I quit!

[krystallxx]

I give up on this whole Bedtime/sleeping thru the night thing .. It's crap! It's never going to happen! We are nearing 3years of age and I feel like I have tries everything 10billion times and still no more sleep. We had 4 great weeks, only 2 or so wakes each a night, I was over the moon with that. It seems like we have gone back 3years now. Once the boys hit 6ishmonth they could go to sleep alone but would wake several times (10+ each child, every night!) it slowed up around 2 and now I feel like I have my newborn twins back ...
Won't self settle, won't even stay still long enough to go to sleep, won't stay asleep etc etc. Last night was a 6hr effort, in the end I left them
And went to bed (2am) .. They were still wide awake. Somedays they have an arvo nap, those nights are worse. Surely 4-5hours of solid sleep in a 24hr period isn't enough ?
F it I say ! I'm over it, I'm sick to death of trying!! Tonight it's been 2hrs and I'm going to bed! They can't hurt themselves anywhere, not that they leave their room. They have made such a mess they probs can't get to the door lol.

Vent over .. Going back to listening to them jump up and down.

[the girls mum]

Hugs. I had a 3 hour battle tonight. Dd is nearly 3. X

[faroutbrusselsprout]

Couldn't read and not reply. So sorry. ((((hugs)))).
Are you in melbs? Have you ever thought of going to sleep school? I went with DS2 when he was 13mths to tweedle and loooooooloved it. It worked so well for us.

[krystallxx]

Thanks !
Aww MM it sucks ! I'm usually pretty cool with it, I'm used to it but Had a rough few days and I'm really over it tonight lol.

I've been to 2 sleep schools .. Tweedle and QEC inmelb. .. No good lol

[jennibear]

Boy you sound like your struggling...I cant imagine. Have you tried calling a sleep school, it might be a good idea.

And my 2 cents is...for my kids, sleep = sleep. The more they sleep during the day the better they sleep at night. DD is 2.5 and she still has a 2 hour nap in the middle of the day. Id say they are so overtired they CANT sleep. I know its hard and i dont want to sound like a know it all, but routine is EVERYTHING to me...make nap and bed time the same EVERYDAY. Do you have a bedtime routine eg, dinner, bath, play, bed. 4-5 hours of sleep is definatly not enough IMO and id say thats your first problem.

I hope things get better for you!!!

[jennibear]

Thanks !
Aww MM it sucks ! I'm usually pretty cool with it, I'm used to it but Had a rough few days and I'm really over it tonight lol.

I've been to 2 sleep schools .. Tweedle and QEC inmelb. .. No good lol

Sorry didnt see this...:hugs:

[Azurial]

Have you tried Lavender oil? Either a drop on either side of their pillows and/ or a diffuser somewhere they cant get to in their room? It may help.... but make sure if you get some its not the super market rubbish but a proper 100% therapeutic grade essential oil. Or you could sell them on ebay!!! I heard thats a new trend.

[krystallxx]

Lol I have considered eBay .. I put them on fb for sale, people were only interested if they got a refund offered lol.

Yeh we have a routine, generally same bed time, naps I've given up on now because it was such a nightmare and would always ruin the nighttime routine. You dont sound like a know all, I'm open to anything. Thank you :)

I'm allergic to lavender :| is there another oil to encourage sleep that you know of ? I did buy some sleep remedy spray $50 for a little 30ml bottle, it was crap LOL !

[Azurial]

I shall find out and get back to you.

Weird that you are allergic to lavender......!!!! Your strange :p

[krystallxx]

Thanks ...

Yes yes I am very strange lol

[Turk EnJayDee]

Krystalxx - I had massive problems with my 1 year old DD, so in no way the same as your problem, however, there is a natural thing you can get at the chemist which helps calm restless babies/children and make it easier for them to go to sleep.

There is one called Infants Friend, and also one called Children's Sleep by Bauer. All chemists should have them.

Failing that, not to sound like a know it all, do you get up to them when they wake up? Maybe ignoring them, turning off the monitor and closing your bedroom door could help. But if they share a room that could be a problem as they would feed off each other.

Hope you get some relief soon!

[Me&MrMagoo]

You could try giving them camomile tea about an hour before bed ... Sweetened with honey ...

My other thought was, do you have the space for them to have their own room?? Maybe their energies are feeding off each other and they end up winding the other up.?


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[Frangi]

I agree with m&mrmagoo I would separate them if possible or threaten to separate them at night and see if that works? They sound like they are stirring each other up.
Also def try one of the natural remedies suggested or rescue remedy by Bach flower remedies.

[krystallxx]

I have separated them but they sit their screaming for the other one and generally get quite upset (which is very cute lol). They have been apart and it hasn't changed much. No they don't jump around etc but they will lay in the bed screaming at me, screaming for their brother etc. Im running out of options quickly lol.

Thanks I'll get to the chemist today :)

Thanks for all your replies!

[Roopee]

Vallium? Just kidding.

Maybe try a baby gate across their doorway. Put them in their beds at 7.30 or whatever time, after a bath, quiet tv time/story etc, tell them it's bed time now, and off you go.
If they are not distressed, i'd just leave them, they might get th eidea soon enough?
I'd also take all toys and stimuli out of their room so it's pretty 'boring' if that makes sense?
You poor thing, that sounds like hell.

[Ladybugz]

:( yoi poor thing! My little one is only one but when she is restless I rub some of the baby bslam by Vicks onto her chest and that works a treat, there is also one called euky bear rub or something but you would have to check if there is lavender in it. bed times can be struggle time, my mum still hhas trouble with my 7 year old sister!
Hope something works for you soon,
((hugs))

•*•*DD 11-5-2o1o•*•*

[duckduckgoose]

That sucks - my 6 mo often isn't in bed till 11 so I hate to imagine when he's 2

You've probably tried everything under the sun but how about outright bribery, ah I mean rewards charts, etc?

And how about letting them watch a movie in bed if they promise to go to sleep after? If they run amok after the movie then no movie the next night?

[AllYouNeedIsLove]

I'm not sure how expensive they are but what about a sleep consultant that comes to your house, at least there would be two of you to tackle the two of them with whatever they suggest!

[krystallxx]

I take everything out the room, they pull the beds apart !! They are so destructive! LOL
I only just put the Teddy bin and books back in there so they can destroy that instead of their beds

They go to bed with movie and it goes off if they muck up or when it's finished.

They don't come out of the bedroom, they like to stay in there and destroy it (play in there terms).'

Valium sounds good .. We have tried phenergan and vallergan which both made their behavior much worse and also resulted in nightmares lol

I can't win .. But i do appreciate all your suggestions !

I might look into a sleep person. I used to see one at the hospital but she kinda gave up and run out of ideas so i stopped going. Do you know where I find one?

[krystallxx]

I've done bribing, rewards, taking things off them etc .. They don't care! I never give in to anything i threaten, always follow thru etc but they couldn't careless.

I might try the vicks. Eukey bear stuff brings on an asthma attack for H so that's no good lol.

[the girls mum]

Big hugs Krystallxx - My otherwise good sleeper has gone haywire, seemingly right as I got pregnant which sucks sooo bad as I am sooo tired and cranky if I dont get to bed at a decent hour.

Last night I tried reward chart - big fat fail - she finally gave in at 10.30pm and I gotta tell you it was hard for me to keep my cool :freakingout:

I am going to get some sparkly stickers tonight to try to entice her more - needless to say she didnt get her stickers this morning. She understands the concept - she is just being stubborn.

I am at my wits end - I will try the reward chart for a week but if at the end of this week it is not working, well as much as some people are going to think I am monster mum I will be doing the bed time thing - daddy stories and cuddles, mummy stories and cuddles, tuck ins, quiet chat and song (spend 20-30 mins with her) and then once I am out that door - thats that - I dont care if it takes 3 hours she needs to learn once daddy and I are out and all her needs have been met bedtime is NOT playtime, call back in time, muck around time! It might be a week of hell but I am over it.

I really hope you find something that works for you very very very soon you poor thing xxx

[shockinamillion]

Twins, Gah. One of mine does this then wakes the other. Then they both start. Have you thought about putting the instigator to bed first.
I am really scared of the bedtime battles to come

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[SalsaMama]

No advice really but :hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:

It sound hard enough with one, let alone twins.

We tried a sleep consultant and couldn't recommend her enough. We're in Perth though.

[krystallxx]

Aww MM I hope something works! I'm pretty tough i like to think. I can ignore the screaming and tantrums etc I do it all day lol hahaha.

They actually don't wake each other up, if one is asleep or wants to sleep he will while the other one is feral. They are both the instigator LoL! I think it's payback for being a horrible child haha.

Definitely look into a sleep consultant.

[rainbow123]

Just a thought, but have you tried altering their diet? I've read about mothers totally eliminating sugar, preservatives, all that stuff and going totally natural and kids seem to settle down a fair bit. My bubs is still too young for all the bad stuff but her dad reacts really badly to red food colouring, so I already know she'll be kept well away from it just in case! He goes hypo, like he has ADD. Not risking it!! :)

[SuperGranny]

hi, I was just going to suggest taking a good look at their diet. I dont know anything about Fail safe or any other, but I know some people who have had wonderful success. I would think they are not getting enough sleep. How is their behaviour through the day, are they peaceful relaxed or are they full on 100% of the time. ?? I hope you can find some answers, I feel sorry for you. :hugs: Marie.

[krystallxx]

Thank you. Were on fail safe strict diet and have been for a while lol. They are full on 100% all day everyday!

[OurLittleBlessing]

Hi krystall,

It really sounds like you have tried everything! You must be exhausted.

I wish I had a suggestion for you.

Good luck!

[krystallxx]

Thank you :)

I feel like people don't believe me alot of the time because I've really tried it all lol.

[confusd]

DD is a good sleeper but she is full on from the time she get up till the time i put her into bed. Sometimes its hard when she is still full of energy to get her to calm down and sleep.
I got this lady beetle that shines stars and the moon on the roof and they change colours. Even when DD is still going hypo if i stick her in her bedroom and turn te stars on she shuts up and just lays there going :eek: then falls asleep.

Would something like that work for your boys?

[Monster & Boof]

Krystal I hear ya!!! I only have 1 that plays up and can only imagine it's even more full on for you with the 2 playing up! Hunter is terrible at bed time I have just taken his bottle and it's seriously like weaning a drug addict with withdrawals... If I don't get hunter to bed when I see his tired signs I don't have a chance at getting him to bed until at least 11. We used to have a bed time routine but I don't know what happened to it! I got told by my health nurse 2 different approaches first one is silently going in there no eye contact and no words (except "go to sleep") picking him up and putting him back to bed every 5 minutes. 2nd option close their door let them go crazy until they realize night time is for sleeping. They can't hurt themselves in their room (only each other) every hour or so go in tell them to go to bed and walk bak out close their door. You could maybe try a reward system?? I'm no help hunter doesnt go to bed and he wakes up and comes into mine EVERY night! But you are not alone xx

[krystallxx]

Thanks Confusd :)

Yeh done all that too meg, they just not catching on to the whole sleep thing. Gosh I feel for you too! It sucks!

[Turk EnJayDee]

Krystallxx- I think you need a copy of "go the f%^* to sleep" and a Noni Hazelhurst to read it.

[krystallxx]

Krystallxx- I think you need a copy of "go the f%^* to sleep" and a Noni Hazelhurst to read it.

Bahaha I love that video!

[selflessparenting]

Krystallxx I need some more information but if you PM me I can help you.

[growingbelly]

Did you say they have a movie before bed??? I am sure I read somewhere that tv before bed is a bad idea cause it over stimulates them. Have you tried no TV just quiet play or reading for an hour or so before bed? Other than that I have no ideas, sounds like you have tried it all.

[monnie24]

Enrol them in some kind of junior sport HAHAHA! Get them running around... and you run with the pram:laughing:

you poor thing:hugs:

[krystallxx]

Yeh quite time would be good if they would stay still for more then 2seconds literally.

I tried the park but after 10minutes they over it, they hate walking for too far and they don't burn any energy sitting in the pram for a walk


Bahhhh I think I'll crawl in a hole lol

[newmummaofbub]

My DD is nearly 2.5 and we have recently had some bedtime silliness... Anyway we are trying a reward systemnof sorts. Glow in the dark stars for her roof. She gets one each time she goes to bed without a fuss. She loves to look at them at night and when she gets 10 we're gonna go pick a new toy together. It's a work in progress but going ok so far? 2 nightsin a row she has styed in bed and gone to sleep quietly. Just another idea! Although your guys sound more full on than DD!

[krystallxx]

Lol thanks for that idea. We used to have glow in the dark stickers and the pulled them all off the wall ! :(
As they do with anything I put on the walls .. Plain feral! I discipline but they don't care and honestly tried hard case and softy approach, no good with either.