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Can the catch ups be as late as possible? Mornings are really hard for me..
I wrote a huge post & lost it! :-(
Bourbon do you mean late morning? Or afternoon?
I'm busy on Wednesday's between 8th and 29th June as I just found out my mothers group is held then (we had our 6-8 wk CHN appt tonight).
After that I prefer any time after 11am (arvos r best) as I find it can be difficult getting organized earlier when luca is grizzly & feeding etc but I don't want to put any of you out so let me know what u all prefer.
I'm moving house the second week of June too so things are going to be a little crazy for a while until we are unpacked & settled.
I need to be home by 1230 for Scarlett's sleep and then have school pick up at 3 so afternoons don't work for me. If it's only once a month are we better off making it a weekend? I've got heaps on most days so am happy if you guys want to get together in the afternoons as it suits you and maybe we can do something occasionally that I can join in on.
Weekends work well for me as I go back to work on 23rd :-(
Elliot is inconsolable after his injections. He won't latch on to feed so I'm having to express and bottle feed. I'm so glad DH isn't on a late as we're taking it in turns to console him.
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MrsL - the wrap is called "Wrap me Up" by Love Me Baby. It's fantastic. Zoe settles straight away when going to bed at night. Didn't use it today as we were out and about and she had her sleeps in her pram or car seat. Thought she might be hard to get to sleep tonight but went straight to sleep. If you google the name of the wrap you will see pictures of it. In the reviews they say you can move baby from cot to pram to car. I can't see how as there is no gap to put the strap between their legs??? I must be missing something. One great things is that because Zoe settles herself by sucking her hands this wrap enables her to do that.
Sooz - I just hate it when they have to have their needles. I hope E settles soon. I know Zoe loves going in the shower with my DH and this always settles her. She just loves the hot water running down her and it puts her to sleep. It just breaks your heart when you see that they are so upset.:(
Sonja - so much research by so many organisations....................so hard to know what to believe:freakingout:. I think I will read all this info and take it on board but am just going to go with my gut feeling (which at the moment is thinking hot Milo and Tim Tams :laughing: - for me of course).
AFU - well Zoe again rejected her bottle this afternoon and this evening. She just wanted to be bf. She was okay with her morning bottle. I agree it's her way of being comforted and I'm just going to go with the flow. I just wish I knew what she needed comforting for. She's not upset before starting to feed her. If I only knew what was going on in her head I would change what is upsetting her. She knows what she wants and I can't see that she is making any unreasonable demands. I just feel sorry for my DH. Nights was his time and he would give her EBM before her bath, bath her and then give her a formula bottle before going to bed. He loves having her fall asleep on him before putting her to bed. Very much daddy and bubby time. Now I feel that I'm cutting into that small amount of time he has with her.:(
I went to IKEA today. Was a bit dissapointed with the kids section. Thought there would be more "stuff" for bedrooms etc. Bought a few things but just thought there would be more to tempt me.:rolleyes:
Catch ups - any day suits me be it weekday or weekend. I'll leave it up to everyone else and I'll just fit in.:D
oh dear sooz thats such a shame. have u given him some panadol?
re the catch ups even if it was a weekened we might have trouble with the morning/arvo issue and maybe trying to find a day and time that suits everyone could be an impossible task. perhaps whoever hosts it could just give the day and time that suits them and anyone who is free that day could go along??? And if we find that only half are making it each time we could always change it to fornightly. In saying that if everyone would rather have a set day to organise other things around weekends are fine for me too or a week day really. My week is pretty choccas with my sons (not mine:rolleyes:) social calendar but I don't mind missing something once a month for an IVF mums catch up.
oh also sorry if that was my date stuff up - musn't have been looking at calendar properly!
always - I also have save our sleep and found it a good guide for routines but don't really agree with everything she says. yeah I agree its prob a comfort thing with the pref for BF.
Indi is so snuffly poor little bub. had to use fess last night B4 her feeds. anyone elses bubs go snuffly on and off?
always we posted same time. :laughing: have put 2 and 2 togther for u - the peekaboo nappy hole is actually for the seat belt buckle and then you open the 2 zips in the middle to pass the top bits through to click in. ta for the info x
Mrs L - he threw up hs first lot of panadol so had to wait 4 hours to give the next lot. It worked a treat and this morning he has returned to his normal chirpy self.
My heart and admiration goes out to those with reflux bubs as it must ne so tough when you can't settle them.
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MrsL - How embarrasing. :o I never read instructions (as you can tell). I have a very funny story to tell when we eventually meet and it's to do with me, instructions and a forehead thermometer. My poor Zoe..................how she is ever going to make it through this world with me and my lack of reading instructions.:laughing:
Sooz - glad your little man is back to his usual chirpy self today.
Just when I need to get out the door by 10:30 today my little girl is having a monster morning nap................always the way.:rolleyes:
Sooz - hope little E is a little better after his injections, if only we could explain it to them hey
Mrs L - Piper has only been really snuffly once, when I think she had a very minor cold at around week 4..she does often seem to get lots of snot up her nose though which I get out using a tissue trick the the CHN showed us :eek:.
Always - can't say I'm a big fan of Tissy's, I think she often gives out crappy advice which goes against a mums instincts and even what experts such as the ABA say re BF'ing etc (I've seen an interview with her on BF which was truly bizarre).. and she doesn't seem to have any qualifications to back up what she's saying. A friend of mine tried to follow her 'routines' recently and gave up after three weeks and now has a much happier baby by following her cues (as much as we can read them anyway :rolleyes:). I know of women who have followed the routines and their supply has decreased leading to breast feeding problems. I suppose I just feel that each baby is so different and unique that prescribed routines in books aren't always going be helpful - but that's just my two cents :laughing:
Re catch ups...I'm flexible. Mornings are probably better re having a happy baby, but I'm not too fussed. Weekends are fine too, as others have said, weekdays can get hectic with mums groups and I have two mums groups and a playgroup and started mum/baby yoga this week so..........
AFM...got more belly laughs from Miss Piper yesteray when I was playing a repetitive game with her - heaven!!!!:hyper:
leelee -thats so gorgeous! I can't wait for the laughs :yes:
Indi had her needles yesterday :(. so, so horrible the way she cried. On the plus side tho she slept her best night ever! she must fall into the fatigue category...
Aww, poor little Indi, I think Piper fell in to the sleepy category as well at the first ones. I guess if they have any reaction, that's the best one :D
Been MIA all week. Bit of a VENT alert here, sorry. Its been a rough week...completely sleep deprived in our household. Ivy is 10 weeks old this coming Tuesday, and she still has reflux and is getting no sleep. I know 10 weeks is still very young, but I had really hoped she would be getting better by now as the paed said to expect improvement between 8-12 wks. Some days it seems to be worse, not better.
At night we are getting up about a dozen times, and most of the time she sleeps in 20min blocks and wakes up crying. During the daytime, its worse. She just doesnt sleep unless we hold her. On Friday she slept for 30 minutes between 8am and 8pm. I mean seriously, 30 minutes in 12 hours!!!! Crazy.
Not only is it awful for her, as I can see it in her face how tired she is....its taking its toll on me in a big way. Im starting to feel depressed and starting to wonder how much longer I can keep up with no sleep. I need to bite my tongue sometimes as I feel at boiling point and just want to yell at her. Obviously I dont, but geez, sometimes its all I want to do as I feel like at 2am with no sleep in sight Im losing the plot.
We are thinking about going back to Ngala to do a nightstay in a few weeks, but Im just not sure if its going to be any help if its her reflux that is the main cause. Im also getting paranoid that maybe there is something else wrong with her...how can a baby have so little sleep?!?! Its beyond me.
DH was supposed to be working today but rang in a sickie so he could stay home and help out...and mainly to give me a few hours break.
Does anyone elses bub scream just before doing a poo or fart etc?? This is also waking her up...she will scream blue murder, then do a whopping big fart. So Im starting to wonder if she has an irritable bowel or something similar. Just doesnt seem normal for it to cause her that much discomfort just by pooing or farting.
Righto, Ive got all that off my chest :rolleyes: thanks for listening. I feel better already just by having a vent!!!!!!! I love my little girl with everything that I have, but boy do I wish she would get better and have some sleep. Even 2-3hrs straight at night would be a miracle.
Bonnybaby I feel for you, I totally get where your coming from there was many a time I felt like I could yell, scream and even hit DD (obviously I never did) I think in some countries they use sleep deprivation as a form of torture. Have you tried using "infants friend" for her farty bottom? I found it worked well for DD. Perhaps her waking is more of a habit now, like a form of routine maybe? Your DD sounds so much like my DD although I'd had enough by 7wks and had the problem sorted in a week, I had to for my own sanity, I didn't really have any help from DF, I did EVERYTHING!
Hi to everyone else I hope you are all well and bubs are letting you get some sleep. Glad you all had a great catch up. Also I'm happy to have you all over to my house, I have a big home with a huge play room upstairs and a smaller one downstairs with toys to suit all the age groups :).
oh bonny u poor, poor lady! my goodness that sounds so hard. I wish there was something I could do for you. I think you definately need to head back to the paed and maybe see what you can do as you just can't keep this up. Whether they can look into the pain in her bowels or do some other testing to give you some answers. Obviously the losec is not doing the trick for the refulx so maybe there are other things to look into there.
Its awful as I think the main cure is just time but in the meantime u will go crazy with no sleep and prob feel like it will never end. I would suggest maybe doing what I did with Indi in the beginning and let her sleep in a vibrating chair all night as it definately helps to settle them back to sleep without your help when they wake. and if she did need my help I would just sit in the chair and rock it with my foot most of the time which at least meant not having to stand up. Don't even think about habits or routines etc just do whatever u have to to get through this time. I can assure you that it will pass. Its awful now but it will.
My son was quite similar and i can tell you that I did end up going in and yelling and swearing at him in his cot. On those nights my husband would quickly jump up, guide me back to bed and take over. Other nights I would just cry and cry while trying to get him back to sleep. Don't feel bad about getting angry as its anger towards the situation not at your daughter. I used to get so upset and feel constantly guilty coz I felt like I couldn't enjoy my baby because I was tired and because it was all so hard. I would definately suggest seeing a councillor or someone as well as when your tired your emotions can get the better of you and it can help to sort through it all with someone. I also think being IVF mothers we can feel guilty getting upset or mad at our babies because it doesn't correlate with our feelings of wanting them so desperately.
Nobody can prepare you for a bub that is so hard to settle. Just remember you're a fantastic mother and you're doing the very best job you can in a hard situation. Please let me know if there is something I can do to help. Even catching up for a coffee and chat or anything x
Oh Bonny it sounds like you're doing it tough. Surviving on so little sleep does make everything difficult.
You are a wonderful mum who loves her daughter very much. Things will get easier.
A woman in my mother's group took her baby to a chiropractor to help with trapped wind and swears that the change in her son was immense - he no longer screams in pain and can sleep for several hours at a time. I've also used infants friend to help E with trapped wind and it did bring him relief.
Also let me know if I can help at all - maybe take Ivy out for a walk whist you get some sleep.
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Bonny - you poor darling. Don't feel guilty about getting angry..............it's completely normal. Have you tried tilting her mattress so that she is not lying flat. Perhaps you could put a few towels under her mattress so that it's a gradual slope. I have heard that this helps with the reflux.
Can't help with the farty bum. Zoe has a very "farty bum" but doesn't seem to have the associated pain that Ivy is experiencing. Zoe gets some discomfort and will cry a little (sometimes) but certainly not any pain.
I hope you get some solutions soon.
Bonny - I'm so sorry things sound like they've been tough for a long time now. It does my head in when Luca has his days so having it constantly like you would be exhausting. I agree you don't need to worry about being judged here just because you're angry, we know how very much you love Ivy.
I used to get frustrated & cry my eyes out, I got a smile from luca once when I was near breaking point which made me cry harder thinking how could I get angry at that! It's just so hard & no one talks about this side of parenting until you ask them & usually they say their child was terrible sleeping etc!
Luca has suffered & still does from wind and some reflux, infants friend did nothing but Infacol has helped heaps. Also giving him a tiny bit of cooled boiled water at room temp about 20ml helps his tummy.
Warm baths are great too. He gets red in the face & screams when the wind is bad.
We had an all day screamer from 2am the other day. All we could do was the usual things & comfort him through it.
You can't go on like that for long term though u will & are be exhausted so def try ngala or someone.
Most of all you are not alone and you ARE a terrific mum. And it WILL get better at some stage.
Do you have a routine? I found this helped luca. We always no matter what mood he's in bathe him then feed burp & bed by 6-6:30pm. I don't rock him to sleep anymore but get him half asleep then put him to bed close the door turn on intercom and leave him.
If he protests I leave him if it's emotional I go in.
Do you get burps out of ivy often?
The water I find makes his tummy gurgle & poo explosion which helps clear him out. No more than about 30ml or less a day u don't want them full & taking less milk.
Is Ivy warm enough at night? What about using white noise? We have witching hr at 2am here & my iPhone playing running water helps distract him. Do u use a dummy? If worked up luca won't take it but if I get to him before that it helps calm him.
Also the way I talk - sometimes me saying 'it's ok' makes him worse but if I'm calm & slightly firmer saying 'calm down look at me, it will pass..' in a low not sing song voice he opens his tear streaked eyes and calms.
He hates me being on my phone too lol.. Wants all the attention.. Gotta run someone getting grizzly!
First of all you are doing an amazing job surviving this long on so little sleep. Both DD1 and DD2 didn't sleep in the first 6 months and with both of them i was beside myself. it is so hard, and no matter how much you love them i found being with them all the time really tough as they are the cause of your exhaustion. you just so badly want them to sleep so you can rest, they can be happier and everyone feels better - and when they don't it's so hard no to want to cry. i have so many memories of putting Lucy down in her cot when she was a baby and walking downstairs into the back yard and bursting into tears. i'd pull myself together and head back up hoping she'd gone to sleep but nope she'd still be screaming.
i would definitely be booking into a sleep clinic - i'd try and get a week. you need some rest before you can tackle ivy's sleep. the thing about reflux babies is they can become very sensitised to light, pain etc, which makes them very wakeful.
if ngala isn't able to help, my CHN recommended a place called parent Link in Balcatta (94405170).
this is your first baby and you deserve to enjoy her, not be plagued by sleep deprivation and feelings of being in a situation which you can't control.
Thanks so much ladies for your responses, it has helped me a lot to get it off my chest. I just hate to feel angry, and yes, I do feel like a bad mum feeling my anger boil up.....especially after all I have been through to get her.
Cashahn - You mentioned that your DD was similar and that you managed to sort the problem out at 7wks, what worked for you? And you are right, sometimes I think also that her waking is now a habit for her.
MrsL - DH and I have talked about taking her back to the paed...but it would be to a different one next time. The one we saw (3 times, at Murdoch hosp) basically said there was nothing more he could do, and even said to us we had to 'grin and bare it' until she got older. Hearing that didnt give us much hope. She used to sleep in her vibrating chair when she was younger, but now doesnt even sleep in that. We use it now so we can put her somewhere while we do stuff, but she wont nod off in it like she used to.
Sooz - A number of people have mentioned a chiro to me...so I think I will definitely do that tomorrow. A good friend gave me the number of the chiro she used for her little girl, its one in Bassendean. Im willing to give anything and everything a shot. I havent tried Infants Friend, but have tried Infacol. Im a little wary of giving her too much stuff as she is already on Losec.
Always -Hi there. We have had her mattress on quite a slant for a number of weeks now...and she used to hate her pram and would cry everytime we put her in it, but just lately she is starting to get used to it, and will tolerate it for a while. Yeah I too didnt think that farts should cause the bubs pain as such.
Bourbon - Hey there, I havent tried the boiled water yet. What does it do? Also, how long do you leave Luca for before he settles? Sometimes I want to leave Ivy, to see if she will settle, but we are at the point that we kinda 'know' she wont drop off to sleep, and Im scared of leaving her when shes crying. I havent figured out the type of cries yet, so Id feel rotten leaving her there if she had been sick or something.
Funny you mention the white noise, as just today we downloaded a white noise cd to our ipod (no iphone here), so hopefully that gives us some relief. We have tried a dummy countless times, but she thinks its a toy and as soon as we put it near her mouth she smiles and spits it out, or chews on it in the side of her mouth!! Its kinda funny to see actually and makes me laugh at her smiling behind the dummy!
Thanks again ladies for your support :hugs:, just knowing you are all out there helps. DH taking his sickie today has helped me feel more human, as its given me a few hours break. But he cant take a sickie too often!! I'll ring the chiro tomorow, maybe get a referal to another paed and see if I can get into Ngala for the nightstay!! haha I'm sure covering all my bases here huh.
Sonja - I just saw your post. Thanks so much. Yes, I certainly agree with what you said about her being my first bub and I want to enjoy her and not be plagued by sleep deprivation. I have caught myself wishing the year away until she is older and better at sleeping...then realise that it sucks to wish time away. I want to cherish every moment NOW, and not look back at this time with such hard feelings...because she will never be this young again. Thanks for the number for Parent link, I'll look into that too.
Thats interesting what you say about reflux bubs being more sensitised to light, pain etc. I had alwys thought babies would sleep like a log anywhere...but if we get Ivy to sleep, it has to be pitch black, and not a sound. When we put her to bed and creep away, she even stirs when she hears our feet brush on the carpet, or the door handle turn, and even wakes when I hop into bed as she can hear the quilt rustle!! Ahhh my crazy little girl, what am I going to do :rolleyes:
Bonny - we don't give water every day but when luca has alot of wind pain my CHN said to give him some. It helps their tummy, I actually hear & feel it gurgle then poo almost instantly! He doesn't like drinking it from a bottle as it flows faster than milk and he chokes which makes him more upset so I syringe it into his mouth a little at a time making sure he swallows each bit before giving more. It also helps if like luca he settles when on the boob but I dont want him getting used to that & feeding too often so water helps instead. She said 10-40ml.
Boil the water each evening cool then seal & pop in fridge so you always have some handy but use within 24 hrs or throw out.
I have also heard about chiros helping from lots of people. Ivy may have something out of alignment from the birth.
Luca smiles and plays the game of let's spit the dummy at mum but now I tease his mouth with it until he 'approves' and opens, sometimes he even hungrily searches for it while I'm touching it to his lips. At times I gently hold it in for a few seconds & that works otherwise if he doesn't want it I dont force it. Better they don't depend on them anyway I guess.
I found he is settling SO much better since I stopped making sure he was fully asleep before putting him down. I wait for his eyes to droop or yawns etc then put him down & quietly walk out. We then do everything humanely possible to be quiet as he can hear a pin drop and put him down in his bassinet after bath feed burp and darkness or low light. During the day we never put him in his bassinet only the rocker or bouncer, bright light & normal noise, he even slept through a tradie using a jack hammer & Dh vacuuming around him lol.
I also swaddle both arms tightly in at night. He's fine until the third feed around 2am - then evil chucky comes out - he hates being wrapped or confined then & will grunt & groan til morning. That's when I bust out the running water sound (not before) and sometimes it works & distracts him other times he wriggles so much that he goes under blankets then cries Grr! Im trialing the wedge again tonight (previously hated it) as it keeps him central in the bassinet and can't go under blankets.
I find myself going to bed around 8:30pm as I'm (touch wood) usually guaranteed sleep until midnight at least.
Day times he's definitely done a 360 and become alot more unsettled compared to couple weeks ago.
He's getting his needles tomorrow - any advice??!! How was Ivy, did u use panadol after? Hmm not sure if I'll get sleep 2moro!
Trying to pack the house for our move isn't easy when luca now wants constant attention during the day. Maybe they can see better and notice when we sneak away!!
Thinking of you, I SO hope ivy improves soon, it's such a shame to not enjoy their little bubby weeks. R u still doing ur mums techniques? It prob helped ivy just to have another person try something new not anything u did wrong. I feel bad at times when Dh & I r out luca seems to settle SO much easier with him then I feel like a useless mum in front of friends but at home I settle him better! I think maybe luca can pick up on my stress & uncertainty while I'm out.
I still don't like going anywhere on my own except walking around the neighborhood!
My dad is always trying to give me advice even saying luca has wind from my breast milk & I should feed formula - wtf?!!
Or I've 'only' got to rock him and he won't cry - once again wtf?!!
Coming from someone who let my mum do ALL the work!!
It annoys me if when he asks I tell him if I had a bad night & he acts like something is wrong with either luca or my parenting!! I said newborns cry it's normal!!!
He rang the other day & said "c'mon we r going walking along the coast."
I was so angry he thinks he is the baby whisperer. I said NO I've had no sleep, I'm not packing up & getting everything ready plus having luca scream the whole way like Dh & my last walk! And I'm packing & organizing removalists so leave me alone!
I didn't tell him that last bit but wanted to!
It is hard work but maybe write down a list of all the things that ivy does to melt your heart & all the exciting times ahead then when you're feeling down read over it.
Hang in there buddy and remember while you're up in the middle of the night settling ivy, there are hundreds of other women doing the same thing at the same time xx
Ps: I laughed when u said ivy can hear u getting into bed and tip toeing around as luca is the same at night! During the day nothing will wake him once asleep but at night I walk SO quietly into the bedroom, sneak past him as I'm sure he can sense me, very slowly pull the doona back, quiet as a mouse get in while holding my breath & listening to c if he has stirred!!
And forget turning over, too noisy lol I must lie like a mummy until I'm sure he's asleep haha!
And Dh and the dog both get threatened with death if they both don't do the same!!
bourban - I did panadol 20 mins before dr app for needles x
Bourbon I did the same as mrsL and have always done with the kids but the nurse said they no longer recommend this. Panadol can mask the symptoms from needles and if luca is going to have a reaction the new thinking is you're better off knowing. The nurse was actually pretty cranky at me when I told her I'd given Marc panadol. I said to her if Marc did have a reaction I would give him panadol so it made more sense to me to give it before the needles. She didn't agree.
If you do decide to give him panadol maybe just bear this in mind. I still plan on doing it for all his other needles.
Bonny - huge hugs to you, I'm so sorry you're going through this. As all the others have said you're a wonderful mum, just the fact that you are on here trying to seek out solutions and your honesty with your frustrations shows that :hugs: As you and I think Mrs L said, I think us IVF mums can be harder on ourselfs as we've tried to long for these precious babies.
As I offered for Bourbon (and you've met me know so don't be shy :p) am happy to pop over one day and take Ivy for a walk so you can get a couple of hours kip if you like. I always wear Piper so can deal with two babies if there is a pram involved :rolleyes: Just let me know if this would be helpful.
I'm not going to be able to give as much helpful suggestions as the other women as Piper is a sleeper (sorry) but just a couple of things sprung to mind - though I'm sure you've tried everything. You said Ivy will sleep when you're holding her. Have you tried a wrap like the one I had Piper in at our get together. I find that great as she is not a huge day sleeper but will sleep in that. She had two decent sleeps today, at the baby and kids market this morning whilst I was walking around and at my friends son's b'day party this arvo. I don't try and get her to sleep, she just nods off gradually in that after looking around. I guess she feels safe and close to me. It doesn't mean you'd get any independent day sleeps, but it would save your arms and those soft wraps don't hurt your back as babies are being hugged to your chest.
The other thing is - does breast feeding put her to sleep at all? If so, maybe you could try breast feeding her lying down on your side and then just drifting off together. I know it would mean co-sleeping for a bit which might not be what you want, but it may give you a chance to get a bit of kip in the short term. I often do that in the wee hours when I want a couple more hours and Piper is unlikely to transfer back to the hammock. I fall asleep whilst feeding and she eventually does too (i think)...though I did once fall asleep and find her two hours later attached to the boob - surely she wasn't doing that for two hours :eek: but it was only once..promise!
The last thing is and I know that this might sound really out there, but Piper started sleeping well when Ipsychogically decided to become less invested in it. So up until then if she gave me sleepy signs or I thought she'd been awake for too long I'd try and get her to sleep and the more she didn't I'd get frustrated. Then I decided to just go with it, and say okay, you're not sleepy - whaterver, I wouldn't play with her but just hold her or talk quietly and gradually over time we stopped battling and she'd just go to sleep. Having said that I always feed her to sleep and I've decided I'm happy with that, I just personally can't be bothered with worrying about self settling - that's just me and it seems to work for us.
Sorry, long post - probably none of it helpful :rolleyes: Much love to you though as you work though this...you're in my thoughts!
Bourbon...Dad sounds frustrating. I can empathise, my dad has said a few things that have annoyed me, like when Piper was crying for a couple of minutes once...'have you ever just let her cry to see what happens' :eek: uh no, why would I do that..he then didn't have an answer. A couple of other useless pices of info...again my thoughts were the same as yours, my mum did ALL the child raising. He even proudly states that he only changed one nappy with each up us...not something to be proud of in my opinion. Of course you are the expert in your baby, I hate it when people question that when you're clearly not asking for advice. Glad to hear things are going better with little Luca and you sound like you two are finding your groove - lovely :hugs: I look forward to meeting him.
LeeLee - I've also had comments saying I should let him cry, that I can't always go to him as he apparently does it on purpose and I'm falling for it! How else are the poor things going to communicate they need something?!!
And there is evidence these days saying letting a baby cry an emotional cry for too long is bad for them.
When I teach luca to self settle I never let him cry an emotional cry which Bonny sounds constant waa waa waa whereas the protest cry has gaps in it and isn't loud more just grizzling which comes and goes.
He's getting good at getting himself to sleep without my constant rocking etc which is what I wanted.
He still wriggles under the blankets though! How do I stop this? I put him at the very bottom of the bassinet, tuck him in tight, even tried the wedge to keep him central but he still does it !
hello ladies, sorry I'm MIA these days, I tend to get on and read to catch up then don't get a chance to add anything because missy moo is calling out for my attention!
having said that, I realise I have nothing to whinge about compared to what some are going through, especially you BONNY! big hugs to you as you are doing such an awesome job keeping it together with such little sleep and with Ivy being so grissly. It sounds like everyone has given you some good ideas to try and hopefully something in that will work for you.
When I took Isla to her last Dr appointment (which was when she had her immunisation) I also asked about the reflux and colic -she has it very mild compared to Ivy though. He also said it is something they grow out of and the only thing he suggested was the losec if I really needed it which I haven't worried about. Isla seems to be getting better so I'm hoping Ivy's time is drawing near too.
Since I've moved into the bedroom and put Isla's bassinet in there, I am able to put her to bed around 7-7.30 and like Bourbon, I put her in there when she is still awake (but I know she's tired) and leave her to self settle. When you put Ivy to bed in the evening is it in your bedroom or with you in the living area? I thought Isla liked to be with us in the living area but I found all the noises were actually keeping her up or waking her up. Sometimes even during the day (like now) I put her in there awake and see if she'll settle, sometimes it works others not but I find when she's tired and she can see me she gets more grissly and whinges for me to pick her up and nurse her to sleep rather than go off to sleep on her own.
sonja -oh i hadn't heard that new info. makes sense i suppose, I only do it now as my sone once hit a fever so high and fast and was so upset that from then on i did it before.
halyz - glad to hear Isla is improving.
bourban - yes i especially love hearing advice from a childless person. thats the most classic!
hi leelee and everyone else :wave:
Bonny - just thinking about your situation last night and when I said to u that indi really improved around 9 weeks I truly believe that was a combination of being a bit older and also of doing the self settling. As leelee says its not for everyone and something u should only do when you're ready but if what u are doing now ins't working for u it might be worth a try.
So I thought I would share some tips I've learnt that may help u - start with the first sleep of the day as you're more likely to be successful. spend the hour after she wakes really low key (no play mat, lights etc) pop her in a chair where u can see her clearly and as soon as she yawns (or 1 -1.5 hours after she wakes) walk her calmly to her room talking to her softly. tell her its time to go to sleep and walk out. as bourban says cries with a break are fine and its the continuous ones that u go in for. I find its helpful to look at the clock and say to your self give it 5 full mins (seems like ages if not looking at a clock) and don't have a monitor on as it can sound so much worse (just the door adjar).
Another way to start is do what u would normally do to get her to sleep but stop and put her down as soon as she starts to close her eyes and let her do the last bit on her own in bed. If she wakes after only a short time try leaving her a few mins before going in in case she resettles.
I live by the ngala secrets of good sleepers chart which I assume is on their web site (got my copy from health nurse). I keep it on my fridge as its a giude to how much awake and asleep time they should have at different ages. Not for everyone I realise but I found it really helpful so thought u may too.
Indi is definately still uncomfortable and in the day will wake again after being asleep for a couple of minutes but knowing she can selfsettle I just leave her and she gets herself back off. Also in the night I'm sure she wakes more than she calls out but if she's not hungry then she'll go back to sleep. I often leave her awake in the middle of the night after a feed and go back to bed and she goes back to sleep on her own. There are times of course when she has trouble selfsettling (usually arvo) and then we go for a walk in the pram or I still cuddle her to sleep but i aim for 2 sleeps a day in bed.
I realise Ivy is a very individual baby and what has worked for indi may not work for her (esp since the reflux etc is obviously a lot worse) but thought I'd share anyway in case it can help u out.
oh and yes i think reflux babies are generally catnappers and wake easily as they can never quite get themselves into that deep sleep as so uncomfortable :(
Someone pls tell me how do u get the pram out, get bub out of car, put bub in pram, get baby bag etc all without the pram u and bub getting drenched when it's raining?!
Hey ladies just a quickie while my focaccia is heating through for dinner (a nice quick dinner tonight)...Thank you all sooooo much for your support, it really means the world to me and Id be completely alone and lost without you guys. Seriously, I mean that. I sometimes feel pretty useless as a mother...but getting your support in times when Im struggling helps to lift me back up and I realise Im doing a good job under the circumstances. So thankyou all very much.
I'll try to get back to some personals tomorrow, but just wanted to pop in and say that I called Ngala today to try and book in for the night-stay. OMG...too bad if you are in a desperate situation like myself, or other people in a much worse situation. If I want to do the 1 night stay, the wait list is until August, and if I wanted to do the 4 night stay (which I do) I cant get in until NOVEMBER. Holy cow. Thats 6 months away. Goes to show there are plenty of other bubs out there not sleeping. Its pretty sad that the wait is so long, because by the time a person gets to the stage of calling Ngala in the first place, they are usually in quite a desperate situation as it is...then to be told they have to wait until November. Its crazy. So we are going to do another daystay in the meantime and hope for a cancellation.
Oh and we are seeing a chiro tomorrow...covering all bases!! Fingers crossed for a miracle :D
Omg Bonny that's crazy!!! Your bub would have grown out of it by then! There must be SO many people in the same situation as you with that wait list.
Ps Goodluck at the chiro, let us know how it goes. I pray it helps xx
Bonny if it becomes an emergency you can get a referral from your GP and you'll get a bed. The wait lists ion melbourne were the same and that's what you do to get around it. I's an extreme measure bout necessary. Did you try parent link?
I'll be really interested to hear how the chiro goes as I'm still thinking I might take Marc. He still vomits quite a lot.
Sorry for taking so long to post but I am just coming out of the haze of newborn land and am finally making contact with the outside world.
My precious little girl - Jasmine Grace - arrived at 40w + 9 on the evening of 15 May... after a 26 hour labour. She was 1 oz short of 9 pounds, and was a healthy pink colour with lots of hair. She has the chubbiest cheeks I have ever seen and is just adored by her daddy (and me).
The birth went relatively well. I had one wish - to avoid a ceasar if at all possible, and despite telling me other doctors would have cut at the 22 hour mark (when I was still only 5 cms), my ob let me keep going and then coached me through a (relatively) short 30 minute pushing phase. I thank my childbearing hips (only time in my life) that I didn't tear at all.
The first two weeks have been challenging. My Little Miss lost just over 10% body weight in hospital, and then remained stagnant after 4 days at home. I thought the BF was going okay - she was attaching well, but then she would just go to sleep on the boob. So we are on 3 hourly feed cycles and top ups from EBM, and then if she is still hungry, we have formula as back-up.
So despite feeling like a milking machine for 2 out of every 3 hours, I am blissfully happy. DH has been amazing - really supportive, and so taken with his little princess.
I hope you are all doing well - and that your little ones are thriving. Look forward to catching up on all your posts in coming days.
Someone pls tell me how do u get the pram out, get bub out of car, put bub in pram, get baby bag etc all without the pram u and bub getting drenched when it's raining?!
I have a rain cover for the pram.
So pram out of back/wagon, nappy bag underneath around for the baby, I put a blanket over my shoulder so she doesnt get wet, swing her into the pram fold over the rain cover
BabyDreaming - Congratulations on your baby girl - can't wait to meet her. Elliot lost 450g in 3 days in hospital so I was on the same regime - it's exhausting, isn't it. My milk was slow to come in so he got jaundice, so he also fell saleep on the boob, so he lost more weight - a vicious circle... We got there in the end though and so will you. I had a lactation consultant come out who was brilliant.
Bonny - that wait is shocking - people could be driven to the edge before they got the help they need. :fingerscrossed: that the chiro works some magic.
AFM - I think I may be pregnant.:eek::freakingout: I think I ovulated a few weeks back and felt quite pre-menstrual, which disappeared and have been feeling nausious (sp) the last few days and really tired. I took a test yesterday which was a strong positive, but now I'm wondering if it is residual from Elliot (he's 10 weeks old)... I'm going to go to docs tomorrow.... I feel kind of scared, but excited and confused. If I am, it's a freaking miracle, and of course I'd be delighted, but I'm also worried about sharing my love and attention over 2 little ones...
sooz - OMG :eek:! How amazing (and yes scary) but amazing if u are. You will be one of those stories IVF people get told all the time :laughing:. Make sure u let us know after the docs. Good luck :fingerscrossed:
babydreaming - congratulations on the arrival of Jasmine Grace. Wow she must have been comfy in there!
Bonny - good luck at the chiro and the referral sonja suggested might be the way to go then :fingerscrossed:
Sooz OMG!! Tere's definitely a spike in your fertility after you give birth so maybe. How amazing! We had quite a few natural BFPs in the overjoyed thread so it does happen! Can't wait to hear what the doctor says. If you are at least elliot is a good sleeper so that will help you cope.
Babydreaming congratulations on the arrival of jasmine grace, such a beautiful name. Can't wait to meet her.
Sooz - omg!!! I have heard of so many people who TTC for yrs then after ivf etc get preg easily!
My ob said our fertility doesn't go up after a bub but stopping bf makes u more fertile and also your body has been 'taught' what to do.
Im going to try naturally after I've bf for 6 months.
How exciting! And scary - u will have ur hands full!!
Let us know how you go I can't wait to hear!
Sooz- wowsers that would be amazing!! Are you still bfing too?? scary and exciting..good luck! I haven't even DTD again since giving birth so no surprises here!! (poor dh!!)
bonny- that's terrible that the wait is THAT long at ngala, as bourbon said by the time november comes around Ivy will be well past these issues! I hope you can do as Sonja said and get a DR referral to get in earlier!
babydreaming- Congratulations on your little lady Jasmine Grace, welcome to mummyhood xx
afm- had mother's group today and proud mummy can say little Isla was beautifully behaved...most excellent!! she slept most of the time and when she woke there were no tears! I left before her next feed was due (it was time to go anyway) so she was a little angel!! :smiliedance:
Hayls glad you had a good mother's group catch up. I'm with you on the dtd drought. DH gives me "that look" some nights and I want to run a mile. I would if I had the energy.
sooz - I just remembered that when my son was about 10 or 11 weeks I thought i was pregant too as tired and nautious (sp?) so i took a HPT and it came up negative. turns out I had mastitis. but my point is that myn was neg at that same time with no reading of HCG...
We've hardly been at it like rabbits - the fact that I felt like it makes me think that I was ovulating...
Hayls - good on Isla... I exclusively breast-feed but Elliot sleeps through, so I go 10+ hours between feeds, which means that you can become fertile - I've been googling...
Thanks for the info mrs l - I'm finding it hard to get my feelings straight until I know for certain. I'm not sure that the doc can tell me either way - they may do repeat bloods to see whether levels are rising or falling. DH can't stop grinning - he even offered to sell his motorbike if we need extra cash - he'd be devestated if it is just leftover HCG.
Sonja/bourbon - I'll let you know whether I am one of the post ivf miracles - with crap sperm and crapper eggs it would be one helluva miracle!
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Sooz- I'm sure the doc will be able to tell you, the fact that MrsL had a test when she thought she was at 10 weeks and it came up negative proves the HCG leaves our system!! all the best xx
Sooz what time are you seeing the doctor?
8.45 - nice and early.
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Dtd - Dh gives me the look too & I give him my own back - when u get up to bub all night long like I do & cope with sleep deprivation daily - then I'll consider it! Lol poor Dh
Sooz - they should be able to tell from a bt.. Can't wait to hear.. And the fact u go so long between feeds could be kickstarting your fertility!
OMG - Sooz!!!! Couldn't read and not post. So excited for you...you know we're all going to be hanging out for your results from the GP now don't you. That'd be some news to take over to the UK hey!!!! :eek:
The jury is still out. You can still have hcg 10 weeks post partum so repeat bt on Friday. I suppose I'm pupo...
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oh man. u have to do THAT wait again :rolleyes:. so happy for u if u are but with my family complete you've reminded me to get back on that pill as obviously infertilty means nothing!
Just jumping on here before I go to bed....holy cow Sooz :D:D:D you could be UTD again!!!! I can understand you feeling a little scared, but how awesome to not have to go on that awful IVF rollercoaster again. Id give anything to not have to do all that again for another baby. Cannot wait to hear from you on Friday after your repeat BT.
Babydreaming -Congrats on the arrival of Jasmine :celebrate: I hope you are doing well.
Sonja - Thanks for the info re, referral for Ngala, however they need one for any of their stays. When I did the daystay 2 weeks ago, I had to get a GP referral. The way they work is I get the booking made (which would be Nov) and then Id get the GP referral faxed through to them.
afm - As Bourbon, Hayls and Sonja have said...I too havent gone anywhere near DH for DTD yet, haha, poor blokes. We certainly know "the look" don't we. With Ivys sleeping habits, Ive got the perfect excuse though huh :rolleyes: maybe thats why Sooz has time :D
Just want to update on how the chiro went. The guy was lovely, really gentle mannered and seemed to really know his stuff when it came to babies. Ivys neck is out, she can turn it well one way but not the other. We always knew she favoured one side quite a lot, but he thinks its more serious than what we first thought...and he believes this is contributing. He was so confident and positive that he can make some changes in her.
Her appointment was 1.30pm...then she slept in the car for 1hr 45mins!!! Amazing. We kept driving as we didnt want to go home and wake her up, so we went through a bit of petrol. This is the longest daysleep she has ever had. Then, last night she went down at 7.30pm, woke at 1am for a feed. Straight back down, then up at 4.30am for feed. Straight down again, and up at 7am. So she only woke twice all night. This is just so unlike her, its unbelievable really. Compared to the 12-13 times we are normally up.
Not too sure if its the chiro, or just coincidence. We shall see how she goes tonight. Another chiro appoint. tomorrow.
Sonja, you may have to take Marc there if we have this much success with Ivy.
Bonny that's fantastic! Can you let me know his name and number. I might as well try it can't hurt.
Re the doctor's referral, it's actually an emergency referral which gets you in. Basically the doctor thinks either you or the baby are in imminent risk of harm. At least that's what the midwife at the hospital in Melbourne told me. It's a pretty full on referral but I know a few women who've lied to their doctor to get in on an urgent basis. I was actually encouraged by a midwife to do it with Scarlett because she was so unsettled but I couldn't go through with it.
I hope you get a good sleep from ivy tonight!
Bonny - GREAT to hear about the sleeps. I hope it is the chiro that's made the difference and that it keeps improving!!!!
Babydreaming - congratulations on your new bundle of joy...looking forward to chatting more online and hopefully IRL.
Sooz...hanging out till Friday then...PUPO :freakingout: who wouldv'e thought that would come around so quick.
:wave: to everyone else. Off to join my snoring babe in the land of nod :laughing:
p.s on a cute note, Piper (miss flexible) has discovered a new skill which is to pull her feet to her mouth and on occassion lick her toes :eek:. I've told her that just because she can doesn't mean she should, but I'm being ignored. Just another trick to make nappy changes even trickier :rolleyes: Three months on Friday..it's all just going by too quickly for my liking.
Babydreaming - :cheerleader1::cheerleader1::cheerleader1: Congratulations on the arrival of your darling little girl. Hope you are settling in home well and aren't going :freakingout:. Wonderful times are ahead.:yes:
Sooz - OMG!!!!! So the wait begins. How wonderful if you are pg. You will certainly have your hands full but what a fantastic way to keep busy. At least you wouldn't have to go through the IVF journey again to have your 2nd. Lucky lucky girl :goodvibes:.
Bonny - that's great about the chiro for Ivy. We've been taking Zoe to an osteopath since she was about 6 weeks (roughly) and the osteo has "released" the birth trauma from Zoe etc. Zoe sleeps through the whole night and has recently started to have day naps. I thought it would be a load of "hoo ha" but I can't say it's coincidence. I think there's more to it than we realise. Whatever makes our little bubbies happy I say go for it. Happy baby happy mummy/daddy.:D
AFU - Zoe and I have just got back from Jurien visiting my mum and step dad. Talk about two grandparents besotted. My step dad is pretty rough round the edges (but the most kind hearted person) and he goes to complete goo when Zoe is in the room. Very very sweet to see. Zoe giggles at him and my mum all the time. Talk about wrapping the grandparents around her little finger!!!! Well I better go and express so I can go to bed and get some sleep. Driving makes me very tired.
I am going to a talk/seminar tomorrow about introducing solids to your baby. It's a free talk through where I take Zoe to see the clinic health nurse. Hopefully I won't walk out more confused than when I went in there.:laughing:
Always I reckon I'd stand on my head and turn around 6 times if it made my kids sleep through the night. Whatever works!
Bonny how was last night? We had a good nght here so I feel great today. Scarlett vomitted last night before bed and then Marc woke at 945 so I thought "here we go" but Scarlett only woke once and took 5 minutes to go back to sleep and Marc only woke once at 145am :highfive: no doubt everyone will be awake all night tonight but I'm so relieved to have gotten a decent night's sleep. Bonny I'd still like to look into the chiro so if you can post the details when you get a chance that would be great. I meant to ask did he do any manipulations on ivy?
Sooz how are you feeling today?
MrsL - yep doing that wait again...
bonnybaby - wow - lets hope that the improved sleep is permanent - can't wait to hear how last night went.
LeeLee - Piper sounds like she's going great guns - E has only just found his hands!
Always - hope the seminar is useful.
Sonja - good on your little ones for letting mum get some sleep - long may it last... I'm obsessing about the results :laughing: but it's less manic than post ET when you've invested so much.
AFM - did another test - still positive. I'm beginning to get a tad excited. Nausea isn't as bad... I don't get both blood test results until Sunday when the Dr is back in - I'm used to Fertility Clinic speediness.
We had our last Mother's Group today - down to 4 of us from the 8 who started out. E is still off colour after the rotovirus serum, his bowels are vibrating and he's spewing and has green/brown poo. Can't wait until it is out of his system.
I'm starting to pack ready for the flight home. As long as E has everything he needs we'll be OK.
Sooz - Just came in to see what the verdict was, doh, we have to wait until Sunday. I cant wait for your results, so I can imagine how you are feeling. Hopefully Elliott gets better soon. You said that he had green/brown poo. What colour is it normally? Ivy generally has poo thats a dark greenish/brown colour. Very rarely is it the 'mustard yellow' colour that I hear about. hmmm nice topic to be talking about whilst Im eating a stew at the computer :eek:
Sonja - Sorry I didnt understand when you mentioned the referral. I dont think Id be game to do that either, and say to the GP I was going to do some harm etc. Id feel so guilty. I will see how it goes with the chiro first before I go down the referral route...although it does make sense to get in quickly. Last night she had 3 feeds and 1 re-settle. Still, 4 times to get up to her is a damn sight better than a dozen!! We went back to the chiro today, so if she does well tonight, Id say its definitely the chiro thats helping and not just coincidence. You asked if he does any manipulations. He said that her pelvis was slightly out...same side as her neck. So he does some manipulations on her hips/pelvis area, and also her neck. He also uses this little gadget, not sure what its called, places it on those areas and puts pressure there. He used it on the palm of my hand first so I could feel the pressure.
He is a really nice guy. He even called the house on the evening of our first visit to ask how she was going and if we had any further questions. Never has anyone called me after an appointment. Today, he also gave me some 'babybiotics", its a pro-biotic for bubs, as he believes she has tummy problems rather than reflux. Also, another thing that made me feel more comfortable going there is they have a set of baby scales in the waiting room...so they obviously deal with lots of babies! My biggest fear initially was that I didnt want her to go somewhere they didnt have experience. But the scales prove to me they must have a few babies through their doors! The guy is called Luke, from Bassendean Chiropractic, 9379-3838. Probably about 45mins from you in Trigg. Its miles away from my place too, but it was recommended by a friend.
leelee - oh how cute that Piper can put her feet up to her mouth, that would be hilarious to see. Make sure you get some photo's!!! I stopped being able to do that when I left primary school :laughing:
Always - Thats great that Zoe sleeps through the night and now has daysleeps. I take it she never used to sleep during the day either? As you say, anything that works!!! Hopefully the seminar was good. Id like to do something similar too, as Ive got no idea what foods should be avoided due to allergies etc in the early days.
Hello to everyone else! Im sure everyone is keeping busy with their bubs.
When should we organise another catch up? There was chatter about it a few days ago, but was a date actually set or not yet.
Thanks Bonny. Not sure I could find the time to drive 45 minutes. Hmm.
Cahsahn didn't you use someone? They might be more conveniently located.
If anyone wants a good book about starting solids, Robin Barker's book on baby and toddler food is brilliant as it not only guides you through the process but also has really yummy recipes.
Haard to believe I'll be starting Marc on solids in a month!
Gah Sooz..how many POAS's do you reckon you're going to do :eek: I'd be doing them all the time I reckon..Sunday, I'm hanging out so can only imagine how you're feeling :freakingout:
Bonny, wow - that is great care that the chiro rang you at home. Bassendean is round the corner from me so I'll definitely keep that in mind for if I need a chiro as he sounds great. I was thinking of taking Piper to a chiro Dr Staeker at Burswood Health http://www.burswoodhealth.com.au/our-people as I know a couple of people who'd been there are were happy. He specialises in infants and has written a book on this topic. That might be a wee bit closer for you Sonja.
Bonny re the green poo, could that possibly be contributing to Ivy being unsettled maybe? Green poo is usually due to either dairy intolerance in the milk or excess of foremilk...sometimes caused if you have an over supply. Are either of these likely. I think I had a bit of oversupply in the beginning and Piper was getting too much foremilk, so I tend to do block feeding now. Feed off one breast for any feeds within a two hour period, then the other breast and rarely feed from both breasts. I can try and find a link on this if you're interested. Hopefully the chiro will do the trick tonight and probiotics sounds like a really good way to go too - can't hurt hey.
Re catch up...I think we were thinking Wednesday's but Bourbon has Mums group then. Tuesdays are good for me too and I think that was another day thrown around. Would a Tuesday say 10ish be any good when Sooz gets back from the UK?
Tuesdays around 10 are good for me. I'm still happy to host the first one when Sooz gets back.
Thanks LeeLee for the info re the chiro. Will look into it.
Bonny - thats fantastic about the chiro and Ivy's sleep :yes:. i just wish there was a way that we could know that its something we've done thats made the difference and not just a coincidence. I've also thought about taking indi to a chiro. I took my son once but I don't think i went to a very good person so it put me off. I'm wondering if all those nights sleeping in her chair could've done her any damage... yeah i'd prob look into that poo thing too as it could be somehow related esp since you said she seems in pain B4. even mention it to your chiro.
always - I know what you mean about grandparents, they are just in their element.
sonja- wow sounds like marc is really getting there too :smiliedance:
leelee - I love to hear what piper is doing as Indi is only a couple of weeks behind so i know what to look forward to :)
sooz- hang in there! I've got my :fingerscrossed: for u. it would be such an amazing story!
re the catch up. I can't do tues as I have mothers group :(. and am pretty sure thats the day sooz arrives home from the UK (23rd?). i don't mind missing once in a while so if thats the only day that suits I can but can I throw thursday up? how does that work?
Hey guys just letting you know I'm still alive!
Don't plan the catch up around me just yet as I'm crazy busy and won't be able to make it until I'm settled in the new house.
We move in under 3 weeks and trying to find time to pack is interesting now that luca can see when I sneak away from him! I'm just so glad I did alot while I was pregnant!
Can't wait to be in new house & finally have a nursery!
We are renting it and it's brand new so we will be first people in it. Dh & I also have appointments left right and centre about getting our own house. Not sure if it's doable yet with our house savings being dented by the ivf.
Also got doc appts, because I have MS I have to get a 90 min MRI scan soon to check brain & spine for damage while I've been off meds to conceive. I've felt great though with no noticeable relapses so hopefully no hidden ones too. Some people get very sick after a baby with MS and others feel great it's all a mystery.
My Neuro once said for me to stay barefoot & preg that I'd be the best I've ever felt! Pregnancy suppresses the immune system the same as the meds.
Looking forward to a catch up when things settle down.
Luca getting impatient I gotta run!
Talk more soon hope you and bubs r all well xx
Hi everyone, Hope you don't mind me joining in. I've read some of your posts on and off and finally thought I might as well join in.
I recognise some of you from the Perth IVF thread - MrsL Cashan, Bourbon and some of the other names ring a bell too!!
I happily had my IVF miracle in December, so he is 5 months already!!! Sleeping for us is still an issue, but in general he is a very happy gorgeous bub!
I haven't really caught up on where you are all at, so sorry for no personals!
Hope you all have a great long weekend!
ekmum - yes i remember u too. whats your little boy's name?
bourban - my goodness having to pack a house with a newborn must be hard work! Hopefully your scan is all clear. 90 min is a very long time!
Sooz - good luck tomorrow!!!! i have a feeling u are well and truly UTD!
hi everyone else :wave:
Indi falling into quite a predictable pattern at night now which is good. However she's starting the catnapping thing in the day which is driving me a little :freakingout:. She's always needed a lot of sleep and can only handle being awake for about an hour before she starts to get irritated so with the catnapping she is waking up still tired and needing about 5 sleeps a day! It feels like all I do all day is put her in bed or try and get her to sleep in car, pram or on me.
I'm also starting to find it quite hard with my son. he was very gentle in the beginning but is starting to be more rough with Indi (not trying to hurt her just being a boy!) and constatly climbing up the laundry when i'm bathing or up the cot when I'm trying to out her down. I can't ever leave the room when she's awake and find i am getting easily frustrated with him and end up feeling guilty at the end of the day :(. I'm trying to be careful as don't want to cause any jealousy etc but v hard when Indi is so vulnerable. He is such a beautifully natured little boy and I hope that doesn't change. I have to keep reminding myself that its hard for him too...
MrsL I know exactly how you feel. Scarlett loves Marc so much she almost squeezes him to death some days. She won't leave him be for 5 minutes - wants to do everything for him and even climbs into the cot when he's asleep. It's really hard. I too get a bit short with her and then feel wracked with guilt but they do have to learn that if they're asked not to do something and they keep doing it after the 50th time mummy gets cross. at least that's what I tell myself anyway. and Scarlett's latest thing is head-butting Marc. not very helpful at all.
Marc's catnapping has become really quite bad as well - but Scarlett did around 3 months as well. With school drop off and pick up being a regimented part of his life I can't expect much more from him tbh. It wasn't like when I had Scarlett and Lucy was at kinder at I could be a bit more flexible about when I dropped her off or picked her up - this is an exact time 5 days a week twice a day he needs to be out the door - he often falls asleep in the baby bjorn between the car and the school, only to wake again 20 minutes late when we're back in the car. I used to feel so bad for him some days, but I've gotten over it now as he's never grisly and is a really happy baby so I figure he loves being with his sisters. It's extremely frustrating though as during the week I have no time to myself as either Scarlett or Marc will be awake. do you resettle Indi when she wakes? I used to religiously resettle Scarlett after 40 minutes and it did work - her routine when she was this age was 40 minute catnap then a 3 hour sleep in the middle of the day then another catnap. It's time consuming but might be worth trying.
Hope everyone is well. Sooz good luck for tomorrow!
re the catch up - I have mother's group on Thursdays but for the sake of finding a day am happy to make the next catch up a Thursday. Do we want to make it the week after Sooz gets back to give her time to recover from jet lag?
Not sure what date that would be. Anyone know?
Quick one from me. Mixed up my flight times so wil be in air when surgery is open - doh...
If bourbon can't make it anyway shall we make it the original wed? I'll bring chocolate from uk - mmm minstrels how I miss you...
Hope everyone is well. I'm at airport now with elliot asleep on my chest and hopefully his sibling close by.
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any news sooz? your mobile working in the UK?
Hi guys just got a text from Sooz. She doesn't have internet access so asked me to update you all.
Her hcg levels are rising which is fantastic! She won't know much more til she gets back when she can book in for a scan.
sonja - thanks for the update, Ive been checking every day to see whats happening.
Sooz - :celebrate: congratulations buddy!!!! Thats amazing. Not only are you preggers...but you beat the odds. Its just amazing, and gives me hope that hey, I too 'may' get utd naturally as it CAN happen to us IVFers every once in a while. To think that when you got preggers with Elliot it was your last go...and now you have a natural miracle!! Hope you are enjoying the UK.
Sonja- thanks for updating us on Sooz.
Sooz - :celebrate: :smiliedance: :cheerleader2: :cheerleader1: :hyper: :freakingout: BIGGEST CONGRATS...... I just love hearing about the "natural" miracles. What wonderful news. Enjoy the UK. How did E going flying?
:wave: to everyone. Hope you had a great long weekend. I did until I slammed my thumb in the car door. I am nursing a very black (nail) and sore thumb.:crying: Ouch!!
yay sooz!:smiliedance::smiliedance::smiliedance::smili edance::smiliedance:
That is amazing that not only are u supposed to be infertile but also breastfeeding! talk about beating the odds twice!
Sonja - thanks for your reply. Indi is doing more like an hour in bed now and just catnaps in the pram or car so i'm happy enough with that. Also working it out a bit better with my son to avoid the frustration :rolleyes:.
as sooz says shall we make it the original wed if bourban not making it? does that suit all? Is that 2 weeks today?
Sooz is back 23 june so is it the wednesday after that?
Omg Sooz! It always amazes me how often this happens after ivf. Hope it happens for me too!
Can't wait to hear your progress.
Hope everyone is well.
Went to my first mothers group but was a bit disappointed. The group and girls were great but the room was so small that we were jam packed in, it was hot and Luca was overheating and no room for us to put bubs on a mat so got very tiring holding him for 2 hrs. Us girls were not happy about the set up & I'm wondering if I'll bother going back?
Much rather catch up with all of you at someone's house.
Also we were in such uncomfy chairs not at all good for breast feeding Grr.
Hope everyone is well. Thanks for the congrats. I've got my scan booked for 21st June. I'm back on 20th June if you want to meet on 22nd.
The weather is crap here - we're stuck in the house at present. Elliot was really good on the flights - I think it's a good age to fly. I was sat next to a woman with an 11 month old who was wanting to crawl and grab everything. She was one stressed mum.
It's funny how I've told all of you guys, but no one over here. I suppose it's because of everything we've been through and we all knew about each others pregnancies from day 1 last time...
22nd works for me. I'm still happy to have it here. We have quite a large open area inside which will work well I think (or hope!)
Well 2nd night of DH overseas. Last night was ok until about 4am when I wound up with all 3 kids in my bed with Marc wide awake. Hoping tonight is better. Got 7 more nights of this to get through and somehow be functioning enough to get Lucy to school by 9 the next morning.
Wow Sooz....so excited for you :hyper:. I bet you're hanging out for that scan. You sure will have your hands full this time next year I imagine :fingerscrossed:.
Sonja...hopefully the next few days will go quickly for you and you won't have all three in bed every night;)
Bourbon - sorry to hear about your Mums group. Ours was super squishy too, though enough space to squish bubs on the floor. We only met four times at the clinic and are now onto meeting at each others houses which is much better. The early years is MASSIVELY under funded by the health department so most CHN's are super over worked and have crappy buildings for clinics.
:wave: to everyone else. I have a bit of a cold, luckily Piper seems fine, so hoping booby has passed on immunity. It's not too bad..I have been downing zinc and vitimin C and can feel myself fighting it, so hopefully it won't get much worse.
I'm good with the 22nd. Sonja can you PM us all your address. Did we decide 10ish?
Oh and forgot to ask, Bonny how are you going with the chiro?
I spent a lovely day with Elliot's Great Gran who doted on him continuously.
bonny - how are things going post-chiro?
Always - I hope the finger is better.
Bourbon - It might be worth sticking with the mother's group as people drop out there will be more space for those left... Mine was similar, but you do end up chatting away to those left.
LeeLee - Hope you're feeling better.
Sonja - how are you coping home alone??
MrsL - I hope that things are a little easier with your son.
Looking foward tio meeting up. PM me if you want anything from the UK, whilst the dollar is strong.
:wave: everyone else.
Hi ladies, hope you are all enjoying this lovely weekend. Not too hot, not too cold. I have a wedding on this afternoon for a friend who lives the street behind me, so its super easy to get too. Mum will be looking after Ivy so I will be able to have some bubbly!!! 1st time I will have had more than a glass since before I fell pregnant! Id better be careful, 2 glasses will have me on my backside!!!
Only problem is that I have never given Ivy a bottle before, so I really have no idea how much she will take. I have some frozen as I was going to give her some when I went out a few weeks ago, but I was home before she needed the bottle. Ive got 2 ready, one with about 160ml and the other with about 180ml. Do you think this would be enough for 2 feeds?? Im not going to go overboard with bubbly, so worst case scenario if she was actually still hungry, I could BF when I got in.
She has been doing a lot better with sleep. I get up about 6 times per night now compared to 12. Im also managing to get her to have a few daytime sleeps...however each one is only a catnap, somewhere between 20mins and 45mins. She gets about 3 per day. Overall, its a huge improvement on where she was just a few wks ago. And with any luck we will continue to see improvement to the stage she is just like Elliott :D and giving mummy 10hrs a night. Ohhh that would be bliss.
Sorry for no personals atm, Id better go get dressed for the wedding. I'll have to wear ankle length tights as I havent shaved my legs in months!!!! :eek:
Oh and Im free for the catch-up on 22nd. Sonja can you PM your address?
Sorry this post is probably way too late.
For 2 feeds that should be plenty. One trick I use it to not warm the whole bottle If you have smaller bottles defrost maybe about 80 mls from the larger bottle and pour it into a small bottle to heat and give her that and see if she's still hungry. Then you can give her the rest I find this saves wastage.
For the 22nd is it Bonny, Sooz, LeeLee, Hayls and MrsL? Anyone else? Let me know and I'll pm my address.
Gotta run. Life is crazy here without DH. I don't think I've ever been so tired in my life.
Hey everyone hope you are all enjoying your weekend!
Sonja I think you asked where I took Sophie for the Chiro? I took her to Belridge and was also given the babybiotics for her tummy!
Bonnybaby so glad Ivy is sleeping better, going to the Chiro was definitely part of the reason things got better us as well as putting a routine in place, also I stopped giving her expressed breast milk and put her on formula (due to terrible bruising she was unable to latch to breastfeed) it wasn't until I started her on solids that I discovered that oats, wheat and gluten didn't agree with her. I'm not in any way suggesting you change to formula but perhaps see if there is something in your diet that might be causing an issue!
Hope everyone else is well and enjoying this weather. We are off to the zoo tomorrow so hopefully little miss enjoys herself :)
Bonny - Hope you're not too :cheersdears:after the wedding. Hope you had heaps of fun.
Sonja - I would love to come to the catch up on the 22nd. Please PM me your address. What time was it decided?
Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend.
DH takes Zoe to Parent/baby swimming classes on Saturday mornings at SJOG Murdoch. They do all movements in the water to nursery rhymes. It's just way too cute. Ahhhh!!!!:goodvibes:
sonja - good idea about breaking the amounts of up, it takes me forever to express as I can only do about 50ml at each time. When does DH get back? You must be run off your feet with 2 toddlers and an infant. Talk about superwoman!!
Cashahn -I agree, I think the chiro has definitely helped Ivy, and I wish we had taken her a lot earlier, but I was just so skeptical and wondered how a 'chiro' was going to help a baby sleep. I was of the belief that chiros assisted in bad backs. She has been 5 times now and we have seen a huge improvement, and her neck is so much better. How many times did you take Sophie?
Always - Hey we might see you one day at the pool at SJOG Murdoch!!! We would have gone yesterday if it wasnt for the wedding we had on. The other week DH did the dads and bubs session on a Friday evening, but we probably wont do that one again as Ivy was so tired, it didnt start until 6pm, I suppose to allow all the dads to finish work. I am going to do the physio one as well, they do them Mon, Wed and Fri. Have you done any?
well, the wedding didnt turn out quite as we had planned. Mum was babysitting and I was very much enjoying the bubbly...1st time Id been drinking for about a year. Id had 3 drinks and then at 6pm mum called and said that Ivy wasnt taking the bottle!!!! So lucky it was just the next street away, so DH and I walked home and we both tried to give her the bottle, but she wasnt interested one bit. I held her as though I was BFing, but she still refused. Same as she does with the dummy. So in the end I ended up BFing her and throwing all my expressed milk down the drain :no: it had taken me ages to get it stored!!
Plus, that was the end of the bubbly!!! After she was tucked up in bed we walked back to the wedding and had missed the speeches and cake cutting...and I drank water the rest of the night.
I suppose it was a bit of naievity on my behalf thinking that she would take a bottle especially as it was my milk and not formula...but how do I introduce a bottle? I guess not by giving it at her last feed before bed, as this seems to be her favourite feed of the day.
If she doesnt take a bottle, DH and I will never be able to go far from home. I probably should have introduced a bottle before now, but I didnt actually realise it would be so difficult. So many things to learn in this motherhood game huh?!
Sonja - thanks for the pm. will be there for sure and will bring something yummy! hope u are coping ok with your DH gone. I was left to it tonight on my own for the first time and its v hard! I put my son's fav cartoon on and snuck away to put indi down and when I came out he was riding his scooter around the house with goggles on his head and my makeup smeared all over his face and arms :rolleyes:.
leelee - hope the cold is all better!
sooz -how lovely for your family to spend some time with elliot. how is he going with the time difference?
chashan - oh i love the zoo! been meaning to go back there for awhile.
Hiya always hoping!
Bonny - thats great Ivy's sleeping better but still getting up 6 times - yikes! U must be one tired mummy. shame about the wedding. I know with my son I gave him a bottle from about 4 weeks and then every week after so he was used to it as I had a friend whose son wouldn't take one. However I actually haven't done that with indi as I just can't be bothered to get on that pumping machine again :no:.
It will probably come back to bite me next sat night tho as I'm going out for dinner for my bday and was planning on just having a few drinks. I won't head out till indi's in bed as she usually goes down about 630 but am not sure what my plan of attack should be. was going to ask everyone what the latest info was on drinking when bfeeding? Is it best to pump and dump after having a few or just not bfeed for a few hours after the last drink and let it metabolise?
Sonja- thanks for the pm, 22nd sounds good. I hope you will be ok having at your place though..sounds like you're very tired with DH away!
MrsL- The nurse at the community centre said it was ok to have a wine after bfing as it should be gone before the next feed. (she was only talking one though) She said if you feel the effects of the alcohol at the time then best not to bf. Now that Isla is sleeping about 9hrs straight after her evening feed I've had a couple wines here and there. I guess it depends how much you're going to have.
bonny- thank goodness for the chiro!! will be nice when Ivy starts stretching her night sleeps out and you get a decent sleep!
Bummer about the wedding and Ivy not taking the bottle. I had the same problem the other night when I went to a friends place for dinner. Isla was always fine with the bottle but I haven't given one to her in weeks so she wouldn't take it. I ended up having to bf her. I persevered the next time we went out for lunch and she did take it..so maybe it's a matter of giving her a bottle every so often til she gets used to it.
always- your DH is good taking bubs to the pool. I've thought of doing that but winter puts me off!!
LeeLee- How's your cold going? I've got one too..so hoping Isla doesnt get it..so far so good..does our breastmilk protect them somewhat? I've been downing the vitamins!
hi to everyone hope to see you at Sonja's on the 22nd ....that's this month right??
Cold is much better thanks all...was only really mild and I think all that zinc helped. Luckily Piper doesn't seem to have caught it and has been her usual smiley sunshiny self :). She's been doing lots of rolling from her back to her front and caught her doing one from front to back now :eek: - lordy, I call her my roly poly baby at the moment (quite apt given the number of rolls she has on her chubster legs now). Where has my little newborn gone???
Not up for personals as still got to tidy the house (looks like a bomb has hit it) before I hit the sack, but just wanted to pop in re alcohol and BF'ing. I've been told by a couple of people that the advice given re alcohol and breast feeding is uber conservative. They advised that your breast milk alcohol content is the same as your blood alcohol content, so that even in an extreme alcohol coma say at 0.5 (ten times the legal driving limit) the baby would only be getting half a ml of alcohol per 100ml. So if you were at the legal limit, bubs would get around 0.05ml per 100ml of booby milk which is absolutely nothing. I think that there was more ethanol in the homeopathic drops I gave Piper when she had her vax than that. So in terms of 'drunkeness' and breast milk, I probabaly wouldn't worry if you've had a couple, however of course the very real and more valid concern would be looking after a baby whilst under the influence or very regular intoxication which would affect let down / milk production etc... So the 'if you can drive you can breastfeed' is probably more relevant to being able to look after a baby rather than how much booze is in your breast milk. Does that make sense? But of course the official advise from gvt etc.. is not likely to be drink as much as you want it won't affect the baby if you know what I mean.
off to tidy :no:
Hayls - DH loves taking Zoe to the pool. The pool at SJOG Murdoch is indoors and heated. The whole area that the pool is in is quite warm. In fact I feel quite hot watching from the sidelines. If it wasn't indoors and really well heated I don't think we would be so keen either. How's little Isla. I can't wait to meet her.:D
MrsL - biggest Happy Birthday (for Saturday?):celebrate:
BonnyB - have you been going to the Saturday swimming for the past 4 weeks (excluding Saturday just gone of course)? I've been trying to remember the babies i've seen in the past 4 weeks and trying to see if I can remember Ivy (and her mum and dad of course:laughing:). Wouldn't that be funny if we've been chatting on line and not realising each other are in the same room at swimming. Bizarre world:D I was going to go to the mums and bubs tomorrow (for the first time) but long story regarding our car:freakingout: DH is taking it back to where we had it serviced last week as there is oil leaking out of it. I'm not having much luck with our car lately - firstly it eats my thumb and now it's leaking oil after a service. Grrrr!!!
Can't help anyone on the expressing question. I only express at night for the next night's feed. I do it so my DH can have some bonding time and because Zoe sleeps through the whole night I wouldn't last until her next feed. Way too sore!!! I haven't had any alcohol for so long I think I've completely turned into a tea tottler(spell?). I must say I am looking forward to that first Baileys on ice............Mmmmmmmmmmm yummy!!!
:wave: must go to bed before I go past being tired and can't get to sleep.
Can't wait to see whoever is going on the 22nd.
sonja - thanks for the PM, I'll bring something for morning tea too. Looking forward to the catchup. Hope your 3 are giving mummy some time to chill out while DH is away.
MrsL - thats a good idea to give a bottle once per week just to get them used to it. I think I havent bothered up til now because me and expressing dont go too well together! And as you said, its a bit of a pain in the bum expressing. I feed every 3hrs, and then to express inbetween, Id turn into a milk machine! But I really do need to get Ivy taking a bottle, more for my sanity than anything else. She is still feeding every 2.5-3hrs every single night too, so it would be great if DH can do a feed to help out.
Hayls - hey there, wow Isla is sleeping 9hrs straight at night now, you lucky duck!! Im envious!! I thought Isla and Ivy were supposed to be mirroring each other, haha, mine is not playing the game. Do you know of anything in particular you have done to help her sleep through, or do you think its just an age thing?
leelee - hey Im glad you are feeling better now and that Piper didnt get it. Im dreading when Ivy gets sick, which will happen one of these days Im sure. Dealing with a sick baby must be pretty hard going. That makes sense what you said about the alcohol in milk. Id had 3 drinks over 3 hrs, so there wouldnt really have been much in my system at all.
Always - It certainly is a bizarre world. I havent been to the physio sessions yet, I keep meaning to start them but we have had so many appointments lately that the swimming goes on the backburner. The only one we have done is the dads and bubs on fri night. I used to do the antenatal classes when I was pregnant too. Did you do those?
Sooz - How are you feeling? Has any MS kicked in yet?
Bourbon - :wave: hope you and Luca are doing well. Will you be able to make the catchup next week?
Hello to anybody I may have missed.
We have another daystay at Ngala tomorrow...neither of us are looking forward to it as its a long day, but we hope to pick up some more useful tips.
hi everyone super quick one as just got Marc down and need to get the girls' dinner on
I agree with what LeeLee has said re alcohol and that's what I follow - certainly after looking after 3 kids all day I need a drink or 2 at night!
DH home tomorrow night (midnight) and I can't wait. The girls have really missed him as have I.
Bonny I give Marc a bottle a few times a week. Scarlett refused to take a bottle and I could never leave her for very long for this reason. It was exhausting but doable because we already had one child we had no life anyway :D
Ok gotta go. If anyone is coming next week but didn't get a PM from me give me a yell. Also if anyone as any food allergies or issues let us know.
I hope everyone & their bubs are well.
I'm flat out packing etc in between looking after luca as we move next weekend omg!!
We are also meeting up with mortgage brokers & builders about building a home.
So busy busy!
Once I'm unpacked & settled I'll definitely join in.
I hope everyone has fun :-)
Bonny can you syringe some breast milk into ivy s mouth to get her used to something besides boob? Luca has always taken anything but I mixed it up early.
She probably likes the comfort bf gives her. I think you should persist maybe once a day try a bottle with some formula then bf rest of time? Not sure it's a tricky situation. I give luca one bottle formula a day and bf rest the time. Lately hes been chucking more on bottle though than bf with his reflux.
Ivy is really depriving her mummy - sleep & alcohol!! Hopefully she's giving you lots of cuddles & smiles to make up for it :-)
thanks so much on your advice re alcohol. They don't offer the health nurse talks to second time mums and i'm missing all the latest info on stuff.
Bonny - I was going to suggest expressing first thing in the morn as this is usually the way to go but considering Ivy still feeds every 3 hours at night I suppose that wouldn't be the case with u (how are u surviving???). Good luck with your ngala stay :fingerscrossed:. make sure u write down a load of nightime qu's to ask since the wait is so long!
sonja - ha ha thats what i figured re the bottle and indi. I have no life! plus she's my last baby and i don't mind if she's stuck to my side for the first year and breastfeeds till she's 5 :laughing:. My son rejected me for the bottle in the end at about 9 or 10 months and i think i still have issues about it :rolleyes:.
hayls - 9 hours! I'm also impressed. Ind's record is 8.5 but that was only once. she seems to mix it up a bit every night still but manages at least 5 for the first stint.
always hoping. thank u! its sunday tho i'm sure i won't be up till midnight to see it in:rolleyes:.
leelee - glad piper hasn't caught your cold.
Bourban - good luck with the packing and the move! hope to catch u at the next meet.
woohoo looking forward to next wed :smiliedance:!!!!
Hi All, If anyone is interested in Swimming lesson's for bub's and live SOR the best place is Riverton Leisureplex.
Mums and Bubs swimming start at 3 months and is in Riverton Leisureplex hydrotherapy suite.
They are in the hydrotherapy suite from 3 months to 36 months before they advance to the bigger swimming pool.
Swimming lessons are well worth it.
Only sad news from me.
I don't know what to say but that I had to have my beautiful 16 yo blue heeler (Duke) to sleep this afternoon. He has been with me forever and I can't stop crying.
I feel like he stayed with me until I had my precious little girl. His health really went down in the last week and I had to make that dreaded decision. I held him in my arms as he slipped from this world into the next.
I don't think I will ever be able to go out the back of house without looking for my furbaby.
I want that ache in my heart to stop.
Sorry for the me post.:gloomy:
lots of :hugs: to you always xxx
I'm so sorry about Duke, huge huge hugs.
My kelpie is also my baby and I would feel devastated too so can only imagine.
Know at least that your dog was very loved & had a good life with you xxx
Always- I'm so sorry to hear about Duke,that is so sad and I'm crying thinking of you and how hard that must have been to do. I remember meeting Duke that day. He was an angel looking after you until you got your baby girl and now he's watching from heaven. :hugs:
bonny- whats up with that Ivy lol!! Isla just started sleeping longer once I moved into the spare room! nice and dark and quiet I think. Plus when she'd wake up for the next feed I would try to push her out for as long as possible by putting the dummy in. (I know Ivy doesn't like the dummy though!)
I had a setback last night because Isla has mild cold so she woke up at 1.30am for an extra feed. Not sure what will happen tonight now as her feeds today have been all over the place!! But as you said, it's probably also an age thing. How's Ivy going..improving still? How was the Ngala day stay?
samarasmum- thanks for the info, though I'm NOR it's nice that you still are popping in. How are you going? any progress?
Luca woke at 9:30pm last night instead of 1amish!! Then every hour or so after that!
always - sorry to hear about duke :hugs:.
kill me now - sick with a cold and Indi woke at 10:30, 2:30 then every hour till 6:30. Can only assume she's also coming down with it. Its one thing being sick but then to be getting up all night sick :(. thank goodness my MIL has taken my son for the day. I had a little sleep when Indi did but she only sleeps an hour at a time so i think i maybe got 20 mins. Indi happy enough tho and still smiling so not too sure whats going on there. maybe my milk is suffering as I'm sick :confused:.
Always - :hugs: Im so sorry to hear of the passing of Duke. I recently held our family dog while she was put to sleep, and it broke my heart. Our furbabys are always so close to us. You had 16 years of wonderful times.
SamarasMum - Hey there thanks very much for the info of swimming lessons at Riverton. Thats not overly far from us, and I didnt realise anywhere did lessons until bubs was 6 months old. I'll definitely look into that. I cant wait, it will be so much fun!
Bourbon - woohoo you move next weekend. I know the packing and unpacking is a right pain in the bum...but how great will it feel once you are unpacked and settled. Hopefully Luca sleeps better than the other night. Do you know what it was that made him so unsettled?
Hayls - Its so great about Islas sleep now. I was also advised at Ngala to try and push her feeds out, in the attempt to get her sleeping longer stints. As you said, a dummy at that time would be a life-saver, but she hates a dummy...much like a bottle it seems. grrr.
MrsL - Oh no, that sucks that you are both sick. And getting up through the night feeling sick would be just awful. I thought Ivy was coming down with something the other day too. She got up at 3am for a feed, but couldnt feed as her nose was so blocked up. As soon as she put her mouth on to drink she had to come off to breathe. Poor thing. We ended up holding her feed off then put her in the bathroom with us while we had hot showers, and the steam managed to unblock her nose enough to feed. Since then, we have been out and bought Vicks and some Fess.
Hey :wave: to everyone else.
AFM - Well we had Ngala daystay again on Tuesday. hmmm, I feel a bit deflated this time, as its pretty obvious to me that we have an extremely unsettled baby on our hands, that even the 'experts' cant get to sleep :( At one point the nurse even said "Gee, she doesnt like being settled does she". haha no sh*t Sherlock! Thats why we need help. She cant be settled. The nurse tried different things...leaving her there, rocking, shooshing, etc...in the end we spent over an hour rocking her cot around the room on wheels, and she dropped off for 10mins!! Unfortunately, Ivys reflux is still getting in the way, and the nurse believes this is a major culprit.
Conflicting advice. Paed said reflux should be better if not almost clear up between 8-12 weeks and to start weaning her off Losec. Ngala nurse said that babies often have it up to 18 months and from the amount she threw up on Tuesday, strongly advised we 'dont' wean her off Losec as she obviously still needed it.
Before we left, the nurse booked us into an overnight stay in August. Doh, I was so hoping to find a miracle cure :rolleyes:
We have since gone out to Bunnings and bought some wheels for the bottom of the cot, so now we can rock it instead of rocking her in our arms...at least this saves my back!
But... as much as I whinge and complain about her not sleeping a wink, we get sooooo many smiles from her and its the best feeling in the world to have her look me in the eyes and beam a huge smile :flowerz:
just quick one;
bonny - of the bubbies i know and what the paed told me plus own experience with son 6 months is when reflux usually gets a whole lot better. Look at starting solids early as this can help. sorry to say u may only be half way there but on the other hand look how much the first 3 months flew by! Such a shame for her as she obv has it quite bad. maybe look at upping dosage rather than weaning off. I saw dr david roberts in joondalup regarding reflux.
Bonny - what a shame that Ivy has such bad reflux. Poor little darling. It must bother her a terrible amount. I know what you mean about those smiles;)
MrsL - you poor thing...................both sick? Hope you/you both are feeling better.
Bourbon - how is Luca sleeping now? Hopefully not waking up every hour like he was the other night.
Thanks everyone for your very kind words regarding Duke. I miss him very much and have yet to go out the back of our house. It's pretty hard to avoid our backyard though as every window on our living side of the house looks out into our backyard:(. I am having him cremated and the business that is cremating him rang me today to let me know when I should be expecting to receive his ashes.:(:(
My little girl and my DH are the only things that have stopped me from losing the plot. They both bring a lot of joy to my life.:fami01:
Zoe has her 4 month needles on Tues. She has been waking up during the night for extra feeds and I'm not sure if that's a cluster feeding thing for growth spurt or unsettled from the needles. Who knows. Just when I think I've got her routine down pat......................she ups and changes it on me:D. Keeping mummy on her toes.
:wave: to everyone that I have missed and again, thank you all very much for your kind words regarding Duke.
soooooooooooo tired :(. Indi sick too and has been waking loads the last 3 nights. think she is on the mend now tho. am hoping we'll be well enough for wed...
Hi Hayls I can’t get pregnant again until August September. I have a FS appointment in July. So it is just a waiting game for my body to recover.
Bonnybaby Enrolments for swimming lessons should start in the next couple of weeks.
Hiya ladies, just a quickie. I wont be able to make the catch-up on Wed as I got a call from Ngala late Fri arvo, saying that they have a cancellation for the 4 night stay, and we could take it if we wanted. The waitlist is actually November, but due to having had two not very successful daystays, and Ivy is still quite young (compared to the other bubs that go)...we were given the cancellation first.
Im looking forward to it as hoping the 4 nighter will help...but also dreading it as its going to be a long and exhausting week.
So cross your fingers ladies that this assists us, then I can stop filling up this thread with all my complaining and whinging :D haha I know thats all I ever talk about unfortunately :rolleyes:
Have a great catch-up, and you will have to fill me in on your preggie news Sooz!!!!
Oh, and no iphone, ipad or laptop for me (Im behind the times)...so I wont be back on here until next weekend. Have a great week ladies.
Goodluck Bonny I hope it works well for u and ivy xxx
Hope everyone is well. Have just done a catch up read and cannot believe Sooz’s news! Wow – congratulations Sooz – you give us all hope! Trust you had a great time in the UK showing off Elliott to family and travel safely back to Aus.
Bonnybaby – great to hear that you have scored a 4 day Ngala stay – that sure beats waiting until November. Even though it will be hard going, I really wish you all the best for the week and hope that you come home armed with heaps more tricks to get Isla sleeping.
Sonja – well done to you for managing two toddlers and little Marc while hubby was away. Clearly a super mum there. I’m still trying to get my confidence up for managing Jasmine on my own when DH is working – having my own Mum’s number on speed dial probably helps somewhat!
Mrs L – hope you and Indi are feeling much better, nothing worse than a sick bub, or Mum for that matter. Not sure if Jasmine is 100% atm, see below. Would love some advice…
Hayley – congrats on getting Isla sleeping 9 hours. How jealous am I? You must almost feel normal again! I guess a glass or two of vino would help with that too. :p
Always – So sorry to hear about Duke. I think my german shepherd who passed a month before I fell pregnant, also stayed with me through until my “other” baby was on her way. Our fur babies really are like our babies, especially to those of us who waited so long for the real thing. So glad Zoe and DH keep you smiling.
Samarasmum – hope all your hormone levels have stabilised and here’s wishing you much success for Aug/Sep.
Bourbon – GL with the move, hope Luca is doing well and that you are getting him in to a good sleep routine.
Cashahn – how is Sophie going? I still remember having a hold of a very young Sophie at that catch-up in Joondalup when she was a wee little thing. I’m sure she’s still just as gorgeous.
Leelee – had to laugh at your description of Piper’s chubster legs – my little Jasmine has them too, as well as the chubster arms and cheeks. Poor girl, she’s got my genes.
AFM – am kind of just emerging from a difficult past two weeks with what I think may be reflux. Jasmine seems to regurgitate a bit of each feed, and often pulls away and arches her back. Have put some thickener in to her EBM bottles and am also using Infant Gaviscon. Not really sure whether it is helping, perhaps a little. Next week is her 6 week check with the GP so will investigate Losec if nec.
Also, the last two mornings, have woken to find Jasmine with a very hot tummy. She seems okay everywhere else (forehead, arms, legs) but am just worried that I may be missing something. Took her temperature, but seems to be okay. Wld love some advice whether a hot tummy is something to worry about???
Looking forward to seeing most of you on Wednesday. Bonny so glad you got a 4 night stay - I'm sure you'll be able to get some assistance in that time. It will be exhausting but so worth it.
MrsL how are you feeling?
Sorry babydreaming I've not come across that one yet. Hope everything's ok.
Am struggling to keep up with everyone's news and situations - 3 kids is definitely more of a handful. Marc's more and more gorgeous each day though. He's the most content baby I've had and loves nothing more than watching his sisters. He rarely cries and doesn't stop smiling. He'll be 4 months soon I don't know where the time is going. Have started him on solids - he was keen but now a bit less so. I love this stage!
Gotta run - heaps to do before school pick up in an hour!
Babydreaming - luca is going through reflux too :-(
He's on Losec but it's not doing much yet. Tonight he was whimpering & pulling off boob. Screamed for an hour after. It's so horrible when it causes them pain.
What thickener do u use, where u buy it etc?
Hi Bourbon - the thickener I use is called Karicare Food Thickener for Infants. It can be added to either EBM or formula. My CHN recommended it after she told me she thought Jasmine had reflux. She said the thickener helps to settle milk in bub's tummy better, and it takes longer to digest, which keeps bub fuller for longer.
I bought it at the Beaufort Street 24 hour chemist in Mt Lawley - but you can get it at most chemists.
Hope that helps...
Thanks babydreaming, how often do u use it? I'm bf and rarely express now but give one formula a day or when out. Would once a day be enough?
we won't make it today. indi still coughing:no:. sleeping much better tho.
I spoke too soon!!...Isla decided do the extra feed the last couple nights! Last night 2.30..what happened?! I tried to push her out but no way. I know I shouldn't complain as she still gave me 7hrs but feels like we're going backwards. Is this normal? I don't think I could have made her wait though.
anyway, I'll talk to you this morning at Sonjas
DUE TO MANY OF US NOT BEING ABLE TO ATTEND MOTHERS GROUP AT SONJA'S TODAY WE'RE CANCELLING...
We'll try to pick another date that suits everyone if possible..
Could you please txt Sonja to let her know you've got this message. (sorry neither of us have any phone numbers.)
you should have her number in your private message
oh shame about the cancelling but yay as i was v disappointed to miss out! lets try and reorganise for v soon.
hayls - yes v normal. they go back and forth a lot even once initially sleeping thru. don't worry she will get back there again. I think its so funny coz we always want more and then when they go backwards we'd do anything to get them back to where they were initially and be happy with it. i had indi waking every 1-2 hours for 5 nights straight and then twice a night last 2 nights and am soooo happy with twice a night now even tho before sickness was hoping for once a night :rolleyes:. Just try not to overthink it - its prob nothing you've done or nothing new happening just roll with it.
Any tips on getting bubs to sleep through?
Well it wasn't really cancelled as not everyone got message in time. LeeLee came over with Piper and we had a lovely catch up. Maybe better to go ahead with these catch ups unless everyone pulls out or we give more notice? Also not having everyone's mobile makes it hard.
So sorry to those who still wanted to come but didn't. I'm sure we'll get better at these once we get a few more under our belt.
Bourbon no tips here. None of my kids slept through consistently til around 12 months of age. I have low expectations of sleep for this reason. It's pretty normal for babies to wake at night until they're 6 months old. I'm sure there are things that help but I've never figured it out! Do you do a dream feed at 10 pm or around then? You can try to resettle if Luca wakes and it's less than 3 hours before the last feed.
How often is he waking?
bourban - some people try a formula feed last feed or dreamfeed as sonja suggested. Nothing worked for my son either and at about 9 months he was still waking twice a night so we had to do tough love and let him cry for 3 nights. It was very hard but I honestly believe he would've never slept thru otherwise. I also have no expections this time round of getting sleep anytime soon :rolleyes:.
babydreaming - those first weeks are really tough. hang in there ;). CHN and google are great helps for those tricky qu's.
sooz - how'd the scan go? so spewing we didn't get to hear all your news today.
Bourbon - I give Zoe EBM at about 5:30/6:00 ish then she has her bath and then she has a formula bottle before bed. We then give her a formula dream feed around 10:00/10:30. She has slept through for a long time although she does go through little patches for a couple of nights waking 1 to 2 times a night and then reverts back to sleeping through. We have found having a rigid night routine has worked really well with her but as they say, every baby is different. I agree with Mrs L about tough love. To get Zoe to have her morning nap I had to walk out on her crying until she went to sleep. Hated doing it but you just have to some times. She now wants to go to sleep at 9:30 in the morning for her morning nap.
Hayls - Zoe reverts back and forth with waking during the night and then reverting back to sleeping through. As far as I know its completely normal. Go with the flow honey.
Sonja - Sorry but I didn't read your reply text until this afternoon. Wish I had read it a lot earlier I would have still come. Once I thought the catch up was cancelled I threw myself into cleaning up my WIR. I'm about half way through. What a mess. I then went out to Bayswater to pick up a play pen I got through Ebay.
Mrs L - hope dear little Indi is okay. Poor little love. Zoe was very blocked in the nose about a week ago and I thought she may be in for a cold but nothing happened. Very lucky.
Looking forward to the next catch up. My DH had the day off work today and when I told him the catch up had been cancelled he looked at our darling Zoe and said "Oh princess you are all dressed up and no place to go". I even put shoes on her for the first time. She looked so cute!!! Never mind, it forced me to start cleaning up my WIR.:eek:
hi bourbon, we were blessed with a good sleeper, until teething at 6 months. now she wakes 1-2 times a night for feeds. they are decent feeds, so it not habit or anything.
they grow out of it eventually, when you think about those few months its such a short time in thier lives!
i wont ever do sleep training, my sister did and her girls are still up 5 times a night with nightmares that everyone has left them alone :(
their teacher actually asked if they were controlled cried/cry it out, as they draw sad picturs at school about the crying baby that nobody loves. its heartbreaking.
our solution is cosleeping, dd self serves and i sleep my 10 hrs uninterupted
Trish that's so sad!! I never leave my boy to cry I leave if just grizzling but that's it. Someone on FB actually said he was spoilt because I don't leave him to cry wtf!!
I hate seeing little tears and luca does the most heartbreaking sounding cry, he has me sussed ;-)
He's actually been sleeping better with me adding thickener to his one bottle top up feed. Was snoring tonight and last night slept about 7 hrs with me just re positioning him a couple of times.
I bought some sleepy wings to try out today :-)
How are you going? xx
trish - just wondering how old your sisters kids were when she did sleep training? - that is a really sad story. I've got a friend that does cosleeping as well. I find it so interesting as I'm such a light sleeper its amazing how people can feed etc and not be woken. Would def make getting your sleep easier in those early months. Just wondering with co sleeping at what point and how do u get them in their own bed?
Im back!!! We left Ngala this morning, and Ive almost got a new and improved Ivy :cheerleader1:
I went in there expecting it to be a really tough week, but as it turns out, it was probably the most relaxed I have been since she started not sleeping at 2 weeks old!! She improved each day, its unbelievable.
The first night she woke 4 times, the second night she woke 3 times, the third and fourth night she only woke ONCE!!!! Holy cow, haha, this is worlds apart from my average of a dozen times per night. We still need to work on her day sleeps as she generally only slept for 20 minute naps, 3 times per day. Although on a couple of occasions she had 40mins, and even re-settled herself after a few minutes.
I learnt a lot...a big part of it is my own confidence..
Also, I think with her being 3 months old now has helped a great deal, not only with her sleep, but her reflux has improved a lot, and her bowel habits are so much better, all combined with the chiro she is still getting.
Tonight will be her very first night in her own cot, so fingers crossed she does as well as the last few nights.
On a side note, should we try and pencil in another catch-up then?
Bonny - wow that is such fantastic news that everything went so well at Ngala! Best of luck for tonight's sleeping regime at home.
Bourbon - great news that the thickener seems to be working.
Bonny - spill!! What secrets did you learn?!!
I'm interested to know what you did while there.
I've found doing a formula night time feed before bed with thickener is helping luca sleep & be settled for about 8 hrs.
Is your Losec flavoured? Is Ivy still on it?
I'm so happy for you that things are looking up. Hopefully now you can enjoy Ivy even more.
Bonny - fabulous news. So glad your little Ivy is sleeping so much better. Have confidence in yourself as a mum. Remember, every baby is different and they all have their different little ways. What works for one mum won't necessarily work for you. Have confidence in yourself, you're a great mum.
Bourbon - I hope I wasn't misunderstood by anyone with regards to Zoe and her crying. My interpretation of tough love is if she is protest crying I will let her cry for a short period and then go and settle her (whatever way I can - feeding, holding or simply just rubbing her tummy). Sometimes I have had to leave the room with her protest crying (purely because of me and not her) and then I will go back in. If it is an emotional cry I am with her straight away. Tears are for a reason and I would never let her be upset to get to sleep. She sometimes protests because I have put her down for a day nap and if she doesn't settle I will try and settle her. On occasions she just doesn't want to sleep so I just give up and bring her back out of her room to play. She seems to cope with not much sleep during the day so I let her depict what she needs.:rolleyes: Probably not the best thing to do. If Zoe wakes during the night I get her up and feed her and a nappy change (if needed).
Trish - you mention sleep training......sorry for being ignorant but is that controlled crying? I've never heard of the expression before. Very sad story about your sister's children.
How's the rain? We have a metal roof and watching tv can be interesting sometimes. Can hardly hear the tv and have nearly become an expert on lip reading :laughing:
Love Saturday mornings..............we take our darling Zoe to swimming at SJOG Murdoch. I went in the water with her last Saturday as my DH was with the Army all weekend. I had such a great time (oh and so did Zoe:laughing:). Didn't quite realise how white my legs were until I put on my boardies. Hmmmmm.
Bonny - lovely update, I am so glad to hear that the stay went well for you both. Hopefully you've turned a corner and you'll start to be a more well rested mama...it really makes such a difference :hugs:
Sonja - it was lovely to catch up with you on Wednesday and meet your gorgeous daughter :) A shame Marc was asleep (well not for you :laughing:) but just the peek in his room at his little sleeping face was lovely.
Bourbon - no tips here for sleeping through the night apart from just going with cluster feeding in the evening if Luca seems to want it :rolleyes:. Piper mostly sleeps through (ish) but I never tried to get her to do it. She does feed A LOT from 4pm onwards though so filling her belly I assume, plus my understanding is that evening and over night is when the fattiest milk is being produced. I found the most useful thing for me with regard to sleeping is to have no expectation and try to make any night time wakings as relaxed as possible, by taking it as an opportunity to read a book at the same time. Plus I've got good at sleeping whilst feeding :D.
Mrs L - I partially cosleep with Piper, if I do a night feed and it doesn't send her back to sleep, then I pop her in bed next to me and let her play whilst I dose. She either doses off next to me, or sqwauks for another feed in about half an hour and then she drifts off. In the morning if I want another hour or two I bring her in and feed her lying down, we both drift off - she has easy access to boob so just 'self serves' as Trish says. The hammock is right next to my bed, so I don't find getting up too bothersome, and I've just set up a cot pulled up next to the other side of the bed for when she's too big for the hammock.
Which...is likely to be soon...got Piper weighed at her CHN appt yesterday and she was 7.15kgs - in the 97th percentile :eek: Also in the last few days she has discovered super loud and high pitched squealing. Very cute, but my poor ears!!!
Hi to everyone else...Sooz - keen for news :hyper:no pressure or anything, just living vicarously :laughing:
leelee - omg hehe go Piper!!!! 97th percentile! What a little trooper. I go to the CHN on Monday as well.
always - how was your swimming today? Btw, thanks for your lovely comments to me about being a good mummy :goodvibes: I need some more confidence in myself I think. You are so right about all babies being different!! At Ngala we were next to another little boy only 2 weeks older than Ivy, and boy how different they were, not only in personality but also in what settled them etc.
sooz - any news?? How are you feeling?
bourbon - Im glad that the thickener is working a bit more with Luca. Yep, Ivy is still on Losec, although Im hoping to go back to the doc in the next week or so and ask about weaning her off it now or if he recommends she stay on it. Is Luca accepting it better these days? I know you said he used to spit it out.
Last night Ivy was asleep by 6.30pm and got her up at 7.45am, with 2 feeds (1am and 5.45am). I just cannot believe the turnaround in her. Bourbon, you asked for details...well, its hard to say really because I do believe it was as much for 'me' as it was for Ivy. I think I was struggling with my confidence levels and because she has had such bad reflux, I was in the cycle of picking her up the moment she made a sound, because when her reflux was bad, this soothed her and prevented her being so sick. However she has slowly been getting better, but I have still been picking her up at the slightest sound as Im scared she is in discomfort...and I think she was getting used to me springing on her at the blink of an eye.
The last few days has shown me how to leave her to try and settle herself when she is whinging. We never let her properly cry though, and Id never be able to do it anyway. Leaving her even when she grunts is hard enough, she sooo has me wrapped around her little finger!!
Ngala also assisted in stetching out her night feeds as she was still 3hourly up until Monday.
The cameras in the rooms were a godsend to me. When she was maing a noise Id look on the screen, and I could see that her body language was actually very relaxed even though she was making noise. The nurses also helped me notice even her smallest 'tired signs' and generally assisted in giving me knowledge about her sleep/feed routine. I have always been keeping her up WAY too long, and missing her little cues.
The best part is that I have come away from it feeling more confident...and also that I can see Ivy is better for it. She used to look constantly exhausted and now she has that sparkle in her eyes back and I can see she looks so much fresher :smiliedance:
Bonny - congrats! fantastic news about your ngala stay and Ivy's first night in her cot :cheerleader1:. Can I ask how they got you to stretch her feeds at night? Listening to how you were with Ivy reminds me exactly of how I was with my son. I felt so sorry for him due to the reflux and thought I was helping by never leaving him and constantly patting or picking up etc. It ended up causing us big problems and I became a complete sleep deprived wreck. I wish I had booked in for a ngala stay now hearing your success but always thought they couldn't help due to it being a reflux problem.
Leelee - wowzers what a little porker :laughing:. No wonder piper generally sleeps so well at night. You must have some fantastic milk :yes:
always hoping - don't feel like u need to explain yourself over methods to get bubby to sleep. As bonny said all babies are so, so different as well as a mothers own beliefs and ideas about parenting. I don't think any of us could bring ourselves to leave our bubbies in complete distress. All we can do is try and use our instincts to help our little ones learn to sleep in the best way we know how and a way in which we feel comfortable.
Bourban - what are sleepy wings? I'm glad you've worked out a way to stretch Luca's sleep a bit :).
Pretty exhausted today :no:. Not sure why but Indi woke quite a lot last night. I'd only been asleep about 20 mins when she woke the first time. I can't believe how much more she's moving about and grabbing now. the time is flying! We just put my son in a big boy fire engine bed tonight - too cute! for the first time ever he couldn't wait to go to bed. i stood outside his room for 5 mins ready to keep putting him back when he emerged but he's gone down straight to sleep! what a little angel :goodvibes:.
I don't think any of us could bring ourselves to leave our bubbies in complete distress. All we can do is try and use our instincts to help our little ones learn to sleep in the best way we know how and a way in which we feel comfortable.
Well said MrsL.
Well it's sad news from me. After seeing a beautiful heartbeat on Tuesday, I miscarried 3 days later. There has been a lot of tears, but Elliot's smiles are getting us through. Feel a bit numb after working out how we would cope with two and getting excited about the new arrival, but it wasn't meant to be. I'll be back later with personals.
Oh Suz I'm so, so sorry. what truly heartbreaking news.
I know no words will take the pain away so I can only say my thoughts are with you and DH. I'm glad Elliott is bringing you comfort in this difficult time.
Oh Sooz, thinking of you...:hugs: your wee babe was lucky to have had you as a Mum for such a short time...much love to you and your family. Here listening if you need us xxx
Sooz-I'm so sorry to hear your news, thinking of you and sending you big:hugs: Thank god for Elliots cuddles and smiles xx
Bonny- Ivy is doing so well now and that's great for both of you (and daddy!!) You won't know yourself getting some decent sleep, I'm so glad Ngala could fit you in sooner. She might still be Isla's twin yet lol!
always- We know what you meant re the crying and as Mrs L said,no need to explain anyway. Hope you are well x
hi to everyone, when does everyone want to catch up again? I'm happy for it to be at my place..
oh sooz that is such a shame I'm so sorry. Thanks goodness you have elliot to hold tight in this time. we are all here for you if you need some support :hugs:.
re catch up. I'm also keen sometime soon. If its at yours halys maybe u put a date and time up that suits u to start with and go from there.
Sooz - I'm so very sorry to hear your news. I hope you and DH and little Elliott can hold each other tight as you process this loss. An angel too good for this world is now in heaven xx
Sooz - I am so so sorry to hear your about your loss. There is nothing I can say or do to take away the pain that you are experiencing. Extra cuddles with E will surely take the edge off those tears and the heartache. I often look at my darling Z and wonder what her twin would have been like. I just know her brother/sister is looking over her from heaven and just waiting for the right time to come into this world (whether it be as my child or to someone who is in need). I only wish your pain would go away gorgeous. E has a wonderful angel looking over him all the time.:hugs:to you and your family.
Bonny - so glad Ngala was a success for you. Sweet dreams!!!
Hayls - I'm in for a catch up. Am so wanting to see everyone's bubbies (oh and also the mummies:laughing:).
MrsL - how's Indi sleeping? Had a mental image of your little boy sleeping in his "big boy fire engine bed".................way too cute!!!! Big question.......so did he stay in bed the second night?
:wave: to everyone. Hope you had a great weekend. My little Z was a bit unsettled today. Not wanting to have naps and just plain grizzly. Grizzly lying down, grizzly on her play mat, grizzly in bed, grizzly in my arms ..................... what's a girl to do:rolleyes:. I think she was just sick of me actually. Her dad came home and had for about 30 mins and she turned into an angel:cantbelieveit: What's with that?
Well Z has developed a small rash............you know..............down there:rolleyes:. Not sure if it's nappy rash or thrush. The rash is on external parts and one small bit on her leg. She doesn't seem to have any discomfort when we clean her, put her in the bath or put any cream on her. Is there meant to be any pain? What happens when they get thrush? I gave her about an hour nappy free time today but her little legs and bottom got too cool so about an hour was all she got. Feel very silly asking these questions but I honestly have no idea what either look like.
Sooz - Huge :hugs: Im so very sorry to hear of your loss. Im glad Elliott is there for you to kiss and cuddle and in a way, he will help in your healing process. Take care and rest up and know that we are all here for you xx
Just thought I'd let anyone interested know Sooz and I are heading to the library at Scarborough for story time tomorrow at 10.30 am
I take Scarlett but Marc loves it too. Lots of singing to keep the littlies entertained.
sonja - willl give it a miss tomoz as have plans. have fun tho!
Always - She's not sleeping too good actually. woken 3 times last couple of nights. am really hoping tonight is better :fingerscrossed:. Yes he did really well the second night as well except he woke at 11 for some water and then indi woke him at 5:30 but that would've happended in his cot anyway. Last night he was perfect. I think we managed to do it at the right time. sorry can't really help with the rash :confused: except the best cream for nappy rash I have found is daktozin. I think its behind the counter at chemists.
sooz - hope you're doing ok :hugs:
qu - how can I stretch indi at night if she doesn't take a dummy? She doesn't really respond to patting in her bed as I've never done it and when tried last night she didn't like it. I think she is waking more since being sick and its become a bit of habit. sometimes only 2 hours after last feed :no:
Sonja - Thanks for the offer but won't be able to make it. Have fun. I would love to get Zoe involved in reading as I feel it is so imporant for kids to love books. Keeps the imagination open.
Sooz - :hugs:.
MrsL - thanks for the info on the cream. As it happens I went to the chemist yesterday and they recommended that cream as it is good for both - nappy rash and thrush. The tube says to use it for 7 days. Is that how long you've used it or do you just keep using it until every last lump is gone? So much to know and learn. I swear we will all have our degree in medicine, sleep disorders, body language and multi tasking within 12 months:laughing: I'm on the crash course degree.
Can't help with the "stretching" Indi at night to her next feed. I have always demand fed Zoe (and still do). Do you do a dream feed at about 10:30? I still give Zoe a dream feed (of formula) at this time and most of the time she sleeps through to 7 the next morning. On occasion she will wake twice during the night. I put this down to needing more food for a growth spurt. Z made noises at 4:30 this morning and I remember saying in my mind "I can't be bothered getting up". She must have settled herself as the next thing I knew it was 7 in the morning. Oops........bad mummy moment.:eek:
With her daytime naps I sometimes put my hand on her tummy and very gently wobble her. If that makes sense. Just enough to make her body ever so slightly move from side to side. Sometimes it works................sometimes not.
I know not everyone agrees with the "Save your Sleep" book by Tiggi Hall but I have found it a lifesaver. It was more for me than Zoe. I found by using her guidelines for sleeps etc it actually made me more aware of reading Zoe's body language that she actually is tired or hungry. I can't say I use her guidelines to the letter but as a pretty rough guide and have found it excellent. I am still to get Z to have her 1pm nap without protest. Probably by the time she's ready to go to Uni I will have it down pat:laughing:
Have a wonderful day tomorrow everyone.:goodvibes:
Just thought I'd let anyone interested know Sooz and I are heading to the library at Scarborough for story time tomorrow at 10.30 am
I take Scarlett but Marc loves it too. Lots of singing to keep the littlies entertained.
You have beautiful kids. I am going to start IVF next month. who is your doctor?
Were you in melbounr IVF?
I had 2 IVF doctors. David wilkinson for DD1 and Dr John McBain for DD2 and DS1. All 3 pregnancies were through Melbourne IVF.
Thanks for your thoughts. We're getting there slowly. It was nice to get out today and be distracted for a bit. I hopefully won't need a d&c, which is a relief, I just feel sad about the little one that will never be.
I hope that everyone is getting over illnesses etc.
Hayles - I'll be up for a meet up. Have we got a time and date yet - as I'll move my work days round if required?
Seeing Marc today was an eye openner as they grow so quickly - you don't notice so much with your own.
I was thinking maybe Wednesday 20th July for our catch up but if thats too far away or not suitable let me know??
sooz- :hugs:takes time xx good that you got out and about yesterday, how was the rhym time?
We're away then but you guys should go ahead.
I think Bonny and Sonja away then so we can re think a date..any suggestions? I
Im away from 18th to 25th July, however don't change from the 20th if most others can make it then. I'll just attend the next one.
Ivy is still doing really really well with her sleeping since Ngala. We have had a week home with her, and every night has had 14-15hrs sleep (with a feed at 1am and 6am). I just cannot believe the difference in her. I dont expect it will last forever so Im certainly making the most of it while I can...Ive been getting up at 9am, it just feels sooo foreign to have a sleep in. But oh so good :D
Daytime sleeps are still a struggle, and managing to get maybe 2 x 20min catnaps. I can handle that quite well considering she does well at night now.
We are off to Thailand in 2 weeks, as much as Im looking forward to going, Im also petrified about going. Only just managed to get Ivy's sleep sorted, and then we go away with one of the flights an overnighter...Im petrified it will screw up all the hard work and set us back to what she was like before. Plus, Im worried about things like mossie bites, sunburn, sickness etc etc....the anxiety from IVF has certainly carried over into motherhood :rolleyes:
Bonny don't stress about the impact of travel on sleep - I did loads of traveling when Lucy was little and once you know the tricks for settling etc you'll get back into a routine fairly quickly. It's so much easier to move around when they're tiny and still breastfeeding.
I would make sure you always know where closest doctors, hospitals etc are wherever you stay. My sister was in Turkey when her son got sick and they had no idea where to take him which added to an already stressful situation. you'll be fine but it never hurts to be safe.
Sonja - Thanks for that, and good idea on knowing where the Dr or hospital is. Im just praying all our hard work on the sleep isnt going to go backwards. Im assuming after flying overnight to come home it may take her a couple of days to settle back down, but hopefully nothing lasting.
We had a cruise booked for last Aug from Beijing...found out I was UTD in July then started bleeding for weeks, so we cancelled the cruise as we were too nervous something would go wrong with the pregnancy and I didnt want to be stuck out at sea with a miscarriage. The only way we could redeem any of the money was to book flights somewhere else...so thats why we are going to Thailand in 2 weeks. Now its upon us, Im becoming a big worry wart!!
Where are you going?
Bonny the reality is you could stay home and her sleep habits might change anyway. Babies change all the time and you have to live your life. My sister moved to the uk after lucy was born and I never visited her as it seemed too hard. I have always regretted that.
We're staying on a farm in the Margaret River. Can't wait. The kids are going to love it.
any date is fine with me as i can generally move stuff around.
always - any rash has always gone before the 7 days is up using daktozin. i use sudocream every nappy change and daktozin when i see signs of rashes. generally keeps everything at bay.
hi everyone else :wave:
Bonny - That's great that Ivy's sleeping has imroved. I was also worried about the flights and time difference affecting Elliot, but he got over the jet lag much quicker than we did. Have you got a bassinet for the flights? They help if you do. I hope that you have a lovely time.
Sonja - a week on a farm sounds like great fun. I love Margaret River - it's so refreshing.
I can fit around any date for a catch-up.
Hey everyone :-)
Nice to see you are all keeping my thread alive!
I've been super crazy busy. Moved house so packed all day, looked after luca 24 hrs day, now unpacking, my dog has been sick, we are meeting builders & mortgage brokers trying to organize building our own home etc. Its been so full on. Got to notify everyone of address change and have lots of ppw for centrelink and loan applications you name it.
Hope everyone is well - Sooz huge HUGS for your loss, I was devastated to read that and hope you are holding up ok xx
Talk more soon, gotta run.
sorry, i can't make the 20th, i've already arranged to catch up with a friend - wednesdays are usually good for me though
Gosh it's quiet on here.
Thanks Bourbon - I'm OK 80% of the time and then I remember. I hope that things calm down for you.
We took Elliot swimming yesterday for the first time and he loved it. DH then got him changed and let me get a few laps in - it felt really good as I've been slack on the exercise front.
I'm off on 13/14th July and fancy taking Elliot on a stroll around Kings Park if anyone is up for it (and the weather isn't horrendous).
Back to work tomorrow for the second time. I took time off after my miscarriage 2 days after originally returning...
Hope everyone is well.
hi sooz. Glad to hear u are doing ok. i might be up for a walk let me know what day/time u decide. So elliot went ok with the time difference then? is he back to his 10 hours again? How does it feel returning to work?
Bonny - so glad to hear Ivy is still doing so well. lucky u thailand!!!
bourban - moving house with bub must be chaotic! let alone all the other stuff to add . hope your getting everything in order and your doggy's ok.
hi leelee, sonja and hayls :wave:
Sooz my last mother's group is the 14th I'd love to come for a walk on the 15th in the morning if that works for you and MrsL and whoever else is interested. It's school holidays then so I'll have lucy, Scarlett and Marc and will be VERY keen to get out I'm sure!
Hope everyone's well. Finally some nice weather today. I took a photo of a beautiful rainbow outsid our house this afternoon. Magic!
Sonja - Margaret River farmstay would be awesome for your little ones. My friend has stayed at a farm down there a couple of times and the kids cannot wait to get out of bed each morning so they can go and feed the ponies and ducks and all other little animals. I cant wait til Ivy is a bit older to do that stuff too.
Sooz - Yes the walk will be nice as long as the rain stays away. When you decide on the day and time, let us know. We only managed to get the bassinet on the flight over there, but it has already been snatched up for the return flight. Bummer, as thats the overnight flight and would have been perfect. Good to hear that Elliot had no dramas with jetlag.
Bourbon - Hows everything going? Have you managed to settle most things around the house or is everything still in boxes. All the non-essentials can wait I suppose, as long as the important stuff gets done first. Take time to sit and have a cup of tea and cuddle your little boy. Boxes can wait. Moving house is horrible huh, we did it a couple of years ago and I never want to move again!!!
How is everyone esle going? Its been freezing the last few days. Our power bill will be huge as the heater is on non-stop. Ivy has been going great guns with the night sleep...daytime not so good. So by the time her bed-time comes around she looks exhausted.
She has a slight rash on her face at the moment. Its hasnt got the typical ecsema appearance, but is more circular...Dr Google tells me it could be ringworm. Im new to this...I thought ringworm was to do with worms, but its nothing to do with worms, its a fungal infection. Typically caught by cats or dogs, and we have 2 cats. So Im taking her to the doc tomorrow. Anyone else had experience with ringworm?
Oh yeah I forgot to say, today is a very special day for me. On this day last year, 4th July, Ivy was defrosted and transferred back to me!! It was on this day that I like to think was the very beginning, she came alive and started out. :cheerleader1:
Shall we say Friday 15th at 10.30ish then?
Bonny - that's great that Ivy's night sleeps are better. The bassinet is nice to have, but we managed at 13 hour flight without one. I've also been thinking about the anniversary - about the day I was advised to cancel due to only having 2 follicles - good job I'm a stubborn bugger!
Well, I was late for work this morning as Elliot slept from 7pm to 9am and I forgot to set an alarm! He generally wakes at 7ish so thought that he would be a good enough wake-up, whoops... I also had a 10am meeting, double whoops.
I've had a couple of precious hours with him this evening - it's hard being away from him, but the smile when I return is so beautiful. DH has been sending me piccies to get me through the day.
Good lord Sooz what's in your breast milk?? By contrast, Marc was up last night at 845, 1230 and 330, but then he didn't go back to sleep until 5am. And Scarlett woke once and Lucy spent half the night in our bed as well.
Oh well they won't be doing this when they're teenagers (I hope)!
Friday 15th at 1030 ish works for me. We may get there a bit earlier to let Lucy and Scarlett work out some energy but will see on the day.
sooz - my god well i guess that answers my 10 hours question! 14 hours! At least u don't have to worry about being sleep deprived at work. I've just realisd my mum has the 15th off work. she only has 1 day off a fortnight so I don't think I'll make the walk.
bonny - i asked u this before but u may have missed it. just wondering what ngala did to help u 'sretch' ivy at night. As indi doesn't take dummy either just wondering if its something i could try. since being sick she's not doing as long a stretch at beg night and i'm usually up 2-3 times. she seems to want to be up for the day about 6am too! I try to feed her to put her back down but she's looking around giving me big smiles checking out the room etc and I know I've got no chance :rolleyes:.
Sooz - 7pm to 9am OMG!!!! Talk about milk drunk:D I thought Z was fabulous doing 7pm to 7am. Well all that you've been through your body deserves a well needed sleep in (even if you were due at work:eek:). Can only imagine what you said when you rolled over and saw the alarm clock "#@*^".
Sonja - you my dear just deserve the biggest medal. How you do it I have no idea. You well and truly are a champ :smiliedance:. Have fun at the farm stay.
Bonny - what a wonderful day to remember:cheerleader1:. We had our "1 year since transfer" anniversary on 3 June. I still remember looking at my DH when he was upset that most of my eggs didn't make it and I said to him "don't worry honey this time it's going to work.............I just know it". Now we have our precious miracle who every day brings us so much joy.
Hayls - I'm up for a catch up on the 20th.
Bourbon - how's the unpacking going? Sitting in a sea of boxes? :freakingout: Remember just one box at a time.
MrsL - Thanks for your advice regarding nappy rash. I ended up having to take Zoe to the Drs. It seems that Z needed a steroid based cream. That has worked a treat. I use that for 7 days (2-3 times per day) and then Daktozin for another 7 days (3 times per day) and sudocream in between.
AFU - we picked up our new caravan today. So exciting.:hyper: Now to plan a weekend away (after the school holidays are over). To go south or north??? The south west is so beautiful in winter (but very cold) and going north it is marginally warmer. Hmmmmm decisions decisions. Will be sad when we do go as I'm used to having our furbaby with us :( Still miss him alot but I can think of him now without bursting into tears.
How's the weather......................freezing........Brrrr rrrrrr
MrsL - woops I must have missed your post asking about stretching the night out. Ivy used to still be feeding 3 hourly through the night until we went to Ngala. Now this will probably sound awful, but when I was there they basically said to not feed her until after midnight unless she was really calling out for it. At her age now, she can make it longer without requiring feeds every 3 hrs. Everytime she woke I used to feed her, where I possibly could have just tried settling her. So at Ngala, the first 2 nights she woke before midnight and grizzled a bit. I didnt feed her, just let her re-settle. Then the next time she woke (about 1 or 2am for memory) I would feed then. Since then, I havent fed her before midnight...and her feeds have stretched anywhere between 1am and 4am. Thats fantastic considering I used to feed her at 6pm, 9pm, midnight, 3am and 6am. Now, Im doing a 6pm...then somewhere between 1-4am. Then she goes down again until 8 or 9am!!!
I guess it wont work with all babies. And I suppose there was no secret involved, just basically to not feed before midnight. And for us it has worked a treat.
Also, in assisting her get back to sleep and lie in a bit longer in the mornings is we now have the windows blacked out. Otherwise she would have been waking at the first sign of the sun coming up.
Always - How exciting to get a caravan!!! You guys will have some great trips away. My choice would be down south, I love it anywhere down there, so relaxing, so much yummy gourmet foods and wine, cheeses etc. Yes it will be cold...just pack your hot water bottle and snuggle up :D
Sonja - I hope Marc let you sleep a bit more last night.
Sooz - woops for missing your meeting, haha, little Elliot didnt want his mummy going to work, he wanted to play all day. Maybe its time to set a proper alarm just in case, your boy sure does enjoy a sleep-in!! I wont be able to make the walk after-all. Ivy is having her 4 month immunisations :no: I wont be taking her, no way, DH can do it again. I'll stay home and stress until she comes home but at least I wont have to see her scream.
Bonny that's really interesting. I've always been told do do roll over feed at 10pm or thereabouts and then resettle after that but it's never really worked for me. I might try what you've been doing and see if it works. Marc is generally pretty good at night but the other night wasn't great for any of them. I hAve pretty low expectations now having had 3 kids they all have their periods of sleeping well and then not so great.
Sooz move the walk to the 14th. More people can make that day I think and I'll have heaps on with school holidays anyway and there's every chance I won't get there with so many kids to wrangle out the door. We also go away the following day so will no doubt have a million things to do.
Sonja - Ive never heard of a rollover feed, is that like a dreamfeed?! The first couple of nights it was hard for me as Ivy woke up grizzling and where in the past I would have automatically fed her...I was advised to let her re-settle. At first I felt really mean doing it, but after a couple of nights she started sleeping through til 1am, 2am and even 4am...I realised that I had probably been feeding her all those times when it may not have been completely necessary. I agree in the early days they need feeding all the time, but as Ngala stated, she now needs to realise that night time is for sleeping, not feeding. Maybe see how Marc goes, its worth a shot anyway.
Bonny yes a dreamfeed is the same thing. There are so many different theories - the other extreme is one of the most popular sleep schools in Melbourne says it's fine (and you should) to breastfeed overnight until babies are 9 months and solids are established. At the end of the day you just have to do what works. And clearly it's working for Ivy.
When you say you allowed ivy to resettle before 12, did you do anything to help her resettle or leave her? I just want to check to make sure we don't go about it the wrong way.
sooz/sonja -don't change the walk for me as i aslo don't know if i'd end up making it. prefer to know there are a couple of others going and just rock up if it ends up being possible.
bonny - thanks for that tip. I did try and leave her a bit last night when she woke at 4 as I'd only fed her at 1:30 and she wasn't really calling out until about 45 mins later but when i went in she'd done a big poo! this baby business is so hard :rolleyes:.
always - glad the rash has cleared up. I love the south too. I reackon you'd have to go pretty far north to get the warmth at the mo anyway so may as well settle in by a cosy heater down south and drink some nice wine :p.
Indi did her first laugh yesterday while i was in the waiting room for my son to come out of his threes prog. Its all a bit awkward in there with nobody really talking to each other and there I was so happy to get my first laugh that i carried on like an right idiot :hyper:
I've been lurking, just not posting, but thought I'd pop in and share a link to get a free ticket to the Perth Pregnancy Babies & Childrens Expo in August (right when my bub is due!)...
Hope I can go! :-)
MrsL those laughs are the highlight of my day. So far Marc only laughs for me which makes it just so special.
Re the walk, the reality is I won't make it the day before we're going away. Too much to do. I just don't want to leave Sooz on her own on the 15th if someone else can join in on the 14th. We haven't really been able to get our catch ups off the ground since having the babies it seems.
Sooz if you get no more bites I could do the 15th but maybe closer to home - say around lake gwelup? Understand though if you're keen for kings park.
Gah..I've been terribly slack at posting...Piper only likes to sleep on me during the day, which is lovely..but not good for productivity. I can probably come for a walk on either the 14th / 15th. It would be a good time for me to pop back into work to say hi at the City of Subi too - just let me know.
MrsL - those laughs are magic aren't they. I've been getting a few random laughs for a few weeks now, then just last week, I was playing peek a boo with a muslin cloth and she started laughing each time I did it (small tear) and now she laughs when I play games if she's in the mood - so much fun!!! :hyper:
Bonny - it is soooooo good to hear you're getting some sleep now, what a fantastic turn around.
Bourbon - hope you're settling in well and don't have too many boxes everywhere. I vowed after the last move - never again :laughing:.
Rinchie - welcome!!! You're getting so close now, how exciting!!:smiliedance:
Hi to everyone else :wave:. Not much to report here, Piper and I are ticking along nicely. She has developed an absolutely ear piercing squeal and likes nothing more than being naked and fights me putting clothes on :eek:. I'm finally getting some nappies dry with the turn in the weather thankfully. Sleep has been a bit more sporadic of a night time over the last couple of days....I'm just using the time to read when she wakes up (though I often drift off whilst she's feeding and get a sore neck). Well, I best be off to sleep :rolleyes:
Good morning all. I'm just eating breakfast and waiting for the little guy to wake up.
Lets say the 14th then as Bonny may also be able to make it - any time is good for me, but I'll say 10 30 to get the ball rolling. I'm also going to suggest exchanging mobiles so we don't end up with the confusion of the last catch-up.
Sonja - I need to take the dog out twice a day, so just text me if you need some fresh air on Friday. If it was my milk making Elliot sleep, I'd bottle it and sell it so i didn't have to work ;). I hope that sleeping has improved at your house. I think some bubs just need more sleep than others. My Auntie had 4 great sleepers - my mum thought each time that she can't get lucky again, but each one slept more than the last.
Always - I hear you on missing a furbaby. They are a constant presence, so it hurts like hell way they die - I was more upset at losing my dog, than my Nanna dying... I've never made the trip North, I love the SW too much. I keep on meaning to go, but the 7 hour drive puts me off, when you can get to Pemberton/MR in 3-4 hours. Do you fancy the walk in KP?
Bonny - sounds like Ngala have been a life saver. It was so good that they had the cancellation.
LeeLee - glad that seems are ticking along nicely. It is beautiful when they fall asleep on you. E isn't much of a day sleeper - more of a catnapper - thinks he'll miss out on the action.
after all my posting about stetching indi she lept thru last night till 6am this morn (11.5 hours) :cheerleader1:. I am simply amazed! Of course I was awake every hour from 1 wondering what on earth was going on:rolleyes:. Am sure it won't last either but at least I know she can do it now.
Mrs L - Good on Indi. Shall I pencil you in for 14th?
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Whooo, go indi, must be something in the air as Piper went back to a nice long stint last night - we've just got up.
I was thinking as well re catch ups that maybe rather than try and work it around peoples plans, maybe we should say set it as the 1st/2nd/3rd or last Wed (or whatever day) of the month so people can plan around it. My homebith mums and bubs runs like that and it seems to work quite well - thoughts??
LeeLee - I'm happy with that approach - it means that I fit it around the days that I work.
I'm going to put a list of who may be coming to Kings Park - add ourself if you fancy it. I'm happy to go on my own, so don't worry about last minute drop outs...
Kings Park Walk - Thursday 14th 10.30am
yes sooz pencil me in. My in laws usually have my son that day so would work out well if i can drop him off on the way. could u pm me your mob and i'll let u know morn of if coming. indi typically goes down for an hour an hour after she first wakes so i'll cross my fingers that it works out timing wise and send off an sms in the morn.
leelee - yes i think thats a great idea!
hayls - what date did we decide in the end for this one?
Sooz - Sorry I can't make the walk. I would have loved to have come on the 14th but it is my FIL birthday on the 14th. He unfortunately passed away 2 years ago and I don't want my MIL to be on her own that day. I'm planning on being with her that day to just make sure she's okay. Zoe will always make her Grandma smile. Hope the weather stays like it is now.
We certainly are a very busy bunch of mums. Seems very hard to get us all together on the one day:laughing:.
Hope everyone else is going along well.
Forgot to mention with my last post that we introduced solids to Zoe on Saturday. She absolutely loved it. She made all sorts of sounds when eating. It was almost like she was just short of saying "yum yum". Very funny.
Hi All - just a quick note to let you all know to tune into 92.9 if you can at the moment. They are talking about infertility and Dr Simon Turner is on. They are talking about this topic until 9am.
I'll use this time wisely while Ivy has a day-sleep woohoo :D although she could wake at any moment...its like walking on ice!!
sonja - Yeah I agree there are just soo many different theories out there on what best to do, not to do etc. I suppose maybe trial and error and cross your fingers you come across something that suits. Luckily for us, not feeding her until after midnight actually works in stretching her out and she re-settles herself if she wakes before then. She only grizzles for a short time and then she is back asleep, so I wonder weather she is even properly awake or not. Last night I heard her momentarily about 9.30 then 11pm...but then not again until her feed at 4am. My boobs were about to explode and were sooo sore, still getting used to not being fed from every 3hrs!!!
MrsL - ohh how cute that Indi is laughing now. I actually heard my very first one a couple of days ago, isnt it just the sweetest sound. It was only me at home to hear it, so Im sure DH thinks Im making it up as she hasnt laughed for him yet. Woohooo that she had a huge stretch the other night, 11.5hrs is awesome. Did she wake at all in that time even for a moment or slept the whole 11.5hrs?
Rinche - Thanks for that link. I'll check it out. When are you due? How are you feeling? Hopefully everything is going well for you and you are managing to get everything sorted out.
leelee - I laughed when I read about how Piper loves being naked!! Isnt it cute. I swear when I take Ivys nappy off she lets out a big sigh!! I cant wait til summertime so they can get around in just a vest or something really light instead of layering them up. You must have been up late, I noticed one of your posts was at 1am or something crazy.
sooz - Yes I'll pencil in the 14th too, however a bit like MrsL, I'll see how Ivy goes for sleep in the morning and I will text someone if Im not going to make it. I'll PM everyone my number. Where about should we meet in Kings Park?
Always - How great that Zoe love her solids!! Ive heard of a lot of babies hating the solids and it taking quite a few attempts. Im pretty nervous about starting. So thats great news that she has taken to it. What food did you try? And did you still give milk, before or after?
Well Ivy is still asleep, I was sure I wouldnt be able to finish this post, but Ive made it :cheerleader1:
Might go chop up the veges for soup and make the most of it.
bonny - must be a day for napping longer indi is also out of it and i've already run around like a madwoman doing my chores and have myself some net time ;).
I actually didn't hear her all night but when i spoke to my hubby in the morn he said yeah she was awake about midnight - whoops! She must have been very quite tho and not hungry or otherwise I was just really tired :p. These days I wear ear plugs and have her door shut (tho a monitor on low in the lounge) so i don't wake to those smaller noises. Unfortunately she did wake twice last night tho :rolleyes:. quite funny as she first woke at 11:52 and I remembered your words about midnight so left her until she called out more so she prob just scraped in for a feed at approx 12:01 :laughing:.
rinche - I caught the end of that on 92.9. Simon turner was my doc for my DS. Hope your holding up ok in your final stages of preg ;).
always - what to the CHN's say about solids now? when to start? what to start with? i was thinking about 5 months i'd do it.
gosh indi till asleep. what to do with myself... clean the house or watch TV? yeah I'll go the relax option :D
MrsL & Bonny - I started Zoe on rice cereal. To me it has absolutely no taste. In fact I think the plastic packet it came in would taste better but as they say babies like really bland food.......especially when starting solids. Her first meal was about 1pm so I could see if she had any reaction to the food (and not while she was asleep). She was fine so I gave her some more for dinner. I did this three times a day for 3 days and then introduced pureed pumpkin. Every new food I introduce to her I will give it to her for 3 days (this is what the CHN recommends as any allergies/intolerances should show within this time). The CHN gave me a great list of what to introduce and when. The talk I went to the CHN said "she had to say introduce foods at 6 months because that's what they have to say". She asked everyone what they had been seeing as the time to introduce and everyone was saying anywhere from 4 months on. She said "she couldn't say that's right but.........." and left it at that with a smile on her face. We could all tell that she agreed with 4 months on. Every baby is different but I just knew that Zoe was well and truly ready for solids.
The CHN said that if your baby can hold their own head up, can move their tongue from side to side (and not just front and back as used in BF/Bottle) (can't say I've ever noticed whether Z can do this), interested in you eating and mimick chewing when you chew they are definately ready. Z has been looking at us for ages eating, trying to reach for our glass/plate etc and has on occasions mimicked chewing.
Z wasn't that keen on the pumpkin when first introduced but I mixed it with a little rice cereal and now she is getting used to the taste. I think I will introduce cauli next. I had a big cooking fest and pureed all these vegies and put them into ice cube trays and froze them. When they were all frozen I put them in freezer bags and labelled and dated them (so I know how hold etc they are).........................you know when you do that eventual freezer clean and find "stuff" in your freezer that you have no idea what it is or how old (ewwwhhhhhh).:eek:
I still am BF Zoe after meals as to be honest I can't really tell how much she is actually swollowing. Alot ends up on her bib, hands, high chair and me. I really have had to get over my "no mess" personality. Z finds it great to start blowing raspberries when a spoon full of food has gone into her mouth. Very cute but sprayed pumpkin is really messy:laughing: I've heard that you should BF before giving solids as they should have more BM than solids. To be honest Z is such a guts she will take both and not hold back on either. I don't know how many BF I give her a day as she is demand fed and whenever I think she is starting to show signs of hunger. I have no idea whether I am reading her properly or not:freakingout: She will never go hungry put it that way:laughing:
MrsL - glad Indi just scraped it for the 12 o'clock feed. Lucky she didn't start at 11pm:D How are you getting Indi to have day sleeps. I'm lucky to get Z to have 30 mins in the morning and that's it. Of course she will sleep if I hold her but as soon as I try and get her horizontal she's awake. I've started to just put her in the pram and go for a walk but I can't do that when it's raining.
Have a great day tomorrow everyone......................it's Friday and that means DHs are home for the weekend to help with our little ones and spend special family time at home.:smiliedance:
Sorry for the really long post..................(mostly about food):rolleyes:
Kings Park Walk - Thursday 14th 10.30am
I hope that everyone got some more day sleeps out of bubs.
Always - Thanks for the solids info. Elliot looks like he might be ready for it - he's watchin us eat and chewing. He's still on the light side for weight, but up at the 75th percentile for height -- I'm not too worried though as he's alert, growing and has good skin hair etc.
Sonja - DH took Elliot to rhyme time on Thursday at scarborough and was very impressed with the long haired man who took it. He was a bit intimidated at first, but then some other dads arrived - there were 5 of them in total. He is loving being the main carer.
Well, just as I think I'm getting over my loss, the sight of a pregnant woman on the train sent me to floods of tears. I guess you never truly get over it.
I'm peed off with work loading me up, so I got my CV knocked together and have 2 interviews next week. I'll see how they go, or may become a contractor so I can set my hours better, or at least get paid for the hours that I do.
Have a good weekend x
Sooz - Trust your instincts (even though we think we haven't got any as first time mums:D) when it comes to E starting solids. I have never asked what percentile Z is in whenever I have had her weighed etc so I don't know what she is. You have nothing to worry about your little man. You as his mum know whether he's growing well enough. I figure if a bub looks like they're a good enough weight and outgrow their clothes soon enough then they're doing okay!!!! It must be me but I'm just so over "too much info". I think IVF has done that to me. With the amount Z is eating and drinking if she doesn't grow upwards she's only going to go outwards:laughing:
Pity I can't make the walk...................I wouldn't be much company anyway as it's a pretty sad day for me. I miss my FIL very much. There's not a day that goes by that I don't think of him and wish him here. My Z has his eyes and every time I look into her eyes I see my FIL. She has really blue eyes like my FIL and my DH and I have brown eyes.
Sooz you have every right to get upset. You are suffering a loss and it is only natural to grieve. As time goes by it will ease. Just think of your darling E and that will bring warmth to your heart. I can sympathise with you as every time I see twins I feel a loss.
Good luck with the interviews....................or becoming a contractor so you can set your own rules:yes:.
Tomorrow is swimming for DH and Z. My step daughter is coming tomorrow to get in the water with her dad and Z. She is really looking forward to it. She came over last night and gave her sister her night bottle and got her off to sleep. It was very lovely to see and my DH was just so happy to see his two girls together (even though there's an 18 year gap). I was a bit scared that my step kids would not feel close to Z seeing there is such a massive age gap but I couldn't be more wrong...............they love her to bits.:goodvibes:
Have a great weekend everyone.
always- thanks for the info on solids. I can't even remember what i did with my son but think it was similar. I just remember him getting constipated which is putting me off starting. I don't think indi is showing any of those signs yet and am happy to hold off a bit longer.
indi has always been pretty good at self settling in that she has never complained too much when I put her down. When she does I pop her in her swinging chair in her room and that usually does the trick. She has about 4 naps a day for about an hour each. Holding her is usually a last resort only because its too tricky with my son (who has learnt this is the best time to get into mischief :rolleyes:)
i hope thursday is not too hard for you and you and your MIL can keep each other company :hugs:
Sooz - its completely natural to be feeling like that at the sight of a pregnant lady. Its such a hard time for you to deal with it all as well as going back to work and having elliot to care for. Good on you for looking elsewhere if you are not happy with your work.
11:20 last night for first wake up. hmmmm its getting earlier and earlier... I told her tonight when i put her down "now you need to do a really big sleep and only call out when you're hungry" we'll see if that works :laughing:
MrsL - Is Indi still waking up earlier these last few night? Ivy often stirs around 10ish but then settles herself after maybe 10-15mins. Then her next wakeup when I feed her is anywhere between midnight and 4am. The nights I have fed her at 4am my boobs just about explode, its so uncomfortable!!
Always - Hey thanks very much for all the solids info. Im a bit nervous about starting actually. I havent seen Ivy move her tongue from side to side, nor have I seen her mimick chewing yet, so I might hold off for a few more weeks. haha I can imagine the mess, and the pumpkin splatter all over the house. I'll need to get a plastic mat or something for the floor. In fact, I dont even have a highchair yet. What does anyone recommend? Ive heard the Ikea ones are cheap and pretty good. Also heard that the Bumbo seats are perfect for starting out. Great to hear that your step daughters have a good bond with Zoe, must be very special to see. Oh and good to have some extra babysitters when the time comes.
Sooz - Best of luck with your interviews this week!! Let us know how you get on. Sorry to hear what happened on the train the other day. Especially since it is still very fresh. Next time you see a lady with a bump just think of your little boys smile. I know its not the same, but if Im ever feeling peeved off or down at something, the image of Ivy smiling makes it all better.
How is everyone else going? Geez its been cold these last few days! I booked Ivy in for swimming lessons at Riverton (thanks for the heads up Samarasmum) but we miss the 1st lesson as we are away. Its more a mums and bubs class for the first term with lots of singing etc, then proper classes when she hits 6 months. She has her 4 month immunisations on Friday...sooo glad DH is on arvos that day and can take her. Im too chicken.
Man I've neglected u all I'm sorry guys!!
Always seem to be flat out. Got my hair done while mum babysitted today which was nice.
I wish mum lived closer, she's great with Luca & loves him.
Luca was starting to sleep through but now is waking up often & starving so maybe growth spurt at 14 weeks?
Gotta run, bub finished bf :-)
Not going to make the walk this morning sorry...I drove into subi twice on Tuesday, in the morning for a vax for Piper and in the arvo to KEMH. Will be back to KEMH on Friday morning so don 't want to push my luck with Piper in the car too many times in one week. I hope you all have a lovely walk and the weather holds out fo you.
I'm getting some free physio through KEMH as my coccyx is still painful from the birth when I am sitting for any length of time, so they're trying some ultrasound on it. Fingers crossed it does the trick :fingerscrossed:
Was wondering wether we should try and make catch ups the last week of the month to make it easy to remeber. Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday mornings are good for me.
just a quickie. Mrs l and bonny have sent pm with phone no. Hope to see you at 10ish near war memorial near frasers. Be back latyer on phone now.
sooz - I sent u sms to say I can't make it. bubhub was playing up for me last night. hope u got it.
leelee - yes end of month great. I can't do mondays either and prefer not tuesdays as I have mo group.
bonny - yeah still early but not really before 11:30 so i suppose thats not too bad. the night before was 1:30 so i thought she was on her way to improvement but i guess not.
bourban - hope luca is back to sleeping thru for u - lucky!
Hi everyone else :wave:
Mrs L - I got your text. Bonny can't make it either, so I'm taking the dog and dh,
Always - I hope today passes ok for you.
LeeLee - end of month is good for me too.
sooz - sorry you're going solo after all. Indi is also getting a little whingy in the car which makes me reluctant to go any further than about a 10 min drive lately.
just thinking about these catch ups. we need to get them off the ground hey! did we say we're leaving the 20th as bonny and sonja can't make it? If thats the case what about the 27th then? the following wed which would make it the last of the month. haylz are u still hosting next one? otherwise I am happy to do it... U haven't posted much lately - hope all is ok :).
I'm happy to go for Wednesday 27th, that makes it after the school hols, so maybe easier for you Sonja?
Shall we start a list again:
Catch up Wed 27 July - 10am?
who is a good chiro north the river for babies?
I've had a bit of a hard time lately.
With the move, applying to build a house, things not ready at new rental & tradies constantly over, luca has bad reflux if it's that and has been arching so much that every bf is a struggle.
I have felt like everything has just been hard lately :-(
Have booked luca to see Dr Michael Blair as chiro is meant to help.
Cashahn - are you able to pm me your name as they want to know who recommended me to them?
I'm also going to book luca in to see a paed, he's been coughing sneezing & waking during night more, hardly any day sleeps & I'm worried about him.
I'd love to come to the next catch up if I can & if it's at someone's house but after his doc appts to make sure he's healthy.
How is everyone else's babies going with sleep & reflux etc?
Re catch ups I'm happy if you want to make them the last Wednesday of each month - we're usually around then but it is tricky for me with Scarlett as she'll likely get bored pretty quickly. I guess (and please don't think this sounds awful but it's just how the thread is going) I'm not entirely sure we'll get much of a turn out so I don't want to drag her around if there isn't a real interest in the catch ups?? Hope that didn't come out badly - I just know from experience with mother's group etc if we don't get a decent turn out the catch ups won't survive. With the 3 kids I have so little time I just want to make sure.
Bourbon sorry I have no answers. Marc doesn't sleep through, but neither does Scarlett or Lucy anymore. I cope on not a lot of sleep these days, but it does sound like Luka might be in pain with the back arching so seeing a paed might be a good idea.
Hope you're enjoying the sunny day.
Sonja - thanks for that :-)
I don't think what you said came out badly it's true everyone is so busy now that bubs have arrived. I think we want to catch up but it's just harder now than before. Do you think we should make catch ups once every 2 months for a little while & if interest perks up or we are all more settled make it more often?
What a beautiful sunny day it is. I love days like this.
Sonja - I agree that we need a critical mass of people wanting to meet up.
Bourbon - I hope things settle down soon for you and that the paed/chiro can help Luca. I'm incredibly lucky that Elliot is an unbelievably good sleeper. I think he may be a mischevious toddler, going by the twinkle in his eyes though. I'm not sure that making the meet-ups less frequent would make any difference, I think we just need to be honest about whether we're up for organised gatherings just yet, or whether day-to-day routines just aren't established enough for us to make commitments. I'm in the weird position of being back at work (and having a stay at home hubby), so once I have a date laid out I can be 99% I can make it.
I hope that everyone could enjoy the sunshine today.
I enjoyed a wee bit of sunshine and braved the local shps (aka Midland Gate) thid arvo, otherwise we have mostly had a snuggly day at home - whicj i think we needed. Have to get us both into Subi for 8am tmorrow - ouch!! I managed to get Piper onto my back for the first time today in the ergo which was great as it meant I got to do hands free housework. Piper thought it was most amusing and I kept showing her herself in the mirror and getting a big gummy grin.
I'm keen for catch ups, if we stick to the same day each month i.e last Wed or whatever, I'll put them all in my diary, then plan other things around it. So with the exeption of a sick baby i can commit to meet ups :-)
LeeLee - I've added my name to the list, so we can gauge response for this month. I'm happy to hold it at mine. That day is my last as a 30 year old -eek...
Catch up Wed 27 July - 10am?
Thats fair enough sonja and I can understand where you're coming from. i just feel thatif we get the ball rolling and stick to the last day of the month then we'll all know not to organise something else on that day and it may start to work a bit better. Like leelee I'll be there except in the case of sickness or if the location is a bit far for me dep on how indi is in the car (as i said at the mo she's not liking it much).
Catch up Wed 27 July - 10am?
bourban and sonja - can we add your names then?
Unfortunately my mother is coming to perth that week so i won't be able to make it.
Sonja don't think your answer came out bad at all. I totally agree......getting three little ones organised for a catch up it needs to be entertaining for them as well otherwise you will just spend the whole time entertaining your little ones and not catching up with anyone.
So I gather the 20th is cancelled? If Hayls still wants to have a catch up on that day I am more than happy to come along. I'm pretty much available for any date/time as Z doesn't want to sleep during the day now and is a great traveller (she will sleep in the car so the further I travel the better:laughing:).
Catch up Wed 27 July - 10am?
LeeLee - good luck in getting to Subi by 8am.
Bourbon - I'm so sorry to hear about little L. I hope the reflux settles soon (for both your sakes). I took Z to an osteo (SOR) and that did wonders for her sleeping/breathing etc. Sorry can't recommend anyone NOR. When you said L was arching his back when BF ........sorry if I'm getting too personal ......but your AF could be on its way. AF can affect the taste of your BM and they tend to not want to BF. About a week before my AF came Z was rejecting BF. The beauty of BF and formula I could easily feed her either.
:gloomy: Well today went by well enough. My MIL, DH, Z and I went to the cemetary. I miss my FIL so much. He was one of lifes gentlemen and I only wish my little girl could have grown up knowing her grandad. I show her his photo most days and point to her "grandad" and she sometimes smiles.
Well it looks like being a snuggle day at home tomorrow. Apparently there is a storm coming through.
Dh, luca & I all have a cold :-( I'm just hoping luca doesn't get worse.
Booked chiro for tues & paed for 6 weeks time (they r booked up).
Luca is bf again but I notice he falls asleep pretty quickly. I wonder if my supply has dropped from giving him a bottle at times.
Had a nice day today, luca slept for hrs on my lap while Dh & I watched a DVD.
Sooz you sound like you've got a great sleeper there you lucky thing!
LeeLee good on you for braving the shops! I'm yet to go anywhere on my own besides walks.
MrsL how r u? Sorry can't give an answer about catch up as we r all sick. Where is it being held?
Alwayshoping sorry about your fil, it's always the nicest people :-(
Not sure if it's the taste of my bm as he didn't even latch on just kept going stiff. He fed today but fell asleep quickly.
Hi to everyone else :-)
Bourbon if you have any concerns about your supply take fenugreek tablets. My CHN put me on to them and they are amazing. I take them as part of a formulation called breastfeeding support but you can buy just fenugreek. If you buy straight fenugreek you need to take a high dose. I found the results almost immediate. I went from running out to pumping a 100 ml feed every morning.
Always sorry about your FIL. Hope you're feeling better now.
Geez Ive had a hard time trying to get onto bh...and even now the page is all over the place with various headings and pictures on top of other things. Is it just mine or anyone else been having dramas too? Sooz mentioned in a text that there were some maintenance issues.
bourbon - Ohh what a shame you are all sick, it must be awful being sick and to look after a sick baby. Touch wood, none of us have had anything yet (hope I didnt just jinx myself)! 6 weeks is a long time to wait to see a paed. Not sure if you want to travel to SJOG Murdoch, but there are 2 paeds there, Dr Slattery and Dr Crompton...and you can generally get into both of them the same week you ring. Oh and in regard to Luca falling asleep at the breast...its the only place Ivy has NO problem sleeping!!! Almost everytime she feeds, she will be asleep within about 5 minutes. She continues feeding and then eventually comes off herself, and she is stacking on the weight so I know she is getting plenty. The only thing that is a problem is I cannot let her get into the habit of feeding to sleep, as much as its beautiful to see her sleeping. When I was at Ngala they said it was a huge no no, as babies should not link a feed with sleep, because obviously it will be a nightmare getting her to sleep without a feed. So I try and gently rouse her, sit her up for a burp, just so she wakes a bit.
leelee - hey free physio is pretty good! Normally its a bit pricey. Hopefully they can work their magic and get you sorted. We recently bought an ergo baby carrier too, but yet to wear her on our backs.
sooz - So sorry again about the walk. My brother works offshore and was leaving on Friday, and he wanted to see Ivy before he took off and that was his last chance. We managed to go for a walk around here as it was a beautiful day. So, almost 30 huh. What will you do to celebrate??
MrsL - Hows Indi going? Are you guys over your colds now?
Sonja - If you havent already left, enjoy your farmstay. Im sure it will be loads of fun and your kids will have a blast.
Always - Im so sorry you had an emotional day but its nice to have the support there. I too have gone to the cemetry on a few occasions to where my nan is, and to explain to Ivy that she got her name from my nan. I hope you are ok.
Hayls - How are you and Isla going?
AFM - Unfortunately I dont think I can make the catchup on Wed 27th. Ive booked Ivy into swimming lessons and it is held every Wednesday morning. The classes are at 11.45am...so I suppose I 'could' manage the catchup for an hour and then go to swimming, but Im afraid Ivy would be overtired by then as its probably too much to fit in all in one morning.
The really hard thing is to find a day that will suit everyone, as I would love to attend the catchups but cant make Wednesdays now due to swimming. Maybe we could make the catchups on alternate days each month...but then it may start to confuse everyone and make it hard to plan things around it. Ideas on how we can get around this? Bummer.
We head to Phuket on Monday. As much as Im looking forward to it, Im also sh*tting myself!!! So if I dont jump on here tomorrow, Ill catch up with you all when I get back, and have a great week everyone x
This is displaying differently now and i can only see bonny's post after hitting reply so am trying to remember where you're all at:confused:
bourban -hope u are all on the mend now.
bonny - hope u have a fantastic time away and Ivy keeps up her good night sleeping! the main thing is that u know the tricks now to get her back if u need to. yes we are all well and truly over the colds now (indi coughed for a few weeks) and now just waiting for the next round to hit us :laughing: yeah am sure we can alternate days so u can make some catch ups too.
sonja - hopw your farm stay goes well. would love to do that when indi is a bit older as never did it with just DS.
leelee and always - hope u and bubbies are well.
hayls - are u alive? :laughing:
we are all going really well here. will be booking in Indi for her 3-4 month check and needles over the next couple of weeks. She is so cruisy in the day and I'm starting to really find my feet with having the two and juggling the everyday. My hubby didn't get home till 6:50 tonight and I think a couple of months ago I would've had a nervous breakdown doing the dinner, baths feedings etc at that crazy time of day but I am learning little tricks like making the dinner during indi's lunchtime or arvo sleep and having it ready to whack in the oven just before 5:00, to help take the pressure off that hard time of day.
oh yes and re catch up
Catch up Wed 27 July - 10am? Sooz's house?
As i said am happy to host but have a feeling sooz's might be more central for u all if that still suits u sooz?
just back from 5 days stay at the animal farm at Margaret River with DH and the kids. Was fantastic! The kids had the best time ever and Marc was so flexible with his sleeps - he was such a trooper. Bought back so much wine - I was able to escape for an hour or so a couple of days and check out a few wineries so am looking forward to cracking a bottle or 2 very soon! Thankfully we had perfect weather the whole time too.
sorry got no time at moment as still unpacking and have 3 very tired kids to wrangle thru dinner, bath then bed.
I'm still having issues with BH. Grrrr... I hope everyone is well.
Mrs L - I'm happy to host - I'll send PMs with my address and phone no for those interested. I'm glad things are going well.
Bourbon - I hope that you guys are feeling better.
Sonja - DH was a bit confused - he thought Marc was your hubby and you'd taken the girls out so that he could sleep! Perth is a small place really... Glad you had fun in Margaret River - I love it down there.
Always - looking forward to finally meeting you.
Bonny - if Wednesdays are a no-no for you we could write days we can't do down and see if there is a common day that everyone can do once a month??? Hope that you're having a fantastic time in Thailand.
LeeLee - hope that the physio is working.
sounds great sooz. v quiet on here so maybe others are also having troubles posting. it was playing up for me about a week ago.
indi has started sleeping for 3 hours in the afternoons :eek:. going a bit stir crazy at home with DS!
Sooz - got your PM and have noted your address and mobile. Thanks for that. I am really looking forward to meeting everyone and all our gorgeous miracles.
MrsL - wow Indi is sleeping for 3 hours in the afternoons. I don't want to jinx myself but Zoe is in a definate routine of a morning nap at 9:30ish for about 30-45 mins. I can sometimes get a midday nap for about 30 mins and then a 3:30/4ish nap for about the same time.
Sonja - so glad you, DH and kids had a fantastic time down south. MR is a great place. I haven't been there for quite some time. Now that we've got the caravan we must do a trip.
Hayls - how you going? How's little Isla? Hope all is fine with you all as we haven't heard from you lately.
Bourbon - How are you and L feeling? Settling into the new place okay?
:wave: to everyone that I have missed. Hope you are all doing great.
As to catch ups I am able to come pretty much any day. If I know of a catch up date I will just make my appiontments around that.
AFU - well I get to go swimming with my darling little Z this Saturday as my DH is away with the Army. This will be my second time taking her swimming and am really looking forward to it. Not looking forward to getting into the swimming cosie. How do you lose 10kgs in a day?:freakingout: I think a good start would be to stop eating Tim Tams (no fun in that though):goodvibes:
Always - I'm thinking of taking Elliot swimming at the weekend as DH is working. He loves the water - can't wait until summer when we can make use of the pool(or pond as it now resembles.
Elliot had his 4 month check - he's still a slight little thing at 5.94kg, but is 64cm long. He is the opposite of his stout mummy ;) We didn't have his jabs as he had been projectile vomitting in the morning, so they are scheduled for the end of next week.
Hope everyone is cherishing every moment with our not so little bubbas. I just want to freeze time for a while as they are growing upp too quickly. Appologies for any typos - my cat is walking along the keyboard demanding attention.
I was just wondering what you do to occupy your little ones. Elliot only catnaps during the day and I'm running out of ideas. We do tummy time, reading, playmat, jumperoo and singing, normally 3 of these in between dozes. Is there anything I'm missing? I take him walking with the dog as well. I et bored wandering around shopping centres, but will generally like to get out at least once a day. Any suggestions?
Sooz that's something I really struggled with when i had Lucy - what the heck do you do all day?? Some other things to do include giving him a nice long bath - I often gave Scarlett 2 baths a day when she was little (ie one during the day and one at bedtime - it certainly filled in the time). I also hate shopping centres and honestly think they're bad for kids so avoided that at all cost. I did lots of long walks, mat play time and playing under a hanging thing, playing in the cot with the mobile, looking through books. And lots of drinking coffee!
Marc's easier because he has Lucy and Scarlett for entertainment, and we have the school pick up and drop off each day to give us some structure and break things up. But when Lucy is going to a friend's place after school and I don't pick her up til 5 I still struggle with what to do all afternoon. Marc sleeps ok during the day but it can be very hit and miss so I know where you're coming from.
It gets so much easier once you can take them to the playground, but that is still a little while away. I can't wait for summer when I can plonk him on the sand at Trigg beach and he can eat it while the kids play in the water.
Well you're pretty much doing what I do with Zoe during the day. I must admit I get pretty bored as well. There's only so much housework a girl can do;) I let Z play by herself (with me checking on her) for a bit of the time during the day as well. I feel that she needs to learn how to entertain herself just like learning to settle herself.
Z is pretty much only taking 30 mins naps during the day (x3 - if I'm lucky). She loves going out and especially to shopping centres......................so much to look at and so many people there. Z is very sociable and loves being amongst it all:laughing:.
On really nice days I will make sure Z is really warm and put rugs etc on the grass (in a shading spot) and we will sit in the fresh air while she plays with her toys. I sometimes garden while she is playing. I must admit I do often have to come to her and entertain her for a little while before I run and do some "super fast" weeding. I even had her in the ensuite with me (in her bouncer) while I cleaned out our cupboards. She found it very entertaining with mummy pulling everything out and throwing most of it in bags for the bin. Perhaps not a great lesson for me to teach her (pulling everything out of the cupboards......):eek:
If I have the TV on and it's on the right channel (sorry couldn't tell you what time or what channel) but she loves High 5. It must be all the bright colours and singing. She is totally mesmerised by it. Terrible, I know, but she loves it.
I often wonder too whether I am stimulating Z enough. Hoping I'm not "dumbing" my child with not enough stimulation:D. I asked this of a CN once and she said to let her be a baby and to introduce small things at a time. Z will explore as she feels she needs to. Too much stimulation can unsettle babies too..............my goodness......will I ever learn all this "mummy" stuff :rolleyes:
Did you end up taking E swimming? Z loves her swimming at SJOGM. It's all to nursery rhymes and I had a ball as well. I sang my heart out to my little girl and she loved it:hyper:. Must be love because my singing is awful.
Very sad to hear about what happened in Norway. I can't understand how people can "hate" so much as to take another person's life. I don't know if the bombing and shooting was "religious" motivated but no matter what God/angel/being you pray to at night, no-one should ever hate another person that much. Very sad, very very sad. The families and friends of the victims are in my prayers.
Sooz I was also going to say it's so mich easier once they can sit up. Both my girls sat up at 4 months and Marc's getting close. Once they can do that playing becomes a lot easier. You can practice with Elliott by propping him up with pillows and "helping" him. Boys often sit up much later than girls so it doesn't hurt to help them along.
I also think outside time is really important and I take a blanket to the park for Marc when we are going to the playground. Always he also helped me clean out the craft cupboard which he loved. He's a very chilled boy who can keep himself amused but when I see how much he thrives on us talking to him (esp the girls) to be honest i don't leave him on his own too much. My girls became independent at quite young ages and as he's my last I don't want it to pass to quickly.
I agree re Norway. So tragic.
ha ha...yep, I agree Sooz, this is a funny age, where they're past the sleep/feed cycle and want to be engaged but can't sit up and entertain themselves for long periods of time.
I do a LOT of baby wearing...so I strap Piper to me in one of the carriers, I'm liking wraps and the ergo at moment and she 'helps' me do the housework...her favorites are the vaccuming (which makes her laugh) and hanging out the washing. I've just started putting her on my back which makes doing the bending down type activities a bit easier.
What else, I give her a massage most days which takes up about 20 minutes, though she is roly and wriggly now, so it's more challenging. I have to get out the house every day or I go nuts and so go to lots of groups, yoga on Monday, playgroup on Thursday, mums group on Friday, sometimes Rhyme Time at the library and my homebirth mums group once a month and I catch up with friends in between. I went to Freo to meet some mums on Monday on the train, so that took a LONG time from Guildford!! Piper really likes the train, looking out the window and tunnels are super exciting for a four month old. I too am not keen on shopping centres, so often do little bits of local shopping or just go for a walk.
What else at home...she's really into peek a boo with a muslin cloth at the moment and also I pretend play the monster game where I pretend to be 'toe monster' and go into to eat all her toes or another part of her body...she really anticipates it and belly chuckles when I pretend to eat her toes...very cute!!!
Reading books is fun, but we don't get much reading done as she wants to eat the book and just grabs it from me and gives it a big slobber.
Anyway gotta go, have a bit of proof reading work I'm doing at the moment for my an old workplace.
Looking forward to catching up on Wednesday!!
Sonja - Wow the girls sat up at 4 months. Z is 5 months and still doing ab crunches trying to get there. She can sit up if I do the work for her and have her touching her toes then she can sit there but anything other than that she crashes.....
LeeLee - train rides.......I have wanted so much to take Z on a train ride but can't get past my fears. The last train ride I took I was December last year and I was very very pregnant and a group of youths thought it would be funny to try and trip over the pregnant lady as I was walking down the aisle. I was very frightened and just didn't want to be there. Never felt so vulnerable in all my life.
How do you get your little ones to sleep during the day. I have now been trying for over 45 mins to get Z to have her morning nap. OMG............what's that new book out.....................Go the @u<# to sleep!!!:devil6: What am I doing wrong? Z used to go down for her morning nap so easy now it's a complete battle. In the end I usually give up and just let her come out and play with her toys.
Really looking forward to Wednesday.
She has just gone to sleep..............................shhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhh:eek:
when miss E was tiny i still kept a basic routine, for my own sanity.
generally days were breakfast, floors, lunch, nap (hehe), cook dinner, watch tv on couch while she clusterfed.
after 8 weeks when i was off bedrest id go for a walk after lunch, and go walking at the swiming pool once a week. i had coffee with my sister 1day a week, lunch with mum 1 day a week, and my 5yo nieces 2 days a week so family kept me busy!
once she was 3 months id go to the gym over her morninh nap and she sleep in creche
always hoping, i b00b to sleep most of the time, i dread when she weans!
Thanks for the advice ladies. We need to baby proof our garden so it's off limits at the moment.
Always - We went swimming today - we're not in a group yet, so we just splash around. I was also worried that we're not stimulating him enough.
I've got no advice on getting Z to nap. I just look for tired times and hope to catch him in time. He often ends up sleeping in our arms as he fights it and needs to be soothed to sleep.
Sonja - I just tried to see how E was at sitting. Erm well we've got a way to go;-). He has great head control, but is no where near controlling his body. I'll start propping him up a bit.
LeeLee - I generally do massage as part of his before bed routine, but might add one in the morning.
I would join a playgroup, but my days on my own with E are at the weekend. DH takes him to rhyme tiime, although I make sure I take him to gymbaroo as I've started to bond with some of the other mums.
Well it was a big day here - E rolled from his back to his front (I think he was trying to get his foot in his mouth, but nevermind...). He's been rolling in the other direction for a couple of months, but never this way. They'll be mobile before we know it!
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Trish - yep, I BF Zoe to sleep too. I find it's really the only way she completely calms down. It's just when I put her on the cot mattress she wakes up instantly. Sometimes (and only sometimes) I can settle her back to sleep. I'm getting to a point of where i'm not going to stress whether she sleeps during the day or not. She sleeps all night so should I be worrying that she's not sleeping through the day? She slept for an hour this afternoon only because she was asleep on me.:rolleyes: I was forced to watch 55 days in Peking......................because the remote was too far away for me to reach:freakingout:. Sorry but that has got to be the most boring movie.
Sooz - glad you went swimming. Doesn't matter that it's not in a group. Just holding bub's in your arms in the water is just magic. Love it :yes:. CONGRATULATIONS to E for rolling from back to front. Very clever little boy. Z has been rolling from her back to her front for quite some time now but has only mastered the front to back twice now......................purely by mistake though:rolleyes:. Still it's a start.
Can't even think of Z mobile. My home has got to be the most "un child proof" home in existence. Glass display cabinets, home theatre, glass french doors throughout the home......................arrrrhhhhh:eek:. I will be investing in a lot of windex and chasing her a lot to try and keep her away from the display cabinets. There goes the 10kgs I wanted to lose by chasing her:laughing:
Have a great day tomorrow. My DH has the day off work tomorrow so that will be nice.
Luv & hugs, always
:laughing: always i LOVE that book. can totally relate with my almost 3yo! Inid's been great with her day sleeps lately but I know that babies are forever changing so will just enjoy it while it lasts :rolleyes: i more clock watch with her as i know an hour awake time is about all she can handle. she barely ever cries so usually first whinge = feed, second whinge = nap. she usually feeds about half an hour after waking and then half an hour after the feed goes to bed.
sooz - it is hard to find little things to do while they're awake but agree with sonja that its soooo much easier when they are sitting. esp when they can rifle thru a box of toys on their own. My DS was about 6 months which is the norm. I think sometimes its us that needs the stimulating more than them. their environment is so new and interesting. I know half the time Indi is quite happy just playing with her own feet :p
poor indi is not rolling yet. Feel a bit guilty as she doesn't get much floor time due to fear of attack by toddler brother :eek: She'll get there tho. Listening to u guys i suppose she spends a lot of time in bed too (about 5 hours a day). hmmmm perhaps she's just super lazy!!!!
Hi ladies sorry been MIA I've been reading just haven't posted in awhile.
Had a few things on lately, namely DH 40th birthday celebrations, organizing house stuff for our new houses..probably be moving in at the end of august so packing coming up..oh no!!
Plus we're off to exmouth this weekend coming so busy getting things ready...omg Isla first plane ride, I'm a bit nervous.
Always- what do u dress Z in for the pool? Do u put floaties on her too? This will be the first time I take Isla to the pool up there. I've got a rashy top and bather bottoms for her and I'll be holding her the whole time but do you need floaties?
Sooz-are you having catch up at your place this Wednesday? Could you please pm me your address & phone no. As I really will try to get there!
Hi to everyone...I am still alive, hope to catch up finally!
Hayls - I just put Z in a "little swimmer" nappy and her rashy all in one. Hot pink of course:laughing:. I don't have floaties for her as I am holding her all the time. I think any floating type of device would be a bit dangerous (what does everyone else think as I'm no expert)? Z likes to splash heaps in the water and having anything on her arms would annoy her (I think)....
Sounds like everything is crazy busy at your place at the moment. How exciting about first plane ride for Isla.
So hope you can make it on Wednesday.
MrsL - I am sending Z to Indi school.:p
AFU - well Z has now rolled from her front to her back twice today :cheerleader1:. Still can't tell whether it's by mistake or not. Had such a wonderful day today with DH home. We really need to win Lotto so he can stay home too :D Well my darling little girl has learnt to pinch. She pinched me about 5 times on the arm whilst feeding this morning. Didn't think it would hurt as much as it did but OUCH.........double OUCH. I told her "No" and she just laughed at me :rolleyes:
:wave: to everyone.
Re swimming. Lucy did lessons in Melbourne for 4 years and none of the pools would let the kids wear floaties or any floatation devices during the lesson. It does get in their way when they're little and when they get older it gets in the way of actually learning to swim. I found them useful when Lucy was around 3 years old as she wasn't a confident swimmer so it gave her extra independence when we were just playing in the water. Scarlett started using floaties when she was 18 months old for the same reason.
we have a swimming ring thing, with a seat in it, for miss E.
that way I can do laps sidestroke and just tow her along :)
Im back from Phuket, arrived yesterday morning and have been busy with all the washing and unpacking, yuk, its the worst part about a holiday.
No time for personals atm but just wanted to pop in and say that all my fears about the plane trip etc, have been calmed.
OMG, Ivy was just soo well behaved that DH and I are gobsmacked. An angel. Getting there and back were huge days, as we were not flying direct. We had to fly to KL, then swap terminals, go through customs and collect bags, then re-check into the other terminal and fly from KL to Phuket. Same on the way home. From door to door was 15hrs each way.
I made sure I fed Ivy on take-off and landing and she had no dramas with her ears, except on the very first flight she was a bit wriggly and cried for about a minute. The rest of the takeoffs and landings were perfect. She slept majority of the flights, probably because she was in my arms and absolutely loves to sleep being held, and when we are at home she is always in the cot. haha so she was taking full advantage of being held to sleep.
We didnt do too much when we were away, the humidity was probably a bit much for Ivy and she was exhausted within about ten minutes of going outside. Luckily my parents came and helped babysit, and we had a fantastic resort there so we didnt mind one bit staying there and not venturing too far.
Overall, the experience was great, and all my nerves were for nothing. No wonder my friends call me worry wart!!
So sorry I cant make the catch up tomorrow, we have Ivy's first swimming lessons. I really hope to make the next one, as I dont have another mothers group.
Have fun xx
glad to hear your trip went so well Bonny!
just popped in to say we'll def be there tomoz! looking forward to it!!!!
Bonny - welcome home. Glad you all had a great time and that Ivy was a perfect angel. All that worrying for nothing......but don't feel too bad as unfortuately worrying has become part of our "IVF" nature;). Have fun at swimming tomorrow. How much is it at Leeming?
Trish - where'd you get the "ring thing" for E to sit in while swimming. Sounds fantastic.
Looking forward to tomorrow.
Sorry - I have not baked.......I have bought (we had my DSS birthday dinner here on Monday night and well I just couldn't drag myself into the kitchen to cook..............plus have been out all day:freakingout:)
Its was $12 from kmart, zoggs brand I think, bright yellow :)
It was lovely to see everyone today - we certainly have beautiful bubs.
I hope that everyone wasn't too thirsty by the end.
For those who weren't there, the next one is Thursday 21st August - so hopefully bonny (and everyone else) can make it.
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It was lovely to see everyone today - we certainly have beautiful bubs.
I hope that everyone wasn't too thirsty by the end.
For those who weren't there, the next one is Thursday 21st August - so hopefully bonny (and everyone else) can make it.
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Yes certainly was fab to catch up with everyone...all the babies are just so lurvely!!! I think that the Thursday in August is the 25th?
Leelee - you're right. I lost my first post on the laptop, then typed it in wrong on my phone. I also managed to submit it twice...
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Sooz, thanks for opening your home to us all. I had a lovely time and thanks for sharing your cake. By the way happybirthday for Thursday and hope you have fun :celebrate:.
I don't think I had fully reversed out of your driveway and Z was asleep. All our babies were gorgeous and I loved seeing everyone and putting faces to names (and learning our real names.... :).
Hayls - have fun up in Exmouth.
Well off to give Z her dream feed. Have a wonderful day tomorrow.
Sooz - I gather from Always' post that its your birthday? Happy Birthday, and for memory its your 30th. They call it the Dirty Thirties. For us I think its about dirty nappies and dirty little hands and clothes :-) Hope you have a great day.
Always -The swimming as at Riverton Leisureplex, and the swimming is $122 for 10 sessions. Heaps cheaper than the ones at SJOG, as it cost us $22 per session when we did that one. And its exactly the same thing, singing songs etc.
Glad you all had a good catch-up, doh its a shame I missed out. I'll definitely be at the next one, and I've already pencilled it into the diary. Have we got a venue for it yet? I think most people live NOR is that right.
Well Ivy enjoyed her swimming lesson. I had planned on not wetting my hair so I wore it up, but the amount that Ivy was splashing around, I came out with drenched hair. She was smacking the water like crazy! Also, I couldnt believe my eyes, there was a little boy that fell asleep halfway through the session!!! OMG, fell asleep in the water whilst his mummy was swishing him around and singing songs. I dont think Ivy would do that in a million years. It was pretty funny to see.
Hi glad to hear the catch up went well. Turns out my day to myself went haywire as Scarlett split her head open at the beach the previous evening and wound up in hospital. Not a good time at all. Lucy enjoyed her first ambulance ride so something fun came out of it I guess. Scarlett's our classic middle child - a real risk taker who hasnno fear of anything. DH and I don't believe in helicopter parenting preferring to let the kids learn lessons by experience so i guess this is a down side to that. Anyway she's fine which is the main thing.
Mum and I took the 3 kids to the movies today which was nuts but they all seemed to enjoy it.
Bonny glad Ivy loved her lessons. Gee i did all that with Lucy and poor Scarlett and Marc don't get a look in. They both will spend so much time at the pool over summer I figure they'll learn one way or another. So happy to read your worry about the holiday was all for nothing. They really are at such a great age for traveling.
Re the next catch up - that's the only Thursday i can't do :( as my mum's group has a follow up session at the CH centre. Not sure how anyone would feel about moving it back a week or forward a week?? I understand if not possible.
Sorry I've been a hermit, been busy & also a bit stressed lack of sleep etc.
Luca was just starting to sleep through the night when bam! I started waking at 11pm, midnight, 2am, 4am, 5:45am ... Etc
I don't know why other than his reflux may be playing up. I'm booked to c a paed but can't get in for 6 wks, 2 more to go.. Luca still on Losec & vomiting all day.
He's been sleeping great during day (trialing in his cot for day sleeps) but not so much at night! We have a routine of feed play bath feed sleep etc which is helping.
Tonight I'm trialing him in a woombie.. Fingers crossed, he cried 5 mins after being put down so hope he gets used to it as he can't wake from getting arms free or burrowing under blankets like before.
Doing lots of tummy time, he's got such a strong neck :-)
Also going to chiro weekly.
I've found my gp clinic totally useless & know nothing about babies so rather than traveling to regular clinic think I'll find one closer to ellenbrook where I now live.
Dh & I r in the process of applying for a home loan but must say I'm a little nervous as to whether we can afford it. Told Dh I want to c a financial advisor before committing.
Sonja - sorry to hear Scarlett split her head that must have freaked u out, I hope she's ok now x
Bonny - I feel like such a slug when I read u go swimming, Phuket.. So much braver than me! I'm glad u had a good time & ivy has been so well behaved :-)
Always - u sound busy! Yay for Z rolling! Ouch on the pinch! Luca has pinched me before too! And his nails r SO long lol!
Sooz - happy bday!!! Hope u had a great day. Glad to hear E is going well x
LeeLee - how's piper? I copied u today & wore luca while vacuuming! Easier to get stuff done & luca enjoys being carried.
Trish - how r u going?
MrsL - wow sounds like Indi sleeps well! Great for getting stuff done!
Hayls - hey buddy! Happy 40th to ur Dh! Ooh u have the joy of moving house soon huh?! I sympathize!
Ok guys... I'm going to try hard to come to the next catch up...
Sonja - I hope that Scarlett is healing quickly - poor little mite.
Bonny - I'm glad that Thailand went so well. Those swimming lessons sound great - we wanted to get Elliot in somewhere, but we'll probably just keep going ourselves and take to the state ones when h is 6 months. The other classes are too competitive around here. Mrs L has volunteered to host the next catch-up.
Bourbon - I hope that the paed works some magic. I think you're wise making sure that you can afford a house. We both ended up working two jobs when we first bought in the UK and it adds extra strain to the relationship.
Hayls - enjoy Exmouth.
In terms of the catch-up, it makes no difference to me which week it is. Changing the week may make it easier for Hayls to make, as it clashes with her house move at present (I think...)
:wave: LeeLee, Mrs L, Always and everyone else
Sonja - OMG. I hope Scarlett is ok. Poor little thing.
I read that Sonja can't make the 25th and Hayley will be moving around that time so is everyone okay with moving it a week later to 1 September? I'm okay with that date.
Well my DH and I have officially moved our little girl into her own room tonight. We tried putting her into the cot but after trying to settle her for some time we decided moving her bassinet into the room and letting it be a "soft" transition. I don't think I'm going to sleep a wink tonight not having my little girl in her bassinet right next to me. It's pretty much a decision we've had to make now as she is very quickly growing out of her bassinet. We'll have to fold her in half to sleep in it soon:D
Well the last 5 1/2 months have gone so quickly. My baby is not such a "baby" anymore. I remind myself to cherish every single moment with her and remember each milestone. Yesterday was pretty monumental.......Z started to wave at us when we waved at her. She was doing it all yesterday and last night..............................but overnight has forgotten:rolleyes:
Well the most strangest thing happened yesterday. We were at the food hall at a shopping centre and the lady next to me was making a real fuss about Z. She had 3 gorgeous kids of her own and she was saying to her DH "one more". Well he laughed and gave the polite "ahhhhh NO". We got talking and she said to me "do you want to know if the next one will work and what you're having?". I couldn't believe my ears. She had no idea Z was the result of IVF. She said she could see a lot of heart break around me regarding having children. She said "believe it will happen and your little boy will become". I have never felt so stunned in my life. I walked away feeling.........well I'm not sure how I was feeling but it was like my soul was smiling. Bizarre. :heywhat:
Always - OMG, thats sooo wierd. How could she have known that?! Was she a phychic or something? Well, if she is right, then its a boy you are having next! So how did Zoe go overnight in her own room? When we moved Ivy for the first time I was so sad. I kept looking at the spot in my room where she used to be which was now an empty space. I loved having her in my room, but admittedly I actually get a much better sleep now she is in her own room, as I dont hear all the tiny grunts and groans.
Sonja - Poor Scarlett, I hope she is recovering well. At least she enjoyed the ride in the ambulance :-) Oh, whats helicopter parenting? Ive not heard of it before.
Bourbon - Not long til the paed appointment, hopefully he can shed some light on things for you. Ivy has actually started waking a lot more too, so I wonder if its their age and starting to teeth?! If only they could talk and tell us whats wrong.
Big helolo to everyone else, hope you enjoyed the weekend even though the weather was miserable.
Im ok to move the catchup a week earlier or a week later. We should book it in soon though so we can all pencil it in our diaries, otherwise we all get booked up with other stuff too.
Ivy has started rolling from back to tummy now...I used to be able to leave her on her activity mat on her back while I did a few things in the kitchen, but now she flips over on to her tummy Im a bit worried to leave her unsupervised even for a moment. I love seeing her do these new things, but its just proof that she is growing up SO fast.
She had a rough night last night, lately she has been waking up more and more...its like she is slipping back to what she was like before, although not quite as bad. Last night she woke 7 times and I was in there rocking the cot trying to settle her. Im not sure if its the start of teething or not as she is generally more unsettled. Her daysleeps are pretty non-existent atm too. Anyone elses bubs changed recently?
Bonny - Marc changes constantly. Sme nights he's great then other nights are terrible. Could she be hungry? I think that's why Marc wakes, or if he has a tummy pain. After 3 kids to be honest I don't even think about it as I know it'll change again soon. Helicopter parents are parents who hover over their kids all the time in case something bad might happen. While I certainly don't want anything bad to happen to my kids DH and i believe kids should so far as is reasonable learn through experiences rather than us telling them what they can and can't do. It's basically how we were raised.
Can we make the catch up the 1st? I'll definitely be able to make it. It would be great to see how the babies are growing.
Bourbon I hope you get some answers soon. When i say we don't get overly worried about the reasons for Marc's waking, it does still drive me nuts at times, and when he clearly has a pain it's distressing. I hope things resolve for you soon.
Always - what a freaky experience. Are you and DH planning anymore babies? For some reason I thought you are stopping at 1.
Ok gotta run. We have no power here and no water so it's been a fun morning.
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