Non and/or Selective Vaxxers - Where did you get your info?

[MilkOnTap]

Hubby and I are in the process of deciding if/when/what to vax our bub. I'm pro-choice, and I totally disagree with pumping our baby with artificial and synthetic vaccines that are unnecessary and/or harmful.

Unfortunately the only info I have found so far is government based - which I believe is heavily biased towards pro-vax :no: . Does anyone have any website suggestions where we can get unbiased information regarding vax so my husband and I can make an informed decision?

Thanks in advance :thumbsup:

[MilkOnTap]

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some of the other threads like http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=32733
have website suggestions. i would suggest that you stay away from government sites and sites that base their arguments on anecdotal evidence. its really really hard i know. good on you for reading up on it which ever way you decide to go!

[the_queen]

VISA - Vaccine Information South Australia.
AVN - Australian Vaccination Network.

I wish I had links for you - one thing I didn't take with me from the husband's house was my extensive collection of Bookmarked websites :no:

[Duchessa]

If you have the money, buy a couple of books - check the references for each claim - ie if they say x disease causes x complication in x amount of children make sure the figures are from a reputable source - equally important, if they make a claim about the efficacy or safety of a vax, make sure that that also comes from a reputable source.

If you have time, read as many med journal articles as you can, look at stats on deaths from disease vs deaths from vax complications (you can access a lot of stuff online), compare, assess, rip your hair out... :D Its an awfully difficult subject that takes a lot of time to get your head around.

Just remember - you don't HAVE to follow the schedule... take your own time to make up your mind and don't let anyone force you to doing things you are uncomfortable with. Make sure you know why you are vaccinating or declining to.

[lilysmum01]

The Australian Vaccination Network will provide you with as much info as they can. They are not anti-vac, but believe that parents should have access to the information needed to make an informed choice. I am a non-vaccer & I believe it was one of the most important decisions I have ever made.
After doing all of my research I am comfortable with the fact that my daughter is not vaccinated.
Their website is www.avn.org.au (http://www.avn.org.au)

[shed]

The one book I can remember the name of is "Well Adjusted Babies" or is it "Well Adjusted Children"? I always get the name mixed up and its by Jennifer someone. Someone on here will know.

That particular book started me off on a journey of discovery. The journey has just begun but we have skipped the vaxes at birth and the eight week ones so far. It was lent to me by my chiropractor.

[bnatural]

start with a couple.. but I have so much else to say

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/unvaccinated.html
there is a video you can purchase also....
http://www.whale.to/b/hoax1.html

bout time someone spoke out against the governtment control on this site...vaccinations is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to control and things detrimental to our health, the plan is to weaken our immune systems so we become dependant on the pharmeceutical companies and hospital visits.. unfortunately we're living in a profit, control and maniulative world controlled by the elite few

[defa]

[quote=Pink Lady;702982]Hubby and I are in the process of deciding if/when/what to vax our bub. I'm pro-choice, and I totally disagree with pumping our baby with artificial and synthetic vaccines that are unnecessary and/or harmful.

Unfortunately the only info I have found so far is government based - which I believe is heavily biased towards pro-vax :no: . Does anyone have any website suggestions where we can get unbiased information regarding vax so my husband and I can make an informed decision?

You said that you totally disagree with pumping our baby with artificial and synthetic vaccines that are unnecessary and/or harmful just thing of the amout of antiobotics your child would need and the amount of hosptial care your child would need if it got Pertussis (Whooping cough)

When you see this you would let your bub have a little neddle that YES might hurt for a little bit but not as much as this....
Young babies with pertussis cannot stop coughing. When they gasp for air at the end of the cough, it often sounds like a “whoop”. This is how the disease got its common name. When babies get pertussis, they may spend a long time in hospital and most need to be in intensive care; some of these babies die. Babies with pertussis may bleed behind the eyes and in the brain from coughing so much or become tired from the coughing and stop breathing. More babies are now getting pertussis in countries where immunisation rates have gone down. However, even in countries where childhood immunisation rates are high, like in Australia, babies are still at risk because teenagers and adults are getting pertussis. Unlike many diseases, protection against pertussis wears off several years after vaccination or after having the disease. There is now a pertussis vaccine available for teenagers and adults and it is recommended that all people planning a pregnancy or who have just had a baby should be vaccinated against this very serious disease.

All for immunisations....

[the_queen]

Newborns never used to get pertussis before mass vaccination.

And for non-vaxxers, it is certainly not the thought of a "little pain" of the needle.

Anyway, Ally didn't ask for a lecture, nor anyone's opinions, she asked where she could find some non-biased information.

Have a nice day :)

[reAllytee]

Its amazing how much more aware you become of everything when your not a lemming. :rolleyes:

Good luck with your research and try to stay away from biased sites and sites that end in gov.au.


I wouldnt really start name calling as there is no need.
I would like to point out that saying because people choose to vax doesnt make them a "lemming" as i think that would pretty much then be the pot calling the kettle black.

I would also like to point out that yes many websites ending in .gov.au are "biased" but so are many others like the avn because you cant get away from what "avn" stands for Anti Vaccination Network so i would keep that in mind.

[defa]

:) I knew that one was going to get trashed but if you have ever see a child with one of these serious disease you would understand where is was coming from Perth pony you said you were going to be a Dr well i think you might change your mind when a mother brings her very sick child to you and you have to tell her that her baby isn't going to make it as it has one of the disease that we have a vax for... You will nevr know how that feels untill your there...
I hope to dear god you never have th chance...
:hugs: Hugs to you all this is just something very strong to my heart...

[theycallmemum]

http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

It is American but it lists the ingredients in all the shots so you can decide yourself whether you want to go ahead and inject your child with what is in that particular shot.

Formaldehyde btw is used as a preservative. I used to work as a dental nurse and formaldehyde was used as a sterilising agent for things that couldn't be autoclaved. It was so dangerous to our health we had to wear double surgical gloves and breathing masks and the room had a special exhaust fan to help remove the fumes and we were constantly warned not to splash it on our skin. It is also used to embalm dead bodies. Yet it's perfectly safe to inject into our precious bubs?

[the_queen]

Talk about "informed" Allyoo... AVN stands for Australian Vaccination Network. Just FYI ;)

[MilkOnTap]

Ladies - thank you for all your input but the thread is starting to get a bit off track.

I think its a good idea to begin steering this one back to where I intended it to go - which is just for a direction to resources that are not government provided with regards to the safety of vaccinations.
Thank you :yes:

[stellarella]

I would suggest googling the names of actual vaccines...

Pedvax
Infanrix
Prevenar

To find the drug information sheets for each vaccine. The other links you have been given are great too, however its harder to argue with the drug info sheets as they are provided by the drug companies them selves and IMO the ingredients listed on them are positively frightening and they should be ashamed of themselves for injecting them into our bubbas.

I have a few here:
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_infanrix.pdf

http://www.gsk.com.au/resources.ashx/vaccineproductschilddatadownloads/52/File/3AB64EB18D2CD97D1D8A123F0DB980BF/CMI_Infanrix.pdf

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/p/pedvax_hib/pedvax_pi.pdf#search=%22pedvax%20hib%22

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcmed.nsf/pages/wycpreve/$File/wycpreve.pdf#search=%22prevenar%22

I would then suggest googling some of the ingredients on these info sheets.

Happy information seeking:wave:

[reAllytee]

Talk about "informed" Allyoo... AVN stands for Australian Vaccination Network. Just FYI ;)


Yes thats what it is now known as but not originally anyways i am now out of this one as its obvious the thread is going way off track.

[bnatural]

another point to also mention is if you have a strong immune system you can fight almost anything you come in contact with, through mind manipulation in the forms of tv, media, medical centres we have lost our intuition and have become depentant on what 'we are told to do' ...i see some great posts on here and am wondering where you people were when i wrote about this a while ago??.. i have faith again.. it is so important to get our freedom back and educate ourselves...coz the governents and media sure as he ll aint doing a good job..they only have profit in mind.... good on you all

[stellarella]

another point to also mention is if you have a strong immune system you can fight almost anything you come in contact with, through mind manipulation in the forms of tv, media, medical centres we have lost our intuition and have become depentant on what 'we are told to do' ...i see some great posts on here and am wondering where you people were when i wrote about this a while ago??.. i have faith again.. it is so important to get our freedom back and educate ourselves...coz the governents and media sure as he ll aint doing a good job..they only have profit in mind.... good on you all

I agree with you bnatural:yelclap: , but I think this thread will close if we keep going off topic and turning it into a debate.

Lets stick to giving assistance about where to find info so we can continue to make people question the whole vax thing.:D

[WeThree]

A few things I would like to remind people of:
Many extremely intelligent people who have had the same access to the same resources as non vaxxers have made an educated decision to vaccinate. In no way does it make them 'lemmings' or stupid just because their research led them to a different conclusion, so I dont want to see any more posts that hint at this sort of thing.
I also wanted to clear up for any that may be confused, bubhub is a privately owned and run site. It is run and owned by a lovely couple and it has nothing to do with the government in anyway nor are they in any way influenced, by anyone in government. Any opinions shared here are simply that, the opinions of ordinary mums and dads like you and me.
Thankyou

[Duchessa]

Hey PerthPony, its great to see someone who is in the system keeping an open mind and prescribing choice and research! Yay for open minded doctors!

I'm sure I speak for many of us when I say, all we want is a doctor who is well informed, resists indoctrination, respects us as patients and who will freely discuss the various risks and benefits without sounding like a commercial for Pfizer/Bayer/EliLilly etc etc

[Duchessa]

Back to the topic...

The Canadian Vax Network (VRAN) has some interesting stuff...
www.vran.org/index.htm

If you have time it is interesting to see just how many people are dying/injured by disease... here:
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/wcms/Publishing.nsf/Content/Communicable+Diseases+Australia-1

Here is a benefits/risk pamphlett written by an Aust doctor...
http://homepage.mac.com/doctormark/html_docs/Vax_risk.html

Here is a pro site that describes the theory behind mass vax...
http://www.science.org.au/nova/012/012print.htm

[bnatural]

that's great to know that this website is privatly run.. [text deleted by moderator - Off Topic] but back to the main discussion, I would like to know why people who choose to vaccinate aren't at all swayed by the alternative information? I think this is a relevant question to the topic without discriminating..so I would think it would really help the person who started this thread.

I just want to know.. is it personal experiences perhaps?. or do they just feel that it makes more sense?

For me it wasn't just reading alternative information.. although this did aid, but it was personal contact with babies who had side-effects, talks with a number of naturopaths, understanding the human body (through my studies in naturopathy) world politics are also involved in my choice.. there are so many lies out there.. I find myself questioning everything.

[MilkOnTap]

I would like to know why people who choose to vaccinate aren't at all swayed by the alternative information? I think this is a relevant question to the topic without discriminating..so I would think it would really help the person who started this thread.

Since I am the person who began the thread I will explain my own purposes to finding out all the information that I can with regards to vax. It has taken a long time to fall pregnant, and with two bubs in heaven (ectopic) predominately due to an illness I had myself that COULD have been avoided, I have the responsibility and duty of care to do my best to take care of this bub which I have been blessed with now.

I would be irresponsible to believe that a single source of information is correct - instead I choose to read and study extensive resources so tht I may make an informed decision regarding the welfare of my own child.

Thank you to all who have provided useful information on this thread. For fear that it is really still going off track and becoming a debate instead of a discussion to share resources, I am going to close it now.


PS - Mods, where is the close button? I dont seem to have one anymore!