10 Reasons NOT to vote for Abbott!

[Mrs Nietzsche]

Did you know Abbott was charged years ago after he felt someone up?

Do you want to vote for a party that presents this kind of man as their leader? to the world?

:no:
http://dailybludge.com.au/2010/08/10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-tony-abbott/

[Cheerilee]

Did you know Abbott was once charged after he felt someone up?

Do you want to vote for a party that presents this kind of man as their leader? to the world?

:no:

No I do not:no: and I am not....

He is rather a scary man. I do not like him at all.

[veve]

really?? I haven't heard that anywhere - why on earth havent' the labour people used that fact??? would have thought it would be pretty powerful information to put 'out there' ???

[Orris Apjoko]

Stating the obvious but thats only 1 reason, wheres the other 9?

[veve]

ahh found info .. . here tis

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/17/1089694611809.html

pretty old news though - it happened when he was 20 ...

[Mrs Nietzsche]

LMAO thank god you said something!

http://dailybludge.com.au/2010/08/10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-tony-abbott/

Sorry it's late and I'm clearly losing my marbles - there's the link.

He was charged years nad years ago, when he was at uni I gather. Some of the things he did at uni are so dodgy, I heard a radio transcript from back then and woahhhh - his ideas on poor people, etc. I wouldn't want to be judged on what I said years ago though.

Feeling someone up when she's trying to make a speech... that is something I (personally) hold against someone, no matter how long ago. How humilating for hte poor woman :( and really indicative of Abbott's attitude to women.

[veve]

I'm still beating my head against a brickwall ... vote wise ... gah

I agree with lots of policies of different parties .. but find all of the representatives rather icky .. for a range of reasons ...

I am just going to have to go with my gut tomorrow ... and hope it points me in the right direction ..

that page is powerful MrsN .. but I bet in 1/2 an hour.... a liberal promoter, could write a list like that about gillard... (complete with dodgy darker photo at the top - the Chaser have made me rather cynical ... with all media) .. both the leaders irk me for different reasons ... *shrugs*

[MegaGuts]

I don't really care about the other 9 :laughing:;) Im still not voting for him! I don't like him and i don't like the liberal parties policies.

You see what's happened in america with their health care system?? well thanks to when nixon was in power, he started the whole privatisation of medical care and now they have one of the worst health care systems in the world because the regular folk who need health care can't afford it.

guess what little johnny howard wanted to do when he was in power?? that's right, he wanted to push to have our medical system privately run also, he wanted to scrap medicare for goodness sakes!! :eek: that's the liberal stance, they're not for the regular folk, they're there for the rich so they can continue to get richer.

Having the liberals in power would be disastrous for our country :no:

[Mrs Nietzsche]

I agree. Liberal was never an option for me. I am disappointed with what Labor has done since Gillard came in... I feel that Labor is so scared of Libs winning that they've compromised on some issues in order to try and win back liberal voters, for example boat people, gay marriage, etc.

I guess I live under a rock but are people really that worried about boat people that they are willing to make it the primary reason they vote for someone?????

Anyway, I'll be voting Greens pref Labor.

I just want someone with some ethics to win :hissy:

[MegaGuts]

I don't get why the boat people is such a huge thing, it feels like that's the major focus of this campaign, but why???? :confused::confused::confused:

I'd just prefer to see gillard win as i think abbott would just really screw this country up. As i said on a friends fb page, im voting for the lesser of the two evils :rolleyes:

[veve]

is it too late for the liberal party to organise a new leader????? :laughing: just asking .. thats all ...

politics atm .. its all so cringewirthy imo ... they all look dorky, uncoordinated, scripted ...and all they want to do is find dirt on each other ....

[Nowhere]

I just want someone with some ethics to win :hissy:

I think you are going to luck out there my friend as only people in the running can win, and well we all know our options.

I wil be voteing careers aliance, greens, labour, and then down from there with Libs at the bottom, I cant stand Tonny Abbot

[MegaGuts]

politics atm .. its all so cringewirthy imo ... they all look dorky, uncoordinated, scripted ...and all they want to do is find dirt on each other ....

:iagree: 100%

[HazTechDad]

Didn't know that one! But given his general worldview, it doesn't surprise me at all.

My main reasons for avoiding the budgie smuggler are:

1. The NBN
For anyone who doesn't think broadband is an important issue, read this excellent article. (http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/only-a-broadband-network-will-get-us-up-to-speed-20100809-11tye.html)

It's not about faster facebook or downloading movies. Broadband is to today what the railways were to society 100 years ago. The Labor/Green 'trains' will run at 1000km/h, while Tony Abbott plans on wasting $7 BILLION to deliver speeds which are half that already available in most developed countries, a figurative 12km/h. Even worse, Gigabit fibre (same as Labor's plan) is already being rolled out in Japan, HK, Sth Korea and others, and the US is studying it as well. We are already falling further behind.

Make no mistake. This is an issue which will shape our country for decades to come. It will transform society, education, health and business. There is no doubt we will have to build something like the NBN eventually. The choice is to spend $43B on it now, or waste $7B, wait 10 more years and then spend another $100B+, long after the rest of the World has passed us by.

I cannot overstate how vital this single issue is to me, and the Libs are going to can it. I am dumbfounded that anyone could be so short-sighted, and furious that we will waste so much money on already obsolete technology. If you think Labor overpaying $850M on school buildings is a waste, what does $7B say? Not to mention the lost business income that will result from this disastrous policy in the years to come. :hair:


2. Education:
Laptops, buildings, MySchool website, standardised testing, national curriculum, internationally recognised "HSC", school trade training. None of these things would have happened under the Libs, and they are all big steps forward in our country's education system.


3. Stimulus:
We are the only major economy that stayed out of recession. Given that they opposed many of the stimulus packages, I doubt that would have happened under the Libs. What would our unemployment rate be if they'd been in power?


4. Tony Abbott:
What an embarrassing, technologically incompetent, bigoted moron.:banghead:

[Nowhere]

is it too late for the liberal party to organise a new leader????? :laughing: just asking .. thats all ...

politics atm .. its all so cringewirthy imo ... they all look dorky, uncoordinated, scripted ...and all they want to do is find dirt on each other ....

very true, they seem to be about bagging one and other rather then sticking to what they will do for us.

[mysonroger]

1. The NBN
For anyone who doesn't think broadband is an important issue, read this excellent article. (http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/only-a-broadband-network-will-get-us-up-to-speed-20100809-11tye.html)

It's not about faster facebook or downloading movies. Broadband is to today what the railways were to society 100 years ago. The Labor/Green 'trains' will run at 1000km/h, while Tony Abbott plans on wasting $7 BILLION to deliver speeds which are half that already available in most developed countries, a figurative 12km/h. Even worse, Gigabit fibre (same as Labor's plan) is already being rolled out in Japan, HK, Sth Korea and others, and the US is studying it as well. We are already falling further behind.

Make no mistake. This is an issue which will shape our country for decades to come. It will transform society, education, health and business. There is no doubt we will have to build something like the NBN eventually. The choice is to spend $43B on it now, or waste $7B, wait 10 more years and then spend another $100B+, long after the rest of the World has passed us by.

I cannot overstate how vital this single issue is to me, and the Libs are going to can it. I am dumbfounded that anyone could be so short-sighted, and furious that we will waste so much money on already obsolete technology. If you think Labor overpaying $850M on school buildings is a waste, what does $7B say? Not to mention the lost business income that will result from this disastrous policy in the years to come. :hair:




3. Stimulus:
We are the only major economy that stayed out of recession. Given that they opposed many of the stimulus packages, I doubt that would have happened under the Libs. What would our unemployment rate be if they'd been in power?

d:

I agree about NBN...that is a worry. I heard it and couldn't believe my ears and I am traditionally a lib supporter....not sure what I am these days, but the lib's NBN plan is a disaster in the making. and it is very frustrating. it is complete short sightedness.

as far as being against the stim package...i think that was the early days for the labour party and I think the libs were still reeling from the election loss. I think they would have said anything against the labour party. Many other affluent countries created stimulus packages....I'm sure the libs would have also followed suit, but with their own plans and versions. Afterall, it was the world wide plan of the moment....everyone was doing it. Australia's not progressive enough to be radically different. It really is hard to speculate about what may or may not have happened.

I think both major parties have the capacity to make some very very very bad decisions for our nation...and I don't have confidence in either of them. so that's leaves me concerned about what to do tomorrow.

[sndgroper]

I was just about to ask why they keep talking about the NBN. I failed to see how it was such an important issue.. So thanks for that info HazTechDad.

[Atkogirl85]

NBN is about more than just regular Internet use at home or work. It affects so much technology, and if we can't keep up with the rest of the world then Australia loses out.
I seriously hope Tony Abbott does not win today. After a heated discussion with my FIL last night, who actually believe Abbott is going to turn all the boats around I am praying that the people with enough brains to get allntge info outnumber the ones with rocks in their heads.
Besides Abbott creeps me out anyway, so him being a perve doesn't help. :)

[KatiesMum]

I just want someone with some ethics to win :hissy:

It would be a refreshing change wouldnt it? Sadly not going to happen this election


Didn't know that one! But given his general worldview, it doesn't surprise me at all.

My main reasons for avoiding the budgie smuggler are:

1. The NBN
For anyone who doesn't think broadband is an important issue, read this excellent article. (http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/only-a-broadband-network-will-get-us-up-to-speed-20100809-11tye.html)

It's not about faster facebook or downloading movies. Broadband is to today what the railways were to society 100 years ago. The Labor/Green 'trains' will run at 1000km/h, while Tony Abbott plans on wasting $7 BILLION to deliver speeds which are half that already available in most developed countries, a figurative 12km/h. Even worse, Gigabit fibre (same as Labor's plan) is already being rolled out in Japan, HK, Sth Korea and others, and the US is studying it as well. We are already falling further behind.

Make no mistake. This is an issue which will shape our country for decades to come. It will transform society, education, health and business. There is no doubt we will have to build something like the NBN eventually. The choice is to spend $43B on it now, or waste $7B, wait 10 more years and then spend another $100B+, long after the rest of the World has passed us by.


You can see my opinions on the NBN here (http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=357446)... but realistically I think it is an enormous waste of money on a white elephant. The government will spend $42billion (or more) on a network no-one will use as they cant afford to.


2. Education:[/COLOR]
Laptops, buildings, MySchool website, standardised testing, national curriculum, internationally recognised "HSC", school trade training. None of these things would have happened under the Libs, and they are all big steps forward in our country's education system.


There are some good things there ... but the computers in schools for example, was not a well organised or thought out program. They paid for thousands of new computers - but no one to maintain them, the replacement program has to be met out of the schools current budget, viruses and net nanny type things were not considered so the schools face large extra costs. It was a good idea, badly arranged.

Bit like the BER really - but on a smaller scale.


3. Stimulus:[/COLOR]
We are the only major economy that stayed out of recession. Given that they opposed many of the stimulus packages, I doubt that would have happened under the Libs. What would our unemployment rate be if they'd been in power?


We stayed out of recession for many reasons. One of which was the Labor government, but much more important reasons were
- the strength of our economy and fiscal situation before the financial crisis
- the reserve banks quick and well thought out responses
- the mining sector / the chinese demand
- our banking sector regulations which didnt allow the lax lending practices in the US and UK which caused the crisis in the first place

Yes - the government did ok. More realistically, it was a result of MANY factors which kept us out of recession. And the money they did spend was spent poorly. Not good timing (about 1/3 of the money is still to be spent) and significantly overpaid for what they got.

The Liberals actually agreed with the first stimulus package, and parts of the second one. They would have done things differently for certain .... but I think either way, we still would not have ended up in a recession


4. Tony Abbott:[/COLOR]
What an embarrassing, technologically incompetent, bigoted moron.:banghead:

Cant argue with you there :yes:


As for the article on 10 reasons .... I agree with some, dont agree with others, and some are plainly rediculous.

The Uni thing is a complete beat up. Labor didnt use it because a) the charges were dropped ... basically they cannot prove it ever happened. He pleaded not guilty. I would hate to be judged on something I was falsely accused of. (if he did it, thats a totally different thing ... but its slanderous to suggest now that he did when it cant be proven)

[HazTechDad]

You can see my opinions on the NBN here (http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=357446)... but realistically I think it is an enormous waste of money on a white elephant. The government will spend $42billion (or more) on a network no-one will use as they cant afford to.


It's already up and running in a few Tassie towns, and Internode has released pricing for NBN fibre-to-the-premises:
http://www.internode.on.net/residential/broadband/fibre_to_the_home/nbn_plans/

eg:
25Mpbs/60GB: $49.95
100Mbps/100GB: $99.95 (The NBN Co guarantee min. speeds of 1Gbit available at up to 15km from the exchange)

Compare that to what I can get where I am:
1.5Mbps/25+25GB: $49.95
8Mbps/50+50GB: $99.95 (I can actually only get about 6.5Mbps due to distance from the exchange)

Pretty good value. The same or more data than what I get now, at ~15 times the speed. And it will only get faster. Remember the price and speed of ADSL when it first started? $60/mon for 128kbps if I recall, and that was only ~7 years ago.


Now, assuming that 50% of Australian households eventually connect to the NBN (Certainly not a stretch given we currently have 44% broadband penetration), at A$100/month (for all internet and voip), this would equate to a gross revenue of $4.8billion per year (based just on our current 8 million households).

As for it being a waste/not needed etc.... Sure, it's not needed today. But 10 years ago we didn't need ADSL2+. We were watching crappy video (if any), using 3MP digital cameras and downloading 2MB OS updates. FF to today, and we have 20MP digital cameras, HD video and 700MB OS updates. By the time the NBN is complete, who knows what our data transfer needs will be.

To think we won't be needing greatly increased speeds/allowances seems highly implausible, let alone allowing for all the technologies that haven't even been invented yet. Who'd have imagined 10 years ago that something like Youtube would exist? Saying we don't need it is like saying we didn't need 8 lanes on the Harbour Bridge in 1930, or that we could never use all the water in Warragamba dam.

There is no doubt we will need to roll out fibre to the premises one day. Copper is already at it's limit, while 1 Gigabit is just the start for fibre. Sooner or later, we will have to bite the bullet and invest in fttp. IMHO, the sooner the better.

Wireless is not a viable alternative to fibre. The speeds are much slower (and physically can never match fibre), it's heavily affected by traffic, environment, distance and topography, it uses much more electricity and it would require hundreds more towers to cope with the increased bandwidth required.

It's also not just HK, Korea, Japan and Hong Kong who are rolling out fibre. Google is looking to do it in the US, and a study done in Seattle transposed to Australia shows that the value of such a network would be about $5B per year to our economy.

I'll x-post this to the other thread.