Loads of info on circ

[AM]

Begin here (FAQ's, etc)
http://www.cirp.org/pages/parents/

It's a BOY!
http://www.circumstitions.com/Itsaboy.html

The Case Against Circumcision
http://www.mothering.com/articles/new_baby/circumcision/against-circumcision.html


Circumcision: Human Rights Issue?
http://www.sentienttimes.com/03/dec_jan_03/circumcisionT.html

Not just "A Snip!"
http://www.noharmm.org/snip.htm

Typical Procedure (Turn sound on for video clips)
http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/methods.html
http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/
http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Circ.html

Medical Communities
http://www.cirp.org/library/statements/
http://www.intact.ca/saskmemo.html

General Info

http://www.circumcision.org/info.htm
http://www.noharmm.org/separated.htm
http://www.udonet.com/circumcision/ilearned.html
http://www.cirp.org/library/general/

Risks and Complications
http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/compl-rr.htm
http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/complications.html
http://www.infocirc.org/fourn.htm

Pain
http://www.circumcision.org/response.htm
http://www.infocirc.org/babypain.htm
http://www.cirp.org/library/pain/

Sexual Dysfunction
http://www.boystoo.com/medical/conversion.htm
http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/
http://www.norm.org/lost.html

UTI's
http://www.infocirc.org/uti2.htm
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/UTI/

Breastfeeding and Maternal Bonding
http://www.cirp.org/library/birth/

Cancer
http://www.cirp.org/library/statements/letters/1996-02_ACS/
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/cancer/

Personal Experiences
http://www.stopcirc.com/
http://www.circumcision.org/mothers.htm
http://www.udonet.com/circumcision/chose_to_circ.html

Intact vs Circed Penis Care
http://www.nocirc.org/publish/4pam.pdf
http://www.nocirc.org/publish/5pam.pdf
http://www.tornwing.com/peacefulbeginnings/caringforyourbabysgenitals.htm
http://www.cirp.org/library/normal/

Hygiene & Problems
http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/vanhowe/

News Articles
http://www.cirp.org/news/

Cute Article
http://www.geocities.com/raisingintactsons/

Adult Circumcision ("His Penis, His Choice")
http://www.circumcisioncenter.com/
http://www.nocircoftx.org/info/vs.html

Foreskin Restoration
http://www.norm.org

[Milly]

Fantastic links for those in the midst of considering it. Here is another link that I think is great and has an Australian point of view. It is a great site with loads of info:

http://www.circinfo.org

[drbenroth]

if you only read one source against circumcision, let it be this one.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/wreckingboy/318545.html

It is long, but it really does sum it all up.

it is written by a circumcised american man who cannot lie to himself that he is better off for having it done.

of course anyone who is considering this should read a "pro " source also, and as soon as I find a logical one, i will post it.

[J281090]

There are no "Pro's" to getting it done.

[JanetF]

Take home the whole baby, I say. Amazing links, Angie! :eek:

[Briannabear]

Here's some more info for those investigating circ.

http://www.circlist.com/considering/consider.html

http://www.male-initiation.net/debate.html

http://www.childrenshospitals.net/Template.cfm?Section=Home&CONTENTID=17259&TEMPLATE=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm

[J281090]

There is not only one Dr Death in Queensland I see. It seems the whole Queensland health system is questionable.

[ThomasMum]

Looking for trouble yeah, J281090?

Tsk tsk tsk...

[talon]

I found this one when hunting around on the web a few months back. Takes a pretty neutral stance and looks at pros and cons...

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Circumcision?OpenDocument

This one goes into the surgical procedure, complications that can occur etc.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Circumcision_surgical_procedures?OpenDocument

[J281090]

Looking for trouble yeah, J281090?

Tsk tsk tsk...

Scared that I might give it, 'ThomasMum'?

Tsk tsk tsk...

I certainly hope that your son's ok, it would make me sad to think that a beautiful Australian child may be... *Interfered with*.

[mollyandkurtsmum]

j281090 Im totally against circumcision as well. But in this world there are 2 ways to portray things. One is to state your point intelligently and factually therefore making people rethink already estalished ideas and beleifs . The other is by throwing wild statements into the mix that are not only offensive to ALL but make the listeners beleive that the speaker is an absolute Moron and therefore his stance must be as well. WHERE do you think your fitting in with these comments?????

[J281090]

Sorry, i just don't find it easy to show compassion to those who show none to little babies.

People who condone it, don't seem to me, to be the kind of people who understand anything besides violence and horror, as they don't seem to mind attacking such sweet things of innocence, with such a horrible procedure. This topic, above all else, causes me to become emotional.

I suppose you can't blame them for being uneducated, misinformed or for misinterpreting something, but i squirm at every instance where someone mentions that their child has had such a horrible thing done to them, and to think that there are avenues for having such a thing done for these ill-informed parents, is the most shocking bit.

There will always be people who will pick up a loaded gun and start shooting people. You just dont give them the option to have a gun in the first place.

You enforce the notion of educating people about gun safety. I enforce the notion of not allowing guns at all.

[AM]

My intention when starting this thread was simply to provide information to people who may be researching the topic, please lets not turn it into a series of attacks on one another....

[talon]

and on that note... here are some more...

http://familydoctor.org/042.xml

(url deleted by admin) (has a section of personal testimonials from adults who have been circumcised, media articles etc etc - although i must say that it seems to provide more of a pro-circ stance then a neutral stance)

Circumcision for phimosis and other medical indications in Western Australian boys (article 2003)

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/178_11_020603/matters_arising_020603-4.html

This one is a program on Catalyst a while back (ABC program) - provides both points of view in a discussion forum

http://www.abc.gov.au/catalyst/stories/s586954.htm

[nemosmum]

For those wanting only factual information, www.circumcision.com.au provides it all through a single website!

Thankyou Dr that was most informative.

To J281090 all I have to say is please dont PM me again,
If you have a comment on what I posted about my experience with circumcision please do it on the actual thread. I do not appreciate getting nasty little private messages. I posted my story to let people (who are actually thinking about getting it done) know what it was like for our family and our DS. Not for people to condem me as a parent and make personal attacks. Thankyou.

[talon]

orlandosmum - it is a shame to think that you would be condemned by another member for sharing your experience with circs. it is beyond me how anyone could think it justified to have a go at you for providing that information for other members to use as an information source. IMO personal experience is highly valued and don't be deterred by it. if it continues i suggest reporting it. everyone has a right to present their opinion but not to the point of harassment.

[ThomasMum]

Scared that I might give it, 'ThomasMum'?

Tsk tsk tsk...

I certainly hope that your son's ok, it would make me sad to think that a beautiful Australian child may be... *Interfered with*.

Hey thats cool.

My son is more than OK ta very much :)

[WeThree]

j281090, you are exactly the type of person that we do NOT want on bubhub, nastiness, either from people for or against a topic is not on and whats the go with pming o's mum and harassing her? she shared what was obviously a traumatic experience for her with us to help others and to recieve support, not so some sicko like you can start stalking her, can we see about getting this person blocked?

[Chickadee]

... can we see about getting this person blocked?

Any member who finds a post or private message offensive or abusive can forward it to the site administrator (Hilary) to evaluate and take action if necessary. Guidelines for the use of the forums and private messages are here (http://www.bubhub.com.au/communityterms.shtml) .

[Milly]

J281090 I do not believe in circumcision either. Where exactly are you wanting to take this thread? Did you actually read the links by Apprenticemomma, Dr Ben Roth (and even the one I posted)? You would find that they are not what you think they are, yet you are attacking them. Also, harrassing another member is not appropriate. How will that help your cause?

I believe in a child's right to genital intergrity. Any boys of mine will remain intact. This thread was simply started to inform those who are actually considering it that there are two sides to anything and that such a procedure should be thoroughly investigated. It is most certainly not something you go into uninformed and that was why such links were posted, To assist in those who are considering this procedure. Personally I do not believe in it, so I will post a link that is helpful in presenting such a point of view.

[nemosmum]

The message in question wasnt abusive just a bit nasty ie demanding the doctors name that circumcised my son and telling me how disgusting it was etc etc. I decided not to report this PM to the administrator as I am aware that J281090 is very new to this forum and as such may be unaware that this is inappropriate. Instead I decided to post a reply on the thread so the person understands I dont appreciate such PM's, also I figure everyone deserves a second chance so if you read this J281090 theres no hard feelings but pls no PMs Okay. Thanks

P.S thanks to all of you out there that are understanding and supportive even if you dont always agree with what people have to say
P.S.S thanks for the suppotive comments and sticking up for me personally girls :)

[J281090]

Oh please! I doubt that you would all come down so hard on me if i had been in favour of circumcision. Don't ask me to digress, it'll never happen. I stand as firm as ever, against this horrible procedure, and no way you can reprimand me online (ie, banning or what ever) will ever change that. So get over it, i shall never change.

That fact that there are still instances occurring out there, are evidence enough that your supposed "niceness" doesn't work.

I don't know if there is some etiquette on this forum which makes me appear to be Looney, or what ever it is that makes me appear out of place.. But rest assured, i have always been like this since 2002, and always will be. Call me a militant if you like.

[Briannabear]

Nobodys saying you're not entitled to your opinion, however this forum is designed for support and information - not criticism.

[J281090]

oh ok then.

[WeThree]

Well said Briannabear, everyone is allowed to share their opinion, bubhub would be a very boring place if we didnt, but just try and do it without being so horrible about it

[mummycloud]

But rest assured, i have always been like this since 2002, and always will be. Call me a militant if you like.

I'm wondering what happened in 2002 to make you turn into such an opiniated, insensative a$$?


I know we aren't supposed to slam and you guys have been so patient and nice to this person even after we have basically been accused of being psychopathic child abusers who circumsise our kids for the love of blood and violence.

I regret having my son done. I feel like I abused him. No wonder I feel so much guilt, when people like this idiot make comments like they do.
Good thing I don't have PND this time around, if I did I'd probably kill myself after reading this morons crap. :mad:

Some threads should be removed.

[cosmic]

I'm wondering what happened in 2002 to make you turn into such an opiniated, insensative a$$?


Mummycloud, I asked the same question and funnily enough, got no reply! If it's not insults, there's nothing to say apparently. That statement has obviously been posted so that someone will ask... which just seems like attention-seeking to me.

Anyhoo.. we haven't heard from our friend in a while and hopefully we won't hear from her again. Though I'm sure she reads and still feels a little satisfaction that she's the topic of any conversation at all...

[mummycloud]

Ahhhh...bugger, now she's getting more satisfaction :rolleyes:
Well..if she's reading this... I am still coming to terms with what I have done, it's MY issue, don't feel like you have anything to do with my feelings of guilt, I don't really give a crap about your opinion and never asked for it!

[J281090]

Anyhoo.. we haven't heard from our friend in a while and hopefully we won't hear from her again. Though I'm sure she reads and still feels a little satisfaction that she's the topic of any conversation at all...

Why do you assume that I am a she?

[nemosmum]

Male, female who really cares :rolleyes:

[cosmic]

Why do you assume that I am a she?

Because I thought I read in one of your earlier posts a reference to a husband. Must have been my mistake. Either way I don't care, anyone's opinion is welcome... vicious personal attacks still aren't.

[J281090]

You assumed because I was a female, that you could "sit" on me? That isn't very nice, or very lady like.

I haven't launched a personal attack on anyone actually.

[razzle]

Righty-o then.

Enough's enough... I'm shutting this down.