Tizzie Hall on Kerri-Anne tomorrow

[Mischief]

Hi guys,

I just got an email to say that Tizzie will be on Kerrie Anne tomorrow morning at about 10:30am.

Thought I would share..... :)

Cheers,
Kat :D

[Diddles]

Thanks for letting me know as I'm interested in what she has to say - am thinking of getting her book.

[~EmsMum~]

thanks for that
ill tune in tomorrow :)

[mum_2_5]

Just a reminder that she is on very soon.

[KarniF00l]

Who is Tizzie Hall :confused: :o

[KarniF00l]

she is a baby sleep specialist...and behaviour too.
www.saveoursleep.com


ohhh :o thanx PN :D

[Mischief]

I'm hoping Mr O stays asleep long enough for me to watch it! LOL

[mum_2_5]

She hasn't been on yet. Hopefully she is on soon. I need to go to the drs.

[elissas]

Sorry guys, I was close to turning the tv off. Couldn't stand listening to the suggestion that routine feeding was beneficial.

I just got the feeling that it was about making our babies convenient for us.

Bit of a baby nazi in my opinion - from what I saw.

Does she allow for increased feeding with growth spurts, thirst, sickness etc? If not how can we expect our babies to learn how to express their needs, and feel confident that their needs will be met if they ask (and that includes emotional needs that desire being cuddled, rocked, nursing...?) There's a term for it - learned helplessness.

Sorry if you love Tizzie Hall and it works for you. I respect your choice and don't doubt that you are doing what's best for you and your baby. I'm lucky that I've never needed much sleep and have always been able to survive, and even thrive, on 5-6hrs of broken sleep a night - I have been since I was 21. I understand that not everyone is the same and that sleep deprivation can even be dangerous for some people.

For me - I'd rather go another 7mths, or even 14mths, with broken sleep and "inconvenient" requests, than set my boy to a clock. Tizzie grated on me - it didn't sit well and I couldn't listen much at the end at all.

[Mischief]

I must admit I was a bit disapointed in the interview.....she said nothing really!!!

Oliver is sticking to her routine now, but at the same time, if he is hungry I feed him, I cant and wont push him for an extra hour if he wakes early wanting food!

[blueeyes]

What I didnt get was her reason that her routine works well for breastfeeding babies because if they feed at her recommended time, then our milk is better. I have never heard of that before. So my babe who is bf and wonderfully healthy and content (and not on her routine) is getting bgrade bf because I dont wait four hours to feed? Puh!!:thumbsdown:

[Areca]

I watched and I wasn't impressed either....I just didn't agree at all with her on the whole quality of milk thing (I have expressed shortly after feeds, and expressed when woken up feeling totally engorged it's been that long between feeds cause DD has slept more than usual and have never noticed a difference in my milk) and I did not like her answer to what to do with a hungry baby while waiting for the time to pass....put the baby on your chest and rub their back...when DD is hungry as soon as she is near my chest she is worse off than if someone else has her cause she can smell my milk.

I was glad I watched it cause I won't bother with her book!

If it works for you then great!

And can I just say, the woman with the 10 week old that was on with her...I wish when DD was 10 weeks old she was only waking once or twice through the night! I think that's absolutely awesome for a baby that age and not a problem that needs fixing at all!

[MamaSage]

If I had been home I would have watched it, but not as a fan, lol! I am sure it has been said before here (I know it has) but she has NO qualifications, NO children, NO degree. It's just like me servicing a car... I ain't no mechanic... :banghead:

[Mischief]

In all fairness I think she does have some great ideas, but some silly ones too, and I think maybe once she has babies of her own she might revise her ideas a little.

Ive only just started Oliver on her routine, mainly because he is happy to go 4 hours between feeds now....but even a week ago I would have had NO chance of getting him to go 4 hours between feeds during the day.

As for the breast milk....I express....in the mornings the milk can be fairly watery....but only for the first couple of minutes, then its gets nice and white and creamy.....then each time after that during the day it stays nice and creamy....In the evenings there is less, but its so rich looking.... So I see what she was talking about, but I dont think that it would matter if you were going 40 minutes or 4 hours between feeds, the milk is still nice and creamy later on in the day.

[Spewiesmum]

I do believe Tizzie does have a child...but I can't find where I thought I read that.

Each to their own - I love her routine and will use it in the future. People need to realise it doesn't 'just happen' - we worked really, really hard to make it happen. Now the transitions between routines is a piece of cake.

If DS is crying it's for a reason other than hunger or being tired. He falls asleep and wakes up like clockwork. He copes with changes because he knows we'll switch back to what he knows as soon as we can.

It was really important for me to make the routine work as my husband work six nights a week. No one shares getting up through the night with me. I can not survive on broken or no sleep. Also, I can't stand the thought of just guessing what my child will be doing during the day. I like to be organised and have my day planned without being forced to wait until bubs falls asleep or demands a feed.

And, to me, it makes sense to eat or sleep at the same time each day. Once kids are at school they are forced into a routine for the next 10-12 years.

Perhaps her routine won't work on my next child or perhaps I'll be blessed with a child who sleeps through from the word go. I don't know, but right now Tizzie saved my sanity and despite the fact it was me doing the hard slog - it was her guidance and routines that helped.

[annb]

i thought she was good, but then again I like her routines, I thought there was a lot of sense in what she said about the baby knowing when food was coming and about your body knowing when feeding was due, I dont think a lot of people realise how much breastmilk changes not only throughout the day but also over the months as the babys needs change as well
anyway i will still be buying her book !! :)

[Areca]

Not to argue, just to discuss, DD has a routine, it's just the one that she decided on herself.
She wakes up between 7-8am, feeds, plays and is back to sleep for 1/2 hour or so at around 10am (I know it's not much but she will not go back down until her next nap). Gets up, feeds, plays and is ready for 1-1 1/2 hours sleep at 1-2pm. Wakes up and feeds at 2ish, 4ish, 6ish and before bed at 7ish. She is in bed between 7-8 and wakes once for a feed (was once or twice until recently when I realised she didn't need that first feed, cut it out and just re-settled her and she hasn't woken up twice since) I'm up feeding DD now for the first time tonight.

DD needs all those feeds...she needs 7 feeds in a 24 hour period. If she is too distracted during the day and only feeds 4 or 5 times (which she has done very happily) she makes up for it o'night. So if I was doing the tizzie hall method I'd be up at least twice (not sure what her rule is for babies that are 8 months old...dd doesn't eat solids yet either so her diet is 100% breastmilk still).

I just don't see how every baby is suited to her strict routine and I know I couldn't handle listening to DD scream the place down for a feed for an hour cause she got hungry 'early.' I always wonder about strict routines...I mean she says that babies learn to know what's coming so they are happy but how? It's not like a baby can look at the clock and go 'oh yeah, I'll be fed in an hour even though I'm hungry.'
Of course DD's 'routine' changes..sometimes she's more worn out than other times, sometime's she wants to eat more (I know I eat more food some days than others).
Again, let me say that I'm not arguing, just discussing and trying to understand. I need more variety in my life than what a strict routine offers.

[elissas]

I agree mumtoone!

I really don't understand how it can be healthy putting all babies in the same basket. DS found his own routine and I follow it, and it's pretty much the same times every day. And he'll probably change it soon - he started crawling last night!! :eek:

There is no way I could only feed him those set times. He knows when he needs to be fed. And what about when a baby's thirsty? Like us, we need a drink every now and then. And when we're hungry or thirsty we feed ourselves when and how we'd like.

I find it pretty hard to believe that milk quality is better with scheduled feeding. In fact, all evidence I know of points to the contrary - which is why scheduled feeding is old hat now and went out the window a while back. I'd like Tizzie to present her evidence. And I don't think a bit of ebm is going to cut it. Expressing is different to sucking and the milk you pump, although similar, will be slightly different compared with if the milk was being suckled. Also, if you look at how milk is produced and how the breasts work (ie. how foremilk-hindmilk works) I could say that it's pretty much impossible for the milk to "change".

I also don't like the old-fashioned way of defining a "good" baby by how well they sleep. We don't define ourselves that way - how good or bad we are - so why judge our bubs that way? People often ask me "Is he a good baby?" and I say "He's great." They often then follow with - "So he's sleeping through the night then?" I could scream!! Since when does sleeping through make us a better person?

Also, babies are supposed to wake. They have lighter sleep and shorter sleep cycles. This is to protect them against those things which contribute to SIDS etc. To "train" them into a different "sleep behaviour" is denying them, IMO, a biological need.

I do agree that babies need our help to learn how to settle themselves, but DS will tell me when he's ready - which he is starting to now. And DS and I are going to work together on this - we're a team and he teaches me just as much as I teach him.

I couldn't help but feel the new mum on with Tizzi yesterday was there for show. If she really wanted to demonstrate how her routines work, wouldn't she have picked a mum who had used them and could give proper testimony to their effectiveness? I felt, however, that the mum chosen was a pointless token mum, she had a baby that was sleeping perfectly (and was likely to sleep!), looked like a million dollars only weeks after having a baby (so obviously her association with Tizzie and her work is the reason for that!), and was getting great sleep. She might have said she's tired and I don't claim that she's not, but I think she's getting great sleep!! The whole interview felt false and set-up. Why not have a mum who has a toddler and a 4mth old who's sleeping like a dream and has done it tough from the start?

I didn't like Tizzie at all. Just like I can't stand Robin Barker. They both feel so hard-nosed and bulldoggish - so I figure chances are that their methods are too. I'd much rather listen to the maternal joviality and gentle, understanding words of Pinky McKay any day.

Anyway, that's enough from me. :ecomcity: I understand her routines have worked and that some people need them. I just don't believe it's the best way to do things - in an ideal world that is. And I don't believe that just because we have an ideal world that we should feel it is impossible and give up on it. It just gives us something to strive for. I'm not going to go for a second best option just because my ideal seems so hard to reach.

[Mischief]

I can really see everyones points here!

I love her routine at the moment. It fits Oliver, and he sort of started doing it himself a couple of days, and Ive just continued on from that. He is sleeping better and I'm holding out hope that eventually he might sleep thru! LOL

I do find it hard to have to do things at the same time all the time though. I tend to feel stressed if I know i'm going to be out at a time that I would usually need Oliver to be sleeping.

However I dont know that feeding on routine helps or hinders breastmilk....I think its much of a muchness.... Maybe she mainly ment that on her routine the baby had a feed at 3 and another one at 6...so in the evenings he is getting more rich milk (as you make richer milk in the evenings anyway) closer together....I'm not sure what she ment.

However, she has had alot of success.....but the same thing goes...for every 5 babies that love the routine and slip straight into it, there are probably 5 others who refuse to use any routine but their own! :D Its all about trial and error I think. I seem to be lucky enough to have a baby who is adapting to routine.

My girlfriend is also doing it. Her son has taken to it like a duck to water. He is only waking once a night at 4ish...then sleeping right thru...and she LOVES the routine because she knows he is getting enough sleep, she can do things during the day when he is sleeping, isnt up all night, and after his feed at 3, she can go out for a couple of hours and not worry about getting him to sleep somewhere.

I do firmly belive that routine is best for the older baby....12 weeks plus...but if you can get your child into a routine before then, thats great! We have stuck to a 7pm bed time since Oliver was 2 weeks old!

Oh and I agree with the rant about what makes a *good* baby....(not a rant at Tizzie) people always seem to think your baby has to sleep thru the night. Now I would LOVE that to happen, but if it doesnt, I cant force it....I'm trying to encourage it with this routine, but it doesnt make Oliver a bad baby if he doesnt....he's a beautiful baby, full of love and smiles...thats what makes a good baby to me.

I know I'm going to be soooo greatful to that when he is a toddler and is used to going to bed at 7 instead of wanting to stay up till 10 or later with us...and trying to break that habit then. :D