheltered?

MrsMiggins

31-10-2006, 16:33

There is an old joke that having Daylight Savings means that there will be more daylight hours - hence your curtains will fade faster! lol :laughing:

Sarie

31-10-2006, 16:34

Bugger, I would love daylight savings but this Qlder lives in the wrong town apparently...

31-10-2006, 16:40

Bugger, I would love daylight savings but this Qlder lives in the wrong town apparently...

So if daylight savings was to be introduced Dalby wouldn't get it:confused:

motherlylove

31-10-2006, 16:41

Im Agree Bring It On

Sarie

31-10-2006, 16:43

We'd get it, I'm just not in the right area to have a say... silly should be open to all Qlder's!

SilverStarfish

31-10-2006, 16:44

You can also sign it to NOT support daylight savings - which is what I did. I don't want daylight savings in QLD :no:

cheezelkat

31-10-2006, 16:45

I'm signing for it. I hate not having DLS!

MrsMiggins

31-10-2006, 16:46

I'm not sure what the go is for that? Perhaps the introduction of DST would be limited to SE QLD, or perhaps this is just the limit of this particular petition. :confused:

I do know there was debate for bringing in DST exclusively for the Gold Coast to alleviate the problem they have around the Coolangatta/Tweed area. But I wonder - wouldn't that just make the problem move further north??

MrsMiggins

31-10-2006, 16:48

You can also sign it to NOT support daylight savings - which is what I did. I don't want daylight savings in QLD :no:
Oh bummer! I didn't want to highlight that! :devil6: ;)

But yes, you can.

Interesting to see there is far more support at this stage for than against.

I would also be interested to hear why it is that other QLDers are opposed to DST? I have had this debate so many times, yet I still cannot undertand the other side. Feel free to enlighten me!

31-10-2006, 17:01

SilverStarfish

31-10-2006, 17:05

:yelclap: My sentiments, exactly :yelclap:

Lirael

31-10-2006, 17:17

mum23girls

31-10-2006, 17:18

I was surprised when moving up here though that QLD of all places didn't have DLS......it is so damn hot still at 7pm, we could be out swimming while it is still light!!

We eat when we are hungry, we go to sleep when we are tired. There are ways to darken a room, just the same as there are ways to lighten a room. This wouldn't worry my kids because they go to sleep with the light on anyway!! We don't really go by the clock as such.

I am keen to get my kids outside for longer!!

SilverStarfish

31-10-2006, 17:21

We don't really go by the clock as such.
I am keen to get my kids outside for longer!!

So why not just send them outside earlier (as long as they are not school age of course) if you don't go by the clock? :confused:

And if they are school aged, isn't it nice to know that they will now be walking home during the hottest part of the day - when it is reccomended that they be indoors.

mixi_mama

31-10-2006, 17:41

Although im from nz originally and i just got back from holidays.... it really peeved me cause they had daylkight savings and DD wouldnt go to sleep until it was dark - making it almost 9pm ....
Throws her routine really....

juliek

31-10-2006, 17:59

Just signed it. :D

I'm all for it!
I still remember the trials they did when I was a teenager. It seemed like there was so much more time in the day. We were still swimming at the beach at 6:30pm. I guess the main reason I'm in favor is because I'm not a morning person, so I'd much rather have my sunshine at the end of the day than the begining.

MrsMiggins

31-10-2006, 18:22

what is the point of daylight savings???

to me, its the same as me setting my clock forward ten minutes so I wont be late, but looking at the clock and saying 'its ok my clock is ten mins fast so I can waste more time' its not something that just happens, everyone has to change the time manually on their clocks etc and your not saving any daylight you just think you are.

Its stupid to me:yes:
What's the point of it? You get to spend the majority of the "liveable" part of your day in daylight!! I don't know too many people who are happier being up at 4am than 7pm!

Sitting around with friends having a lovely BBQ and a few drinks at 7pm and enjoying the daylight just smacks of summer to me! Not being inside at 6.30 and having all the lights on in the house :( How depressing!!

Can I just ask whether you have ever lived in a place that had Daylight Savings (I mean lived there, not visited)? (And BTW, I don't mean that to sound argumentative, I'm honestly just curious! :))

Of all the people I know who've experienced living both with & without Daylight Savings, which is a considerable number of people, I do not know of one who is opposed to it. In fact, most, if not all, are absolutely 110% in favour of it.

I was actually really surprised to read mixi_mama's post - you're the first one I've ever encountered who likes it better without!

Jo9999

31-10-2006, 19:35

I like daylight saving myself when I am living in it - its nice sitting outside in the evening in the daylight. However I do find it a nuisance for day to day living. I also grew up with it and lived for the first year with dd there... what a pain in the butt twice year having to change either my daily routine, or spend a couple of weeks adjusting her sleeping time. Same with pets (tell your dog or cat hes getting fed an hour later in the morning, guarantee they'll scratch/meow/moan until they get fed. Ditto with farm animals.
And yes, in NZ there was no hope of getting the neighbourhood kids to bed at a reasonable hour. Why go to bed when you can play outside at 9.30pm... causes havoc for school in the morning.
However, the current situation with DLS in some states and not in others is ridiculous, I feel very sorry for those near Tweed Heads.
The long and the short being I am divided as to whether I want it or not so I'll let others make the decision and take it out of my hands...

Minke

31-10-2006, 19:54

I'm happy to keep it the way it is to be honest, i don't see any problem with it. We visited Melbourne once when they had daylight savings and we went out to dinner at about 9:30pm and it was still daylight, yet they were closing for night cause it was 9:30pm! I thought that was ridiculous, i hate daylight savings in QLD because in the evenings when it's already hot, it's still stinking hot and daylight at 7pm anyways, why push it even further back to 8pm. Also even when we lived in Sydney and we had daylight savings it's daylight at 7pm at night and there were kids running around the streets when they should have probably been in bed or at least having dinner. What kid wants to go to sleep when the sun is still up??

I'm hoping they don't change it, i don't want daylight savings at all it's stupid!

SO AGREE!!!

Now I realise as a NORTH Qld'er this doesn't apply to me, but how exactly would they work it? where's the cut off point? I know that Qld outside of the SE corner actually doesn't exist (or so it seems - if you don't believe move up here) won't it just make it worse???

What's the point of it? You get to spend the majority of the "liveable" part of your day in daylight!! I don't know too many people who are happier being up at 4am than 7pm! !

There is no livable part of the day in summer - only when it gets dark and the temp drops to 30 (but not the humidity...)

Sitting around with friends having a lovely BBQ and a few drinks at 7pm and enjoying the daylight just smacks of summer to me! Not being inside at 6.30 and having all the lights on in the house :( How depressing!!!

We'll all still be sitting inside in the aircon (see above point)

Can I just ask whether you have ever lived in a place that had Daylight Savings (I mean lived there, not visited)? (And BTW, I don't mean that to sound argumentative, I'm honestly just curious! :))

Only in Qld when they bought it in around 1990?

Of all the people I know who've experienced living both with & without Daylight Savings, which is a considerable number of people, I do not know of one who is opposed to it. In fact, most, if not all, are absolutely 110% in favour of it. !

A good friend of mine moved to NSW about 18mths ago and hates it...

I have an idea - let's make North Qld a different state altogther... from about Rockhampton up sounds good ;) (We'll keep all the money from the mines, and fix our roads...)

MrsMiggins

31-10-2006, 20:00

lol I think many people up there already think it's a different state!! ;)

I work in admin & I am constantly having to update people's addresses & the like and we never get any letters from (for instance) Cairns QLD - it's always Cairns FNQ!! Apparently they've started their own state & not told anyone else!! :laughing:

Minke

31-10-2006, 20:03

:laughing: Just wishful thinking I guess... It's not that we don't like you or anything... ;)

31-10-2006, 20:05

Good points Kelli, and what is it with only us SE QLD'ers being able to vote, that's ridiculous, are we going to have two different time zones in one state?? I hope not!! It's ludicris!! And as Kelli mentioned, what about the people up north who already have an extremely warm and humid summer, i don't think they'd still like to be sweating at 8pm at night, as Kelli said, the only relief from the heat you get is when it's dark! Also the people out in the west, the farmers etc, don't think they are too keen on it either.

WA and the NT don't have DLS either, it's really only the southern states, why don't they just be normal and cancel daylight savings altogether, why do we have to be the one's to change our times to suit them, it's stupid. I think they should do a trial WITHOUT DLS and see how much better it is for them!

31-10-2006, 20:12

Holy cow, i just checked that petition website and 7536 people are in agrreance with DLS and only 321 against!!

All those against, go and vote!

Lirael

31-10-2006, 20:12

MrsMiggins, yes I used to live in sydney and I definately prefer it without daylight savings.

Minke

31-10-2006, 20:31

are we going to have two different time zones in one state?? I hope not!! It's ludicris!!

That's what they are putting forward - 60% of SE Qld wants it, 60% of regional Qld doesn't (although the poll they did up here 80% were against) so to make every one happy...

Zonal Qld??? Strange... :confused:

juliek

01-11-2006, 08:34

Sitting around with friends having a lovely BBQ and a few drinks at 7pm and enjoying the daylight just smacks of summer to me! Not being inside at 6.30 and having all the lights on in the house :( How depressing!!

:yelclap: :yes: Totally agree.

~rambox~

01-11-2006, 08:38

MrsMiggins, yes I used to live in sydney and I definately prefer it without daylight savings.

Yeah I originally come from Sydney and I agree.

We don want daylight saving in North Qld. It is so hard on the kids when you are telling them to go to bed and the sun is still up :no:

And Kelly is also right our Poll said 80% didnt want it here so just goes to show that politicians change stats to suit themselves.

Leanda

01-11-2006, 08:40

Well, what a heated little debate we have here!

Here's my $0.02 cents worth.

I've lived in Qld for the past 2.5yrs after moving from DST loving New Zealand. But on the question of introducing it here, I can't make up my mind.

In NZ, it was brilliant - if you got home from work about 6pm, you still had hours of daylight left to have fish n chips on the beach or a bbq with friends. But NZ generally doesnt have the heat that QLD does. Yes, in Christchurch it does get into the 30s in summer but not with the same Qld regularity or humidity, and they also have a greater temperature range .. the post-dark evenings were cooler than here. I'm not a morning person and DST really meant fun summer daylight evenings. But I do remember hating to go to bed as a kid at 7:30ish when it was still broad daylight outside.

On the other hand, I hear a lot of the arguments against DST and think 'we never had those problems living with DST my whole life'. It's only an hour difference and if you are one to stick to the same clock times, it's surprising how quickly you adjust. The official DST time change happens at like 2am, so we used to go 'yay an extra hour of sleep' or 'no, we lose an hour of sleep tonight' depending on the change. And I know that people think it will upset their kids routines, but kids are pretty adaptable .. a one hour change twice a year wasn't really such a big deal for us.

Then to confuse me even more, I'm now a proud mum of a one year old, so all my theories might go out the window *lol*

It was hard to get used to the dark 'so early' here in Qld in the summer (compared to what I'm used to) but people still bbq and dine outside etc with lighting .. the challenge is keeping the moths & mozzies away. Or, as said, you're inside in the aircon. I can see why people think that Qld doesn't need to move the clock to allow the daylight to shift an hour further over in our waking hours if 'the heat' in terms of the school day etc is used as the reason. But I guess they are going to get that hot part of the day at school anyway with only an hour shift.

Right, have I confused you all entirely? Basically it never hurt us .. we used to love it in the summer, but I'm not sure if it's the right thing for the Qld climate.

How do other semi-tropical countries get on? DST in the Pacific Islands / Asia etc who have similar climate conditions?

draught

01-11-2006, 08:43

I am curious to know how many people who are saying they don't want it because it is hard to put kids to bed when it is light have toddlers who wake when the sun comes up - in summer our day begins at 4am, every day, for weeks. I would much prefer a battle at the end of the day than starting my day that early. Bring on daylight savings I say!!

01-11-2006, 08:44

How do other semi-tropical countries get on? DST in the Pacific Islands / Asia etc who have similar climate conditions?

They are a different timezone to us, I know the sth pacific islands are already an hour ahead of us anyway;)

neeky

05-11-2006, 16:31

I am well and truely against it!!
as my dp said, (who is a born and bred townsvillian, only lived outside of townsville for 1yr of his 28yrs of life) that it was ridiculous riding home at that time of day when they trialed it!!! personally i dont want any kids having to put up with that cr*p! and they shouldnt have to.

i completely agree with Kelli79. everything she said was exactly correct.

and MRS MIGGINS its not the Nth QLDers that believe they are a different state its the southeast qlders that feel they are so much better than the nth qlders, but personally having had lived in both, nth qlders win hands down. we got nothing on nth qld!!

and all those that use the "we have to get up at 4am" line, but are quiet happy to say "get darker curtains so the kids dont know its light outside when its daylight savings" why dont they take their own advice. my son wakes up at 4am if i leave his blinds open, but if they are closed he will happily sleep or play in his room til anywhere up to 8am! or just go to bed earlier if your child wakes up that early??

having a split state is ridiculous, i could use the same line as some of those in favor of it, we have friends and family in NTH QLD, calling them would be too much hassel if we get daylight savings.

i simply dont see the point, everyone i know can enjoy their "livable" hours of the day quiet happily as it is. and i dont see why people automatically feel that once the sun goes down you gotta go inside.

and what peter beattie said makes sense. just because there is no "link" doesnt mean anything. Daylight savings for qld quite probably could increase the risk of skincancer!

SilverStarfish

05-11-2006, 17:01

:yelclap: Well Said! :yelclap:

westerner

05-11-2006, 17:07

and all those that use the "we have to get up at 4am" line, but are quiet happy to say "get darker curtains so the kids dont know its light outside when its daylight savings" why dont they take their own advice. my son wakes up at 4am if i leave his blinds open, but if they are closed he will happily sleep or play in his room til anywhere up to 8am! or just go to bed earlier if your child wakes up that early??

Thats what ive been scratching my head trying to figure out...

If it gets sunny in the morning... USE CURTAINS... and what if changing time doesnt work.. then what??? maybe you've got an early riser and need to just live with it.. whats to say that changing the clock to suit yourselves and to try to get a sleep in will work...

Leave things alone and dont mess with nature i say...

Im in WA and i really hope we dont end up with it here cos i think its crazy..

Ana Gram

05-11-2006, 17:40

I thought you might like to hear from someone who actually lives in day light savings. Being from Melbourne, I love that it is still dark at 5am and still light at 7. I don't actually need to turn lights on until around 8pm, which means I save electricity which is both good for my bank balance and energy conservation.
In Summer, the vast majority tend to be more social and having daylight hours at more social times is fantastic.

Little Gorilla

05-11-2006, 18:13

One thing that I like about daylight savings is that DP usually gets home at say 630pm...we live walking distance from the beach - if we had daylight savings here...it would give him more time in the afternoon to do outdoorsie things with DS - it would be great.

I also know alot of people on the NSW/QLD border find it very hard working say in QLD and living in NSW or the other way around.

Minke

05-11-2006, 18:13

This is taken from the poll...

Arguments against the adoption of daylight savings based on beginning the day in darkness and temperature at the end of the day are irrelevant and irresponsible in South-East Queensland where the sun rises early, and heat at the end of the day is manageable.

Conversely, the arguments for adoption of Daylight Savings (including business consistency for organisations that have offices in southern states, or deal with businesses that are based in southern states) are realistic and compelling. It is nonsensical to suggest that the concerns over Daylight Savings expressed by primary producers and some secondary industries in northern Queensland should have priority over the interests of retail and services sector businesses based in the South-East Queensland corner. These latter retail and service businesses represent the majority of businesses operating in Queensland, and are experiencing the highest growth. Furthermore, these retail and service sector businesses deal more with real-time conversations, transactions and interactions than the primary and secondary businesses referred to above..

And we think we're a seperate state? Possibly because our concerns are "nonsensical"

I find it funny that SE Qld has issues with being on a different time zone to NSW and Vic, but would have no issue being on a different time to the rest of their state? :rolleyes:

How do WA and SA do any business at all, always being behind the eastern states???

As to the energy conservation - i'd be getting up an hour earlier, so would use it my aircon for longer... ;) (instead of turning it off at 7pm, it'd be on till 8) and yeah i do put it on basically as soon as i get out of bed.

draught

05-11-2006, 18:21

If it gets sunny in the morning... USE CURTAINS... and what if changing time doesnt work.. then what??? maybe you've got an early riser and need to just live with it.. whats to say that changing the clock to suit yourselves and to try to get a sleep in will work...

Despite these various suggestions the majority of people I know whose children wake at 4am have tried black out curtains etc - and in winter our kids all sleep until sunrise which is closer to 6am, so it is definitely the birds singing at sunrise etc that wakes them, not the light coming into the room. As for us trying to get a sleep in?? I don't think that wanting to get up at 5am instead of 4am is really the height of self-indulgence do you?

Angelmist♥

05-11-2006, 18:24

There is no livable part of the day in summer - only when it gets dark and the temp drops to 30 (but not the humidity...)

I have an idea - let's make North Qld a different state altogther... from about Rockhampton up sounds good ;) (We'll keep all the money from the mines, and fix our roads...)

How about we make it from Gladstone up;)

and what peter beattie said makes sense. just because there is no "link" doesnt mean anything. Daylight savings for qld quite probably could increase the risk of skincancer!

It does make sense!DH and I were talking about it last night.When my kids get home from school they have a snack,DS1 does homework and then they are out playing until dark (which ATM is around 6:30) I do not want my kids out playing in the hottest part of the day.Yes I know it's only an hour's difference but the sun's heat really does differ quite alot.

I hated DST when we had it and would now.

Billy

05-11-2006, 18:33

Well I don't know how I feel about having DLS really... But it would seem that as a Nth QLD'er I have no say anyway...

How very Democratic. :rolleyes: :thumbsdown:

Reading this whole thread has really p!ssed me off that they are considering breaking QLD into different timezones, as if we don't miss out on enough of the things being up here as it is. We might as well be in a different country!! :thumbsdown:

westerner

05-11-2006, 18:44

I don't think that wanting to get up at 5am instead of 4am is really the height of self-indulgence do you?

I dont believe i said it was or that i thought it was the "height of self-indulgence" did i.....:rolleyes: nope sorry... never said or thought that at all....

Minke

05-11-2006, 22:12

How about we make it from Gladstone up;)
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You're all very welcome to join... :D :laughing:

TeamAwesome

10-11-2006, 13:35

Hi I'm just wondering and I dont know if anyone else thought of this but what about the rest of QLD? will DLS savings just be for the south east? which is really silly if you ask me... If you are travelling from any where else in QLD and you arrive there its different...
Does anyone know if there is a lot of money being spent on this there are two areas I think that would benefit immediatly from it... Education to implement prep in every school (currently its not going to be) and Health to work on the hospitals issue... yeah its a pain not having it but if you ask me the progrmming people when it comes to Pay Tv and Stuff there are a lot of subscribers so they shoul dbe smart and do another lot of tv guides,

If it jus because of small things trust me your kids routines will be shot (what little routines some kids are in) if the sun comes in your windows early why not just get the really thick curtins... We went from the sunshine coast to Mandurah (an hour south of Perth) and are now in QLD we didnt think that the time difference would take too long to adjust but it does take awhile by the time all our kids are adjusted to a new time schedule it'll be time for the normal times again. I'd vote no (we'll be moving back to SE when my hubby's job is finished in a couple of years!)

NAtalie