View Full Version : I'm hyperventilating!!!!
Deserama
28-08-2010, 14:51
Look I don't post in here. I don't even read this forum, out of boredom I thought I'd read some threads and OMG!!!!
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/4813345/12842144
this!!!!!
Had me in tears, that poor poor baby! Nobody was picking him up and comforting him. He was in soooooo much pain! You wouldn't even treat a DOG like that!!!
I just wanted to climb through the screen and whisk that poor newborn away!!!!
I don't undestand ANY mother would allow such treatment to a baby!!
I never knew how they circumcised infacts, I thought AT LEAST they put them under GA if not local and do it...but no....they well don't! Do they?? I've been so naive (but not naive enough to circumcise my darling boys...they're intact)
How dare anyone treat an innocent child like that!!!
I'm livid!!! :banghead::banghead::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::cryin g:
crazyaboutbubs
28-08-2010, 15:05
I can't watch that video at work. And I don't personally like the idea of RIC, but I do believe some people may be very offended by your post.
I couldn't watch more than 30 seconds. :no:
I had to close the window.
That poor baby was screaming so hard that he was only breathing so that he could scream! :(:no::crying::gloomy:
MrJones&Me
28-08-2010, 15:12
I couldn't watch anymore than 10 seconds of that, the way that baby was screaming even before the op
:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:
waterlily
28-08-2010, 15:13
I can't bring myself to watch it an I'm already disgusted. :(
headoverfeet
28-08-2010, 15:20
Me too waterlily :(
Deserama
28-08-2010, 15:48
I can't watch that video at work. And I don't personally like the idea of RIC, but I do believe some people may be very offended by your post.
I don't care if they are!!! They should be more offended by how that baby is being treated! The doctor was talking away...blah blah blah while that baby SCREAMED IN AGONY and he didn't skipa beat. Didn't even TRY to comfort the baby...
I couldn't watch more than 30 seconds. :no:
I had to close the window.
That poor baby was screaming so hard that he was only breathing so that he could scream! :(:no::crying::gloomy:
I noticed that too...he had to take a deep breat at one point and all I could think was how vet treat animals more humanely than that.
madreader
28-08-2010, 16:06
Omg i could not watch more than 10 seconds or so. That poor little baby.:crying:
Lemonhead
28-08-2010, 16:42
I refuse to watch it for the same reason I stop myself from reading stories about abused children in the paper and online etc...I cant put myself through that.
I have seen a RIC done online before though, and all I can say is that it will NEVER happen to my boys. I would never do that to them, I just couldn't.
I hate the old "its just a bit of skin" comment people use to justify it...soooo cutting off a piece of skin doesn't hurt hey? :confused::rolleyes:
MrJones&Me
28-08-2010, 16:43
I hate the old "its just a bit of skin" comment people use to justify it...soooo cutting off a piece of skin doesn't hurt hey? :confused::rolleyes:
:iagree:
especially on the genitals!!
Ill just cut your labia off while you're 100% awake aye?
OneBabyBoy
28-08-2010, 16:48
Cut a 'piece of skin' off an animal like that and you'd be charged, but people do this to their babies???
Sad, horrifying :(
Lemonhead
28-08-2010, 16:50
Cut a 'piece of skin' off an animal like that and you'd be charged, but people do this to their babies???
Sad, horrifying :(
Yeah its illegal to dock a dogs tail or crop their ears, but it is totally fine to slice off parts of our boys' penises.
What the? :confused:
:eek:
im glad i made myself watch that because i have always said if i had sons they would be circumcised
i feel sick thinking that i was willing to put my "future sons through that
:barf:
that poor baby :crying:
OneBabyBoy
28-08-2010, 16:56
Well bunkx thats one good thing to come out of it! Thank you for making that decision!
Well bunkx thats one good thing to come out of it! Thank you for making that decision!:iagree::yes::yelclap:
Phyllis Stein
28-08-2010, 18:15
Ill just cut your labia off while you're 100% awake aye?
Oh, but it's perfectly ok if they don't remember it (not).
Didn't watch the video, value my sanity too much.
I have a friend who used to assist in circs back in the 80s - her experiences have made her one of the most rabidly anti-RIC people I know. :( Not that I think RIC would be ok if it was painless - there's much more wrong with it than just that.
laylasmumma23
28-08-2010, 18:21
Oh wow :eek:
That poor bubby :no::crying: thats just awful!!
Why would you put your child through so much unecessary pain!
Im with you Deserama on whisking that baby to safety!
Poor baby, I couldnt watch it all to sad. What makes me sick about it is that it doenst need to be done, If it was a medial needed surgery it would be done in the OR under a GA.
As a mum whos kid has had more surgerys than hot dinners I will never understand why anyone would put there baby through a operation unless it was needed.
waterlily
28-08-2010, 18:30
Poor baby, I couldnt watch it all to sad. What makes me sick about it is that it doenst need to be done, If it was a medial needed surgery it would be done in the OR under a GA.
As a mum whos kid has had more surgerys than hot dinners I will never understand why anyone would put there baby through a operation unless it was needed.
:iagree:
I won't watch it...can't bring myself to because I could never get it out of my head and I'm already very anti-ric. A friend of my mum's DH insisted 30 years ago that his second son was circ'd because his first was and so the doctor made him stand in the room. He came out and told his wife if they had any more sons there was no way in the world they were getting circ'd.
It's just awful that these poor baby boys go through this. I'm glad the video is out there...it helps people to re-consider (yah bunkx!)
mixinitup
28-08-2010, 19:52
well that was terrible, I can't believe they don't use any drugs, I always thought they did. I was considering having my first son done, but his dad insisted on not doing the procedure even though he himself is done. Sooooo glad we didn't because that was totally ******** IMO.
3blue&1pink
28-08-2010, 20:17
:crying: I have never seen the process before, that made me sick! I could NEVER let my child go through that! I could NEVER leave my child on the table SCREAMING in agony :crying:
mummaof4
28-08-2010, 20:30
i cant watch!
my son is not circ'd, it wasnt even considered. i dont understand why its still happening??
2 of my nephews needed it done at 9 & 5 but it was under GA and NECESSARY.
my oldest brother is 31 and circ'd(it was just what they did, mum doesnt recall even being asked) but my brother who's 28 isnt. it changed in those few years, same dr but he refused to do them anymore.
i dont understand that logic, men saying they want their sons to look like them?? why? why would you stand their comparing genitals with your parents/children!!
FiveInTheBed
28-08-2010, 20:38
I already regret both my sons circs, and have continued to agrue with DP about it.
we have had BIG fights over the fact that he would NOT apologise to his sons if they ever ask for an apology in the future.
I just showed him this video...
He sat there biting his bottom lip and shaking his head.
...he now gets it.
:crying:
Sheer Bliss
28-08-2010, 20:42
I am NOT clicking on that link. I don't need to see a child being treated in that way. If it were someone cutting the childs ear off to avoid infection, it would be called something VERY different, but because it's an 'allowable' procedure it's OK. Both my boys are intact, and will remain that way unless they choose otherwise later in life. It's sad that some babies go through this, and even worse that their parents do so with NO idea of what happens. :(
Sheer Bliss
28-08-2010, 20:42
I already regret both my sons circs, and have continued to agrue with DP about it.
we have had BIG fights over the fact that he would NOT apologise to his sons if they ever ask for an apology in the future.
I just showed him this video...
He sat there biting his bottom lip and shaking his head.
...he now gets it.
:crying:
:hugs: :hugs: :hugs:
I already regret both my sons circs, and have continued to agrue with DP about it.
we have had BIG fights over the fact that he would NOT apologise to his sons if they ever ask for an apology in the future.
I just showed him this video...
He sat there biting his bottom lip and shaking his head.
...he now gets it.
:crying:
:hugs::hugs::hugs:
Some posts in this thread have been edited for language. Please do not use words, such as horrific, disgusted in circ threads. Based on polls run in the forum, 25% of our members choose RIC. The guideline sticky for the anti-circ section outlines why we would prefer to avoid words with heavy emotional overtones of accusation.
I would prefer that we share our views constructively in order to help ppl who have yet to make the circ decision to decide against it. Using words such as these aren't necessary to that goal and simply make people who have already circed (and a few of them for valid, medical reasons) feel attacked.
If posters persist in using this language, warnings may be given.
xkwzit, just for the record. Parents who have their children circumcised for valid medical reasons constitute about 1.5%. In those cases, the operation is inevitably performed in accordance with AAPS guidelines, at an appropriate age ( at least > 6months), using a full GA and proper ligature and suture surgical technique.
The majority of routine circumcisions, on the other hand, are nowadays performed in doctors' rooms by general practicioners using varying degrees of local anaesthetic, with American-designed devices whose purpose is to reduce costs and hence increase profitability.
These are two completely different phenonemon, and should never be conflated.
I do agree however that overly emotive language may be counter-productive, although I don't see why it should be disallowed in section that is flagged as anti rountine circ -- emotional responses to infant pain are surely a valid response, no?
John
I admit it's a grey area, there's a range of emotive responses and the choice to edit is not black and white. However, it is possible to be very clear without going to excess, as demonstrated by the many posts in this thread that have not been edited. Even in the edited posts, each poster's opinion remains quite clear.
And while I acknowledge that the fraction of boys who medically require a circumcision may be very small, I would rather edit a few posts to insulate them from such harsh words.
Cheers
mummajugs
29-08-2010, 12:37
wow! i am gobsmacked!!!
We are due to have a little boy in 4 months, and well, I will be showing this to DF when he gets home from work, to let him know why we will not be getting it done. DF is not done, but we have still thought about it.
poor little bubba, they could have at least had a nurse there or someone to help soothe the baby. not that it would have really made a difference. but its the principle.
:crying::crying::crying: That is all!
DF is not done, but we have still thought about it.
Slightly OT, but why have you "still thought about it"? It's a matter of general interest (rather than simply prying into your personal decisions) because many of us assume that the increasing proportion of fathers who are themselves intact will put further downward pressure on routine circ rates?
Alexander Beetle
29-08-2010, 13:26
There was a never a chance in this world that I would circ my boy. DP isn't circed but even if he was we wouldn't do it. That video just enforced my already strong opinions against RIC.
serendipity22
29-08-2010, 14:33
My experience my been, the more I learn about circumcision, the worse it gets. More importantly, the more I learn about the foreskin, the more value i give it.
Emotive responses are a bit tricky. I think its very positive for people to share feelings. Perhaps its tactful to qualify feelings with phrases like 'It made me feel..."
"I felt ... " etc.
Also it a fallacy that being emotional is necessarily irrational.
Ive seen it with different issues, people claiming the other side is emotional (therefore irrational.) Therefore I don't need to listen to what they are saying or try to refute them (which is actually not rational).
Deserama
29-08-2010, 17:16
I'm sorry xkwzit, this was merely my reaction to what I saw. This is how I felt and still feel. I was crying and shaking while watching it, I had my hand over my mouth in actual horror. And I started yelling at the monitor "Why aren't you doing anything!!!!" My dh had to come and calm me down.
I probably shouldnt' have posted here until I was calm enough....and for that I apologise.
Myztiks#1Fan
29-08-2010, 17:31
i am a fence sitter tbh but i had to close the window. couldnt close it fast enough as it just made me incredibly sad
My experience my been, the more I learn about circumcision, the worse it gets. More importantly, the more I learn about the foreskin, the more value i give it.
i love this quote - i hope you don't mind me borrowing it. i will try to keep your bubhub name attached to it :goodvibes:
and :hugs::hugs::hugs: Des. (and everyone else who was affected).
Thats the reason i won't watch this type of video anymore. I can't handle the crying :(
Fuchsia!
29-08-2010, 17:44
Not going to watch it. Can't do it. Sounds really horrible though :(
DoneAndDusted
29-08-2010, 22:01
I didn't watch the video :no:, neither of our boys are done and we never even considered it...
Our Dr's surgery does them on bubs, I've only ever seen a couple newborns there, I know there is a cut off on age otherwise they need to be put under a GA, but I'm not sure what is is. I try not to ever make an appointment on that particular day of the week, I know however it is still quite common, I over heard the receptionist telling someone that you must make an appointment early on in your pregnancy to ensure an appointment whilst the baby is still young enough.
I've never been able to sit in the waiting room whilst the 'procedure' has been done :crying:, not only for myself but for my own kids hearing the baby cry like that, DS is only 3, but it broke my heart to hear him say, "aww that baby must have an owie". It is so heart wrenching and I have wanted to burst through the door and scoop them up....
Sheer Bliss
29-08-2010, 22:41
I didn't watch the video :no:, neither of our boys are done and we never even considered it...
Our Dr's surgery does them on bubs, I've only ever seen a couple newborns there, I know there is a cut off on age otherwise they need to be put under a GA, but I'm not sure what is is. I try not to ever make an appointment on that particular day of the week, I know however it is still quite common, I over heard the receptionist telling someone that you must make an appointment early on in your pregnancy to ensure an appointment whilst the baby is still young enough.
I've never been able to sit in the waiting room whilst the 'procedure' has been done :crying:, not only for myself but for my own kids hearing the baby cry like that, DS is only 3, but it broke my heart to hear him say, "aww that baby must have an owie". It is so heart wrenching and I have wanted to burst through the door and scoop them up....
I still remember one the day I was 'there' at the hospital on one of their 'day's for doing it. I was on bedrest (and probably a little hormonal being pregnant with twins, one a boy) and had walked a friend to the door of the ward, and the waiting room was packed, full of mums with new little bubbas. We were joking about it being bring your baby back day as most of them looked only a few weeks old. Then we seen an old school friend in the crowd....and she told us what they were there for. My heart sank, and I nearly cried standing there looking at her beautiful boy and that was when we realised all the bubbas in the waiting rooms were boys..... When their name was called out, they went into a room with the nurses, went through the paperwork, baby put in one of the hospital crib things, wheeled off by one nurse as the next was bought into the room, and then the previous baby was wheeled back, in tears or laying there in shock. One had the big gasping type cry happening as if they had been crying for some time.....I don't know how I didn't burst into tears then and there. I made it back up to my room before the flood came. I felt sick all day, knowing what was going on down there, and just how many boys were there. I was so very glad my amazing husband didn't want our boys done, so I hadn't had to convince him not to do it. Very sad.
peanutbutter&jelly
29-08-2010, 22:52
So sad. Among other choice words I'd use but can't here ;)
Needless to say, I'm very thankful I chose not to circ my baby boy... and even that my brothers weren't. I feel so very sorry for my DF as a baby :(
MrsLozza
29-08-2010, 22:54
I opened it but couldn't watch it. I just think of my little boy :(
DanceInTheRain
29-08-2010, 23:04
Gosh I don't think I can watch :( but a girl in my mothers group had her son done and was telling us about it the other day. The procedure sounded awful :(
I'm sorry xkwzit, this was merely my reaction to what I saw. This is how I felt and still feel. I was crying and shaking while watching it, I had my hand over my mouth in actual horror. And I started yelling at the monitor "Why aren't you doing anything!!!!" My dh had to come and calm me down.
I probably shouldnt' have posted here until I was calm enough....and for that I apologise.
Des, you haven't really got anything to apologise for. It is a very emotional issue for a lot of people and that's totally understandable. This area of the forum has the potential to be quite a minefield, but we try to keep under control because we think it is quite an important topic to talk about and you can't always simply talk about it IRL.
:)
Goblin Queen
22-02-2011, 21:37
I have seen a video of this procedure in the past but I watched to remind myself just how...darn, I'm struggling to find a non-offensive word to describe how it makes me feel. Let's just say to remind me of why I'm so anti-circ.
In debates in the past (before I met DF), I was asked what I would do if my future partner wanted our sons circed and people said that it was really the man's decision if he wanted his sons to look the same way as he does. I said it wouldn't happen and I'm now in the position where my DF is circed (for medical reasons in his teens) but I absolutely will not allow it to happen to my future sons. This is not a matter of which parent gets to choose or doing what will make my son look the same as his Daddy, this is a matter of me standing up for my child's right to keep his foreskin. If he is the same as Daddy and needs it removed in the future, then it can be done under GA at an appropriate age when he can deal with the pain properly and take painkillers so he doesn't need to suffer like a newborn who medically cannot be afforded those luxuries as part of their circumcision.
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