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WorkingClassMum
25-06-2011, 15:33
Link (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8265340/baby-died-from-morphine-in-breast-milk)
6wk Baby died from morphine in breast milk
US authorities say an infant girl died from a lethal dose of morphine that was in her mother's breast milk.
The mother, 37-year-old Stephanie Greene, was charged on Friday with homicide by child abuse.
Investigators say Greene's six-week-old daughter, Alexis, was found dead in her parents' bed in November 2010.
Autopsy results showed high levels of morphine in the child's blood. Authorities say the painkiller got into Greene's breast milk after she took pills and used patches containing morphine constantly since the baby's birth.
Investigators say she illegally obtained the drugs at least 38 times in less than two years.
Greene was awaiting a bond hearing. Her husband refused to speak with an Associated Press reporter or give her attorney's name when reached by phone.
Heartbreaking for all involved. My thoughts are with both parents, particularly the mother :( R.I.P Angel Baby.
MummyHas3boys
25-06-2011, 16:06
:( that's so so sad.
RIP baby xxxx
trishalishous
25-06-2011, 17:31
poor little one, and how horrible for the mother, to not be able to fight the addiction :(
2darlingboys
25-06-2011, 17:32
Heartbreaking. RIP little one.
Horrible that the mother couldn't stop her addiction for the sake of her bub!
Silly question, isn't morphine used as a pain relief in labour? Or was cause this is high amount?
Lemonhead
25-06-2011, 20:03
Poor little baby. I can't feel sorry for the mother TBH though I don't totally blame her for what happened, she would have known that drugs etc are passed through BM? :confused:
Hopefully the baby wasn't in any pain RIP.
poor little baby and the mum, how awful to live the rest of your life knowing that you killed your own child. how heartbreaking.
Chunkydunks
25-06-2011, 20:15
Heartbreaking. RIP little one.
Horrible that the mother couldn't stop her addiction for the sake of her bub!
Silly question, isn't morphine used as a pain relief in labour? Or was cause this is high amount?
The patches contain massive amounts of morphine. They're designed to work over 3 days. There are also ways to speed up the release of the drug (which ever it might be because there are two different types) into the body.
Morphine is used post op and is given after a c-section but during labour it's more likely to be pethadine which is slightly different. The amounts give post c-section aren't enough to pass through the milk with any effect on bub so that's saying the amount that was in her system was very high.
RIP little one :(
Heartbreaking. RIP little one.
Horrible that the mother couldn't stop her addiction for the sake of her bub!
Silly question, isn't morphine used as a pain relief in labour? Or was cause this is high amount? Pethidine as far as I am aware, which is very similar to morphine. I know nothing about dosages and never really considered this before now, but couldn't a mother choosing pethidine for pain relief in labour (which also crosses into the placenta btw) then breastfeeding her child, be doing a similar thing to this mum...
Disgusting. Some people do not deserve to have children.
WorkingClassMum
25-06-2011, 20:38
Disgusting. Some people do not deserve to have children.
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Seriously?
kittykawaii
25-06-2011, 20:38
Why didn't she use donated milk or formula? Even formula is better than killing your own baby.
WorkingClassMum
25-06-2011, 20:40
Why didn't she use donated milk or formula? Even formula is better than killing your own baby.
I don't think she intended to kill her baby - she's an addict and she's in pain
She was trying to do the best for her child - co-sleeping and breastfeeding
kittykawaii
25-06-2011, 20:43
But she had to know that any drugs or medication she was taking would end up in her breastmilk?
Sorry i'm just trying to get my head around it.
Seriously. You think its okay to give your baby milk containing drugs that can kill? If you cannot look after a child then of course you don't deserve to have one! Disgusting excuse for a human being, let alone a mother.
WorkingClassMum
25-06-2011, 20:50
But she had to know that any drugs or medication she was taking would end up in her breastmilk?
Sorry i'm just trying to get my head around it.
Unfortunately there's not much info in the article as to so many things like this mother's level of education, her IQ, her mental stability etc etc, and I've out it up more as a info. thing than a condemnation of a sick person
So many people do NOT know what passes through BM - I never knew that my babies intolerences where affected by MY consumption of trigger foods and I am generally fairly well read and by the time I was educated it was too late for me to save bfeeding with DD
zombiekitty
25-06-2011, 20:51
Seriously. You think its okay to give your baby milk containing drugs that can kill? If you cannot look after a child then of course you don't deserve to have one! Disgusting excuse for a human being, let alone a mother.
I'm speechless!
WorkingClassMum
25-06-2011, 20:51
Seriously. You think its okay to give your baby milk containing drugs that can kill? If you cannot look after a child then of course you don't deserve to have one! Disgusting excuse for a human being, let alone a mother.
:rolleyes: I didn't say it was okay, I just manage to see the big picture and have a little compassion and allowences for things like illness, you know have an open mind kind of thing...
Me&MrMagoo
25-06-2011, 20:52
She may not have known it would pass through her milk ... Before I got pregnant I didn't know it could, until I did some research ...
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Me&MrMagoo
25-06-2011, 20:53
Seriously. You think its okay to give your baby milk containing drugs that can kill? If you cannot look after a child then of course you don't deserve to have one! Disgusting excuse for a human being, let alone a mother.
Ok then ... !!!!!
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Me&MrMagoo
25-06-2011, 20:53
:rolleyes: I didn't say it was okay, I just manage to see the big picture and have a little compassion and allowences for things like illness, you know have an open mind kind of thing...
aaah thank you ...
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Funnily enough I'm not open to drugging a baby. Crazy, I know. I also had an issue with the woman putting methadone in her kids bottle.. gee, how closed minded! The fact she kept herself drugged around her child is one thing, the fact that she could have given the baby a bottle and not murdered it makes me sick to my stomach!
People can get help for their illness, and often do if they give a cra* about those around them. Because of this woman's selfish actions her baby is dead. Its really that simple.
Chunkydunks
25-06-2011, 21:14
Sometimes people simply aren't aware of what is passed through the milk. Sometimes they're not aware that they are doing harm to their child. THAT is what WCM means by keeping an open mind.
How sad for all involved.
I hope the bubba felt no pain and I hope the mum gets some help for her addiction. What an awfult hing to have to live with
Lemonhead
25-06-2011, 22:34
Seriously. You think its okay to give your baby milk containing drugs that can kill? If you cannot look after a child then of course you don't deserve to have one! Disgusting excuse for a human being, let alone a mother.
Its so hard isnt it, to read something like this and not get completely and utterly angry and throw blame around. I know, because when I made my first post in this thread what I really wanted to say was "she needs a bullet" which is my solution for child/baby killers. But then when I went away and thought about it, and remembered that my OWN mother was high as a kite most of my childhood on heroin etc I think how incredibly lucky she was that nothing like this happened to me. She was a brilliant mother, with an illness- drug addiction- and it took a good 7 years after I was born for her to take action. It doesn't mean she didn't care about me, it meant she didn't care about herself.
I totally understand your anger :yes: it makes me angry too. But I'd like to think that while there are people out there who cause harm to their babies deliberately, this woman wasn't one of them.
Boobycino
25-06-2011, 22:44
^^^ I agree. I feel passionately both sides. Part of me thinks what a monster - how hard would it have been to simply bottle fed her baby - that alone would have saved his/her life!
But then I think a mother who genuinely thought that their baby would die as a result of something like that probably wouldn't have the bond to then also breast feed. Like it doesn't *click* for me.
Maybe because I'm breast feeding right this minute I just don't see how someone could do this, when it is such a deeply nurturing act, fully aware their baby would die as a result of the act of breast feeding.
It doesn't *add up* for me.
So i'd guess (and I'm just guessing) she didn't know her addiction would kill her baby. Maybe because morphine is given to women (like myself) after a csection.
Though maybe I'm overly romantic and like to think the best in people.
It just sounds to me like a tragic accident as a result of a terrible illness. :(
Chunkydunks
25-06-2011, 22:44
well said bek
Lemonhead
25-06-2011, 22:47
I actually refused all pain medication after my cesarean. I refused the tramadol, codeine, panadol and nurofen.
Boobycino
25-06-2011, 23:08
I stopped taking any thing after Jasper had a 'sleep apnea'.
Though I wouldn't recommend it as a post csection plan. :-/ I was just feeling like it could be *anything* that caused it because the doctors told me nothing (they could find) caused it.
poor bubba, and this woman will likely go to jail where she will sober up and hafto spend a long time in hell. hell knowing what she has done, and also the hell of prison, i personally feel sorry for all involved.
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