Autism and vaccinations what are your thoughts?

[headoverfeet]

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[lulululu]

I personally don't believe there's a connection.

[Zombie_eyes]

I have two sons with autism.

Im pregnant with my third baby. So far i have had my gp, our paediatrician and my midwife say "if it were me, i would not vaccinate this third baby"

I dont know what i think of it all tbh.

[Happy2be3]

I personally think we will never really know

I also think that to rule it out completely and say that vaccines NEVER Cause Autistic tendencies in ALL people would be silly.

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[share a book]

There is so much we don't know about Autism, the biggest question is about what causes it. Until we find where it stems from, it's probably best to keep an open mind.

[headoverfeet]

A lot of people seem to of missed this is the PRO NON-VAXXING section...

[Hootenanny]

I think there is a possible link, I think given there is likely a genetic disposition to Autism that it's not going to affect just any child. But I also worry about the cacophony of chemicals and immunological responses we put onto developing bodies. It may be all that is needed to 'push' some children over the limit, whereas other children may be affected by other environmental factors without needing that extra push.

[share a book]

I don't think there is any connection. I know of children with autism who aren't vaxxed, and for their family it appeared to be hereditary.

I guess it's a bit like SIDS. People can smoke in the baby's room, use cot bumpers, put teddies, pillows and thick blankets in and the baby is fine, while someone else follows all the guidelines and loses the baby.

[Kadorite]

FTR - my son is vaxxed (delayed schedule to 12mths) but I have chosen as of his next needles I will no longer be vaxxing.

I'm really unsure to be honest. I think there are many reasons a child may develop Autism (or are they born autistic & it doesn't present until later on?) and I just cannot rule out vaccines as a contributing factor.

[kw123]

I think there is likely a genetic predisposition but personally I think there are too many real life examples of kids who display autism traits directly after vaccinations for there to be NO link at all. I believe there is a link.

I do however accept that that one study was fatally flawed - I am sure we all know the one that I mean.

I would love to be able to give the MMR vaccine components separately. I think this will potentially resolve a number of issues. In fact, I think most of the vaccines should be available separately and I would be willing to pay for it, even if it was expensive.

[Bubmum]

I have two sons with autism.

Im pregnant with my third baby. So far i have had my gp, our paediatrician and my midwife say "if it were me, i would not vaccinate this third baby"

I dont know what i think of it all tbh.

:hugs: It must be the hardest decision... and they don't know any of the causes, it is all just theory. All I can say is that if you choose not to vax, you are doing what you think is the safest thing for your bubble, and if you choose to vax, once again you are choosing what you think is the safest route.

Thermolicious, apart from your petty gossipping...where do you stand on this issue? It is a contentious one...there seems to be no reassurances in either direction.

[Ffrenchknickers]

I don't believe it is completely out of the question that there is a link. More that a vaccine may be a trigger, not actually a cause. The reason I believe this is from hearing personal, heartfelt stories from parents...which I am happy to admit I sometimes put more weight on than what 'the experts' say.

It didn't really come into out decision making though.

[headoverfeet]

FTR - my son is vaxxed (delayed schedule to 12mths) but I have chosen as of his next needles I will no longer be vaxxing.

I'm really unsure to be honest. I think there are many reasons a child may develop Autism (or are they born autistic & it doesn't present until later on?) and I just cannot rule out vaccines as a contributing factor.

My first son was vaccinated until his 12 month ones where due hearing about the autism-mmr link made me ask my GP about getting it done separately which he advised he didn't know if he could do, he referred me onto the central immunization clinic and we went from there. I agree there I think there are many reasons a child may develop autism :yes:

[headoverfeet]

I don't believe it is completely out of the question that there is a link. More that a vaccine may be a trigger, not actually a cause. The reason I believe this is from hearing personal, heartfelt stories from parents...which I am happy to admit I sometimes put more weight on than what 'the experts' say.

It didn't really come into out decision making though.

I agree I think it could be a trigger as well. I was uncomfortable with the idea of it possibly triggering a pre existing condition in my children so it did play a tiny factor :yes:

[RaryGirl]

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[headoverfeet]

I have two sons with autism.

Im pregnant with my third baby. So far i have had my gp, our paediatrician and my midwife say "if it were me, i would not vaccinate this third baby"

I dont know what i think of it all tbh.

I agree it must be a hard decision for you :hugs:

[Nowhere]

So you want opinions on if vax causes Autism but ONLY people that do not vax and thats kids do NOT have autism, or thats children do have autism and can pat them selfs on the head and say they are not the cause, COME ON.

There are LOTS of factors involved in autism and there are no exact studies to say either way if it does or does not cause it, but there is evidence of both vaxed and none vaxed kids having autism.

The right or wrong answer to it none of us know but the big studies that are being done are saying that vax does not cause autism, and there are lots of parents that had reported symptoms of autistic behvaiour well before the vax was done

Either way to discuss the topic you need to have two sides to the conversation other wise its a hole heap of Yes what you said OH i totally agree etc etc etc and that is NOT a discusion its people blowing smoke up your back side for spouting of.

When discussing things like this can people please remember that you are not just talking about a study its not just vax vs none vax there are children involved and parent, parents reading this whose children are autistic and some of the serverly effected by is and they have to read this over and over again how mothers of kids that dont have autistic kids lay the blame that other kids do on the fact that they chose to vax there kids.

[ItWasntMe]

My first son was vaccinated until his 12 month ones where due hearing about the autism-mmr link made me ask my GP about getting it done separately which he advised he didn't know if he could do, he referred me onto the central immunization clinic and we went from there. I agree there I think there are many reasons a child may develop autism :yes:

Do you actually have a child who is on the spectrum? I have done a lot of research about the subject as I do have a child is has diagnosis. There has been no substantiated research showing a link between MMR vaccination and autism. In fact, I am part of a local ASD community and over 3/4 of the children have not received MMR and guess what? They still have autism! Some of these children have autism in their family and some don't. One of the most interesting studies I have read is in regard to ASD being linked to a mutation of sperm during the fathers gestation period.
I can also tell you that most of the ASD children I know, showed signs at birth, well before any MMR vaccination. I believe one of the reasons people are trying to link MMR vaccine and autism is because that is an age where you do start to notice obvious differences between your child and other children the same age if you are not aware of red flags. It is an age where you notice, hey my child should be starting to speak now or walk now.

[Elijahs Mum]

I don't believe it is completely out of the question that there is a link. More that a vaccine may be a trigger, not actually a cause. The reason I believe this is from hearing personal, heartfelt stories from parents...which I am happy to admit I sometimes put more weight on than what 'the experts' say.

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I agree - I think they could possibly be a trigger, my niece ( on DH side) has Aspergers ( no one else in family does) and yes they did see a noticeable change in her after her 12 months shots ( maybe coincidence I know but it does make you think) and yes it did concern me, which is one of my reasons I am delaying MMR until DS starts school
The numbers just seem to be getting higher ( last I read I think 1 in every 55 boys will have autism)

[grumpysmurf]

im not a non vaxer but as a parent of an asd child thought id have my say anyway:p
no i don't believe there is a link. I've spent hours and hours and hours reading research on what might have caused this and to be honest I've never seen any decent research suggesting a mmr link.

and my personal experience was that my son clearly showed traits before mmr and was in no way any different after it.

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[veve]

Hi all

Just a reminder that YES this is the pro anti-vax area of the forum .. but that does not mean that ONLY anti- vax bubhubbers can post. That would be like saying that only single parents can post in the single parents area ... or only the spouses of the military can post in the partners in the armed forces area. As long as posts are on topic and relevant to the area they will remain on the forum. (I hope that makes sense?)

YES there are rules in this area of the forum - and the posts that are made can not breach those rules BUT .. that does not mean that people who vax can not post.

PLEASE DO report any posts that are placed in this area that are pro vax .. however if someone who vaxes posts a constructive or supportive post, please know that it will not be removed.

Regards
Jenny

[BlissedOut]

Hi all

Just a reminder that YES this is the pro anti-vax area of the forum .. but that does not mean that ONLY anti- vax bubhubbers can post. That would be like saying that only single parents can post in the single parents area ... or only the spouses of the military can post in the partners in the armed forces area. As long as posts are on topic and relevant to the area they will remain on the forum. (I hope that makes sense?)

YES there are rules in this area of the forum - and the posts that are made can not breach those rules BUT .. that does not mean that people who vax can not post.

PLEASE DO report any posts that are placed in this area that are pro vax .. however if someone who vaxes posts a constructive or supportive post, please know that it will not be removed.

Regards
Jenny

So this over rides the PP made by RaryGirl saying only people who don't vax can post here?

[veve]

thread closed for moderator discussion ..

thanks y'all