Circ death info please!

[Bellini]

Is it possible for someone to point me in the direction of some info on circ deaths and complications which have arisen from RIC?

One of my friends doesn't seem to think babies can die from it, and I need to prove her wrong :p

Thanks!

[Lastcenturymum]

Why don't you google the information you want?

[Fellow Traveler]

Actual accounts of death are sometimes difficult to dig up. In any case, there are some discussed here: http://www.circumstitions.com/death.html

I know there was recently an inquisition completed in the UK over the death of an infant immediately following a ritual circumcision. Story here: http://www.circumstitions.com/news/news34.html#moshe2

They ultimately decided he did not die of circumcision but didn't provide any details. All we know is he was alive and healthy, circumcised, and then rushed to the hospital where he died. No firm reason was ever given.

[Bellini]

Why don't you google the information you want?

I tried but it seems i'm not google-saavy. Plus I thought fellow bubhubbers might have more of an idea on where to look :)

[Bellini]

Actual accounts of death are sometimes difficult to dig up. In any case, there are some discussed here: http://www.circumstitions.com/death.html

I know there was recently an inquisition completed in the UK over the death of an infant immediately following a ritual circumcision. Story here: http://www.circumstitions.com/news/news34.html#moshe2

They ultimately decided he did not die of circumcision but didn't provide any details. All we know is he was alive and healthy, circumcised, and then rushed to the hospital where he died. No firm reason was ever given.

Thanks fellow traveler :thumbsup: Yeah I did have trouble digging up actual accounts, I just assumed it was my poor nagivating skills on the internet

[serendipity22]

There have been 2 circumcision deaths in the USA recently.

one is
http://www.topix.com/drug/tylenol/2009/09/parents-sue-over-circumcision-death

the second one happened shortly after circumcision
but circumcision hasn't been officially blamed.
http://www.circumstitions.com/news/news35.html#bradley

[Opinionated]

Whenever any kind of surgery is performed people can die. Any type of injury that compromises the skin opens a gateway to pathogens that, given the right conditions, can totally overwhelm the body. With surgery, there is also risks from the anesthetic (if it is used:rolleyes:) and with complications from things like bleeding and human error of the health care worker/surgeon.

I think it can be counter productive to point out death as a reason not to circ. Sure, it can happen, but it is probably more likely that someone will be killed in the car on the way. I can feel the eyes of circ supporters rolling when someone mentions death. I think it is more important to point out that it is not their penis to circumcise. Their son may actually prefer not to have his body modified by his parents and as human beings, we all should have the right to choose how we look, not have it chosen for us.

[serendipity22]

There was a death in Queensland in 1993 though
details are sketchy (not everything is on the net).

http://www.cirp.org/library/legal/QLRC/08.html


I think it can be counter productive to point out death as a reason not to circ.
There is some truth in this, but I am just answering Beetlemania's question.


One Australian paediatrician stated that he had seen two infant deaths during circumcision. “That’s rare, but not to the parents of the little kid that died.” The Age 1996


A Western Australian study of four desperately ill
newborns in Australia with bacterial meningitis from
infected circumcision sites reported that two of the
babies recovered, one survived with cerebral palsy and one died. (1977)


Whenever any kind of surgery is performed people can die. Quite correct. One reason why unnecessary surgery on children who cannot consent raises ethical questions.

[JohnC]

On complications:

Sifting through data from the British NHS on hospital circumcisions, 1.2 per cent experienced a complication prior to discharge (usually haemorrhage or infection), with half of those requiring a return to theatre. Anaesthetic complications are not included and don't appear to be trackable.

A further 0.5 per cent returned to theatre in the following six months for surgical revision or correction of meatal stricture.

The missing data are those boys who are treated for a complication after discharge (by emergency, ambulatory clinic or GP) but not readmitted, but this is likely to be at least 1-2%.

Complication rates fall as the age of circumcision rises.

It is likely that non-hospital circs (which are far more common in Australia), have a higher rate of complication but these are impossible to track.

Deaths are almost impossible to track unless the boy actually bleeds to death during admission.

[Maybelline]

newborn babies die or can be brain damaged from infection caused from circ...my dad has researched cases over the past 10 years and its higher then imagined..its newborn most at risk..circ as older child not as dangerous..(sorry dont want to give my dads name)

[Bellini]

Thanks all for the great info :) Better than anything I could have found.

Opinionated, i'm anti circ for the same reasons, but my friend stated "it's harmless and it's not as if they can die from it" :banghead: so I wanted to show her that yes, they actually can.

[Fellow Traveler]

Thanks all for the great info :) Better than anything I could have found.

Opinionated, i'm anti circ for the same reasons, but my friend stated "it's harmless and it's not as if they can die from it" :banghead: so I wanted to show her that yes, they actually can.

It's rare but it certainly can happen. Circumcision, besides a violation, is a risk just not worth taking.

[serendipity22]

There is an article on a village in Russia where the death rate from Jewish circumcision was a whopping 10%.

http://www.cirp.org/news/JTAnews12-06-03/

i found the link on this site
http://www.circinfosite.com/42.html


Ludino, Russia December 6, 2003
This little piece mourns the decline in Judaism in the town of Ludino, Russia. At the very least they openly admit that 10% of their circumcisions resulted in death, instead of trying to attribute it to other "causes," like their shameless counterparts in other parts of the world.

[HelenHasTwins]

Bellini..all I can say is that it is your Friends choice, not yours, you can give her the info, but you can not make that decision for her.

[serendipity22]

You can take a horse to water, but you cannot make them drink.

I would add though, the fairest view is that its the owner of the penis's choice, parents cannot make that choice for them.

[Bellini]

Thanks for the replies, this is an old-ish thread, so I was surprised to see it pop up again.

Bellini..all I can say is that it is your Friends choice, not yours, you can give her the info, but you can not make that decision for her.

My friend doesn't have babies, it was just a debate we were having :) I don't try and make decisions for other people...

[biscotti]

Closed at request of the OP.