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veve

11-10-2011, 22:31

Hi Misschief ..

I know that most mums on the bubhub forum tend to stick to the forum - but the bubhub site is MORE than just this wonderful (rather addictive :p ) forum.

There is already a fully functional directory attached to the site here - http://www.bubhub.com.au/directory/ the directory is FREE to list on (and free to access) so you could always apply for a free listing???

eta - snap rarygirl :D

Misschief

11-10-2011, 22:46

I dont really want to register like that. Im only a 1 person business and make my little creatures as a hobby in my spare time.
Its not a registered business with the fair trading either. Its just a little WAHM thingy.
I only sell/showcase my cute creations on a Facebook page. Im not big enough to go through the trouble to set up a website.
If I was a huge business and worked all day every day making my creatures and selling 10 a week, than I would consider registering my business properly with fair trading and on BubHub.

Anyway, it was just a suggestion. Maybe make a special section within the directory for WAHM's and handmade items. I know a lot of people would rather buy stuff handmade by WAHM's, than go to a big shop/business :)

RaryGirl

11-10-2011, 22:51

There are alot of WAHMs listed in the directory linking to their FB sales page or blog ... fantastic FREE advertising opportunity. :)

Misschief

11-10-2011, 22:56

It says:

Free listings will not be provided in the following circumstances:

eBay stores or any other 'third party' based stores

Third party in this case being Facebook?
Also if you can specifically list WAHM's in the directory as WAHM's, people dont have to dig through the huge amount of shops to find a WAHM.

Anyway, I just thought it would make it easier for WAHM's and their future customers :)

BlissedOut

11-10-2011, 23:00

BH is a business, so it could be a good business opportunity. $5/month to be a BH WAHP.

In exchange for this you could supply them with their own forum to discuss business and allow them to link to their stores in their signatures.

I think a LOT of members who are WAHPs would consider it a good opportunity.

Misschief

11-10-2011, 23:04

I think a LOT of members who are WAHPs would consider it a good opportunity.

Yep I would be in on that!

Alexis83

11-10-2011, 23:09

I like this idea. :-)

bubhub

12-10-2011, 09:42

Morning - I'm not averse to this idea at all. We have kind of discussed it in the office before but do come up against a couple of issues and I'll write more about those in a second.

This is your community - if this is what a reasonable number of members want, then we're happy to go with it.

What I'm going to do is move this whole thread to the Bub Hub Army section where I'm going to let those of you who want this feature drive the thread to get member opinion and draft together your own set of guidelines and rules for the section.

I'll post a new thread in a minute with some things to consider. (Some of them may seem a bit negative, but having run a forum for several years now, we've seen the (very small number of) tricksters, scammers and fraudsters who ruin things for everyone.

bubhub

12-10-2011, 09:53

Here are some of the things that I think you need to consider ...

who would be allowed to promote their WAHP business?

- long term bubhubbers with, say, a minimum of 300 posts (or 100 or whatever number you chose)

- any member - even if a newbie who's just joined to promote their WAHP business on here

is it a 'service' for regular bubhubbers or a service for Aussie WAHPs
what size business is considered WAHP?

We run bubhub from my home, so I'm a WAHM - would you allow a business like mine to join in?

is it just products or can services be included to? eg hairdressers, tupperware parties
would the area be open for all to view or restricted to members who are logged in, members with a certain number of posts, etc
how would you deal with complaints of fraud?

eg viewer 1 says that they've paid WAHMx but never received their goods, whilst WAHMx says that they've sent them or viewer 1 never paid

do you want to run it in the forum where WAHPs just promote their product/service via threads (where we allow images). Private purchases - through paypal? Or as a totally separate section of the bubhub website with special software (like an etsy)
Would you consider charging a monthly fee to be able to post in this section (that's already been mentioned in the thread)?

that would get rid of some of the fraudsters and tricksters who look for an easy scam. If so, what fee?

could you extend it to offer services between members - eg a mum might be a copywriter at home and other members could advertise for small jobs that they need doing for their business - such as logo design, brochure design - that another mum at home could help with, for a fee

OK - sorry, that might look a bit scary, but those are all things that we need to think about to ensure that we don't start this and just get swamped with 'wahm' who genuinely sell nikes, mobile phones, etc from home!

Looking forward to reading the discussions.
I'll move this thread now to the Army.

bubhub

12-10-2011, 09:56

Oh, and one last thing, we don't provide listings atm in our directory for businesses that only have an ebay or facebook presence as, from experience, we've found that these businesses tend to disappear very quickly and our directory gets out of date.

kmetius

12-10-2011, 10:00

I'm for it but I think if you are going to allow advertising of things Mums sell you should allow advertising for services they provide also

bubhub

12-10-2011, 10:06

I'm for it but I think if you are going to allow advertising of things Mums sell you should allow advertising for services they provide also

I agree

BlissedOut

12-10-2011, 10:08

Okay, I don't think you should sell items/services via BH, it's too messy.I think there should be a section dedicated to WAHP discussion which ANYONE can participate in to discuss being a WAHP and business, but no one can advertise in any way without being a 'WAHHubber'.To be a WAHHubber you must apply to the sections administrator, have 300 posts minimum, pay a fee. BH has the right to take away WAHHubber if any complaints made against said person are substantiated at the administrators discretion.A WAHHubber would have something saying they are and would be free to have a link to their site in their signature. Fees must be paid on a monthly basis, this ensures the stores are still operating. I think banning sites like FB from being included would make it unsuccessful, it is the top online selling method for WAHPs here in Australia at the moment.

BlissedOut

12-10-2011, 10:10

I promise that was laid out nicely... BH doesn't seem to think I'm pressing enter lately. Will edit and try again.I forgot to mention, definitely include services.I think it's a great way for hubbers to support hubbers.

bubhub

12-10-2011, 10:11

I like the name WAHhubber - sounds like a Hawaiian beach bar with gorgeous cocktails!

My comment about Facebook was about our directory - but it you wanted to be able to link to ebay, etsy, facebook, whatever in this new area that we are discussing, that would be fine by me.

WAHhubbers could be distinguished by an avatar or something in their usertitle, perhaps.

BlissedOut

12-10-2011, 10:18

I like the name WAHhubber - sounds like a Hawaiian beach bar with gorgeous cocktails!My comment about Facebook was about our directory - but it you wanted to be able to link to ebay, etsy, facebook, whatever in this new area that we are discussing, that would be fine by me.WAHhubbers could be distinguished by an avatar or something in their usertitle, perhaps.I'd say usertitle.Most WAHHubbers would be happy just to be able to link in their signature and discuss business here in the Hub.

Atlantic Puffin

12-10-2011, 10:28

I think perhaps not be able to "advertise" your business via BH - instead maybe start a thread or section where people can JUST link to where ever they sell from and a brief description...

Be it FB, etsy, eBay etc etc...

I would have it set up that bh accepts zero responsibility for users who don't have a positive experience.

I know there are alot of super duper talented people out on bh land who have crazy talents and run their own business'....

Bh Ed have you trialled perhaps letting people have ONE line in their sig linking to where ever they sell?? then limiting the whole sales/advertising threads/sections on the actual forum....???

What problems would this pose?

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bubhub

12-10-2011, 10:37

BHCommunity

12-10-2011, 10:49

BlissedOut

12-10-2011, 10:49

In terms of signatures, what we could do is have a special template for approved WAHhubbers where they can include a link to their business together with, say, a WAHhubber 'logo'.

That would distinguish the signature from a normal signature. If we just allow business links in normal signatures, the mods will have a hell of a time editting signatures of less scrupulous members who think it's ok to start adding links because they've seen links in other signatures.

Good idea. I'd let them have an image link limited in dimensions so you get more than a business name, you get a visual. So like a ticker, but with their products or whatever and the WAHHubber logo, but they have to put it together and it has to be within dimensions, or have a standard one that they can create like the BH tickers.

I just like pretty things.... :laughing:

BlissedOut

12-10-2011, 10:53

What kinds of products and services do you offer as a WAHM/D? I'm wondering about how we organise the forum or Directory and what kinds of categories in order to make it useful and easy to find what you're looking for rather than having to trawl through pages of posts.

Maybe a section with admin created threads for each category and WAHHubbers can post a blurb and image in their category.

my*lil*munchkin

12-10-2011, 11:32

I'd definitely be interested in this :yes: I work at my 'normal' job 3 days a week but also have a small WAHM biz (Facebook page). I think it would be a great opportunity for us WAHM/Ps to get our name out there!
Plus I love buying from other WAHMs! :smile:

** sent from my iPhone cos I'm too lazy to use the computer **

Misschief

12-10-2011, 11:45

Maybe a section with admin created threads for each category and WAHHubbers can post a blurb and image in their category.

That was my initial thought. You could have a section for everything "handmade" (like nappies, toys, etc)
You could have a section for professionals like accounting, mortgage services, etc.
Then a section for trades like plumbing, pestcontrol etc.

A friend of mine is doing a plumbing course. She's a single mum and I now she would love to put her services out there. Unless ofcourse they are an employee within a bigger business.

I would indeed limit it to hubbers who have a 500 post minimum.
BH should not be responsible for transactions gone sour.

To tackle the bit about the "negative feedback", you could ofcourse insist people to use registered/express post so that there's a tracking number if they need to send items. Also if people pick something up, get a receipt book from the newsagent and get the customer to sign.

I really wouldn't exclude Facebook pages as they are super popular these days because they are simple to set up for people like me. I don't have a clue on how to set up a whole website.
You could even have a minimum of "likers" their page has, to see if it is a trick or a fair dinkum business. For instance a minimum of 50 likers. My page only has 40 as I just started, but that will go up if my friends keep sharing my page with their friends and if you do enough "shout outs".

The one thing to consider is, do we allowed husband/wife teams as WAHP's?

Misschief

12-10-2011, 11:46

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Plus I love buying from other WAHMs! :smile:

Ditto! I'd much rather support a WAHM than a big profit run business :)

BlissedOut

12-10-2011, 12:01

I think 300 posts is enough, BH is a community and I think you must contribute to be apart of that community and for that community to 'contribute' back to you.

I don't think the FB pages should have a minimum amount of likers, being a WAHHubber could be a great launchpad for a new business.

Widget - Page 'likes' don't add your 'like' count.

The one thing to consider is, do we allowed husband/wife teams as WAHP's?

Errrr... why wouldn't we?

Misschief

12-10-2011, 12:24

I dont know. I guess if the husband runs a business like pestcontrol and the wife does the accounting, its possible that the husband doesn't have a BubHub account.
IMO they should be allowed, Im just thinking if people want to be nitpicky, they can say "oh but the business is in your husbands name and HE isn't on BubHub, only YOU are"

aLittleLoopy

12-10-2011, 13:13

Yep, great idea. I would like to add my little Facebook page too :yes:

Misschief

12-10-2011, 14:06

Widget - Page 'likes' don't add your 'like' count.

I noticed yesterday after my first shout out, that page likes actually do count towards your likes. Thats what shout outs are for I think. To attract other business and personal likers. Sort of a "word of mouth" thing.

So do you think we could set something up?

1. A minimum post count of 300+
2. Businesses are responsible to supply their own proof of purchase by customer, simply by supplying registered/express post or a signed receipt.
3. A disclaimer that BH is mnot responsible for business transactions gone sour.
4. Categorize businesses by their services ie. professional, trades, handmade etc.
5. The forum/directory can be visible for outsiders of BubHub as this will just increase exposure?
6. Allow Facebook pages.
7. Perhaps a fee to get rid of fraudsters, like perhaps $5p/month?
8. Have 1 admin or more be responsible for this new WAHM section, or have 1 admin for each category?
9......

Does anyone want to add or change anything in this list? Please make suggestions if you have any, so we can make this work :D

bubhub

12-10-2011, 14:13

All sounding feasible atm.

Just one concern about where you draw the line to distinguish what is a WAHP business. Do we make it a bubhub members directory and anyone with more than 300 posts who wants to pay the $5/month can have a listing in there to promote their business?

bubhub

12-10-2011, 14:14

Happy to link to Facebook - just reiterating that my earlier comments about facebook relate to our business directory, not to something that we might set up in the forum for members.

bubhub

12-10-2011, 14:16

Will have to look into the logistics of the monthly payment. I agree that it keeps the directory current - you're not going to pay $5/month if you are not running the business anymore.

Other option is that it's free but you have to put a link back to Bubhub on your website and/or Facebook page ?

Lovemyfam

12-10-2011, 14:21

You could always use itrader for vbulletin, when I ran a forum we had a buy sell and trade section, people could leave feedback after transactions and it was clear the forum was not to be held responsible.

Would website design be allowed? or is that a service?

bubhub

12-10-2011, 14:22

itrader sounds like an option worth exploring.

i think the general consensus is that bubhubber members can promote any wah business - so if it's a service like web design, that's fine. Might need to use you myself when we get swamped here :)

Misschief

12-10-2011, 14:33

Would website design be allowed? or is that a service?

I dont see why not? That would probably fall under a "professional" heading? Like you need to have done a proper course/study to be able to build websites.
You might find you get quite busy if the WAHP's want to expand from Facebook to a proper website hahaha :D

I dont mind paying a fee to keep it current, or indeed you can link back to BubHub. Though not sure how that would work with Facebook?
Like, my page I cant really put any headers on there I think. I can "like" BubHub on Facebook with my page, but as far as I know, that's all you can do with a Facebook page?

On the other hand, if its easy to link back to BubHub, than tricksters would still do just that. People normally get hit the hardest with money. I dont think they'd be prepared to spend $5,- per month just to prank/trick people.

You could set up a PayPal service or even a Direct Debit/Deposit system?

BlissedOut

12-10-2011, 15:01

I dont see why not? That would probably fall under a "professional" heading? Like you need to have done a proper course/study to be able to build websites.

I do graphic design and build websites, but have never done a proper course or studied? Professional just means you're paid to do it.

You could set up a PayPal service or even a Direct Debit/Deposit system?

I'd do it via paypal, direct debit would mean there's no conscious thought to make the payment every month.

I agree that the link back is too easy for someone who's not a serious WAHP to do and it's not a regular monthly thing.

You can add a link to bubhub in your info on your page.

bubhub

12-10-2011, 15:03

With a facebook link-back, I'd say that your page likes our page and then our page appears in the featured likes in the left hand column of your page. Does that make sense?

BlissedOut

12-10-2011, 15:11

Okay, so my thoughts for the forum are...:

WAHHubber Forum, with a sub-forum called 'The WAHHubber Directory'.
1 or 2 mods assigned to specifically moderate the WAHHubbers, even current mods, I think Nomsie (?) has a FB business so understands the ins and outs.
$5 fee per month via PayPal in order to retain your 'WAHHubber' status on the forum.
For the WAHHubber the benefits are...:

WAHHubber in your title on your profile.
An image signature that is the same shape as a ticker and has a 'WAHHubber - BubHub' logo on it that links to their online site/shop.
A listing including a blurb and image in a category thread in 'The WAHHubber Directory'.
For the greater BubHub community the benefits are...:

Being able to support fellow hubbers in their WAHP ventures.
Being able to discuss WAHP business (but not link to their business in any way) in the forum. Eg. Ideas for market stalls etc...
Moderation...:

If a Bub Hub member finds a business via the section and is 'ripped off' and can prove it, the hubber will have their WAHHubber status removed at the mods discretion.
'Illegal' sigs will be identifiable as they wont have the logo.
Bub Hub holds no responsibility for any transactions made through businesses found via Bub Hub.
I don't think you want to over complicate it. I also think letting people host shops here on BH wont be as successful, as most have successfully trading businesses elsewhere already and those who don't can easily create stores via sites like Big Cartel and MadeIt.

BlissedOut

12-10-2011, 15:17

With a facebook link-back, I'd say that your page likes our page and then our page appears in the featured likes in the left hand column of your page. Does that make sense?

TBH, I don't think it's really reward enough for Bub Hub. This site is a business and has a huge database of potential customers which has taken a lot of hard work. You charge businesses all over the place to advertise here, I know WAHPs are on a much smaller budget, but $2, $5 a month is affordable for them and means they aren't solely profiting off your hard work.

BlissedOut

12-10-2011, 15:39

How can you prevent just anyone from making these?
An application to list/advertise your business? After approval, you get assigned a status (like the award winners) and directed to an official "make your business ticker link" or given a password to use said official WAHH ticker once your payment goes through?

Would be hectic at first but would keep fraudsters from making fake business links etc...

That's what I meant sorry, I did mention previously that they could be made like the tickers are made. It'd be nice to give people the option to make their own and have the logo added though.

Mods would have a list of people who have WAHHubber Status that they could check against too.

bubhub

12-10-2011, 15:59

babyspice

12-10-2011, 16:02

I noticed yesterday after my first shout out, that page likes actually do count towards your likes. Thats what shout outs are for I think. To attract other business and personal likers. Sort of a "word of mouth" thing.

So do you think we could set something up?

1. A minimum post count of 300+
2. Businesses are responsible to supply their own proof of purchase by customer, simply by supplying registered/express post or a signed receipt.
3. A disclaimer that BH is mnot responsible for business transactions gone sour.
4. Categorize businesses by their services ie. professional, trades, handmade etc.
5. The forum/directory can be visible for outsiders of BubHub as this will just increase exposure?
6. Allow Facebook pages.
7. Perhaps a fee to get rid of fraudsters, like perhaps $5p/month?
8. Have 1 admin or more be responsible for this new WAHM section, or have 1 admin for each category?
9......

Does anyone want to add or change anything in this list? Please make suggestions if you have any, so we can make this work :D

^^^^^ :)

Misschief

12-10-2011, 16:09

TBH, I don't think it's really reward enough for Bub Hub. This site is a business and has a huge database of potential customers which has taken a lot of hard work. You charge businesses all over the place to advertise here, I know WAHPs are on a much smaller budget, but $2, $5 a month is affordable for them and means they aren't solely profiting off your hard work.

Also it isn't guaranteed that the BubHub page is featured as a "like" on your page if you like more than 5 businesses. Its a random thing.
People would have to click on "see all" to find it.

Also, with the WAHhubbers Directory. Are you envisaging that in the forum or as a separate directory outside the forum?

IMO I think the forum is the busiest place and will attract more potential customers for the WAHP's.

bubhub

12-10-2011, 16:14

You can guarantee which 5 pages appear on your fb page. If you go to Edit Page > Featured > Edit Featured Likes you can 'tick' any pages that you particularly want to appear on the front of your FB page. If you only tick 5 to be featured, those 5 will always appear. If you tick more than 5 to be featured, FB will randomly scroll through those.

Misschief

12-10-2011, 16:19

Ahhhh I wasn't aware of that. I'll go check it out right now.

bubhub

12-10-2011, 16:22

We should definitely have a 'tips & tricks' type area for members to discuss things like Facebook. I've learnt lots over the past few months and can share.

Misschief

12-10-2011, 16:44

Whereas I only just started a week ago lol. I could definitely do with some tips. Perhaps we can make a poll of where the new WAHP section will be located, within the forum or an outside directory?

BlissedOut

12-10-2011, 16:56

Also, with the WAHhubbers Directory. Are you envisaging that in the forum or as a separate directory outside the forum?

Have it as a sub-forum, full of stickys for each category, in each thread the WAHHubber posts a blurb and an image relevant to their business, as people don't renew their 'membership' they have their post removed from the thread to keep it current.

The forum gets the best traffic.

We should definitely have a 'tips & tricks' type area for members to discuss things like Facebook. I've learnt lots over the past few months and can share.

Sounds like a great sticky!

Atlantic Puffin

12-10-2011, 17:49

In terms of signatures, what we could do is have a special template for approved WAHhubbers where they can include a link to their business together with, say, a WAHhubber 'logo'.

That would distinguish the signature from a normal signature. If we just allow business links in normal signatures, the mods will have a hell of a time editting signatures of less scrupulous members who think it's ok to start adding links because they've seen links in other signatures.

I really really really really like this idea because it won't flood the hub (new posts) section with people going "hey I have this and this and this and this week it's 27.6% off all red colored shirts" haha etc etc...

But if people are interested in having a look what a particular hubber can make/do/sell... Then you can click on it without it being so "in your face" kinda thing...

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Chocolate All Gone Now

12-10-2011, 17:52

Oh BlissedOut you & I both don't need our addictions helped ;)

Sounds like a great plan :)
I want to join once I have mine up & running :D

Atlantic Puffin

12-10-2011, 17:58

We might have an Ambassador, or two, appointed to run the section rather than putting more work on the mods. If actions need to be taken, they can always be reported to our admin team or a mod to carry out, perhaps. But certainly, a couple of people 'responsible' for the section.

Also, with the WAHhubbers Directory. Are you envisaging that in the forum or as a separate directory outside the forum?

If you were to go down the road of doing sig links where people can apply and someone needs to check out its not dodgy rodger selling fake fendis out of the trunk of his car, I would be happy to get involved in helping to get it going. :)

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BlissedOut

12-10-2011, 18:36

Oh BlissedOut you & I both don't need our addictions helped ;)

I am on a spending ban (aside from the things I have on order) until a certain market collaboration that's right up my alley.

Chocolate All Gone Now

12-10-2011, 21:47

I am on a spending ban (aside from the things I have on order) until a certain market collaboration that's right up my alley.

I was buying & having delivered else where... But I've decided to sell before I buy... Besides I have to pay off Christmas... Darn Harry Potter Lego...

BlissedOut

12-10-2011, 22:11

I was buying & having delivered else where... But I've decided to sell before I buy... Besides I have to pay off Christmas... Darn Harry Potter Lego...

I've been on a UK Duplo shopping spree, my poor bank account.

Misschief

12-10-2011, 22:37

The only thing with the signature is that it might not get noticed. I know myself, I hardly ever look at signatures.
The special WAHP section would be great for people who are looking for something in particular.

I don't think it should be that we all can post things like sales at random.
If you decide to split the directory up into sections for different businesses, you can add stickies to each section for sales and offers.

Like the tradies sector could have a sales thread as a sticky and people can put their sales and offers in there. For example: "10% Off pest management this month"

Also, Im more than happy to help out setting this up. I started this thread as I know there are many lovely WAHP's on here that can do with a bit of extra publicity. If I can help in any kind of way, just let me know :)

Misschief

12-10-2011, 22:39

I've been on a UK Duplo shopping spree, my poor bank account.

I've been on a sock shopping spree in the US and the UK lol. Yet unfortunately I wont ever get to wear them. They're all going to be cut up and turned into little critters hehe.
But those socks are quite exxy $7,- a pair, plus post.

BlissedOut

12-10-2011, 23:05

I've been on a sock shopping spree in the US and the UK lol. Yet unfortunately I wont ever get to wear them. They're all going to be cut up and turned into little critters hehe.
But those socks are quite exxy $7,- a pair, plus post.

UK postage is a fraction of US postage ;)

Have you looked on dhgate.com to buy in bulk?

Misschief

12-10-2011, 23:29

Yeah I did. Its mainly China cheap stuff. Also a lot of them have anti slip soles, so I cant use them either. I need socks that are printed all over. From the tip of the toe upto the leg elastic. Like stripes, dots or argyle types of socks. Oh and I need kneehigh socks mainly. People prefer the long goofy monkeys over the smaller ones.

I did find some shops on ebay and have purchased a few that way. I haven't tried these ones yet, so I only buy a few. If they are a loose weave, it will ruin my bobbin.

Mind you, I have been waiting on an order from the UK for 3 weeks now. I think I'll have to shoot them a message as Im running low on socks :(

For anyone wanting to make sock critters, please note:

Australia is THE most boring country when it comes to socks!

Misschief

13-10-2011, 09:42

Now that we have got all these ideas and suggestions, whats going to be the next step??

bubhub

13-10-2011, 10:07

Now that we have got all these ideas and suggestions, whats going to be the next step??

I need to look at the different software add-on options available for vbulletin. There are loads of different clever add-ons that people have designed, so I'll need to go through those and see which is the best to deal effectively with all our requirements.

If there's nothing absolutely perfect, I might need to come back with questions to see what we might need to change from the community preferences above.

And then I can start building a test area - we can all look at that, review it, change it as required - and then we can get it all up and running.

If you can give me a week or so to look at the software options and then I'll report back.

In the meantime, you can all spread the word to your wahhubber mates and they can start preparing their stores / facebook pages / ebay stores / websites / blogs as required.

Misschief

13-10-2011, 12:36

Can I post a thread on the general chat section? There will be plenty of WAHP'ers there.

bubhub

13-10-2011, 12:47

Can I post a thread on the general chat section? There will be plenty of WAHP'ers there.

Absolutely - the more the merrier

travelbugtoo

13-10-2011, 15:20

I love the idea of a directory but can't give you much incite as I don't do anything or make anything that I can sell. The extent of my money making ability is taking the kids pre-loved clothes to the markets to sell.

Having said that I'm sure I would be on there all of the time trying to track someone down who is creative or a professional.

Oh yeah - I tried to pot a reply with quote on the "tips and tricks" for facebook.
Please please do start a hints and tips section - I know there are lots of things I could learn