Are they serious?

[Lily of the Nile]

What the?
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/1060057/doctors-consider-circumcision-for-girls

[Blueberry Crumble]

Ummmm.... why?

[MummaBear03]

I just came in to post this :(



The practice involving cutting a girl's genitals, sometimes with razors or pieces of glass, could be allowed in a clinical setting to stem illegal backyard procedures which are leaving young girls scarred for life.


http://www.news.com.au/national/push-to-let-australian-doctors-mutilate-genitals-of-baby-girls/story-e6frfkvr-1225872274181

That's why they are doing it.

But i don't understand the logic, if that's their logic then why not legalise absolutely everything to provide a safer way of carrying out illegal activities. Makes me so ANGRY that they can think this is good in any way!

[rainbow road]

Well that is 500 steps backward now isn't it :(

[Mrs Nietzsche]

That's great. We'll prob end up with RIC illegalised for boys but introduced for girls for 'cultural' reasons.

[MummaBear03]

Makes you wonder what else they'd consider legalising to get it off the street and make it safer.

[Mrs Nietzsche]

Yes why not hand out kiddy porn to pedophiles from archived images, on condition they don't try to find illegal stuff :rolleyes:

Anyway it could all be a media beatup. i'm sure this issue arose about 10 years ago and was rejected.

[MummaBear03]

I hope so, Mrs N, I hope so :no:

[Lily of the Nile]

Hmm let's allow doctors to perform the abuse, so parents don't botch it up, cause that will somehow make it better for the child???

[elleandsam]

Wow, that's just not right.

[Lillynix]

Yes, because RANZCOG are well known for having women's best interests at heart :rolleyes:

*cough*bullsh!t*cough*

[Sparklydreamer]

Hmm let's allow doctors to perform the abuse, so parents don't botch it up, cause that will somehow make it better for the child???

That's what I was thinking too. It'd be like saying well, domestic violence happens, so lets bring it in off the streets and open a clinic where men can pay to get someone else to hit their partner in a more monitored environment. That's obviously crazy. This doesn't seem terribly different. Abuse is abuse no matter who performs it and we should be sending out the unambiguous message that its not acceptable. :no:

[Fellow Traveler]

Feel the equity ladies. I am wondering what those who support routine MGM have to say. Should parents be permitted this "choice"?

[Roopee]

This is bloody disgusting! Far out! Appalling!

[OJandMe]

No offence and I don't care if this is not PC... coz frankly I'm over the whole PC / veiled lying thing....


Female circumcision is NOT part of Australian culture. And I do not think that something that goes against the majority of Australian people's ethics, morals and cultural values should be allowed just to cater for a minority group.

If they want it done, they should take their daughters back to their own country, where it is a common and acceptable practice.

Not try to force Australia to assimilate their cultural ideals when they go against the moral values of our society and our responsibility to PROTECT children from sexual and physical abuse. Which is what FGM is.

I would be disgusted if this 'nicking' was introduced for cultural reasons.

Should we also allow the rape of young boys and girls for the cultural reasons of other minorities??? Or how about just a 'simulated' rape as a right of passage to meet their cultural needs.

Australian's do not support FGM.... so why allow it at all? :banghead:

[Pharm]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the theory behind FGM just so that the female does not receive any pleasure from sex and therefore is not likely to have sex for any reason other than reproduction??

I watched a report on T.V once about Men in Africa sewing there wives (more than one mind you) vaginas closed while they were off herding and tending to the animals for extended periods, this was so the women couldn't cheat on their husbands. This seems more to do with receiving pleasure at all.

They wont make it legal here in Aus, it's just not going to happen.

Although you have to ask yourself this, do the women having it done complain about the practice? I only ask because many Muslim women seem perfectly happy wearing head to toe clothing during 40C days and basically giving up any right to education or the basic freedoms that the men enjoy. They seem very willing to give up quite a bit for their culture and faith.

I would be interested to see how many women regret having it done at birth, or whether they welcome it as in their minds makes them a better and more devote (enter religion here).

For the record I don't support FGM

[Benji]

Pharm, look up the likes of Waris Dirie, she was born in the Yemen and is an ambassador for the elimination of FGM. She suffered from FGM :(

[crazymuma]

Pharm, look up the likes of Waris Dirie, she was born in the Yemen and is an ambassador for the elimination of FGM. She suffered from FGM :(


I was just going to suggest that everyone read her books as well - all of them to get a better insight into this problem.

Its also not as simple as just letting them take them back to their own countries and performing this mutilation - in many countries its actually illegal for a parent to take a child back to the home country for this procedure.

Australia is at the moment 10 steps behind other countries in dealing with this issue.

[Roopee]

No offence and I don't care if this is not PC... coz frankly I'm over the whole PC / veiled lying thing....


Female circumcision is NOT part of Australian culture. And I do not think that something that goes against the majority of Australian people's ethics, morals and cultural values should be allowed just to cater for a minority group.

If they want it done, they should take their daughters back to their own country, where it is a common and acceptable practice.

Not try to force Australia to assimilate their cultural ideals when they go against the moral values of our society and our responsibility to PROTECT children from sexual and physical abuse. Which is what FGM is.

I would be disgusted if this 'nicking' was introduced for cultural reasons.

Should we also allow the rape of young boys and girls for the cultural reasons of other minorities??? Or how about just a 'simulated' rape as a right of passage to meet their cultural needs.

Australian's do not support FGM.... so why allow it at all? :banghead:

What she said ^^^^.
The AMA or whoever it is that thought this up a good idea is an IDIOT!

[Pax]

Part of the aboriginal initiation ceremonies http://www.indigenousaustralia.info/culture/initiation-ceremonies.html


Initiated members would sometimes have a tooth removed, their ears or nose pierced or flesh cut with a particular sacred markings. Other members in the family would also carry special markings to commemorate the event. Special knowledge and skills are passed on through initiation ceremonies. These enable the new adult to function accordingly and in a new way within the language group.I am against this too.. but is anyone going to mention this custom that has been in our country for ever?

I hope all this BS against kids stops

[circangel]

Stop worrying yes they are probably serious. But is is only necessary and beneficial for males.

[Father]

Relax people. If you click on the link from the original post, you will see that it was a misquote.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/doctors-dont-support-ritual-nicking-20100528-wi3t.html

[Fellow Traveler]

Stop worrying yes they are probably serious. But is is only necessary and beneficial for males.

B.S.



Relax people. If you click on the link from the original post, you will see that it was a misquote.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...0528-wi3t.html (http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/doctors-dont-support-ritual-nicking-20100528-wi3t.html)


Not in the US it wasn't. It was a serious proposal. So Father, would you support a parent who wished to do this to their daughter?

[Father]

Not in the US it wasn't. It was a serious proposal. So Father, would you support a parent who wished to do this to their daughter?

No. There are no benefits.

[Pippi Longstocking]

Stop worrying yes they are probably serious. But is is only necessary and beneficial for males.

Necessary? Nonsense.

NECESSARY: a. Unavoidably determined by prior conditions or circumstances; inevitable:
Clearly this is not the case, as the absolute majority of intact men do not inevitably end up with a circumcision.
Dude, no one can take you seriously when you say stuff like the above.

[Ana Gram]

Relax people. If you click on the link from the original post, you will see that it was a misquote.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/doctors-dont-support-ritual-nicking-20100528-wi3t.html

Any idea thrown around, even in passing, by RANZCOG should be taken seriously. They do what ever they want. Those of us who have actively campaigned against their ideas know this.

[serendipity22]

Typical medical thinking.

Propose a surgical solution to a social (or otherwise nonmedical) problem.