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MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 20:02
Do you let your kids do this?
I'm asking because I've noticed people getting upset when their kids are yelled at by people who have been knocked over at the shops and the parents complain that it's not their place to discipline the kids.
I actually think that if someone is knocked over by a child they are well within their rights to speak up about it.
I don't let DD run in the supermarket, but she sometimes mentions that she wants to "play" with the other kids because they are running and laughing.
I cannot stand it. Kids should be supervised and under control in a supermarket. It's irresponsible of a parent/guadian to allow kids to run amok in such a place. I work in the supermarket industry and the trouble they get up to out of their parents sight....GRRRRRRRRR Not to mention the other shoppers who also get the sh!ts with kids running about too. It's a common complaint.
Myztiks#1Fan
08-12-2009, 20:15
coop can get outta control at times however sometimes its easier to let him run up to the other end of the isle and then for him to run back. i would rather that than for a tantrum to happen as they can get quite nasty and last quite awhile.
I cannot stand it. Kids should be supervised and under control in a supermarket. It's irresponsible of a parent/guadian to allow kids to run amok in such a place.
:iagree: thats for the playground...not supermarket
Sheer Bliss
08-12-2009, 20:23
It's a PITA when they do it, but sometimes it can be the lessor of 2 evils. Everyone complains and stares and criticises the parent of the child that is having a hysterical tantrum and making so much noise.
I try and avoid taking the kids to the supermarket on my own, so that DH and I can supervise them properly and stop them from running about - ideally I don't want them running about. BUT when DH calls last minute to say that he won't be home until midnight, I have no choice if I need milk/bread/supplies for the next day. I try and take the pram with DS in the toddler seat and the babies in the pram, but can't push a trolley and I still have to control DD. OR I can get a twin trolley for the babies and have DS & DD to control. Most the time they are good, but it can depend on the day.
I'd not generally take offense to others saying something to one of my kids if the knocked them over, but it depends on what they say, and how they say it - some people think it's OK to say things to my kids that I don't find acceptable.
At the end of the day, people also need to remember that kids are kids, and although we try and teach them the right way to act, you can't always expect them to do it.
BoyCrazy
08-12-2009, 20:25
ugh i hate it too...and my DS1 is the WORST offender at the moment! :o
its like as soon as he steps foot through the doors of coles, something triggers in his brain, saying "act up now and be a little turd!" well thats what it seems like to me anyways :laughing:
now that my little boy is big enough to sit in the seat of a trolley i put him in there, and DS1 in the actual trolley where he can "organise the food" ;)
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 20:27
I ended up in hospital one night when pregnant because I was at the end of an aisle looking at ingredients on a product then turned to pus the trolley but hadn't yet grabbed the handle of it, was putting things in the trolley when kids about 11 or so ran straight into it and knocked a full trolley into me. Was already having problems but can't help but wonder if that's why she came early as she was born soon after that happened and at 36 weeks. I yelled at the kids to watch out and show a little more respect and behave as they should in public and the parents made a comment about me being pregnant and that I'd know all about it and kids are kids but didn't expect me to know that yet :rolleyes:
Well I now have a 6 year old who knows better than to run around in the shops.
MordecaiAliVanAllenO'Shea
08-12-2009, 20:27
It's hard living in a society that isn't very child-friendly and still prefers children to be seen and not heard. My children often like to walk in the shops - As long as they are not destructive or getting in peoples way I give them a fairly long rope (so no I wouldnt allow them to be so out of hand that they may knock someone down). Sometimes they will be rather enthusiastic, giggling or singing loudly, skipping joyfully to the end of the aisle to wait for me. I'm lucky in that neither of my boys are runners (as in run away super fast) so I can allow them that freedom to participate in what I'm doing.
It was lovely in India where my children were welcomed anywhere as they brighten up peoples days.
KatiesMum
08-12-2009, 20:29
meh - I would much rather see a child running up and down the aisle happily than screaming and throwing things on the floor.
I do tend to let DD run up and down ... but then we have a pretty small supermarket nearby where it isnt very busy. She isnt likely to knock anyone over or anything .... just sings and chatters and runs to the end of the aisle and back.
Seacretsquirrel
08-12-2009, 20:31
ugh i hate it too...and my DS1 is the WORST offender at the moment! :o
its like as soon as he steps foot through the doors of coles, something triggers in his brain, saying "act up now and be a little turd!" well thats what it seems like to me anyways :laughing:
now that my little boy is big enough to sit in the seat of a trolley i put him in there, and DS1 in the actual trolley where he can "organise the food" ;)
OMG has B been talking to Miss Z she has been the same lately. I find she is better if she has a drink and something to snack on and I go super fast and get in and out as fast as I can.... I soooo love it when DH is home and I can go on my own or I have and extra pair of hands.
I did let her take dollys pram yesterday and other than getting in peoples way (I spent a whole lot of time saying sorry:o) she wasn't too bad but it was 1pm so fairly quiet.
MrsTwith3
08-12-2009, 20:31
Oh how I wish my children were so perfectly behaved. I tell you now it is NOT by my choice that my boys run around in a supermarket. To have children that were not spirited would be a blessing when out shopping.
Half the time the people that are more vulnerable to being knocked over by a child are the rudest ones who think it is there right to push there trolleys without a 2nd glance to see if there is anyone in there path not just kids. As for having anyone other then myself or my DH discipline my children then that is not on.
Apologies in advance if it is ever my children that upset any of you whilst you are out shopping.
MordecaiAliVanAllenO'Shea
08-12-2009, 20:31
Ah sorry, I see we are talking about quite different things - the OP is worried about kids so out of control they are actually barging into people and hurting them - in that case then yeah I agree that's no good.
Children generally being children, a little noisy and enthusiastic, I'm all for though.
I ended up in hospital one night when pregnant because I was at the end of an aisle looking at ingredients on a product then turned to pus the trolley but hadn't yet grabbed the handle of it, was putting things in the trolley when kids about 11 or so ran straight into it and knocked a full trolley into me. Was already having problems but can't help but wonder if that's why she came early as she was born soon after that happened and at 36 weeks. I yelled at the kids to watch out and show a little more respect and behave as they should in public and the parents made a comment about me being pregnant and that I'd know all about it and kids are kids but didn't expect me to know that yet :rolleyes:
Well I now have a 6 year old who knows better than to run around in the shops.
:eek: i would die if my kids did that! your poor thing!
Maybelline
08-12-2009, 20:33
hate it when kids run wild in any kind of shop...sorry...but a couple times I have rather loudly called them "little ****s"!!!(when there parents ..cant hear)....
I have 4 kids, and they have all tried the tantrum stuff on me. If you allow them to do it once just to avoid a tantrum, then they will just repeat it over and over again because they know they will get away with it.
If my kids throw a wobbly that just goes on and on, then I dump the shopping and leave. Kids need boundries and shopping is one place where kids need to be properly supervised. It's also a workplace for some, and kids running about is not safe.
MumNeedsCoffee
08-12-2009, 20:36
It's hard living in a society that isn't very child-friendly and still prefers children to be seen and not heard. My children often like to walk in the shops - As long as they are not destructive or getting in peoples way I give them a fairly long rope (so no I wouldnt allow them to be so out of hand that they may knock someone down). Sometimes they will be rather enthusiastic, giggling or singing loudly, skipping joyfully to the end of the aisle to wait for me. I'm lucky in that neither of my boys are runners (as in run away super fast) so I can allow them that freedom to participate in what I'm doing.
It was lovely in India where my children were welcomed anywhere as they brighten up peoples days.
:iagree:Ever since I've had my own child I just can't help but smile at children no matter how mischievous they are being.
I've been knocked over by children, they don't mean any harm and the parents always look so apologetic.
I've had children push in front of me in line, I generally let them. And when the mother comes up to apologise I tell her it's ok, she has her hands full and I'm not busy so I don't mind waiting.
I probably would say something like "Watch where you're going matey" but thats about it.
I'm just a big softie.
The only time I've lost it at someone elses child is when a boy kept throwing his ball directly at the adults talking. He was repeatedly asked not to but kept doing it looking like :devil:
This went on for ages.
He threw the ball really hard at me and hit me in the neck and winded me. I yelled at him and everyone else looked at me like I lost my mind.
delirium
08-12-2009, 20:39
As the mother of a spirited child, I understand that sometimes it really hard to stop them doing it without causing a scene, but if they are knocking people over then that's really not on.
My DS doesn't do it, but he will if I let him. I make him sit in the kiddy seat of the trolley bc he is a bolter and he would be down the other end of the supermarket if I let him out :laughing: The problem is, he plays up the whole time and today was no exception, and did I get some looks. It seems you are damned if you do and damned if you don't let them run around.
I have just left before, but today I really needed to do a full shop.
I don't really see that happening, but if I did, I highly doubt I would yell at the child. I'd be upset if someone yelled at my child.
SassyMummy
08-12-2009, 20:42
It's hard enough to control a full trolley without having to dodge unsupervised children running amok too.
Let kids be kids, sure, but also teach them about manners and appropriate behaviours to display in different situations.
A shopping centre is not a playground.
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 20:43
So where do we draw the line? Do we let them do it until such time as they cause physical harm to another person? Sorry, but having a spirited child is no excuse, I have one of those and know that it's HARD WORK but they can learn, they just learn in a different way to how other kids learn.
I ended up in hospital for 2 nights after being knocked by kids, yet the parents thought I overreacted by telling them off.
I didn't swear or scream or say anything that I wouldn't say to a child while I'm working at a childcare centre so it's not like I said anything out of line at all! BUT when you're that far pregnant and already having complications (or an elderly person not long out of hospital from a hip injury as I've also witness and the ambulance had to be called but "kids are kids" so no repercussions for the children) I can tell you now that no amount of excuses would have worked had my child been harmed by that incident
I'd have demanded the surveillance videos and taken legal action had my child been harmed from the incident.
When we were kids, my brother and I used to fight in the supermarket. I'm surprised my mother didn't kill us.
I remember a supermarket employee yelled at us once, and that was quite effective as it was a stranger (as opposed to my mother, who we ignored).:o So maybe there's some merit to the intervention of a stranger.
reAllytee
08-12-2009, 20:44
I know I give Boof a lot of leeway when out because otherwise I he is a total nightmare. Many get upset because he is loud etc but very very rarely is he to the point of unruly & then I am generally by his side trying to pull him into line.
I think there is a difference to children being playful in the supermarket & being kids as opposed to the ones who are completely out of hand & totally unsupervised. I too find it very frustrating when kids are running around being totally unruly yet their parents are nowhere to be seen, as though shops are childcare centres of sorts.
But in all honesty those sorts of kids & parents are few & far between most are just being kids & their parents are trying their best ....
We do expect a lot from kids, as though they should know how to behave at a young age or that they should be seen & not heard. I think that is a lot to put onto a young child but after 10yrs I think that changes where they should start to know better.
delirium
08-12-2009, 20:49
No, having a spirited child isn't an excuse, but it's an explanation. Before I had kids and even after I had DD, who is usually a well behaved girl, I would be shocked at how some children behaved in supermarkets screeching for lollies and them running up and down. I'm embarassed to admit I used to think "control your child".
Then I had DS :o He tries to run off (thus me keeping him in the trolley) he screeches for the food in the trolley (he doesn't understand you have to pay for them first). He is the child I frowned at ;)
So again, I see your point if they are actually knocking people over. That's really not acceptable. But as the mum of a very spirited child I do try so hard to have him well behaved, he just has other plans :laughing:
It's hard living in a society that isn't very child-friendly and still prefers children to be seen and not heard. My children often like to walk in the shops - As long as they are not destructive or getting in peoples way I give them a fairly long rope (so no I wouldnt allow them to be so out of hand that they may knock someone down). Sometimes they will be rather enthusiastic, giggling or singing loudly, skipping joyfully to the end of the aisle to wait for me. I'm lucky in that neither of my boys are runners (as in run away super fast) so I can allow them that freedom to participate in what I'm doing.
It was lovely in India where my children were welcomed anywhere as they brighten up peoples days.
I tend to agree with you. I see all too often kids getting in "trouble" for just being kids. It's unfortunate we now live in a society where children are expected to behave like adults :(
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 20:54
Oh I do agree that kids can be kids, but there's a world of difference between kids who are loud and bouncy or even having a tantrum in the supermarket, and those so out of control they are knocking people over. Do we allow them to cause physical harm to a person just because they're kids? Do we allow them to run riot and knock things off the shelf without pulling them up on it or cleaning up after them just because they're kids?
SorenLorensen
08-12-2009, 20:57
yesterday while at the shops 3 brothers (well, i am 'assuming' they were brothers) around the ages of 7-4 came flying around the corner into the aisle i was in. it was the lolly aisle and they were excited.
the 1st thing and pretty much the only thing i thought until this point was.
'Damn i wish i could run around in just a pair of boardies right now' :laughing:
their mum called out to them, she had a full trolly and a bub in their (also with just boadies on :p)...she had her hands full, they are kids and 'if' they had knocked into me then honestly i would have been more worried bout them then me, trollies are big metal carts and mine very well could have hurt them.
yes parents 'should' keep them under control but in many cases i would say that is very much easier said then done.
SassyMummy
08-12-2009, 21:00
It's not a "these days," thing. Go back to when our parents were kids... or even our grandparents. They lived in a world less child-friendly than it currently is. Difference was, you just didn't bring your kids shopping - you left them with a friend, or let them take care of themselves. If they HAD to come, they had to act like angels or they'd get a flogging. Obviously not absolutely ALL, but in general, this is how things were.
Anyway, while it annoys me to have to listen to some kid screeching like a banshee in the shops, I can handle it and I understand that it's just something kids do that embarrasses you that you cannot really help happening.
You can, however, not just let your kids run around the entire supermarket on their own, not watching where they're going, getting run into by trolleys, knocking people over, having people stress out for fear of running into them, etc etc.
My kid is spirited and she is a stubborn little so-and-so - but I am the boss and will do whatever I can to ensure that she behaves. Sure may wail about it, and I'm sorry that shoppers have to put up with it... but her whinges are hardly dangerous. If she ran around all on her own while I shopped at a leisurely pace (as I so often see people doing in shops), then it IS dangerous and IMO, unacceptable.
I would have no issues with someone telling her off. Not yelling at, hitting or abusing her, but telling her off in a stern, strict voice is more than fine. If I'm not doing it myself then I think someone else should, or if I am and it's just not working having someone else interfere usually shocks them a little and actually works.
Woolworths now have ONLINE shopping..hint hint ;)
Don't make my workplace unsafe for your own sanity!
I haven't heard this new phenomena of people getting bowled over in shops by children. Can't say it's ever happened to me or anyone I know. I have had my feet trampled on by a few dumb adults with trolleys :laughing:
SassyMummy - actually yes I do agree with you it's not a 'these days' things, more of a cultural thing. There's many cultures where children aren't seen as nuisances, it's just unfortunate that ours does.
~BEXTER~
08-12-2009, 21:05
I hate it!
I think parents need to control their kids if they are going to take them shopping. It is a public place with elderly people, one knock from these wild kid and they could break a bone.
Keiara always holds my hand she has known from a young age if she wants to walk she has to hold my hand or she goes in the trolley, it really isn't hard.
Most people just let their children run wild because they couldn't be bothered with a tantrum.
Sheer Bliss
08-12-2009, 21:09
Oh I do agree that kids can be kids, but there's a world of difference between kids who are loud and bouncy or even having a tantrum in the supermarket, and those so out of control they are knocking people over. Do we allow them to cause physical harm to a person just because they're kids? Do we allow them to run riot and knock things off the shelf without pulling them up on it or cleaning up after them just because they're kids?
I think maybe there is a bit of misunderstanding by what you meant in your OP. I was imagining little kids, up to 5ish running about getting a bit excited by shopping.....that was what I was thinking when I said that we try and teach them the right thing, but sometimes kids are kids. But in your next post where you mention 11yo - there is no good reason for an 11yo to be running amok like that in a supermarket, and IMO no, that's not on. My 8yo nephew is old enough to know that sort of behaviour is not OK, so an 11yo well and truly should.
Woolworths now have ONLINE shopping..hint hint ;)
Don't make my workplace unsafe for your own sanity!
Minimum purchase required.....and delivery times close - not useful for the odd occassion that I NEED to get bread and milk in order to do the lunches the next day when DH unexpectedly works late. LOL. Although when the twins were newborn - it was a godsend for the weekly/fortnightly shop!
SorenLorensen
08-12-2009, 21:12
I have had my feet trampled on by a few dumb adults with trolleys :laughing:
oooo or when they run into the back of your ankles :crying::crying:
Where do you people shop? I've never seen a kid running up and down the aisles of a supermarket. DD1 will go ahead of me to get things off the shelf etc. but she is careful of the other people and I really don't think it's a bad thing and I get lots of comments about how she is a great little helper.
I wouldn't allow her to run through the shop, no. However if one day she decided to I'd have a hard time stopping her I think...but I've never seen any kid run around the supermarket.
samsausage
08-12-2009, 21:14
The safety aspect of it certainly bothers me. I couldn't care less about yelling and crying etc but there is no way I would let my son race out of control around a supermarket. I would be horrified if he hurt someone and I'd feel terrible if he fell/smacked into something and hurt himself. It's not breaking his spirit or putting him in a box marked 'child' to want to protect him from injury, I thought it's what I am supposed to do as his mother?
oooo or when they run into the back of your ankles :crying::crying:
*shudder* I hate that!
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 21:17
There's no delivery in Townsville unless you order from somewhere else and pay high postage, and you can't get fresh items, only shelf items.
I can't imagine a 4 or 5 year old bowling people over, and it's not a "new" thing either, I'm going back more than 6 years ago with my experience, but have also seen an elderly lady knocked over by kids about 7 to 9 years of age.
Definately kids at 4 and 5 can be told it's not on and there's a lot of ways for parents to keep their kids occupied when shopping, I did it with 5 kids and only 2 of the 5 kids were "easy" children. The 3 year old had autism and found things difficult to understand, the toddler was just a very typical little toddler, and my 5 year old, as mentioned, is a spirited child, and has also since been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome and OCD.
It's not like I don't know how hard it is, but it's not about stopping kids from being happy and excited, just stopping them running and skidding and being dangerous and distruptive to others.
delirium
08-12-2009, 21:18
Woolworths now have ONLINE shopping..hint hint ;)
Don't make my workplace unsafe for your own sanity!
We live in the bush and unfortunately our woolies doesn't have online shopping. Oh how I wish it did :yes: It would save me the embarassment and stress.
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 21:21
Where do you people shop? I've never seen a kid running up and down the aisles of a supermarket. DD1 will go ahead of me to get things off the shelf etc. but she is careful of the other people and I really don't think it's a bad thing and I get lots of comments about how she is a great little helper.
I wouldn't allow her to run through the shop, no. However if one day she decided to I'd have a hard time stopping her I think...but I've never seen any kid run around the supermarket.
I used to shop in Aitkenvale but don't now. Mine helps in the supermarket too and has her own little trolley in Coles that she fills with different things. I might leave her in charge of putting the cold things in her trolley and she loves it. Yep she has gotten in the way of people without realising and I just apologise and tell her "That lady's trying to look at those things sweetheart, how about we stand back for just a minute hey" and she's more than happy to do so. If she were to see that someone was there and purposely push them out of the way to get to what she wanted there would be trouble, that's not on, but to get in the way without realising is completely different and not worth stressing over, but not worth letting her do either.
[QUOTE=MummaBear03;4291207]Do you let your kids do this?
I'm asking because I've noticed people getting upset when their kids are yelled at by people who have been knocked over at the shops and the parents complain that it's not their place to discipline the kids.
I actually think that if someone is knocked over by a child they are well within their rights to speak up about it.
QUOTE]
Yep, I agree and i would probably pipe up if i was knocked (within reason) as i would also expect somebody else to do the same if it was my ds that knocked them (within reason)
WorkingClassMum
08-12-2009, 21:23
Woolworths now have ONLINE shopping..hint hint ;)
Don't make my workplace unsafe for your own sanity!
PMSL - the prices Online are more Exxy than in the shop, the variety is NOT there, and BTW - it may be your workplace, but it's a retail shop and I pay your wages...
hate it when kids run wild in any kind of shop...sorry...but a couple times I have rather loudly called them "little ****s"!!!(when there parents ..cant hear)....
Jeesz a little tolerence.... I was once like this, then I had kids... - call my kid a **** and I'll probably give you an earfull too - ever heard about leading by example????
...
PMSL - yet again - it's a minefield - judgemental holier-than-thou sanctimonious lot we all are.
nothanksbye
08-12-2009, 21:24
hate it when kids run wild in any kind of shop...sorry...but a couple times I have rather loudly called them "little ****s"!!!(when there parents ..cant hear)....
classy.
:yes:
I have 4 kids, and they have all tried the tantrum stuff on me. If you allow them to do it once just to avoid a tantrum, then they will just repeat it over and over again because they know they will get away with it.
If my kids throw a wobbly that just goes on and on, then I dump the shopping and leave. Kids need boundries and shopping is one place where kids need to be properly supervised. It's also a workplace for some, and kids running about is not safe.
HAHAHAHAHAHA...
tried that.
Didnt work one bit with my kids.
:iagree:Ever since I've had my own child I just can't help but smile at children no matter how mischievous they are being.
I've been knocked over by children, they don't mean any harm and the parents always look so apologetic.
I've had children push in front of me in line, I generally let them. And when the mother comes up to apologise I tell her it's ok, she has her hands full and I'm not busy so I don't mind waiting.
I probably would say something like "Watch where you're going matey" but thats about it.
I'm just a big softie.
The only time I've lost it at someone elses child is when a boy kept throwing his ball directly at the adults talking. He was repeatedly asked not to but kept doing it looking like :devil:
This went on for ages.
He threw the ball really hard at me and hit me in the neck and winded me. I yelled at him and everyone else looked at me like I lost my mind.
I am a big softie too.
When I was pregnant , I had a trolley hit into my belly by an old man who was not looking.
My DD does run around. She doesnt knock people. But to be honest letting her go means she is not screaming the whole place down.
My children have been told off for singing at the shops..lol.
You cant ever please everybody so we just do the best we can.
Sheer Bliss
08-12-2009, 21:25
It's not like I don't know how hard it is, but it's not about stopping kids from being happy and excited, just stopping them running and skidding and being dangerous and distruptive to others.
That is where I am with Areca - where on earth do you shop, as I have not ever seen kids skidding about and being disruptive, only little kids, getting a little ahead of mum in the trolley as they 'help' with getting things off the shelf. I've never seen kids racing about like you described, which is probably why I am saying kids are kids.....they are when they are a few steps ahead. As for you knowing how hard it is, well, everyones situation is different, just because you have done it in one situation with kids (and kids always behave differently for differnt people too) doesn't mean that every child will be perfectly behaved in a shop.
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 21:36
That is where I am with Areca - where on earth do you shop, as I have not ever seen kids skidding about and being disruptive, only little kids, getting a little ahead of mum in the trolley as they 'help' with getting things off the shelf. I've never seen kids racing about like you described, which is probably why I am saying kids are kids.....they are when they are a few steps ahead. As for you knowing how hard it is, well, everyones situation is different, just because you have done it in one situation with kids (and kids always behave differently for differnt people too) doesn't mean that every child will be perfectly behaved in a shop.
I think people are confued. I don't see it too often now as I shop at a different place now and it's totally different but I went to another shop again today and it was full of kids just running wild seemingly there without parents at all :confused:
I'm not talking about kids who are ahead of their parents, nor am I talking about kids who are bouncing and screaming or even fighting and having a tantrum. For some reason if it's not my kid having a tantrum I seem able to tune it out, I can hear it but have no reaction to it unless it's a high-pitched squeal when I'm driving but that's a different thing entirely!!! I'm talking about children who are fully out of control and who are being dangerous.
And to the PP saying she was hit in the belly when pregnant, obviously you did not have to spend time in the hospital from it due to the severity of it so please don't downplay it.
nothanksbye
08-12-2009, 21:40
I think people are confued. I don't see it too often now as I shop at a different place now and it's totally different but I went to another shop again today and it was full of kids just running wild seemingly there without parents at all :confused:
I'm not talking about kids who are ahead of their parents, nor am I talking about kids who are bouncing and screaming or even fighting and having a tantrum. For some reason if it's not my kid having a tantrum I seem able to tune it out, I can hear it but have no reaction to it unless it's a high-pitched squeal when I'm driving but that's a different thing entirely!!! I'm talking about children who are fully out of control and who are being dangerous.
And to the PP saying she was hit in the belly when pregnant, obviously you did not have to spend time in the hospital from it due to the severity of it so please don't downplay it.
I did actually.
I went in that night as i started bleeding.
I am just saying that it was an old man that hit me....it doesnt make all old men dangerous.
how is that downplaying your situation?
:confused::confused:
Downplaying would be ...
Oh its ok getting hit in the belly when pregnant doesnt matter I was fine when it happened to me.
I am trying to say that anyone can get hit by anyone..not just kids.
JabberJaw
08-12-2009, 21:41
hate it when kids run wild in any kind of shop...sorry...but a couple times I have rather loudly called them "little ****s"!!!(when there parents ..cant hear)....
How rude, personally i rather kids run amok than to hear people whisper stuff like that under their breath.
Woolworths now have ONLINE shopping..hint hint ;)
Don't make my workplace unsafe for your own sanity!
HINT HINT, if you don't like kidlets who aren't perfect little lemmings not making a sound whilst shopping, why don't you shop online? It mothers like me with a tribe of 4, who make noise, ask for stuff and race to get the bread/milk/whatever, that keep people like you in the workplace to start with.
My kids are not angels, they do show respect (mostly) they do race to get stuff. My 21 month old has tantrums till she can walk or help push the trolley, my 12 year old asks for EVERYTHING and doesn't stop talking, my 5 and 6 year old fight over everything....but hey, i gotta feed them, if i didn't, well people would complain about that too.
Why do people JUDGE EVERYTHING other parents do? I have never had a child crash into me, but i have seen them running around, it doesn't bother me in the slightest....
BUT what i do hate is when the WORKERS leave ladders in the isle.....you leave a ladder, and be assured my kid or someone Else's will wanna climb on it.
Poppetfish
08-12-2009, 21:44
I really dislike seeing little toddlers running around at the supermarket. I usually have my 2 children and I manage to keep them entertained so it isn't that hard.
A few weeks ago there was a little girl in the shampoo isle really bored and obviously running ahead of her dad because she kept running up and down the isle yelling "DADDDDDDDDDDD, HURRRRRRRY UP!" I asked her to find me the orange shampoo with fruit on it. I had to stop what i was doing and baby sit her while her dad caught up. I also had my 2 children.
If you know your toddler is a runner, use an ergo or another carrier or make them sit in the trolley. I would much prefer a toddler tantrum then a toddler running around the supermarket where there are dangerous items.:no:
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 21:46
I did actually.
I went in that night as i started bleeding.
I am just saying that it was an old man that hit me....it doesnt make all old men dangerous.
how is that downplaying your situation?
:confused::confused:
Downplaying would be ...
Oh its ok getting hit in the belly when pregnant doesnt matter I was fine when it happened to me.
I am trying to say that anyone can get hit by anyone..not just kids.
Ok, my apologies. I bet he wasn't running at full speed though. These kids were almost the same size as me so it's not like they were little kids either. If a 3 year old or whatever did that, chances are they'd have hurt themselves on the trolley and would not have hit it hard enough to cause any problems to me and the baby. I would have definately been more concerned about the child than the fact that they were running, that's for sure.
nothanksbye
08-12-2009, 21:47
PMSL - yet again - it's a minefield - judgemental holier-than-thou sanctimonious lot we all are.
:yelclap::yelclap::yelclap::yelclap:
Well i cope with my kids so EVERYONE should be able to do the same...
hahahahahhahaahahhahaah
when kids are all the same then life will be so easy huh?
delirium
08-12-2009, 21:52
hate it when kids run wild in any kind of shop...sorry...but a couple times I have rather loudly called them "little ****s"!!!(when there parents ..cant hear)....
wow, that's really harsh, in fact I was really upset when I read this. Honestly, you are assigning adult behaviours and expectations on little kids but don't seem to apply that expectation to yourself.
I'm always tearing after my child if he isn't in the trolley and if some woman called my beautiful but full on boy a little ****, wow, they're be fireworks. :banghead: Be careful, you may bite off more than you can chew if some stressed out mum who's just trying her best hears you say that.
Are you kids always perfectly behaved Maybelline?
samsausage
08-12-2009, 21:53
Why the defensiveness about trying to control behaviour that could lead to injury to your child? I know we can't all have our children behaving in a safe manner at all times but isn't it better to try rather than say 'kids are kids and stuff you all'? I don't think anyone has any issues with normal child behaviour but ignoring potentially dangerous situations is irresponsible.
nothanksbye
08-12-2009, 21:55
Why the defensiveness about trying to control behaviour that could lead to injury to your child? I know we can't all have our children behaving in a safe manner at all times but isn't it better to try rather than say 'kids are kids and stuff you all'? I don't think anyone has any issues with normal child behaviour but ignoring potentially dangerous situations is irresponsible.
But its not ignoring.
I dont ignore my DD.
I send her on missions.
Go find me a loaf of bread...
Go find me a can of corn...
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 21:59
wow, that's really harsh, in fact I was really upset when I read this. Honestly, you are assigning adult behaviours and expectations on little kids but don't seem to apply that expectation to yourself.
I'm always tearing after my child if he isn't in the trolley and if some woman called my beautiful but full on boy a little ****, wow, they're be fireworks. :banghead: Be careful, you may bite off more than you can chew if some stressed out mum who's just trying her best hears you say that.
I agree, that's taking it to a whole different level! Like I said, there's no way I'd speak to any child (including my own) in a manner other than what I'd say in my workplace when working with children in a professional manner. I would never sneakily swear at a child and hide that from the parent. I would tell a child off for being dangerous. I did yell after being hit but was also in instant excrutiating pain (this coming from someone who had no pains through labour or childbirth and had no drugs!) and ended up having to stop shopping entirely and get to the hospital. Why should people have to be put in that position when the parents should be doing their job and keeping their children from doing those things? Had those kids come tearing around the corner and hit a ladder and caused themselves serious harm I bet the parents would be after the blood of the person who put it there and endangered their child!
Fuchsia!
08-12-2009, 22:00
Maybelline, thats setting a really good example to then isn't it!
Anyway at my local supermarket they had teeny little trolleys, they were so good. The kids used to behave themselves so much better but on the odd occasion they would lose control and run into someone, usually and old person!
Anyway all the little trolley (there were probably about 20 of them) slowly disapeared one by one.
The local paper ran a story and claimed that there was a conspiracy theory going on that the old folks were stealing them :laughing::laughing:
But yeah not sure teh point of that story but anyway!
Im a big softie too, i know what its like to try and get the shopping done, and when my eldest does something my youngest copies, so i usually have to try and control both.
So when a child runs in to me, i always say politely "watch out darling, you might hurt yourself" with a smile on my face and they sometimes say sorry and run back to their mother.
Lifes to short to worry about little things like that.
TBH old people annoy me more then anyone else but thats a while other thread :laughing:
wow, that's really harsh, in fact I was really upset when I read this. Honestly, you are assigning adult behaviours and expectations on little kids but don't seem to apply that expectation to yourself.
I'm always tearing after my child if he isn't in the trolley and if some woman called my beautiful but full on boy a little ****, wow, they're be fireworks. :banghead: Be careful, you may bite off more than you can chew if some stressed out mum who's just trying her best hears you say that.
Are you kids always perfectly behaved Maybelline?
Yup I agree. I'd much prefer a child "tearing" down the supermarket aisles to a grown adult calling a child a little ****.
Why the defensiveness about trying to control behaviour that could lead to injury to your child? I know we can't all have our children behaving in a safe manner at all times but isn't it better to try rather than say 'kids are kids and stuff you all'? I don't think anyone has any issues with normal child behaviour but ignoring potentially dangerous situations is irresponsible.
I seriously must be living on another planet. I haven't come across these life-threatening situations in everyday supermarkets.
I don't try to "control" my son at supermarkets, but I sure keep him occupied.
Maybe we need to look up how many injuries and deaths that have occurred in supermarkets compared to, say, a playground.
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 22:01
But its not ignoring.
I dont ignore my DD.
I send her on missions.
Go find me a loaf of bread...
Go find me a can of corn...
This is NOT the behaviour I'm talking about! In fact I wish MORE parents would do just as you are doing! I think people are completely missing the point here...
samsausage
08-12-2009, 22:02
But its not ignoring.
I dont ignore my DD.
I send her on missions.
Go find me a loaf of bread...
Go find me a can of corn...
Not sure what you're getting at there, I'm talking about the posts where people *I think* are saying kids are kids and letting them run amok is ok.
delirium
08-12-2009, 22:02
If my child nearly bowled someone over, I would be fine with a "careful honey, you might hurt someone. Please be more careful". But calling a child a little **** loud enough for the child to hear but quiet enough so the parent doesn't.... that's just really really horrible. :no:
MrsTwith3
08-12-2009, 22:03
Have any of you tried strapping in a toddler who is in the throes of a tantrum into one of the seats in a trolley? The amount of strength my DS has he would injure himself more from tipping the bloomin thing over as opposed to racing ahead of me in the aisle.
Once again to have perfectly behaved children ALL of the time would be a dream. To have rude people call your child a little s*** is just disgusting from a supposed adult.
Fuchsia!
08-12-2009, 22:03
wow, that's really harsh, in fact I was really upset when I read this. Honestly, you are assigning adult behaviours and expectations on little kids but don't seem to apply that expectation to yourself.
I'm always tearing after my child if he isn't in the trolley and if some woman called my beautiful but full on boy a little ****, wow, they're be fireworks. :banghead: Be careful, you may bite off more than you can chew if some stressed out mum who's just trying her best hears you say that.
Are you kids always perfectly behaved Maybelline?
totally agree 1000000%
if someone spoke to my child like they would want to look out.
WorkingClassMum
08-12-2009, 22:05
Why the defensiveness about trying to control behaviour that could lead to injury to your child? I know we can't all have our children behaving in a safe manner at all times but isn't it better to try rather than say 'kids are kids and stuff you all'? I don't think anyone has any issues with normal child behaviour but ignoring potentially dangerous situations is irresponsible.
I doubt anyone on here ignores their child's undesirable behaviour, but rather why must there always be judgement about kids not being perfect little robots?
I've rarely seen kids hooning around the aisles running into people, breaking ankles and hospitalising people enmasse, but I've seen plenty of ignorant arrogant stiff necked people through filthy looks at kids truely just being kids.
As for people not liking kids in their retail workplace- I reckon you're working in the wrong industry
Poppetfish
08-12-2009, 22:07
Have any of you tried strapping in a toddler who is in the throes of a tantrum into one of the seats in a trolley? The amount of strength my DS has he would injure himself more from tipping the bloomin thing over as opposed to racing ahead of me in the aisle.
Yes i have and I do. I think children have to strapped into car seats so why not apply the same principle? Repetition. Don't give in. Then reward good behavior and ignore bad behavior.:yes:
nothanksbye
08-12-2009, 22:07
This is NOT the behaviour I'm talking about! In fact I wish MORE parents would do just as you are doing! I think people are completely missing the point here...
noo..cos my girl is a spirited one and she yells and runs and screams..
she doesnt walk slowly she bolts...
samsausage
08-12-2009, 22:09
Benji, in the last 6 months I've seen 3 children injured in shopping centres/supermarkets when they have been racing around and collided with something. Those 3 were just me out and about shopping, professionally (ambo) I've seen far more but I didn't witness the accidents so it's always hard to say what happened. I'm not saying accidents should never happen but surely as parents it should concern us that it does and we should take every precaution to prevent it?
nothanksbye
08-12-2009, 22:09
Yes i have and I do. I think children have to strapped into car seats so why not apply the same principle? Repetition. Don't give in. Then reward good behavior and ignore bad behavior.:yes:
I will never ever strap my child into a trolley. Especially if they are having a tanty.
Thats so dangerous..those things flip.
Benji, in the last 6 months I've seen 3 children injured in shopping centres/supermarkets when they have been racing around and collided with something. Those 3 were just me out and about shopping, professionally (ambo) I've seen far more but I didn't witness the accidents so it's always hard to say what happened. I'm not saying accidents should never happen but surely as parents it should concern us that it does and we should take every precaution to prevent it?
Do you mean, never let kids run? They could be running and hurt themselves anywhere!!
How on earth can parents prevent accidents? They are called accidents for a reason.
I think I'm just totally lost on this discussion, I have never come across this supposed phenomena of feral kids running around in shopping centres.
I'm so glad I now do online shopping :dizzy: the judgement of children and their parents never ceases to amaze me.
WorkingClassMum
08-12-2009, 22:14
Yes i have and I do. I think children have to strapped into car seats so why not apply the same principle? Repetition. Don't give in. Then reward good behavior and ignore bad behavior.:yes:
There's a world of difference b/w a padded 5 point belted car seat that's not going to tip over and a steel shopping trolley with just a waist strap.
I've tried ignoring DD's bad behaviour for 5 years... but that just gets me dirty looks of other shoppers...
mum2bubba
08-12-2009, 22:14
No I don't let my kids do this. Skye and Nathan are in trolleys anyway (well, Nathan is too young to be running around), Hayley GOES to run up and down the aisles but we tell her not to, its too dangerous I think.
delirium
08-12-2009, 22:15
Have any of you tried strapping in a toddler who is in the throes of a tantrum into one of the seats in a trolley? The amount of strength my DS has he would injure himself more from tipping the bloomin thing over as opposed to racing ahead of me in the aisle.
Once again to have perfectly behaved children ALL of the time would be a dream. To have rude people call your child a little s*** is just disgusting from a supposed adult.
:iagree: As I have said, I always strap DS in the trolley as he is a bolter. But those flimsy stomach staps with the velco don't always hold a strong 2.5 yo boy. I try my very best, but what am I meant to do, belt him in the middle of the supermarket? Then I would get even more looks. :rolleyes:
I doubt anyone on here ignores their child's undesirable behaviour, but rather why must there always be judgement about kids not being perfect little robots?
:yes: So true. I had to be a perfect little robot as a child, and while of course I don't want my kids to have bad behaviour, I'd rather they can express themselves than be like I had to be growing up.
samsausage
08-12-2009, 22:18
I guess I liken it to my DS being a runner near roads. I was, pre-children, uneasy about the idea of a harness but when faced with a fast, spirited little boy who loved to try and race into the road I overcame any uneasiness quick smart! Same applies in a supermarket, if he runs off he has to sit in the trolley, either that or we go home, I don't yell or threaten and I always explain why.
Poppetfish
08-12-2009, 22:19
I will never ever strap my child into a trolley. Especially if they are having a tanty.
Thats so dangerous..those things flip.
Hold it so it doesn't.
I will tell a true story about a little girl i used to babysit when i was 12 and she was 4. She was at the shopping centre with her mother and big sister(5). Her mum was at the ATM at the checkout and there was a moving sign just out the front of the shop. They were running their hands up the sign as it moved. It fell off of the wall onto thew 4 yr old and crusher her. She died 4 hrs later in theatre! Dont believe me, It happened at Arndale shopping centre in 1997.
2/12/98 AD-BOX AUSTRALIA PTY LTD pleaded guilty for a breach of Section 24(2) and fined $4,500 plus costs for failing to ensure as far as reasonably practicable that the advertising display unit would be safe when properly used and maintained and when subjected to reasonable foreseeable forms of misuse.
On June 5 1997 a sign came loose from a wall and fell, crushing a four-year-old child at Westfield Shopping Centre Arndale.
http://www.safework.sa.gov.au/print_page.jsp?id=2180
samsausage
08-12-2009, 22:23
Well, ummmm, not sure how to answer the comment about stopping kids running..... of course you let them run, just preferably in areas they're less likely to get hurt.
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 22:23
No I don't let my kids do this. Skye and Nathan are in trolleys anyway (well, Nathan is too young to be running around), Hayley GOES to run up and down the aisles but we tell her not to, its too dangerous I think.
Good stuff!
I agree, those trolleys can be dangerous, DD had to always sit still in them and they aren't really designed for tantruming kids.
Phenomena of children knocking kids over? Are you kidding me? It DOES happen! Oh, if you shop online that's probably WHY you don't see it happen!
I've seen all the time where kids run to the end of the aisle or wherever to get a product they are looking for and are being noisy and bouncing at the same time. Again, VERY different to what I'm talking about.
DD knows that if she misbehaves we go home. If she's misbehaved at the shops we've left, simple as that and she's gone into time out for misbehaving. If we needed bread and milk we just got it from around at the bakery. If we needed fruit and veg there was a fruit and veg shop so we avoided (still do) the supermarket.
Hold it so it doesn't.
I will tell a true story about a little girl i used to babysit when i was 12 and she was 4. She was at the shopping centre with her mother and big sister(5). Her mum was at the ATM at the checkout and there was a moving sign just out the front of the shop. They were running their hands up the sign as it moved. It fell off of the wall onto thew 4 yr old and crusher her. She died 4 hrs later in theatre! Dont believe me, It happened at Arndale shopping centre in 1997.
http://www.safework.sa.gov.au/print_page.jsp?id=2180
I remember that. Hardly the blame of the little girl who died!!
Do you really think people would be happy with mothers trying to force their screaming child into a trolley?? I can just imagine all the "oh that cruel mother" comments.. People can't win.
This is not me being 'defensive'.. I just think we kind of sound a bit.. erm.. :o elderly sitting here having a whinge session about children and how crap their parents are!
nothanksbye
08-12-2009, 22:25
http://monash.edu.au/muarc/VISU/reports/trolley.html
WorkingClassMum
08-12-2009, 22:25
I will tell a true story about a little girl i used to babysit when i was 12 and she was 4. .
http://www.safework.sa.gov.au/print_page.jsp?id=2180
I'm really sorry the girl died, but the child wasn't being a feral hoon running around a shopping centre?? she was runnging her hands up and down the rotating sign - and if the advert/sign owner was fined it was obvioulsy faulty/dangerous and the child wasn't to blame.
And I am unable to work out how to hold a trolley and strap a fiesty child in at the same time unless I grow arms off my hips.
Good stuff!
I agree, those trolleys can be dangerous, DD had to always sit still in them and they aren't really designed for tantruming kids.
Phenomena of children knocking kids over? Are you kidding me? It DOES happen! Oh, if you shop online that's probably WHY you don't see it happen!
I've seen all the time where kids run to the end of the aisle or wherever to get a product they are looking for and are being noisy and bouncing at the same time. Again, VERY different to what I'm talking about.
DD knows that if she misbehaves we go home. If she's misbehaved at the shops we've left, simple as that and she's gone into time out for misbehaving. If we needed bread and milk we just got it from around at the bakery. If we needed fruit and veg there was a fruit and veg shop so we avoided (still do) the supermarket.
I had to stop going to supermarkets because I simply don't have time to go any more. I used to go every 2nd or 3rd day with DS.
Not once have I seen a child threatening the safety of everybody else in the shop.
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 22:26
Hold it so it doesn't.
I will tell a true story about a little girl i used to babysit when i was 12 and she was 4. She was at the shopping centre with her mother and big sister(5). Her mum was at the ATM at the checkout and there was a moving sign just out the front of the shop. They were running their hands up the sign as it moved. It fell off of the wall onto thew 4 yr old and crusher her. She died 4 hrs later in theatre! Dont believe me, It happened at Arndale shopping centre in 1997.
http://www.safework.sa.gov.au/print_page.jsp?id=2180
That's so sad :crying:
nothanksbye
08-12-2009, 22:27
Hold it so it doesn't.
ok...and how do I put the groceries in?
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 22:30
I had to stop going to supermarkets because I simply don't have time to go any more. I used to go every 2nd or 3rd day with DS.
Not once have I seen a child threatening the safety of everybody else in the shop.
If you haven't seen it, you probably wouldn't understand.
Anyone shopped at the Upper Ross IGA? Or at Coles in Centro at Aitkenvale? Or gone to Stockland on a Thursday night? Ok, Stockland is more about high school kids rather than primary school aged children, but I won't go there on a Thursday night.
I will admit to not letting my children run around inside a shop, I have always been very particular about that. The only time one of them is away from me is if I ask DS1 (who is 9) to go and get something for me, otherwise they are walking beside me or in the trolley. (Usually, 3 walking and one in the trolley.)
There are kids running around everywhere in our local shop - doesn't overly bother me but I think it is not appropriate for my children to be doing. I would definitely not ever make a rude comment to someone else's child though :no: That is even more inappropriate IMO.
samsausage
08-12-2009, 22:31
"Not once have I seen a child threatening the safety of everybody else in the shop."
I've never seen a shark attack but apparently they do happen.
WorkingClassMum
08-12-2009, 22:32
I don't have the luxury of time to waste going home without the groceries
WorkingClassMum
08-12-2009, 22:33
"Not once have I seen a child threatening the safety of everybody else in the shop."
I've never seen a shark attack but apparently they do happen.
I've never seen a shark in the wild either, but I've seen plenty of kids in supermarkets...
actually, I've never seen a shark in a supermarket either, well except for in a cardboard box in the freezer aisle
SassyMummy
08-12-2009, 22:35
I think people are missing MBs point.
I don't think she's talking about 4/5 year olds or younger singing or shouting or even throwing a wobbly on the ground. She's got a 6-year-old herself and is a single mother... she knows how it can be out and about with a bored/tired/etc pre-schooler (or toddler or baby).
She is talking about children running around, unsupervised (or pretty much ignored) by their parents, while they run around the aisles as if it playing a game of tag or something, not really watching where they're going, bumping into people (of all ages), knocking things off shelves, dodging trolleys, etc etc.
My daughter will hurry along in front of me sometimes in an aisle and stop to look at something until I get there. She will sometimes try to run off into another aisle out of my sight... but out of my sight is completely off-limits. Ignoring the safety of strangers, it's a danger to her, having her out of my sight.
Anyone could take her. She could get lost and scared. She could run into someone and be hurt by a trolley or something. She might bump into an overfilled shelf and end up with a load of heavy tins on her. Obviously, she could also just be out of my sight for a short while, but tbh, I'd rather not risk it, and I'm pretty sure staff and customers would also prefer she was kept within my eyeshot to make sure that these things are less likely to occur.
On a busy shopping day, there are DEFINITE rules. She MUST hold onto the trolley. She MUST stay with me. She MUST do a whole lot of things or there will be consequences. It's not about being a mean Mum, it's about protecting both her, and other customers and staff.
I have had to pull DD out of the way of older children not watching where they're going numerous times, all unsupervised of course, and have also had to dodge them to make sure I don't run them down. I am going slowly, but they come out of nowhere, not looking, and I really don't want to hurt them. It's not life-threatening, no, but if it can be avoided, why not try?
I don't expect everyone to do exactly what I do with DD, but surely it's not ridiculous to ask that parents actually keep their children in sight, and act accordingly when their child starts to behave dangerously.
Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens.....
"Not once have I seen a child threatening the safety of everybody else in the shop."
I've never seen a shark attack but apparently they do happen.
Children and sharks are very similar :yes:
I don't have the luxury of time to waste going home without the groceries
Was it you who said you can't get online delivery? Seriously, it's a working mum's lifesaver!! I didn't have time to go either and after a day at work, the last thing I felt like was getting groceries.
But I agree with you, I wouldn't let my boy's bad behaviour dictate the rest of my day. If I need to get groceries, we go out and get groceries!!
Poppetfish
08-12-2009, 22:36
I'm really sorry the girl died, but the child wasn't being a feral hoon running around a shopping centre?? she was runnging her hands up and down the rotating sign - and if the advert/sign owner was fined it was obvioulsy faulty/dangerous and the child wasn't to blame.
And I am unable to work out how to hold a trolley and strap a fiesty child in at the same time unless I grow arms off my hips.
Actually Shay-Lee was a very spirited little girl. Her mum had the rule "As long as i can see you." If her mother made her go in the trolley or used the harness Shay-Lee would still be alive.:( I will never forget her mother saying how she would shill be here is she had just used a harness.:(
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 22:36
I've never seen a shark in the wild either, but I've seen plenty of kids in supermarkets...
I often see sharks in the wild, usually during a feeding frenzy around 5am off the west cost of Magnetic Island.
Again, if you haven't seen it then you probably don't understand what this is about. I'm not talking about excited, loud and bouncing children. I'm talking about children who cause people to have to go to hospital and who cause people to have to have an ambulance called for them because they're elderly and not long out of hospital after a recent hip injury. Should pregnant and elderly people just not shop in case people can't keep their kids from misbahaving to that extent?
I think people are missing MBs point.
I don't think she's talking about 4/5 year olds or younger singing or shouting or even throwing a wobbly on the ground. She's got a 6-year-old herself and is a single mother... she knows how it can be out and about with a bored/tired/etc pre-schooler (or toddler or baby).
She is talking about children running around, unsupervised (or pretty much ignored) by their parents, while they run around the aisles as if it playing a game of tag or something, not really watching where they're going, bumping into people (of all ages), knocking things off shelves, dodging trolleys, etc etc.
My daughter will hurry along in front of me sometimes in an aisle and stop to look at something until I get there. She will sometimes try to run off into another aisle out of my sight... but out of my sight is completely off-limits. Ignoring the safety of strangers, it's a danger to her, having her out of my sight.
Anyone could take her. She could get lost and scared. She could run into someone and be hurt by a trolley or something. She might bump into an overfilled shelf and end up with a load of heavy tins on her. Obviously, she could also just be out of my sight for a short while, but tbh, I'd rather not risk it, and I'm pretty sure staff and customers would also prefer she was kept within my eyeshot to make sure that these things are less likely to occur.
On a busy shopping day, there are DEFINITE rules. She MUST hold onto the trolley. She MUST stay with me. She MUST do a whole lot of things or there will be consequences. It's not about being a mean Mum, it's about protecting both her, and other customers and staff.
I have had to pull DD out of the way of older children not watching where they're going numerous times, all unsupervised of course, and have also had to dodge them to make sure I don't run them down. I am going slowly, but they come out of nowhere, not looking, and I really don't want to hurt them. It's not life-threatening, no, but if it can be avoided, why not try?
I don't expect everyone to do exactly what I do with DD, but surely it's not ridiculous to ask that parents actually keep their children in sight, and act accordingly when their child starts to behave dangerously.
I AGREE!!!!! :yelclap:
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 22:41
I think people are missing MBs point.
I don't think she's talking about 4/5 year olds or younger singing or shouting or even throwing a wobbly on the ground. She's got a 6-year-old herself and is a single mother... she knows how it can be out and about with a bored/tired/etc pre-schooler (or toddler or baby).
She is talking about children running around, unsupervised (or pretty much ignored) by their parents, while they run around the aisles as if it playing a game of tag or something, not really watching where they're going, bumping into people (of all ages), knocking things off shelves, dodging trolleys, etc etc.
My daughter will hurry along in front of me sometimes in an aisle and stop to look at something until I get there. She will sometimes try to run off into another aisle out of my sight... but out of my sight is completely off-limits. Ignoring the safety of strangers, it's a danger to her, having her out of my sight.
Anyone could take her. She could get lost and scared. She could run into someone and be hurt by a trolley or something. She might bump into an overfilled shelf and end up with a load of heavy tins on her. Obviously, she could also just be out of my sight for a short while, but tbh, I'd rather not risk it, and I'm pretty sure staff and customers would also prefer she was kept within my eyeshot to make sure that these things are less likely to occur.
On a busy shopping day, there are DEFINITE rules. She MUST hold onto the trolley. She MUST stay with me. She MUST do a whole lot of things or there will be consequences. It's not about being a mean Mum, it's about protecting both her, and other customers and staff.
I have had to pull DD out of the way of older children not watching where they're going numerous times, all unsupervised of course, and have also had to dodge them to make sure I don't run them down. I am going slowly, but they come out of nowhere, not looking, and I really don't want to hurt them. It's not life-threatening, no, but if it can be avoided, why not try?
I don't expect everyone to do exactly what I do with DD, but surely it's not ridiculous to ask that parents actually keep their children in sight, and act accordingly when their child starts to behave dangerously.
THANK YOU!!! I think someone's getting the point :yes:
samsausage
08-12-2009, 22:42
Thank you Sassymummy, you've just expressed my opinion far more eloquently than I could.
I often see sharks in the wild, usually during a feeding frenzy around 5am off the west cost of Magnetic Island.
Again, if you haven't seen it then you probably don't understand what this is about. I'm not talking about excited, loud and bouncing children. I'm talking about children who cause people to have to go to hospital and who cause people to have to have an ambulance called for them because they're elderly and not long out of hospital after a recent hip injury. Should pregnant and elderly people just not shop in case people can't keep their kids from misbahaving to that extent?
Your original post just mentions children "running and laughing".
What age range are you talking about? I can't imagine my almost 4 yo running at full pelt and hurting an elderly/pregnant person.
There are far more dangers in this world. Maybe pregnant women and the elderly should stay away from roads? They're far more dangerous. I think we're all far too paranoid.
delirium
08-12-2009, 22:44
There are kids running around everywhere in our local shop - doesn't overly bother me but I think it is not appropriate for my children to be doing. I would definitely not ever make a rude comment to someone else's child though :no: That is even more inappropriate IMO.
I could never imagine you doing that either. You are such a nice person :D You always see the good in everyone :kiss:
nothanksbye
08-12-2009, 22:45
Do you let your kids do this?
I'm asking because I've noticed people getting upset when their kids are yelled at by people who have been knocked over at the shops and the parents complain that it's not their place to discipline the kids.
I actually think that if someone is knocked over by a child they are well within their rights to speak up about it.
I don't let DD run in the supermarket, but she sometimes mentions that she wants to "play" with the other kids because they are running and laughing.
ok...sorry if i missed your point..
But I do let my child laugh and run...:confused::confused:
If my child knocked someone then I would be very apologetic..
But she is out of sight sometimes, she does run and she does laugh.
sorry for getting it wrong...baby brain is getting worse:D
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 22:48
ok...sorry if i missed your point..
But I do let my child laugh and run...:confused::confused:
If my child knocked someone then I would be very apologetic..
But she is out of sight sometimes, she does run and she does laugh.
sorry for getting it wrong...baby brain is getting worse:D
Ok I see the misunderstanding. To her at the age of 6, all she sees is the playing and laughing, I'm talking about behaviour that is potentially very dangerous to the child and others in the shop. The bit at the end was just how my DD sees it through the eyes of a 6 year old child. She doesn't see that it could be dangerous, it's up to me as her mother to tell her no because as an adult, I am able to see that it's not good.
I could never imagine you doing that either. You are such a nice person :D You always see the good in everyone :kiss:
Aww, thanks :hugs: I don't always see the good, haha, at least not at first, but I try!:o
BabelFish
08-12-2009, 22:55
I haven't read this whole thread but my 2 cents worth is that children from a certain age should (and can) be taught to respect others. So belting up and down supermarket aisles with no care for who they might run into or knock over is not my idea of teaching your children to respect others, and take care with what they're doing.
It depends on their age. You wouldn't expect an 18-month-old to do understand that but then, I wouldn't be letting my 18-month-old run up and down alone at a shopping centre anyway - for their own safety as much as anyone else's.
The one and only time my DD has been allowed to run free at Coles is when Mum came shopping with me once. She followed DD around like a limpet, making sure she was safe and that she wasn't causing mischief. They had a great time and I got my shopping done in peace, and DD didn't annoy anyone because Mum was there with her the whole time.
If she wants to get out of the trolley and she is getting restless and starting to complain and get loud, then she has two choices. She can walk with me and hold my hand, or she can be on her little furry poodle reins which she loves and thinks are a great game. If she resists and won't do either she's straight back in the trolley. It only takes once or twice for her to get the message.
99% of the time, though, I take her shopping after she's already had a good run at home, and can sit still for a bit without losing it. Easier for everyone, that way.
I hate the attitude that just because you have kids that means that everyone else's space and comfort and feelings can go jump. I really hate that. Showing respect for other people extends down to what you teach your kids about treating other people, and it's never too early to start.
WorkingClassMum
08-12-2009, 22:56
Ok I see the misunderstanding. To her at the age of 6, all she sees is the playing and laughing, I'm talking about behaviour that is potentially very dangerous to the child and others in the shop. The bit at the end was just how my DD sees it through the eyes of a 6 year old child. She doesn't see that it could be dangerous, it's up to me as her mother to tell her no because as an adult, I am able to see that it's not good.
Yes, :iagree:, but really that's in all aspects of life - not just Aisle 3 in Safeways.
I explain to my kids EVERYTIME we are in a carpark about safety and appropiate behaviour, everytime we cross the road, everytime we ride our bikes, travel on an escalator, a lift, go to Bunnings, etc etc etc.
It's part of life that kids have no care but for the here and now. Kids have no thought or concept of consequences really, that's what exploring life and our surroundings is all about. they are learning about action and re-action. Life for kids is just like knocking over domino's - lots of noise, clatter and action and the wish that they could do it all over again and again...
MummaBear03
08-12-2009, 23:01
Yes, :iagree:, but really that's in all aspects of life - not just Aisle 3 in Safeways.
I explain to my kids EVERYTIME we are in a carpark about safety and appropiate behaviour, everytime we cross the road, everytime we ride our bikes, travel on an escalator, a lift, go to Bunnings, etc etc etc.
I know, but this is about behaviour in supermarkets ;)
BabelFish
09-12-2009, 01:13
It's part of life that kids have no care but for the here and now. Kids have no thought or concept of consequences really, that's what exploring life and our surroundings is all about. they are learning about action and re-action. Life for kids is just like knocking over domino's - lots of noise, clatter and action and the wish that they could do it all over again and again...
That's why they need us to guide them. And a 6-year-old is quite capable of understanding the consequences of their actions. Simple things like not running in front of a car is not something you should need to explain over and over to a child that age.
And if they can get that, they can get that they should behave in shopping centres.
wouldnt it just matter if they are being a bit over the top? I mean I remember as a kid me and my brother used to love skipping across the different coloured tiles at coles i.e. if you step on the white bits you cant talk for the rest of the day.. :laughing:
but i know at times my mum would tell us off for getting "silly" as she would put it.. and then we would calm down a bit..
I don't think kids need to walk solemnly besides their parents at all times, but it's a bit rude and annoying if they are bumping into people and making heaps of noise
:laughing: i dont know where you guys shop but i have never seen kids running around in my supermarket.
Wouldnt bother me. What bothers me is people standing in the middle of the aisle with a trolley ignoring me when i ask them nicely to shift. Makes me have to yell "get outta my way please" which i dont like doing. As a PP said id rather see a kid running around having fun then throwing things on the floor chukin a tantie :)
MummaBear03
09-12-2009, 09:52
wouldnt it just matter if they are being a bit over the top? I mean I remember as a kid me and my brother used to love skipping across the different coloured tiles at coles i.e. if you step on the white bits you cant talk for the rest of the day.. :laughing:
but i know at times my mum would tell us off for getting "silly" as she would put it.. and then we would calm down a bit..
I don't think kids need to walk solemnly besides their parents at all times, but it's a bit rude and annoying if they are bumping into people and making heaps of noise
It the over the top behaviour that this in reference too, but people seem to think I have a problem with kids having fun and as your mum put it, being silly. I've got a 6 year old who is a spirited child, it's not like I don't know what kids are like! I've also worked in childcare for over a decade, I understand what kids are like, and I've also worked with troubled youths on top of that, as well as in disabilities, all quite similar fields of work really but shows a wide range of behaviours from children.
I'm not saying that parents need to make their children walk solemnly by their side, I'm saying that people need to teach their children, particularly as they get older (again, I'm not talking about those under school age, and by 11 they should be out of the supermarket tantrums anyway) how they are supposed to behave in public surroundings.
Reading some responses, either people are completely not understanding the type of behaviour I'm describing, or they are the reason there is so much of it around, allowing their children to behave in such a manner.
Yeah there are other things that are annoying too like people in the middle of the aisle, but I have found that if people have ignored my polite requests, they simply haven't heard so I say it louder. Can't say I've had people fully ignore me to the point where I've had to be rude to them, but that's not to say other people haven't experienced it. Saying you haven't experienced something doesn't mean it hasn't happened ever, it's just that YOU have not experienced it. It sounds like lots of people are also saying "Oh I've never come across that so it must not be happening" :confused: Where's the logic in that???
babygiggle
09-12-2009, 09:57
It's not something we allow our DS to do.
He knows that if he wants to walk, he needs to behave nicely and not run off, otherwise he goes into the trolley...
We've had several tantrums in the shops because he's done the wrong thing and has had to go into the trolley, but we ignore it and just get on with what we need to do...
BabelFish
09-12-2009, 13:20
It the over the top behaviour that this in reference too, but people seem to think I have a problem with kids having fun and as your mum put it, being silly. I've got a 6 year old who is a spirited child, it's not like I don't know what kids are like! I've also worked in childcare for over a decade, I understand what kids are like, and I've also worked with troubled youths on top of that, as well as in disabilities, all quite similar fields of work really but shows a wide range of behaviours from children.
I'm not saying that parents need to make their children walk solemnly by their side, I'm saying that people need to teach their children, particularly as they get older (again, I'm not talking about those under school age, and by 11 they should be out of the supermarket tantrums anyway) how they are supposed to behave in public surroundings.
Reading some responses, either people are completely not understanding the type of behaviour I'm describing, or they are the reason there is so much of it around, allowing their children to behave in such a manner.
Yeah there are other things that are annoying too like people in the middle of the aisle, but I have found that if people have ignored my polite requests, they simply haven't heard so I say it louder. Can't say I've had people fully ignore me to the point where I've had to be rude to them, but that's not to say other people haven't experienced it. Saying you haven't experienced something doesn't mean it hasn't happened ever, it's just that YOU have not experienced it. It sounds like lots of people are also saying "Oh I've never come across that so it must not be happening" :confused: Where's the logic in that???
:iagree:
That was perfectly said. If people won't teach kids respect and manners without it being seen as being the fun police and depriving them of being kids, it's easy to see why so many of the teenagers I see around are the way they are.
Chickadee
09-12-2009, 13:29
DD doesn't run up and down, but she does tend to walk out the ends of the aisles while looking backwards over her shoulder at me. So she could easily walk into someone or knock them down by accident. I'd be horrified if it happened and hugely apologetic to the person. But I'd also be upset if that person yelled at DD for what was an honest accident when she was behaving ok but just not looking where she was going. Adults are just as likely to not watch where they're going as DD is!
MummaBear03
09-12-2009, 14:05
DD doesn't run up and down, but she does tend to walk out the ends of the aisles while looking backwards over her shoulder at me. So she could easily walk into someone or knock them down by accident. I'd be horrified if it happened and hugely apologetic to the person. But I'd also be upset if that person yelled at DD for what was an honest accident when she was behaving ok but just not looking where she was going. Adults are just as likely to not watch where they're going as DD is!
Again, that is not the behaviour that's being described. I really think people are thinking i'm just gonna jump up and down about kids who are having fun and being innocent! Not the case! What you've described, I don't think anyone would have a problem with. I don't know how to make it any clearer about the type of behaviour I'm describing.
BabelFish
09-12-2009, 14:12
Have to say, I've never seen an adult knock anyone else over, or run headlong into them whilst out shopping. I must be going to the wrong places :laughing:
Have to say, I've never seen an adult knock anyone else over, or run headlong into them whilst out shopping. I must be going to the wrong places :laughing:
I've been run in to numerous times by adults not watching where they are walking.
It the over the top behaviour that this in reference too, but people seem to think I have a problem with kids having fun and as your mum put it, being silly. I've got a 6 year old who is a spirited child, it's not like I don't know what kids are like! I've also worked in childcare for over a decade, I understand what kids are like, and I've also worked with troubled youths on top of that, as well as in disabilities, all quite similar fields of work really but shows a wide range of behaviours from children.
I'm not saying that parents need to make their children walk solemnly by their side, I'm saying that people need to teach their children, particularly as they get older (again, I'm not talking about those under school age, and by 11 they should be out of the supermarket tantrums anyway) how they are supposed to behave in public surroundings.
Reading some responses, either people are completely not understanding the type of behaviour I'm describing, or they are the reason there is so much of it around, allowing their children to behave in such a manner.
Yeah there are other things that are annoying too like people in the middle of the aisle, but I have found that if people have ignored my polite requests, they simply haven't heard so I say it louder. Can't say I've had people fully ignore me to the point where I've had to be rude to them, but that's not to say other people haven't experienced it. Saying you haven't experienced something doesn't mean it hasn't happened ever, it's just that YOU have not experienced it. It sounds like lots of people are also saying "Oh I've never come across that so it must not be happening" :confused: Where's the logic in that???
oh it definitely happens! Not every time but i have seen kids running up and down the aisles bashing into people it is bloody annoying. I realize you would know this but feel the need to point out sometimes parents and carers might be out with a kid with autism or adhd cos i've been in the situation personally of being with a kid who is being totally inappropriate and i was very untrained at the time! That sort of thing aside, like i said, i can't agree more. Shops are a public place and i think most ppl want their kids and other people's to be good and not climbing the walls!
Whispers
09-12-2009, 15:15
:laughing: i dont know where you guys shop but i have never seen kids running around in my supermarket.
Wouldnt bother me. What bothers me is people standing in the middle of the aisle with a trolley ignoring me when i ask them nicely to shift. Makes me have to yell "get outta my way please" which i dont like doing. As a PP said id rather see a kid running around having fun then throwing things on the floor chukin a tantie :)
:iagree:
I can not stand people who stand in the middle of the aisle chatting away with someone they just seen out shopping as well they see you trying to get through but ignore you. I turn into a mini hulk haha it makes me so mad and I make sure they know DP walks off and says don't walk with me your embarrassing :laughing:
Nah I dont let DS do this :no: He walks next to me, a bit behind me or a bit infront of me. If he plays up he gets carried or in the trolley/pram. Also if its really busy I will carry etc.
I got p!ssed at my friend the other day at the shops because she was encouraging him to run around and be silly so I growled at them both and told them to behave :hair:
My son is very well behaved, so I generally dont have to growl at him much while we are out :thumbsup:
BabelFish
09-12-2009, 15:42
I've been run in to numerous times by adults not watching where they are walking.
Me too - but it's not because they're misbehaving, it's just because they're concentrating. Nobody has ever run headlong into me, knocked me over, or caused any damage. It's usually just a knock or a bump and then a very shamefaced `OMG sorry!!!!!'.
Bit different to being pelted over by an unruly six-year-old.
No, I've never let my children run around in the supermarket. They walk properly or they sit in the trolley seat. No other options. Tantrum, and we leave (which is a pain in the neck as the supermarket is 30 minutes from home), but you don't have to do that more than twice with each child.
Part of raising children is teaching to act like civilised beings. Civilised beings don't run wild in the shops, therefore, we don't do that. It isn't something that's up for discussion.
Bit different to being pelted over by an unruly six-year-old.
Well I've never had that happen to me! :p
Ilovemy2munchkins
11-12-2009, 12:07
I understand small kids do sometimes run off and that's fine with me if the parents are aware of this and following closely. However, I think that by the time they are about 8 yrs old they should no longer be doing this. It is simply about being considerate and respectful of other people and kids need to learn that they can't always do what they like because there are consequences to their actions.
It's when I come across adults who don't watch where they are going or stand in the middle of aisles that I get most annoyed! On one occasion, a mum was standing in an aisle with her 2 kids aged around 10 (maybe older).They were bouncing a tennis ball to one another in the middle of the aisle while she stood there next to them looking at something. I entered the aisle and had to say excuse me so that I could get through. They didn't move,so I had to go around them, and they kept playing with the ball. Now THAT is plain rude, selfish and disrespectful towards other shoppers! :no:
BabelFish
11-12-2009, 12:28
This is the reason I can't go food shopping with my mother. She is an intelligent, switched on woman, as soon as she hits the shops. Then she turns into a vague, distant zombie and cannot for the life of her remember that she is not the only person shopping that day. It's quite funny actually, but man, is she different when she's food shopping! She said it's because after doing it for 40 years she's at a point where it's like involuntary self-hypnosis. Lol.
mummabec
11-12-2009, 16:14
Have to say, I've never seen an adult knock anyone else over, or run headlong into them whilst out shopping. I must be going to the wrong places :laughing:
:laughing: I just pictured someone like my mum running full pelt into a stranger at a shop made me nearly wet my pants ROFL
This is the reason I can't go food shopping with my mother. She is an intelligent, switched on woman, as soon as she hits the shops. Then she turns into a vague, distant zombie and cannot for the life of her remember that she is not the only person shopping that day. It's quite funny actually, but man, is she different when she's food shopping! She said it's because after doing it for 40 years she's at a point where it's like involuntary self-hypnosis. Lol.
I actually understand that! seems to happen to me a bit actually! but I haven't got the excuse of 40 years worth of doing it!!
In all seriousness though I used to work in a supermarket attached to a shopping centre and we had heaps of mums come in after school pick up and "drop" there kids off in the toy aisle and then continue with their shopping. Now I'm talking about 7-10 year olds who would open toys up and play with them, bounce balls up and down the aisle etc. SO not cool!!
I remember going shopping with my mum when I was a kid and we knew that if we misbehaved we did not get our treat (that was a can of soft drink or icypole) and everyone else would so I swear we were waaay better behaved in the supermarket than any where else:yes: I hope that my DD and any other kids will be the same!
Harlequin
11-12-2009, 18:21
Re the last few posts, I have to say that adults annoy me one hundred million gazillion times more than kids do in shopping centres.
I can't remember the last time I saw a child run up and down aisles in a shop, I'm sure I have seen it though. I don't let Ava run wild, it's annoying and I don't like her running off away from me when we are out.
Fuchsia!
11-12-2009, 19:28
I've been run in to numerous times by adults not watching where they are walking.
same and i have also been hit my ignorant old people, especially when i was pregnant. I find some old people to be very pushy and purposely rude.
I have had the back of my legs ran up by a trolley from an old lady, she didn't even apologised and gave me a filthy look and kept moving.
When i was pregnant i had alot of old people push past my belly (ok i was huge, but still) just to get to an item.
I haven't really witnessed unruly children running up and down the aisles uncontrollably but if they rammed into me, I guess my reaction would be dependant upon their age. If they were, say, under 6 then I wouldn't think anything of it. I'm a grown woman and I hate grocery shopping so I can understand how much it sucks for them too. If it was an older child, then yes maybe they should know better, but still, they're only kids.
Grocery shopping is an adult activity and we can't really expect them to act like adults.
Unfortunately it's not always an option to leave them at home so they get dragged along. My biggest gripe at my local supermarket is all the boxes in the aisles and the staff constantly packing shelves during peak shopping times just so they don't have to pay staff extra to do it when the shop is shut.
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