Goats based Formula

[Mischief]

Hi guys,

I'm about to switch my little bubba to formula....I just cant keep going expressing forever. :( I'm so sad and scared!

A few weeks ago I started giving him one bottle of Karicare normal of a night and I think it upset his tummy, so I'm planning on trying a goats based formula, as I was alergic to dairy as a child, so maybe Oliver is too.

Does anyone use the Karicare one? Is it good? Is it bad? Does it cause constipation? Please please tell me everything you know about formula....Ive got no clue!!!

Thanks!
Kat

[jasminesmum]

My dd used to be on Karicare de-lact formula when she was a baby.

She did have trouble with constipation at first but it sorted itself out after a while.

She is now 16mths old and I have her on Karicare Goat follow-on formula.
I did have her just on the normal goats milk in the carton but it was really hard to buy so I changed her on to the formula.

She has had no problems with this either.
I will be keeping her on goats milk as she has excema as well.

Actually goats milk is supposed to be the closest thing to breast milk.

All the best with your desision. Hope it goes well for you.

[Goosie22]

Mischief,

If your worried about allergies, then hydrolysed formulas would be a better choice. The protien is "pre digested" so to speak and there fore gets through the gut without causing allergen production.

[Mischief]

Mischief,

If your worried about allergies, then hydrolysed formulas would be a better choice. The protien is "pre digested" so to speak and there fore gets through the gut without causing allergen production.

Hi Goosie

Where do I get these ones from? Are they from the Chemist?

Ps, Thank you for all your help and encouragement over the past 4 and a half LONG LONG BF monthes! :hugs:

[jasminesmum]

Mischief,

If your worried about allergies, then hydrolysed formulas would be a better choice. The protien is "pre digested" so to speak and there fore gets through the gut without causing allergen production.

I thought these formulas where useful only if your baby has an allergy to the protein in dairy. Isn't the protein broken down to make it more digestable. Is this right?

If it is actually the lactose the baby can't have do these formulas help?

[CrazyBeautiful]

I think Karicare produce a hydrolysed formula. Good luck.:thumbsup:

[Goosie22]

I thought these formulas where useful only if your baby has an allergy to the protein in dairy. Isn't the protein broken down to make it more digestable. Is this right?

If it is actually the lactose the baby can't have do these formulas help?

Its not to make it more digestable in the usual sense of the word, but for babies with an allergy (also IMO anyone who BMS/AFs). The protien is broken down, so it cant cause the reaction or a less likey possibility of a reaction.

You need a script from your GP for these BMS but they are sterile preperations, are elemental in there design so are actually scientificly produced to contain exact quantities of certain things. Not like normal BMS which may or may not contain things that they aspouse to on the lable (because there is not a government requirement). The elemental formulas are considered a medication not a food source. And for that reason are more stringently monitored.

[jasminesmum]

Its not to make it more digestable in the usual sense of the word, but for babies with an allergy (also IMO anyone who BMS/AFs). The protien is broken down, so it cant cause the reaction or a less likey possibility of a reaction.

You need a script from your GP for these BMS but they are sterile preperations, are elemental in there design so are actually scientificly produced to contain exact quantities of certain things. Not like normal BMS which may or may not contain things that they aspouse to on the lable (because there is not a government requirement). The elemental formulas are considered a medication not a food source. And for that reason are more stringently monitored.

Thanks for that information Goosie.

[Pixie]

My DP was actually raised on Goats milk Kat the real stuff as his mum's milk dried up. I know it's not the formula based one but just an idea he is fine and was fine although he does eat everything :D

[melbryan]

I used the KAricare goats after using all of the other formulas . DS1 didn't like any of the others and when he went on it he changed as he was lactose intoleralnt and always seemed to be crying from an upset tummy. With any formulas they may get constipation but it passes after a while. It's hard er to get as not all chemists and so on stock it. He was still on it at 15 mths as we were scared to try any cow based formula.

[Mischief]

My DP was actually raised on Goats milk Kat the real stuff as his mum's milk dried up. I know it's not the formula based one but just an idea he is fine and was fine although he does eat everything :D

Pixie - Thanks for that! Goosie and I were actually talking about this the other day!

Goosie - Can you remember the name of the suppliment you said I could get from the chemist?

I think I really would like to try offering him goats milk if possible. I really hate formula....mainly cause I cant stand the taste of it myself, so I dont blame Oliver for not being fussed with it.... LOL

[Missus S]

Mischief - before you buy a tin of Goat's formula.........contact Karicare and they will send you out some free samples. Otherwise the tins are about $26 and you may waste your money if your bub can't tolerate it. If your bub is under 12 months old they will just have to send it out to your Doctor or pharmacist (they are not alllowed to send it to you direct).

http://www.nutricia.com.au/contacts.asp

Also, this link is quite good and talks about their 'specialty' range and when it's appropriate to use the different formulas:

http://www.nutricia.com.au/speciality.asp

[jessgray]

my ds1 is 16 months and is lactose intolerant and he is on the s26 LF (lactose free) formula. he has been on this since he was diagnosed and after we realised it wouldnt be wise to try a soy formula after he reacted to soy.
our next formula to try was a goats one if ds didnt take to the s26 one but we never had to try it. the s26's formulas come in sachet packs which we found handy when we wanted to trial the formula :)

[Mischief]

Well I went and asked the Chemist for advice...they said there is no reason why he cant try the Goats Milk Formula, esp since allergy to dairy runs in my family.

I read up a heap about pure Goats Milk, but its not recommended for babies under 6months, and even after that should only be with breast milk as a bottle a day, as the protein and sulfer is much higher than human milk or formula. So I decided that it is probably safer to try formula, although I dont like it.

The goats formula doesnt taste that bad (yes I taste everything before it goes in my boys mouth! LOL) and himself seems to like it. 2 bottles today, 1 of 180ml and 1 of 230ml! He guzzled it up in 20 minutes flat!!!!

Fingers crossed it works for him, it does say its for sensitive stomaches so lets hope.....

Thank you everyone for your advice!

[BubbaNoogie]

If the goats milk gives Oli any troubles, I have heard that Karicare soy formula is good. I have been researching in case I decide to supplement Amaris because of her eczema and a suspected milk allergy.

Good luck with the goats milk.

[MumofMadd]

Hi my DS used the Karicare Goats Formula from the age of 5months till the end of bottles never had a problem with it.

[Missus S]

Karicare Soy formula is fantastic :thumbsup: We've never had a problem with it.

We did get samples of the Karicare Goat formula sent out, but DD did react to it so she is definitely lactose intolerant. Goat formula forms a softer curd in their bellies which makes it easier for them to digest..........but it's obviously no good if bub's is lactose intolerant.

[Goosie22]

Goosie - Can you remember the name of the suppliment you said I could get from the chemist?

Pentavite (Vitamin sup) or Pepti~junor (hydrolysed ABMS)

[Missus S]

Sorry Goosie - are they actual formulas or just supplements?? And what does BMS stand for??

[Mischief]

Well touch wood *taps myself on the head*.....

Oliver seems to be going well on the goats formula! No fussing over bottles, he drinks it up like a dream. He's been a little windier, but part of that may be the faster flowing teats he is now using too, so I have to spend more time burping him.

He doesnt seem to be upset, or have a tummy ache, so I'm really hoping this is going to be good. If not I guess we will be trying the soy formula.

[Goosie22]

Sorry Goosie - are they actual formulas or just supplements?? And what does BMS stand for??

Pentivite is a multi~vitamin suppliment you can add to feeds and ABMS is artificial Breast milk Substitute or formula;) .

[Missus S]

Thanks Goosie :)

I already add probiotics to Gemma's formula which helps protect her from gastrovirus etc, but never thought about adding a multi-vitamin supplement. I thought that the formula would contain enough vitamins and iron already..........maybe not, I'll speak to my GP about it.

[Goosie22]

Formula has vitamins added, I was telling Mischief about how staight milk used to be mix up 2:1 with water and added vitamin suppliment instead of formula.

Its not considered a suitable option now days though.