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DS2 is 6mths, if i was to CC how would i do it
This has some information on how to do it.
http://raisingchildren.net.au/
Discuss with your partner how you are going to do it, have a plan in place before your lo's bed time.
If you are going to do it, be consistent.
Good luck
MothersMilk
18-11-2011, 12:38
I'm not totally sure but there is a step by step guide in the sticky threads in this section that should help. :hugs:
Still having troubles? I have been following your threads my daughter is close in age and a horrible sleeper despite co sleeping so I feel your pain
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how are you going? do you still need some help?
Thank you.
He gave me a 100% random 11hr sleep tuesday night. But apart from that we are still waking every 2-3hrs. Ive spoken to the Paed who gave me info on CC, so we are using that. Thanks though.
Bubbles10
09-12-2011, 07:54
Waking every 2 to 3 hours at 6 months is not that uncommon, even though it can be tough on parents.
hope you find something to get you through. Yay for 11 hours!
Yep im aware of that. But when he doesnt go to sleep until 12-1am and wakes every 2hrs until he gets up at 8 im wrecked by the next day with no chance to nap the next day because of my 3.5yo. Ive been doing this for 7mths and its affecting my mental state. Thank you :) but i dont want to be told 'its normal' suck it up iykwim. :)
Kooglekat
09-12-2011, 11:49
Thank you.
He gave me a 100% random 11hr sleep tuesday night.
Wow! Did you manage to get some sleep? I would have been lying in bed worrying that he had stopped breathing lol!
Hope things keep improving for you guys :hugs:
Wow! Did you manage to get some sleep? I would have been lying in bed worrying that he had stopped breathing lol!
Hope things keep improving for you guys :hugs:
I passed out, woke at 8am and freaked, i looked at my vid monitor and watched him move or i would have raced straight in there
Bubbles10
09-12-2011, 12:38
Yep im aware of that. But when he doesnt go to sleep until 12-1am and wakes every 2hrs until he gets up at 8 im wrecked by the next day with no chance to nap the next day because of my 3.5yo. Ive been doing this for 7mths and its affecting my mental state. Thank you :) but i dont want to be told 'its normal' suck it up iykwim. :)
I never said you should suck it up. Sleep deprivation is horrible, that's why they use it as a torture method.
take care
Didnt say you did :). But the "its normal" suggestions feel like thats what people are saying tome (iykwim). I *need* him to sleep, i know he can do it.
faroutbrusselsprout
09-12-2011, 13:07
Oh you poor thing.. Its just horrible. I remember the feeling
I took DS2 to sleep school where we did controlled comforting. He was 13 months and it worked brilliantly.
There was no times/clocks and I was allowed to follow my intincts.
He was never left screaming or crying for any period of time. I sat and patted and shushed and hummed etc etc.
It took a good 4 nights and could never have done it by myself with the state I was (pregnant depressed etc)
Hopefully someone can recommend a book or something..?
I'd do some research and find someone like Pinky McKay or similar to help.
You definately need a plan, some strategies and some energy to commit to a few nights.
Bubbles10
09-12-2011, 13:39
Pinky McKay is good, but doesn't do CC.
I found some good ideas in the 'No Cry Sleep Solution' but it also doesn't involve CC.
Working out the strategy to go with was the hardest bit for me.
(But my LO slept through for the first time at 15 months, so my advice is probably not the best to follow :D)
Thank you :) We are at the stage of doing CC, we've tried everything else. We cant cosleep as he rolls now. We cant sidecar a cot because if he is next to me he wants to nurse alllllllll night (when ive had a bad night i bring him into bed with me he nurses for 2+hrs and squeals if i take him off)
So we CC. We started waiting for the inevitable hysterical crying, waited 1min, going in and comforting him, leaving the room, and repeat. The first night we tried this it took 2hrs to get him to sleep (:() but he slept for 5hrs then self settled for another 4.5hrs, he did this the next night too. Then he got a temp and i didnt feel comfortable letting him cry. So we went backwards.
Now as soon as i put him down he knows im going to leave so he cries straight away. So we've extended the crying to 3-4min then going in. So far we've gone 3hrs with no settling so i went and picked him up. The other times DP has patted him all the way to sleep. Now he is sick again so i cant let him cry. So we are at square one and i dont know what to do from here.
Ive tried the No cry sleep solution. And another book on no-cry settling. But they didnt work.
ETA: We've been to the Paed to make sure he is healthy before we started the CC. She recommended a holiday for me. Im too sleep deprived to make anything work. And when i finally get more than 3hrs sleep i fall to pieces as im not used it, which puts me in a giant fristrated cycle, which he can sense. So when we go on holidays at the end of the month my mum is going to do the night waking for me so i get at least a week solid sleep so im relaxed enough to continue helping him sleep or cc, whichever works.
Hi there,
I see a sleep doctor and he's worked wonders for me and my kids. He told me today that he's helped over 43,000 mums with their babies. If you live in Adelaide you could visit him, otherise he has a website with a forum that outlines what you should do. www.silentnights.org (http://www.silentnights.org)
I know it's hard when they get sick and fair enough for not doing CC then. Once he is healthy make sure you are consistent with whatever you choose to do. With my first child I wasn't consistent and it took so much longer than it should have.
All the best.
I hope your holiday gives you some well deserved rest Indigo, sleep deprivation to the exent you have described really sends you off the deep end. :hugs:
Take care, all the best :)
Myztiks#1Fan
09-12-2011, 22:34
I hope your holiday gives you some well deserved rest Indigo, sleep deprivation to the exent you have described really sends you off the deep end. :hugs:
Take care, all the best :)
I agree indy. So happy to hear your mum is going to help by doing the night shifts for you.
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Daydream Believer
09-12-2011, 23:07
Hey!
Wow, this sounds awful. Poor thing.
Have you hear of Karitane?
I was having trouble with my girl at 10months old, and loooong story short, she wouldn't sleep unless I held her, and if we try cc she would vomit.
I know it's taboo to say they can vomit for attention, and I'm in no way saying that She WAS, but basically, she seemed to know that chucking in bed was a free ticket out.
Anyway, I used a kind of withdrawal method, I slept on a blow up mattress next to her cot with my had through the bars, and she would kind of just lay on my hand, and flip around for a while. If she started to cry I rolled over or coughed, so she knew I was still there, but no talking or anything.
For the first few days I slept the night in her room, then I left when she was asleep (lucky I didn't have to re-settle those nights) and then about a week later I could leave before she fell asleep.
It was helpful because full blown cc wasn't really an option, being that she vomits.
I've gone from the depths of depression (after months of sleep deprivation) to having an angel who sleeps all night, without a peep at bedtime, and I HONESTLY didn't think this would happen.
I started a thread about it, maybe it could be helpful?
And if none of this is helpful, then really, all I wanted was to let you know I feel for you. :hugs: hope something gives for you, soon!
Hugs OP, thanks for posting, this is helpful for me too! I realise our lack of routine and consistency is a big factor. DD (10mths) is just feeding and getting sleepy now - last nap was 3-5pm! We tried at 8pm but she wouldn't settle. I'm so sick of not having any non-parent time and not enough sleep. My CC is just me going to bed with a pillow over my head because I just get too exhausted to go through the 2-3 hour settling process!!
Must get a routine, must be more consistent!
Sigh, wishing us both a better night sleep :)
Have you got access to sleep school? We went to Tresillians. They assist with control comforting. You've got the support and expert knowledge available there. There will be some crying involved but not the distressed emotional type cries. They will teach you how to interpret a protest or whinging cry from a 'needs or emotional cry' that requires your prompt attention with hugs, cuddles, shushing and hands on settling etc. The aim there is to teach bubs to self settle. Do it correctly the first time (with professional support) so that it becomes a positive experience for you both. It's not the dreaded cry it out method everyone dreads. They'll also teach you about tired signs. Some babies have very subtle tired signs like my DS. You will also get the rest you need to recharge.
I like the book by Sheyne Rowley - dream baby guide.
Good luck
Have you got access to sleep school? We went to Tresillians. They assist with control comforting. You've got the support and expert knowledge available there. There will be some crying involved but not the distressed emotional type cries. They will teach you how to interpret a protest or whinging cry from a 'needs or emotional cry' that requires your prompt attention with hugs, cuddles, shushing and hands on settling etc. The aim there is to teach bubs to self settle. Do it correctly the first time (with professional support) so that it becomes a positive experience for you both. It's not the dreaded cry it out method everyone dreads. They'll also teach you about tired signs. Some babies have very subtle tired signs like my DS. You will also get the rest you need to recharge.
I like the book by Sheyne Rowley - dream baby guide.
Good luck
No access to a sleep school. Unless im lucky enough to get into the Ellen Barron centre in the 2wks im in Brisbane in Jan. We are really just fumbling along. Last night he took from 730-1030 to go to sleep, then he woke at 1, didnt got back to sleep until 3. Then woke at 7.
The other night he slept from 12-2 4-6. How does this baby function on 4hrs sleep? Its beyond ridiculous, and its most certainly a habit. He has got to be the most stubborn baby EVER!!
blondekelli
12-12-2011, 20:48
Have you ruled out reflux or silent reflux? Sounds very similar to what I went through with my DD until she was medicated. It would take us from about 9pm til 1-2 to get her to sleep in her cot. During the day someone would have to hold her or she wouldn't sleep. It was horrible
She was a little baby and would go 10 hours without sleep. The worst day was 18 hours without sleep. Once she wS medicated properly everything changed
Have you ruled out reflux or silent reflux? Sounds very similar to what I went through with my DD until she was medicated. It would take us from about 9pm til 1-2 to get her to sleep in her cot. During the day someone would have to hold her or she wouldn't sleep. It was horrible
She was a little baby and would go 10 hours without sleep. The worst day was 18 hours without sleep. Once she wS medicated properly everything changed
Yep, the Paed looked at him. He is perfectly healthy, shows no signs of reflux. Also with the introduction of solids the Paed said there would most likely have been soe change, but there wasnt. My DS1 had reflux so ive seen it before.
12+hrs awake is a pretty regular thing here :(
LittleBug'sMum
12-12-2011, 21:16
If you are going to be in Brisbane I would recommend seeing Rene Rees, she is a child health nurse that specialises in sleep problems- see http://healthybaby.com.au/drupal/ I went and saw her for 15 minutes as a pharmacy visit (for free) and she solved my DS's sleep problems.
Majestic Hiss
12-12-2011, 21:25
Indigo have you thought about chiro? I really really think there has to be something wrong health wise as to why he is not sleeping. He sounds EXACTLY like my DS who had silent reflux. Once we treated the reflux he started sleeping better. I know the paed has checked him but there has to be SOMETHING going on.
ICanDream
12-12-2011, 21:29
There is a lady that will come to your house, I know she does mainly metro areas - is this of any use to you? I'll PM you the details if you want. We used her with DD at 7mths and it was an absolute miracle godsend. We went through (and still do) years of pain with DS partly due to his enlarged adenoids and tonsils which we didn't know about and got so desperate for sleep we used anything we could and got stuck in all sorts of sticky situations. DS was 3 when she came for DD but she helped us with him too and it made a big improvement there too. Basically my DH and I didn't share a bed for over 3yrs and in one night she put an end to it!!!:hyper:
SaminAus
12-12-2011, 21:53
We were the same as icandream, our dd slept through from 5 weeks no problem, but then our DS didn't sleep with CC, with feeding to sleep anything, he went onto a bottle at 1 and we even let him keep the bottle til he was 3, he woke up numerous times every night, and finally at around 3.5 they diagnosed sleep apnea due to enlarged tonsils and adenoids, at age 3.5 they were removed and he started sleeping properly.
Looking back I wonder how I survived through the sleep deprivation, but as a mum you do survive.
Indigo have you thought about chiro? I really really think there has to be something wrong health wise as to why he is not sleeping. He sounds EXACTLY like my DS who had silent reflux. Once we treated the reflux he started sleeping better. I know the paed has checked him but there has to be SOMETHING going on.
She said as im in a bad cycle my mood is rubbing off on him, i also dont have the heart at the moment to do it properly as im so tired i give up because i just want sleep. But im on holidays soon, mum is going to help, if he is still doing this soon then she said to go back and she will write me some Zantac. I dont want to medicate him yet as he doesnt show one sign at all of reflux. Apart from no sleep he is happy all the time, eating fine, drinking fine. He only cries because i put him in the cot.
There is a lady that will come to your house, I know she does mainly metro areas - is this of any use to you? I'll PM you the details if you want. We used her with DD at 7mths and it was an absolute miracle godsend. We went through (and still do) years of pain with DS partly due to his enlarged adenoids and tonsils which we didn't know about and got so desperate for sleep we used anything we could and got stuck in all sorts of sticky situations. DS was 3 when she came for DD but she helped us with him too and it made a big improvement there too. Basically my DH and I didn't share a bed for over 3yrs and in one night she put an end to it!!!:hyper:
No, i dont have access to many things at all. I live on a small island. We even have to fly off for the hospital. Thanks for the suggestion though. Im going to ring the Ellen Barron centre, but its really really hard to get into, so i dont like my chances.
When we were at sleep school last, another mother with her 5 month old bubs had travelled all the way from QLD to attend Tresillians with great success. This Mum was at the end of her tether. They saw the paediatrician there on day 2 who trialled bubs on losec for silent reflux. They extended their stay for another couple of days and by the end of day 9 bubs was sleeping much better. It may have been a combination of the meds and other things. Not necessarily suggesting you travel to NSW as it is costly, but see if you can access Ellen Barron Centre. Surely they have look at each case individually and prioritise accordingly. Yours is one that need to go to the top of the list
My heart certainly goes out to you!!! My DS was a terrible sleeper day and night. Even once on losec, the constant crying stopped (he was happy as day) but the sleep issues continued. Took forever to get him to sleep. Overnight he too would only sleep 6-7 broken hrs if that (after putting him down at 7pm to sleep). He was also lucky to get at least 1 day sleep. I've posted my DS issues previously on the general sleep forum so I know how it feels. He has only just gotten better (although still not the best sleeper). He still wakes 2 times overnight but at least now he goes to sleep after a feed. I also found a difference with his sleep when I commenced DS on goats milk formula. Apparently he was reacting to cows milk formula and this was keeping him up. Now he is on solids, I find he reacts to some foods which may also affect his sleep. We also trialled chiro which helped a lot, although it sounds like you may not have access to a paediatric chiro living on a small island.
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