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Sorry it's been a while..babies take up so much time!!!
Bourbon - oh lovely, I remember that late pregnancy swim..it's bliss! Not long now...I can't believe we'll both soon have babies in our arms...doesn't seem that long ago we were chatting at Concept about acupuncture waiting for egg pick up.
Piper is just lovely. She is sleeping really well at night, so I'm feeling very rested most of the time. She is an incredibly active and alert baby during the day, so not getting a lot done as she wants to be with me and be held most of the time. I've tried her in the ergo to try and get some hands free time which she just wriggles in, so she may be a bit small yet. Breastfeeding is going well and she does A LOT of it during the day and as a result is putting on lots of weight. She is such a long baby, that length wise she has already grown out of some of the smaller four zeros clothes. It all just goes so quickly. We've had a few little outings, but I'm still trying to get the hang of folding my pram which doesn't seem easy so that we can go a little further a field in the car.
Hope all the other new mummas are doing well...can't believe how many babies have been born in such a short period of time.
LeeLee - it so seems like yesterday when i was nervously sitting next to you waiting for my first egg collection discussing acupuncture! I cant believe how much has happened since then and that we both thankfully made it in the end.
Piper sounds like an angel, sleeping and feeding well, pass some of that magic dust this way for when mines born :laughing:
Leelee - great to hear how u are doing. sounds like its all going pretty smoothly. yay for a good night sleeper! I think as long as you are rested u can handle so much more during the day.
Indi's going well. Just having lots of little pains which wake her up quite a bit. She's happily sleeping in her vibrating chair at the mo which my son also loved. Hoping its not silent reflux like my son and that its just her digestive system getting used to everything. i got some colic mixture from the padbury pharmacy to use when I'm desperate at night and that seems to help. I moved her into her own room last night and got a much better nights sleep as a result. I've been reluctant as she had a cold (courtesy of my son) and her breathing sounded terrible.
hope everyone's doing well x
Well Im back at home now and enjoying my time immensely with Ivy.
I just wanted to pop in and thank you all for your congratulations on the birth of my little girl. Ive been trying to jump on for the last few days but have found it near impossible to find the time.
Ok, my birth story...and I’ll try to put it in as much of a nutshell as possible otherwise I could go on forever.
Tuesday morning I went in to the hospital for inducement at 7am. About half 7 the ob came in and broke my waters. I was worried it would hurt, and was pleasantly surprised that I felt almost no pain at all. She said I was already 2cm dilated and cervix looking great, and if I wasn’t being induced, I would have possibly gone into labour that day or the next anyway.
Drip was put in and within about 5-10 minutes I was having contractions...which were coming about every minute!! It took me completely by surprise as I had expected a few minutes between each contraction for a rest, but I got no rest at all. I also started feeling nauseous and began vomiting every hour, on the hour! Having a contraction at the same time as having my head in a spew bag was definitely not pleasant!!
By 10am I had had enough and asked for an epidural. It didn’t actually work straight away, my right side was numb but I was still feeling every contraction on my left side every minute or so. I got a top-up at 11.30am and had to lie on my left side...which to my relief worked, and I got complete cover from the epi and didn’t feel any more contractions, just the tightening on my stomach.
Ob came in at 12pm and said I was 8cm. I was still spewing my guts up, yuk!!
2pm and I was ready to push. OMG, I couldn’t believe the time had come. After all this time waiting for a baby, we were about to meet her. I pushed for over an hour and Ivy Mae was born at 3.06pm. Far out, what a job that was to get her out!!! Ob said I had very ‘non-stretchy’ skin, I was pushing and pushing but hardly getting any progress. I felt like my head was about to explode and my eyeballs gonna pop out the sockets, haha. She said if I had ‘stretchy’ skin, I would have had her within half the time.
Ivy didn’t cry at all, she was placed upon my chest and just looked at me. I was stitched up and we had an hour or so in the birthsuite to bond, then went through to our room where we made the calls to our very anxious parents! It was the best day of my life.
We had 5 nights in hospital, seems like a long time but DH and I figured we may as well take advantage of having everything on-hand...meals prepared, linen, nappies, midwives expertise etc etc. We are still trying to figure things out and feel like we are fumbling around in the dark. But Im assuming we will be fumbling for a long time yet. Its a completely different world.
Its surreal when I think about her journey so far. January 2010 I had EPU and she was snap frozen for 6 months. Then on 4th July 2010 I was going in for FET and was called on the morning of transfer to find out that the first embryo had failed to thaw. I was so upset at losing an embryo. They thawed another one and I was advised it was ‘average’ looking, and I had that transferred. Before I had the BT I began bleeding, and DH and I assumed it was all over. I had to go for the BT anyway. And I was floored to find out that even though I was bleeding, it was a BFP!! That FET is now my little girl. Im still getting my head around believing Im a mummy.
Bourbon - I think you are next is that right? Only a few more days. How are you feeling?
To the new mums - Ivy is sleeping fantastically during the day. She feeds well and then goes to sleep soundly for hours at a time. Then once the sun goes down she starts screaming and just wont settle. This has happened every night since coming home. Anyone got any idea why this might be happening, or how I can attempt to alter her routine so she will be more alert during the day, and sleep at night?? I suppose this is the million dollar question.
Hiya Bonny - awesome story! Brought a tear to my eye ;). Not sure if any of this well help but try doing 3 hourly feeds during day - no longer. after each feed in the day change her nappy to try and wake her a bit and give her a bit of awake timeon a mat or in a chair or talking to her. keep her in light and noise in the day for her sleeps. At nighttime try and create a routine like bath, song and bed at generally the same time each time (7ish). Don't take her out of her room if poss at night and keep it very dimly lit for feeds and nappy changes and don't talk to her at all. change her nappy before a feed at night (opposite to day) so she'll conk out after feed. elevate her cot mattress in case she is getting a bit of relux (affects them more at night) with a towel so its slanted. Try not to feed her everytime she wakes in night (if say less than 3 or 4 hours and try to resettle instead). consider using a dummy at night.
hey can u tell i had a shocker the first time! Just some little tips I learnt. This one not so much better at night mind u! same thing I think the pains etc.
I hope everyone is well. Thought it was time I updated with my birth story.
I started having contractions at midday on Sunday (20th). They were about 5 minutes apart at 4pm so my DH made me phone the hospital. I told them that I wanted to stay at home longer (hoping to make some good progress). By 9pm they were 3 minutes apart - so i decided to head in.
Well - at that point the head was still not engaged and I was only 1cm. So they gave me a couple of sleeping pills and I tried to get some rest. Not really that successful due to the pain of the contractions.
At 2am my waters broke - and the bad news was that there was meconian (sp?) in them and I was still only 1cm dialated!!!
They told me that I would need to stay in bed with a trace on and had to decide whether I wanted an epidural as the aneathetist was going home as he was on at 7am in the morning. They gave us 15 minutes to discuss as i initially didn't want one. However, I thought there was a good chance I'd need a C-Section so decided to have one so I wouldn't need General in a rush.
So, I had the epi and slept until 7am, when they checked and I was 7cm dialated. I slept again until 9am when my Ob arrived and checked - I was fully dialated and good to go. Bub was finally engaged!!!
Ob wanted to use a soft vaccuum to help get bub out quickly due to the meconian. So 3 pushes later I had a beautiful baby boy. Paed had to check him over, but he was all fine and hadn't swallowed anything. It was so funny seeing DH face when he saw the testicles as he was convinced we were having a girl!
He is such a good little thing - active during the day - only wingeing before he empties his bowels and sleeping for 5-6 hours at night.
My milk didn't come in until 5 days, so he lost 11% of his birth weight by Day 4. But by expressing and using formula Top ups for a few days he was back at his birth weight at his 10 Day check.
Motherhood is exhausting, but amazing. I just look at the little facial expressions he makes when drifting off to sleep and feel so much love.
He was our very last chance at IVF (I only got two follies before EPU) - he was the only egg that fertilised and he's a big strpping lad in the 75th percentile for weight. Just goes to show what miracles they are. :yes:
Love the birth stories!!!
Bonny, I've got the opposite, a babe that generally sleeps very well at night, but fights it during the day.
I can't complain really but it does make it very difficult to get anything done during the day as she just wants to be held or played with when she's not feeding.
I'm not sure what sleeping arrangement you've got, but I hired an Amby baby hammock for four months and have found that a life saver. It tilts them up slightly so helps with any reflux, plus they are quite cacooned, as its womb like. But the best thing is, I have it pulled up right to the bed and can just bounce it whilst half asleep and in bed and that often puts her to sleep or keeps her asleep for a while if she's stirring. You might want to give it a try...let me know if you're interested and I can pass on the details of a woman who hires them out here in Perth.
If she's really not wanted to sleep though, I sometimes try the lying down feed with pillows and duvet away from us and we often drift off to sleep together that way. Sometimes I then transfer her into her hammock, other times we just co-sleep. Is really helping me get night time sleep which makes the day seem so much more manageable.
I hope you find something that works for you soon!!!
Ivy is asleep so I thought Id take the chance to pop in.
Mrs L - Thanks for the tips on sleep during the night. Its just so difficult knowing what is right and wrong, its all trial and error...and we feel like we are just fumbling in the dark atm trying to figure out what works and what doesnt. Just when we think we got something that works, the next night its the opposite. haha Im sure Im not the only one! I have currently been feeding in the loungeroom as thats got a comfy chair, but tonight I'll try and do as you suggested, and just feed her in the room she's sleeping in.
Sooz - great birth story!! I love hearing them. Wasnt it just the most amazing thing having your bubba placed on your chest. I will remember that moment for the rest of my life. The whole 'birth-day' just blew me away. Despite the pain. My adrenaline and feel-good hormones must have been through the roof :D
Lee-lee - Thanks for the advice on the amby baby hammock, Ive never heard of it before. I'll check it out as soon as Ive finished this. Sounds pretty convenient though, and comfy for the babies!!
Bourbon - countdown....so close now!!!!!!
Other new mummies - hope you are doing well and settling into life at home.
hope everyone else is doing well.
Hi ladies, I thought I would tell you my birth story, sorry has taken me so long to post!!
Where do I start!! I had been having mild contractions since 4.45am and by 12pm they were becoming quite strong..stopping me in my tracks! I lasted home til 3 and we got to hospital at 3.30pm. By now the contractions were very strong coming less than 10mins apart, sometimes 3mins.
Dh tried to give me the massage and accupressure we had practised beforehand but at the time I couldn't handle him touching me!!..so much for that! so I hopped under the hot shower and I think I sat there for about 3 hours..I recommend, it does feel better! I was in the bathroom sitting on a chair in the shower while DH and the midwife sat in the room having a luvly chat! Now and then DH would come and give me water and change the song on the IPOD!
By 6pm I'd felt I'd had enough and called out "Epidural"!! and by the time I got one it was just after 7pm. Total relief! I laboured until just after 1am the next morning and Isla was not loving the drugs- syntocin-used to help bring on contractions, her blood pressure kept dropping dangerously low and they began to think I'd be having a caeser! I was so disappointed as I'd laboured for soo long,but she surprised us and allowed me to deliver naturally!
OMG when they first put your baby on your chest!...its the best feeling in the world, nothing prepares you!
So needless to say, I'm living on adrenaline..not had alot of sleep so far but this is what we all expected!
As bourbon told you, I have had some problems with bfing which REALLY did upset me...especially day 3 (the day 3 blues are REAL) She started off on the bbs and was fine but by day 2 it was obvious she wasnt getting enough and I wasn't doing it properly (my nips were cracked and bleeding) so I had to substitute with formula and express my milk..not so easy! She then got used to the bottle (much easier for them..no work!) so when I decided to try to BF again, she would scream when I put her anywhere near them! so upsetting! especially as the midwives really push for you to BF! I had just about given up on the idea, thinking I would have to express my milk all the time, when yesterday a new midwife (Seriously,you see a new midwife 3x day..never the same one!) she asked if she could help and although I was totally over it (and them!!)I decided to try one more time...to..SUCCESS! So all I can say is Thank God! and thanks to that midwife!! she has saved me hours/months of pain! I don't know anyone that hasn't struggled with it so don't be disheartened if you don't get it straight away..persevere..it can take weeks!
Things I thought of to tell you..
- I wish I had packed a little night lamp or light as the lights in the room are quite bright and the nightlight they have may still be in the wrong spot for you.
- Pack BIG undies! helps keep the pads in and much more comfortable
- Pack a cardigan and socks, they keep the temp cool in hospital
- Pack Rompers for bubs that are full body with studs..also because its cold and the studs much easier to deal with when changing nappies.
- Have a visitor free day.. don't be afraid to say no to visitors, I ended up having a couple days on my own..really needed it!everyone understands.
- The day 3 blues DO exist, I know not everyone gets it but I certainly did..I think the stress of bfing issues didn't help but I cried uncontrollably that evening!
- cabbage leaves are good for sore bbs!
- they say sleep when baby is sleeping but believe me the adrenaline runs through your body and its hard to!..I'm only realizing now I NEED to do this!
- and remember....It's YOUR baby!! You will get all the advice from the midwives and it is good, don't get me wrong..but sometimes they conflict with each other and you end up very confused! You will work out your baby,so take on board what you are told but don't be afraid to do what you think is best.
CONGRATS TO SOOZ, What did you call your gorgeous boy? thanks for sharing your birth story xx
MrsL- thanks for your tips!! I have a little screamer, she gets herself worked up in an instant when she wants something (usually food)
bonnybaby- how are you going? I've been bfing on both sides since yesterday, but my poor nips are still tender!!!
Thanks for sharing all the birth stories - having had a planned caesar this time I forget sometimes the thrill of labour and the wonder of not knowing what's going to happen next. All of your stories were amazing.
We're doing ok - we've had a very sick family since I got out of hospital - first DH, then Lucy and this week was Scarlett's turn. Scarlett had bronchialitis several times as a baby so when she gets sick she gets really sick, which has made for a very stressful and sleep-free week. Most nights DH and I are up with one or all of them a few times - I think I'm getting somewhere between 4 and 5 hours maximum sleep. But we're doing ok - Scarlett was a bad sleeper so I'm used to getting up most nights anyway. I've been trying to keep Marc germ free but it's hard. So far he seems to be ok.
I agree with MrsL's tips - my only addition is if you think reflux might be an issue or you have a chucky baby (which Marc is), keep the baby upright for about 20 minutes after each feed at night - if they have wind or indigestion they won't settle straight after a feed. I'm pretty slack and feed every time he wakes - I usually don't remember when he last fed anyway. For the first 3 months it's really about survival and doing whatever works for you to get through. Don't worry too much about creating bad habits or sleeping through - the head of one of the Sydney sleep clinics gave a lecture about baby sleep and said that based on his years of working with babies, about 15% of babies will naturally fall into a routine, 15% will never fall into a routine (my DD1) and the other 70% will fall into a routine about 4 days a week and the other 3 days will be feral (my DD2).
In addition to Hayls' tips, I'd say take a really comfortable pillow to hospital - the hospital pillows are awful. I took my pregnancy pillow and it was a lifesaver. Hayls - the rooms in SJOG are crazy how bright they are at night - the red lights at every power point did my head in and were a big part of the reason I left early - I felt like I was sleeping in an East German night club. They rang me a few days after I got home for feedback and it was my only complaint and the midwife said it's probably the main one they get. That and the air conditioning vent being right above the baby bath area. You can tell the rooms were designed by men!!
Bourbon - good luck !! You must be so excited!!!
Better run - heading to bed soon before Marc wakes for his first feed tonight.
Omg I just watched a demonstration of a catheter being inserted into a bladder .. I'm terrified!! They do it for cs after your numb yeah? What about taking it out?? Aah :-(
Bourbon it doesn't hurt that much. I had one with no anesthetic at all just before I birthed, it was a bit of a pinching feeling but otherwise no biggie. Only lasted for like 5 seconds The worst bit was that he didn't tell me it was coming so I jumped a mile.
Don't get worked up about it, so not worth the stress.
Bourbon I didn't feel it going in or coming out - don't worry you'll be fine.
One more coping with baby tip - if your DH snores, get him to try one of the stop snoring products on the market. We had a really bad night with Marc last night and walking the floor and breastfeeding for 3 hours was unpleasant enough without having to hear DH pleasantly snoring beside me. Drives me insane!
Thanks for all the reassurance, I was working myself into a frenzy!
I guess sometimes the thought of things is worse than it actually is.
Sooz and Hayls - thanks for sharing your birth stories. I love hearing them. Can't believe u both waited so long for an epi! I'll bet next time you'll walk into the hospital backwards :laughing:.
Bourban - as the others have said it is very quick and painless. Mind u I'm glad I never saw how it was done cos I'm sure it doesn't look pleasant. The nurses have very quick hands thankfully. And on top of that u are about to meet your baby so u are racing with emotions rather than worrying what they are doing 'down there'. also tip for u with having a caesar is to buy some big nanna knickers that come up really high as more comfy with your scar and u prob won't want to put PJ pants on so I'd grab some long nighties (possibly long sleeved as cold in hosp) with buttons down the front for BF.
Sonja - OMG hope u are coping ok! That is way too many night interruptions u poor thing.
My hubbie also snores and is a bit of a night owl whileI try and have v early nights. I've sent him to another bedroom so I only get disturbed by Indi. He gets up with DS in the morns and I hopefully catch another hour. Not much of a marriage but theres plenty of time for that once the newborn days pass :rolleyes:.
New mummies - are u finding your hubbies a good support? The early days can be very hard on your relationship so don't feel disheartened if its not all love and special moments. The guys also find it quite hard to bond with a newborn esp when u are the only one that can feed them etc but it all comes later. My son and DH have formed such a bond now that Indi has came along and due to me having a caesar and him having to do all the bed routine etc. Its really lovely. Of course it means Indi misses out on him a lot but I know their time will come too and ATM she doesn't know any different.
haylz - yeah good tips. the nightlight really annoyed me in hosp too. Can't believe mat wards don't have a dim feeding light!?!
Well I think Indi is getting a little better. She still wakes very regularly in the second half of the night. Can I ask new mummies are your bubs awake much at all in the day yet? I can't remember from last time when DS started to have more awake time. Indi seems to want to sleep after every feed still and only really stays awake after a bath...
Sonja - how frustrating hearing your Dh snore soundly while you're awake, tired & looking after bub! My Dh snores at times too and it drives me insane even worse when ur sleep deprived!
Hope Marc settles a bit more soon for you.
MrsL - thanks for your tips, all very handy. When I was packing my bags I googled things to pack for a cs so I have my extra lge granny knickers ready lol and nighties, one cool one warm suitable for bf and 2 very loose waisted (one maternity so comes up high) tracky pants plus a HEAP of other stuff that may come in handy. I left my book out in the end coz I think I'd rather try napping than reading!
I've been told the catheter gets done after the spinal so I hope so! I shouldn't have watched the vid!
Glad Indi is going well :-)
Hayls - how are you coping with motherhood? Was the nurse helpful that came to your house? How is Isla sleeping & feeding?
Bonny - how's Ivy? Was your trip to bunnings a success, did she need feeding?
Good on you for being out & about so soon, I'm going to be a hermit for a while!
Sooz - how are you and bubs (elliot isn't it?) going? Hope you are well. Was it you who wanted to be included on Emmas mummies group?
Hi to everyone else.. Babydreaming haven't heard from you in a while hope you're ok..
AFM: doing a TON of washing/ironing today .. I'm sure I just did this not long ago lol.. Last load before bub gets here. TUES OMG!!
bourbon- You won't feel the catheter one iota!! no need to worry! xx Isla is feeding well, sleeping on the other hand..she's loves to be on our chest, the bassinet not so popular! I heard from another mum that this is pretty common so I hope she will grow out of it!
good luck for tuesday (I know I keep saying it!!) I'm just excited for you...rest up bourb's!! be kind to yourself!
MrsL- I will be backing up if there is a next time believe me...epidural epidural!! I don't know why I was trying to be so brave! Isla sleeps alot through the day, I try to keep her a bit awake for a few minutes after a feed (the so called playtime!) but she dictates when she will stay awake. She much prefers to be awake a bit at night..which I am trying to change by feeding her with dim light and not talking to her,then trying to settle her as soon as possible..they even say not to change nappy each night feed (unless of course it is necessary) I'm trying to do 3hrly feeds through the day so she has 4hrly at night..works sometimes!!
Sonja- I hear ya on the DH snoring!! I am actually sleeping in the lounge with bassinet for that very reason..plus I have my bfing chair there and everything set up. My DH has a cold at the moment so I'm dreading if she catches it!
ps. I also keep a feed diary..of the time and which bb she last fed on..otherwise I'd be stuffed!!..I'd have no idea!
hi to everyone xx
For anyone who's interested this is the website for hiring an Amby hammock http://babyhammockhire.com.au/
Well Piper is one month today and really it's simply flown by. We went to the Autumn River festival in Ascot today. Lovely, but of course Piper got well over excited by all the people, music and fresh air and really fought sleep all afternoon. We got a cake and a zero candle and sang her happy birthday to celebrate her one month birthday.
I've got a great night sleeper, but she stays awake most of the day. I'm sure that's not normal for a newborn, but hey... I'm just going with it. I get lots of lovely smiles which is just so rewarding. We are having play time and story time now. Most of the time she looks at me like I'm mad when I'm singing silly songs at her, but she has started little cooing vocalisations the last couple of days, so I'm enjoying that.
We've started the transition to cloth nappies. I was holding off until her legs got a bit chubbier, but she's put on about 1 and a half kilos and is pretty much out of her four zeros stuff already (sob) so decided to dive in. So far so good..I've only got 12 nappies though so need to by a few more to avoid washing them every day. They are just so cute...I've got some with chickens on them and some with owls...awwwww!
Hi to all everyone. Goodluck for Tuesday Bourbon..squee...so excited for you!!!!:smiliedance:
We're going well. Elliot is still sleeping well at night - I keep on waiting for my luck to change. My dad and step mum arrive on Saturday so I'm lucking forward to that. My dad is planning on doing lots of cooking and restocking my freezer :-)
I'm on my phone so I'm trying to remember personals...
Sonja - I hope everyone is better at home.
Mrs L - I will definitely not pussy foot around before getting an epi next time! My DH has been amazing with elliot. Which is just as well as I am the main breadwinner so he'll be looking after the little man 3 days a week when I go back to work.
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Hayls/Bonny - how are your little girls.
LeeLee - sounds like you are loving every minute.
Bourbon - not long until we get another new addition. Will it be a girl or boy? Everyone thought I was having a girl... Everyone was wrong!
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sooz- sounds like Elliot is being a dream! Isla had a very very restless day yesterday, hardly slept and when she did it had to be on my or Dh chest! She made up for it though by having a good sleep last night, and after her feeds I was able to put her back into her bassinet and she fell pretty much straight to sleep. This morning she decided she was going to have a few 2hourly feeds rather than 3-4hrly so don't know where she's going with that!! Dh seems to be the baby whisperer and is able to get her off to sleep, whereas I think she smells milk on me and doesn't settle quite as easily!
leelee- thats gorgeous having a little one month old cake!! It's sad how quickly the time goes already! Isla is 2weeks tomorrow and it only feels like yesterday that I had her! I am looking forward to more interaction with her though..so far she seems to like my singing but that could very well change when she can really let me know!!
:cheerleader2: ROLLCALL: PERTH NEW MUMS 2010 - 2011 :cheerleader1:
Bourbon11646 - CS booked 6 April (Due 14/4), Gender Surprise, Beldon - moving to Ellenbrook around May
Bebedream - Due 13 April, Boy, Kardinya
babydreaming2009 - Due 6 May, Girl, North Perth
Jamot - Due June, Boy, NOR.
Rinche - Due 14 August, TBA, Stirling (but moving to Aubin Grove in April)
Trishalishous - Eliz abeth Lini ey Rose Arrived - Girl - Wilson
Narribri - Talia Arrived Nov 2010 - Girl - Cannington
Sniggle6 - Cooper Arrived Nov 2010 - Boy - Lives in Melb - Moving to Perth in May.
Fruittingles - has a 3yo & 7 month old - Baldivis
Chelez - Lila arrived December 2010 - Girl - Kardinya/Coolbellup
Sonja - Marcus Arrived March 2011 - Boy - Trigg
LeeLee - Piper Arrived March 2011 - Girl - Guildford
MrsL - Indiana Arrived March 2011 - Girl - NOR
Sooz - Elliot Arrived March 2011 - Boy - Hamersley
Hayls - Isla Arrived March 2011 - Girl - Innaloo
Bonnybaby - Ivy Arrived March 2011 - Girl - SOR
I'm just bringing the roll call forward. Bourbon and Bebedream - not long now...
When would people like to meet up next? The idea of getting anywhere on a schedule is slightly daunting, but I'm willing to give it a try. It'll be so funny seeing the bumps replaced by babies!
The time for a catch up is when they are tiny - they are very portable then as they tend to fall asleep wherever. I'd be happy to have one soon but understand for others they might not be feeling so confident yet.
Glad to hear all the babies are doing so well. Hayls what you're going through is perfectly normal. Marc had a growth spurt between 2 and 3 weeks and fed like anything and didn't sleep much. My only tip with breaking the cycle of babies sleeping on you is to put them down once they are asleep. If they stir, roll onto the side away from you and pat their bottom until they calm down / start to fall asleep. the first 12 weeks are generally the toughest.
great to hear how the new mummies are going!
Just wanted to pop in to wish u luck for tomorrow Bourban!!! Its all so serial and such an amazing (and scary) experience. I knew I was going in for a caesar and I knew I was pregnant but I was still :eek: when they pulled a baby out - crazy, crazy!
Hayls - yep, I remember the two week mark and Piper definitely went through a growth spurt and fed ALL the time. It will likely settle down. It's so cute when bubs fall asleep on us isn't it, but not entirely practicalm especially during the day when you want to grab the opportunity to actually get something done. My little one doesn't seem to want to sleep on me anymore and I miss it already.
I'm keen for a catch up whenever, though I won't have the car for a week or so, but after that am good to go. I haven't met anyone except Bourbon yet, so am looking forward to it. Looking at the roll call, I can't believe how many March babies there are!!!
Good luck tomorrow Bourbon. I hope you're enjoying your last night of solo sleep without a wee babe attached to you. :laughing:
Hi yes I'm keen for a catch up too and agree with Sonja - the out and about will only get harder. now's the time!
Any news yet bourban??? My money's on a girl! :cheerleader1:
Bourbon - News yet????
Mrs L - In regards to support from DH's, mine has been fantastic. I couldnt have asked more of him actually. He has another 5 weeks off work and Im not looking forward to him going back as he is such a help around here. Lucky that Indi sleeps after all her feeds, I would love Ivy to do that.
Hayls - haha yeah I'll also be yelling 'epidural' asap next time, it was such a blessing when it kicked in. Funny that Isla and Ivy seem to be mirroring each other, I suppose they are exactly the same age so it makes sense. Ivy was also feeding every 2 hours yesterday, I couldnt understand it as normally its between 3-4hrs. I didnt realise they had growth spurts so early on.
Sooz - Great that your folks are coming on the weekend, and your dad will be doing some freezer meals for you! Take it while you can I say!! We have been eating through our freezer meals and I'll have to stock up again soon. hmm yeah I agree on meeting to fit a schedule will be a bit daunting at first, but am willing to give it a whirl.
leelee - How long is Piper normally awake during the day for?? I was also of the understanding that newborns slept a lot during the day...but how wrong was I!!! Ivy just does not sleep during the day. We try to settle her, but as soon as we lay her down she cries. We can see she is soooo very overtired but she just wont nod off. A couple of days ago she had 2hrs sleep from 6am til 9pm!!! Thats crazy...2hrs sleep in a 15hrs period. No wonder she is overtired.
Sonja - How is are the sick people in your household? Hopefully all recovering well.
:wave: everyone else.
Bebedream - not long, everything organised??
afm - Ivy 2 weeks today, cant believe how fast it has gone already! No wonder people say it goes by in a flash, I certainly believe it. Ivy hasnt been a good day sleeper, but is great at night, so we cant complain. We had a photographer out the other day to do a newborn shoot with her...she grizzled the entire time so I hope we got some good shots anyway. Poor DH had to change his clothes 3 times as Ivy spewed on him, ****ed on him, then pood on him :D:D rather him than me.
just a tip for bfding - put a hair lacky on the wrist of the side u need to feed on next. also the iphone apparently has a app u can download where u input the time of feed, sleep breast side etc.
bourban - hopefully you're holding your little one now!!!
Luca Chase was born today 1:52pm, 6 pound 11 ounces, 50cm perfect gorgeous little boy :-)
Ive been throwing up heaps so tummy very sore where cs done :-(
Can't wait to feel better so I can enjoy him & feed easier.
:celebrate: Bourban - congratulations on your beautiful baby boy.
Sorry that you've been sick - but I'm sure the joy of seeing your little one surpasses everything
CONGRATULATIONS Bourbon on the safe arrival of your baby boy Luca Chase!:celebrate: Blue it is!!!
Hope you feel better soon!
CONGRATS AGAIN TO Bourbon and DH on the arrival of little Luca Chase! I'm so happy for you xx
:hyper:CONGRATULATIONS BOURBON AND DH ON THE SAFE ARRIVAL OF LUCA :cheerleader2:
Hope you feel better soon. I had a terrible cough after Lucy and remember how much pain it was every time I coughed. Hope you get to enjoy your little boy very, very soon.
CONGRATS BOURBAN ON THE BIRTH OF LITTLE LUCA! :cheerleader2: :cheerleader2: :cheerleader2:
Bourbon - congrats on Luca's arrival!!! Yay!
bonny- yes it seems Isla and Ivy are copying each other!! Although you are lucky that Ivy is such a good night time baby! Isla is having trouble with wind, I think she has colic so it's upsetting her a bit..and keeping me up! DH and I picked up our pregnancy photo yesterday, turned out really nice..we have booked Isla in for her photoshoot next sunday so hopefully we will get some nice picy's too! I must remember to take a couple changes of clothes for dh and I after hearing your story!!
Poor . It must be horrible having pains that you don't umderstand. Hayls, you must be exhausted.
We tried to get a passport photo for Elliot but he refused to wake up and look at the camera. It was very stressful. We'll need to go another day as we missed our interview because of it. We fly to the uk at the beginning of june with our little Aussie.
Back to meet up. Are weekends better so those still working can make it? Any preference on where to go?
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Weekends are good for me so I don't need to take Scarlett, but am flexible. Bourbon's had a caesar so she won't be driving for a while. Maybe we should wait til she's back online and see how she's going??
Hayls - Marc also has bad wind and if we can't get it up after a feed he can be up for ages - last night he was up for 2 hours bringing up wind (3am til 5am) til I finally gave up and brought him into bed with me and he slept soundly til 7.30. It's so distressing seeing such a tiny little baby in so much pain.
weekends prob work better for me too so hubby can look after our son. Pretty sure Bourban and I had the same ob which means she''s be out of action for 4 weeks.
I also have one of those babes. Each night is pot luck. I find she usually gets worse as the night goes on (I prob just keep feeding on top of the wind in a desperate attempt to get her back to sleep) but usually from 4:00 she now sleeps in her vibrating chair in the loungeroom. I find the vibrations and the rocking (when she moves about uncomfortably) seems to get her back to sleep and keep her that way longer. In the lounge is far enough away that she won't wake myself or my son with her grunts and groans but close enough that I can hear her if she cries out. Poor little thing :(.
Sonja- its awful seeing them in pain isnt it! I do the same with Isla, put her on my chest and she usually will fall asleep..but not last night, nothing seemed to work.She was up from 3am and so restless. I think she changed her witching time from early evening to early morning last night!!
sooz- that must have been stressful trying to get a passport photo! Especially as they are so strict these days on what is acceptable! good luck for next time!
I agree to maybe wait til bourbon is ok to drive and have a catch up then!
Never get time or reception at the moment.
Luca doing very well he is so cuddly & cute! We go home sun but won't be driving for a while, you guys catch up & ill make it when i can.
Milk came in yesterday, bub feeding alot but sometimes attaches to nipple so they are getting sore! Lactation nurse said I'm doing everything right it's now up to luca to learn but he's doing great :-)
Babies in room next to us cry non stop ALL night, the Dh only gets 20 mins sleep & man are they loud. Even the midwives can't settle these two screamers, wonder if something is wrong with them, can hear them right now they keep us all awake. Poor parents how distressing.
Had a photoshoot yesterday in hospital but luca kept frowning lol! We are getting a cute blue birth certificate with his photo and birth details on it they look great and a big framed pic of feet hands face and one full body one.
It's been SO hectic in hospital. I'm in pain still, ob surprised I have big bruise on cs cut and massive bruise on arm from iv.
Was up and about day after cs but hurts to walk. Ivf hyperstimulation & 10cm ovaries hurt more though.
Gotta go my lil Luca needs me.
Talk soon, hope u all well, miss you all!!
oooo congratulations Bourbon and welcome Earthside little Luca. I LOVE the name...Luca was in my top two boys names.
I hope you're enjoying snuggling up at home with Luca and getting waited on hand and foot!
Good to hear your milk has come in and Luca's got a good latch. I had sore nipples for a few days, one got very bitey and I used a nipple shield just on that one for about 36 hours, just to give it time to heal which worked a treat. Now little Piper (or not so little anymore) has got the swing of it all and we even managed to breast feed in the pitch black in the middle of the night a couple of nights ago as the power went off :eek:
I can't wait to meet him. Enjoy!
How's everyone doing?
Bourban have u recovered ok from your throwing up and c/s?
Leelee - how's piper going?
hayls and sonja -have Isla and marcus been sleeping a little better for u?
sooz - did you manage to get your passport photo? I think you're very brave travelling so far!
Bonny - is Ivy still doing well at night for u? what about the days?
UTDers - Who's up next? Can't see the roll call from here...
AFM - Indi's has been a lot better at night. unfortunately she caught yet another cold. second cold and only 4 weeks old! crazy. luckily we only had 1 really bad night with it where she couldn't manage to sleep more than half an hour to an hour at a time and was awake for a couple of hours. I went to bed at 8 and by 4am i'd only had 3 hours of broken sleep - was awful!since being better she's managing to a bit of a stretch at the beginning of the night but can still be a little unsettled towards the morning and yes I caught it as well - groan. The last 2 nights she's slept in her bed all night tho rather than making the move to the vibrating chair which is a big achievement! :smiliedance:
oh also back to the catch up - any suggestions for where? kings park was quite good last time tho might be chaos on a weekend!
I'm still here but trapped in the world of reflux and sleep deprivation, and generally being insanely busy with the 3 kids. Had DH's parents here last week which was lovely - they were great with all 3 kids.
Re a catch up, I'm probably out for the next couple of weeks as it's school holidays now and we've got quite a bit on until after the 2nd weekend in May (7 and 8 May) so my first free weekend is 14 and 15 May - where is the year disappearing to??
By the way, just throwing it up as a question but do you think we should ask the mods to move this thread to the pregnancy thru IVF section?? I know the original intent was that any new Perth mums could join but I think we're all IVF anyway and I find I lose track of this thread because it's not in the section I generally post in. Just a thought and happy either way.
Hope everyone else is getting more sleep than me!
Hey ladies, Just a quickie as Im trying to catch up on ten million things at once...
I agree with Sonja, I too lose track of this thread (and lose where its located) so if it was in the IVF section Id be able to find it a lot easier. Maybe a majority vote.
Sorry for no personals atm. The days disappear before my eyes. Ivy changes day to day, just when I think I have her sussed, she throws a curve ball my way. Some days sleeps like a baby, then other days she will not sleep a wink. I currently have her in the baby bjorn as this is the only way she will sleep in the daytime now. Its cute and cuddly...but its very restrictive on what I can do still.
Sooz - We got Ivy a passport pic during the week. It took ages as they are so strict. She had to have eyes open obviously, but also her head has to be dead straight. Everytime I had it straight and moved my hand for the pic, she would turn it again. Eventually got there tho. Good luck with your next attempt :yes:
Hopefully I can get around to some personals during the week. Anymore bubs been born???
No time to post but if u want to move the thread go for it, let me know when it's done so I don't lose it :-)
Having newborns does restrict internet time, doesn't it ;)
We went down to Margaret River last week and had a great time. My dad is having a blast - he's off seeing Bob Dylan today.
I'm happy to meet at King's Park. We're free any time apart from the beginning of June when we're in the UK.
We finally got the passport pic - now we need to get the passport.
Hope everyone is travelling well.
ha ha! I think its funny that nobody's had a chance to change their signature yet!
where are the mums to be...
Ok I'll bite the bullet and ask the mods to move us to the pregnant thru IVF thread - I really want this little thread to thrive - I love my other threads - particularly now I've moved state and I need my online network more than ever - this thread is great bec we can all have that benefit but also meet up! I know how the Adelaide thread has thrived and it'd be wonderful if this thread did as well.
Everyone happy to call it "Perth IVF, mums and mums to be" ??
That's fine but there are also some non ivf mums here too & I want them to know they are still welcome ;-)
Just quickly...yep I'm up for a meet, mid May might be good...Bourbon, do you think you might be up for a meet by then? I hope you and little Luca are travelling well.
Kings Park sounds good. I met a friend with her bub there yesterday and we got take out slushies and sat on the grass...lovely as my bub doesn't tend to do too well laying flat in a stroller, so I could let her wriggle around on a rug on the grass. Happy to meet in the cafe though as well but might just have to walk the little one around a bit if she is Miss Cross Pants (my new name for her when she is grizzly) :rolleyes:.
On a positive note, she slept for over eight hours the other night (though it was a one off as last night she woke three times - pretty normal) but I guess it does show she is capable of it. I couldn't believe it when I woke up to her grunting and looked at the time and the daylight!!!!! I thought she'd be screaming for food too, but just gave me a big smile - little love. My boobs weren't happy though (ouch :freakingout:) and neither were the bed sheets...was worth the trade off though to get my first long stint of sleep since she was born. Go Miss Piper!!!! :hyper:
I have moved this thread to the IVF section as requested.
Thanks Katiesmum but can you put a comma between the IVF and mums as some non ivf mums are here. Sonja
I'm still reading but haven't had time to post much. It's 11:40pm & I've just fed Luca (thank god he's now sleeping!).
I hope everyone is doing well and babies born are thriving. They really are amazing and I feel blessed every day when I stare at my lil Luca :-)
I have a post op appt in mid may & can't drive til after that from the cs.
Recovering very well.
To tell you the truth I'm terrified of leaving the house without Dh (except for walks in pram), Luca is only 2 wks 2moro and very unsettled still with no routine.
Was anyone else scared of their first 'outings' with bub?
I'm worried I won't be able to settle him in public & as for bf in public ... Rather not!
Guess I should get off my phone & get some sleep while i can!
Take care all
Mid May is fine with me. We finally got Elliot's passport photo. They are so strict. There can be no hand etc on the shot. He needs his mouth closed. I was one stressed mummy trying to get the money shot, as time was ticking away. Then my friend wrote on the form that she had known Elliot for 2 years (the time she had.known me) - so tje application was rejected...
On positive news Elliot has taken to sleeping for 7 hours in a row in his first night sleep, followed by a huge nd I mean huge feed and another 4 hours. Lucky Mummy. DH goes back to work tomorrow so he's moving into the spare room tonight (which also happens to be our 5th wedding anniversary). How romantic!
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bourbon - I've still not taken elliot out alone! However, we take him out most days. I personally find it easier carrying him in a bjornbaby than pushing a pram... I have no problems with bf in public, which makes it easier. Have you considered expressing before you go out? Newborns aren't supposed to have any routine. They are used to getting what they want, when they want. I feel very lucky that DH could take a month off, it is so much easier with a second pair of hands.
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Bourbon I agree with Sooz don't stress about a routine while he's still so little. Just enjoy these early days. As for going out, I remember feeling very overwhelmed the first time I took Lucy out on my own (and she was 6 weeks old!) - I felt like a fraud walking the pram. I couldn't walk it in a straight line and kept bumping into fences. The only thing for it is practice. You're lucky DH's has time of with you and you can get out together - I'd try and get out together as much as possible.
as for bf in public - I've never had a problem wiith that - as far as I'm concerned I'm feeding my baby and anyone else can get stuffed. However, I did live in inner city Melbourne and let's just say there were often people around me who I didn't really didn't want to flash my boobs in front of. I drape a wrap over my shoulder, or wear a breastfeeding singlet with a loose top over it and find I keep myself covered that way. You'll get the hang of how to hold him comfortably as well. Again, it's just practice. I tend to avoid breastfeeding rooms if I'm alone as I once was leaving one in Myer in the Melbourne CBD when I noticed a man entering alone - might have been completely innocent but I would have been alone in there with him and my baby, and that made me feel quite vulnerable. BF rooms can be in quite isolated places in shops and if they are I don't go into them.
Hope to see you all soon. I took the kids to sticky beaks on Monday morning and it was gorgeous weather - so much nicer than that really hot day we had there a few months ago!
Hey Bourbon - good to hear from you, I third what the others have said, don't worry about a routine, just follow Luca's cues (I know sometime easier said than done :rolleyes:) and go with the flow. Piper knows day and night now, by me keeping it all dark, talking quietly at night time etc.. so she goes back to sleep pretty quickly after a feed but the day time is a bit all over the place. Those first trips out alone are daunting I know...I've tried to get out as otherwise I go stir crazy, but I've found trying to just do something really small not to far afield is the best way to go and to do it when baby has had a sleep and a feed to give myself the best chance of a happy baby. Maybe a trip to the library or even just a walk around the block. I have so far only been to the local shops where I can just come back quickly if she gets cross.
Re BF, I agree with Sonja, you are feeding your baby and have a right to do that anywhere. I think it's one of those things you just have to take the plunge with and once you realise that no-one really gives two hoots (that's been my experience anyway) it'll get a lot easier. Again, maybe try easy public breastfeeds, i.e. in the park where there aren't many people or a mothers group which will build you up to when you are in a cafe or somewhere super public and bubby screams for booby. I found the first couple of times daunting, but felt really liberated afterwards.
Sonja you made be laugh about wheeling into fences, that's how I feel when I take the pram out. Mine is super hard to collapse and I went to the Autumn River festival a couple of wkends ago and fell over trying to collapse it to put it in the car just as a man was trying to help me :eek: :laughing: I mostly pop her in a baby carrier which is much easier.
Sooz - bummer about the passport after all that..sounds stressful :( My understanding was the Baby Bjorn wasn't good for little babies spines as it weight bears on a thin strip of material...Having said that, I know one of my friends found it was the only thing that worked for her colicy baby. I have an ergo, ring sling, woven wrap and a stretchy wrap (sleepy wrap) and have had the most success with the sleepy wrap, she sometimes goes to sleep in it curled up against my chest and leaves me hands free. I think the ergo will come into its own when she is bit older but it was too hot for her with the infant insert in this weather and she likes having her legs out a bit.
I've just got the munchkin to sleep, today she was not quite knowing what to do with herself and we've moved from room to room trying out different things :freakingout: Now she sounds like she is being chased by monsters then intermittently chuckling to herself - very cute!!!!!!
wow, its hard to get the time to post!
I too find it daunting taking Isla out on my own and so far I've taken her to mothers group at the community centre twice now..both times I've walked in the door to see most the other babies asleep in their prams, some bfing and in I walk with screaming Isla!!! Luckily once I get her out of the pram (which I also find bumping into doors etc being the "L" plater I am) I'm able to settle her!
I'd be happy to catch up sometime in May, King's Park cafe sounds good..
LeeLee re the baby bjorn - I also heard that and did a lot of research as our last baby bjorn fell apart after Scarlett so before we bought another one I wanted to look into it. There's a lot of stuff on the internet about it and to cut a long story short it's not worth worrying about - the design is fine. I tried a few other slings but found none of them as easy to use as a baby bjorn. Also, once Scarlett got head control she hated facing forward in the ergo and also hated being on my back so that got sold on ebay. So much of it is trial and error (can be expensive).
We've hit the 6 week unsettled period with great gusto. Marc's been so unsettled for the past couple of days and I'm discovering how hard it is with a 2 year old and a 5 year old as well. Thankfully this is only a short period (:fingerscrossed:).
Sounds like mid May at King's Park is looking good.
I'm bf Luca while typing on my iPhone, nothing like multi tasking!
He has been very colicky & unsettled at night times usually keeping me awake screaming til 2;30am! It's been hard in the evenings but day times he's perfect! In saying that, last night we gave him an early bath, feed & straight to bed in his bassinet (not rocker in front of tv) and he slept from 4pm to 5am!! I woke him twice to feed him & change pooey nappy & he went straight back to sleep!! Who's baby is this and what have they done with Luca?!!
Going to my sisters for lunch today with the family - an outing for us!
I hope everyone is going well with their beautiful bubbas, they are such a blessing in our lives :-)
Its great to hear how everyone is going even tho I'm sure it changes daily and what u typed a week ago is prob completely diff to what bubs is doing now. I know thats my case!
Sonja -Indi also very unsettled at the mo. why is this a 6 week thing? first i've heard of it.
Bourban - I'm a very organised person like u and it drove me crazy with DS not being able to get some kind of routine happening. I tried and tried but it was honestly not until about 6 months when things fell into a more predictable routine. This time i've learnt to go with the flow a bit more because despite what u do babies will be babies! The more u get out and about the more comfortable you'll become. just make sure u pack the nappy bag and car all ready so when she wakes u can feed and go. that'll buy u a couple of hours of free bf time and you'll leave with a happy bub. aslo learn where the mother rooms are at shops for when u need.Also if u went thru margo she clears u after 4 weeks for driving. u don't need to see her.
funny story - when i first had my son I didn't know that mothers rooms exsisted so when he was hungry i'd race to the ladies shoe section in target and feed on a seat in there as I knew i could sit down and there wouldn't be any men around! :laughing:
halys - after about a year with my mo group we all confessed that we thought our babies were the most whingy etc at those meetings. I think it juts seems like everyone elses is so settled and you're so concious of your owns cries.
Leelee-well done sounds like Piper's slowly getting herself into good nighttime habits! I think I may have to get one of those wraps.
sooz - u are so lucky with a great night sleeper! the days are sooo much easier to handle.
I'm up for a meet mid may! sounds great. did we say weekends were better or weekdays? where has everyone else gone????
Well little Indi has not been a happy baby lately :no:. she's doing a little better at night managing 4 hours sometimes but other times only 2 hours. She has not slept in her bassinet as she just keeps waking for about 4 or 5 days now and we can only manage to keep her aleep in her vibrating chair so she spends all night in it and I'm going thru plenty of batteries! She wakes and feeds and appears to conk out but then about 3 mins later wriggles and cries in pain and continues to have these 'attacks' for up to about 15 mins so now i hold her thru these and then when she seems past them I put her in her chair anbd continue to rock her thru anither couple until she seems in a deep enough sleep. Sometimes she wakes and we start all over again. Unfortunately this means I can be up for about an hour each time and then may only get an hours sleep before she wakes again - ouch! Does anyone have any idea what could be going on here? I'm thinking maybe reflux...
MrsL- sounds like Indi has some wind. I'm having same issues with Isla..you feel soo sorry for them as you know they are uncomfortable and in some pain! I bought the brauer stomach calm, its homeopathic so not medicated and it seems to help SOMETIMES..to be honest, when she gets it really bad nothing seems to help and I find I'm nursing her alot.I try to keep her upright as long as possible after a feed to help with the wind. sometimes a warm bath also helps.
sorry I'm not alot of help, I think they just get through it eventually but could be a few months!!!
Hi everyone I hope you don't mind me crashing your thread. I was in the Perth IVF thread not long after it first got started :) I have only just seen this thread. I have a 19mth old DD who is full of cold and driving me insane. I look forward to getting to know you all and hope you all have a great Easter.
Mrsl 6 weeks old is generally regarded as the peak of a newborn's unsettled period. I believe it's also a wonder week. If you google wonder weeks you'll find out a lot more info. Marc's been very unsettled at night spending lots of time asleep on either DH or my chest while we lie in bed. He'll only go into his swing if he's almost asleep or already asleep. He never falls asleep in it. He often wakes 2 hrly at night and by the time I've fed and changed and settled him I get about an hour to half an hour's sleep then we start again. Marc has reflux and is on losec. Might be worth looking into for Indi. If it is reflux in my experience you're better off going to meds quickly as it makes them extremely unsettled and even after the reflux goes the bad sleeping remains. Marc's been on losec for a week and a half and I think he's starting to improve.
Re timing of the catchup I don't mind. If it's weekday it'll need to be morning and I'll spend most of the time walking around after Scarlett so I'd prefer weekend but understand if the majority prefer weekdays
Great hearing about everyone and how all the bubbas are going. Makes me feel that we are not so alone in having an unsettled baby. Oh except that Sooz, you are one lucky woman having a settled baby in Elliott. Im jealous!!!
Mrs L - What you wrote sounds just like Ivy. She doesnt like sleeping in her bassinet, and will only sleep if we hold her, or in the rocker. We put the vibrate on it too, and DH has on a few occasions had to run out and buy new batteries :rolleyes:. We will put her down, but then a few minutes later she will wake up screaming in pain! Hold her until she calms, then put her down...then she wakes up screaming again within minutes. Its very upsetting. At night she often wakes every 50 minutes or so, and we havent had her asleep for more than say 2-3hrs in a block since we left the hospital. Really not sure what to do about it, however I have spoken to Ngala a couple of times and they have been extremely helpful. They suggested it could either be an extremely overtired baby, which means she will have trouble getting to sleep as she is already overtired...or it could be reflux.
We are doing a workshop through Ngala on Wednesday to learn about settling techniques and how to read babies cues for sleep and feeds etc etc. Hopefully we get a lot out of it as we are still feeling in the dark a lot.
In regards to going out, luckily for me, DH is still off work, so we have gone out a lot together. But so far I havent really gone out with Ivy on my own. Its pretty scary. Ive BF in the mothers rooms in shops, but not in public yet. I think thats something I will bite the bullet on in the near future as I cant go forever not feeding in public!! I think Im just too self-conscious and for some reason Ive got it in my mind that some perverted old man will walk past and stare at my bazookers :eek: haha.
Im happy to meet in May at Kings Park...it might be my very first outing on my own as DH will be back at work then!!
Happy Easter everyone and have a great weekend.
Btw, who knows how to remove a ticker, I can't see how to get rid of it.
Cashahn - welcome!! I hope your bub starts to feel better soon.
Wow seems we r all going through same thing! And what's with these magical vibrating rockers!! Luca loves his too!
Tried to bf with a shawl today while out but it was too hard. Made me & luca very hot & bothered! Ended up just going into spare room & bf there. Don't really want to b flinging my boobs out in public, not so much in front of women just the men. Especially since I have to spend time maneuvering my nipples so luca attaches!! Would b easier when he just latches on then I wouldn't care so much..
Happy Easter everyone!!!
We r trialing our 2nd night of early bath-feed-bed so far so good, cross ur fingers lol!
Bonny - going to Ngala is a great idea and I wish I'd done something like that with Lucy in the early days. Good luck. I'm sure we'll be asking you heaps of questions! I still remember so clearly the first few weeks at home with Lucy having no idea how to settle her once she stopped sleeping after a breast feed. I'd lie her in the cot and we'd just stare at each other - until she let out an almighty scream. I remember all the focus being on the birth - not what the heck you do with the baby once you get home!
I had a horror evening with Marc - DH had taken the girls to a birthday party and he basically screamed on and off from 3 til 7. It's so hard to know whether it's reflux or exhaustion. In the end I wrapped him up, put him on his side in the cot and walked away - Scarlett had done a huge poo hat had to be dealt with and DH had gone to the footy with clients. Marc was asleep in less than 30 seconds. Makes me think sometimes all the rocking, walking, patting etc I do just keeps him awake.
Bourbon - I hope lady luck strikes again for you.
Well I have 3 kids asleep and an easter basket to fill so I'd better go do it.
Cashahn - welcome. I remember you from one of the other threads - I hope you can make the meet up in May.
Have a lovely day tomorrow everyone.
Hi all :wave:
I think I accidently unsubscribed myself so have a lot to catch up on. Big :hugs:to those with unsettled babies. I feel very lucky that Miss P has been a pretty content baby (touch wood) and sleeping at nights. I don't think she's had any reflux or colic, though she does some pretty mega farts sometimes (but seems to find them funny rather than painful) :laughing: I know some people with screamy / unsettled colicy babies have found cutting out dairy helps. Might be worth a try for a week or so and if it has no effect then I guess it's not that. Are the poos green at all or frothy as that can be a sign of dairy intolerance?
Mrs L - funny about the shoe department!!! Sorry to hear wee Indi is not a happy little vegemite..I agree sounds like either reflux (possibly silent) or colic or both - big hugs!! The wraps are great..if we meet up in May I'll bring it along and others can have a try. There is knack to tying it but once you've mastered it they're awesome.
Sonja - totally agree about the trial and error with carriers..I heard wonders about ring slings, so bought one and Miss P didn't like it. Luckily baby carriers seem to have pretty good resale value.
Bourbon..awesome to hear about the sleeping :fingerscrossed: you're onto a winner. I know what you mean about BF when you're working on the latch...once they start to learn what to do it's so much easier to do in public. Having said that, Miss P has started to pull her self off and have a little looksie around if there is something more interesting going on :eek:
As for me, well this is the third night in a row that Piper has gone to sleep at around 8.30, so hopefully she is naturally falling into a pattern. The last two nights she's then slept for six and seven hours straight before waking for a feed. She then tries to play, so we might have an hour to an hour and a half of wakey time, then she'll go to sleep for another couple of hours. :smiliedance: Day times are still much less predictable, but then I'm often out and about so she sleeps in catnaps of 20 minutes to an hour. It is starting to get so rewarding now as she is making lots of cooing noises and smiling heaps. She makes one noise which sounds like hello, so I say hello back and do this on repeat and it feels like we are having a conversation - super cute!
Shall we plan a date in mid May then..Bourbon, when can you drive?
LeeLee I think Marc may be lactose intolerant. I used to have a hot chocolate every night before bed (have done for years) as it helps me sleep but noticed he did mega poo explosions the following day. Our dr suggested I cut back on dairy altho not completely which I've done and no more mega poos. I now only have milk in tea and one coffee and he's fine. It definitely gave him tummy aches.
What is the wrap you're using?
I knew it was too good to be true... Luca slept 4pm-9pm & is now crying with wind. gave him water & infants friend & have put his rocker in the bassinet which the child health nurse recommended.. Bit nervous about it but we will see..
Sonja, I'm using the Sleepy Wrap...much cheaper than the Hug a Bub but basically the same thing - I think it was $45. I find it great for being hands free.
Bourbon..have you though of trying a baby hammock...I know I say this to everyone, but I honestly think it is the best piece of baby equipment I have. Piper sleeps like a dream in it...this is a link to its benefits http://www.babyhammocks.com/mbhfaqs.htm I hired mine for $90 for four months which I think is pretty good. If I'd known how good they really were I might have bought one and then re-sold it, but hiring them is pretty good too as you just never know.:)
So last night Piper settled in about 9pm and slept through until 5.30am this morning...whooo. I thought she'd be starving, but she just had a small feed t and quiet play for an hour, then she went down for another two until 8.30am. Very civilised. As this is the third night of going down for a long sleep at that time I'm :fingerscrossed: that this is a pattern. She is awake much longer in the day though. She's just gone down for a nap and it's nearly 2pm, though she did have a snooze on the boob for about half an hour. She only got a bit grizzly just now though, so hopefull she keeps on cruising through the day.
Anyone know of any Huggies nappies on sale?
IGA had the boxes on sale last week for $29.95. I bought a box midweek so if the sale lasts a week it should still be on.
Great Sonja thanks for that!! Will definitely look tomorrow, I don't think I was quite prepared for the amount of poo explosions lol!!
I know! But don't make the mistake I've made and buy too many newborn boxes as they do outgrow them very quickly. Marc's only 6 weeks and is already in infant sized nappies.
That's why i didn't buy too many but now I'm running out! They r too big on him too so hopefully they last, he loves his poos haha
i use cloth, so much cheaper :)
yeah I bought some from IGA yest so should still be on sale. woolies always has them for 33 now which is pretty good but 29.95 is the cheapest they seem to get.
cashahn - welcome :wave: lots of colds going around at the mo.
leelee - wow that night is awesome so early on! I'm trying to remember your story. are u doing this solo?
Sonja - It can be so hard juggling the other kids as well as a newborn. Poor Indi often gets left to fend for herself due to a demanding toddler! I've read diff things also about cutting out this or that but its so hard to try and pinpoint something specific esp when your bub couldv'e just had a good night after eliminating something from your diet.
Haylz -I've also tried the stomach calm stuff tho really not too sure whether its done anything.
bonnybaby - yep sounds like we have the same thing going on. I contacted Ngala a few times for my son when he was a younger. I'm pretty sure he had reflux and unfortunately found that Ngala knew their stuff for the average baby self settling techniques etc but couldn't really help out when it came to a medical issue. unfortunately if a baby is suffering fromn reflux there is not a lot u can do apart from what u are already doing and u might just have to wait for time to pass. One lady at Ngala told me once "just roll with it". I was so mad at the time but looking back it really was all I could do. Now he sleeps beautifully from 7 till 7 and at the time I never would've thought we'd get to that point.
well I should prob try and get back to sleep. gotta love a bit of insomnia on top of sleep deprivation :rolleyes:
My phone app seems to have broken, and as I don't seem to get much time to go on the laptop, I'm a little behind....
Does anyone else have difficulty finding the Infant size of Huggies? Elliot has just about grown out of Newborn.
Bonny/Mrs L/Hayles - I'm sorry that your bubs seem to be having trouble with reflux/wind/collic. It must be awful seeing them in pain. Elliot had one day of trapped wind and it broke my heart.
I thought I'd list the dates of the two weekends in mid-May to try and set on the best date...
Venue: Kings Park (I think..)
Saturday 14th May
Sunday 15th May
Saturday 21st May
Sunday 22nd May
As you can see - I have no social life!!!
:wave: to everyone else - I have no memory for personals at present.
I saw someone asked if it was ok to crash - sorry can't remember who - sorry. The more the merrier...
sooz80 Infant nappies only come in the plastic bags. Infant nappies are an inbetween size and do not come in box's.
thanks Samara you've saved me a trip to the IGA!
Sooz I bought a box of the next size up from infant as from memory both girls were only in infant for a short time before moving up.
Saturday 14th May
Sunday 15th May
Saturday 21st May
Sunday 22nd May
Saturday 14th May
Sunday 15th May
Saturday 21st May
Sunday 22nd May
Not that I have a social life either just having my teeth whitened on the 21st thanks to a scoopon i bought while preggo. fingers crossed I can manage to have it done and bubs doesn't want a feed mid whitening!
Ivy is 5 weeks tomorrow and has just about outgrown the infant nappies!! She is a little chubba!! And we have over-bought too.
Leelee - Where did you hire the baby hammock from? I checked out the website, they seem pretty pricey so I wouldnt mind looking into hiring one. Ivy just is not sleeping well at all, so Im at the point of trying everything and anything to get her to sleep.
On a side note, Ive got mastitis and it is horrible. I feel like Ive been hallucinating due to the fever and chills. Hoping the anti-biotics do the trick soon :fingerscrossed:
Saturday 14th May
Sunday 15th May
Saturday 21st May
Sunday 22nd May
haha no social life for me either :rolleyes:
Bonnybaby - I hired the hammock from a woman who runs the business out of her home and is lovely...this is the website http://babyhammockhire.com.au/ You can do a two week trial and then extend if it works for you. Definitely worth a go I reckon. Poor you with mastitis :hugs: that sucks big time. I can empathsise as I think I've got thrush in the breasts. Both breasts are tender, slightly burning, it hurts to have clothes against them or when little Piper scratches with her fingernails (disprportionatley painful) and they are itchy when she feeds. I rang the ABA hotline this morning as feeding is still fine, doesn't really hurt, but I don't want it to get to a point where it does. So went to an after hours GP, I'm putting thrush cream on the nipples. Piper thankfully doesn't have signs of it in her mouth so hopefully treating the breast will clear it up. Sigh....you'd think breast feeding would be easier :no:
Saturday 14th May
Sunday 15th May
Saturday 21st May
Sunday 22nd May
Funny how pre-baby it was hard to find a time to meet, we all had stuff going on and post baby none of has a social life :D :p (aside from teeth whitening that is).
Mrs L, I chuckled and the possibility of a feed mid whitening :eek: :laughing: it's hard to get five minutes for me time isn't it!!!!! Yep, I am doing this solo..which at times as been hard, but luckily Piper has been has so far (and I don't want to jinx myself) been a really easy baby. It's solo by choice, so can't complain really and the upside is at nights I don't have to worry about waking anyone up, we can just chill out in bed. Though last night was eight hours of solid sleep again :cheerleader1: fourth night in a row..dare I say it is a pattern :fingerscrossed: It is early, but physically she is jumbo baby (6kg at 7 weeks) so I wonder if that has anything to do with it. Who knows, it all seems pretty random sometimes, I think I've got something sussed and then she mixes it up. :yes:
Trishalicous..yep I'm using cloth too. I used sposies for the first couple of weeks though when her legs were skinny and she was smaller as they are bulkier, but now we're into the swing of it I love cloth. There are so many cute designs it's a bit addictive. My favourite are her Issy Bear owl nappies - love them :p
Leelee - thanks for the website for the hammock hire. Ive just emailed her now to see if she has any available. Sounds like we both have issues with our boobs...I thought breastfeeding was supposed to be carefree too, but it seems even that has its own set of issues. Hope you get well soon!
Bonny - I had mastitis when bf my son. it was horrible! I just slept and slept and felt really nauseous. Pumping after feeding helped to 'suck' it out too. plus plenty of massaging in a hot shower. I've tried to keep really on top of lumps this time as so frightened i'll get it again. I'm with u trying to find something to lengthen those night time sleeps. Like u Indi seems only capable of about 3 hours and that only seems to happen once during the night. the rest are 1, 2 or 2.5 hours. occasionally she has done a 4 hour but I'm wondering how long I can go on with such broken sleep!
leelee- wow! am so impressed u are doing this alone. what a brave decision. Just out of interest does Piper self settle in her bed? Just wondering if that is your secret to success...
samara -what are Marcus' symtoms for reflux? Still trying to decide whether that is whats going on with Indi...
Hi MrsL - I assume you're asking me about Marc's reflux and not samara? Sorry if I'm confused so I'll answer anyway :)
Scarlett had silent reflux so I knew what to look for, Within 5 minutes of a feed, both babies would screw their faces up like they are in extreme pain. Both Scarlett and Marc have white tongues, snotty noses, distended stomachs. there are lots of different symptoms if you google them you'll find out. The only difference was the Marc would throw up after feeds (projectile) whereas Scarlett's was silent ie it never came up but would burn her throat).
HTH. Even though Marc's is getting under control he's still not sleeping very well. I'm used to it though as Scarlett has only just started sleeping through again after not sleeping through since we moved here late November :(
sorry yes sonja I was asking you - just a case of the post birth baby brain :p
Sonja - that sounds like what Luca has...
No worries. Thought it was either that or exhaustion. ;)
:cheerleader2: ROLLCALL: PERTH NEW MUMS 2010 - 2011 :cheerleader1:
Bebedream - Due 13 April, Boy, Kardinya
babydreaming2009 - Due 6 May, Girl, North Perth
Jamot - Due June, Boy, NOR.
Rinche - Due 14 August, TBA, Stirling (but moving to Aubin Grove in April)
Trishalishous - Eliz abeth Lini ey Rose Arrived - Girl - Wilson
Narribri - Talia Arrived Nov 2010 - Girl - Cannington
Sniggle6 - Cooper Arrived Nov 2010 - Boy - Lives in Melb - Moving to Perth in May.
Fruittingles - has a 3yo & 7 month old - Baldivis
Chelez - Lila arrived December 2010 - Girl - Kardinya/Coolbellup
Sonja - Marcus Arrived March 2011 - Boy - Trigg
LeeLee - Piper Arrived March 2011 - Girl - Guildford
MrsL - Indiana Arrived March 2011 - Girl - NOR
Sooz - Elliot Arrived March 2011 - Boy - Hamersley
Hayls - Isla Arrived March 2011 - Girl - Innaloo
Bonnybaby - Ivy Arrived March 2011 - Girl - SOR
Bourban11646 - Luca Arrived April 2011 - Boy - Beldon
Long overdue for an update. Bourban - not sure what font u used if u want to fix up your name and details.
Bebedream - According to this u may have had bub???
Saturday 14th May
Sunday 15th May
Saturday 21st May
Sunday 22nd May
Hello ladies, I've put my name down..can do every date except the 15th.
bonny- that sucks that you've got mastitis! must be very painful,hope the antibiotics kick in soon. are you still breastfeeding ?
sonja- It sounds like Isla definately has the reflux too. She does a lot of blow offs too though so probably wind and reflux!
I had to express for one of the feeds last night (had a wine!) and oh boy...my bb's became so engorged later..and still now! I haven't been worrying about using breastpads lately as haven't needed to but this morning I woke to a puddle!!
Hi all, thought I'd pop in and say hi. Congrats to all the new mummas! I have been reading posts, and trying to keep up, but I'm taking notes on all ur experiences. :-)
I thought I'd better give a quick update.... Baby is a girl! We would be just as stoked if it was a boy though. We r not keeping it secret, but have only told a few people the name we have selected.
Our house is almost ready to move in. We have been using the Easter break to finish the inside. Almost done now - thankfully, cos I'm exhausted. Carpets go in on Monday, so we'll start the move gradually next week. I've been planing on how I'm decorating bub's room and have purchased wall stickers from eBay. Can't wait till they arrive!
Sorry if this is too much info - but does anyone have advice for constipation? I need to buy some benefibre, but am having some trouble in that department. ;-). Other than that (and my kankles from being on my feet so much lately) I've been feeling great and enjoying my pregnancy.
Oh :hugs:to those whose bubies have reflux..poor little things, it must be tough. Especially when we spend all that time feeding them and then they vomit it all back up..frustrating :(
Mrs L..no, Piper doesn't self settle, I either feed her to sleep or bounce her on the fitball. If I feed her to sleep she normally wakes a little when I transfer her into her hammock, but I give it a couple of bounces and most of the time she drifts off. I get her out of her hammock if she grizzles as I don't want her to associate it with being scary or where she cries. I think I've just got lucky TBH...not sure if it's really anything I've done. I've got better at reading her tired signals and have tried to set up a loose pattern in the evenings. I give her a bath or strip wash. Then we've started going for a walk around the block in the wrap now it's a bit cooler and I point out all the things in the neigbourhood to her. Then when we get in, I dim the lights in the bedroom, put on a relaxation CD of waves and music on repeat, give her a long feed, then she goes to sleep. Last night she went down at 7ish, but actually woke twice for a feed. Tonight we're back to 8, so see how that goes.
Rinchie - great to hear from you! Not too long for you and you'll be moving from the IVF thread to over here. A girl :cheerleader1: so super exciting. I got some wall decals off of ebay to and had great fun putting them up in the nursery (which is just a play room at the moment).
Hayles - I'm hearing you with the leaky boobs. I've gone back to sleeping on a towel as it's no fun waking up in a HUGE wet patch all the time.:eek:
Rinche - I hear ya re constipation, I had it bad during my pregnancy. My Ob recommends a thing called Colocaps (tablets u swallow) which are safest during pregnancy as some of the others contract the uterus. You can buy it over the counter at a pharmacy. I found though that what always worked without fail was prune juice. Not prunes themselves which can block you up but the juice which is quickly & easily absorbed.
Yay to having a girl!! Have you done the nursery? Very exciting :-)
Hi to everyone else, on my iPhone in between feeds/nappy changes!
Sunday 22nd May is looking like the winner so far.
Had a shocker last night. Marc wouldn't resettle after I fed at 1030, Scarlett was up twice and Lucy in our bed with nightmares I must have had 2hrs total I think. Then had to take kids shopping for winter clothes for Lucy this morning. Just home now. Thankfully it,s a short week Marc has Scarlett's cold as well.
Hope everyone else had a better night than me!
oh sonja that sounds terrible! Early night for u tonight! Hope marc's cold doesn't last too long. Indi's wasn't too bad and on the upside she slept her best 2 nights after the cold prob making up for sleep.
Ta for that info lee lee. Always interestingo to hear how someone else is doing.
rinche great to hear from u and yay for a girl! Sorry can't help u with the poo query ;)
haylz I've also been having enjoying a nice wine. Oh I've missed it! I don't express tho just do it straight after last feed
Hello everyone else x
I keep forgetting to say that if u do think reflux is at play you need to avoid acidic foods like tomato, onions. I also find coffee and chocolate (depressing I knw) exacerbate Marc's reflux.
Big Hello Ladies :wave:
And huge congratulations to all the new Mums. :celebrate:
Have just had a quick flick through your recent posts - and it is so lovely to see everyone sharing hints and tips with your newborns. Can't wait to join you - hopefully next week! Eek, that is kind of a scarey thought... haven't had a chance to really reflect too much, as I've just finished work today:hyper:
Hopefully, I've now got a week to put my feet up and chill out before the big event.
Looking forward to hearing bebedream's news - her bubs must have arrived by now...
Enjoy your maternity leave baby. Get as much rest and "me" time as possible :)
One thing I thought I'd mention for those with leaky boobs at night. I use Avent washable breast pads overnight. They are a godsend. They come in packs of 6 (3 pairs) and are super absorbant. I wouldn't use them during day as are a bit bulky. They cost around $10.
12:30 ... Still trying to get luca to sleep *sigh*
I think the evil wind is to blame..
Bourbon I really feel for you. Our first 2 were exactly like that. It's very distressing. Do you think he could have reflux?
Sonja - I have no idea but it's now 3am & he's still crying & I'm a zombie :-(
Maybe I'll just join him & cry too..
How awful for you. I remember one evening with Scarlett she started crying at 3pm and finally stopped at midnight. I don't know whether it's reflux or colic or just being an overtired baby. There's a really good book called the happiest baby on the block that we read when Lucy was tiny and so unsettled. It really helped settle her. If you want I can mail you my copy if I can find it. Might give you some help. Hope you got some sleep eventually.
The only thing that made it easier second time around was knowing it would pass and the crying would stop. Eventually. The first few weeks can feel very long. My sister always says babies smile at 6 weeks otherwise mothers would send them back.
I know a lot of people say not to use dummies but they are honestly a lifesaver at times. they say it helps refluxy babes due to the sucking motion and I know even tho indi hates to be given the dummy once I finally get her to take it she settles immediately. give a go if u haven't already bourban and those with reflux.
had a pretty good night last night and a shocker the night before doing the hallway march after every feed to try and settle her only to get back into bed for an hour before she woke again :(. I'm now trying indi on losec (reflux medication) but don't honestly think it making a difference. sonja did any of your kids have that?
funny u say that about the smile sonja as I got my first one last night. just that little smile that melts your heart and makes it all worthwhile :p.
babydreaming - great to hear from u! are u coming to the catch up midmay? dates are a few pages back...
MrsL Marc's been on losec for 3 weeks and I think it's helped. We've had to play around with the dose a bit to get it better. He still vomits but not nearly as much as before. He's still quite unsettled though. I agree with what you said about dummies too. Frustratingly Marc doesn't like them but they can be an absolute saviour in the middle of the night.
Bourbon how are you today?
I'm good today thanks, weird coz even with no sleep at night I still feel awake during the day.
Not looking forward to another all nighter though.. Guess I should be positive but poor bubby is showing signs of wind already.
I use a dummy all the time as it helped him learn to suck properly when he had problems on day 6.
He loves the dummy, problem is when it falls out or he is so worked up that he won't take it..
sonja - how much is marc on at the mo? Indi's having 5mg (half tablet) but i'm thinking of seeing if an incease to 10mg might help more. she has the silent type so no vomiting but constant waking after feeds.
didn't see u there bourban -its amazing how little sleep u can survive on hey? try dipping dummy in gripe water when worked up :)
Hi everyone sorry you all seem to be having a hard time with your bubs, I remember those days so well. Sophie was a catnapper and snacker and spent every waking moment crying. I ended up using a dummy and found burping her several times throughout her feeds made a huge difference, she was able to fill her tummy more, vomited less and in turn slept longer. I hope you all get some well deserved sleep soon.
MrsL Marc's on 5mg a day. I found it took at least a week to see any change.
Thanks Cashahn :-) how is ur bubba doing?
Has anyone taken bub to a chiro? We have been told by nurses & friends it can make a huge difference?
Anyone know one NOR that's good w babies?
Bourbon I think you need a paediatric osteopath if you're looking for relief from reflux. I know a few friends in melb who did this. There is apparently an excellent one in perth. Maybe ask you CHN. I'll see what I can find out too.
Bourbon I have been taking Sophie to a chiro since she was 7wks old (although she rarely needs to go now) and I think that was definately the turning point in when things started to settle for us. I highly recommend a chiro by the name of Michael Blair he works at Belridge chiro on Ocean Reef rd. He is awesome, gentle and the ONLY chiro I would ever allow to touch my little girl.
Thank you for asking how my bubba is, well all I can say is WOW I really wasn't prepared for the tantrums that she has been throwing lately. This morning we were at the shops and I was holding her hand and she threw herself on the floor, when she got up she wouldn't move her right arm so I rushed to the hospital thinking she had broken it but luckily she had just popped her elbow out which she seemed to pop back in whilst waiting to see the Dr. When the Dr called us in she didn't want to stop what she was doing so threw herself on the floor again this time backwards and cracked her head on the floor :cantbelieveit:. After being examined and monitered for a while we were allowed to go home and again she lost it, screaming and kicking. Thank god she is asleep now. I reckon she could give any 2yr old a run for their money in the tantie stakes :freakingout:.
Anyway I hope you all have a great weekend :)
Wow Cashahn that must have been a terrifying experience for you. My DD1 didn't throw a tantrum til she was 3 and then they were very mild. I suspect DD2 is capable of much worse but being the middle child doesn't really get much of an opportunity to really go for it. I hope this is a short stage for you! Sorry I can't remember are you planning anymore babies? Sounds like you've got your hands full!
Thanks for the info on the chiro. I thought it was an osteo but now I remember it is a chiro. How often did you go? What did they do? I think Marc's getting better but it would be worth a try.
Am having a lovely time on my own at hairdressers in west leederville. Have left DH with 3 bottles of EBM. Hope he survives 3 kids! Have my birthday party next weekend so need a touch up. Hope you're all enjoying the gorgeous weather we're having.
Sonja it was so scary, I felt awful as well but apparently it's a very common injury in toddlers. Her tantrums are totally out of control and I don't know what to do I fear she is ADHD like me. As for having more no my partner already has 5 so Sophie is number 6 for him and I think she is equal to having 6 rampaging kids lol.
I have only needed to take Sophie to see the Chiro about 5 times and the last time he didn't even charge me as he didn't need to do anything ( I actually see him myself) he will check the alignment of the spine and neck and also have a feel around bubs tummy he never does anything bone crunching just gentle manipulations usually while Bub is sitting on his knee unless he needs to work on the neck which he will lay them down for but again it's always gentle. I fully recommend it. Hope you are enjoying your pampering and happy birthday to you :)
Cashahn - oh great I live around the corner in Beldon!!! That works out fantastic as I was about to start researching where to go but am happy to go to one you recommend & especially since it's close!
How old is your bub now?
That tantie sounded distressing for you. Boy can I relate to & feel empathy for parents with crying children now!!
I hope Sophie gets over the tantrums or whatever was causing the problem and it's not ADHD. It's so hard not knowing how to soothe them.
Sonja - sorry I missed ur call.. Crazy day (again) with me pulling an all nighter trying to settle luca.
AFM: previously I wasn't always burping Luca after a feed as I got told don't have to by ABA but now that I do it helps with his wind pains. Last night he slept great for a few hrs but then it was an all nighter for me. I got angry at DH too coz he promised to help me since he's not working next few days but he snored & slept whole time!! He would b really grumpy if I woke him too so I was quite P off at having no night help for last few nights. We argued but talked about it this morning so hopefully gets better. I don't mind feeding, nappies getting up, I just hate soothing to sleep & putting down coz he is so unsettled & it takes ages & is exhausting.. Gotta run luca crying
This thread has been a lot more chatty lately, and its great hearing how everyone and their bubbas are goin, which is great as it makes me feel that Im not alone.
Rinche - Congrats on the little girl :cheerleader1: time to start shopping hey!! The contipation drove me insane when I was preggers, it was so bad I was scared Id need a trip to the doc to clean me out :eek: but I think I just had a really bad case of it. I would take metamucil every morning (a double dose) and I would take 3 Coloxyl tablets each night before bed, recommended by ob. Constipation is a horrible feeling, hope you can get on top of it.
leelee - Hey there, we managed to hire one of the hammocks you recommended, however we have had no luck so far. The 1st night between DH and I, we bounced her for HOURS!!! No exageration. She would eventually drop off to sleep after about 50mins of bouncing, then when the bouncing slowed down to stationary, she would wake up screaming. We repeated the cycle all night to no avail. Back to the drawing board. We think we know whats causing her problems, will write about it below.
sonja - hope you are enjoying your hair treatment, must be soo nice to get out and do something like that for yourself. I feel that I havent had time for myself at all since Ive had Ivy...its even difficult finding time to go to the loo!! I think I will have to set aside some time soon to get a hair cut or pamper!!
MrsL - We have tried the dummy with Ivy, but we havent been able to get her to take it. We have tried holding it in her mouth but she spits it straight out.
Cashahn - That must have been a daunting and scary experience...its something we will all be having to go through in the near future. Be good if they could skip the tanty stage!!!
Big hello to everyone else.
AFM - Well it seems like a lot of our bubs on this thread have colic, reflux or wind etc. Glad Im not alone with this. For the last few weeks DH and I have been slowly losing our minds...Ivy has been getting about 8hrs sleep in every 24hrs. It has been getting worse and worse so we went to the GP who said she had colic. Then went to the paed the next day who said its not colic, but its silent reflux. She is displaying all the symptoms, and this will be why she just cannot sleep. She is soooo tired the poor little bugger, but the reflux isnt letting her doze off.
We have her on losec now. A couple of you were talking about doses earlier. We dissolve one tab in 10mls of water, then she gets 2mls morning and 2mls night. We have only given her 2 lots so far and Im praying this works, and fast!! She is in so much pain and its really hard to take and see her like that.
Ladies who give their bubs this medication, or any kind of liquid...how do you get baby to swallow it?? We syringe a little into her mouth and she spits it straight out. Advice?
Bonny we buy Marc's medicine already made up as a suspension. I give it to him in a syringe and find if I do it slowly enough he swallows it. It can be a bit hit and miss but I've found the longer he's on it the better he gets at taking it.
Bonny - even with docs there's different advice.. Colic no reflux! It's hard to know who to listen to. Our paed in hospital gave terrible advice on bf until a LC gave a thousand times better advice! I would have thought the specialist (paed) would know better but nope!
I'm glad u have some meds to try and pray they kick in fast for you & ivy.
What symptoms does she show? I'll compare luca to c if similar..
Let me know how you go.
I have syringe fed luca many times and find if I squirt a little at a time under his tongue, let him swallow properly & have a breath then go again he's fine.
Thanks for your support last night re text msg I really needed it *hugs!*
I'm going to try doing more personals when I've got a chance, haven't got out of my pjs yet! Luca was a bit restless last night lots wind pain & one poo explosion (with green in it???) that leaked to his bed! But he slept quite well after a while but fed every few hrs which I don't mind at night.. Just don't like nights where I can't settle/soothe him.
Going to dads at 1pm as some rellies want to c him but not staying long.
Ps: anyone use wrap me up swaddles? Luca loves the arm up position but hates the tightness on tummy especially with wind pain. It says it's the right size. I really would love to use them at night, he doesn't even cry while getting nappy changed when in them as u can zip bottom half up but leave top half swaddled but won't sleep in them. Screams & wriggles & I worry too tight on tummy?
Bonny - bummer about the hammock. It's frustrating isn't it when someone recommends something and you're hopeful it will work then it doesn't suit your little one..I've had that with a few things (mostly baby carriers which P hated until we found the latest one). I mostly feed P to sleep or bounce her to sleep on my fitball (god that's had a good workout) then pop her in the hammock either asleep or very drowsy then bounce. When we first started I bounced her a lot, now just a few bounces is usually enough and if she stirs I give it a few bounces with arm reached out from bed..BUT she doesn't have colic or reflux. I feel for you I really do..it must be so hard and I can't even imagine the sleep deprivation with her only sleeping eight hours. Poor little love and poor you :hugs:
Bourbon...green and explosive/foamy poos is usually one of two things. Either too much foremilk (the milk at the beginning of the feed) compared to hindmilk. So that might happen say if you were switching between breasts too soon and he wasn't reaching the hindmilk or the other thing which is pretty common is dairy intolerance. I had that a little bit with Piper, but I think our cause was the former. I think I may have a bit of over supply so I try to only feed from one breast at a time and occassionaly the second if she seems super starving. It seems to have sorted it out. I do know of a couple of people though who found that cutting out (or cutting down) dairy in their diet worked wonders for their little ones. I haven't cut out dairy but I do try to minimise it if possible (hard when I love cheese) :rolleyes:
So was the decision the 22nd of May for a meet up?
Bourbon I think Marc may be lactose intolerant so I did a simple test - I had very little dairy for 2 days (only milk in 2 cups of tea) and no explosive poos. I then had dairy on the 3rd day (not a lot probably 300 ml) and voila the next day - mega poo explosions.
His poos aren't green or frothy but the sheer volume of them was overwhelming - his clothes were constantly getting covered in it which isn't necessarily a problem except he was doing them in the morning when we'd always be out. It also seemed to distress him. So now I have almost no dairy in my diet - and sadly no chocolate.
Maybe try it with Luca and see what happens.
I don't have much dairy & I feed from one boob at a time unless he's super hungry so not sure what else it could be. It isn't always green & it's not frothy more grassy!
Could be when I've eaten a bit of chocolate not sure, I need a food diary!
Hmm not sure then. Breast fed babies can produce strange poos.
Hope you have a good night tonight. Some days I feel like going to bed is like going to battle.
Thanks Sonja, I agree I used to love my sleep now I just dread night time - especially because there isn't much sleep now! Hope u have a good night too :-)
LeeLee - Dont apologise for recommending the hammock, Im glad you did because at that point in time we were losing the plot and felt like we had run out of ideas. Im sure with perserverance we could get her used to the hammock, but another reason Im a little stressed in using it is because we dont get to use the sensor with it...and Im paranoid at night if we dont have the breathing sensor on. The lady we hired it from is really good and has checked to see how we going with it.
Bourbon - Hope you are feeling better today. Things that Ivy was doing that made us think there was an issue...she only managed about 7-8hrs sleep per day (in 24hrs), she would scream when put on her back (bassinet/pram/playmat etc), lots of saliva and bubbles at her mouth, constantly 'swallowing', legs constantly kicking out and knees brought up to chest, she would wake absolutely screaming her head off from what appeared to be a peaceful sleep, very wriggly when feeding and she would throw her head back a lot. She was getting worse too, so thats when we brought her paed appointment forward.
We have had Ivy on the Losec medication for 2 full days now and we have seen such a change in her!!!! What a relief, its been a huge weight off our shoulders. She actually gets some sleep now, and 'most' of the time can be put on her back. She still screams in pain sometimes, but not a scratch on before taking the medication. I wish we had known about this a long time ago. Do we need to keep her on this constantly now or do we take her off it at some point? We see the paed again this week so I guess he can answer that for us.
I hope everyone is doing ok and managing some sleep. I cant believe how fast the days and weeks are passing. 6 weeks tomorrow! Wow.
Bonny - sounds very similar to what luca does, is it colic or reflux? Maybe we need losec..
Bonny - glad the losec seems to be working. I just figured out something amazing last night as was also having trouble getting indi to take it. while bfeeding just squirt little bits at a time in her mouth and she should swallow it down happily with the milk - well indi did. i also do this now when i use a bit of the colic mixture at night. Or u can try buying it in liquid form not sure which chemist does it but there's a question on whether it works as well due to the beads in the tablet form. Unfortunately it takes about 6 months for reflux babes to be rid of it but it does get better. they think maybe solids helps so start her on that earlier if poss. also try squirting some breast milk on the dummy to get her to take it.
bourban - sorry your nights have been so hard. Dh's just don't have the same stamina we do. I often say to mine he couldn't do what I do and he completely agrees! Shame as often the bebay needs another (nonstressed) pair of hands at that time to get them off. When having a really bad night try not to fight it too much and make yourself a cup of tea, put on a fav movie and try and chill in front of the TV. With my son I used to hire the charmed series and just give in to being up for a few hours. Then keep putting him back down as long as he'll let u in the morn (pretend its still night) and try and catch up on sleep that way. I used to manage until about 10:00 with my son. I think once u give in u tend to relax a bit and that helps to put them to sleep.
Hi leelee, sonja and everyone else :wave:
well indi still sleeping in that chair but doing much better at night. I'm worried she may not have reflux tho and im medicating her for no reason. She's generally very good in the day but prob as I have more time and patience to get her into deeper sleeps and we do a lot of running around so she spends most of the day getting to sleep in the car or pram. She doesn't cry a lot either just grunts and squirms and can be fussy at the breast. i think ill try taking her off it again in a few days and see if theres any difference. I also have a breathing monitor in the bed Bonny and hate that I can't use this at the mo. So confused :confused: I think i'll chat to the health nurse about it on wed morn as she has open clinic then.
I'm happy for 22nd for a meet. everyone else happy with that and kings park? 10:00ish?
Bonny so glad the posed is starting to work. M is having his immunizations tomorrow and i'm going to ask his doctor about increasing the dose to 10 mg. He woke at 230, 330, 430, 530 and 630 am (as well and 1030 and 1230). Yes what a joyous night. I don't know whether it's the reflux or the dummy. DH has been getting Marc to take the dummy but now I think it might have back fired. Oh well trial and error I guess.
Bourbon my DH doesn't hear M either, and he's in our room. He used to hear the kids when they were babies but he doesn't seem to anymore. I wake him up when I've had enough. Granted though he seems to be hard wired to hear the girls and gets up to them when they wake. Last night, on top of Marc waking, we had Scarlett up twice and Lucy once. I tell you all this so you feel better about your nights :D
So an early night here tonight. It's my 40th this Wednesday and DH has arranged for my parents to come over from Brisbane for it, which is lovely. It was supposed to be a surprise but I was miserable yesterday about having my birthday in a city where I still don't really know anyone he wound up telling me. I'm going to pick them up from the airport with the three kids which will be a total surprise for them.
22 may at 10 am is good for me.
Sonja - Happy 40th Bday for wed!!! Congratulations :-)
I hope you have a fantastic day & get spoilt rotten xx
MrsL - I also have a breathing monitor which I'm not using due to having the mattress on incline.
My nurse said she thought we still could buy I'm pretty sure we can't. Our bassinet isn't stable or flat enough on the bottom when inclined.
I figure I'll use it when moving to the cot..
bourban - ive got an angel care which still works in the bassinet with blankets and towels on it to incline. i think i might have just changed the setting to be slightly more sensitive. try it out. how's the 22nd for u?
Sonja - My ggodness u poor thing! that sounds terrible. yes i would see about increasing the dose and giving 5mg in morn and 5 mg at night. funny my hubbie used to hear my son as a baby and has managed to tune out baby noises since. same as u tho since taking on more care for my son since the birth of indi he hears him now - weird! have a fantatsic day on wed!!!
Well immunisations done until the next ones. Poor little boy really howled. My girls barely made a noise when they had theirs so wasn't expecting that.
MrsL I asked about increasing the dose to 10 mg but our GP said that was the upper limit and wouldn't go there at Marc's age until we'd gone up in 1 mg doses. So imaybe if that dose isn't improving Indi maybe it's not reflux at play? Silent reflux is a hard one because you don't get the evidence you do with reflux.
And yep we were advised to start solids early for reflux so Scarlett started at spot on 4 months. Hers definitely improved once she was sitting up.
:wave: Just a quick post for me...am so glad some of you are getting a bit of relief with colic / reflux for you little ones. Piper is having some vaxxing on Friday..do they let you breast feed whilst they're getting it done? I fed her when she had the guthrie heel prick and she didn't even notice, too busy being a boob monster :laughing: I found the vaxxing decision the hardest thing since she's been born. I'm going to get the Whopping Cough, Tet and Dip vaccine (seperating it out) and Rotavirus on Friday and delay a couple of the others a month. I'm hoping she doesn't scream, poor love..I'm sure vaxxing is harder on the parents ;)
I took her for a visit to a friends house yesterday who has a vibrating chair, our bouncy chair doesn't vibrate and she LOVED it. I was thinking of getting one, but she's growing so fast, not sure how long it would last, I think she'll be into her bumbo before I know it...sigh!!!
I'm looking forward to the 22nd to meet everyone IRL :)
LeeLee I didn't try and bf while the needles were done. To be honest I just wanted it over and done with so I could feed him and get out. Which ones are you delaying? What we had done today was the dip, the rota and the pneumococcal (2 needles 1 oral). The oral tastes pretty bad so we did that last so I could go straight to bf'ing.
Poor little man has been really knocked about and was very unhappy tonight. Both girls were fine after the 8 week ones but knocked around by some of the later ones. Hope his response doesn't get worse with each round of immunisations.
yes dreading the vax's :no:. yes leelee they let u breastfeed or do whatever u want when doing them. some people are worried they'll associate the pain with the feed but i don't think they would and am planning on feeding thru mine. i cried when my son had his 8 week ones. its awful.
everyone else happy for the 22nd @ 10?
well we had a major event in our household in the middle of the night - the vibrations stopped working on indi's chair :eek:. I had to wake DH up to fix them and even then they didn't work very well. It was a major effort to get indi back to sleep without them and when she woke at 5:40 this morn there was no going back to sleep at all :(. In the middle of my efforts DS starts crying out to get up so we all got up and I let DH with the both of them and went back to bed for an hour. I said to him that he can get a good nights sleep tonight but for me its night after night so I need my rest more :laughing:.
Sorry but I'm not planning on coming to any catch ups just yet until I feel ready which I don't.
Luca kept me awake all night and has only started sleeping now at 10am. I tried a bath everything but he would cry not long after.
Just rang the gp & have an appt for him today as it's getting worse and not only very hard on me but hate seeing him in so much pain & distress.
Bourbon - Ohhh no it sounds as though Luca and Ivy had the same night last night, bl**dy awful!!!! Ivy had us up all night screaming, and yes, it is so distressing seeing them in pain isnt it. In the early evening I had to call my mum over to hold her for a couple of hours just to give me a break. Its relentless at times. Btw, she is on Losec and I know I posted a couple of days ago saying we had seen an improvement...but I maybe jinxed myself as the last couple of days have gone backwards. So Im not sure if the 'improvement' we saw was actually coincidence...or we need to up the dose?! Who knows.
sonja - Happy 40th :celebrate:. How nice of DH to arrange for your parents to come as a surprise!! haha and now its you thats giving them a surprise when you collect them from the airport. Hope you have a fantastic day. Poor Marc howling after his vax. Im really not looking forward to Ivy getting hers done in 2 weeks.
leelee - The vibrate is great on the chair...maybe you should look into getting a cheapie one if you think it will only last a short while before she gets too big. When Ivy is in hers and it runs out, we have to be super quick to get it going again otherwise she throws a strop!
MrsL - haha poor indi and no vibrations!!! It is like a major event hey, whats with our bubs and vibrations?! What would we do without the rocker chairs. I hope she catches up on her sleep today, and you do too.
afm - 6 weeks yesterday. Where have the weeks gone!! Dont they say when they hit 6 weeks its the magical number, and they become so much more settled and sleep through the night?! hmmm, we had one of our worst nights yet...Ivy doesnt fit the mould thats for sure. Going back to the paed today, I really hope we can get to the bottom of this, she breaks my heart when I see her in pain for so many hours of the day.
On another note, I went back to the physio today...my freakin prolapse is not getting any better and is getting me quite down in the dumps!! Anyone else suffer from a prolapse after having bubs?? Apparently its relatively common, but the physio said its just one of those things that people dont talk about as its rather personal. I hate it so much, makes me feel like a freak of nature down there :eek:
So the gp was useless today.. No medicine no diagnosis no advice.
But luca growing well which is good, I just badly need some sleep & a break from the screaming!
Dh working so can't help me much :-(
bourban - what a shame. spoken to a couple of friends who say they had screamers between about 3 and 8 weeks and then it stopped. they both called it colic so perhaps thats luca's problem... niot a lot u can do but get thru it. Its awful at the mo and i'm sure you feel like it will never end but it does. try and do something nice to treat yourdelf. these times are hard :hugs:
bonny - that 6 week thing is such a load of crap! people always say that and then when u get to 6 weeks they say 12 and then at 12 they say 6 months.. grrrr. why do people give us false hope!!! :freakingout:
happy birthday sonja :cheerleader1:
I bought 2 vibrating chairs today. these things could cost $5000 each and I'd still buy them! :laughing:
So the gp was useless today.. No medicine no diagnosis no advice.
But luca growing well which is good, I just badly need some sleep & a break from the screaming!
Dh working so can't help me much :-(
Oh Bourbon..it sounds as though you're doing it really tough...no sleep, that must be so hard :hugs:. I'm happy to offer support as Piper is really mobile now and we get out and about a lot. I'd be more than happy to bring a meal round for you to put in the freezer, take Luca out for a walk to the park in his pram so you can get a hour or two's sleep, I can wrap Piper and push a pram or vice versa, or come and hold baby in your home so you can get a break, come and do some house work for you. Or happy to offer an ear to listen to the difficulties over a cuppa (I'd make the cuppa). Honestly, the offer is there. I won't be offended if you say no and want your own space, but am totally happy to help. PM me if you want.
Also, I've been doing a baby massage course (NOR quite local to you I think)and we've learnt some stuff for colic which I could show you. Do you have a wrap? - some babies like them and settle much easier in them.
Mrs L...:laughing: about the chairs...I totally understand I'd pay anything for my hammock. Whatever works hey.
Bonny - yep, might look on Gumtree for cheapo vibrating chair.
Sonja - I plan to delay the HIB (normally in combo with the DPT) and the Pc (also in combo with the DPT) and not get the Hep B or Polio. So I'll be getting the DPT and the Rota, then do the others a month later. Mmm undecided about breast feeding as I see what you mean about getting it done as quick as possible. I might play it by ear and see how she's feeling. It's 9am so usually a pretty good time of day for her.
Piper and I met a friend with a similar age bub and went to mums and bubs at the cinema today to see Rio - very cute!!!! Piper LOVED it. Sat on my knee totally absorbed in the film the whole time exept for a 30 minute feed. Mmmm now I know where to go if I want a nice quiet baby for an hour or so :yes:
Bonnybaby I have a prolapse too not a significant one but annoying all the same.
Leelee I have a vibrating chair if you want it? It's just sitting there doing nothing and I won't need it again.
Bourbon sorry to hear your having a rough time, I really feel for all of you actually. I remember those nights like they were yesterday.
I found using a dummy really helped with my DD reflux, that and the Chiro oh and reading Tizzy Halls book, not so much for the routines (though it did help in establishing one by the time she was 8wks old) but it does have some very handy tips and like any book you take from it what you need and like.
I hope you all get some sleep tonight :)
Bourbon sorry to hear you're having such rough time. It reminds me so much of when Lucy was a baby. Se had colic and would scream and scream night after night. I wrapped her, rocked her, gave her dummies, shushed her and walked the floors for hours. Suddenly the screaming would stop we'd all crash into bed only to start again after feeds during the night. It was hell. And we went through it all again with Scarlett.
The only advice I can give is hang in there because it does stop. It drives you insane in the meantime but it will stop. And take all offers of rest and help that you get. I found it hard to rest during the day as I felt I needed to be cleaning or washing but once i had Scarlett I did sleep when I could and it definitely made the days and nights a bit more bearable. I would also try and get some fresh air every day. It'll make the world of difference, and a screaming baby never seems quite as bad when you're not stuck indoors.
I also wish I'd done a massage course with Lucy. Maybe that might have helped.
Bonny I agree with MrsL. I used to get so worked up that Lucy wasn't sleeping through when she "should" have been. You'll hear so many things about what Ivy should be doing but she'll get there when she's ready. For what it's worth Lucy started sleeping through at 13 months and Scarlett at 12 months. Lucy's now 5 and a half and Scarlett's 2. Both girls wake during the night a couple of times each week. Sleep is something you learn to give up on in these early years, and then when they're teenagers we'll be pulling our hair out because they won't want to get out of bed.
LeeLee sounds like you and Piper are doing really well. It's great you're getting out and about so much. I just got all the needles at once to get it out of the way. Marc's .had no side effects since Tuesday and was his happy self again yesterday which was good.
Cashahn hmm i'm tempted to try a vibrating chair but I don't want to start using something and then have to wean him off it. Wen do you use them until?
Well I had a lovely birthday with the family yesterday. 40's not so bad.
I'm still keen to do the catch up on the 22nd if everyone else is. Bourbon it's still a few weeks away you might feel different. Sleep deprivation and feeling like nothing you're doing is working is a really cr@ppy way to feel so I completely understand you might just want to stay home and get some sleep. Maybe a few of us NOR could catch up closer to your place during the week one day and exchange war stories. Take care xx
Sonja I never actually used it to sooth her as such, never really occurred to me to let her sleep in there (apart from little naps). It's a papasan type so I guess I could have but never thought to :)
Oh and I probably used it until she learnt to sit so about 7mths but she stopped napping in it at a few weeks
sonja - i know what u mean about weaning off the chair as as i'm worried about the same thing. i saw the health nurse yesterday who said that really all i can do is carry on, speak to the doctor and just hope things settle down by 12 weeks and she can sleep in her bed again. At that point i'll start self settling etc and go from there. At the moment I'm just in survival mode.
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Hi to all the Perth mums,
I am sorry this is such a short post but I wanted to recomend Wedela nursing tea for breast feeding to bourbon (that is if you are breast feeding ofcourse). You can find it in health food stores (the one in Morley sells it). It is really good in helping with babies colic/wind pain and helps in digestion. I found it really helped us. It is about 20.00 a pack which will only last a week....in the end I sourced all the ingredients from the local supermarket and made my own in bulk. It is all natural and maybe worth a shot....from memory it took a couple of days to start working.
MrsL I totally get you on the being in the survival mode. Whatever it takes to get through those first 12 weeks is fine by me I reckon. Marc sleeps really well in his cot most days but there are times of the day where it takes longer to settle him and I need to do things for the girls and i just don't have the time to spend with him. I thought a vibrating chair might help but given he's 8 weeks old I don't think I could be bothered introducing something new.
Ooh this baby business is tough. You'd think by my 3rd child I'd have some clue what I'm still groping pin the dark most days.
Ivy has only just gone down to sleep after getting up at 6.30am!!!! How on earth she can go 12 hours without sleep is beyond me, and this is with trying everything possible to soothe her. :freakingout:
I spoke too soon. She was down for 30 mins. How can she STILL be awake after more then 12 hrs, arghhh. (DH is in there with her now as Im a bit frazzled and she can probably pick up on my stress)
Bonny it's really common at her age. Lucy was the same at around 6 weeks, and Marc had a day recently where he had no more than 20minutes every few hours. I hope she goes off for you soon.
Bonny wow you must be exhausted, you sound like you are doing everything possible to soothe your bubba let's hope you all get some rest tonight! Have you tried bubba in swing? My DD didn't like her swing but some bubs love them!
happy dance - i remember u from the perth thread. how are u? don't hop on without telling us how bubs is doing???
bonny - OMG I can't believe that either! Indi has never managed more than 3 hours and i thought that was crazy for a newborn!
sonja -yeah keep up with the cot then I reckon. I know that chair is going to end up being a problem :rolleyes:
cashahn - also meant to say earlier your DD is at a tricky age re tantrums I remember DS acting a bit like that. The good news is that soon she will be at an age where u can reason with her a bit more. My son really turned a corner not long after 2 :D
I know, crazy isnt it. She has been like this pretty much from about 2wks old. There have even been days when she would get up at 6.30am and we would still be trying to get her to sleep at 11pm that night. Numerous calls to Ngala, calls to ABA, and Pregnancy Birth and Parenting Helplines, trip to GP and a couple to the pediatrician...still cant get her to sleep. Not sure if its bubs, or DH and I are completely useless at soothing her. Pediatrician didnt seem hugely concerned at her lack of sleep as she is putting on weight and appears healthy otherwise.
Its just a bit of a nightmare for DH and I atm.
Bonny that sounds really tough, I can't imagine how exhausted you are. Is she unhappy the whole time or just awake and alert? I think some babies definitely need less sleep than others. Piper never slept much during the day...short bursts here and there but not what they call typical, but she seems mostly happy. I try to read when she's tired and get her to sleep, but these days, I've decided I give her five minutes of rocking / bouncing and if she's fighting it, I give up and assume she can't be THAT tired and just have her with me doing whatever I'm doing and try again in 15 minutes. I've found that works for me, I get less stressed that she's NOT GOING TO SLEEP and she gets less stressed. Having said that, she's usually not crying, so.....
Cashahn..I'd love to borrow your vibrating chair..what area do you live in?
:wave: to everyone else. Going to try and get some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, though Ms P is making lots of grunty noises so knowing my luck she'll probably wake up now.
Bonny and Bourbon - here's sending you both big hugs, I hope Ivy and Luca settle and give you guys some much needed rest xx
Sonja - great to hear you had a fab 40th birthday :celebrate:
Happydance, Cashahn and Mrs L - so nice to have the ladies from our old Perth thread around again... makes me reflect on those very hard days TTC and feel very grateful for where we all are today. Which makes my next comment a bit non-sensical...
My Little Miss is due today, but is showing no signs of making an appearance any time soon, and I feel almost depressed. I am soooo looking forward to her arrival, and every minute she's not here, I miss her. Is that completely screwed up? She's still in my tummy kicking around...
I know I just need to take a chill pill and be grateful - it's just hard.
I'm trying to remember where everyone is at...
Sonja - glad you had a fantastic birthday. You've had it tough with no good sleepers.
Bonny - all bubs are different. It certainly has nothing to do with good or bad parenting skills. It sounds daft but I think some bubs are aware of there lack of ability to communicate properly and get frustrated. I hope it gets easier soon.
Mrs L - I hope that your little one is settling on the meds.
Bourbon - I hope that you're getting some sleep. It must be so tough.
LeeLee - I'm glad you're able to get out and about and piper is a settled bub.
Babydreaming - good luck. Your little one may surprise you and turn up soon. I had very little warning with elliot engaging at the last minite
AFM - busy week. My dad left on Wednesday to be replaced by my cousin and his family including a 2 year old and 5 year old. We went to gymbaroo on Tuesday and I had my first mother's group yesterday. Elliot has his 6 week check in an hour.
We have been blessed with a very good night sleeper. He sleeps for 8 to 10 hours in a row. I am leaking and my breasts are ready to explode by the time he wakes. We moved him to his cot and own room last night as he was wriggling his legs out of his basinet. I'm glad to say it was a success. I'm a little worried about the trip to the uk disrupting his routine, but we'll work it out later.... I've also still not had a day on my own with him, due to hubby's leave and the visitors. We've been to penguin island, margaret river, freo and lots of other places - not quite what I thought I'd be doing...
Hi to everyone else
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Happy mothers day to all the mums and mums to be.
I'm on my own today so no special treatment. But finally having a bub is all I ever wanted
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Happy Mothers Day everyone :celebrate:
Leelee Im in Wanneroo, where abouts are you? I have bub in daycare on Mondays so if you need me to drop it off I can do it then. Although I can do it with her in tow I just find it easier to get things done on my own sometimes :yes:
MrsL glad to know there is some end in sight with her tanties, they can sure test your patience.
Babydreaming I hope you have an easy and safe birth of your little girl and I cant wait to hear all about it.
Bonnybaby I hope DD has given you some much needed rest for Mothers Day.
Sooz I think having some alone time is nice, hope your enjoying it.
Well I must run, I hope everyone is having a relaxing day :goodvibes:
Happy Mothers Day everyone :celebrate:
Babydreaming - Any news?? Thinking about you.
All the ladies that have offered me some advice regarding Ivy's sleep, thank you very much. Thats why this thread is so great, and there is so much support!!
I began to feel like a bit of a useless mother....after a few nights of NO sleep, and Ivy getting no sleep, my mum offered to stay the night and look after Ivy and just wake me for feeds. Like the nursery in hospital almost!! I took her up on it and Murpheys Law...Ivy slept the entire night except waking for feeds. Not a peep out of her!! On my mums watch! She hasnt done this for me since I was in the hospital, and yet the very 1st night my mum looks after her, she sleeps soundly all night.
So DH and I start wondering if we are just cr*p at settling her and dealing with her sleep etc. The only thing that my mum did differently was to lay her on her side to sleep, rather than on her back. And I guess since we believe Ivy has reflux, lying on her side might not aggravate the refux and burning so much.
Ive only just put Ivy down now (on her side) and she is still asleep, wooohoooo!!!!! She never ever sleeps during the day, let alone in the bassinet. And here she is still asleep after an hour, during the day, in the bassinet. haha Happy Mothers Day to me :smiliedance: This is a MAJOR achievement.
Is sleeping them on their sides a SIDs risk? As much as sleeping them on their tummy?? I know they say back is best, but she doesnt sleep on her back. Im starting to think that Ive hit the jackpot, thanks to my mum.
Bonny well done on getting some sleep. amazing how much better everything is when you've had sleep!
Scarlett was a side sleeper. Always so much easier to settle and resettle when she was on her side. I was always told to move her onto her back once she was asleep. The risk is if she's on her side she may roll onto her stomach. I used a side bumper to keep her on her side but subsequently found out these were SIDS risks as well. If you put her on her side and tuck her in with a sheet tightly that light help keep her on her side.
Hope everyone's having a wonderful mother's day.
Excellent news bonny. My step mum told me that the advice for sids when her children were young was to place them on their sides. I would be tempted to do that if she's sleeping well like that...
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happy mothers day all
Just popped in to say whoooo Bonny, yipee for sleep. Hey I reckon you do whatever works. Yes back sleeping is recommended, but plenty of people still sleep babes on their tummies as that is the only way they'll settle. Let's face it, probably most of us were put on our tummies to sleep as that was the SIDS advice back in the day and we all survived. Plus I reckon a well rested baby is probably less at risk than a super tired, frustrated one. Is she in your room, as having them in with you in the first six months reduces SIDS risk and you can easily check on her then for your own peace of mind. I'm so hoping this works for you both and you get some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:fingerscrossed:
yay Bonny! I always slept my son on his side. You can buiy from big W those sleep posistioners (sassy is the brand I used) and sleep them on that. It has 2 pillow type things to keep bubs in place. I have slept Indi on her side plenty of times and even on her tummy a few times when desperate (tho tummy only in the day). The nurses would also put Indi on her side in hospital so I would say its safe enough. Usually they are swaddled with their arm bent so their elbow stops them rolling anyway. And u have a breathing monitor so I say go for it! As leelee says a tired and frustrated mummy is also a danger to her baby so hey.
Sooz - U are so lucky! the trip is bound to mess the routine a little but it sounds like you've got a very adaptable baby so I wouldn't worry.
Babydreaming - hopefully u are holding your little girl now :p
cashahn - unfortunately I didn't mean the tantrums end :rolleyes: I just meant u can reason a bit more, use disipline etc to work through them or sometimes avoid them once they reach an age where they can communicate more.
Hi Sonja and everyone else:D
How's Isla going? haven't heard in a while...
Also Bourban - You still hanging in there???
Ok back to catch up. who's in? Cut and paste and put names below.
Sunday 22nd May 10am Kings park stickybeaks cafe.
oh just reread your post leelee u were talking about a tired frustrated baby :laughing:. tired Mummy is also no good :no:.
shame I finally have Indi sleeping peacefully in her bed (hasn't been touched in days) and now I have to pull her out to pick up my son from his threes program :(
Hi ladies :-)
I feel like a bad bubhubber neglecting you all & no personals either!
I don't know where the days go anymore, just don't have enough hours to get everything done and then it's the dreaded night time again!!
But.. I don't want to jinx myself in saying this.. Luca has gotten much better.
He sleeps most of the day and I put him down around 6pm, he wakes around 1am then again every few hrs after but that's great! And (touch wood lol) he hasn't screamed only quietly grizzled.
We have him on Infacol for wind and I think it's made a big difference.
Only problem is we have a rocker in his bassinet on vibrate which he LOVES and won't sleep without! I've tried 'weaning' him off it but he won't settle. So the rocker stays for now.. Until he starts rolling then I'll get rid of that idea. Our CHN suggested it!
Luca is the love of my life! He is SO cute in his mannerisms and funny quirks and is growing up every day before my eyes. There is so much to look forward to (except teething etc lol).
Thankyou to all of you for your huge support (LeeLee that was very kind of you), it really does mean alot.
I hope I'll be back doing the same for you all soon.
Bourbon - Hey there, dont apologise, we all understand too well I think. I know what you mean about the days just disappearing, its crazy how fast each hour goes by, then the next thing you know its night time again. Lucky Luca has become a little more settled, fingers crossed he stays like that, must be great getting at least a few solid hours sleep at night. So funny that he is in the rocker, within the bassinet. Good idea!!
MrsL - How come the nurses put Indi on her side in the hospital? Just out of curiosity.
Thanks very much MrsL, leelee and sonja for your advice regarding Ivy side sleeping. I am quite paranoid as to what is a sids risk and what isnt, as it is constantly drummed into us that the only way to sleep a baby is on their back, but at this stage I guess we all have to do what we can to get through it.
I am so very envious of the babies that sleep. Last night we put Ivy down for 7pm, and we got up to her 10 times through the night before 7am...this is for 3 feeds and the rest is re-settling after she wakes up screaming. Ahhh, its a typical night for us. Its so demanding and sometimes its even more than this as she often wakes every half hour and doesnt settle herself. The one improvement is that she goes down in her bassinet now, rather than only in our arms. So there is an improvement, even though its ever so slight. I think it is slowly killing my DH and I though :hair:
We are booked in to do a 'daystay' at Ngala. We have to do that first before we can do a night-stay. We are willing to try absolutely everything to get this sorted.
Hope everyone had a lovely Mothers Day. Ivy got me a pasta machine :D haha but if she continues to not sleep I will never get chance to try it out!!!
I think because she was so unsettled in hospital. they also did it with my son. Just wheeled them back in like that fast asleep. they wrap them so tightly tho there was no way she was going anywhere.
I can't believe u are up so many times :eek: - thats crazy! I think a trip to Nglala is exactly what u need. They'll show u how to teach her to self settle and recognise when to go in etc. do u think the losec isn't doing anything then?
bourban - Yes Indi is still in her chair tho i managed her first sleep in her bed last night and she did so well but then all downhill after that! Why did the health nurse say to put it in bassinet? Its hard to change something that works so well hey!
Oh I forgot to say in my earlier post... Ivy is rolling!!! Holy cow. She is 7 weeks old today, and she started rolling yesterday. WTF.
DH and I have thought for the last few weeks that it wont be long, but no way did we think it would be this soon. Whenever we give her tummy time, she lifts her left side so far off the ground by pushing up on her left arm and leg that she almost topples over.
So yesterday when she was lifting herself up, she also put her head over to the side, and I think the sheer weight of her head caused her body to roll over. I was amazed and thought it was a major fluke. But then she did it a further 2 times.
Today with tummy time, she did the same thing, and managed another 3 rolls. We even got it on video camera :smiliedance:
It makes me realise she is going to grow up way too fast...my little girl wont be little for much longer.
Bonny how exciting! My uncle was 2 weeks old when he started rolling so it can happen early. By contrast, I never saw either of my 2 girls roll although DH did see them do it once or twice. They are all different. When I was in hospital with Scarlett the nurse came into our room and Scarlett (who was lying on my front on her stomach) leaned on her forearms put her head up and turned her head to the door. The midwife was stunned.
I hope you get some sleep tonight. We've had some really bad nights recently with both Scarlett and Marc I'm exhausted.
I'm in for the 22nd. It will be great to see you all again, and the babies that were in everyone's tummies.
Hi everyone! I am new to this thread and have been away from the forum because I got busy with my bub! She's letting me get some time to myself now though so I thought I'd crash your thread and say hi :)
Currently I live NoR and love Ngala and my local child health nurse :D
Hi ladies how are we all? I hope everyone had a lovely mothers day :). Just to give you all some hope, Sophie was a terrible sleeper and a very unsettled baby. But with hard work and perseverance she sleeps 7pm-7am and 11am-1.30pm for her day nap. We still have the odd bad night or crappy day sleep but usually there is a reason. It will get better you just need to find what works for you and stick with it. Although Sophie sleeps well unfortunately I don't so I still feel like a walking zombie lol. Wishing you all a good nights sleep :)
Bonnie- yay Ivy!!! :smiliedance: what a clever little girl. that def means u can sleep her side or tummy as she's strong enough to move herself (unswaddled tho).
Hi Fang welcome back :wave:
Cashahn - yes I agree there are methods that really work when bubs is old enough to use them. my son would never have slept thru the night if i hadn't made him.
sonja - poor u! thats terrible :(
AFM - Indi just waking from a self settled nap in her bed! Started self settling yetserday and she's going really well :smiliedance:
Hi everyone glad you are all well. Welcome back Fang I remember u from TTC threads.
Where do they have these ngala clinics?
How good r the child health nurses!! I go to Craigie & she is so helpful reassuring and nice. Better than some gps!
Dh & I went to a friends house yesterday & as I was feeding luca he exploded a poonami which leaked from his nappy all over us both! Then while changing he pees everywhere followed shortly after by throwing up all his milk!
My friends could hear me screaming from the other room and they were in tears laughing & they have kids and can relate at least!
Hi all, well it sounds as though everyone is ticking along nicely which is lovely to hear.
Bourbon, so happy things are improving for you!!! The poosplosions are kinda funny hey. Piper did a wee in the scales when the CHN was weighing her last week, which was most amusing. Some days are just MESSY days and we seem to go through about four outfits. Today was lovely, no leaks or spews and the same outfit all day :smiliedance:
MrsL, great to hear that little Indi is settling herself now.
Fang - good to hear from you, what's your little one's name?
Sonja, sorry to hear your'e not getting much sleep..hopefully it improves and you get some much needed zzzzzzzzzz
Bonny - WOW super exciting, go Ivy :cheerleader1: and great that you got it on film. They do change so quickly don't they, I just want to bottle it.
Cashahn - I live in Guildford, so miles away, but I'll be in Duncraig next Monday morning for a baby massage class, so I could pop over maybe after that if it was convenient to you?
AFM Piper and I met a couple of friends and went to the Mums and Bubs screening of Babies this morning. It was so gorgeous. It follows four babies through their first year of life and made me so excited about all the milestones I'll get to see in the next year. I highly recommend it for those that haven't seen it. There is another mums and bubs screening on next Wed (18th) at the Windsor in Nedlands. It was great, they had complimentary tea / biscuits and had a change table set up in the cinema, lights not fully dimmed so mums could see what they were doing etc.... Piper has just gone down and is snoring her head off...I should take video footage of that :laughing:
Oh and the 22nd is fine for me...in the diary!
just a quick question for bonny and sonja - do u think the losec is working? I've taken indi off it now anbd don't notice a difference either way...
Yes MrsL I definitely think it helped Marc. He still wakes quite a lot at night but he doesn't scream as much or hardly ever anymore. He just seems a lot happier and isn't vomitting. Like i said earlier my GP said the 10 ml dose is the highest for a baby of 2 months so maybe if it's not making a difference it wasn't reflux?? It's really a hard one when you're dealing with silent reflux.
Luca has just started vomiting milk after each feed a fair bit which he wasn't doing before. He is 6 wks tues, did anyone else have this happen all of a sudden?
Bourban - elliot started doing that around that time. It doesn't seem to bother him though - he's just a greedy guts.
BTW - I'm still on for kings park on 22nd. Is it sticky beaks again?
AFM - we had a check up today. Elliot has grown 7cm since he was born and gained 1kg. Time is just flying...
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yes 22nd 10am stickybeaks. so far I think its me, sooz, leelee and sonja. anyone else keen???
Count me in also for Sticky Beaks. I'll still be a bit nervous venturing out so far from home (Im a big chicken) but I figure if I dont push myself to do these things then I'll be a hermit forever.
Sonja - Wow your uncle was 2 weeks when he rolled, thats just unbelievable hey. I just imagine 2 week old bubbas being tiny and frail, but I soon found out that they are not that frail, but rather pliable and robbust!! Is Marc on 10ml of Losec? Ivy is on 6ml, the paed said not to go over that for some reason. They all have different opinions it seems, much like the FS's out there.
Fang - Hi, I remember you from the TTC threads. Welcome. Are you going to come to Sticky Beaks?
Cashahn - What age was Sophie when you started to see her sleep improving?
MrsL - Yay for Indi self settling!!! I hope its ongoing and not just a one-off. Did you teach her anything or did she just do that on her own? Oh yeah and you asked about the Losec and if it was making a difference. To be honest, I have no idea!!! We have been on Losec now for about 2 weeks and initially we thought we saw improvement, but that lasted about 3-4 days, and she has since been her usual...extremely unsettled, never sleeping, screaming in pain etc. However, I am also experimenting with a no dairy diet on the paeds recommendation, to see if thats the problem. Or it could be both. On our last visit to the doc he basically said we will just have to "grin and bare it" as there is not a lot more we could do :no: he said her gut should mature around 8-12 weeks and we should see an improvement then. So Im hoping its closer to 8 weeks than 12 weeks as I cant wait to see her more settled.
leelee - Ive never heard of that movie called Babies. Good on you for getting out to the movies...DH is desperate to get out to see a movie, but he will have to come to a mums and bubs session if he wants me to go with him, haha, and I dont think his choice of movie will be showing then.
bourbon - Ivy vomits after each feed too, and anytime inbetween actually. Its not projectile though. She has only been doing this probably the last 3-4 weeks. Does he vomit a lot of liquid or just small amounts?
sooz - Good to hear Elliot is doing well. Ivy must be a real porker...she has put on 1.7kg since birth!! Our CHN doesnt measure length, maybe I should ask next time. I agree, isnt time flying past!!!!
AFM - We are booked in to Ngala for a 'daystay' on Monday. Really hoping we can sort things out with Ivy's sleep, or at least give us an idea of where we can start. Maybe she is just one of those really 'awake' babies and she may never sleep much.
Bonny Marc's on 7 ml a day. My CHN also thinks he has a lactose intolerance. I've started giving him a comp feed before bed of formula for babies with lactose intolerance, to see if he's more settled at night. She said lactose intolerance resolves around 3 months, and reflux around 4 months. As he's 2 months old I keep telling myself we're half way there. Good luck on Monday.
Hi to everyone hope you're enjoying the cooler weather.
Bonny - it sounds like we have opposite babies. Elliot is rarely awake - it's actually slightly worrying. He's pretty slight - 75 percentile for length an 50th for weight...
I really hope ngala can help you get some sleep.
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Is anyone else struggling to keep up with the milk demands? He is thrashing about demanding more.... I've been expressing like crazy to keep up
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Sooz - does elliot thrash about on the boob and seem frustrated? That's what Luca does (except when I'm engorged at night!).
He seems to do it more when I go to put my arm under his head in cradle hold.. After about 20 mins if he's still hungry I swap boobs which seems to work.
Expressing alot seemed to make my boobs engorged & painful at night so I've stopped doing it quite so often.
I'm reading about everyone but just haven't had 5 secs to myself to do personals.
I hope all your bubs are doing well & getting lots of kisses & cuddles! How nice do babies smell after a bath, and their breath when breast fed smells so sweet :-)
I want everyone to list 2 things they love about their baby. We talk so much about the hard times that it's nice to celebrate the good & special times. As hard as the early days are I feel sad seeing my Luca growing up. They will only be this little once :-(
Bonny Goodluck with the day stay let us know how you go.
Have fun everyone at sticky beaks. I'm just not ready yet with luca being 5 weeks but soon I will.
Dh made me go food shopping on the weekend with him & luca. Talk about a mission. I was on edge the whole time hoping he wouldn't start crying. How do single mums get by???
I also felt dizzy & a bit overwhelmed which is silly but it was like something which is second nature became like a major challenge.
I need to do it though or like Bonny said I'll b a hermit forever also.
To think I want to try for number 2 when luca is 6 months!!!
We are in a bit of a pattern lately. I bath & feed & bed by around 5-6pm, if his dummy stays in he wakes around midnight, if it falls out he wakes around 10:30. Then after a feed he sleeps until around 2am then around 6am.
This can vary but generally is happening like this.
Lately luca likes both his arms wrapped too whereas before he hated it. Maybe because it's cold. He keeps me guessing!
I'm not looking forward to when he can't sleep in his rocker within the bassinet as I can't see him being happy in the bassinet alone.
Does anyone do anything to make it more comfy? I have a wedge to keep him central but he didn't like being restricted.
What does everyone dress their bub in and how manyblankets?
It's been cold lately.
Luca has a singlet, all in one enclosed feet, muslin wrapped, cellular blanket & one or two waffle wraps.
I have a very warm doona myself & are freezing so I worry he is cold.
Lately he wasn't bf well, attaching badly so my boobs have been killing. Doesn't matter what I do he won't open enough at times & gets impatient even though I hand express milk to get it going for him so he doesn't have to wait for let down.
Has anyone used formula on occasion? I bought some in case of when I'm out somewhere as when bf really hurts I'd rather do it in private but I haven't used any yet, so far I've expressed enough.
Enough rambling from me, take care everyone xx
Sooz I always worry about that as i feel i can never be sure with bf babies. One tip I was given if you're not sure is to offer a bottle of EBM or formula after a feed at the end of the last feed at the end of the day (ie around 6 or 7 pm) and if he doesn't take it you know he's getting enough. I tried this with Lucy a lot when she was a baby and she never took the extra feed. She was just a very fussy baby. Expressing is a good way to keep your supply up as well. Your CHN should be able to help.
Bourban - that's exactly what he does - but only in the last few days - I'm guessing that it's a growth spurt. On the shopping front, it is weird how everyday things become daunting. I've done my first supermarket run with Elliot and I'm trying to do more all of the time. We'll get there, slowly, but surely...
Sonja -I express quite a lot every morning and he gulps it down at night. I used to be able to freeze some ready for when I go back to work next month. He sleeps for 10 hours straight at night (please don't hate me...), which is fantastic, but I think it's playing havoc with my supply.
Two things I love: when he looks up at me and smiles/giggles. When he snuggles upon my chest and I feel him breathing. Sorry there's another - the little sounds he makes.
Sooz - I would say he's gaining weight well (1 kg at 6 week in great) and is def sleeping well so I wouldn't worry about the thrashing. your milk may just be a little slow for him or something. He'll adjust.
bourban - I was desperate for some food the other day and actually took both myn food shopping. DS in trolly part and Indi in top part. I whizzed around like crazy in such a stress. felt like I had 2 ticking time bombs in the trolly. Thankfully we made it! I have Indi in a sleeping bag now with a long sleeve bodysuit and socks, a flan sheet wrapped twice around her waist and a waffle blanket usually start 1 layer and then twice by early hours of morn. sounds like luca is sleeping great. getting up only twice is great! I'm usually 3 or 4 times.
Bonny - I think i've seen an improvement in Indi since 8 weeks but she still has little 'attacks' at night after feeding and often re-wakes before settling into sleep. the good news is that now she's self settling I just walk away and leave her and cross my fingers instead of patting or doing the hallway march. When I suddenly wake up 2 hours later I know she must've fallen back to sleep :). Honestly apart from the discomfort she gets at night she really is such a cruisy little baby. she rarely cries and loves her sleep so I pretty much just put her down and she does a few yells and then goes off to sleep. I find she doesn't manage to do it in the arvos and then i go back to her vib chair but for her morning sleep and at bedtime she does it fine. I started by swaddling 1 arm only and put her in a bag as I think they need their arms to help themselves self settle (some suck hands etc). i think being a second child she was more used to fending for herself and not being rocked etc as my son was def much harder and often cried when i put him down. good luck for monday :fingerscrossed:. I'd love to hear what they say.
great 5 for stickybeaks! anyone else???
Bourbon we posted at the same time. Sorry we won't see you on the 22nd. Getting out will get easier and easier with more practice. Lucy was almost 6 weeks before I ventured out on my own and while I was changing her in the pram at a cafe with my sister and BF she wet over all the blankets and wraps and i burst into tears. But it gets so much easier, I can now take out all 3 kids plus our 2 dogs on my own and am fine. It's just practice.
Marc is in an all in one suit with feet, a wrap, a sheet and a blanket. We also have the heater on low over night in our room where he is to take the chill out if the air. I have topped him up with formula twice at around 7 pm when i've had a really busy day and am unsure I have a good supply. He doesn't like it much but takes it. Hasn't made much difference at all so far.
Bourbon he's sleeping much better than Marc. Sooz I wouldn't hate anyone who has a good sleeper. As I speak DH has brought him out to the lounge room as he just isn't interested in going to bed tonight. I know it won't last. It's the first night we've had both girls asleep by 8 pm in ages and he's up. Just our luck.
2 things I love about him? There are about a million but I love the way he smiles at me in the middle of the night just before I start breastfeeding him, and the way he sighs and puts his arms around my neck after a feed in the middle of the night. Night waking can be a frustrating thing, but with 2 other kids it's our special, quiet time together which I cherish.
Hey does anyone know how Haylz is doing?
Hi guys, I hope to see you at sticky beaks on the 22nd! I will definately try to get there.
great idea for the two things you love!!
I love my cuddles and kisses with Isla! especially in the morning when I take her out of her bassinet and put her on my chest (this can be anywhere from 3am to 5.30am!!)
I also love her smiles and the way her eyes follow me around the room, she looks for ME now!!..I'm her number 1 and I'm cherishing this while it lasts!!
I love how little she is and how she NEEDS me! She doesn't even realise that I NEED her too!! (oops sorry, that was more than 2 things!!)
Mrs L- thanks for thinking of me, we must have posted same time! I'm doing great, having a few issues with reflux and wind with Isla...and settling her in her bassinet! but apart from that,all is good.
sorry havent been posting much, I get on and read how everyone is going then seem to run out of time!
gee we';re all posting same time tonight. Hi halys wondering where u got to. I forgot my 2 things;
- I love the way she stretches her arms up after a feed and her eyebrows lift up and like u sonja I love our quiet time together even if it is the middle of night :)
Ooh yes MrsL I just love love love the stretches and goo-goo face babies make when they are full of breast milk. All 3 of my kids have made that face now so it must be common but it's still so special when Marc does it.
Yep nothing on the box tonight so we're all here!
ooooo lots of chit chat...sounds like there are some improvements on the sleep front for most :smiliedance: Piper is sleeping reliably seven hours through at night, going down somewhere between 6 and 7.30ish, I feed her to sleep and she's off - which is great. Bourbon, I usually have her in an all in one with feet and then just a bamboo heavy blanket that a friend crocheted, but I have reverse cycle ducted heating/air con, so put the heating on and off through the night to keep it warm enough.
Getting out and about...it totally gets easier. I've done the food shopping twice now which I couldn't have imagined doing at five weeks and I've just worn Piper on me so I'm hands free and she loves it, she looks intently at all the food items and both times has fallen asleep at the check out. I'm so glad I'm persevered with wrapping as I now find I'm really mobile in terms of going to the shops, going for walks etc... I actually find now that I'm enjoying going out and about that I actually hate days when I'm in all day so I try to arrange something every day. Mums and bubs movies are so fun and everyone's baby grizzles etc...at some point so you don't feel bad :laughing:
As for Piper we've had a couple of milestones, she laughed at me the first time on Thursday. She's laughed in her sleep before and squeals a lot excitedly at me, but this was her first proper belly chuckle when I was saying 'mum mum mum mum' over and over at her. I really want it to be her first word and I think she was saying...yeah right, that'll be a long way off mum :) Also yesterday she rolled from her front to back :eek:, but I think that was a bit of a fluke as she had an extra large nappy on and was in a funny position. She doesn't seem to show any other signs of doing it anytime soon.
Wow, just two things I love about Piper. I'm going to do three..
1) When she sneezes and can't quite make the last sneeze she sort of makes this funny 'harooooo' noise which kinda sounds like scooby doo :p
2) When she's breast feeding and obviously enjoying it she smiles and looks at me and half pulls off, then gets a look of concentration on her face and goes back to intense sucking..makes me smile everytime :)
3) When I take her nappy off, especially if accompanied by taking all her clothes off, she goes nuts (in a good way) and stretches her arms and legs out like a starfish and opens her eyes really wide, then smiles, squeals and starts moving her arms and legs nineteen to the dozen and wriggles all over the place. She loves being naked :)
Loving hearing about everyone's new squishies and can't wait to meet them at our catch up on the 22nd.:hyper:
Wow it's been busy in here tonight. So glad to hear everyone is getting a little more sleep, nothing like catching a few extra zzzz's to make you feel more human.
Leelee you are welcome to pick the chair up on Monday. It's all washed and ready to go. I'll pm you my number tomorrow as I'm on my phone at the moment.
Glad you are all getting the confidence to take your bubs out and about. My partner kinda booted me out the door the day after I brought DD home I'm really glad he did as I really enjoyed taking her out and would walk her to the shops just about every day. I think I enjoyed showing her off to the world lol.
As far as what I dress DD in when it's cold, I've had her in a sleeping bag since she was 8wks as keeping her wrapped was near on impossible. I just have her pjs and a thick fluffy sleeping bag at the moment she seems to be warm enough as she isn't waking which is usually the 1st sign that she's cold.
Well I must be off, I hope you all have a wonderful weekend.
Lol these 'starfish' like stretches after feeds must be fairly common then huh?! I thought we were special hehe! Luca always arches his back, leans backwards, stretches both arms back and pulls a funny face like 'gee it's a hard life!'
And omg he's started cooing! SO cute! And I couldn't believe the first time was when I wrapped both his arms down which he usually hates - he smiled and cooed at me lol!!
And sometimes he'll give me a big grin when I tickle him and talk cute to him.
These moments are the BEST!!!
Dh is looking forward to sharing the 'big boys bath' with Luca and playing with his toys :-)
I love walking luca in the pram and have since the day I got home from hospital and will get there with the outings. Dh is so much more confident than me as he wants to take him everywhere! Although he doesn't have to bf him etc! He likes the attention, u should have seen all the women that came up to him food shopping!!
ha ha yes that must have been it. Dud Tv shows last night! I try and be in bed at 9 too which doesn't leave much time for TV.
Just thought I'd add that the 10:00 time for stickybeaks is just a roundabout time. obvioously we all realise how hard it is to get out with our bubbies so if it suits u to get ther a little earlier and have a coffee or arrive a little later due to feed/sleep or just getting out the door times then please don't stress. these days have to be flexible :freakingout:.
Oh and i was going to say last night but forgot, that Piper sometimes thrashes around on the boob too Sooz...sometimes feels like she's going to pull my nipple off. I've figured out that it's often when she's trying to do a poo or is having a bit of pain in her gut. If it gets painful, I get her off and give her a few minutes to do her businness. :freakingout:She never cries but does squirm A LOT.
As Mrs L says it could also be a growth spurt and your supply will almost definitely match up. It is extremely uncommon to have a lack of supply if you are demand feeding. If bub is putting on weight, skin looks well and you're getting 5 wettish sposy nappies or 6 cloth nappies and urine pale / clear then all is good.
Bourbon, I would call the ABA if there are any dramas with feeding rather than before opting for formula as they are AWESOME and should be able to help out.
LeeLee - I've called ABA twice & didn't find them as helpful as my CHN, think I'll need to c a LC again. He has periods of being good then bad. I don't want to use formula & would be last resort, gotta go feed time - ouch lol
bummer Bourbon, must be hit and miss, I got a good one when I called :yes: Good luck with feeds today. Sounds like LC is the way to go!!!
LeeLee - you might be right on the wind thing. He was brewing a massive poonami... Sometimes it's hunger I think, though as he demolishes the ebm after fussing on the boob. Where did I put the instruction manual???
I'm loving the favourite things... This time last year I thought I might never be a mother and now I've got this beautiful little being.
Looking forward to the 10ish meet-up.
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I agree with LeeLee on wind as often beipng behind the thrsshing about at the nipple. When Marc does this I pull him off and give him more time to bring up his wind, even at the beginning of feeds. One other tip he really loves it when I lie him face down across my lap with his arms above his head. It really helps him bring up his wind.
What a gorgeous day. Just went for a run to Scarborough and back along Trigg beach. It was beautiful. Days like this i don't miss Melbourne at all.
Hi Everyone..............hope you don't mind if I crash. I have met Hayls (a couple of times) and Bourbon for coffees. Last time we met we were all pregnant and now we all have our bubbies safely in our arms.
I recognise so many names and have read back a few pages to try and see what the latest topics are etc. I read that a few babies are "thrashing around" while bf. I thought my Zoe was the only one to do this..................amazing. I have found that when she does this it's can be either wind or my milk isn't flowing quick enough. Because I do ebm, bf and formula Zoe likes the fact that she doesn't have to work too hard for a meal on a bottle. If I have heaps of milk she is a good feeder on the breast.
Bourbon - I sympathise with you about sore boobs. Mine only just stopped hurting at about 8 weeks. I found manually expressing before attaching Zoe would help with the pain. Manually expressing meant that the milk would be ready to go and Zoe wasn't chewing my breast to bits to get the milk going. If you aren't already doing this maybe it will help.;) Hope everything settles down soon for you. Are you using any special cream? I found that helped too. If you need the name of the cream I was using let me know and I'll go and see what it's called. I know it's got purple on the tube and has lanolin in it. I have heaps of small tubes (not used) that I got in "show bags" so don't buy any I can always send these to you.
Two things I love - Hmmmm so many to choose from. I love the sigh she gives just before falling asleep and the love that she shows in her eyes when she looks at me or her daddy.
Sooz - so agree with not knowing if we were going to be mums and now we have these precious miracles.:goodvibes:
Hope to get to know you all a bit better as time goes on:p
Always Hoping - hey there!!! Long time no see I hope you are doing well and Zoe also.
The cream is Lansinoh, I bought it in preparation while preg! It does help but I got told not to use too much as it can soften nipples and make them less hardy but when they r sore it's fine.
Luca just is always in a feeding frenzy even on EBM he skulls!!
Things are pretty good with him though, one LC said he has a little mouth and when he grows he will be able to open wider.
I'm glad I asked everyone their fav bub moments as it makes me smile reading them :-)
Gotta go change boob for expressing, just call me 'Jersey Cow' haha
just spent the day mentally adding to my list of little things I love...
Isn't is just amazing the love u feel for them. Something you could never explain so we are all so lucky to be able to experience it. I think the heartaches we all faced on our IVF journeys makes these bubs even more special :cloud9:
Anyone used Wombie wraps? Wondering what kind to get. Luca hates the wrap me ups they r too restrictive. Thinking the lil rascal wombie??
Went to gp, think I have nipple thrush, apparently common & what may be causing all my pain. Anyone had this?
Bourbon - sounds very painful. I have heard of it but didn't/don't have it myself. Hopefully a course of antibiotics will do the job. I have a very painful enlarged sweat gland in my armpit and it hurts - ouch!! (not to mention gross). I had it checked by the Dr today. He said if it gets infected then I have to go on a course of antibiotics.
It will be interesting to hear about the Wombie wraps as Zoe doesn't like to be restricted either. She's happy to go to sleep like that but I hear her at 2:00 am trying to get her arms out of the muslin wrap - and she succeeds too. Very determined:yes:.
Hi everyone, hope your day was nice.:wave:
Alwayshoping - yeah I hate hearing their determined grunts as they try to break free as I know if he succeeds it's more time spent awake rocking him back to sleep!
There is a 'lil rascal' wombie which is less restrictive which I think I'll try. Transitions them to notbeing wrapped toofor sleeping bags etc..
Bonny - how'd u go at ngala?
Bourbon - sound painful - hope that this sorts things out for you. Your comment about 'jersey cow' mad me laugh as my step mum said Elliot was thriving on jersey royals - which is a type of potato. I had visions of him munching on tatties.
Always - will you be joining us on Sunday. We've got a list somewhere with everyone on it plus bubs.
Bonny - hope that today went well.
There should have been a couple of more babies born by now (Bebe and babydreaming). Hope that hings are well with you guys.
Interesting you should say that about nipple thrush as I though I had that a few weeks back. Had some signs, sore breasts (both), red nipples, skin on breasts hurt to touch and were itchy. I went to an after hours GP at Swans as it was over Easter and i wanted to get it cleared up asap if so. She prescribed cream for breasts and drops for Pipers mouth, but noted that Pipers mouth was clean and didn't appear to have any thrush which is unusual if you have thrush of the nipple as it's usually spread between mum and baby. I didn't give P the drops and decided to wait to see normal GP on Wednesday and she thought it unlikely I had thrush and said it was massively over diagnosed. She said it was extremely unlikely if P didn't have it in her mouth. She suggested that it was just my breasts getting used to feeding and that often it takes quite sometime to settle down. They have definitely got better and I have been more vigilant over P's latch as she likes to suck on the end of the nipple if she can get away with it :eek:. Also, I was letting her squirm on the breast more, now I'm taking her off if she is what I call 'playing' and wait till she sucks properly . Does Luca have thrush in his mouth?
I don't have any advice about wrapping as Piper has always hated it and would do a houdini act to get out. I just have a weighty blanket on her which luckily seems to work for us :rolleyes:
Sooz - I would have loved to have joined you all on Sunday. Thank you for asking but I am going out for lunch for a girlfriend's birthday. I would love to come to the next catch up though:hyper:.
LeeLee - you are lucky not having to wrap Piper and just put a blanket over her. Zoe kicks her legs around so much she would wake herself up thrashing around if I didn't have her wrapped in a knot.:laughing:
AFU - Zoe has been a wonderful sleeper - bed by 7:30 and wakes at 6:30 am - yes, an all night sleeper and has done since she was about 3-4 weeks old. I'm very lucky. Now she is waking up at 4:00 am and tonight she has been quite unsettled so I have just woke her and fed her a "dreamfeed". Hopefully that will settle her until morning. Very unusual for her to be unsettled at this time of night. When I went to her she had wriggled both her arms out of her muslin wrap. Hmmmmm.......I wonder if it's because her hands are getting cold that she's waking. Don't want to put scratch mits on her because she sucks her fists and am scared she will end up with the scratch mit in her mouth (and not on her hand anymore). I have been on the phone for 2 hours to a girlfriend and maybe Zoe could hear me talking and it was disturbing her - who knows!!!!!!!
Better go to bed and get some sleep.
Night all xxx
Wow first day I've spent at home in ages because of the rain! Almost don't know what to do with myself.
Well we've started to wean Marc off wrapping. He's getting too big for his wraps and is breaking free during the night and not going to sleep so DH and I have decided to start him getting used to being settled without it. He's also sleeping a lot on his tummy so needs to be unwrapped. Bit hit and miss but we'll get there.
Bonny - how was Monday? Hope you got some great help!
Enjoy the rain everyone. Does anyone know the forecast for Sunday? I always assume it never rains in Perth :D
wow yeah hows the rain?!? partly cloudy sunday no rain :D
There has been a fair bit of chat in the last couple of days, so its taken me all afternoon to read through...inbetween tending to the little one!
sooz - I just cannot believe Elliot sleeps 10hrs straight at night, thats just amazing. As some of the others have already mentioned about the squirming on the boob, Ivy does it too. Sounds like a lot of them do it. Whenever Ivy does it I take her off, and spend a few mins burping her...and without fail she always brings up a few huge burps. Once she has those up, she then feeds more calmly.
MrsL - Hey its good to hear that Indi is getting into a better sleep routine. Doesnt it make all the difference. Is she still using her chair just as much or is it more the bassinet/cot these days?
sonja - wow I cant believe you venture out with your 3 kids and 2 dogs...Id have a nervous breakdown! I managed a trip to Coles on my own the other day, talk about stressing out. Fastest shop Ive ever done. I was in the fruit and veg section and I pushed the trolley over one of those rubber mats on the floor, which startled Ivy causing her to start screaming. Luckily she calmed down within a couple of minutes, but I felt like a wreck by the time I got home.
leelee - hi there, sounds like you have a nice little sleeper on your hands too. I love all 3 things that you mentioned you love about Piper...I see them in Ivy too and its just sooo cute.
bourbon - Yeah what is it about women going up to DH's in shops when they have the baby?! When DH is out with her he comes home telling me about all these women asking him qu's about Ivy...but when I have been out with her I dont get it. I too find the Wrap Me Ups too restrictive and tight fitting across her tummy. Luckily we only bought 1 as she was in it all of about 5 mins before we took her out. Ivy wears a long sleeve onesie, swaddled in a muslin (arms out) with a blanket over the top of her. but this is on the few occasions she actually sleeps in the bassinet!!!
always hoping - welcome!! Hope the lump under your arm clears up quickly, sounds quite painful.
hayls - How is Isla going these days? Has she had vaccinations yet?
Hello to anyone Ive missed, lots to catch up on.
AFM - Well we had our daystay at Ngala yesterday. Let me say that I have come away with a renewed hope that Ivy will sleep!!!!!! And this is huge, haha, as we had all but given up on getting more than a 30 minute sleep out of her. The nurse we had was fantastic and had such a wonderful way with Ivy. She got her sleeping in a basinett by 10.30am....this has NEVER happened with DH and I. She slept for 1.5hrs total, although we had to settle her a few times. This was all we managed for the day, but I have still learnt so much.
She said she could definitely see the reflux in her and could tell that this was keeping her from falling asleep, and then if she did sleep...its what is waking her up. She then gets extremely overtired...and the viscious cycle begins.
Also, DH and I havent been reading her sleep cues well enough and have probably been overstimulating her because she is up most of the day.
Success story is that Ivy slept from 6.30pm until 6.30am...although we did 3 feeds and settled her half a dozen times. She didnt need holding and this was all in her bassinet. This is still a massive step forward. So I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, still a way off yet, but its definitely there :D
2 things I love about her, OMG just stating 2 is sooo hard as I could list a million things...
1. 1st thing in the morning when she is lying on the change mat having her nappy changed, she smiles and coo's til the cows come home. Her eyes twinkle and she looks like she has such a love of life already.
2. Seeing her little bare bum when I give her nappy-free tummy time...its so cute...and really is smooth as a babys bottom!
Just a quick one from me as I'm feeling tired tonight...just wanted to pop in and say..yippeeeeee to Bonny, I'm so glad the Ngala stay was good and gave you some strategies. I too found it difficult to read some of the sleepy daytime cues and overstimulated in the early days as I thought she wanted to play (then of course she got over tired). And I agree with the little bottoms at nappy free time, Piper just wriggles around so excitedly when she has her nappy off...I call it the freedom wriggle.:D
Yay Bonny so glad the day stay was worth it.
If it's ok, can I ask 2 questions. First, how do you tell between a wake up that requires only resettling and one that wants a feed? I try to not feed if the time is less than 3 hours since the last feed but it's not always successful.
Also, what technique did they use to resettle? Is it rolling onto her side and patting her back or bottom and shushing?
bonny - thats fantastic news! I agree its really hard to read the sleep cues, its all such a guessing game. I often put indi in bed worried that she isn't tired enough yet especially in the afternoons as she can often have her big awake time then. I usually opt for an outing instead in car or pram to let her sleep that way if she's tired without the pressure.
And isn't it crazy that overtired babies don't sleep! hello if you're tired GO TO SLEEP! :rolleyes:
I also have a qu - what did they say about swaddling with arms out at this age? indi's day sleeps seem shorter but not sure if that is just what she's doing now or if its because i've stopped the swaddling too early...
and yes in her bassinet :smiliedance:. big breakthrough! She will still often wake after being put down/first going to sleep perhaps due to reflux as u say Ivy does but she doesn't cry so i leave her and she might just yell a bit before resettling herself. I can see that me constantly rocking that chair only meant she wanted it done again whenever she was woke up. I really don't want to jinx myself but the last few nights her sleeping has improved considerably. whether this is just an age thing now (9 and half weeks) who knows. these babies keep us guessing :confused:.
Hey there ladies, Im still feeling a little more human today as Ivy had another great sleep....compared to what she was like before. Still got up for 3 feeds and about 3 re-settles...but this is just magical compared to earlier. We are struggling on daysleeps still....DH in there atm trying to settle her. She dozes off for about 5-10mins then wakes up.
This morning we got 30mins sleep, with 1.5hrs of settling! However, this 30min sleep is more than we managed before...we have to remember its baby steps and hopefully get there eventually.
leelee - Thanks for coming in and giving us the big yippeee :smiliedance: haha early days yet still. Its hard putting them to bed when they look like they want to play. I feel like the biggest meanie in the world keeping her in bed if I see her smile or coo.
sonja - In regard to the re-settling techniques we were shown...the morning sleep was slightly different to the afternoon sleep, merely because in the morning she was a lot more relaxed and compliant to sleep. We put her to bed awake then simply walked out. They have cameras in the room so we watched her lie there for a while, waving her arms around and the occasional kick of the leg. After a while she became a little vocal. We went in there and simply spoke to her!!! The nurse would say something like "Its time to sleep. You need to close your eyes and go to sleep". Ivy stopped making noise, and calmed upon hearing the voice. We walked out again, and repeated this for about half an hour before she fell asleep. I was amazed that she slept, however Ivy was quite receptive to this so I guess we were on the right foot to start with.
The afternoon was a different story. She was really restless and dead against going to sleep. We shushed in her ear, very close to the ear and fairly loud. We also rocked the bassinet. If she was in a cot this wouldnt have worked. We also tried a dummy, which she doesnt normally take. When she got really worked up, we picked her up and held her until calm, then we put her back down again. We only got a few short bursts of sleep from her, but again, this is more than we ever got before.
In regard to them waking for resettle or feed...the nurse tried to get us to stretch it to 4hrs. Normally I too wouldnt feed much before the 3hr mark, but when she was down in the afternoon and we were trying to get her to sleep, we resettled until about 4hrs since last feed and then when she was still not sleeping, we got her up and fed. She was of the opinion that you never wake a sleeping baby for a feed at night. However, during the daytime, dont let the baby sleep more then 5hrs as this will disrupt her daytime and nighttime. hmm, I dont think I've really been able to answer this qu too well as we didnt really discuss it too much.
MrsL - In regard to swaddling, when we first got there she asked us what we normally do. We told her that she likes her arms free, so we only swaddle her from the underarms down. For the morning sleep, Ivy was really relaxed and responsive, and she went to bed swaddled from the underarms down. However, the afternoon she was cranky and restless, so the nurse advised that we swaddle her arms as well, as this helps to calm a restless baby. Basically, if the baby is calm, they can be slept without the swaddle, but the more restless they are, they are better when swaddled.
I guess every baby is different, as is every parent, and also every person who offers advice. I just found the daystay really helpful for us in our situation and it helped greatly having a nurse who I felt confident in and she had a fantastic way with Ivy. I was almost envious that she was able to settle her with such ease, and yet I fumble and feel like I'll never get there. DH reminded me that she settles babies for a living....so she should be able to settle most bubs. Wheras Im a complete newby. Im very tempted to do another daystay as I gained so much from it and I felt that we finished the course and I still had sooo much to ask. Depends on health cover as to how much it costs. Mine was 100% covered which is awesome. It goes on a sliding scale depending on household income. However, the normal charge is $205 for bubs and $205 for mum.
Thanks bonny. Very interesting. I reckon if Marc isn't sleeping well in a month's time I'm going to book in. I should have done it with lucy and tried to with scarlett but the wait lists in melbourne for sleep school are ridiculous. Up to 3 months. Insane.
wow she does sound like u did get a great nurse. interesting about the arvo swaddling. perhaps i'll try doing that in the arvos in future with indi. sounds like u are def getting there but v exhausting for u guys to do all that settling. Indi is somewhat like that but not to that extreme. i find she always does her best sleep of the day when I have her 'on the move' from car to pram, walking around, back in car etc etc cos its prob like a constant resettling act!
They keep us guessing!!
Luca has made the transition from rocker to bassinet fine woohoo!
Last night he slept 7pm to 2am (8 hrs without a feed but I never wake him at night only day), then feed at 2am then 3 hourly. However he grunted & groaned alot trying to break out of his swaddle. I find if unswaddled his startle reflex & arm waving wakes him. He used to like one arm in one out but now he keeps touching the side of bassinet & I've read they don't realize it's their arm doing it lol.
Man were my boobs engorged last night, soaked my breast pads & crop top as when I lie on side they move. Moist environment - not helping the thrush. Still got sore boobs, gp gave me meds that don't work according to BH girls & the net Grr. Luca still has white on his tongue so hope he's not in pain, he's feeding well at least. He's gone from 3 hr feeds during day to 2 hr! Growth spurt no doubt.
Dh going away today til sun :-(
Well gotta go.
Bonny thanks for sharing, I've learnt not to pick up luca so fast now too & he's learning to self settle. Glad things r better than before for you xx
Hi everyone else :-)
:smiliedance:congrats on the transition to bassinet bourban. sounds like little luca has really done a 360 on the whole sleeping deal.
Went into Indi today and she had her first little tear on her cheek. forgot how heartbreaking that first one was :(.
Looking forward to seeing u sunday 10am @ stickybeaks sooz, leelee, hayls, Bonny and Sonja. was there anyone else?
Can't wait to see you all.
I was thinking going forward maybe we could meet up at each other's houses? Might be a bit easier as the babies get older and also as the weather gets cooler.
See you on Sunday.
Isn't it heartbreaking seeing a tear on their face? Not going to take much for Luca to get his own way, a few tears & he'll have me wrapped around his finger lol!
As for catching up at houses, it does make sense but depends on how many kids will be there too, personally I'm renting a sml 3x2 and it could be hard. Not sure I'd want to meet up in cool & especially wet weather though unless it was a house?
Wrapping - who uses sleeping bags? I have some ready for when Luca is old enough not to be wrapped. Can't wait as swaddling sometimes does my head in - if he's not grunting trying to break free hes burying himself.
Have to go just discovered my laundry is a bit flooded from a leaking tap - great.
Dh away too. I didn't empty the trough after his last bath as it's loud but didn't know a tap leaks - overflowed all over the floor Grr.
The tears are horrible. I had them after a car journey and I felt so bad - poor little monkey.
Isn't it funny that last time we we worried about keeping our preggie bodies cool.
I'm happy to have people over. We've got an open plan living area that should fit us all in.
Looking forward to tomorrow.
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We are also open plan so happy to host here. It's what we did after my old mother's group in Melbourne stopped meeting at the centre. So long as everyone brings something to eat and everyone pitches in after with the tidying then it's usually manageable. You just need an area to lie a mat down for the babies to lie on. MrsL and I are the ones with older kids so we'd need to bring something to keep them entertained.
See you tomorrow.
Looking forward to tomorrow. Also happy to host catch ups but am out in Guildford and not sure anyone is east, so also happy to travel. I may be a bit late tomorrow as lots of the roads are closed, i.e. the Graham Farmer which I'd normally use to get to Kings Park until 10am, but shouldn't be later than 10.30. I haven't met anyone before, so won't recognise you so if you're there already and you see a woman wandering around with a baby strapped to her in a black wrap looking intently at groups of mums with babies, that will be me :laughing:
bourban -I use a bag for Indi. I find it so much easier for night nappy changes as well as she just has a body suit under rather than all those press studs. With the weather so cool you could use a bag and still swaddle over the top. My fav are snugtime tho indi is in a sprout brand at the mo (both at myer).
yeah I was also thinking about houses and would be happy to offer myn too. prob even easier with having the older one. we should try and come up with a set week day that we always have it on so that people can organise their gymberoo, swimming lessons, other mo groups etc around. I know my calendar gets pretty full!
Little monkey just went to bed for an an hour and then woke up :confused:.
see you'll in the morn :hyper:
MrsL I think it's the full moon ! We had a similar start to our night here.
Just realised I don't have anyones' mobile. Elliot is flat out after grumbing all morning. I'm going to be very late...
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How did the catch up go yesterday? Hope everyone enjoyed meeting each other and putting names to faces. It would have been nice to come and meet everyone but I had a birthday lunch to go to, which was really nice.
Well I put Zoe in a snuggle sleeping bag thingy (I've thrown the packaging out and can't remember what it's called but it's the one that allows their arms to be up beside their face). Swear by it. She woke at 3:30 am for a feed and then asleep until 7:30 this morning. Ahhhhhhh fabulous. She is also having a morning nap and hasn't stirred (touch wood). I'm going out today to buy two more (just in case there is an accident (or two) during the night or day).
PS - I have an open plan home and would also be happy to host coffee catch ups. I live in Atwell (SOR).
Always the catch up was great. It was the third one we've had and hopefully you can make it to the next. We have tentatively pencilled in a monthly (?) catch up on a Wednesday from 9.30 am. I'm very happy to host the first one if it suits. I'm in Trigg. Just need to work out when ...
LeeLee the cradle cap shampoo I use is called Dentinox. Here's a link to it on eBay
Hope that works. I've actually combed it through scarlett's hair to remove the crusty bits and it worked really well. I don't wash her hair often enough to be honest for it to really work but it does keep it under control.
How's everyone going? Bourbon how are you going without DH. We were thinking of you yesterday and hoping all is well.
always - is that like a swaddle wrap one? I'd like something that makes Indi sleep that well :yes:. can u post the name when u buy another. ta.
yeah catch up was great. for those not there do wed morns suit u too? That'd be great Sonja if u don't mind hosting the first :). Maybe somewhere around the 18th or 25th? it'd be great to meet the rest of u too...
I am so bad with names i was wondering if there is a way to group pm everyone our net name with real name so we don't get :confused:.
Catch up was a success methinks. All the bubs were pretty settled. I won't be back until the 21st june... so would prefer 25th, but don't want people to hold on for me.
we've got a busy day tomorrow with gymbaroo and injections. The rest of the week will be pretty quiet though. I'm getting braver with getting out and about though as I was getting cabin fever.
Hope everyone is well, especially the little ones.
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Ha ha Mrs L...glad you asked first as I was about to say - gah, I forgot most of your names already :eek: it was lovely to be able to picture who I'm chatting to on line now though. My name is Lianda for those that may have forgotten :laughing:
Am keen for regular monthly catch up and Wednesday mornings are good for me, either the 18th or 25th is fine.
Thanks for the link Sonja, *off to have a looksie now* We started Mum and Baby yoga in Bassendean this morning which is great fun. Got to catch up with a couple of mums who I did preggie yoga with at the same place and their little ones are six months now.
Piper slept for about three hours this afternoon...unheard of. She's gone down at about 8 which is good as I thought she wouldn't sleep after all that, but I'm hoping this means she's not going to have a wakeful night :fingerscrossed:
Hello ladies, sorry to be MIA for awhile! The catch up sounds like it was fun and I'm sorry I missed it. I actually had a breakfast we were meant to go to but I cancelled that also as Isla had a bad night that turned into a bad day..hence no sleep for both of us!
Wednesday mornings are good for me too..9.30 is pretty early but I can try to get my act together for then! I am also happy for it to be at my place whenever! I'm in Innaloo.
Hayls we can make it 10 if that's easier. I have school drop off at 9 but forget those of you with 1 baby don't have the same pressure to get on the road. I don't mind at all.
Shall we pencil in the 25th? Would be great to hear about your trip Sooz.
My name is. pretty easy to remember :laughing:
Sonja- If 10am suits others otherwise if you keep it at 9.30 I can just come a bit later anyway..depends on Isla's feed time usually. pencilling in the 25th now!!
Sooz- where do you go to Gymbaroo? and what does it entail??
Sounds like everyone had a great time at the catch up. Meeting monthly on a Wednesday sounds wonderful. Any time suits me. I'm a little confused though.....some dates are being thrown around and they seem to be Saturdays? Am I going mad or is it too late when reading these posts and I can't understand??????:freakingout:
MrsL - I will let you know the name as soon as I can. It's more like a sleeping bag (but tightly fitted and very stretchy) than a swaddle. It has funny shaped arms that point upwards to allow their arms to be near their face. It also has a double zip so you can just undo the bottom half for nappy changes. Has a peek-a-boo hole in the back to check nappies too. I haven't needed to go digging around to know whether it needs changing.................can smell it a mile away:D
Hayls - hope Isla is having better nights and days - for both your sakes:).
Has anyone else experienced this. Zoe is bf and formula. She is taking to rejecting her bottle feeds and will only wants bf. I let her bf for about 10 mins and then slip the bottle in and hope she doesn't notice the difference. Sometimes I win sometimes I don't:rolleyes:. It can't be that she doesn't like the taste of the formula as she devours her dreamfeed bottle at 10:30 pm. I'm confused.:confused: I know she is starting to teeth (not actually having teeth come through but the buds are developing in her gums). Perhaps she just wants to be comforted by bf.
I've been reading this book called "Save our Sleep" by (I think) Tiggie Hall. Really good hints and tips to getting a routine. Also great section on introducing solids and which types of foods to introduce at different stages. She actually recommends introducing solids (small amount) at 4.5 months as there is research showing that foods introduced before 6 months decreases the chances of food allergies, intolerances and fussy eating. The clinic nurse that I take Zoe to also said to introduce small amounts of solids at about this time too. Interesting:)
Must go to bed, very tired.
Have a wonderful day tomorrow ladies. I hope you have a great sleep and wake up to very happy bubbies.
Always - you're right it's the 22nd. Wed 25th is in May... Sorry I can't help about the formula issue.
Hayls - it's in Balcatta - so not far from you. They show you different ways to interact with your baby - using musical instruments etc. They try and help improve spacial awareness by rolling bubs, placing them on scooter boards, rocking them in hammocks, gently bouncing them on the trampoline. Elliot seems to really enjoy it. He perks up when he hears the intro song. As they get older, there's more that they can do, but it's still good fun. Elliot slept through one week, so it's a bit hit and miss what they get out of it at this age...
Well injections are done - it was heartbreaking hearing his screams, but as soon as he was on the boob he calmed down. Where do people go for their injections, I went to Osbourne Park as instructed by the CHN, but would prefer to go to my GP? Do GPs do the injections?
Sooz I got to my GP where they are done by the nurse. I find it far more convenient.
Sorry always can't help with the formula question, except to say bf is not just about hunger but also comfort so maybe she's needing a bit of extra soothing at the moment.
I have Save our Sleep. It doesn't work for us as with 2 older kids I need a much more flexible routine but there are som good ideas in it a lot of people swear by it. I'll be starring solids at 4 months. I think most of the research now is of the view that there isn't much of a link between allergies and when you start solids.
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