Need advice for 10week Olds naps

[moosemousse]

Hello, I'd appreciate some input from moms on my baby boys nap time, he sleeps fine at night but has trouble napping in the day for every single nap. He wakes every 5-10 mins crying. I thought he and I were both going mad. At first I tried to soothe and pay him but it didn't work so I actually called in a sleep consultant to see what she had to say. She said that he's waking because he's got wind and I need to burp him more. So I am doing that and also giving him some brauers colic relief but it's not helping much, he still keeps waking. Literally every five to ten minutes, and everytime I pick him up and burp him, he does have gas coming up most of the time. And I am exhausted trying to get the wind out of him. Are there any suggestions? What I can do? I already burp him the best I can during and after feeds. I give him the brauers when he wakes screaming. Should I give him
The brauers before the feed?

Otherthings I would like to know is, some people have suggested gripe water. What's the difference between that and a colic relief like brauers?

Also, does anyone know why this wind issue only seems to affect him during the day time? He does really well at night.

Other things I am currently doing are chiro for the baby but I don't think there's been any improvement. He's only been for two sessions so perhaps it will take more time?

Id appreciate any ideas. I can see the poor thing is exhausted and frustrated because he wants to sleep but can't.

[preggasaurus]

Subscribing, dd is 12 weeks, and exactly the same!

I've also learnt not to feed her to sleep, if she feeds to sleep, she doesn't burp and it's SO much worse.

My dd also farts all the time. Passing wind is also painful for her, passing wind in her sleep wakes her.

I give infacol, but will try another product if anyone says it's better.

[Plod1608]

I used to use both infocol and infants friend together between breasts (or put in bottle)

[moosemousse]

Hey Preggasaurus, I'm sorry to hear that you're in the same boat as I am! How are you coping? At the moment my mother in law is here helping out and living with us but she's leaving in two weeks and as much as I'd like to have the house back to myself, I'm worried I won't be able to manage on my own with the baby and housework. What sorts of things are you doing to manage?

[duckduckgoose]

Sounds like silent reflux to me. DS was the same, he slept ok at night for a while because he was just so exhausted from not sleeping during the day. See your GP or paed.

[Cat21]

Hi mums,
I know you mentioned burping during feeds but have you tried a burp about 5 mins in? My DS was such a guts he'd guzzle as soon as he latched on and would get terrible wind. I also learnt to lift him slowly up as he'd get a sore tummy if I pulled him up quickly to burp.

[moosemousse]

I went to the pharmacy (again!!!) today and was recommended Brauers Stomach Calm to try. At this point I'll give anything a go!

DO you think it might make a difference if I hold him for like 10-15 mins after he's fallen asleep before putting him in the cot?? At the moment I don't have any trouble getting him to sleep cos he's so yawny but doesn't stay asleep. Does it make any difference at all?

[Tellybell]

Have any of you ladies heard of wonder weeks? It basically suggests there are certain weeks in babies progress that they become unsettled, extra clingy etc. my youngest is 12 weeks (9.5w adjusted) and she has started being the same during day naps but still only wakes once a night and she is in the middle of a growth spurt and a wonder week. My first daughter was exactly the same, my mothers group would all start posting about the same things and we would look it up and it was a wonder week, lol.
Basically a wonder week is a time when they are experiencing a huge development and there little brains and bodies are adjusting. You can find out more by downloading the wonder weeks app or I think there is a book.

[Starfish30]

Subscribing - same here with my 9 week old DS

[moosemousse]

I have the wonder weeks app oon my phone but I'm confused about the weeks. My baby is now ten weeks and he was born full term 38 weeks instead of 40 weeks so iI'm not sure if I'm still supposed to sstill enter his estimated due date rather than his actual birthdate? Anyway he started going mad with his naps from about seven weeks and it's now ten weeks and he's still the same

[MinnieMouse81]

Sorry to butt in...I entered due date into the wonder week app. DD is 13 weeks but was born at 38 weeks so we are in the 12 week wonder week now. She has been unsettled during the day and has been waking up twice a night when during the previous couple weeks it was only once or not at all.

[Starfish30]

I have the wonder weeks app oon my phone but I'm confused about the weeks. My baby is now ten weeks and he was born full term 38 weeks instead of 40 weeks so iI'm not sure if I'm still supposed to sstill enter his estimated due date rather than his actual birthdate? Anyway he started going mad with his naps from about seven weeks and it's now ten weeks and he's still the same


I think you're supposed to add the due date not the birth date. I haven't read the book but had a look at their website after reading this thread.

[moosemousse]

pThanks duckduckgoose. Im looking into reflux symptoms and a lot Of it matches up. Poor bugger..

[Nettle]

I second the reflux suggestion. My DS was the same. Stacks of wind. Impossible to burp. Waking to burp and screaming or little spit ups. Infants Friend worked the best of all available but nothing beats reflux meds.

FWIW, DS was much, much better overnight compared with during the day. We could cot him during the night but he was sleeping upright during the day.

[bubblybell]

My son was the same from about 6 weeks of age. Often he would wake up crying and was generally unsettled and cranky during day sleep time. Although at nighttime like your son he would sleep well. He was a very gassy/windy baby and it seemed I couldn't burp him enough!! I tried propping up his bassinet/cot, feeding upright, burping every 5 minutes, infacol, colic relief, stomach calm and gripe water! All which seemed to help only slightly. In the end I changed formulas (ended up on karicare de lact and now add a scoop of thickener to it) as well as go to the doctor who prescribed zantac as silent reflux was suspected. Boy did I see a change in his sleeps and mood within two days. He had symptoms of silent reflux and he was gaining weight a lot it seemed he was feeding more than he needed to sooth the burning. Since then I now have a very happy 5 month old baby! He still doesnt nap great- he catnaps but sleeps through the night and isnt cranky like he once was! If u suspect he has reflux then I suggest going to ur gp and talk about getting the meds. It made a world of difference to my son. Good luck! There is light at the end if the tunnel!

[moosemousse]

Nettle, how did you sleep your baby upright during the day time?

At the moment I'm testing out sleeping him in the pram during the day but seems like he won't stay asleep unless I'm there to push it over a coat hanger every couple of minutes.

Has anyone bought one Of thOse wedge pillows for reflux babies and if so, did they work and are they worth it?

Im glad you found a formula that worked better for your bub, bubbly bell! But mine is a breastfed babeh!

[Rose&Aurelia]

Babies can sleep upright-ish in a car capsule, pram, bassinet on incline, in a carrier on you, or lying on your tummy whilst you sit on the couch and watch tv.

Your bubba will have to get used to the pram - take him for s quick walk ie 5-10min till asleep then park it near you in the house. You can jiggle it from time to time. When you get to 35min of bub being asleep - go for a walk again to help bub change from oone sleep cycle to the other. After a week or so you will notice bub change cycles easier and you will not need to move the pram as much.

[Nettle]

Unfortunately, bolt upright was the only option for us. That meant he either had to be bundled in the sleepy wrap sling while I made some attempt at getting on with life or he lay upright against my chest while I got really familiar with day time television.

Re the breast feeding thing - I was a bit like you in that I never really thought that there was another option. In the end his reflux was born of being intolerant to dairy and soy and everything barring two vegetables, rice and one fruit (pear). While the reflux meds helped he was still in pain for much longer than he needed to be because I was determined to persist. Just keep an open mind.

Your kid may have straight reflux which means it will be over by about six months but it may be food related. Try cutting out dairy completely for two weeks - its the biggest culprit of underlying acid reflux issues in bubs.

[Lou89]

Oh I feel your pain, I'm going through the same. My bub is 6 weeks, I originally thought it was colic and Shes on colic formula I use gripe water religiously and she continually brings up burps but then the doc believes its reflux. She will scream and scream, fuss at feeds, hasn't gained much weight but still within average but it's like drinking the milk hurts her. I was giving meds on Friday, can't remember what they're called but no improvement yet. I think the next is changing formula...o actually called losec. The sleeping is out of control, why do they only sleep for 5 mins. Aghh!!!

[moosemousse]

My paediatrician didn't think it was reflux because the baby is such a chubster, born 3kg and at ten weeks is 6.6kg. But from what I've read, it can hhappen that they stack on the weight by drinking ttoo much to try to soothe the burn. Poor bubba. Anyway I am pretty convinced from all the discussion here that it must be reflux, combined with trapped wind, that's bothering him, despite what the paediatrician said!

Nettle, I'm going to have a look at those sleepy wrap slings you mentioned. Sounds like it is an option for me. AlOng with daytime tv viewings... Sigh

[Lou89]

Bubbly bell - the karicare delact I had a look today and it says it's for lactose intolerant. Did u use this for your baby because of reflux or because of the intolerance?? I'm still trying to find a correct formula. It's so hard!

[bubblybell]

Lou89 - I was using karicare ha gold (after he developed severe constipation on nan ha gold) and that worked well. Then he had diarrhoea for a few days and my gp advised just using a lactose free formula for a week to see how he went. Thats when I noticed a big change in the gas levels. He wasn't anywhere near as windy and his poop went back to looking "normal". So the gp and health nurse said I should just stick with it as it wouldn't harm him to be on it long term as it has all the nutrients etc in it that he needs (otherwise they wouldn't sell it over the counter apparently!?!) anyways he has been great on it. I use the thickener I only put a scoop in per bottle (250ml) and that helps with spit ups which are very small and far between. He used to guzzle down milk every 2-3 hours when he was 6-10 weeks but since starting this formula and the zantac he went down to drinking the recommended amount which now at 5 months old he drinks 4 x 250ml a day and his weigh gain is steadier (before meds he jumped from 50th percentile to 95th in two weeks which dr said was due to soothing the reflux). We have never been tested for lactose intolerance though. I suffer from minor lactose intolerance since a baby though. Unfortunately with formula it seems to be a case of trial and error. What works for one might not for another.

[Nettle]

Moosemousse, that was exactly the reason we had problems getting DS diagnosed. He was a big boy because he would eat and eat and eat. Many doctors only understand reflux as being projectile vomiting where the baby fails to thrive because they can't keep anything down. It's very frustrating!! Don't give up. Get a second or third or fourth opinion if you have to! That's what we did in the end.

Sleepy wrap you can buy off eBay for about $50ish but if you have the cash, try a hugabub as they are lighter weight, cooler and firmer so supports bub's weight better.

Lou89, you will need to give the meds up to two weeks to work unfortunately. Are you using the tablets or the compounded version from the chemist? The compounded version can be HIGHLY unreliable. We had all sorts of problems with it. Paed gastro dude put us on Nexium granules and we have never looked back. Taste a load better than Losec too. Also, have a go at a formula that is both dairy and soy free. Not sure what you can get OTC that way buy ask the pharmacist. Otherwise have a chat with your GP.

[moosemousse]

I guess it's just quite shocking/Disappointing that a paediatrician would have such a limited understanding Of the symptoms of reflux. I will need to get another medical opiniOn that's for sure.

My Paediatrician was so dismissive when I asked it were reflux because of how chubby the baby is. So I just turned off my maternal instinct that something was not right and listened to him as I thought its his field and he's the medical professional!

Good luck to those still looking for the right formula to feed their bubs! Must be incredibly frustrating and also expensive!

[Starfish30]

Moosemouse, my Paediatrician also dismissed reflux in my DS saying that you can't get a reflux diagnosis prior to 6 months old. Something to do with maturing of digestive system?

However my baby isn't fussy at meal times and doesn't seem bothered about his "reflux". He is a colicky baby, lots of wind and crying for a few weeks with gradual improvement since he turned 8-9 weeks. Since DS is getting better on his own, I think that our doctor was probably right about him.

If you are unsure about that Paediatrician's opinion, it is worth it getting a second opinion if possible. Let us know how you go!

[moosemousse]

The past couple of days I've been experimenting by raising him on an angle and he does seem to be sleeping better. I'm only propping him
Up on a pillow and I'm aware this is not SIDS safe but I've got nnothing else to do so I just sit in the room and watch his Day time nap with one eye and watch tv with the other eye. The cot is already raised with yellow pages on one end but maybe it's not enough. So I might just get hhim a reflux wedge pillow and see how he goes. Like any momma bear I'd rather not have him on meds unless I really have to. He's also going for chiro so I'm hoping this combination of efforts will be enough until he grows out Of it.

[captainscaptain]

Hi OP. I haven't read through replies so sorry if I'm repeating! I don't have an answer for your problem but I'm curious as to how you put bub to sleep during the day? It may link into why bubs waking.

[moosemousse]

Well I put him to sleep the same way as at night only difference is in the day I keep the curtains open... I'm not sure whether or not they should have their naps in a dark room or whether to keep it not bright exactly but there is some natural day light coming through. A bit confused because I'd like him to know the diff between night and day but not sure whether I'm doing the right thing by having the curtains open a bit? Any thoughts on this?

[captainscaptain]

Well I put him to sleep the same way as at night only difference is in the day I keep the curtains open... I'm not sure whether or not they should have their naps in a dark room or whether to keep it not bright exactly but there is some natural day light coming through. A bit confused because I'd like him to know the diff between night and day but not sure whether I'm doing the right thing by having the curtains open a bit? Any thoughts on this?

DS was always aided to sleep so I understood why he woke so often but if yours is self settling then it may well be reflux or something of the kind.

The dark/light room is a toughy...for ages I left the room light for the same reason you are but at some point I started closing the curtains. He sleeps in the lounge now for his day sleep so it's aways light in their anyway. I woke him from a 3.5 hour nap the other day so don't think it's affecting him ;)

[Starfish30]

Well I put him to sleep the same way as at night only difference is in the day I keep the curtains open... I'm not sure whether or not they should have their naps in a dark room or whether to keep it not bright exactly but there is some natural day light coming through. A bit confused because I'd like him to know the diff between night and day but not sure whether I'm doing the right thing by having the curtains open a bit? Any thoughts on this?

My DS is the same. He sleep 2-3 hours stretches at night, but no longer than 40-50min during the day. And sometimes he wakes up within 5-10.min of being put in the cot.

I don't know the reason for that, I was just hoping that he was going to improve as he got older. I also think that it can't be anything physical because he's ok at night. Maybe it's more stimulating for him during the day? Or maybe he will just be a baby who doesn't have long naps?

To be honest with you, I'm just glad that we no longer go through the witching hour and that he sleeps a bit better at night :)

I'be been doing eat - play - sleep - play - sleep - eat during the day and eat - sleep - eat at night time.

Please let me know if you find a solution to day time naps!!

[momtobe21]

Hi OP

Not sure if this would help but I have been told to watch what you eat as some foods tend to cause gas / wind more than others. This is a list I was given

Foods to avoid for the first weeks:




Fruits

Vegetables

Miscellaneous



Mangoes
Berries
Melons
Grapes
Oranges
Lemons
Stone fruits
Pineapple
Strawberries

Broccoli
Cabbage
Brussel sprouts
Peas
Cucumber
Capsicum
Lettuce
Tomato
Radishes
Cauliflower
Lentils
Raw onion

Strong herbs and spices. (Cayenne, chili, oregano, thyme, marjoram, sage, rosemary)
Brewers yeast
Tea
Coffee
Chocolate
Alcohol




Foods to be eaten freely during the first weeks:


Fruits

Vegetables

Whole Grains

Dairy Products

Miscellaneous



Apples
Custard Apples
Paw-paw
Pears
Bananas
Avocado

Asparagus
Beetroot
Carrots
Celery
Eggplant
Pumpkin
Potato
Zucchini
Corn
Mushrooms
Turnips
Parsnips
Onions (well cooked)

Rice
Rye
Rolled Oats
Barley
Millet

Cottage cheese
Ricotta cheese
Milk
Yoghurt

Sprouts
Buckwheat
Tofu
Honey
Cold pressed oils
Parsley
Miso
Tamari
Dandelion coffee
Chamomile tea
Fennel tea
Cardarmon tea
B Complex

[captainscaptain]

I might ad that they are different at night time because of the chemical changes that happen in human bodies that make us diurnal.

And during the day it's the light sleep stage that occurs at the beginning of a nap that causes the constant waking...with bubs that don't self settle anyway.

I hope it's not anything medical! :fingerscrossed:

[moosemousse]

Thank you all for your various pieces of advice and opinions. I have made an appointment with another GP tomorrow morning to get a second opinion. I've spent hours and hours settling and resettling tthis little man and I'm exhausted. He keeps waking due to the gas in his tummy and I can often hear it gurgling in his stomach.

Id like to ask a question about losec? It seems there are different versions around? Like a tablet or a something else?? Cos I've been having a look other places and people are talking about granules and suspension but I have no idea what all this means. I met another mom today whose little one is on Zantac. Does anyone know what the difference is?

[Lou89]

I think both are the same, both for reflux. My 6.5 wk old is on losec ATM, there's been a slight difference during the day (so improved the reflux) but still have the uncontrollable crying in the arvo/night due to colic. She takes half a tablet a day which I crush and give with water. So a definite improvement for reflux... Now to work on the colic :s

[moosemousse]

So I went to the gp today and she recommended a milk thickener for now and I have to try it for two weeks and see how he goes on it, if it's still not good enough then she wil put hhim on Zantac. Anyway fingers crossed that this will be good enough


Lou what colic relief are you using?

[Lou89]

Gripe water works the best... Doesn't get rid of the screaming fully definitely helps get some wind up. I've tried infants friends, infacol. I read somewhere someone recommending colic calm which is an American product apparently. I'm going to order that today and give it a go. I'm not sure what else there is to try.

[moosemousse]

There's a hyland's colic tablet that dissolves on the tongue that's supposed to be good. Not sure if it's available in Australia though but might be worth looking up?


I had such a lousy night last night. Bub had the last feed of the day around 9.30 and couldn't sleep after that, kept waking every 15-20 minutes cos of wind. I finally took him to bed with me and we slept till 2.30 then had a feed and he went to his cot no problems. Next feed he woke at 6.10am afterwards slept for 10 mins then woke due to gas and then it was like someone flicked a switch on and he went ballistic with his bawling and screaming.

[Nettle]

MM, thickener is not going to fix acid. It will help to stop it from coming up but it won't neutralise it and deal with the gas. You're unlikely to see improvement on that alone. Too much acid will go down as well as up. Have you considered cutting dairy from your diet? If you want to avoid medication, having a play with your diet is the best bet. You'll need to eliminate entirely for two weeks.

Re: Zantac. It's the very basic first level of acid reflux medication. Zantac usually goes to Losec and if that doesnt work, something like Nexium which is stronger again. The difference between a tablet and suspension is not huge. A suspension is just the tablet crush and made into a liquid. Compounding chemists do it. The problem with the suspension version is that is can be unstable and the amount being given can vary as a result.

[moosemousse]

Thanks nettle. Yeah I did ask about putting him On Zantac but the GP said to try the thickener for two weeks first and see how it goes. I guesss she's being conservative in case it really is all that's needed.so I need to sstick it out for a while and hope it gets better or enough to prove her wrong, in which case my baby will have to suffer another two weeks at her expense??!

[moosemousse]

About cutting dairy out, I already consume very little dairy as it is, coming from an Asian background so I'm not into breakfast cereal or cheese but I do eat cakes that contain milk and butter. Do those little bits of dairy count as well?

[Bizzybee]

Is he actually getting acid reflux or is it just a bit of spit up?

We have a gassy little one here and after projectile vomiting she has to have .2ml of infacol before every feed. I wouldn't leave the curtains open (sleep is sleep, a darkened room always helps is sleep a little better).

But yeh. My dd has had reflux issues since day dot. I'm hesitant to medicate her on something like Zantac as little spot ups are quite normal (immature stomach valves)

At the moment the .2ml of infacol and posture / up hill feeding, then not laying bubby down for at least 20 min. While reflux isn't bothering her I don't want to put more chemicals in her body than I have to.
On days she is really bad I use 1ml of Milanta to ease any acid burn.

My LO has become more alert now and needs a little extra comforting when settling. On days it's just not happening I get my hug-a-bub wrap out and pop her in there so I know she will get at least one great big decent block, or I'll lay down with her so I'm close at hand to resettle before she wakes too much.

My LO just turned 13 w

[VikkiB]

My DS had a lot of painful gas/wind when he was younger, and was throwing up a lot. He started out on the small side and chubbed up quickly. The ECH nurse suggested sitting him upright to feed him, rather than across my lap. She also suggested putting a blanket under his mattress to help elevate him.

Both of these things seemed to reduce the vomiting. I still feed DS with him straddling my thigh, and would recommend trying that. He does seem to have improved with age as well.

As to the day time sleeping, DS would happily sleep in his pram during the day when he was really little, then he went through a stage where he was too overstimulated to sleep there. Sometimes I put him to bed upstairs in his cot, and I close the blinds and curtains to make it as dark a possible. By 10 weeks old, your bub should know the difference between night and day.

Hope this helps!

[moosemousse]

The fella rarely spits up or vomits. I think he's only done a real chuck twice. Mostly it's a very faint dribble so it's not your classic reflux. But he chokes and splutters and gags and coughs and I keep hearing a gurgle sound in the abdomen. Can't be a good thing.

Bizzybee-- do you just use a normal
mylanta ffrom the chemist for the acid burn or is there a special

[moosemousse]

Sorry! iPhone has a mind of its own. I meant to ask if there's a special mylanta for bubs?

Has anyone ever slept their babies on the side to help with reflux? I know it's not the recommended sleep position so don't shoot me down! Just asking to see what's out there.

[Bizzybee]

Yes mylanta is just the regular one at a 1ml dosage. I hardly use it unless I smell the burn though.

I've been finding the infacol has been helping her tummy the last few days, she spits up after a feed but I'm not hearing the wind in we belly as much.

I often sleep bub on her side, but we co sleep and there is no risk of her rolling face down, maybe you could try a towel just under bubs shoulder for a slight angle? I'm not sure.


The gurgling sounds in the belly definitely sound like wind. Poor little thing.

[Bizzybee]

http://www.tresillian.net/tresillian-tips/settling-techniques-newborn-12-months.html



Maybe have a little read through this and see if there are any ideas there. I know I can't lay my dd down flat etc and if she's waking up crying after 10-15 often if I pick her up she gives me a big burp, and will often then resettle back to sleep.

Don't forget they form sleep associations too, so often if cuddled to sleep they may need cuddling to resettle, dummy, gentle patting etc. and by meeting his needs quickly you may be able to resettle with less fuss than if he gets worked up.

Ugh I hate wind.

[moosemousse]

Yes I definitely know what you mean by meeting his needs quickly instead of letting him get worked up. He resettled very quickly if I ggo in quickly, pick him up, burp him and mostly he relaxes and goes back to sleep right away.

I will get that mylanta next time I go past the chemist. Thanks for that idea.

[bubblybell]

Definitely sounds like acid reflux. Same symptoms that my son had. Arching the back often, waking up frequently, gurgling sounds, gassy, gagging, excessive swallowing (when not feeding!) irritable, not really vomiting though..etc... My dr recommended trying gaviscon for a few weeks before going on zantac. You can get infant gaviscon from the chemist over the counter. Comes in sachets that you dissolve. I found it was causing constipation though and not for long time use hence why the doctor put him on zantac. So that's also another option although the mylanta would be easier to administer and if you notice a difference then you can get something for longer term use from the doctor. Good luck :)

[Nettle]

Hi MM,

With regard to the dairy thing, cut out anything that has dairy even of it is baked. Also look at soy. The proteins are similar so bubs tend to react similarly.

We tried settling on his side but couldn't actually get him on his side as he would arch and scream. :-/ He actually preferred sleeping on his tummy when able...

[moosemousse]

One of the mothers at my mothers group said her little one could only seem to sleep on his tummy too.

When I settle bub on his side, I'm keeping him swaddle still. Is this right?

[Bizzybee]

Swaddling is up to you but make sure you use something to stop him rolling to his tum especially if swaddled.

[moosemousse]

Thanks for all your advice, tips and suggestions, ladies. My baby had a couple of good naps today, only woke a couple of times at the start and then went for an hour. So I feel like we are getting there slowly but surely.

Thank you to everyone for all your contributions. I appreciate your help.