Tizze Hall self settling

[joclare84]

Hi All,

My ds is 9mths old and we have been doing the tizzie hall routines since 3 weeks old. He slept through the night at 9 weeks and would settle himself at the 7pm bedtime 75% of the time. However, the last 2-3mths he seems to have lost the ability to do that! My perfect sleeper has gone down hill. We have a strict bedtime routine which is always the same, i put him down and say good night and then he seems to fuss about and then into a continuous cry (not really a protest cry). I give him the 18mims recommended cor his age and then go in and settle him.

I just dont understand why he all of a sudden needs me everytime to fall asleep. He has also now been waking in the night (may be attributed to teething!) but most of the time he'll go back to sleep when i rub his back. Sometimes he wakes up to 3 times a night now.

The other thing is all this started when he started to sleep on his tummy, sometimes it seems hes not sure if hes comfy there or if hes supposed to sleep there, ive tried rolling him on his side but he just cracks it!

Any advise would be appreciated, im a big fan of the tizzie routines and hope i can get my self settler back!

Jo xo

[shirleysmum]

Hi JoClare

I don't have any advice, but just wanted to let you know that my DS did exactly what your DS is doing. He was a great sleeper - used to self-settle, resettle during the night and a great day-time napper. But it all changed at about 9mths....I ended up having to feed him to sleep, he woke frequently during the night and was unable to re-settle, and turned into a cat-napper. I just put it down to teething (he got 4 teeth all at once), and he started to crawl and was becoming more mobile. I did wonder if there was some sort of separation anxiety going on too????? who knows?????

I tried everything, except any form of CC. It has taken us 3 months to get things back on track...he is still not self-settling, but is sleeping sooo much better now. I think it was a combination of being night weaned, and I changed from feeding to sleep to patting him to sleep that has helped the most.

I probably haven't been very helpful, but you are not alone, and for my DS it was phase. I hope yours isn't as long as mine though!

[RubySunrise]

Hi Joclare, I'm also a huge fan of tizzie's.
I can't say I've experienced that stage yet, as my bub is only 6 months and has no teeth (still!).
But have you tried contacting her through the SOS forums or even asking the other SOS mums on the Facebook page?
You're probably more likely to get an answer there than here....

[joclare84]

Thanks Heaps for replying girls. Its nice to know im not alone! Its just so frustrating cos he was a perfect sleeper! Mellyjane i will keep my fingers crossed u dont go through it! My ds didnt get his first tooth til 8mths! I think the forum in tizzies website u have to pay for and subscribe but i will try the facebook page, thanks! Fingers crossed we all get a good nights sleep tonight! x

[Plod1608]

Hi all, sorry to hijack your post, I've been following SOS routines for 3 weeks, I have a 3 mth old. Settles and resettles during the day easily and also to sleep at night but then wakes 40 mins after sleeping at night. Did anyone else have the same problem?

[RubySunrise]

It says in her book that baby's go thru 40 min cycles. How long does she wake up for?
My DD wakes up at random times at night sometimes (but rarely) and if I just leave her, she goes back to sleep within 2 mins.
Have you tried that?

[Plod1608]

Hi, yep have tried leaving her and it just goes on and on and on, not screaming but 'protesting', I've tried leaving her (she cries on and off for 40min to 2 hrs) patting her (still cries and takes hrs to settle her doing this), feeding her (tried this last night at about 8.30 and she settled afterwards). It's beginning to get very frustrating - she's grumpy during the day because she's not sleeping well until 9-10 at night.

[Alimia]

They have quite a big growthspurt at 3 months so could be just unsettled until that passes

[Alimia]

They have quite a big growthspurt at 3 months so could be just unsettled until that passes

[melab]

My son is 21months & we have been using SOS since he was 4months old. He was waking 40mins after I put him 2 bed 2, when he was about 7months old. I ended up buying the SOS "Settling at 7pm" guide & it basically said if they r waking after 40mins it's usually they are still hungry or aren't warm enough to resettle. Are u feeding till they don't want anymore? Or just a set amount? If he drains he bottle (if FF) offer more. Or try an extra blanket =)

[RubySunrise]

My dd often does that, but she usually goes back to sleep within 5 mins.

How many blankets do you currently have on him? Have you got the safe bedding guide?

[ElleB]

Hey ladies, sorry to hi-jack too but...

DD didn't want to wake for her dream feed last night, so I left it 15mins then woke her... She had approx 25mls (only has 65-75ml/feed anyway) and off she went back to sleep.

I was like "woohoo" but then... DISASTER! She woke half hour later screaming, so fed her some more as she wouldn't settle but then I've been down to her EVERY HALF HOUR!

At 5:30am I ended up putting her in bed with us just to get some sleep!

Has anyone else had anything like this? Should I have left her to sleep and wake that half hour later for her feed??

She's been doing fairly well otherwise, except she does also struggle to stay awake for the recommended time as she doesn't like to "play".

Any ideas??

DD is 14w but 3w corrected. Has been home for 5w.

[SugarSkull]

You should just leave her to sleep. Maybe she's dropping her dream feeds. DS did the same thing and it was because he didn't want/need the dream feed.

[KillerHeels]

ds did this when he needed to drop a day sleep he just wasn't tired enough.

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[RubySunrise]

I always used to wake (or not even wake, literally feed her while she was sleeping) for her dream feeds. Never had an issue.

[ElleB]

Thanks! :)

[Plod1608]

Hey ladies, sorry to hi-jack too but...

DD didn't want to wake for her dream feed last night, so I left it 15mins then woke her... She had approx 25mls (only has 65-75ml/feed anyway) and off she went back to sleep.

I was like "woohoo" but then... DISASTER! She woke half hour later screaming, so fed her some more as she wouldn't settle but then I've been down to her EVERY HALF HOUR!

At 5:30am I ended up putting her in bed with us just to get some sleep!

Has anyone else had anything like this? Should I have left her to sleep and wake that half hour later for her feed??

She's been doing fairly well otherwise, except she does also struggle to stay awake for the recommended time as she doesn't like to "play".

Any ideas??

DD is 14w but 3w corrected. Has been home for 5w.

Hi, I had this problem too when trying to introduce the dream feed or dream feeding at the wrong time. I found it interrupted her night sleep cycles so i just left her and she would sleep through until 2-3am. So I figured it was better getting up then and sometimes once more than staying up to dream feed and then the possibility of interrupting the sleep cycles (even though I didn't wake her or tried not too anyway)

[rachbrown]

Hi everyone!
Just wondering if any fellow Tizzie-ers have 2 children? We are TTC #2 and our DS has been on Tizzie since 14 months (now 18 months) and works a treat. From 7 wks to 14 months was on a similar routine but more "in for 2 minutes, out for 2 minutes" which backfired badly!
Anyway, I am quite worried about sleep with 2 bubs... how in gods name does it work?????
If all the planets align (haha) I will have a newborn and a DS will be 2 yrs and 3 months old....
I am actually quite scared I will not cope at all.

[ELB]

Hi there
I have a two year old and a 10 week old baby. With my first, I followed Tizzie from about 6 weeks, with my baby, from around 2 weeks. I'm pleased to tell you it's been much easier the second time around!

Of course the first couple of weeks were tough, and I never left my baby alone to cry in the early days (ie I never left him for the recommended time in the early days before going in to settle, I always sat with him and patted his back until he went to sleep). Once he got to around 6 weeks I started to leave him for the recommeneded time, but by this stage we rarely had to go into him.
Of course there were difficult days, but overall I found it very easy to follow. Because you know what time etc your toddler and baby will be doing what, you can make sure you are organised ahead of time. For example, if I knew I needed to take some time to settle the baby to sleep, I would give my toddler some books to read beside me, or let him watch a bit of TV during this time. I also set him up with a space beside my feeding chair so I could read him books and interact with him while I was feeding. I found the most difficult time around dinner and bed, so we have needed to adjust it a little bit to suit our family (eg I do dinner for toddler at 5.30pm, breastfeed for baby at 5.45pm, then bath for both at around 6.20pm then book, offer another feed then bed). During this time I also found it really helpful to have meals cooked ahead of time and frozen for both toddler and us, because I found it really hard to get time to cook.
Something I also did temporarily (and this would depend on your child) is change my toddler's day sleep to coincide with my baby so I could also get some rest. For example, I would put my toddler to bed at 12.30pm instead of 1pm if this was baby sleep time, so I could get some rest and jobs done. He often wouldn't go to sleep until a bit later, but was happy to read books in bed himself until he went to sleep. I then shifted both sleep times as per baby routine until now, when they are both going to sleep at 1pm (bliss mummy time!!!!).

I won't pretend every day is easy, but I have found it so helpful to be on a routine. I have still been able to spend lots of time with my toddler and know the best time to get out of the house with two (we still go to playgroup and kindergym every week).

All the best with TTC, I am so in love with my little family and am already thinking about number 3!

[rachbrown]

Thanks so much ELB. You have restored my faith in TTC #2!
I can do this!!!!:cheerleader2::cheerleader2::cheerleader2: