Flawless Aug 2009 Babes...#2 [Archive] - Bub Hub Pregnancy & Parenting Forum

kitty galore

22-10-2009, 00:22

Hi Ladies! Hope you all have had a lovely day!

Firstly, lots of positive vibes your way, Pangari, I am sure it will all be fine!

WTK - congrats on the poop Miss Penny Jean!! I reckon it seems when you really start to feel genuinely worried, that the explosion happens.
I don't know of there is a connection with the vax or not - Finn's poop routine started to change prior to his vax - I reckon it is an age thing - perhaps at the 8 week mark their digestive system changes...?? Finn suddenly went from literally poop at every nappy change, to then nothing for over a week, then it has been another week, now 4 days apart...

pms - i reckon our bodies maybe still 'think' there is a menstrual cycle (if that makes sense??) about 3/4 weeks after having Finn, I had a bit of pink tinge when i wiped, and i was feeling very pms-y (bit crampy, skin yukky, crazier than normal post baby crazy), and this has happened again another 4 ish weeks later. so do you reckon it might be that although we don't have a bleed as such, our bodies might still go through the rest? we still ovulate when we b/feed right? is that a dumb question? damn, i don't know!!

afm - I went to work today! was stressful in the morning here - DH thought he would do the right thing and let me sleep in as long as possible, trouble is he got me up 5 mins before he left (he tries, bless his cotton socks), both kids woke up, so i had to quickly jump in shower before DH left for work.
I managed to feed Finn, get Amelie her breaky, get myself looking semi human, then my MIL was here to babysit Finn. ran through the list with MIL, got Amelie to daycare, and got to work by 8.40 - not too bad!!
i stayed at work until about 3 ish, the session went well. i didn't get a chance to express, so my boobs were a bit owies, but not too bad.

so all in all, work went well - i spoke with my boss and i might go back one day a week after chrissy....there is alot going on at work, and it would be in my interest to still stay involved somehow with work. i'll see though...

night all!

MamaKoala

22-10-2009, 08:42

:wave:Ladies,

I'm from the Sept Birth group. I'm hosting a secret Santa for the lovely mum's in Jul-Sept groups if anyone would like to participate. I have set up a thread here (http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=296088)if you'd like to put your name in.:)

Californication

22-10-2009, 10:12

Pangari - :hugs::hugs::hugs: How are you guys going? I too am sending fatty lump vibes your way. When is the CT scan? Hope it's soon. How was your mum's group? Hope you enjoyed it.

Sim - How's Mason? All OK from his shots?

WTK - Go Miss Penny :yelclap:

Whitey - How is Angus today? And how did you go at chiro? Hope you feel HEAPS better!

Myprincessamelie - I think we must ovulate....some people have gotten pregnant before AF comes back?? Glad you had a good day at work!

AFM - Had mum's group again yesterday, so that was nice. Glad to be having a day at home today though! We've had appointments all week!!! My 6 week checkup yesterday went well. Dr is happy with everything so got the all clear :)

My little boy has been repeating his 10:30pm-5am sleep, then a play while I express then top-up and sleep. Yesterday he didn't wake up again until just after 11! Today he slept until 6am, so did the usual (plus changing a smelly nappy!) and put him back to bed. I just had breakky and am about to go back to bed myself!

Catch you all later :)

Whitey78

22-10-2009, 10:25

Pangari thinking of you luv! Really hoping it is nothing serious and thank god you got it checked out and found it now.

Mimmi - wanna swap???? Angus is a terror! I want your baby!

MPA - you're a champion going back to work! I just found three messages on my phone wanting me to do some work ... yesterday - woopsy! No way I could have done it anyway. We have no mobile phone service here hence the lateness.

AFM - after Angus screamed from 3pm - 9pm last night I convinced myself something was wrong and so I'm taking him to the doc today. I pretty much know what he'll say - its colic and just wait until he's 3months old. The only thing is people have started asking what if he gets to 3months and he's still the same ... I am now not eating any dairy (bloody hard!) but then I read somewhere I also shouldn't eat broccoli, apples, oranges, beans, peas, tomatoes .... the extensive list went on to the point where I couldn't see what I actually could eat!

OK there he is again gotta go

Brood Mare

22-10-2009, 10:36

Mimmi - wanna swap???? Angus is a terror! I want your baby!

Trust me, the boy can be just as much as a terror, last night was the best i had seen him, since week 2.

Nadine25

22-10-2009, 13:28

Pangari- Huge :hugs: sweety! I hope evrything is ok. When is the scan?

Whitey- How did you go at the dr's? I hope everything is ok with Angus.

Proud mummy moment coming up! Mia did her first giggle/laugh yesterday at 9wks 1day old. It was soooo adorable. She is ticklish under her collarbone, hehe.

JimJamsMum

22-10-2009, 14:48

Hi All, I haven't been on the last few days and when I come back it seems all you've been talking about is poo :D Ahhh, motherhood. To add my two cents, Daniel poos either on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday which means he goes only every 5-9 days. I always know it's coming by all the smelly farts the day before. Gross! It always amazes me how little poo there actually is on poo-day. DS1 used to poo the same amount but at every nappy change. I guess everyone's just different. By the way, a bit of warm oil massaged into the belly can bring some relief if bub is uncomfortable. Just start at the lower right hand side, then up, across and down. It works wonders on adults too.

Pangari - good luck with the CT scan. I hope it all turns out okay. :goodvibes:

Re ovulation: not everyone ovulates when they are BF. If you're not getting AF then you're not ovulating but obviously you ovulate before AF comes so better to be safe than sorry. My friend is a paed and she was looking after a baby born at 27 weeks. This baby was conceived when it's sibling was only four weeks old so they are about 7 months apart. Crazy hey. I didn't actually ovulate until I had weaned DS1 completely. I'm hoping the same thing happens this time around :fingerscrossed:

MPA - What on earth are you doing back at work you crazy thing :laughing: Like others have said, I'm in awe that you can actually do your job, I can't even remember what I did on the weekend.

I have started doing some regular exercise. To start with I am doing 30min three times a week, either running, cycling or swimming. Today I went for a swim. It gives me a great excuse to get out of the house on my own and I'm already feeling really full of energy. I'm actually hoping to do a triathlon next year but I have a long way to go before I'm ready for that.

Lots of sleepy vibes to all the bubs so all the mummies get a good night's rest :sleeping:

MiracleMum21

22-10-2009, 15:51

No.. it can happen anytime, doesn't matter if your breastfeeding... I got my first period almost 2 weeks ago...

Thankgod it wasnt her....

i reckon our bodies maybe still 'think' there is a menstrual cycle (if that makes sense??)

I think thats what it mayve been....still, OUCH!
I was doubled over in pain from it....

sim081005

22-10-2009, 16:04

myprincessamelie Not sure if you feel the same but I am loving doing work again. Yes for all those out there I have been working for the last 2 or 3 weeks. Just a few hours here & there but I begged for some work to keep me sane!!! Not sure how you went without expressing though!!!

ClareN William is a good little man to give you so much sleep & good to hear that everything went well at the 6 week check up

Whitey78 I am so sorry that Angus is still unsettled. Not sure if it helps but Mason still has those days but not as much now. Have you thought about whether or not Angus may have food allergies? It just sounds so much like Mason. I am keeping everything crossed for you that he & you are feeling much better very soon

Nadine25 How cute. DH wants Mason to have a ticklish spot but so far there are none

JimJamsMum not sure if you noticed, but I started an exercise thread for us all to motivate & support each other. Also good on you for the triathalon. I think walking for an hour is a huge effort

Pangari sending fatty lumps vibes too

AFM Well Mason was still grumpy yesterday & very vocal about it. He still had a bit of a temp as well. He also had a huge poo in the night which DH changed & then 2 more during the day while I was feeding which ended up everywhere even in his hair so we had a shower. He woke 4 times during the night last night which is not like him at all but I am putting it down to the needles.

So that was yesterday. Today I had my check up re my wound & it is sealed but still very thin so I need to keep an eye on it. I can start trying again in April if I want but I don't know about that. I also asked about if I can try for a nature birth next time as I am so scared of this happening again & I have been told that they will try everything for me to have a natural as the infection will happen again if I have a c/s. The down side is if I do end up with a c/s, there is nothing they can do re c/s to help prevent the infection:( The other thing I need to watch with the next is that the scar doesn't open up towards the end as there are weak points in it due to the damage the infection did :cool:

Anyway I finished off my day out by going to my mums work the kindergarten & let the kids see Mason. Well Mason LOVED it!!! He loved all the kids & giggled & smiled the whole time but he is revolting now so I am going to take him from DH & put him in the shower

M2J

22-10-2009, 16:48

We had our 8 week check up today and Jasmine had put on 500g in 2 weeks-she's working hard st getting less tiny, she's now 4.5kg.
We're still having major issues with sleeping during the day, but she usually sleeps quite well at night. Have been trying to find a routine that works for us to see if that helps, but yet to find one.
I have great respect for those of you back at work. I'm missing the social side of work, but the actual work, not so much!
Pangari, hope evrything is fine on your scan.
Hope everyone has a good night!:)

firsttimeparents

22-10-2009, 19:35

Pangari - Sending big :hugs: your way, my thoughts are with you. Try and stay positive sweety!!

Whitey-Maybe Angus has reflux, Bailey was also displaying this behaviour and has started to settle down since being on Zantac for reflux, maybe ask your GP.

MPA- I don't no how you have the time to work but you go girl.I also miss the social interaction of work :( am looking forward to going back but not just yet.

I am thinking that Bailey may have an allergy to dairy or egg - any body elses little one have an allergy? If so what were your symptoms?

I started mums and bubs pilates today and it was great, really enjoyed myself and Bailey slept through it (in the arms of the instructor) :smiliedance:
I am really looking forward to getting back to netball soon too-yay!!!

Anyways heres hoping everyone has a good night.

Sorry if I have missed anyone I am going down stairs to enjoy a glass of wine with DH.

:flowerz::flowerz::flowerz:

Californication

22-10-2009, 19:46

Whitey - How did you get on at the Docs? Hope Angus has been happier today, poor little man.

Nadine - How cute! It's funny to see them squirm with the tickles - William has ticklish feet like his mum.

JimJamsMum - Good on you for the exercise! Now I have the all-clear, I need to start doing more and more to get fit. Good luck with your marathon preparation. I'm sure you'll do well :)

Sim - Glad you are enjoying doing a bit of work. I don't miss my job, but do miss working in general. I've been checking out the job adds every week - not sure why as I don't really want to go back to work anytime soon! But if something fabulous came up, I might consider applying. I don't want to go back to my old job though. I can't do that part-time and am not interested in full-time. It's also too many hours (sometimes 10 a day!) as is too much work for one person, too stressfull and not worth it as the pay sucks for what's involved!!

Hope Mason has been happier (and less poo-ey!) today. William has been a bit grumpy the last 2 afternoons. I think he is overtired from all our excursions this week.

Good news that you are healing and have been given the OK to have No 2. Not good that you are looking at another infection if you have to have a c-section or the idea that your wound could open up! As if pregnancy isn't hard enough at the end!!

M2J - Go Jasmine! That's a great weight gain!

Sweet dreams to all the babies out there, and to the mummies!

sim081005

22-10-2009, 20:15

Firsttimeparents Mason suffers from allergies and his are caffine, colours, too much sugars & too much dairy. Not sure if he is allergic to eggs as I am & therefore not willing to test him. His reaction to caffine is a mirgraine & the runs, he gets the runs, windy & sore tummy from too much dairy. To test the dairy, cut it out of your diet completely for a week. If he gets better, try & add it back, if he gets worse then it is the dairy

Pangari

22-10-2009, 21:49

hi ladies,

Thanks for all your good wishes. The CT scan was today with the results tomorrow. Best case scenario it is an angiomyolipoma (benign tumour) which is really not that fabulous either as it can cause me to bleed internally if it grows, worst case scenario it is cancer/malignant tumour. (WARNING: yucky pics on this site http://www.urologyassociates.com.au/kidney-cancer/). I am focusing on the fact that the mass on my kidney is only very small.

Add to that the fact that my gorgeous little baby has got his first cold and conjunctivitis, I am feeling particularly depressed. I couldn't figure out what was wrong last night as Casper was just really snuggly and just seemed low in energy compared to his normal self. I spent an hour cuddling him last night around 2am and then ended up bringing him to bed as I just knew something wasn't right but couldn't put my finger on it. Then this morning, he woke up with a snuffly nose and goop in the corner of his eye. As the day went on his first eye ended up completely glued shut by the goop and the 2nd eye has now got the infection in it.

I went to the Maternal health nurse today for his fortnightly check up and she told me to clean it by bathing it with breast milk and wiping the goop from his eye using a cotton ball. It is looking slightly better but it just kills me seeing him so poorly. The good news is that he had another great weight gain this fortnight so he is still doing really well despite this setback. I think it is harder for me to see him like this than it is on him as he is still giving me smiles and giggles through his half glued shut eyes.

My mother's group was lovely. There were probably about 10 mums and bubs and one father. One of the girls was at Masada the same time as me and had the same obstetrician and lives just a few streets away. There was also 3 other big boy babies, which we called the big boy bruisers. It seems like a good group and I really enjoyed it.

Whitey: I read to Casper by putting him on my lap with his back to my chest so that he is facing the book and I just read it to him. My maternal health nurse told me to read the same book daily for a couple of weeks before changing to another book. She also said to pick really simple books with a rhyme or rhythm to the words.

Anyway, MUST go to bed now as my little boy will be needing me again before too long.

Thanks again for all your support. Big hugs to all...I wanted to do more personals but am struggling to stay awake!

TripleTime

23-10-2009, 06:38

Fee - Be very careful with Caspers eye, conjunctivitis is extreamly contagious. If its not clear by monday id take him to the GP for some antibiotics.

SalTheGal

23-10-2009, 08:29

Sparkly New thread ladies!! :flowerz:

JimJamsMum

23-10-2009, 08:38

JimJamsMum not sure if you noticed, but I started an exercise thread for us all to motivate & support each other. Also good on you for the triathalon. I think walking for an hour is a huge effort

I did indeed notice. I'll get on over there are say hi. Thanks.

JimJamsMum - Good on you for the exercise! Now I have the all-clear, I need to start doing more and more to get fit. Good luck with your marathon preparation. I'm sure you'll do well :)

Haha, not a marathon. Maybe I'll get to it one day. If I can manage a triathlon next year I'll be happy. We'll see.

hi ladies,

Thanks for all your good wishes. The CT scan was today with the results tomorrow.

Good luck Pangari. I can imagine that you are feeling a bit anxious this morning.

I hope Casper's conjunctivitis clear up, it sucks. It's amazing how much more resilient babies are than us adults. I agree with TT that you should see a doc if it doesn't clear up soon because it can get more nasty.

Off to my mum's group. Have a great day everyone

Brood Mare

23-10-2009, 09:02

Yaaaay New thread time!!

I think Keiran has gone back to being the poopiest boy in the land!
2 major poopy nappies yesterday, today was EXPLOSION nappy. Up his back, down his legs, all over his clothes, and boy did it smell! And he did it all in a space of 30mins after changing him in the morning. He obviously has his daddies bum!

M2J

23-10-2009, 12:46

Brood Mare

23-10-2009, 13:24

Heh heh Mimmi, we had a poop like that this morning as well. Jasmine managed to explode poop all the way onto her arms! So glad she seems to time the explosions for when her dad is changing her nappy!

My Dh has managed to avoid the nasty ones thus far. Lucky bugger!

I am bringing my Camera and possibly my video camera on Sunday girls for our Melbourne Meet.
I have a few nice ideas on what to do for photos.
For example.

A picture with all our babies maybe lying side by side on a blanket.
Then another with the mothers holding on to their babies together side by side.
Then one of each set of parents (or just mummy) with their little baby. Family shots so to speak.
I have a small memory card on my camera however and can only take a handful of shots, so I am going to try and make them count!
Then afterwards, I can send them all out to you :)

WTK

23-10-2009, 14:00

Afternoon ladies

Watching the news last nite, Monash freeway is closed this weekend. They are transporting some turbine thing so unfortunately I won't be able to make the meet on Sunday. That's what you get for living in the armpit of the Peninsula. I'm glad you're taking your camera Mimmi, you can post what I will miss out on. I wll hopefully be at our next one, so sorry ladies :(

Pangari - I hope you have had good news today, I've been thinking of you all morning.

Mimmi and M2J we had a follow up poo today from Tuesday nite's effort. There's nothing more satisfying than watching your child give you the 'poo face'. Miss Penny is such a happier baby after a motion.

:hugs: everyone

Whitey78

23-10-2009, 14:10

Just a quickie:

took Angus to doc and yes it is colic and NO there is nothing I can do about it except wait it out ... might still have another 5 weeks of it left - arrrrrggggghhhh. I just got really annoyed at people telling me it wasn't normal and that babies cry for a reason that I finally convincved myself that maybe there was something wrong.

Anyway I am trying to eliminate dairy, soy and wheat from my diet for a week ... much tougher than I thought it would be! Really only leaves meat, fruit and veg, but will make a concerted effort to stick to it for a week to see if it makes a diff.

I have also ruled out reflux, had Angus on Mylanta for a few days and if anything he was worse for being off his herbal colic mix.

SO you guys will have to put up with me venting about our screaming baby for another few weeks!

Hope you're all going well

sim081005

23-10-2009, 17:29

Mimmi I am bringing my camera too & it has heaps of room on it so feel free to borrow when your runs out!!!

WTK what a buggar that you can't make it!!! Fingers crossed the next one yourself, Pangari, Whitey & Purplesky can come too

Whitey I think Angus is normal as that means that Mason is normal. I will say that his screaming fits are getting further apart & easier to settle him as well. The children's informed me when I was in there that there is no such thing as colic or reflux in babies as there has been research done it has showed no such thing but it has shown the cries to be caused by food allergies & normal spectrum infant irritability. I don't fully agree with this as a lot of other mothers. The normal spectrum infant irritability is when you have a bright child & they go through a period where their brains go a little hay wire causing them to cry & wince in pain. Not sure if this is true or not but it is written on Mason's discharge notes as having this & food allergies. So I figure I am going with I have a bright child.

Well I am off to do something about dinner. Not sure what as I forgot to take something out. Oops

Californication

23-10-2009, 18:40

Pangari - Been thinking of you all day. Hopefully no news is good news.

JJM - Marathon, triathalon.....all the same to me! Yes, I know they are in fact very different, but it's still more exercise in one day than I would do in a week! You have my admiration :)

Whitey - Vent away. William has had a couple of crying fits this week and it is upsetting to see them like that. I can't imagine going through it all the time, so you (and Sim) also have my admiration.

Pangari

23-10-2009, 20:09

Thanks again ladies...your thoughts and vibes and words of support all helped and we have some good-ish news. It is not malignant...so not cancer!!!! They confirmed that it is the angiomyolimpo though and I will have to be closely monitored as it can grow and cause issues such as the internal bleeding, so I am off to a kidney specialist and will have to have regular CT scans. It is such a relief to know that it is not cancer though. Incredible the thoughts that pass through your mind when the 'c' word is raised when you have a baby to think about but now I shall put those thoughts out of my mind and just focus on getting well and healthy for me and my little baby!

The other good news is that the breast milk has been amazing! After applying breast milk every few hours last night, Casper woke up with no more crustiness around his eyes and no more green goop coming out. Over the day his eyes have got better and better and the puffiness and redness has almost completely gone. He has also been much chirpier today and is getting back to his former self. Throughout it all he has still been giving me so many gorgeous smiles even when his eyes were almost completely stuck shut. He was much braver than his mummy who just felt like the crapest mummy ever! His sniffles and snuffly nose cleared up too, so it seems he is on the mend.

Oh and Casper has joined the exploding poo brigade! He didn't poop for about 24 hours which I think was part of his cold and was very unusual as he has been pooping with each nappy for his entire short life nearly! Then this morning he let out a really forceful, really loud fart that had follow through. It went straight through the nappy, through his pjs, and right through his blanket! He then did 3 more enormous poops today that went through nappies and clothes! I think that has also helped him feel better!

So enough about me...

Whitey: You are well over halfway through the "colic" period with Angus! Things should gradually start to improve for him by the sound of things and therefore you! I think you did the right thing by going to the doc though cause now you know that all those self proclaimed baby experts are up the pole and Angus is simply going through this difficult time. You are doing everything right and he is lucky to have such a wonderful mummy and good on you for trying the elimination diet for him. Hope it helps for both your sakes.

So wishing I could be with all the other Melb girls this weekend but hopefully I can make it to the next one. Can't wait to see the photos! Have fun.

Now must go to bed. I am really tired after all the emotional turmoil of the past couple of days!

Good night all and good night sweet babies!!!

Californication

23-10-2009, 20:57

thanks again ladies...your thoughts and vibes and words of support all helped and we have some good-ish news. It is not malignant...so not cancer!!!!

phew! :)

MiracleMum21

24-10-2009, 11:04

Thanks again ladies...your thoughts and vibes and words of support all helped and we have some good-ish news. It is not malignant...so not cancer!!!!

Thank God!!! Im so glad its not cancer!!! :yelclap::thumbsup:
I hope they can control it or remove it for you so it doesnt cause issues in the future! :hugs:

Whitey78

24-10-2009, 12:27

Pangari - YAY!!! I am soo happy to hear the good news.

Just grabbed a quick minute (ANgus is being v high maintenance today and will hardly sleep outside of my arms) to tell you all I have finally found something that works!!
I got the Sounds For Silence CD and played that last night during Angus' screaming time BUT rather than screaming, all he did was grizzle a bit and let out a few cries, but nothing like we have had! I was amazed. It still took us a couple of hours to get him to go to sleep but was a much better evening for me and DH - we could actually have a conversation! I have tried lots of other music and sounds to distract him but so far nothing has worked like this. I HIGHLY recommend it to any of you others who are having the evening hell hours.

OK better go. Have a great day tomorrow Melb girls!

Susan070809

24-10-2009, 20:28

Hi everyone..I was pretty active in the birth forums but havent managed to get on to this thread - as much as I have wanted to :)

My little man Roman is 3 months old next week - I just cant believe it. He is developing such a gorgeous character now....

He's definitely a very peaceful baby and happy to sit infront of the TV for a good hour or so and have a conversation with the characters :) Our days are currently consisting of ALOT more playtime, which I am really enjoying, it just means less time to get anything done around the house :) Someone had previosuly mentioned reading to bubs....well I have been doing this since birth and can honestly say it works! We have stuck with the three 'Peakaboo' books which you have to open a flap and say PEAKABOO! If you ask him now - "where's your peakaboo books?" he starts flapping his arms and legs and smiling from ear to ear. I have him in his bouncer and hold the book up infront of him and read aloud animatedly..he has now begun oooh'ing and ahhh'ing as I read and point to the words.....Trust me girls, you might not think they are paying attention - but they so are!

In terms of poops, Romy is formula fed - so he has been getting little constipated. To fix this, I put a little extra water in his formula or give him some cool boiled water out of another bottle..within an hour or so, he generally poops....;)

Pangari - so glad that your results have come back non cancerous - Great News!

Quick question for you all - what skincare/bath products are you all using? Would you recommend them?

Well ladies, hoping to stay in touch now and get online more often....I generally catch up on all your posts from my blackberry at 4am whilst feeding! :)

If anyones up to arranging a Sydney get together, please let me know :)

Cheers,
Sue

Leanda

25-10-2009, 15:30

Oh Pangari, I'm soo glad to hear your news!! *biggest hugs*. I know the results don't mean completely plain sailing for you but I'm so relieved it's not malignant.

Well, my two girls are both sleeping, DH arrives back from Melbourne in 2 hours, so guess what I'm doing .... sorting out receipts! Fun job huh? *lol* "If you had a magical 30 mins to yourself, what would you do ...." I'm guessing sorting receipts would not be it! It's just one of those things I keep on meaning to do as my filing drawer is too full and I didn't purge it at the end of the financial year. So, I'm in the study with the aircon on and some good kiwi music playin :)

Amber continues to sleep well at night, though she had a early bottle last night and slept from 7pm till 4:30am. I couldn't complain about the early wakeup seeing as she'd slept so long anyway. With hubby away, I grabbed her and brought her back to bed with me. It was so wonderful to feed laying down and nap together till we eventually surfaced at 8am. I can understand why some mums prefer it!

I had to don my work gear on Friday and go and fix an email problem for a customer because DH was away. It was great fun but I was glad to be home for the next feed too. I've also been asked by MYOB to write another couple of articles for their small business website on being a work at home mum. It's not a paid contribution but gets labelled with our franchise name so all good publicity.

Susan, great to see you back again! Roman is such a gorgeous name ... why do I immediately see the daytime soap character? *lol* I too am usually checking in on the forum from my mobile phone whilst bub is feeding!

As for products, I was given a gift basket by a lady in my business coaching group that makes products under the name of Carmaje ... pure organic ingredients that are just gorgeous with none of the chemical nasties. The 'head shoulders knees and toes' baby wash is wonderful as is the baby moisturiser and they also do a bottom balm.

Hope everyone has had a great weekend .. or at least found moments of greatness in it.

Californication

25-10-2009, 16:07

Hope all you Melb Mums are enjoying your get-together. My outing for the day was to casualty!! When I was washing my scar, I noticed the middle felt lumpy. Had a look and there was a 50 cent piece sized red patch. Rang the hospital and got told to come in. Turns out it is just a fungal infection. Glad I called them though as it was already bigger by the time I got home with the cream the Dr told me to get. Should be gone in 2 days, but I hope the itching goes before then!!

WTK

25-10-2009, 16:11

Pangari, phew! You must have so many mixed emotions, one I bet is relief. :hugs: to you babe

Hanging to see pics of today's meet ....

WTK

25-10-2009, 16:13

:eek: ClareN scary stuff. Thank god for magic creams eh?

Californication

25-10-2009, 16:21

:eek: ClareN scary stuff. Thank god for magic creams eh?

Yep. Only been an hour, but it is starting to feel less itchy and hot already.

Brood Mare

25-10-2009, 17:37

Well today's Melbourne meet up went really well!

Here are the photos I managed to get today

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First things First - Keiran with Daddy

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Sim and her little family

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A not so happy Mason :D

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A content Mason

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And little Bailey

Sim has alot nicer pictures, I'll let her post them when she is ready!

sim081005

25-10-2009, 18:00

Afternoon ladies

Pangari I am so glad the news was much better than it could have been

ClareN not good about the c/section scared

Well I had a ball today with the Melbourne mummy & daddies!!! Click here to see some pics http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=120768&id=699354680&l=7186b64252

Pangari

25-10-2009, 19:35

Hi wonderful mums and bubs,

Hope you are all having a cruisy, peaceful evening!

Leanda: I am sooooo impressed with you being back at work and all you other mums who have gone back. I just couldn't even contemplate it and don't even know if I would want to even if I could. I am, however, thinking about doing a Masters degree but the deadline for the application is the 30th of October and I am struggling to get my application in. The other problem would be figuring out childcare. Casper would only be 6 months when I would have to start and the thought of even leaving him for a few hours every day is hard to stomach at the moment.

ClareN: OMG...can't believe you are having an issue with your c/s scar this far from the surgery. Scary. Glad that the cream is working already!

Susan: Good to see you back online with us! There are two bath products that I just love. One is the Hamilton's Bath Oil, it is the only thing I use in Casper's bath and it means that his skin is lovely and moisturised and soft. The other is Paw Paw Ointment (Papaya Ointment). I just love it. It has so many uses. I used it on his face when he had baby pimples and they cleared up really quickly, I use it on his bot to stop nappy rash, I put it on my c/s scar to help heal it, I even used it on rough patches on my heels! The best thing about it is that it feels lovely and smells good too!

So loving the Melb gathering photos. Mimmi - Keiran is so like his daddy! I love the photo of the 3 boys on the blanket. SOooooooo cute! Can't wait for the next get together.

AFM: For those of you who remember the saga with my cat Snickers, I am so happy to say that he is finally back home with us...and he is behaving himself. He has taken to running to Casper's room every time he hears him crying and howling at the cot so that we know he needs attending to! It is very cute. I also have a lovely photo that I will have to share soon of Casper sleeping in my dad's arms and Snickers sitting on his lap too and resting his head on Casper's bum! I am so glad he is back and that he has calmed down. Despite what the vet said, we know he will be fine with Casper and that they will end up being best of mates.

Casper is much better again. His cold is almost gone and his conjuncivitis is gone too. Only bummer is that after he sneezed all over me one night during a burping session, I have ended up getting his darn cold. I feel like crap. Glands are swollen, throat is killing me and my head is throbbing. I am gargling salt water, sucking on panadol and just generally feeling sorry for myself.

Pangari

25-10-2009, 19:42

JimJamsMum

26-10-2009, 06:32

Oh grr, stupid computer froze up just after I finished typing my post. So here we go again...

Pangari- that's great that you got the best possible news from your scan. Good luck with the kidney specialist. Also great news that snickers has moved back in. Hopefully he'll settle and your little family will be back together again :) I hope your cold clears up quickly, it's so much harder being sick when you're a mum.

Sim and Mimmi thanks for posting the pics. Mimmi, there's no doubt who Keiran's daddy is :)

Susan - welcome back. I agree with reading to bubs. I often have Daniel on my lap when I'm reading to DS1 and they both love it.

It's raining today and DH has taken the car to work so it looks like I'm inside with the boys all day. Joy! I hope you all have a great day.

Whitey78

26-10-2009, 07:35

morning everyone!
Mimmi & Sim - cool pictures from yesterday! Thanks for sharing them, I really must try to make the next one.

Pangari - great news about Snickers! I am such a pet person and I would be distraught if my dog and cat had to leave home, so I know you must be feeling so much happier.

Clare - hope the miracle cream is still working its magic, I also can't believe you are having trouble with your scar this far out.

JJM - have nice inside day ... hope the cabin fever doesn't get too bad for you all

Leanda - you are superwoman to be back at work! I had a visit from a client on the weekend and while I was interested in how things were going on their farm I just couldn't engage my brain enough to really take it in and I could not imagine going back any time soon. I am lucky we can afford for me to be SAHM for a while.

AFM well I just managed to re-settle Angus in his cot for the first time! OK so it did take me 30mins and my back and shoulders hurt from leaning over the cot BUT at least I didn't pick him up. The usual routine up until this point has been feed - play - sleep for 45mins - wake up - try to resettle - give up and pick him up ... maybe go back to sleep ... maybe resort to walking around the garden with the pram to pass some more time until next feed.
So as you can see a big break through BUT I'm not sure if I have the patience or the strength to do the 30min resettle every morning, as much as I know I should.

I am also still on the no dairy no wheat diet ... bloody hard when visitors drop by with a lasagne and cake! Oh I LOVE lasagne! Instead was chicken and salad for me last night. Just finished munching on some rice crackers - they just don't cut it! However Angus did have an unsettle period around 4pm yesterday but then went to sleep easily after his feed at 6:30pm, so I am persisting for a little bit longer to see if it really has made a difference.

OK mammoth post - sorry girls. Have a good day everyone!

Brood Mare

26-10-2009, 09:20

quick question, can babies get hay fever? if so whats the main symptoms, is it the same as adults?

Keiran's been sneezing all morning!

Nadine25

26-10-2009, 09:59

Hi Ladies,

Pangari- That is fantastic news that it isn't cancer :hugs: Hope you feel better soon too.

Sue- Welcome back :) I am organising a Sydney meet. It is a seperate thread in the July-September mummies section. So go and have a looksie and let me know in there what location you prefer and what days you can't do :)

Whitey- Hopefully the elimination diet is working for little Angus. It's so hard seeing them in pain :( Hopefully it won't be too much longer and you will be able to introduce them again. And good boy for re-settling in his cot :)

AFM- Mia is asleep in her cot atm. She has been having her day sleeps in her swing but she wasn't settling in it this morning so I tried out the cot and she fell asleep! I only went in 3 times to put in the dummy. After about 1hr I saw her awake in there but she resettled herself and went back to sleep. YAY! Hopefully it's the start of cot sleeping. Once she sleeps in it fine during the day we will move her into it at night aswell.

My feeding issues- Well I am not sure if you all remember my issues but we are now down to ONLY bottle feeding during the day and breastfeeding at night. She will NOT breastfeed in the day. I am not sure why. I have tried quiet rooms, laying with her in our bed, wrapped/unwrapped, etc etc but nothing works. I contacted ABA and a lady sent me through a heap of information. Sadly the things I could do I have already tried (suggested by friends) and the other things are just not possible when you have another child to look after (well not for me anyway). So then I emailed a lactation consultant to ask her why she thinks Mia doesn't feed in the day and I got a response saying that she doesn't answer questions via email anymore due to demand and that a telephone consult is available for $1.50/minute or a consult in person is $130!

Everything is all about bloody money these days!!!!! What happened to genuinely HELPING people :(

Anyway so while I am on the hunt of how to make Mia breastfeed in the day, my supply is slowly dropping. I had a prescription of Motilliun but have been told it is linked to cancer so I am reluctant to take it now (I only took it for 4 days). So I am drinking activite which is meant to be good for supply and I need to get some fenugreek.

ETA: Mimmi- I am not sure if babies can get hayfever. Mia sneezes alot too but I think it's just their way of clearing their nose....

kobesmum

26-10-2009, 11:52

Hi ladies :wave:

I can't believe how fast time flies! Kobe is 12 weeks old today. It feels like only yesterday that I was holding a tiny bub in my arms and feeling totally overwhelmed. But on the other hand I can't imagine life without him :)

Nadine25: I hear you with the cot sleeping during the day - I've been trying to get Kobe to resettle in his cot but invariably I've ended up getting him out as I'm sick of bending over the cot (sore back too!) and I know he won't settle anyway. The most I've spent resettling is about an hour (crazy I know) and he still wouldn't go back to sleep. He ended up being overtired and spent the early evening screaming, so I've abandoned prolonged resettling for now. I bought a swing yesterday and he loves it! He had a short nap in it this morning, but again wouldn't resettle in it - it probably doesn't help that I forgot to buy batteries so I had to keep rocking it for him!! But at least my arms are free for a little while. He's now finishing his sleep on my lap but it's nice to have a cuddle :yes:

Pangari: Thank goodness it's not cancer, what a scare it must've been for you and your family. Let's hope the docs can sort it out for you soon :hugs:

Mimmi and Sim: Great pics from your meet - very jealous that I'm all the way over in Adelaide!! The bub pics were gorgeous too. Thanks for sharing them.

Mimmi: Not sure about the hayfever, however I have seen children's antihistamines advertised. I took Kobe outside today while I hung up the washing and the first thing he did was sneeze! I'm bad with hayfever/allergies so I'm a bit worried about him.

Susan: My favourite products are Gaia - they smell so nice and don't affect Kobe's skin. When he had some cradle cap on his eyebrows last week I put some J&J sorbelene on there and his skin reacted almost immediately - bright red and looked nasty. When my CHN visited for his 2 week checkup she recommended that I avoid the J&J products coz so many kids have reactions - shoulda listened to her!! So I'm going to make sure anything I put on his skin is natural from now on.

AFM: Kobe has kinda maintained his long night time sleeps, with a few exceptions... After his 6 hour sleep he reverted to four hours the next night and 3 the one after that, but since then (about five nights in a row) he's managed either five or six hours each night :smiliedance: Woo hoo!! It means that I'm feeling much more energetic and so I've started exercising in earnest again YAY!! And its SOO good to feel human again :yelclap: Let's hope he keeps it up...

Hope everyone has a great day

Brood Mare

26-10-2009, 12:07

Mimmi: Not sure about the hayfever, however I have seen children's antihistamines advertised. I took Kobe outside today while I hung up the washing and the first thing he did was sneeze! I'm bad with hayfever/allergies so I'm a bit worried about him.

Totally with you on that. I suffer with hayfever as well, and my hayfever (especially when it's bad) causes my asthma to flare up. I don't want to wake up to hear Keiran weezing like crazy. Sadly though that's the only way to find out your infant has asthma..

kobesmum

26-10-2009, 12:34

Totally with you on that. I suffer with hayfever as well, and my hayfever (especially when it's bad) causes my asthma to flare up. I don't want to wake up to hear Keiran weezing like crazy. Sadly though that's the only way to find out your infant has asthma..

Its my biggest fear Mimmi - I have asthma too and it was severe when I was a child, to the point where I spent most of the first four years of my life in hospital :no: I'm terrified Kobe will be the same. My only hope is that since he doesn't have eczema (yet anyway) then maybe he'll be ok. I had terrible eczema from very early days and its apparently an indicator of future allergies/asthma. My paed said all children have a 40% chance of developing asthma, and the percentage only goes up to 50% if a parent is asthmatic, so fingers crossed for both our bubs :fingerscrossed:

Nadine25

26-10-2009, 13:37

kobesmum- Mia always sneezes when she first goes outside. It's the sunlight that causes them to do that. My DD#1 was the same :) I had to laugh that you forgot the batteries. I did the same thing when we got ours. I expected them to supply some but nope. So hubby had to go out again and buy some, hehe. Swings are great though!

Brood Mare

26-10-2009, 15:38

Well for some insane reason, I thought I'd attend my last Mother's group with the Ringwood Mums.
We had a new mum apparently, and she also lives up the road from me, and she too, didn't seem to like the idea of walking home together. I saw her not even 5mins behind, she took a look at me and pulled out her mobile. Sheesh.. I must of had coodies.
Thank goodness it was the last day!

Besides the parental bullcrap. The babies are so much bigger now, and the 2 eldest in the group, a girl (Sienna-Rose) and a boy (Connor) were smitten with each other, Connor did nothing but want to hold her hand, and stared at her through out the day, and when Sienna looked at the other baby laying next to her Connor grunted and kicked everywhere. So needless to say everyone was talking about a possible marriage in the future..
It made me smile none the less.

Pangari

26-10-2009, 17:30

Mimmi: Casper had terrible sneezes a few days before he got his cold, so perhaps it is just a cold on the way and not allergies or hayfever? He also became very snuffly in the nose and sounded like he had a rasp in his throat. Apparently a lot of babies are getting colds at the moment cause of the changeable weather. Not that a cold is much fun for you or bubs but better than an ongoing allergy. Hopefully he will feel better soon.

AFM: Well even though I felt pre-menstrual the other week, no period came, so I guess it hasn't returned yet. I am crossing my fingers that I won't get it will breast feeding as I am just soooo over all the girly things that we have to deal with.

Brood Mare

27-10-2009, 06:53

Nadine25

27-10-2009, 10:14

Mimmi- What a snob that woman was! So did a mothers group eventuate out of it or are they all snobs?

Pangari- Yay for no period. I have had a few threats too but nothing yet. The longer it stays away the better, hehe.

Brood Mare

27-10-2009, 10:38

Mimmi- What a snob that woman was! So did a mothers group eventuate out of it or are they all snobs?

Nope, snobby as, and they arranged a meet up without me, so they can go screw themselves

Pangari

27-10-2009, 10:55

Mimmi: stuff 'em! you have a way cooler, heaps more caring mums group here and the Melb girls love having you as part of our gatherings.

Question: Casper is 8 weeks today but is still recovering from his cold. i want to hold off on is vaccinations until he is fully better. Probably a silly question but is it ok to get them done a week or two later?

Great night last night...Casper slept for a 5 hour stretch! Of course i woke up after 3 expecting him to wake and then couldn't get back to sleep, but hoping it is the start of longer night time sleeps!!!

Whitey78

27-10-2009, 11:21

Mimmi - have no idea about meds for hayfever in bubs. I used to get it so bad (yes and I work with farmers and live on a farm - great combo!) BUT I haven't had any hayfever yet! I did stock up on some meds that were safe for BF but haven't even opened them yet.
Also I agree - screw those snobs!!!!

Pangari - I have no idea about postponing the vac's for another week - shouldn't make too much diff I'd think. Can you get some panadol?

AFM - well thought the diet was working wonders. Yesterday evening Angus didn't scream and was actually asleep by the time DH got home. We had dinner together and even a wine - I felt normal again!
..... HOWEVER then when he woke at 2 he wou;dn't settle. I was up and down like a yo-yo all night. Ended up feeding again at 5:30am and then we snoozed together on the couch until 9:30am - bliss! I was too scared to put him down and I NEEDED sleep. Upshot though is I have now missed MCHN this morning, not a big deal but wanted to ask her about diet etc.

ALSO a question for you ladies: last night Angus' last feed was about 5:30pm, he went to sleep about 7pm and I was agonising over whether or not to wake him for a top up around 9pm. I didn't and he slept through until 2, but just wondering what you ladies would do???

kitty galore

27-10-2009, 11:55

BUT I haven't had any hayfever yet! I did stock up on some meds that were safe for BF but haven't even opened them yet.

I used to suffer terrible, terrible hayfever, since I was young. When I was pg with DD, it disappeared and never came back, until only last week! very strange! But I had over 4 years hayfever-free!!

ALSO a question for you ladies: last night Angus' last feed was about 5:30pm, he went to sleep about 7pm and I was agonising over whether or not to wake him for a top up around 9pm. I didn't and he slept through until 2, but just wondering what you ladies would do???

JMO only - I wouldn't wake him. I did that with Finn only a couple of times, and I reckon he wouldn't settle properly again - hey, if you were woken up, you would feel unsettled too - that is my thoughts anyway! From when Finn was born I just let him go for as long as he wanted (except for a couple of times mentioned above) and I reckon this is why we have had 7, 8, 9, 10 hour stretches of sleep at night. I just looked at it like, bubs lets us know during the day when they are hungry, and they do the same at night! But that is just me, it works for us, may not work for others

Pangari

27-10-2009, 12:02

Whitey: I am still doing the 'routine' and it is working wonders. I put Casper down to sleep at 7pm after a feed at 6.15pm followed by bathtime and reading him a book. Then at 10.30pm DH brings him into me (I go to bed at 9.30pm) for a feed. He has been sleeping from 11 to somewhere between 2 and 3am when I feed him again. If he wakes at 2am I try to resettle him with a dummy and a rub of his tummy to get him through to as close to 3am as possible. Last night however, he slept through to 4.30am. I gave him a quick feed but no nappy change and he then slept through to 6.45am when I woke him for his morning shower and morning 7am feed. He is showering with DH in the morning (just a quick rinse really) and then a bath at night. He then went back to sleep at 8am and slept to 10am! I got an hours sleep myself then! I am getting the books on "routine" from my SIL this weekend and will pass on the names and authors once I have them if it is of interest. I think by around week 8 he is supposed to be 'encouraged' to sleep through the night so I need to find out what they suggest to help that cause sometimes the dummy and resettling just doesn't really work. I think she would suggest a little bit of warm water which I haven't tried. I find that waking Casper for a feed works really well as he is so peaceful and sleepy that he feeds really calmly and he goes straight back to sleep afterwards. I usually feed him on one breast, then change him in between as quickly as poss and wrap him up, then feed him on the 2nd breast while wrapped which resettles him. Works for us but as we all know each bub is different.

kobesmum

27-10-2009, 12:07

Whitey: I get Kobe up for a 'dream feed' at around 10:30 every night. I'd noticed he was doing his long sleep from about 7 til midnight, then reverted to waking every three hours after midnight. The dream feeds have fixed this for us. Kobe now goes through til about 4 or 5 after the dream feed (with a few exceptions - last night he was awake 2 hours after the dream feed but I think he's having a growth spurt). I didn't want to wake him at first either, but found that if I don't change his nappy (unless there's #2s) he doesn't wake anyway. It's so cute watching him trying to latch on while he's asleep, like a little guppy :laughing:

Good luck, it might be worth a try so you can get some more sleep :sleeping:

Pangari

27-10-2009, 12:07

There you go...MyPrincessAmeli and I both have totally different methods that work for us and our bubs. Looks like you will just have to figure out what works best for you and Angus. Pity these babies don't come with manuals!!!!

I know for Casper if I let him go till when he woke up, he would wake up ravenous and then really be horrible and ratty during his feed and attack my boob and gulp in milk and air which gave him bad wind that upset him so much he couldn't get back to sleep.

Perhaps try a few different techniques and see if Angus responds well to any of them. Goodluck.

firsttimeparents

27-10-2009, 14:39

Whitey: I also let Bailey sleep he wakes me up for a fed and is still quite sleepy there was a week (before he reacted to the reflux meds) that he slept from 8/8:30-between 3&5 am. Like Pangari said just try him some different ways and see what works for you guys :)

Mimmi: Who needs snobby people as friends anyway!!! They are the ones missing out on a great girl and sweet little bubby boy. Stick with us Mel mummies we love hanging out with you two :)

Pangari: Am very pleased to hear that your lump is not the C word. In regards to the 8 week needles I think you can wait a week but there is a time limit until they will not be able to give them to Casper. Talk to your MCHN. And yay for no period I am dreading the day mine comes back :(

Anyways Bailey was on Zantac for reflux and it has not helped at all, he seems to have gotten worse over the week and half of taking it so we have now gone onto Losec , :fingerscrossed: this works because I am slowly going crazy.

Iam looking to buy a swing has anyone got one they would/wouldn't recommend?

Have a nice day ladies and for those in Mel enjoy this lovely sunshine and warm weather.

Californication

27-10-2009, 15:26

Well even though I felt pre-menstrual the other week, no period came, so I guess it hasn't returned yet. I am crossing my fingers that I won't get it will breast feeding as I am just soooo over all the girly things that we have to deal with.

Lucky you. I started bleeding today. I don't think it's a period though as no other "symptoms." I'm wondering if it's because of the mini-pill. I only started it last week after my 6 week check as Dr wanted to see if we were going to BF before going back on any pill. Not happy whatever the cause!!

Good news is that my fungal infection is clearing up. Other good news is that my sister is here for a few days :yelclap:

WTK

27-10-2009, 15:28

Happy sunny Tuesday everyone

Mimmi - like you said screw them. Its amazing how some people on this earth can be so outstandingly rude. Great photos BTW. Miss Penny and I will hopefully make the next one. No marathons, no freeway closures, no stopping us!

FTTP - I'm interested in getting a swing as well, so good question

Whitey - Sometimes I do the 'dream feed' as kobesmum described. It all depends. I've actually changed MP's bath time until the later time. I was doing it at 4.30/5pm and her best sleep was from 6ish thru to about 11. So bath time is now anywhere from 9-10.30, I'm awake usually at that time anyway, its 'my' time. She will generally sleep thru to 4.30/5.30am then. Good luck hun :)

AFM - It started when MP woke at 2.45am for her feed Monday morning. (Um that was only yesterday :rolleyes: ) Instead of feeding and going back to sleep like she normally does she was awake and screaming until 6am. DF got up and took over for the last hr. She was then up again from 8am and had a total of 2 hrs sleep until bed time at 10pm!!! She was awake for 10 hrs! My god, she really tested DF and I. She was seriously close to being left out on the lawn a couple of times. She fed every 2/2.5 hrs, her temp was up slightly so she was stripped off she had gripe water, panadol, boiled water, infacol you name it we tried it, nothing worked she cried and grizzled all day. I remembered I had 120ml of EBM in the freezer and so at 9pm she had a bath, which she cried thru, first time ever she usually loves the bath, fresh jammies and then the bottle. She slept from 10pm - 5.30am :) The poor wee chicken was so so tired. Today she has been right back to normal only sleeping longer. We reckon she's catching up on her zzz's from yesterday. It's days like yesterday you think I"M NOT DOING THIS AGAIN, 1 CHILD IS ENOUGH!!! Then today? you change your mind and say yeah why not, I could do at least 2 more!

We are going to the 'Outlaws' for dinner tonite. Whitey I may just have a glass of wine too!!

mum2bubble

27-10-2009, 15:33

Hey ladies, sorry I haven't been on in a while, every time I tried to post something would come up.

Pangari- so glad that that the tests showed the better of the two options and I hope that it doesn't cause you too many issues and stress

Mimmi- shame about your mothers group. Could you ask the CHN to let you go o the next group, Keiran may be a bit older than the bubs but im sure in the long run it might not make much of a difference and the other ladies may turn to you for advice seeing as you would've been through the varies stages before them.

Whitey- I tired waking Tahlia up for her 11ish feed but found that she was tired anyway, wouldnt drink as much as she normally would and in general was just grumpy because I woke her up.

AFM- I got my first AF last week, I thought that was good (9 weeks) for bottlefeeding. Boy I did not miss that!

Ive been really lucky with Tahlia. We've been getting at least 7 hour blocks through the night, a few nights we've got 10 hour blocks and twice she has slept from 7 till 7. Our biggest issue now is trying to establish some sort of routine where she feeds around the same time each day, at the moment its all over the place, really depending on what time she wakes up each morning.

We had a few issues a few weeks back with refluxy type symptoms but without the crying etc. She was throwing up nearly every bottle and fighting the bottle and refusing to feed. She then stopped fighting it but kept up with the spew and it really would'nt've bothered me or her except for the fact that she was bringing it up half digested and would choke on it in her sleep. So we added a thickener to her formula and although she does still bring up it is more like the normal baby spew not the chunky stuff like before:)

Im quite looking forward to the Sydney meet up, even if it means I have to spend 3 hours ish on a train, I am so craving adult interactions. So far its only been mothers group (most of my friends are still at uni etc without kids) and I find myself counting down the days till Fridays when I see them again.

Anyway hopefully I can keep in contact more now, (I managed to crack my laptop screen a few weeks back so until I bought a new one have had very limited access to the internet but i have a new one now!) hope everyone is having a good day!

sim081005

27-10-2009, 16:15

Hello everyone

Whitey I tried to wake Mason a few times but all it did was wake him up properly so I stopped doing that

M2B sorry that AF has come back but great news about the Sydney meet up

WTK poor miss Penny, you & DP. It is so hard when they are awake for so long being upset. It is so draining

Well Mason is still unsettled. He has now being forally diagnosed as being a high level reflux baby. He has thrown up blood, screamed non stop, not feeding prooperly at times & is always chucking up. We are on our second preventative which is a thickener I give him 5 minutes before a feed. It helps with some of his crying but not the chucking so a little improvement. We are going to see a Paed who sepcialises in reflux babies on Thursday so fingers crossed she can help us.

On a brighter note Mason got weighted yesterday & he is 90 grams short of being 5kg so he has gained 190 grams each week for the last 3 weeks. Not a big gain compared to some bubbas but a big gain for Mason. So I am staying positive & telling myself we are about to turn the corner!!!

Well I am off now to take over from DH who has had Mason screaming in his ear of over 30 minutes now

JimJamsMum

27-10-2009, 16:40

Nope, snobby as, and they arranged a meet up without me, so they can go screw themselves

Exactly right!! What a shame but at least you have the melbourne mums

Question: Casper is 8 weeks today but is still recovering from his cold. i want to hold off on is vaccinations until he is fully better. Probably a silly question but is it ok to get them done a week or two later?

Yeah, that is fine. They actually recommend you don't vax while bub is sick.

ALSO a question for you ladies: last night Angus' last feed was about 5:30pm, he went to sleep about 7pm and I was agonising over whether or not to wake him for a top up around 9pm. I didn't and he slept through until 2, but just wondering what you ladies would do???

I wouldn't wake him for a dream feed but I would try and encourage him to stay awake a bit longer at night so I could get the last feed in later. Daniel has his last feed at about 7pm and now sleeps through until 5am. Eventually babies do learn to sleep through the night and I sometimes wonder if dreamfeeding impedes the process. But I don't know. Whatever works...

Hello everyone

Well Mason is still unsettled. He has now being forally diagnosed as being a high level reflux baby. He has thrown up blood, screamed non stop, not feeding prooperly at times & is always chucking up.
:( Poor little guy. I hope you get some help from the paed. That guy must be up for a challenge, I can't imagine having a much more difficult speciality than reflux babies.

On a brighter note Mason got weighted yesterday & he is 90 grams short of being 5kg so he has gained 190 grams each week for the last 3 weeks.

That's awesome!! Well done.

MiracleMum21

27-10-2009, 23:32

Pangari - Casper is sooo cute! I love David's new profile pic! :)

Pangari

28-10-2009, 07:16

Thanks MM21...we think so too! I had fun dressing bubs up to match his daddy!

Poor little mite still has his cold lingering on. He is such a little trooper though and coping really well and on the whole he is much better. I think it is harder on me seeing him under the weather. My cold is slowly improving too, so hopefully by the end of this week we will bother be over it! Fingers crossed.

Casper slept for 5 hour stretch the night before last and 4.5hours last night but last night I did have to resettle him at 2am and 3am. He was having trouble breathing with his blocked nose so I put some vicks on him which seemed to really help. Hopefully this pattern will continue and he will continue to have longer sleep stretches at night.

Question: Any of you had the swine flu vax? I am tossing up whether or not to do it. Most people I know are not doing it but with Casper to think of I am wondering if I should do it to protect him. Those of you that have had it, did you have any side-effects?

Brood Mare

28-10-2009, 07:41

Well.. I think me and the little Bear, are coming down with colds. Scratchy throat, coughing and sneezing, and my asthma has been playing up something shocking.
Keiran was only sneezing before, but this morning, he coughed, so I think he probably has what I have.
So.. what do you give a baby for a cold? just Panadol?

Pangari

28-10-2009, 08:01

Mimmi: Best thing you can give him is your breast milk! Full of lovely antibodies and goodness. If he gets really miserable though you could give him some baby panadol. Just watch that he doesn't rub his runny nose on his eyes though as that is how Casper got conjunctivitis. I cleared up his eyes by putting some breast milk in his eyes 4 x daily and then once during the night when I got up to feed him. My maternal health nurse told me to do this. I just hand expressed the milk into a sterilised bottle and then used a dropper to pop it in the corner of his eye. It seems a bit weird but it worked really well. Time and rest is the best thing for colds. I have cancelled all my going out for the next few days to keep Casper at home so he can get lots of rest and to reduce the stimulation for him.

Californication

28-10-2009, 08:17

WTK - Hope Miss Penny had a better day yesterday. Must be the season for it - William had a screaming fit on Sunday arvo. Only thing I can think of was he didn't like the heat. Hope you enjoyed your dinner - and your wine!

Mum2bubble - Poor Tahlia! Glad things are improving though.

Sim - Hope Mason had a better day too. At least you have a diagnosis though and hopefully the new Paeds Dr can give you some relief. Well done on the gain though - that is fantastic!

Pangari - You and Casper have been in the wars! On swine flu jabs, I'm not planning on it. I just feel a little concerned with how fast it's come out and possible long term side affects, but then I also don't get the normal flu jab. I am a pro-vaxer, but I wonder if the flu is getting worse because of the jabs and so it mutates. I just hope that we don't get anything!

AFM - got mum's group today. Going to do baby massage which we are looking forward to!

Have a great day everyone :)

Brood Mare

28-10-2009, 12:02

sim081005

28-10-2009, 12:19

Pangari I hope Casper gets rid of that cold soon. As for the Swine flu vac I went to have it yesterday but as I have an allergie to eggs I am not allowed to have it

Mimmi so sorry to hear that both you & Keiran are not well. I am not sure what you give them other than make sure they do not get too warm or cold & that you keep fluids up to them

ClareN I agree that it must be the season for screaming babies!!!

Mason is having good moments & bad but at least we are having good moments.

Last night DH didn't do Mason's nappy up properly & as I went to feed Mason he gave me this wonderful smile & I thought how lovely & then there was this gush of warm wee!!!

Pangari

28-10-2009, 13:37

Mimmi: I know what you mean. So hard to know what to do for our bubs when they get sick. I was just lucky I had an appointment with my maternal health nurse the day it started. Casper's cold started with him being super sleepy and very clingy. I just knew something was up but didn't know what. he wanted to be cuddled constantly that night and would only sleep in my arms, then by morning his nose was snuffly and runny and his right eye was sticky and goopy. i totally fell apart as it killed me to see him so unhappy and especially with his red puffy sore eye. he is almost over it now thank goodness. hope you and keiran are feeling better soon.

Sim: Don't you just love those wee wee surprises! Casper loves nothing more than weeing on mummy or daddy at change time!

sim081005

28-10-2009, 14:55

Swings:

I have 2 one for my place & one for my mum & dads. The one here is a Graco. It is fairly large BUT it will last him a long time, it has a tray so I can put toys on the tray & the seat is adjustable. The one at my mum & dad's is a Fisher Price take along swing. These are good as they fold away & are easy to take anywhere you go. They are on special at Kmart for $109

Butterflyqld

28-10-2009, 16:20

Question: Any of you had the swine flu vax? I am tossing up whether or not to do it. Most people I know are not doing it but with Casper to think of I am wondering if I should do it to protect him. Those of you that have had it, did you have any side-effects?

Pangari
I had the swine flu vax and didn't have any side effects. Neither did my DH. However with the whooping cough my arm blew up and was red and sore for about a week and a half.

My DH and I only got it to protect Josh and our only kids.

firsttimeparents

28-10-2009, 16:22

Thanks Sim I think I will be investing in the fisher price swing.

Mimmi just keep a close eye on keiran with his cold. If he is not feeding well, or if his fontenelle is sunken, very lethargic etc don't hesitate to take him to hospital. When Bailey had a cold it turned into bronchiolitis and he ended up in hospital for 1 week. Don't want to scare you but just want to make you aware :)

We had our second trip to the children's this morning :( Bailey was vomiting blood-it was very scary for me. The hospital did his obs etc and he is fine within himself, but they said that in severe reflux cases the acid burns the osophegues (sp) and causes vomiting of blood. we are on different meds so hopefully they start working soon and the poor little bubba gets a break from everything :(

Had my mothers group meeting today and we met at our local club and had a glass of wine and a chat. It was nice to get out of the house and Bailey managed to sleep in the pram on the way there and back.

Hope everyone else is ok today :)
:flowerz:

Pangari

28-10-2009, 20:07

ftp & Sim: My heart goes out to you both. I can't imagine what you must be going through seeing your bubs vomiting blood and in so much pain. I really hope you both get some proper answers and help for your little ones soon. Casper has been throwing up after each feed since he got his cold and that is hard enough for me to cope with as he is so upset by it, so you guys must be beside yourselves with worry. You and your beautiful babies are in my thoughts and prayers.

ClareN: How was your baby massage session at mother's group? Sounds like fun. I couldn't go to my 2nd mum's group session today as Casper and I are still a bit 'coldy' and I didn't want to spread it around the group.

Here is something to cheer you all up...(ignore the advert at the start):
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/once-bitten-now-watched-by-millions-on-youtube-20091028-hjsc.html

AFM: Am wondering if there is any way that Casper might be starting teething? He is only 8 weeks old but has started drooling heaps and chomping on his hand and anything else he can get in his mouth including my arm. Life for a newborn is just one stressful thing after another isn't it!!!!

The nice thing that has started this week though is that every time I go to get him from his cot when he wakes up, he sees me and just grins and smiles at me. He is just such a brave little trooper, coping so well with everything life throws at him.

I am going to go and get some acupuncture to try and boost my immune system as I just feel so flat and rundown at the moment.

PuRpLeSkY

28-10-2009, 20:16

I just spent 15 minutes writing a post and somehow I deleted it! anway sorry I haven't been on for a while I was away at my in laws for the weekend and when I got home monday my comp had crapped itself! just got it working again today.

Mimmi, I can't believe how rude some people can be! your better off without them!

Pangari, glad to hear things are ok

Sim, you poor thing! it must be so tough, it's good to know that Mason is gaining weight at least

AFM I'm still having sleep issues with Sahara, she's on my lap right now and has barely slept since midday it drives me nuts! she had such a bad day friday she just cried alot and wouldn't settle then Sat she was alot better and slept 7 hours, but has been back to her none sleeping ways since monday! I have someone coming tomorrow to discuss settling techniques so maybe that will help as I've tried just about everything I can!

Hope everyone has a restfull night!

Californication

28-10-2009, 20:30

ClareN: How was your baby massage session at mother's group? Sounds like fun. I couldn't go to my 2nd mum's group session today as Casper and I are still a bit 'coldy' and I didn't want to spread it around the group.

It was good, though we didn't get a demo as William and Lennox were sleeping and Seb was drinking! But, we got a handout and brochure and got talked through it, so will scan and post it if anyone is interested.

Hope everyone with health issues is feeling better. We had another screamfest this arvo. Staying home tomorrow, so will be interesting to see if he does it again, or if it is just the tired grumps from not getting his long arvo nap!!

mum2bubble

28-10-2009, 20:37

AFM I'm still having sleep issues with Sahara, she's on my lap right now and has barely slept since midday it drives me nuts! she had such a bad day friday she just cried alot and wouldn't settle then Sat she was alot better and slept 7 hours, but has been back to her none sleeping ways since monday! I have someone coming tomorrow to discuss settling techniques so maybe that will help as I've tried just about everything I can!

Hope everyone has a restfull night!

I hope that tomorrow you can find something that works, :fingerscrossed:

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AFM: Am wondering if there is any way that Casper might be starting teething? He is only 8 weeks old but has started drooling heaps and chomping on his hand and anything else he can get in his mouth including my arm. Life for a newborn is just one stressful thing after another isn't it!!!!

The nice thing that has started this week though is that every time I go to get him from his cot when he wakes up, he sees me and just grins and smiles at me. He is just such a brave little trooper, coping so well with everything life throws at him.

Tahlia was doing the same thing with the drooling and trying to shove her entire fist in her mouth! I asked my CHN the same thing (about the dribble etc) she said they dont start teething until around 4 months (i think thats when she said it can start) and that its just them discovering different things about their body. Im not sure about Casper but Tahlia enjoys blowing bubbles with hers!

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We had our second trip to the children's this morning :( Bailey was vomiting blood-it was very scary for me. The hospital did his obs etc and he is fine within himself, but they said that in severe reflux cases the acid burns the osophegues (sp) and causes vomiting of blood. we are on different meds so hopefully they start working soon and the poor little bubba gets a break from everything :(

Had my mothers group meeting today and we met at our local club and had a glass of wine and a chat. It was nice to get out of the house and Bailey managed to sleep in the pram on the way there and back.

Hope everyone else is ok today :)
:flowerz:
:hugs: I hope you both do get a break. I can begin to imagine how stressful and worrying that may have been.

hope things get sorted soon.

re the swings, I have a fisher price rain forest one. I only brought it because I have everything else in the set (portacot, high chair, jumper, playmat, mobile etc). I found that it was quite bright and Tahlia wouldn't necessarily sleep in it all the time, sometimes the colours are distracting, but others when she is unsettled it is a godsend. I remember Nadine suggesting trying to get one that swings side to side as well as back to front as side to side is more settling and front to back is more stimulating IYKWIM

Hope you enjoyed your lunch with your mothers group. Im thinking of organizing one for mine next week.

AFM- had a pretty boring day. Dp only had tafe for 3 hours in the middle of the day so he did most of the stuff with bub today, was great but I felt myself wandering around trying to think of something to do. Now bub is in bed, Dp has gone out for a while (i think i practically forced him out the door) and I have nothing to do .... planning on going to bed soon and catch some zzz's although I have been blessed with a good sleeper.

Planning on heading to the shops tomorrow. I have to buy some good joggers for walking. I went for a walk the other day and my shoes are now too small. Ive ended up with bruised toes

On that note has anyone else found that their feet are bigger. I mentioned the above to the CHN and she said most women go up a shoe size after pregnancy. Im already a size 10 imagine if it happens after each pregnancy and I have a few more kids! I already have trouble finding shoes that fit.

Well hope your all get some well earned sleep tonight!

MiracleMum21

28-10-2009, 21:55

Have you guys cut bubs nails yet?
I Tried using baby nail clippers, but kept catching his skin aswell, So I ended up just biting them off....

kitty galore

28-10-2009, 22:29

Helloooo Lovely Ladies! Hope you are all well!!

Clare - yay for infection clearing up and your sis visiting. your mums group sounds prettty cruisy!! I attempt to do some sort of massage on Finn, he loves it. I use the body shops baby boniti or whatever it is called - smells so yummy!

WTK - is MP due for another poop? From following your poop situation the other day, I reckon MP and Finn are on the same poop schedule. he is has been windy and ratty for a couple of days, he's def due for one!!

Mum2bubble - as I said to you yesty, I am very jealous of Tahlia's thick lovely hair - Finn is just such a baldie boy!!

Sim - big hugs for you and Mason - I hope all goes well with the paed tomos.:fingerscrossed:

Pangari - I feel the same as Clare regarding swine flu, I am not bothering with that one..

Mimmi - I hope you and Keiran are feeling better. can you steam some vicks in your room?

FTP - sorry to hear Bailey is sick - must be so very scary! Hope you are all better soon!

PurpleSky - :hugs:hugs for you and Sahara. I hope the person can help you tomos with some settling/sleep techniques..

Teething - I agree with Mum2Bubble - I wouldn't have thought that bubs would start teething this soon (generally). I think it is just that they are really discovering their hands and are thoroughly enjoying sucking on their fingers - hence the dribble. Finn is a thumbsucker...I was too for many years, until I had to get a plate to correct my teeth that were being pushed out from thumbsucking!!:o

MM21 - don't use the clippers, just bite/or tear bubs nails. I was told in hospy to avoid using clippers for at least the first 12 months...

I have also been wondering about some of our earlier girls and how they are going...some who I can think of - HunnyBunny, Beebs...I hope they are all well.

AFM - plodding along, enjoying the giggles and squeals and laughs from Finn all the time. He is just such a placid baby. I don't remember Amelie being this placid, and she was fairly relaxed too! Must be that I am more relaxed!
Am def looking at going back to work one day per week after chrissy. have to sort stuff out with my MIL first, but she is being a bit difficult at the mo, so it could very well not happen!

Facebook - I think there are some of us who have missed adding each other here and there. Do we want to dig up our 'Due in Aug 09' group and some of the new girls can get on there? Or maybe we just start a new Facebook thread here in the Jul-Aug-Sept group? WDYT?

Phew, that is all from me, I think! Now i must feed my latest vice- ebay!!!

xxx
Nicole

Brood Mare

29-10-2009, 06:41

Well I know I have a cold, nice head cold for sure. As for his lord ship, he seems a little clingy this morning, but still no major signs yet. I am praying he might get lucky and just have a cough.
I am trying to talk/guilt my husband in staying home to take care of us, but sadly since his boss is stressed out about things at the moment. Not going to work could mean a serious arguement... it's really not fair

Butterflyqld

29-10-2009, 07:50

Have you guys cut bubs nails yet?
I Tried using baby nail clippers, but kept catching his skin aswell, So I ended up just biting them off....

We use a nail file (the non metal one) Nice and easy.

Butterflyqld

29-10-2009, 07:52

zera06

29-10-2009, 08:22

Lilli is 10weeks and is teething.

My son started getting teeth through at about 3months

firsttimeparents

29-10-2009, 10:26

What a night we had last night. Bailey was up every 2 hours screamimg for 30 min-45 min, vomiting tummy gurgling etc, nothing could settle him he would not even take his dummy. This morning his poos are dark green almost black. We have an emergency appointment with the pead today. When will it end :( I am not feeling very good at the moment.

Sim I hope you are getting some help today also.

kobesmum

29-10-2009, 12:02

Good afternoon ladies

Well its a very warm day in Adelaide today and I'm hoping it doesn't affect Kobe too much - we have AC in the lounge room but not in the bedrooms. It was warm yesterday too, and he fed every 2 hours during the day - thirsty boy!!

firsttimeparents: So sorry to hear about your troubles with Bailey. I hope the paed can resolve it for you soon :hugs:Hugs for you too Sim - I can't imagine going through what you two have endured with your bubs.

Swing query: I went to Kmart on the weekend to buy the FP $109 swing, but upon reading the fine print, realised that Kobe wouldn't be able to use it once he's six months old (and he's three months next week) so I thought it was a waste of money. However, I spotted another FP swing in Kmart which is called Swing n Rocker which converts into a bouncer then a rocking chair once your bub is too big for the swing. It cost $199 so I figure for the extra $90 I'll get a lot longer use out of it. It only has two swing speeds and dodgy music but it serves our purpose. Mind you, its already out of action thanks to a poo explosion whilst wearing a cloth nappy - not a pretty site! Kobe fell asleep in it on the first day but has refused to since... but he does enjoy being in it.

A couple of questions:
1) Does anyone know where you buy cot mosquito nets from? I've seen a few of the critters around lately, plus we seem to have heaps of spiders here (its our first spring season in this house) Eeek - would hate to leave him uncovered and be bitten :(
2) What baby sunscreen do you use? I'm trying to eliminate chemical-based products from our home, so regular off the shelf stuff is usually no go. I'm currently using Invisible Zinc which has no nasties. It comes in a baby sunscreen - has anyone used it? Or are there better alternatives?? Its starting to really warm up here so its time to slip slop slap :yes:

AFM: My wonderful DH decided he wanted to do the dream feed with Kobe at 10:30 using EBM so I could get some extra sleep. Kobe took the bottle ok, but an hour later sleepy DH came in and woke me up coz he couldn't get Kobe to sleep!! I wonder if its because daddy doesn't usually feed him and he got excited? I heard him giggling when DH changed his nappy (with me he's usually still sleeping!). Anyway, I ended up getting LESS sleep as a result, so our new plan is to use the EBM for a Saturday morning feed so I can sleep in, that way if Kobe won't sleep daddy can entertain him :)

Really not enjoying this warmer weather we're getting here - I didn't go for a walk yesterday coz it was too yucky so felt a bit cooped up inside. Today's even hotter, but I might try for a walk in the early evening if Kobe's still awake.

Hope you're all having a great day mums and bubs :wave:

teeda

29-10-2009, 14:01

2) What baby sunscreen do you use? I'm trying to eliminate chemical-based products from our home, so regular off the shelf stuff is usually no go. I'm currently using Invisible Zinc which has no nasties. It comes in a baby sunscreen - has anyone used it? Or are there better alternatives?? Its starting to really warm up here so its time to slip slop slap :yes:

I use BabiesOnly Clear Zinc Sunscreen (organic baby skin care brand) - you can also use it for nappy rash as well...

JimJamsMum

29-10-2009, 14:10

Have you guys cut bubs nails yet?
I Tried using baby nail clippers, but kept catching his skin aswell, So I ended up just biting them off....

I do us nail clippers on Daniel. I tried picking them off but they are too strong. I'm super careful though and so far (touch wood) we haven't had any drama.

What a night we had last night. Bailey was up every 2 hours screamimg for 30 min-45 min, vomiting tummy gurgling etc, nothing could settle him he would not even take his dummy. This morning his poos are dark green almost black. We have an emergency appointment with the pead today. When will it end :( I am not feeling very good at the moment.

:( Poor little guy. I hope the appointment went well and you guys get some help.

A couple of questions:

2) What baby sunscreen do you use? I'm trying to eliminate chemical-based products from our home, so regular off the shelf stuff is usually no go. I'm currently using Invisible Zinc which has no nasties. It comes in a baby sunscreen - has anyone used it? Or are there better alternatives?? Its starting to really warm up here so its time to slip slop slap :yes:

Sorry, not sure about question 1 (mosquito nets) so I deleted it :laughing:

There is a store in Brisbane called Biome Living. They also have a website and they sell all natural sunscreen. I have never used it but you might want to take a look.

What's everyone getting their bub for Chrissy? I have heaps for DS1 but nothing for Daniel so far.

ETA: Purplesky, how did the settling person go? Not sure if you know but there are also places you can go for the day or even for a few nights if Sahara won't settle. Your CHN can give you a referral. A few of my friends have used them and found it really useful

bingo27

29-10-2009, 15:37

Pangari: I think it is nice that you thought of the other mother and bubs in your mothers group. At my mothers group the other week one of the mothers said she had had a cold all weekend and so did her bub, I was sitting next to her at the time thinking if I had a cold I wouldn't turn up and spread it to all the other mums and bubs! I know you can't be housebound for the whole time, but maybe pick your outings, especially with the whole swine fly thing around.

Kobes Mum: I saw the mosquito nets in the baby shops here in Perth, they are the full cover ones which zip up, they were $99, I was considering getting one as I get bitten horridly with mozzies and if my bubs has the same blood as me she might too. Would like to know if anyone else has used them before I fork out the cash though!!!

Pangari: My bub has started to drool quite a lot, I read in the baby book that this is normal and when they work out how to swallow properly it should stop, don't know how true that is but it didn't mention anything about teething. I hope she isn't teething though, my boobies are taking a battering as it is without adding teeth into the equation!

JimJams Mum: I just came back from the post office and they had some great childrens book packs for under $15. I went to toyworld yesterday and didn'y see too much that I liked, planning on going to toys r us next week. Not going to go overboard but would like to get her something too play with, she will be approaching 5 months then so I assume they just get more and more interested in thingsw.

AFM I am trying to get evie to sleep in her cot during the day so as to try to move her out of my bedroom, some days I think she will be fine with it and others like today she just won't settle. My goal is to have her full time in her own room by 12 weeks which is just over a week away, so nfingers crossed:fingerscrossed: Mind you sometimes I think it is a bigger transition for the parents and she wouldn't even notice the change!

PuRpLeSkY

29-10-2009, 19:33

MiracleMum21, I use baby scissors they work really well, although I've barely done Sahara's nails because she wriggles so much even when asleep!

Firsttimeparents, I'm sorry to hear about everything your going through you poor thing, I hope you got some help today.

JimJamsMum, Well the lady wasn't alot of help, she said there isn't alot I can do at this point just keep trying what I'am and that this could last until Sahara is 16 weeks, so yeah very stressful! she barely slept yesterday and today, I just got her to sleep about 10 to and it had been 20 minutes when the stupid dog next door started barking outside her window and within seconds she was screaming I swear I want to kill that dog! I couldn't re settle her I tried for half an hour and now she is on my lap again!

Brood Mare

29-10-2009, 19:46

sim081005

29-10-2009, 19:48

First up I want to thank you all for your kind wishes & concerns

You will all be pleased to know that the Paed was really lovely & understanding of my situation. She said that normally they would start off with a lower med & go from there but she believes that Mason is has an extreme case of reflux & as his weight, sleep etc is affected, we need to take serious action. So she has Mason on Losec. I only need to give him one tablet a day which she said will be easier on me (I must be showing my tiredness well)

The big problem I had was for Mason to show his true colours. He screamed his head off in the waiting room to the point I was so embrassed but the moment we went in he was giggling, lsmiling & talking. He made such a lier out of me but made up for it the whole way home for an hour!!!

Anyway she is going to call me Monday to see how we are going & try & see me again in 2 weeks. I am praying that this is the start of getting my happy little boy back

FTP how did you go today? I have been thinking of you all day

Pangari

29-10-2009, 20:38

Great result Sim. Let's hope this woman can finally make a real difference. What an emotional and physical rollercoaster you have been on! Big hugs.

Mimmi: I was having the same problem with Casper. Wouldn't go to sleep. Had him in just a singlet and nappy and didn't wrap him as I thought he would get too hot but when he wouldn't settle I wrapped him in a really light muslin wrap and he went straight to sleep.

FTP: Thinking of you! Hope you got some support and help today.

Purplesky: Bummer that the woman didn't have any real solutions. I think we are all hanging out for that elusive 16 week mark when our babies should miraculously start settling more easily! I certainly am!!!

Bingo: Thanks! I really wanted to go but did what I thought was best. If my friend had have done the same for me and told me not to visit as her son had a cold, Casper and I would not have gotten sick!

AFM: Casper had a shocker today. Totally unsettled, throwing up milk after every feed, screaming the house down for hours at a time and just not sleeping. To make it worse I still have a raging headache and sore throat from this darn cold and so am not coping so well today. I did get him to sleep by 8pm after an hour of him screaming and crying and he should not wake till at least 10.30pm now...fingers crossed...when DH brings him in for his "dream feed". Anyway, I am off to bed now as I feel like crap and need my rest!

Goodnight all and sleep, sleep, sleep little babies!

kobesmum

29-10-2009, 20:42

Is there a trick or something to getting babies to sleep in warm temperatures, cause I am running out of ideas. He just wont sleep...

Given him a luke warm bath, to help lower his temperature, given him the swing, a feed, and 10mins after settling him in his cot with no sheets, he wakes up. He is currently dressed in a nappy and singlet. He was getting really warm earlier that I wiped him down with a coolish cloth..
And now I have no idea what more I can do.. It doesn't help I feel sick, and me or the DH holding him, will only raise his temperature.

Mimmi that's strange coz today it was really warm here (33 degrees) and Kobe seemed MORE sleepy than usual. Babies are so weird. It sounds like you've tried everything, although I have a fan in Kobe's room (not pointed at him though) which could be helping. Otherwise I have no idea. I'm not looking forward to Summer that's for sure :no:
Kobe is also dressed in a nappy and singlet, but is in a light sleeping bag. The fan in his room has a temp gauge and it says 26 degrees at the moment, poor bub. He did take ages to settle tonight - not crying just wide awake - but for his day sleeps he was out like a light. Have you checked his temp? He might be getting your cold and running a fever, so panadol might help.

Good luck xx

Brood Mare

29-10-2009, 20:50

Well, I think :fingerscrossed: he is down now. The DH took him on a walk, but he still was awake when he got home, so I slipped him back in the swing, then wrapped him while he was dozing. I wrapped him in a bed sheet, it's the lightest thing I have for him, and he fell asleep in my arms. I am going to be paranoid now that he is going to get really hot.

Brood Mare

29-10-2009, 20:54

Mimmi that's strange coz today it was really warm here (33 degrees) and Kobe seemed MORE sleepy than usual. Babies are so weird. It sounds like you've tried everything, although I have a fan in Kobe's room (not pointed at him though) which could be helping. Otherwise I have no idea. I'm not looking forward to Summer that's for sure :no:
Kobe is also dressed in a nappy and singlet, but is in a light sleeping bag. The fan in his room has a temp gauge and it says 26 degrees at the moment, poor bub. He did take ages to settle tonight - not crying just wide awake - but for his day sleeps he was out like a light. Have you checked his temp? He might be getting your cold and running a fever, so panadol might help.

Good luck xx

He has been a good mooded little fellow all day til about 3pm. Apparently that was just after we hit 31degrees. He started getting hot and a little restless.

I checked his temperature every so often to make sure that wasn't the case, and he stayed at 36degrees

JimJamsMum

30-10-2009, 06:47

JimJamsMum, Well the lady wasn't alot of help, she said there isn't alot I can do at this point just keep trying what I'am and that this could last until Sahara is 16 weeks, so yeah very stressful!

:( What a shame. Do you have a pouch or a sling you can carry her around in? Sometimes it can be less stressful carrying them around because at least then they aren't crying even if they are not asleep. Also, do you have the tv on during the day. With DS1 he got overstimulated by being in the loungeroom with the tv on (although I never intentionally put him in front of it to watch it) and would have bouts of screaming when I put him to sleep because of it.

Is there a trick or something to getting babies to sleep in warm temperatures, cause I am running out of ideas. He just wont sleep...

YES!! My mum told me about this and it works a treat in hot weather. Wet a sheet and drap it over the wide of the cot then aim a fan at the sheet. Bub will be nice and cool in the cot and on really hot days it's very tempting to jump in there with them. It's like having the air con on.

Sim- great news about the paed. I think it's a great sign that she's a reflux specialist and still acknowledged that Mason was a severe case. Despite his smiles she acknowledged that there really is a problem which is great.

WTK

30-10-2009, 09:59

Hi all

Sim - Great news about your paed appt. Poor Mason and poor you! I really hope that the losec works

FTP - how did you go yesterday? :fingerscrossed: you got some answers as well

JJM - thanks for the tip on cooling babies in the heat, I'll be using that one

Pangari - I know how you feel, we had a day like that on Monday. It was a real eye opener for DF who hadn't seen MP go to town, he'd always been out at work when she'd had an episode. Monday we came to the conclusion that she had been hungry. MPA, you suggested she may have needed a #2? Nope it wasnt that. I gave her a 120ml bottle of EBM at about 8 I think and she chugged it back and slept for 7 hrs. Pangari I hope you have a better day today.

AFMP - We had another afternoon/evening shocker last nite. This hunger thing got the better of me and I called my cousin who came to our rescue and bought with her Karicare Gold Plus formula. MP had been feeding every 2 hrs from lunchtime and by 9pm after 20ml EBM (thats all I can get these days) boob after boob after boob, she was still screaming. We bathed her and tried her with 50ml of formula and like flicking a switch she went straight to sleep. She slept thru to 3am :) We have had a few afternoons like this recently so I think I may have to start with the formula supplements. My food intake, coincidently, has changed the past few weeks. I have cut out all pasta, rice and halved my bread intake because of me trying to loose weight. The big thing is that the food I do eat, all the good stuff and no cr@p, is being burned up thru exercise. I am still producing milk but obviously not nearly enough :( :(

Christmas presents - I have no idea what I'm going to get MP. I will be home in NZ :smiliedance: so no doubt Grandma and Grandad will spoil her rotten. I won't buy something and take it with me, I'll get her pressies there. 41 sleeps till MP travels international with her own passport!!!

Happy Friday everyone :flowerz:

firsttimeparents

30-10-2009, 16:42

Hi ladies,

The appointment yest with the pead went really well. Bailey (like Mason) has severe reflux he is on 5 ml of losec a day. I am also on a strict diet of NO DAIRY not even in processed food i.e potato chips, because he could have and allergy to dairy.

This will not be a long post as I am feeling really crappy today :( I have severe mastitis in both breasts to the point that if the left breast lump does not go down I will have to go to the hospital to have it drained and stronger antibiotics through the arm. I am in soooo much pain that hubby and I have decided that once this dairy test is finished (thursday) we will be putting Bailey on the bottle of formula. I just can't do this any more.

I also have mild PND so am going to go and see a councellor sometime next week. Hence why I am feeling extra crappy.

So this is all about me just needed to get it off my chest.

Thanks for listening!!!

Sim-in regards to the losec the children's hospital make it in a syrup form that you can give bubs instead of tablet and they also express post deliver. Might be worth talking to your paed about it.

Butterflyqld

30-10-2009, 16:46

WTK

30-10-2009, 17:40

FTP massive cuddles to you and Bailey
:hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:

sim081005

30-10-2009, 18:34

FTP I am in tears sitting hear as I feel your pain & am so sorry that you have to go through this. It is just crap!!! I am sending you all the support that I can muster

BTW you have done such a wonderful job with Bailey & to keep positive all the way. You are one strong woman

Brood Mare

31-10-2009, 11:18

Well, I don't know whether to hate summer more or less..
Yesterday, Keiran slept for 5hrs straight, and was pretty lethargic for the rest of the time, Until 5pm.
The DH took care of him last night, so I could get one night without waking up, and I feel wonderful now. (despite the cold I have)
Today Keiran has been up and down, happy and chatty, to uncomfortable and grumpy.
I truely hate summer, and the sad part is, this is not even hot yet...
My house is old, and so doesn't have any form of air conditioning..
During our massive heatwave, and being pregnant, I spent most of the time in a cool bath..
This year, now that bubs is here, I am more terrified about him getting ill from dehydration or worse.
We have argued with our landlord to get some kind of air conditioning fitted into our house, but he refuses to alter anything, so no real air con will really be able to fight 40C...
The only thing I can think of doing, is taking the kid somewhere that isn't here... I need a plan and I need it soon..

kobesmum

31-10-2009, 12:14

Hi everyone :wave:

Mimmi: It really sucks when there's no air conditioning in rental properties. My DH and I were in a place like that, where they refused to have AC installed for 'noise reasons'... more like not wanting to spend money! So since then we've always had AC on our list of must haves when looking at renting a property. Problem we have with this place is the AC is only in the lounge/dining/kitchen open space and nothing in the bedrooms, and our bedroom and Kobe's bedroom get all the afternoon sun so get really warm. Have you considered getting a portable water-cooling AC? We have one which we use in our bedroom and it's quite effective when filled with water. Thinking of you in this crappy weather.... Adelaide is 33 today, 36 tomorrow and 35 Monday (WHAT THE?? It's spring for goodness sake!) so you might have a few more days of it over there once it's finished with us :no:

FTP: Surely everything can only improve from here? I felt terrible when I read your post - almost guilty that my bub is easy in comparison Chin up, lets hope the meds will help Bailey and then you can have lots of smiles which really helps when you're feeling down. Keeping my fingers crossed that life looks up from here :hugs:

JimJamsMum: Thanks for the tip re: cooling bubs in hot weather - I'll def be using that one :thumbsup:

AFM: Well I think I just broke my little toe on Kobe's swing...:crying: Its really painful and I've had ice on it plus had some Panadol but the pain ain't going away!! So dumb, I was rushing down to his room when I heard him stir from his sleep coz I didn't want him to wake up too much as it's then impossible to get him back to sleep. Instead I swore all the way down the hallway, probably waking him up more! Feeling very sore and sorry for myself and the moment:(
Yesterday we went to my work for a workmate's baby shower and Kobe was fantastic. It was quite hot here and I was worried about the 25 min car trip so I ran the car for about 5 min with AC on high before we got in, which worked well. Then at school (I'm a teacher) he was so good - we visited my class (Yr 5/6/7s) and they were screaming and crowding around him and talking all at once but he wasn't fazed in the slightest. But once we got out of there he CRASHED! Then we had the baby shower and he slept some more. What a champ.
So cute, just looked over and DH is asleep with Kobe in his arms (also asleep!) I might take this opportunity to catch some zzzzs too.

Hope you all have a great day

PuRpLeSkY

31-10-2009, 12:51

Hi ladies!

JimJamsMum, I have a carrier that she usually loves, if I can't get her to settle in her cot I just put her in that, the lady suggested trying to settle her for an hour then if she won't go down then get her up, so am trying that at the moment, it works sometimes but most of the time it doesn't!

FTP, I really feel for you! it must be so hard and to have mastitis on top of everything else it just doesn't seem fair!

Kobesmum, ouch! your poor toe! I can just imagine the pain!

AFM, had a grreat time yesterday with Sim and Mason, he is so cute love his long eye lashes! and both bubs weren't too bad considering, and I can't wait for the next meet up in melb I feel confident enough to drive there now. Last night we went out to watch my aunty Helen sing in a choir it was really good, Sahara fussed abit until they started then was out like a light!
gotta run right now Sahara just woke up! but slept for about half hour by herself!

Butterflyqld

31-10-2009, 13:08

sim081005

31-10-2009, 13:10

Californication

31-10-2009, 13:46

Myprincessamelie - Yes, BIG YAY for the infection clearing up! It's still discoloured, but gone. Phew! Bad thing is my sister has gone too :crying: We used to see each other all the time, but since we moved here, it's now nearly 5 hours drive so haven't seen each other much. So it was just lovely to have her come and coo over her favourite nephew! She also filled my freezer with dinners and did some housework which was fantastic too! I am enjoying my mums group, but there are less and less of us each week! Started with 6, but have only had 3 there the last 2 weeks. I hope it will continue. Will be nice to have other mums to hang out with and for William to play with! Glad you feel the same about the swine flu jab. Been wondering if I am silly to not have it, so feel better now!

Facebook - should we start a new one? I had a look ages ago and there are lots of non-BH's on there. Probably not a big issue, just harder to know who's who!

Butterflyqld - what a great idea to use a nail-file. I hadn't thought of that and haven't been game enough to use clippers/bite them. Williams nails are very long (and sharp!) so might have a go at filing them :)

JimJamsMum - Christmas. Haven't even thought that far ahead! I doubt we will go overboard though, as at nearly 5 months, William is more likely to want the paper than a present! I might even cheat and wrap some of the things I bought and put away for when he is older :) Thanks for the damp sheet tip too. We don't get a lot of hot days down here normally, but who knows what this summer will be like as the weather isn't "normal" anymore really! We had 30+ days last weekend, then rain on Monday! I have stored that one away for if I need it.

Sim - I am SO glad that you are starting to get some real help and answers for Mason. You must feel so relieved to have found the Paed specialist! How is he reacting to the meds? Hope there's been some improvement for you already :)

WTK - Got given some info at Mum's group ;that you may already know, but just incase, if bubs has a sore tummy, if you use your first 2 fingers, and draw clockwise circles on their tummy with light/mild pressure, it can help them. The circles trace the location of the colon, so can help them with tummy pain and constipation. Hope Miss Penny is having a good day and that the formula is working for you.

Firsttimeparents - Glad you have some answers too. You and Sim have had a hard time, so it's great that you both finally have some help and answers! Hope your mastitis is clearing up too. Hopefully things will get easier for you now.

Kobesmum OUCH on the toe! Hope it's not broken.

PuRpLeSkY - Shame your settling person wasn't much help. It's amazing too how information is so varied when it comes to bubs. We talked about sleep at Mums group and we were told to only try to re-settle for 10 minutes! Did she talk to you about the Feed/Play/Sleep cycle? William was already doing that naturally, but I found the info interesting. We got given a 4 page handout I can scan for you if you think it might help? (and if anyone else wants it, let me know. Not real in-depth, but has a routine to follow to settle bubs).

AFM - William has been a bit unsettled this week. Not sure if it's because we had someone else around (though it started the day before she got here) or if he's having another growth spurt. He's certainly fed more and slept less during the day, but then got grumpy as was overtired! Gone back to waking at 6am today instead of 4am, and has had 3 hours so far this morning. Though he did wake up crying hard after an hour (which is very unusual for him as not a crier) and I don't know why. He sounded like he was in pain, but I managed to calm him down after about 20 minutes, so not sure what that was about.

So now just waiting for him to wake up so I can try the supplemental nursing system I bought. Arrived yesterday, so :fingerscrossed: as I am really hoping that this is the solution to our BF problems.

kobesmum

31-10-2009, 13:49

Kobesmum: Where did you teach?
I'm in QLD and taught Prep this year. My first time in Prep and pregnant. Not a good mix, but I enjoyed it.

I taught in the northern suburbs of Adelaide, which is the equivalent of Redfern in Sydney... I've been there for about 6 years and love it though. You get used to the feralness after a while :) Like I said, I had a 5/6/7 class, also for the first time and pregnant so I had a few interesting days, but the kids were really into the whole pregnancy thing and now I think they feel like they kinda own him!! I had spent the previous three years as the teacher-librarian and wanted a change back into the classroom - little did I know I'd fall pregnant so quickly :D

When are you thinking about going back? And what fraction of time? I'm thinking of having all of next year off and then going back at the start of 2011 part time (2 or 3 days a week) either into the library again or try out a JP class. The girl who's baby shower I went to wants to go back at the same time so we might share a class. The great thing is she lives just around the corner from me and we're good friends so our bubs will be able to grow up together and we'll have our own little mother's group without the nasty pieces of work I've read about in this thread!! Now I'm counting down til she has her bub (due in December) so I can have some company :thumbsup:

Butterflyqld

31-10-2009, 14:12

I taught in the northern suburbs of Adelaide, which is the equivalent of Redfern in Sydney... I've been there for about 6 years and love it though. You get used to the feralness after a while :) Like I said, I had a 5/6/7 class, also for the first time and pregnant so I had a few interesting days, but the kids were really into the whole pregnancy thing and now I think they feel like they kinda own him!! I had spent the previous three years as the teacher-librarian and wanted a change back into the classroom - little did I know I'd fall pregnant so quickly :D

When are you thinking about going back? And what fraction of time? I'm thinking of having all of next year off and then going back at the start of 2011 part time (2 or 3 days a week) either into the library again or try out a JP class. The girl who's baby shower I went to wants to go back at the same time so we might share a class. The great thing is she lives just around the corner from me and we're good friends so our bubs will be able to grow up together and we'll have our own little mother's group without the nasty pieces of work I've read about in this thread!! Now I'm counting down til she has her bub (due in December) so I can have some company :thumbsup:

I will be going back at the start of 2011. Full time I think. But I may weigh my options part time. Will need to convince my DH.

When my paid leave runs out in March, I am going to do two days a week supply. Which is really part time work, except no planning or reports :thumbsup: $300 a day is pretty good. I love to spend money so I have to go and earn some.

I have been at my school 6 years as well. Grades 4/5/6 were the grades I had. I also needed a change. It was definately easier being pregnant teaching grade 5's. In Prep I struggled getting up from the floor and tiny chairs and putting out the obstacle course almost killed me. But it was fun and they are so cute.

kobesmum

31-10-2009, 15:50

Kobesmum OUCH on the toe! Hope it's not broken.

Not sure if it is but...its gone totally black and very swollen, I can't bend it or put too much weight on it :no:

Oh the perils of being a mum :laughing:

MiracleMum21

31-10-2009, 19:07

Where is this FB page?:confused:

Californication

31-10-2009, 20:23

So now just waiting for him to wake up so I can try the supplemental nursing system I bought. Arrived yesterday, so :fingerscrossed: as I am really hoping that this is the solution to our BF problems.

So it wasn't the best outcome. Got set up, got him on, had a few sucks, got milk, had a few more sucks then pulled off and started crying. I (probably stupidly) continued to try and he ended up screaming his head off. I gave up after about 5 minutes and gave him the bottle, tears running down my face the whole time he drank, and I couldn't even look at him I was so upset.

Hubby came home about 30 minutes later, and I was still crying. He's made me feel somewhat better saying it's a big change for William and he needs time to get used to it, which is true, but it still doesn't make me feel better.

Every time I have tried to get him on the boob, he screams after a few minutes. I've never felt this bad about it before though. Still feel flat and sad hours later.

I want to give up, but I also don't. I just don't know what to do anymore. I guess I saw a light at the end of the tunnel, and now the light has turned out to be a freight train that ran me over big time. I had pinned all my hopes on the SNS and thought it would work and after a few days/weeks we would go to "proper" BF and everything would be perfect. Guess it's going to take a couple of weeks to get him to take the SNS first.

I had a sleep this arvo while hubby looked after William, and he bought him in for a cuddle when I woke up, which made me cry more because I had blamed him for our BF problems.

I admit, I am a little worried that I am feeling this bad, but don't think it's PND. When I get upset, I get upset. I usually shake it off after a few hours so hopefully I will be OK tomorrow. I think it's just gotten to be too much. If the feeding would just fall into place, life would be perfect.

Guess it's time to hit google and do some research on babies refusing the breast. Have an appt with the CHN/LC in a week who might have more ideas as well.

Thanks for "listening." I do feel a bit better for getting it off my chest. Tomorrow is a new day, so I guess I will try again and see how we go.

kitty galore

31-10-2009, 21:33

So it wasn't the best outcome. Got set up, got him on, had a few sucks, got milk, had a few more sucks then pulled off and started crying. I (probably stupidly) continued to try and he ended up screaming his head off. I gave up after about 5 minutes and gave him the bottle, tears running down my face the whole time he drank, and I couldn't even look at him I was so upset.

Hubby came home about 30 minutes later, and I was still crying. He's made me feel somewhat better saying it's a big change for William and he needs time to get used to it, which is true, but it still doesn't make me feel better.

Every time I have tried to get him on the boob, he screams after a few minutes. I've never felt this bad about it before though. Still feel flat and sad hours later.

I want to give up, but I also don't. I just don't know what to do anymore. I guess I saw a light at the end of the tunnel, and now the light has turned out to be a freight train that ran me over big time. I had pinned all my hopes on the SNS and thought it would work and after a few days/weeks we would go to "proper" BF and everything would be perfect. Guess it's going to take a couple of weeks to get him to take the SNS first.

I had a sleep this arvo while hubby looked after William, and he bought him in for a cuddle when I woke up, which made me cry more because I had blamed him for our BF problems.

I admit, I am a little worried that I am feeling this bad, but don't think it's PND. When I get upset, I get upset. I usually shake it off after a few hours so hopefully I will be OK tomorrow. I think it's just gotten to be too much. If the feeding would just fall into place, life would be perfect.

Guess it's time to hit google and do some research on babies refusing the breast. Have an appt with the CHN/LC in a week who might have more ideas as well.

Thanks for "listening." I do feel a bit better for getting it off my chest. Tomorrow is a new day, so I guess I will try again and see how we go.

big, big :hugs: Clare, hang in there!
hopefully it is just william and you getting used to the different system, and things will settle in place soon. hopefully CHN/LC will be able to help too. you are doing great luv! Keep going if you can (you really seem like you want to keep trying at this), might take a few goes to get..?

It is all such a rollercoaster ride, maybe just as we are all thinking, hmmm, we are all approaching 3/4 month mark, getting a bit cruisey, our darling bubs are just reminding us to stay on our toes!:)

Finn has been doing that whole waking a hour later (funnily only during day sleeps) screaming like a madman over the last couple of days, and then just settles back relatively quickly with the dummy and a reset of his music/mobile. as with you, i don't know what that is all about. he has been pretty hideous today, probably the worst day we have had since he has been born, thank god he has gone to bed!

xxx
Nicole

kitty galore

31-10-2009, 21:36

Where is this FB page?:confused:

If you do a search on FB of Due in Aug 09 you should find our group, otherwise pm me and we can go from there....

JimJamsMum

01-11-2009, 07:07

FTP - You've certainly had a rough few months so hopefully the only way is up from here. With what you've had to endure it's no wonder that you're not feeling that great. I hope things start improving really soon. :hugs:

Hi ladies!

JimJamsMum, I have a carrier that she usually loves, if I can't get her to settle in her cot I just put her in that, the lady suggested trying to settle her for an hour then if she won't go down then get her up, so am trying that at the moment, it works sometimes but most of the time it doesn't!

Hopefully it will start working more often than not.

Not sure if it is but...its gone totally black and very swollen, I can't bend it or put too much weight on it :no:

Oh the perils of being a mum :laughing:

That doesn't sound too good. Maybe you should go to the docs and get it looked at.

ClareN - :hugs: I'm sorry the SNS hasn't lived up to your expectations. I think it was MyPrincessAmelie who said way back in the Due In August thread that "Breast is best but formula is fine". I know how much you want to BF but don't beat yourself up about it too much. I hope the LC can shed some light on things and help you out. BTW, you've done a sterling effort to get to where you have. I really hope that things work out.

To everyone who has a grumpy bum baby at the moment, keep the 12 week growth spurt in mind.

Brood Mare

01-11-2009, 07:51

Looks like we have a last minute announcement and some wonderful new news!

I don't know if anyone still reads this but anyway, we haven't had a computer at home for months and finally we do. So I'm happy to announce the arrival of our baby boy,

Seth James Parsons
3875 grams
13th August 2009

My love to all other new mums on bub hub. Oh, and I found out yesterday - I'm five weeks pregnant!!!! My bub is only 10 weeks old. Whoops!

Leanne :flowerz:

:yelclap::yelclap::yelclap:

MiracleMum21

01-11-2009, 12:18

Congratulations Leanne! :yelclap::smiliedance:

....Now im going out to buy a pregnancy test to make sure im NOT pregnant.....:eek:

Brood Mare

01-11-2009, 14:22

Congratulations Leanne! :yelclap::smiliedance:

....Now im going out to buy a pregnancy test to make sure im NOT pregnant.....:eek:

:eek: I am not sure whether to say good luck or not, but I hope you get the result your hoping for!

Butterflyqld

01-11-2009, 14:25

I haven't got my monthly friend either and Joshua is 10 weeks old.:p

Don't think I would be as both Hayden & Josh were IVF/FET. But you never know.

WTK

01-11-2009, 15:59

:eek::eek: I can't believe Jaesmummy is pregnant again. Reading her post gave me this really funny feeling, like, I was excited to be pregnant again as well? It was weird and lasted all of about 3 seconds ...
:flowerz: congratulations Jaesmummy :flowerz:

MM21 - good luck with the pregnancy test?

Butterflyqld - you never know ;)

ClareN - I hope you've had a better day today sweets. Thanks for the tips on baby massage too

AFMP - she has been a different baby since starting her on formula on Thursday. I'm still BF'ing the first 2 morning feeds but she now has a top up of 100ml every feed. There have been no screaming fits, no shades of purple, #2's at least once a day and for the past 2 nites she has slept from 10pm - 5am :yes: I feel so responsible tho, all this time my poor baby had been hungry. I just have to keep reminding myself that for the first 13 weeks of MP's life, I did the best I could.

Pangari

01-11-2009, 16:07

Congratulations Jaesmummy on the birth of Seth! And OMG....already pregnant again! Woweeeeeee! Did you plan to have them so close together? I would kind of like to have my next bub really close to Casper but am too scared still at the moment as I am still recovering from the shock of being a new mum! Wishing you all the best for this new pregnancy!

ClareN: Sorry to hear that you are feeling so flat after the SNS didn't work out as you had hoped. You might be right though, it may work out with a bit more practise. I have said it before and I will say it again, you deserve a gold star for all the effort you are putting into breast feeding. I can't remember...are you a member of the Aust BF Assoc? Have you called them? Knowing you, I am sure you have but they do have lactation consultants too, so an avenue worth considering if you haven't already. If you want, I could also give you my SILs email address. She is a nurse and worked in maternity and did the lactation consultant training. She was a great help to me when I had mastitis and without her I would have given up long ago. Let me know. I am sure she would answer any questions you may have and help in any way she can.

FTP: Big hugs to you! I know the pain of mastitis and it brought me as close to full blown depression as anything I have ever experienced and combined with Bailey's reflux problems you are truly going through the wars. I am so thrilled that you have found someone who wants to get to the bottom of his reflux. Take care and get well soon. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

WTK: You have done a sterling effort with Ms Penny! Don't you dare feel guilty. She is a beautiful girl and you are a super fabulous mummy.

AFM: I had a wonderful day yesterday. Did my first breast feed in a public place and then my second later in the day. The first was at a cafe in a shopping centre and thankfully Casper fed really calmly and it was uneventful. I kept myself covered with a muslin wrap. We were at the shopping centre buying summer clothes for Casper as we are really short of clothes that are suitable for really hot weather. Just went to BigW and got a whole lot of things for $5 each on sale. Then we drove half an hour to Mornington, which is a lovely seaside town that I have not been to before. My BIL was having his birthday at The Rocks which had bay views and is part of the yacht club. Was really nice and we will definitely be going back. When we got there it was time for Casper's 2pm feed so I just fed him at the table in front of all my inlaws but no one batted an eyelid and it all went without a hitch. Felt very proud of myself as it was something I had been very worried and anxious about.

Now for those of you interested in following a routine, here is the name of the book that I am using. It is called The New Contented Little Baby Book by Gina Ford. I am now moving Casper into the 8 to 12 week routine which incorporates one more feed during the day but the aim is to get him to sleep through the night without a feed from 11pm to 7am. Hmmmmnnnnn! Will let you know how we go with that!!! She suggests settling bubs when/if he wakes for his night feed with a small bottle of cooled boiled water. I will give it a go but don't like my chances. He has been like clockwork lately waking at 2.30am (which is supposed to be 4am according to the "routine") for a breast feed and then waking again at 5am. Rather than feeding him at 5am I have just been bringing him into bed with us and then he sleeps through to 7am-ish when he gets his first feed of the day. If anyone would like me to scan the relevant section and email it through to them, just PM me and I will do so.

WTK

01-11-2009, 16:16

Thanks Pangari :hugs:

Pangari

02-11-2009, 07:11

Well...update on the new "routine" that is supposed to help Casper sleep through the night by getting more milk into him during the day...

it was a total disaster! During the day...great...went down at 7pm after bath and feed, slept till 10pm. Got him up for his 10.30pm feed and change. Back to bed by 11pm at which point he was supposed to sleep all the way through to 7am...BUT...not my little angel. No, he was up at 2am. I popped the dummy back in, rubbed his tummy and he slept till 3am. Not too bad. At 3am he would not resettle with just the dummy so I tried the cooled boiled water. Ha ha ha! Silly mummy. He gagged and spat it out. I tried just rocking him. Ha ha ha! Not on your life mummy. So I gave in and gave him a quick feed. Back in bed by 3.44am. Awake again at 4am. His nappy stank so I changed it. Think it must be the remnants of the cold or something but his poos really wreak all of a sudden!! Anyway, another half hour to get him back to sleep. Then at 5am...wide awake again. Tried the dummy and rewrapping him but wouldn't sleep, so I brought him into bed. Slept perfectly till 7am in the crook of my arm! Cheeky little bugger!!!! So all in all, new routine was a dud! Will continue with the 'routine' but if he wakes in the night will feed and change him. Can't be dealing with that nonsense of being up every hour and a quick feed saves so much hassle. Oh well, was worth a shot!!!

We are off to the maternal health nurse today for his 8 week check. Last fortnight he put on 1.2kgs, the week before 1.5kgs, I wonder what today will bring. I am scared he is going to be a 10ft giant and eat us out of house and home!!! The nurse said she is going to award me the 'golden booby award'! At least he is not fading away, just driving his poor mummy slowly insane!!!

The good side of that is the weight is again starting to drop off me. He is literally eating the meat off my bones. I lost 10kgs immediately after the birth, another 3kgs in the next 6 weeks and in the last week another 3kgs. I did stack on nearly 20kgs by the end of my pregnancy and had at least 20kgs excess before getting pregnant, so I still would like to lose at least another 20kgs. Slowly but surely! Have a personal trainer starting with me in a couple of weeks. She will write a programme for me and for hubby using equipment we have at the house and things we can do from and around our home such as walking in the sand at the beach, rowing machine, free weights etc. Can't wait. Need to get in shape so I can go and ruin it again by getting preggers with the 2nd bub in 7 months or so!!!!

Anyway, my sis is coming over today which is fun. She gets today off as well as cup day.

Hope your little bubs were better behaved than mine last night. Big hugs and happy vibes to all!!!

Brood Mare

02-11-2009, 08:37

Oh Pangari, shame about your routine :( It did sound good though..
Good luck today though! Hopefully Casper is still putting on the weight! But from his past weigh ins, doesn't sound like that will be a problem :)

AFM - I have a relatively sensitive issue I'd like to discuss.. *exhales* Is anyone having sex yet? I mean successfully? The DH and I have no problems being aroused, but when its time to.. err boogy, I feel kinda tender inside, kinda like sore spasms, like bruised muscles. I am wondering if I am still not fully healed from labor..

sim081005

02-11-2009, 09:44

WTK you have given Miss Penny the best source of food for the first 3 months of her life. There is nothing to feel bad about. If she is hungry & you don't have enough then giving formula is the right thing to do & if you go insane you are no good to Miss Penny

Pangari sorry to hear the routine didn't work but at least you gave it a go. Maybe he is just so in love with your boobie juice that he just can't bare the thought of being away from it for too long

Mimmi hope that you & Keiran get over your colds soon, it can't be any fun. As for DTD, well I have now gone over the 12 month mark. (Yes I know I had Mason less than 12 months ago but he was an IUI bubby) First it was the fun has gone out of DTD as we had been trying for 2 years, then I had the bleed so we were told no hanky panky, that period passed but DH just couldn't do it as he was scared he would hurt bubs (Yeah right he is so big that he will hurt a bubby!!!) & since having Mason, he has not been able to get past my wound that was open for so long & since that has closed we have wanted too but either Mason has been screaming his head off or we are just too dame tired!!! BUT if I don't get some soon I really am going to go insane!!!

I do know my gf had the same issue as you though, she said hers got better after bf. Not sure if that was what stopped the pain or not

AFM Mason is certainly showing signs of getting better (sigh of relief) he slept the previous night 10.25 hours straight & then 10 hours last night. He is also feeding longer & yesterday we had over 30 minutes of Mason reading a book with Gram (yes Gram) and laughing & smiling. This has NEVER happened so it was so nice

FTP hope Bailey is responding to his Losec as well. I have had you in my thoughts the whole time

JimJamsMum

02-11-2009, 10:55

Jaesmummy - congratulations and ... OMG!! Congratulations.

WTK - that's awesome that the formula is helping MP so much. If she's hungry she's hungry and thank goodness we have such great formula here that we can give it to babies in these situations. As for not realising she was hungry well you wouldn't be the first and since she can't talk yet you can't really blame yourself.
Pangari - too bad the routine didn't work. I too have decided it's much easier to get up to a bub for 30 minutes to feed rather than jumping in and out of bed for hours trying to settle them. If they are hungry they are hungry.

Mimmi based on the news you posted from jaesmummy some people obviously are dtd :laughing: As for pain you should be fully healed. Are you sure have enough lubrication? BF can interfere with that so make sure. Or perhaps try different positions. If it continues to cause problems maybe go see a doc to make sure all is okay.

Gotta dash and attend to hungry bub. Ciao!

WTK

02-11-2009, 11:30

Thanks Sim and JJM :):)

I think I'm getting AF ... :(

firsttimeparents

02-11-2009, 13:36

Hi ladies,

Thanks heaps for your beautiful wishes. Bailey and I have had it tough this past 5 days. I have continued to BF him through the most excruciating pain in both my boobs. Today I just could not do it any more and gave him some soy formula. WTK I am in the same boa as you and was starving my boy. Because I am so stressed my milk supply has dwindled to virtually nothing. He has now been asleep for 1 and a half hours with only 1 resettling. :smiliedance: I am hoping that this will help settle him as his meds start to work to stop his reflux burning. I feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders, but also feel a tad like I have failed.We will work it out. I suppose WTK on the plus side of formula tomorrow for the races we can have a couple of glasses of champagne lol

Some good news DH and I went out for tea on Sat night and he pulled out the most amazing eternity ring from him and Bailey. It made me cry. He has been designing it with the jeweller for the past 2 months. :cloud9:

Jaesmummy-congratulations!!!

Mimmi-we still have not dtd but hoping to soon once I am less stressed!

Pangari-sorry the routine didn't work just keep trying it may take a few nights.

BFQ-they say that once people have IVF they sometimes fall pregnant naturally because the pressure is off them to conceive-so you never never know.

Sim & WTK: thank you for your beautiful messages it means alot to me :hugs:

Sorry if I have missed anyone in the personals.

Anyways thanks again ladies you are all wonderful!!!

PuRpLeSkY

02-11-2009, 13:46

Hi ladies:wave:
Pangari, sorry to hear the new routine isn't going so well, maybe after a few tries it might get better?

Sim, I'm so happy that Mason is improving, 10 hours is so awesome! hope he keeps it up for you as you deserve a reward for all you have been through!

WTK, I'm happy the formula is working well for you, just know you have done a wonderful job, being mothers is the hardest job we will ever have to do!

AFM, Well things with Sahara are still up and down, I did get her to sleep in her cot for over an hour yesterday then that was it until after 11 last night, then she slept till 4.30 which was great but still it's driving me bonkers during the day, it's such a struggle to be consistent but I'm doing my best! and right now she is sleeping in her cot so I'm thankful for the spare time, not sure how long it will last though!
I may also be moving some time after christmas as where I am now is driving me a bit crazy, the house has very little insulation so therefore I can hear every little thing, the neighbours dog barking outside Sahara's window, the neighbour playing very loud music at night, drunks walking up my street and then the other night my drunk brother turning up unannouced on my doorstep and I had only just got Sahara down and then to sleep myself, he brought his friends over who I don't know and wanted to come in, it was 20 to 12! I wasn't happy and actually a little frigthened as I didn't know these guys and my brother was very drunk and has been known to get aggressive sometimes. So my mother in law is looking at houses atm, I'm thinking I might move to ocean grove to be closer to her and it's alot quieter and I love it there, so maybe after chrissy we are thinking would be a good time. It will be hard in some ways as I will be leaving the house I shared with Julian, but he hated this house anyway and wanted to move and I can take all his things with me which is good.

Anyway I'm going to go now, I can hardly believe my little princess is still asleep!

Brood Mare

02-11-2009, 15:16

Ok random question! My father seems to think that Keiran is ready to take the Jolly Jumper for a spin.
When do you think using the Jolly Jumper would be a good idea to start using?

sim081005

02-11-2009, 16:02

Ok random question! My father seems to think that Keiran is ready to take the Jolly Jumper for a spin.
When do you think using the Jolly Jumper would be a good idea to start using?
Mason got given one the other day & it suggests from 3 months on as long as they have good head control

We put Mason in it the other day for 5 minutes. He got the idea but even though he has REALLY good head control the bouncing was too much for him to control his head. I might try again in a few weeks. Also Mason is into blowing bubbles, there was a little puddle of spit on the floorboards

Brood Mare

02-11-2009, 16:23

Mason got given one the other day & it suggests from 3 months on as long as they have good head control

We put Mason in it the other day for 5 minutes. He got the idea but even though he has REALLY good head control the bouncing was too much for him to control his head. I might try again in a few weeks. Also Mason is into blowing bubbles, there was a little puddle of spit on the floorboards

Haha, Keiran has pretty good head control, and he will be 3 months this Saturday. So I might give it a shot, see how it goes. I'll take some pictures :P

And as for the spit puddle. I can relate Keiran is really getting good at that himself :)

sim081005

02-11-2009, 16:51

I just sorted out the top of Mason's cupboard where I chuck all his clothes that are too small or are for next & after. Well I am all emotional as I had forgotten how little he really was & how much he has grown up already. As much as it has been a bumpy ride for he & I, I will never have that time with him again.

I have made my mind up that I am going back for more. This is hard work but there is no price or words that can replace the smiles, laughs & every memory that these amazing creations give us on a daily basis

OK enough of me being all mushy

Californication

02-11-2009, 19:38

Thanks Myprincessamelie, JimJamsMum, WTK and Pangari for your hugs, kind words and support. I've picked myself up and dusted myself off and after doing some reading and talking to my CHN/LC today (she has excellent timing - rang to see how I was going before I could call her to talk), have some new ideas and will persevere a bit longer. It could just be that he didn't like the way I was holding him yesterday, so we are going to feed him the bottle in a BF position, do lots more skin to skin and see how that works. He's been receptive so far. He even sucked at the breast for about 5 minutes after a feed today! That's the most he's ever done. Going to try the SNS again in a day or two. He has his shots tomorrow, so hopefully that won't upset him too much. I'm giving him until his 12 week check before making any decision to quit.

Pangari - I haven't rung the ABA yet, but have been going through their website and ordered a couple of their booklets. I think if I didn't have access to the CHN/LC, I would have, but she's been really good. Thanks too for the offer of your SIL's details. If these new ideas don't work, I'll get back to you on that!

sim081005

02-11-2009, 20:05

Clare I am so sorry I forgot to post to say I look up to you as you are so devoted to your son & his needs. I take my hat off to you. No one could ever accuse you of not giving it a fair go

Californication

02-11-2009, 20:23

Clare I am so sorry I forgot to post to say I look up to you as you are so devoted to your son & his needs. I take my hat off to you. No one could ever accuse you of not giving it a fair go

Right back at ya babe :)

WTK

03-11-2009, 06:36

It's official, AF is here :(

Brood Mare

03-11-2009, 08:00

It's official, AF is here :(

I understand *hugs*

AFM- My DH and I had a relatively large falling out last night, and I really feel the need to vent...

Yesterday, my house remained cool until 5pm! 5pm! And the house got increasingly sticky, and Keiran was irritable, and didn't fall asleep til 11pm, which is waaay past his bed time. Naturally I got increasingly irritable.
My DH came home from work also quiet annoyed, but for a different reason, his boss has told him that his job is officially over as of a month from now, due to him being unreliable. Reason for that, my husband took 2 days off last week to take care of his sick son and wife, even knowing that his work, is severly under staffed, and chock filled with overdue work.
When my DH gets into these moods, he distances himself, by sitting in front of his PC, and playing video games.
As long as my relationship has been with my husband, our number 1 issue has always been the amount of time he has on the PC. I classify myself as a PC widow.
Anyway, this has been long coming, and it was coming to a boiling point. I was getting frustrated with Keiran, maybe cause it was hot, maybe cause he was hot and unhappy. But the fact was, my DH was not there to help me, and it got to me. So when it was time for him to slip into bed, while I was still awake, I cracked it. Another night of me doing everything, and him doing nothing.
We rowed, and ended up sleeping in different rooms, he knew I was angry, cause I did not cry, I told him to leave me alone, and he knew that I was incredibly ****ed off. This is when he doesn't know when to leave me alone, he then insists to help out, when it has gone beyond that point of him helping out. Which resulted with me telling to **** off even more. Which resulted with him yelling at me, telling me that I WANT to be alone. I retaliated and said. "It's because I have given up asking for help"
It ended with that...
Followed swiftly by a midnight phone call from his mother... you can imagine what he was talking about..
Anyway this morning he has informed me, that my MIL has invited me up with bubs, to get away from my DH. If my DH has paid any attention, that the last thing I want is distance, I want help from him.

I needed to write this down, so, sorry and thanks.

Pangari

03-11-2009, 08:26

Well ladies, we got through the night much better last night. He woke at 2am like clockwork! Same as every other night in his short life, but I just gave him the bottle of cooled boiled water which had 2 tablespoons of apricot juice in it this time as recommended by the "routine" chick. He loved it. Had half a dozen sucks and went straight back to sleep till 4am. Same as before, gave him the bottle and he sucked on it for a 5 mins and straight back to sleep till 5am. This time I woke DH (he NEVER hears him on his own...why is that???) and he went in to him. Usually at 5am I bring him into our bed and he just sleeps in my arms till 7am but we are hoping to get him out of that habit so DH attempted to give him some more water but as he had never had to feed him before had no clue how to hold him or the bottle so I had to get up anyway and give him a quick lesson. He drank for about 5 mins and then went back in the cot for another 40mins at which time DH picked him up and brought him into bed with us. He slept till 7am when I fed and changed him then went back to sleep with us. He is still sleeping in there with DH. I got up at 8.30am.

So still not perfect but a huge improvement and it will mean that DH can help out in the night time if he continues to wake up of a night. I will gradually reduce the amount of juice in the water until he is just taking water. I also got a better bottle yesterday as the one I used the night before was one the hospital gave me which they use for newborns and so I got a Tommy Tippee bottle that is supposed to more closely replicate the breast. He was much happier to take the bottle last night, so not entirely sure whether it was the new bottle that he liked, or the fact it was sweetened slightly with the juice.

He had his MHN check yesterday and had put on 305g in 11 days. Much less than the last 2 check ups but if he had kept going at that rate it would have scared the crap out of me. He is still way off the charts at 8.2kgs at 9 weeks and is now 66cm long. We hired a capsule for the car for 6 months but the height restriction is 70cm so we have to take it back very soon and get a big boy car seat!

His heart murmur has become very obvious now apparently which is not so pleasing. He has his visit to the peaediatric cardiologist on the 20th, so at least we will know what we are dealing with then and whether or not it is something he will grow out of, or whether it will need further attention.

He is finally over his cold and so I am taking him to get his shots on Thursday. :-( Really not looking forward to that. As DH will be working my folks are coming down to give me some moral support. Hopefully he will get through it ok. I have the baby panadol on hand just in case.

I am almost over my cold too. Just a huge swollen gland left on the right side of my throat. Feels worse at night when I am tired of course, but must be feeling better as I cleaned the whole house yesterday while my gorgeous sister looked after Casper. Also had a lovely play outside in the garden in the shade and let the little mite have some nappy free time. He loved it...****ing in the wind!

ClareN: Good on you girl! You will certainly know in your heart of hearts that you have given BF your best shot, no matter what the outcome. I hope you can get it to work and it certainly sounds promising. I have no doubt little William will get the hang of it with all the support you are getting and all the effort you are putting in.

WTK: Boo to AF returning! I guess it has to some time! We women really do have the short end of the stick when it comes to our bodily functions don't we. BTW I have been trying to figure out for weeks what AF stood for. I knew its meaning just not what the acrynym stood for. Finally figured it out...Aunty Flo!!!! Doh!!!!

Sim: So glad to hear that Mason has turned a corner. You are another fighter who has fought so hard for your beautiful little bub. It is wonderful that you have finally got the right support to help both you and him. Great news. Soooooooooo happy for you both.

FTP: Ditto for you! Sounds like things are looking up for you too and what a super wonderful hubby and bubby getting you that heartfelt, stunning eternity ring. You certainly deserve a bit of pampering and a treat to distract you from all the challenges you have faced.

Well I am off to place a bet on the Melbourne Cup! I always back a grey if there is one in the field as I had a grey horse as a child and then just look at the horse names and pick a name that stands out to me and then usually back a horse based on the colours the jockey wears. Certainly don't read the form guide!!!! Much more fun to just take a random punt in my opinion. All a bit of fun. My grandfather used to take me and help us put a bet on a horse and even if our horse came last, we seemed to win money! Hmmmmmnnnnn!!!!

Have a great day chickas!

Pangari

03-11-2009, 08:32

Mimmi: Our posts crossed. Big hugs. Men can be such twats sometimes. I am sure you two will sort it out. Perhaps when the dust settles a bit you can discuss a few things that your DH can help with every day so that he takes more of the burden off you. I had to do that with my hubby and I also sat him down and we agreed a time limit for him to be on his PC!!!! Hope everything works out and feel free to vent any time.

noidea

03-11-2009, 09:23

It has been so long since I posted and I hate it! I keep up to date with everyone's posts while I'm feeding Carys so I feel like I'm still involved but then sometimes I do get annoyed that I never have the time to come and vent or share what's happening with me.

When does everyone find the time to post here? I'm guessing it's while bubs is asleep? I tend to run around doing housework etc while she's asleep but I'm beginning to realise that I need some 'me' time and that it might just be ok for me to come here and catch up/post something first. I might try that from now on...see how I go!

I had to come and post something this morning after reading Mimmi's post.

Mimmi: I cannot even begin to tell you how much I can relate. I had a meltdown a couple of weeks ago after DH once again just toddled off to bed leaving me up with a dirty kitchen and a hungry baby. It was another 2 hours before I could go to bed after feeding/changing bub, cleaning the kitchen, getting her bottles ready for the night etc. The thing is that I was also too scared to bring it up with him as he seems to be of the opinion that since he is the one that goes to work that everything else is my responsibility. I have to admit I used to think the same thing when I was working...that I'd be ok to do everything...but now I've realised my job is 24/7. He only has to work 40 hours a week! Anyway I didn't want to fight with him (we've been doing a bit of that lately) so I didn't say anything and instead got quite depressed and down about it all. He picked up on it and we ended up talking about it. I said even if all he did before he went to bed was said "is there anything I can do to help" that would make me feel so much better even if ended up saying no! He said he'd try harder and explained this was all new for him and it would take some time to find the right balance. The thing that was annoying me was that he still get so much time to do what he wants to do (spend time on the compter or playing xbox or playing guitar etc) and I can't even come on here and write a post because I'm either looking after Carys or cleaning the house! Anyway I felt much better after that and he asked me a few nights after that whether there was anything I could do and I mostly said no but it just made me feel better that he was offering. I can't say he's made a drastic change and I can't remember him asking that recently but I seem to be ok and I definitely know now that it's ok to ask for help. I have an issue asking for help and I always argue it's because I don't think I should have to...but of course men are just different to us and don't always know what to do..

ANYWAY...I wanted to come and give you a big :hugs:because I truly know how you are feeling. Oh and how awful that rings his Mum when you fight? That would drive me crazy!

Pangari: Glad to hear you had a better night and the routine is semi working for you. How scary re Casper's heart murmur. I really hope that is something he grows out of! I'm greally glad you're on the mend from your cold too. What a good little weight gainer he is! I worry that Carys is not putting on enough...las week was only 100g but the nurse at the baby clinic I go to (who is also my lactation consultant and knows my breastfeeding issues etc) seems happy with her gain. She is 12 weeks now and only 5.6kg! The last time I visited the GP she measured her as 63cm long! Some people have commented she looks very long and lean but she doesn't look skinny to me. She still has those lovely fat rolls around her thighs...

Oh and the Tommee Tippee Closer to Nature bottles are great aren't they? I've been using those since week 1 with Carys and I think they are the reason she has no problem switching between breast and bottle!

WTK: :hugs: AF has threatened me a few times but thankfully so far I've been safe. No fair she's joined you already! Also just wanted to let you know I totally understand how you feel about Miss Penny and the formula. I am still giving Carys 90ml every feed after a very brief breastfeed so I can relate. I remember the first time I gave her a formula top up I felt so guilty that I had been resisting giving it to her as I finally saw how hungry she was! You've done an incredible job with her though...and I think you should be so proud...

Gotta run....she just woke up...hope to be back to continue...

Brood Mare

03-11-2009, 11:44

Well, things are looking kinda bad for us right now. My DH has requested a night away from bubs for some us alone time.
I am willing to do it, if it means saving us.. cause he used the words.. "Growing apart" which usually doesn't sound to promising in a marriage.
For some damn reason, I have failed at the whole family thing now..

I have asked my mother to baby sit for a night on the weekend. She didn't sound keen.. but has agreed to do it.

JimJamsMum

03-11-2009, 12:08

Mimmi - I can totally relate. DH and I had massive issues after DS1 was born and we ended up having relationship counselling because it got so bad. Anyway, some things I have since learnt are: new dads often have feelings of jealously and sadness because mums have to spend so much time with the bub. They may feel as though they have been replaced especially if you are BF. You may be appearing completely in control and competent and your DH may not even realise that you need help. My DH also became resentful because he could no longer sleep in (DS1 made too much noise) and I got into trouble for making too much noise in the morning getting housework done or I was in trouble for the house being too messy :confused: Most of the focus is on the new mum and bub and dad might be feeling left out.

You have NOT failed at the family thing. For a family to work everyone has to play their part. Your DH needs to realise that he is now responsible for providing for a wife and child. That also means that he may have to give up some parts of his life just as you have. Men like to feel useful so it may help if you explain to him that looking after Keiran is a 24/7 job and you need his help because you can't do it on your own. As for "growing apart" I believe that is man-speak for "I'm not getting enough attention." If he doesn't want you to grow apart he needs to understand that he needs to be alongside you on the parenthood journey, not hanging behind at his previous life.

It's a really good idea for you and him to have some time alone without Keiran. When DS1 was a baby we would leave him with his grandparents from time to time for just a few hours to have some time to ourselves. It's really important to focus on your relationship and keep it healthy. When you do have some time away from Keiran try to do something fun that you used to do before he was born.

New babies are a massive adjustment for everyone so it's no wonder that most couples run into some problems.

Heaps of :hugs: to you. I hope things get better and you can both sort it out.

noidea

03-11-2009, 12:26

:hugs: Mimmi...hopefully you guys will spend some time together and talk about things. Having a baby is such a stressful time for a marriage...I can attest to that first hand.

ClareN...You are honestly my hero. I am in awe of all that you have done for your little one. I have tried and failed at regular expressing...I just don't know how you do it. I have also tried the SNS (Did you get the Medela one?) and found it so frustrating. I just found it hard to get the tubes taped in the right spot and then trying to get them in bubs mouth at the same time as nipple was near impossible. I was semi-successful with it in the early days but then had a few weeks break from it and now Carys just hates it and will fuss and cry so much I have given up. It upsets me as I feel I should try and persevere with it as I know it will stimulate my nipples for more milk but she is so happy with the bottle that I feel guilty for trying to make her drink from the SNS. Anyway I just wanted to give you a big :hugs:. You are such an amazing Mummy and I admire your tenacity and strength. If you ever want to chat please contact me on facebook and I'll send you my phone number. We have similiar (but different) issues with breastfeeding and sometimes it helps to know someone else understands. I sometimes feel very alone with my journey as I really do seem to be a minority with my low supply issues due to insufficient glandular tissue. Oh and congratulations on the 5 minute suck from bubs! That's definitely a step in the right direction!

sim - that was so sweet but sad...made me realise how much I have to cherish every second with Carys and not be upset when I need to go do things but instead have to sit and rock her to sleep...

As for us...I started a VERY loose routine in that anytime after 5pm I will give Carys a bath (either before or after a feed depending on when she's fed/awake etc) and then put her in her grobag and hope she'll get the message it's bedtime! She was in a great routine where she was sleeping the night through from around 10-11pm till 5-6am, however she was sleeping very little during the day...she would only sleep for 20-40 minutes and most of that was spent in my arms rocking her as I was too scared to put her down as she'd wake up!

But the last few days I have been in the habit of having an afternoon sleep for 3 hours(!!!) and she has been joining me. We have a little bed in the middle of our bed for her (First Years Safe and Secure) and though she wasn't sleeping during the day she would happily fall asleep next to me in that...So now she's in the habit of a 3 hour sleep from around 3pm and that seems to have disrupted her all night sleep! Aarrgh! So she's now sleeping again from about 10pm till 2am...awake for a feed and then back to sleep again till 5.30am, another feed and usually I can get her to sleep till 7.30am or 8am. So I'm really feeling the 2am wakeups at the moment as I had it so good for awhile there!

I know not a lot of people don't like the idea of co-sleeping but we have so enjoyed having Carys sleeping next to us. My mind has been at ease as I know we can't squash her in her little bed and she's up nice and high with her grobag on so I know she can't get covered with our doona. Problem is she's now pretty much outgrown it as she is really long. So last night I put the Arms Reach Co-Sleeper I bought when I was pregnant back in the room and attached it to the bed. She didn't like it when she was first born (she slept SO much better snuggled up next to me) but I'm hoping now she's older she won't mind that little bit of extra space between us...It will give DH and I bit more room too as even though we have a King Bed, we are both not small people so have been finding it quite squashy with her bed in between us. However when I told DH I was putting her in the Co-Sleeper next to me he was a little upset and said he hadn't had time to get used to her not being there, so we decided to keep her between us for another night or too so he can get used to the idea and enjoy his last few nights of her next to him (how cute is that?).

My BF situation is still the same. Still low milk supply, so top her up with 90ml of formula every feed. I'm getting used to the idea that this is just the way it is and will probably be like this for the next baby too. It makes me so sad as I would really love to 100% breastfeed and I feel like it is so unfair that I was one of the small minority of women who can't but I've tried everything I can to increase my supply and nothing has worked.

We've already started talking about another one. I'd like to wait till Carys is at least 1 before we try again but I can't wait too long as I am 35 now and we went through IVF and though we were lucky in that I got pregnant 2 out of 3 times (lost the first one due to chromosome abnormality), we never know how long it will take to happen next time. We have 2 frozen embryos left so we would put both those in next time (I seem to have better success with putting 2 in rather than 1 and besides they are frozen together so I have to put 2 in or one goes to waste). But I'm secretly hoping that it will happen naturally before that even though I know the chances in our case are low due to our particular issues. But I can always hope!

I just can't believe how time is flying! I don't want my little girl to grow up. I love her so much as she is...She is 12 weeks and 4 days today! Crazy. I keep reminding myself to enjoy every single second.

OK....I've got to go...she just woke up! There...I just spent her 20 minute sleep writing this instead of cleaning the house or doing washing etc. Yay me! And I've just gone out to check on her and she's awake in her swing smiling away. So sweet. How I adore her!

noidea

03-11-2009, 12:29

You have NOT failed at the family thing. For a family to work everyone has to play their part. Your DH needs to realise that he is now responsible for providing for a wife and child. That also means that he may have to give up some parts of his life just as you have. Men like to feel useful so it may help if you explain to him that looking after Keiran is a 24/7 job and you need his help because you can't do it on your own. As for "growing apart" I believe that is man-speak for "I'm not getting enough attention." If he doesn't want you to grow apart he needs to understand that he needs to be alongside you on the parenthood journey, not hanging behind at his previous life.

It's a really good idea for you and him to have some time alone without Keiran. When DS1 was a baby we would leave him with his grandparents from time to time for just a few hours to have some time to ourselves. It's really important to focus on your relationship and keep it healthy. When you do have some time away from Keiran try to do something fun that you used to do before he was born.

Awesome, awesome advice Jimjam :thumbsup:

Whitey78

03-11-2009, 15:36

Hi Ladies!

Been away for a while and I missed you all! Also have literally missed a LOT!! Am trying to catch up but so much has been happening with you all.

Jaesmum - OMG!!!!! I would die if that was me! I want another one ... but not until I've forgotten how hard this part is!

Mimmi- hugs to you. Really hope the couple time helps. It is bloody hard to juggle baby, household and also find the time to catch up with hubby, oh yeah and satisfy your own needs!

ClareN - echo everyone else's praise of you, you are super devoted to this bubs and he has certainly getting the best start possible to his life.

FTP - you have had a very rough time. A friedn of mine went through something similar, now she has a gorgeous 18month old boy. Sometimes its hard to see the light at the end of the very long tunnel, but it is there!

Sim - Same goes for you. Hope Mason is getting a bit better.

Pangari - you're doing such a good job with this routine! Hope it keeps working for you.
Hey how is Snickers going now? Am assuming all good???

WTK - AF - what a biatch! Surely she could have left you alone for a bit longer!

Purplesky - must be hard to imaging leaving the house you shared with Julian, but it sounds like it will be for the best to get you to a better area and closer to MIL's help.

As per usual there are SO many more things I need to say but I have forgotten so sorry to those I've missed.

AFM - Angus is still really annoying me during the day and only catnapping - is IMPOSSIBLE to get anything else done.
I was at my mums for a few days last week and he was a nightmare - did not enjoy the change of scenery at all and was awake a lot at night. Been home one night now and he went back to his old habits of screaming for a few hours then finally sleeping about 8:30pm, followed by waking at 2am and then not until 8:30am - I can def handle the screaming if it means sleep like that! Before we left though he was in bed even earlier and minus the screaming so really hoping we can find that magic again soon. However I am still remaining remarkably sane and have just resigned myself to the fact that this is how life is for me at the moment, it won't be forever (even though it sometimes feels like it!) and I will get some me time again one day ... but right now its just all about Angus.

OK gotta run, my auntie is here but Angus has cracked it with her.

Hope to be back to chat soon
x

MiracleMum21

03-11-2009, 17:40

:eek: I am not sure whether to say good luck or not, but I hope you get the result your hoping for!

PHEW!!
Not Pregnant! :yelclap:
Not that i had any signs of pregnancy, but leanne is the 3rd woman ive heard of thats fallen preggers with a newborn baby in the last month, and it was freaking me out....
We have been DTD since jake was 2 weeks old and AF hasnt returned since Jakes birth, but from what ive heard, you dont need her to to fall preggers.

Brood Mare

03-11-2009, 18:05

PHEW!!
Not Pregnant! :yelclap:
Not that i had any signs of pregnancy, but leanne is the 3rd woman ive heard of thats fallen preggers with a newborn baby in the last month, and it was freaking me out....
We have been DTD since jake was 2 weeks old and AF hasnt returned since Jakes birth, but from what ive heard, you dont need her to to fall preggers.

My MIL got pregnant 6wks after her 3rd baby, and she was on the mini pill. :dizzy:

Californication

03-11-2009, 19:00

PuRpLeSkY - Good on you for moving. Sounds like the house you're in isn't great for you and Sahara, so I hope you find a fantastic place for the two of you. Hope she's been sleeping better for you too :)

WTK - AF sucks. I think I got mine last week, but it could have just been from starting the mini pill as was weird. But it might not have been. You'd think we'd get a bit more of a break though, hey? How is MP going on the formula? Hope it's helping her. And as others have said, you're not a failure for giving formula. Without it, William would have wasted away by now. We do what we gotta do for our little ones, and you are doing great.

Mimmi - I hope the couple time helps you guys out. JJM is right that having a bubs is stressful and men just don't "get it." I don't think we should have to ask our partners for help, but we do. I think it's because typically we are the nurturers and men are the hunter gatherers, so we handle the babies and men don't really know what to do with them when they are little!! I think it was Noidea who said to tell them exactly what you want which is great advice. We expect them to "know" but they don't! Maybe give him a specific task - like the bath or giving an expressed bottle. Would be good bonding for him and give you some "me" time. And whoever said to give a time limit on the PC is right, so you could try that too.

Pangari - Sounds like Casper is making progress on his night sleeps - hope he keeps it up for you! And as for DH not hearing him, I can get up to William in the night for a feed and DH will say in the morning, he slept all night. I reply, yes, until 4/5 when I got up to feed him. :rolleyes: And yes, the Tommee Tippee's are great. It's what the hospital recommended to us and I think I would have more BF issues if we weren't using them. Sounds like he had another good weight gain too! I still think Pro Basketballer :) Glad you are both feeling better and hope that you get good news on the 20th. Not sure if I said before, but my sister has a HM and it's never caused her any problems, so hopefully your little guy won't have any either. Good luck with your shots this week. William had his today and has been a little grizzly, but not too bad.

Noidea - Thank you for your kind words. You girls have really helped me bounce back and push on. I don't know about everyone else, but I mainly post when pumping. Can't do much else! So I have 3 hours of internet/TV/time to kill while torturing the boobies :) That and I don't worry so much about the housework. I keep on top of the kitchen during the week and do washing, but that's about it. With pumping, there's not enough hours in the day to do a heap of HW as well! Hubby helps out on weekends, so we do the bulk of it together. As for the BF stuff in your post, I'll FB e-mail you as you are right in that we are going through much of the same things and we can help each other through it! And good on you for posting and leaving the HW :)

Thanks Whitey. Like you said, it's all about them now, and I think you are doing a great job too. I guess we all have our struggles, and BF is mine! Though in comparison to some of the medical issues some bubs are having, I have it easy. I hope that Angus settles down now that you guys are home. I had a tiny taste of the afternoon screaming sessions last week for a few days and I don't know how you guys do it every day. It's upsetting to see them so upset!

Sim and FTP - how are your bubs going? I hope the meds are continuing to work and that they are a lot more settled now. Poor wee mites.

I think this post is way long enough now, so will bugger off :)

sim081005

03-11-2009, 19:39

Just a quick update from me

Mason is still responding well to his meds but we will still have the screaming during the day until his digestive system heals & the amount of acid in his tummy settles down. So another month or 2 until he will hopefully be a happy bubby all the time. Maybe that will be my xmas present just before I go back to work :(

On the plus side, he is feeding longer & slightly longer sleeps at night and wait for it ....... he has had 2 45 minutes sleeps today. There is a god out there

Well I am off to bed as I have done 15 loads of washing this weekend, scrubbed the shower, done a detailed vaccum & mop, changed all the beds & sorted through all of Mason's clothes. I am buggared

kobesmum

03-11-2009, 20:57

Hi ladies,

Hope you are all having a restful evening

Sim: Glad to hear Mason is responding to the meds, lets hope the improvement continues and you soon have a smiley, happy bub all the time :) As for all that housework - are you crazy!! Although I must admit that I occasionally have a cleaning frenzy then slacken off for a week or so, just doing dishes and clothes. Then the floor starts to crunch and I have to clean :rolleyes:

Clare: I think you're amazing - you have put so much effort into getting the BF going - I feel a little guilty when I read your posts coz I have it easy in comparison. You are an inspiration. So glad to hear you're feeling a little more positive too - I always find that a good smile or chuckle from Kobe sends the negative thoughts away.

Whitey: Kobe is a serial catnapper too. I'm following the Baby Bliss routine (well trying to) where they recommend keeping bub in the cot for as long as they are supposed to be asleep (unless they get really upset) and try to resettle them - easier said than done I know:confused: But I've been persevering this last week and have noticed that while Kobe is still waking after 40 minutes, he's still quite sleepy when I go in to him instead of wide awake like he used to be, and if I spend a good 20 mins resettling him I'm successful about half the time!! When I'm not successful, he usually burps or poos soon after being picked up! I'm going to keep trying this routine/resettling stuff, it's very tiring and time consuming but hopefully it'll be worth it.

Mimmi: So sorry to hear about your troubles with DH. Men truly are clueless :no: I hope your alone time will help him - he needs to realise that he's not number 1 at the moment, and won't be for a while. Good luck :hugs:

AFM: Well I think Kobe has a blocked tear duct as his eye is running constantly and getting quite gunky. I've read up about it and called the Parent Helpline and apparently it usually clears itself up by about 6 months. If it doesn't then he'll have to have surgery to unblock it. Has anyone else's bubs had this and found it fixed itself without surgery?

I know earlier in the thread people were talking about the swine flu vaccine... Well the other day DH, Kobe and I were in BigW looking at the camping gear when this random stranger came up to us and said "Have you had the swine flu vaccine?" DH replied that we hadn't and the man quickly replied "Don't get it - it will kill you. I'm just an ordinary dad who wants to warn people about the vaccine" He then handed DH a piece of paper and urged him to read it carefully. I had a look when we got home and it was basically some religious group explaining that the UN is trying to depopulate the world by giving us this vaccine for a harmless illness which will kill us. It claims that the vaccine contains the blood of chickens, cows and - grossest of all - human embryonic fluid. What nut jobs!! I had a good giggle but then felt kinda sorry for the kids of this 'regular dad'. Some people will believe anything.

Anyway I've dribbled on long enough - hope you all get lots of zzzzzzzs tonight :sleeping:

noidea

04-11-2009, 22:03

omg!!! I can't believe no one has posted today and that it will be me posting out of everyone!

Whitey: Carys is a catnapper too...I have moments where it drives me crazy but then I try to remember she won't be this age forever and I then try to enjoy our time together instead of thinking about everything I'm not doing! In saying that she slept for 3 hours this afternoon! Crazy! Very rare for her during the day! Especially since we both had a nice sleep in this morning from 6.30am till 9.30am.

kobesmum: That blocked tear duct sounds awful..I really hope it clears up soon. I haven't experienced it or heard of it so am of no help sorry! That swine flu guy sounds like a crazy experience!

Mimmi: - how are things with DH? Hope things have settled down.

As for Princess Carys and I: she had a restless night last night. We transferred her from her little bed in between us to the Arms Reach Co-Sleeper bassinet attached to our bed last night. I felt better as she has much more room in the bassinet and is still close though I felt a little sad as not quite as close to me as she was. Anyway I put her in there about 11.30pm and she spent a bit of time thrashing around...kicking her legs at the same time really hard and turning her head side to side. Does anyone else's bub do this? I can't work out if it is wind or reflux maybe? She eventually went back to sleep but woke up again about 12.45 doing the same thing so I fed her and put her down. She seemed to have more trouble than usual getting back to sleep (doing the same thrashing kind of thing). I eventually got her back to sleep by putting my hand on her and trying to keep her dummy in as she keeps losing it when she's thrashing about. She then woke up again at 5.45am. She fell asleep on my shoulder as I was burping her and then woke up as soon as I put her down doing the thrashing thing. I'm wondering if it's reflux which is worse because the bassinet is so flat. The bed we had in her before had a slight incline on it so her head was slightly higher than her feet. So I've put some phone books under the bassinet on the end where her head is to see if that helps tonight. The bassinet is also a lot more firm than what she was on before so maybe that makes a difference too.

We had a lovely morning though. After her 5.45am feed I put her in the bed next to me as DH was already up getting ready for work and we slept next to each other till about 9.30am. It was such a lovely morning. I love having her so close to me and sleeping with my arm around her...sigh...

MiracleMum21

04-11-2009, 23:01

Well, Jake is now 9 weeks old.:yelclap:
He is growing nicely; He is now 5.5kg and 60cm long.

He is all smiles and Giggles, Much to the delight of my Partner, Glen. :)

He is still Breastfeeding well, although he does seem to need a 100-150ml top up of expressed breast milk before bed.

He has been sleeping well, and often. However, this past week has been a bit troublesome as he doesnt want to sleep in his bed, and is still WIDE awake at 1:30am!! (fortunatly im a night owl!)

We have also noticed that he is very fractious when Glen gets home from a week away at work. He tends to frown and cry at him alot for the first day hes home, then for the next 3-4 days that Glens home, Jake doesnt want to know me....its all dad dad DAD! :D
(Accept when its bOOby time)

We are going to the swimming pool for the first time tomorrow, with our mothers group.:smiliedance:
Weve been practising in the big bath, so far so good. :)

JimJamsMum

05-11-2009, 10:23

Hellooooo, where is everyone? Maybe all the Melbourne mummies have run away to a tropical island together. Thanks for telling the rest of us :D

Leanda

05-11-2009, 10:36

Heehee, Im lurkin on my phone during a feed ... soo much to catch up on though!

firsttimeparents

05-11-2009, 12:35

Hi all,

It is very quiet in here this week hope everyone is ok?

Just a quick update to let you all no that Bailey is coming along well, we still have a few issues, but he seems to be much more settled. He is adapting well to the formula which is good and the meds seem to have finally started to work :smiliedance:

I am ok have booked myself in to see a psychiatrist (sp) in a few weeks to talk about what we have had to go through over the past few months so I am actuallly looking forward to this.

On a positive note Bailey woke after his usual 30 min sleep and I left him for a bit and he self settled to go back to sleep now for 1 and a half hours. Yay there is a lord up there lol

JJM- I wish we could run away to a tropical island that would be lovely :)

Sim: We won't be able to make it to the meet up as we will be in Perth that week for my highschool reunion and some friends 30ths. Bummer will def come to the next one. Hope Mason and you are well?

Miracle mum-I am very glad to see you are all doing so well keep up the good work :)

No idea-lets hope its just a bad night for you guys and Carys gets used to sleeping in her big girl bed. It very well could be a bit of reflux because Bailey does the same thing thrashes about for a while and then will have a vomit.

Kobes Mum-sorry don't know anything about blocked tear ducts, but :fingerscrossed: it clears up without surgery.

Whitey- I hope Angus is happier now and not cat napping as much, but I do no how you feel about the cat napping.

Mimmi- I am very sorry to hear about the problems with Dh. I am sending some positive marriage vibes your way sweety. Hopefully the time you spend together without bubs will be good for you both. Chin up chicky :hugs: to you.

Any ways have a great afternoon ladies

Californication

05-11-2009, 13:20

Sim - that is great news that Mason is responding. Not so great that it will take his poor tummy so long to heal. BUT at least it will heal. That must be such a relief for you. And are you mental??? You should be resting and taking it easy, not doing all that housework!!!!!

Kobesmum - Thanks :) How's the big toe?? And Kobe's eye? I don't know anything about them either, but my book says what the PHL told you, but without any mention of surgery. Says "mostly clears up on it's own in the first few months", so maybe surgery isn't usually required :fingerscrossed:. The only thing I can think of for the gunk is breastmilk. I know Pangari used it for Casper's conjunctivitus and it cleared it up, so it could help?? BM is full of antibodies, so couldn't hurt anyway.

Noidea - :laughing: Would have been nice if we were on an island as JJM's suggested but I was at Mum's group, then shopping and didn't have anything interesting to say!! How did PC go for her second night in her big girls bed?

Firsttimeparents - That is great that Bailey is doing well! I'm glad that you are going to go talk to someone too. You've been through a lot and it's good to get it all out sometimes!

Oppss - Little boy is stirring so I'd better go shove some food into him. We're off to a BF support group meeting in an hour - quite excited about it. They meet monthly so will be good to talk to others about our issues and hear their stories!

Pangari

05-11-2009, 15:06

Back again...how funny...it did go really quiet there for a while but seems like things are picking up again here!

Kobesmum: I would definitely try expressing a little bit of breast milk into Kobe's eye. The gunk would be a slight infection from the blockage in the tear duct and at least the breast milk would help clear up the infection. It did work wonders for Casper's conjunctivitis. I just hand expressed some milk into a sterilised cup and then got a dropper and dropped milk into each eye up to 6 times a day for about 3 days. The maternal health nurse recommended it and it was amazing. Takes a bit of perserverance but worth a shot and heaps better than surgery if it can be avoided.

NoIdea: I think your idea of raising the head end of Carys' new little bed is a good idea. Casper hated his cot/bassinette for ages and my mum suggested raising the head end as my eldest brother had been the same and it worked for him. Since doing that he has been much more settled in there. Are you still swaddling Carys'? If not, perhaps you could try wrapping her again for a day or so while she gets used to her new bed. It may just be that she is so used to being close to you that she feels a bit exposed in her new more spacious little bed and that is setting off her startle reflex again. It doesn't sound so much like reflux at this stage as just an adjustment to the change of environment. Big step for a little baby! You are being a very brave mummy! I bring Casper into bed with me every morning at 5am when he wakes like clockwork and won't resettle. I love that time with him. He settles in the crook of my arm and just coos and snuggles up. Smells soooo lovely and just looks like a little angel. I will miss it when it stops.

FTP: Sooooo glad to hear that things are on the improve for both you and Bailey. That is great news. Bummer that we won't be seeing you at the next Melb catch up but there will be plenty more for us to all get together again.

Sim: You are a super star for again organising us Melb girls for our next catch up. I am really looking forward to it.

AFM & Casper: Well we had the nasty needles today. His 8 week immunisations. Definitely harder on mummy than bubby. I took Whitey's MILs tip and fed him on one boob before the injections and so he was very sleepy and took the oral one without any fuss (certainly much better than he used to take Gripe water), had a bit of a cry with the first injection and then howled the place down with the second but was soon consoled with some more booby juice. So far, he seems fine and doesn't seem too much different to his normal little self. Having a nice sleep now after some tummy time in the garden this afternoon. Hope there are no further side effects to come, but I am prepared having bought a thermometer and some baby panadol!

We had the third of our parent group sessions yesterday. Was a lovely session with all of us mummies bringing blankets to put our bubs on and they spent nearly an hour wriggling and squirming about on the floor while we chatted and took in the info. I seem to have landed in a group with a whole lot of big boy babies so Casper doesn't look too out of place. He is still the biggest but a couple of the other boys are not far behind which makes me feel he is more 'normal'! Even the one girl in our group is quite big so that is good and she did her first ever roll from her back to her tummy yesterday. Her mum was so chuffed and we all clapped her efforts. Was very cute.

Anyway, here is a link to a video that I took of all the wriggly worms...

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/video/video.php?v=190166233178&ref=mf

DH reckons they look like they are going to grow up to be skinheads as they are all baldies except for our gorgeous little girl, Sabine.

Hope you and your beautiful babies are all thriving and enjoying your days!!!

Brood Mare

05-11-2009, 20:47

Sorry ladies, I wont be talking to much until Saturday. My stinky internet has been capped, and it is almost impossible to browse anything... MOST ANNOYING!

Keiran got to meet his great grandfather today, and it was certainly the most heart breaking thing ever...
I haven't seen my grandfather in a year, and he didn't know I was pregnant, or that I had even had him. I saw him today, and he is almost..well.. a vegetable. He kept fazing out and mistaking me as my mother. I honestly had no idea what to say to him, so it was awkward. I let him browse through Keiran's baby album and take what ever pictures he liked, and then went home.
I am just glad he got to meet Keiran.

Butterflyqld

06-11-2009, 14:31

I am just glad he got to meet Keiran.
:iagree:

:) I felt the same way when Josh met his great granddad.

Pangari

06-11-2009, 17:24

Mimmi: Big hugs. Wonderful that you gave Keiran that opportunity and even though it was hard and distressing it is lovely that you made the effort and you just never know what your grandfather might have gotten out of your visit. I miss my grandparents so much.

and it's very quiet today...where are you all?

Sim: How did you get on with the paed? You and Mason are in my thoughts. Big hugs.

Casper and i spent the arvo down at the beach. Was just lovely! Bee-u-dee-ful day here in Melbs!

noidea

06-11-2009, 17:44

I can't believe how quiet it is in here!

Pangari: Nice that you are so close to the beach! I wish I was as I'd love to walk along the water. I'm so bored of walking around my neighbourhood (not that I have for ages as it is too hot at the moment and of course the magpies are out in full force).
How did Casper go after his injections? Hopefully you didn't need the baby panadol!

Mimmi: Really sad about your grandfather but so nice that he got to meet Kieran!

ClareN: How did your BF support group go? I keep trying to get to an ABA meeting but the one time I actually made it, they had cancelled it due to illness! doh! I do worry though about pulling out a bottle in front of all the breastfeeders...but I'm hoping they will be understanding of my situation.

firsttimeparents: So glad to hear Bailey is on the improve and wow how great... a 1.5 hour sleep after self settling! What a little champion!

MiracleMum21: Nice to have an update on Jake! How did he go in the pool? I really want to start swimming lessons with Carys soon. Except that means I'll need to put a bathing suit on...*gulp*

As for Princess Carys and I well I am continuing my habit of making some 'me' time first before going straight to do laundry, cleaning up etc and I must say I feel better for it. We had a big morning of going to the library for Babies, Books and Rhymes where we sit and sing songs for half an hour (very cute) and then off to have lunch and some shopping with a friend and her little boy and I came home really exhausted. Carys was really grizzly and cried a lot which is really unlike her. I think she had wind as when I picked her up and put her on my shoulder and rubbed her back she'd do a few burps and stop crying but this pattern kept repeating itself the whole time we were out. I just find it really exhausting when she's like that! Anyway I was so tired when I got home that after feeding her and her falling asleep after another crying and then burping session, that I decided to sit on my recliner and watch some tv. I even had a half hour nap and now I'm in the office on the computer instead of doing laundry and unpacking the dishwasher! I know as soon as I start unpacking the dishwasher she'll wake up so I think I'll have a bit more me time thank you!

She's been sleeping ok in her new bed. I did put the telephone books under the head part of the bassinet and it might've helped a bit. She hasn't been thrashing quite so much as she was. She's still waking up after 4-5 hours of sleep which is fine but I really would love her to go back to her all night sleeps again...they didn't last long :confused:

I have a couple of questions:
Where is everyone bathing their babies? I'm still using the baby bath on a stand. Wondering when I should transfer her over to the 'big' bath. She splashes SO much in it and puts water all over her bedroom floor which is not a problem as it's timber floors but still wondering if she'd be better in our big bath. Just don't really fancy kneeling down etc to bath her.

Does anyone have central airconditioning and if so are you using it and what temperature do you put it in? I use Grobags for her to sleep in and they and SIDS guidelines say it should be between 16 and 20 degrees in the room. But does anyone else find this REALLY cold? I set the air-con to 22-23 and the room pretty much stays that temp though by early morning it has dropped to 20 or sometimes less and I am freezing. I don't want her to overheat but I'm also worried about it being too cold? I find the whole temperature thing so confusing! I dress her in a long sleeve onesie and the grobag and this seems like a lot but we pretty much have our air-con on all the time as both my husband and I hate being hot!

sim081005

06-11-2009, 17:47

A big :wave: from me

For those of you not on facebook, I will bring you up to speed.

Mason has been getting worse over the last few days & yesterday was back to the start with him crying from 11.30am to basically 11.30pm last night with only 3 naps of 20 minutes. I left him in his cot for over an hour yesterday as it didn't matter if I was holding him or not. This made me feel even worse as I felt I was being a bad mother. Anyway, I rang mum last night & broke down. I have given in & am waving the white flag. I have PND & a baby who screams at me in pain wanting help but I just can't help him.

I rang my Paed today & she has told me to up his dosage of Losec to 5mg morning & night & use mylanta to help ease his pain for the next few days & then only use it when the reflux is very bad.

I am getting Mason weighted again on Tuesday as we are worried he has not had a good weight gain over the last week & as he is already over 1kg under weight, I am scared.

At the end of the day I have a wonderful Paed who wants me to ring her tomorrow & up date her (yes even on a Saturday) and she has been up front & told me that I still have a few months to go until he is a very happy baby.

I have the sleep clinic coming here on Monday to help to settle Mason as well as give me a hand at home even if it is to have a meal!!!

Well I am off to feed the little mite. Sorry for the ME post but I am hoping in a few days I can come back & do lots of personals & rave about how lovelly Mason is

Also thanks to FTP as catching up with you today lifted my spirits as you know exactly what I am going through & how hard it is

kitty galore

06-11-2009, 18:50

hey Sim big, big :hugs: for you and darling Mason, sounds like you have alot of support.
And FTP, big :hugs:to you as well.
Even though our situations are very different (my Amelie has cerebral palsy), I know what you are all going through in the way of fear of unknown, worrying about now and down the track for bubs etc. Amelie wasn't all that much older than our Aug bubs now when she was first diagnosed. but as you are all doing, we just get on with it, don't we! as if there is any other option! That is great FTP for you to talk to someone about it, I wish I had've had someone to talk to, but all the paeds, neuro paeds, physios and OT's have acted as fill in counsellors over the years I spose! A quick update on Amelie, she gets botox every six months in her arm/hand and leg/foot. She was assessed the other day, and the docs are delaying her next lot of botox for another 3 months, as she has improved so, so much that they want to continue to work on her strength, so that is a huge yay for us!!
AND she was 4 yesterday, so we had a nice little family get together for her.
noidea - baby baths - we have moved into the big bath as Finn was donking his head on the baby bath, he was just way too long. he splashes about like crazy in the big bath - Amelie jumps in there straight after him, so that saves us a lot of time/water. I can't wait til he is big enough for them to have a bath together!
air con - we have our air con going in the b/room before Finn goes to bed, then we have it turned off - I am also paranoid about him being too cold.
FTP - are you a perth girl originally? NOR or SOR???
I liked MM21's update on Jake too - made me think maybe we should start a new thread of monthly updates or something like that? have a standard update of weight/length/milestones etc etc? Thoughts?
FB group - Clare, I agree - maybe we start a new one called Aug Mummies? I also do not know even close to half of the people in the Due in Aug group...I am happy to start the group if no-one else wants to be an admin?

hope everyone else is well...

Nicole

PuRpLeSkY

06-11-2009, 21:22

Hi everyone:wave:

Sim, I really hope the extra doses of meds helps poor little Mason, you are doing a wonderful job so don't ever forget that, I can't imagine how hard it must be for you and I really hope you get a break soon.

Mimmi, I think it's a special thing that Keiran got to meet his great granddad, even though it must of been hard for you seeing him like that, I can totally relate.

Noidea, I'm still using the baby bath, don't want to use the big one yet as it is so low to the ground my back would kill me! as for the air con, I don't have any and have no idea what the temp is in her room, I just feel her forehead and go from there, so far have had no problems

AFM, well Sahara had her injections yesterday, she went ok screamed abit then fell asleep! but last night was tough as she kept waking every 1-2 hours even though she slept with me.
She has gotten slightly better during the day, she'll have one or two 30-40 minute sleeps in her cot but still having a fair bit of trouble getting her down, and still so tired of her not sleeping till 10 or 11 at night, she is down right now but might wake up any moment. I find it really hard having any kind of routine with her, it's such a struggle! and now I'm worried she won't drink from a bottle, I tried her tonight and she refused so I'm worried I'll never be able to get her baby sat as she'll only breastfeed!

Butterflyqld

06-11-2009, 22:19

FB group - Clare, I agree - maybe we start a new one called Aug Mummies? I also do not know even close to half of the people in the Due in Aug group...I am happy to start the group if no-one else wants to be an admin?

:iagree:
I would like that. I can't find the other group on FB.

Purplesky: Josh was unsettled with the needles for a couple of days and then was back to normal. I am sure she will be back to her beautiful self soon. What bottles and teats are you using?

myprincessamelie: Happy Birthday to Amelie :flowerz: How does the botox work?

sim081005: Good luck with the sleep clinic and Mason's weigh in. It is great you have such wonderful support from your mum and doctors. :)

noidea: I am still using a baby bath but I use it on the ledge in my bathroom. Hayden has discovered it again as well. He now sits in the baby bath in the big bath each night. Will your bath sit on the basin? Aircon- just had ducted put in yesterday yippee. I would set my at 24 and just gauge it. If I am cold, I would cover Joshua with a thicker blanket. 16-20 seems extremely cold.

Pangari: Sounds like you had a great day at the beach. What type of thermometer did you buy? My doctor says the ear ones are hopeless. If you do it three times and great the same reading it would be ok. I am using the ovulating thermometer. It takes forever but it gives an accurate reading. At night I use the ear one to give a quick reading as it has a handy light to find the ear.

Clare: How did your BF meeting go? I read in one of your post that William suck on your booby for 5 minutes after a feed. What a great start. How is he going now? Congratulations on your dedication to keep up with BF. :thumbsup::)

We had a scare the other day. It was the day after Josh's needles. He had a slight temp 38 and unsettled. Not drinking properly, he seemed to gurping and not attaching properly which has never happened before. Vomitting and then I looked at his fingernails and they were purple. I thought to myself this is not normal and called the 13 health line. The nurse asked afew questions, like if he was struggling to breath. He was taking some short shallow breaths. This is where I got scared, when she said she was calling the ambulance. As these symptoms could be a sign that his body is shutting down to cool it self. His arms and legs were also changing colour (patchy). So the ambulance came, checked him out, thought we should go to hospital to just to get the all clear. At the hospital Josh slept peacefully and I looked at his arms and legs and they were back to their normal colour. So I thought about going home as we were sitting there for three hours already. But when he woke up, they would once again go all motally( if that is correct) patchy and purple. My thoughts were that he was struggling to get oxgyen in as he woke up with a cough and blocked nose. To cut a long story short 6 hours later we were home and we were told it may have been a reaction to the needles and they told me it was nothing to worry about. But I wasn't given an explanation for why. And I got a few strange looks for the doctors. But like every ones tells me, it was better to be safe than sorry.

Now he is back to his normal self. :yelclap:

kitty galore

06-11-2009, 23:35

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=189346246659&ref=search&sid=761964305.520388524..1

OK August Ladies, I took the bull by the horns and I have started a new facebook group. To the mums I am already friends with on fb, i will send you an invite, and to the others, hopefully the link above will take you to the group, and you will have to request to join - as with our Due group, i am making it private to members of group only....

hope it works!!

N
xxx

Brood Mare

07-11-2009, 06:11

Hoooray for UNCAPPED internet! It isn't fun having to wait 5mins for a page to load, it took me back to my high school days, where anything up to 5mins was normal! HAVE NO IDEA HOW I THOUGHT THAT WAS OK!

Well today! I am taking Keiran to spend the night at his grandma's place, so the DH and I can have some time to recharge our batteries, and talk things through.
I am not overly keen about having to travel today in the heat, but *sighs* I have to.
I am hoping bubs will get used to the heat, since this week is meant to be really hot... ugh. SUMMER is early grrr

kitty galore

07-11-2009, 09:59

myprincessamelie: Happy Birthday to Amelie :flowerz: How does the botox work?

Thanks BQLD, the botox is injected into her muscles which are too tight, i.e have the spasticity. so she is left with very weak muscle strength for around 4/5 months. This is the time that we build on her muscles, building on her strength (intense PT/OT/hydrotherapy etc). By the time the botox wears off we have hopefully done enough, and then it is a new round of botox! I have always maintained that the docs should throw some botox my way but sadly they won't!!!:laughing:

We had a scare the other day. It was the day after Josh's needles. He had a slight temp 38 and unsettled. Not drinking properly, he seemed to gurping and not attaching properly which has never happened before. Vomitting and then I looked at his fingernails and they were purple. I thought to myself this is not normal and called the 13 health line. The nurse asked afew questions, like if he was struggling to breath. He was taking some short shallow breaths. This is where I got scared, when she said she was calling the ambulance. As these symptoms could be a sign that his body is shutting down to cool it self. His arms and legs were also changing colour (patchy). So the ambulance came, checked him out, thought we should go to hospital to just to get the all clear. At the hospital Josh slept peacefully and I looked at his arms and legs and they were back to their normal colour. So I thought about going home as we were sitting there for three hours already. But when he woke up, they would once again go all motally( if that is correct) patchy and purple. My thoughts were that he was struggling to get oxgyen in as he woke up with a cough and blocked nose. To cut a long story short 6 hours later we were home and we were told it may have been a reaction to the needles and they told me it was nothing to worry about. But I wasn't given an explanation for why. And I got a few strange looks for the doctors. But like every ones tells me, it was better to be safe than sorry.

Now he is back to his normal self. :yelclap:

Wow, what a scary day!! It is much better to be safe than sorry! Good to hear he is back to his normal self!

And I have created a new FB group, link is in my earlier post! August 2009 mums, it is called.

Mimmi - hopefully you can enjoy your night off - I found it very weird the first few times Amelie stayed at grandparents, didn't know what to do with myself!

firsttimeparents

07-11-2009, 10:12

Hi ladies,

Sim:you are very welcome any time sweety :) It's nice to talk to somebody else who is going through the same sorts of things as you. Lets hope that the double dose helps Mason soon.

Mimmi-Good luck tonight enjoy the time together :)

MPA-Yep originally a Perth girl lived in the city for a long time. Am really looking forward to going back and introducing Bailey to the family. Oh and going to the beach lol. Nothing beats the Perth beaches.
Our nephew also has CP and has the botox injections but it doesn't seem to be helping his little legs :(

BFQ-wow what a scarey thing to go through I am really glad that all is ok. I get so paranoid about injections.

Purple Sky: I really can't offer any suggestions but I can say hang in there. Maybe ask your MCHN or ABA for some advice on how to help introduce a bottle to Sahara. Good luck

No idea-Dh baths Bailey in the big bath he loves it as he is a big splasher so he can splash away and it's alot easier than filling/emptying the baby bath. We have central air con adn have the temp set on 20 degrees and even then it can get cold. if you are cold then generally bubs will be cold too.

AFM: Bailey and I went to the chiropractor this morning so :fingerscrossed: it helps him with his reflux etc.
Mind you yesterday he made a lier out of me and had 2x 2 hour sleeps so I think the losec is starting to work.:smiliedance:

Anyways enjoy this nice Melbourne weather yay I love summer (sorry MImmi)

Whitey78

07-11-2009, 11:20

Sim - my heart goes out to you. i know all too well what a screaming baby can do for your mental state. it is so tough when nothing seems to work to soothe them. Really hope the extra doses help you out so you can enjoy Mason even more.

Pangari - how cool - a day at the beach! I'd love that! I am also contemplating taking Angus swimming this summer but way to scared to get into the bathers ... and as for the bikini line ... don't even go there!!! Gone is my time for Brazillians!

FTP - great to hear you are getting on a bit better now and glad you are going to talk to someone about it :hugs:

MPA - thanks for organising the FB group!

Mimmi - hope tonight helps you and your DH to talk through some things. Will be thinking of you.

BFQ - what a scary reaction, you def did the right thing taking him to hospy and would help you feel much better too knowing he is ok.

Purplesky - hope you and Sahara find some kind of routine. It is annoying not knowing how long they will sleep for and so hard to know what to do when they are awake when they should be sleeping.

AFM - Angus had a great night last night. Asleep by 6:30pm, woke at 1:30am and then again this morning at 6:45am - if he keeps this up I just might start to feel normal again! Still no long sleeps during the day but I usually just leave him in his bouncer to look out the window until he gets too shirty. Sometime v difficult to make the 3-4hours between feeds - actually who am I kidding, can't remember the last time he went 4hrs during the day between a feed!

Hope you're all having a good weekend
:)

Californication

07-11-2009, 13:58

Pangari - did you take Casper into the water? Thinking we should take William to the beach, but he's so little!!

Noidea - Good girl Carys for sleeping in her big bed! In answer to your ?'s, we are still using the baby bath, but I don't think that will last much longer as William is getting a bit long for it. I'm dreading the move to the big bath as not sure my knee will hold up to kneeling, and my back will suffer if I bend! Think i'll end up sitting on the floor :) We don't have aircon, but I asked about temps at Mum's group as hubby will say he is hot, and I'll be freezing! Generally, they say to have bubs in one more layer than you, and if they feel hot, check the back of the neck. If that is hot and sweaty, take off a layer. If their head is cold, check their tummy. If that is warm, they are OK. If tummy is cold, put more layers on and use your body heat to warm them. Hope that helps. And if you do get to an ABA meeting, I'm sure they won't worry about you pulling out a bottle. The fact that you are there shows you want to BF!

Sim - You are not a bad mother. You're doing all that you can for your little man, and it might be working if you got smiles and giggles this morning! Hope the sleep clinic helps and the weigh in goes well.

Myprincessamelie - thanks for starting the new FB group :yelclap: I'm a hopeless FB'er. I read, but rarely post. Might have to change that! I think and update thread is a good idea too. Maybe we can post once a month with our weights and measures and stuff?

PuRpLeSkY - Hope Sahara is doing better today.

Butterflyqld - Glad Josh is OK after the dash to emergency. What a weird thing to happen - must have been scary for you. I think they should have told you why though, or told you they didn't know why, as Josh has more needles to have and maybe there are things you could look out for?? Hopefully it was a one off.

Mimmi - good luck for tonight.

AFM - the BF support group was good. Felt a bit weird at the start as there were only 4 of us there, but then a couple of others came and it livened up a bit. Told my story and got to hear their stories, so even though we all have different issues, or no issues, it was good to hear that it's not uncommon to struggle.

Haven't had much success after Monday's 5 minute suck though. I'm wondering if the needles have just made him feel a bit "off". He was grizzly Tues arvo, but I expected that, but he's been waking up early and just seems quieter than normal. I mean usually after a feed he will babble away in his chair for at least 30 minutes, but he's not been talking much the last couple of days. Still babbles when I get him up though. He wasn't keen when I tried him on the boob Thurs arvo, so haven't pushed him as he's just doesn't appear interested, whereas Monday he was looking at my boob. My other thought is a growth spurt as he's also hungrier, but I thought the next one was 12 weeks??

Brood Mare

08-11-2009, 06:53

Well it was weird having a baby free house last night. I still woke up around the same time he would of for a feed. And caught BOTH my cats sitting in his cot for the FIRST time ever.
My mum had called me to tell me everything was alright, and told me she was giving him a little bit of water to keep him hydrated and he seems to be fine. I hope so..
I feel as if I was still in the days of being pregnant. No baby, but lots of baby equipment to remind me that I will have one (again) soon.
Me and the DH will be getting a lift to mum's place to pick him up, then we will be busing/training the way home. We hope to get there early today, to beat the heat today.
I just hope our house stays cool enough...
Meanwhile, my boobs are a poppin. So very full..

I finally got a call back on that chest of drawers that were being repaired for me, back when I was still 25wks pregnant... last time I ask a friend to have it done. Baby is well here, and i still have no where to put his blankets!

On a different note.. I'm hungry! :p

JimJamsMum

08-11-2009, 06:56

NoIdea - we are still cramming Daniel into his baby bath. You can buy things to kneel on that support you while you're bathing baby in the big bath. Sorry can't be more specific but if you have a look/ask in a baby shop they might be able to help. You can also buy slings to lay baby on while in the bath which can help too.

Sim - I'm really feeling for you and Mason. I hope things start to improve soon and that the weigh-in and sleep clinic goes well this week. Don't EVER apologise for the "you post" you are well entitled to have a good cry to us whenever you feel like it. :hugs:

Purplesky- have you tried letting someone else give Sahara a bottle while you're not there? Babies often won't take a bottle from their BF mother but will take it if there's no other option. The first few times I wanted my babies to have a bottle I just went down the street a bit before they were due for a feed. DH gave them the bottle but I wasn't too far away in case things went pear-shaped.

Mimmi - how was your night with just you and your DH? I hope it went well and you enjoyed the time alone :)

After three nights with Daniel waking at 3am I finally figured out he was getting cold. So last night I gave him the extra thick blanket on top of his sleeping bag and he slept for twelve hours. :yelclap: What I want to know is why did it take me so long to figure that out :confused: :laughing:

Californication

08-11-2009, 09:19

After three nights with Daniel waking at 3am I finally figured out he was getting cold. So last night I gave him the extra thick blanket on top of his sleeping bag and he slept for twelve hours. :yelclap: What I want to know is why did it take me so long to figure that out :confused: :laughing:

Probably the same reason it took me 3 weeks to figure out that William making noise in the night did not mean he was awake and hungry! I'd hear him, get up, he'd be asleep, I'd think, I'm up now, may as well feed him, he'd drink a little but not much and fall asleep! The night I decided to wait until he cried and he slept 8 hours!!!

I still have baby brain, so add in being tired = not so clever Clare.

sim081005

08-11-2009, 10:51

After three nights with Daniel waking at 3am I finally figured out he was getting cold. So last night I gave him the extra thick blanket on top of his sleeping bag and he slept for twelve hours. :yelclap: What I want to know is why did it take me so long to figure that out :confused: :laughing:
I think it is cos we have it drummed into us not to over heat bubs. I was the same with Mason until mum told me to try another layer of clothes. It ended 2 more layers as he doesn't have much fat on him but he started to sleep well. He is now at 9 to 10 hours!!!

Brood Mare

08-11-2009, 11:49

Keiran is home now, and fast asleep on his mat on the floor. My mum took good care of him. He apparently slept from 9:30pm right through til 5:30M last night. Naturally I am incredibly annoyed at the fact it never happens for me, but for everyone else.
I have finally decided though that he is going to be on formula from now on, since it seems to fill him up much better the breast milk. I have been feeling like a bit of a failure since my breastmilk doesn't seem to cut it anymore. So I am going to see how this goes.

MiracleMum21

08-11-2009, 12:32

Dont feel like a failure Mimmi!
I wouldnt throw in the towel completely, If you just keep at the breastfeeding it does get easier!!
Your body IS making enough for Keirran, and its rare for a baby of his age to sleep through the night like that.

What if you just supplement fed him in the evening before bed?
The Benefits of breastfeeding far outweigh JUST a sleep through the night.
He WILL eventually sleep through, just give it time.
I would hate for you to make a choice you may later regret.

Pangari

08-11-2009, 16:30

Hey Mimmi...I agree with MM21! You are not failing. Keiran is putting on weight and seems like a lovely, healthy happy boy on your breast milk. Perhaps try a combo of BF and formula before bed like MM21 suggested and see what happens before completely chucking n the towel. Casper is nowhere near sleeping through the night either but that is perfectly normal at this age. You are doing a great job!

Sim: So good to hear that Mason is on the improve again. Hope this means thst you are able to get a bit more 'you' time and rest!!!

AFM & Casper: Busy day yesterday. Had my 20 year school reunion at a pub in Port Melbourne. Total mind spin. Was great catching up with everyone. Casper came along and was a total charmer. Picked up his first chick at a bar!!! Got a few kisses from ladies! Was weird though as most of my school friends had their babies young, so i was an old duck first time mum. I felt good though as heaps of them looked like they had given up and everyone said i hadn't aged at all!

After that raced home to feed, bath Casper and then we all headed off to my friends place for dinner. They have just had there 2nd bub, baby Harry, who is 6 weeks younger than Casper. He is such a cutie, with his shock of black hair. Seems so tiny compared to my rapidly growing boy and makes me realise just how fast he is growing up. Casper coped really well with being in and out of the car and being in unfamiliar surroundings. We got home around midnight and i fed him and he slept through to 6am. Seems to be the new night sleep pattern that is emerging...last feed of the day at 6ish, bath then in bed by 7ish, self settling and asleep by 7.30ish, night feed around midnight, then awake again around 5 or 6am when he comes into our bed for morning sleepy cuddles to 7am when he gets his first feed of the day. So we are finally down to only one overnight feed! Feels like a real beakthrough!!!

I am finally starting to enjoy motherhood and feel like I am at last coping with the challenges it brings. For the first 6 weeks i felt so overwhelmed and was often depressed but have at last turned the corner and feel somewhat in control. What a rollercoaster ride it has been but i love my little man and i wouldn't change a thing as it is our unique journey!

Hope all you Melbourne-ites are coping ok with the heat! Casper has been asleep since 2.55pm...it is now 5.20pm...think the heat is actually helping!

Brood Mare

08-11-2009, 18:23

Hope all you Melbourne-ites are coping ok with the heat! Casper has been asleep since 2.55pm...it is now 5.20pm...think the heat is actually helping!

Nope, I am not. My house made it to 27C with the air con. I am not impressed.
Keiran has been sleeping heavily through out the day, with water in between feeds. He is an unhappy little vegimite.

sim081005

08-11-2009, 19:10

Wekk Mason has been a little crabby today with reflux & heat but nothing will take away my happy mood. I have just been making sure I keep water to my little man & I have been very busy. I have sprayed the paving with weed killer & all the weeds in the garden, done all the washing (not put away yet), just gone for a lovely walk for 30 minutes which normally takes me 40 minutes so that means I am getting fitter & I am about to do some tummy exercises then clean the house. I feel like a new woman & I laid on the bed with Mason for an hour to have relax time

Oh how the warmer weather makes me feel so good

Pangari

08-11-2009, 19:28

Sim: Sooooo good to hear you are feeling good and are enjoying life again. What a busy bee you have been and 'tummy exercises'...I'm impressed!!! I have organised a personal trainer to start with me in 2 weeks as I am still scared of my body after the c-section. I have no idea what my body is capable of any more. She specialises in pregnant and post-natal women, so she will be great. I am only doing a couple of sessions with her to start me off and get a programme from her then we will move to bi-monthly catch ups.

DH, Casper and I had a lazy day today. Too hot to do much. Went out for a bite to eat at lunchtime and then this arvo we had a lovely hour with Casper on a blanket in the garden in the shade. We took off all his clothes and he just kicked about and smiled, giggled and chatted for ages. He also had fun piddling on me and daddy!!! Afterwards Casper had a bath with me. He loved it. Then I got out and helped him swim about in the water. He really enjoyed it. Might be a future swim champion!

Now DH and I are sitting down to watch the 2nd series of True Blood which we have on DVD!

Enjoy your Sunday evenings ladies.

Nadine25

09-11-2009, 09:19

Finally I manage to post again. Every time I get on here I only just manage to read a couple of posts and then I am needed by one of my girls LOL.

Pangari- How did you find the personal trainer? I want to get one because I need the motivation to start exercising and I know if I have a personal trainer it will be the kick up the butt I need LOL. I just want to get a good one that's all.

Mimmi- You have to do what is right for you sweety. But if you are only giving up breastfeeding so Mason sleeps longer at night, then I would suggest maybe comp feeding? Maybe give him one bottle of formula before bed at night. But be aware that introducing the bottle may result in him refusing you at some point. In the end though, do what works for you and Mason :)

Sim- That is wonderful that you are feeling alot better :hugs: I have been reading along but that is all I have had time to do between caring for my two princesses. So I am sorry for not being more of a support for you.

AFM- We are going fairly well. Things are starting to settle alot more and Mia is getting alot better and easier. She is fully formula fed during the day (up to her last feed at night) and when she wakes during the night (usually once sometimes twice) she will breastfeed. This was her choice. For some reason she wouldn't take me during the day anymore. I contacted aba and tried all the things they suggested (well some weren't possible when you have another child to look after. Well for me anyway) and nothing worked. I even tried using a supply line but she wouldn't latch on so that didn't work. So I have made peace with our feeding situation. The main thing for me is her being happy, which she is :)

She had her first sleep in her cot last night. Up untill then she was sleeping IN our bed. I started her with her day sleeps in her cot (rather then in the swing) and she got use to it very quickly. So last night we tried her in it and she went very well :)
She tends to have one big sleep per day of 2.5-3hrs. This is usually in the morning and then the afternoon consists of smaller naps.

Sogenerally we are travelling along quite well.

Pangari

09-11-2009, 09:32

So quiet on here these days. Must be lots of busy mummies out there!

Well after a lovely day yesterday, my cold decided to make a return appearance. I hardly slept at all last night from the combination of the heat, my blocked nose and having Casper in our room and him being unsettled. We had to bring him in so we could all have the benefit of the fan. He woke up heaps last night. I think he was hot and bothered by the heat and thirstier than usual, so ended up feeding him at 7pm, 10pm, 11.50pm, 2.40am, 5am, 6.30am and then 7am! It was exhausting!

So once again, I have swung from enjoying motherhood, to just wanting to go crawl under a rock for a while. I hate having a cold and the sleep deprivation makes it so much harder to recover from.

We need to get another small fan for Casper's room. The only aircon unit we have is at the back of the house. On the really hot days we will relocate everyone there for the nights.

Didn't do any grocery shopping on the weekend either and I can't be bothered going today. Might just have to eat bread and water.

Bit of a pathetic me post, but feels good to share and get it off my chest.

Pangari

09-11-2009, 09:35

Nadine: Good to hear from you again. Got my personal trainer through a brochure at my obstetricians office. You could try doing a google search and then ring a few and just check what their specialty is and what experience they have in working with pregnant and post-natal women.

JimJamsMum

09-11-2009, 13:38

So once again, I have swung from enjoying motherhood, to just wanting to go crawl under a rock for a while.

You might as well get used to this because it doesn't change. Some days are fabulous and some just suck. I hope your cold gets better soon. :)

Whitey78

09-11-2009, 14:49

Hello All,

been in and out trying to read a few posts during Angus' catnaps so can't remember enough to do personals - sorry!

Angus and I are HOT!!! Have got DH on the job of sorting out some A/C because it'll only get hotter. Problem is we live in an old station house, quite large and old (yes large good, old not so good - v high maintenance) so will cost us a bomb but luckily I have some $ from selling my house earlier this year so I don't care I just want some A/C!

Does anyone have any tips for helping bubs sleep longer? I cannot for the life of me work out why Angus wakes so quickly during th day and it is virtually impossible to get him to re-settle back to sleep. He cannot self settle and I don't know how to help him learn. Everyone tells me this is just a phase - but I think thats the excuse for everything that isn't going to plan!
Pangari you mentioned Casper self settles in the evening - you're a champion!!!

As for night time, we are trying to break away from the hammock and have Angus only in his cot. I always thought he slept better in his hammock but after a hell night of 3 hourly feeds while sleeping in his hammock, I have decided to make the break - if he's going to sleep he'll sleep anywhere, doesn't seem to matter if cot or hammock.

In other news our shearer's dog had kennel cough so now our farm dogs have got it but luckily my dog hasn't picked it up yet. It is so cruel, they cough and cough until they vomit and can't eat dry food because their throats are so sore - not nice. Glad it isn't contagious to humans.

OH and I keep forgetting to tell you about the diet - have not been eating dairy or wheat or soy for 3 weeks now and we have completely eliminated screaming in the late arvo/evenings - YAY! Yes he still cries when he is tired but no more screaming. Much much better ... oh except for the fact that I REALLY want to eat a quarter pounder with cheese and toast with lots of butter and a milkshake and ices cream ... the list goes on! BUT it is worth it for now. Will discuss with the MCHN tomorrow if I can ever eat dairy again!

Ok enough from me for today - have a nice relaxing, cool evening girlies!

sim081005

09-11-2009, 15:12

Whitey I just had the sleep clinic here. I will send you a PM either later today or tomorrow with the outcome

PuRpLeSkY

09-11-2009, 20:52

Well had Sahara's 8 week check up today and she is now 5.23 kilos, but she only put on the bare minimum which the lady said was still ok. But what I'm sick of is the constant questions about why Sahara isn't sleeping during the day, like has she got reflux? well hell the hell would I know? they are the professionals not me, have I got enough milk? once again how would I know the answer to that? then the lady says she thinks my supply is fine and that Sahara doesn't have reflux, then why ask me those questions at all?, then I ask her if it's ok to give Sahara some cool boiled water during the day cause it's so hot and she said no not until she is 6 months, and then I asked whether giving abit of formula might help with the sleep issue, and she said no it probably won't. I then told her how out of control I feel, that there is no routine, that Sahara's feed patterns are all over the place, her sleep patterns aren't much better, the lady said it's normal and that usually in the late arvo babies sometimes need to feed more and may do so every hour! but another nurse a few weeks ago said not to feed Sahara under 2 hours as all she will get is the sugar fix, I'm so dam confused and not feeling really good, basically there is nothing I can do to help the situation I have and I keep getting conflicting info it's so bloody annoying! I felt like I wanted to cry.

And the last week or so I have been feeling really sad, I think I'm coming out of the shock of losing Julian and now the reality is hitting me, I keep dreaming about him, the house is a constant reminder, it really feels like a nightmare, like I keep thinking did all that really happen? I'm not having a break down or anything just feeling a lot at the moment and have booked in to see my therapist.

Anyway enough from me, sorry I didn't do personals I'll try next time

Pangari

10-11-2009, 07:48

OMG Purplesky. You poor thing. Sounds like you have different nurses at each appointment which WOULD be very confusing. Is there any way you can organise to see the same person each time? Find one that you like a bit better and book into her each time???? I am lucky that my MHN is really lovely and just very chilled out. She answers all my questions and just doesn't make me feel like crap. Don't worry about the weight gain it is so individual for each baby and the fact that she is getting breast milk is just so wonderful for her. As for giving her water, I have started giving Casper a little bit of water in the afternoons when he gets grizzly, inbetween my 2pm and 6.15pm feed and he is only 10 weeks. My mum is a breast feeding nazi and she is totally against as she thinks it will put him off the breast but it has not affected him at all. He is still a guzzler! And if you compare breast milk with water, I am sure all bubs would always prefer milk! I am finally getting to a place where I am confident enough to make some of my own decisions and not feel like a failure or like an idiot. There are plenty of books that say giving a little bit of cooled boiled water is ok and I am so determined to stick to the routine I got from the book that I don't want to give him milk except at the recommended times as it has been working so well and keeping me sane. I know there are other BH mums on here that are giving their babies water but you do what feels right for you.

As for the sadness you are feeling about losing Julian that is perfectly natural, especially with all the reminders around you while still living in the house you shared with him. My heart goes out to you. I think you are doing amazingly well and your daughter will benefit from your strength. Acknowledging your loss is great as it means that you are actually dealing with it, rather than bottling it all up. How are you going with your house hunting? Still looking to move?

You might like to try the 'routine' that I have been doing with Casper. I really didn't believe it would work for us but he really responded to it. I had to get help at the start to stretch him out to the four hourly feeds but it only took 2 days for him to adjust. Perhaps your MIL could come and give you a hand. Before then I had been feeding Casper every time he cried or was unsettled and I think there were many other reasons for his grizzles than just hunger. My parents came and they would take him and keep him occupied for the recommended time while I would have a sleep or a rest, or even just have a bit of 'me' time. He was feeding nearly every 2 hours back then and so at first we stretched him to 3 hours one day, then 4 the next. We did not feed him at set times, just set duration i.e. hours between feeds. Then a week later they came back and they helped me to start the feeds at the recommended times. I know routine is not for everyone but I needed it to stay sane as I was getting close to post natal depression and that would not have been good for either me or Casper. Anyway, the feed times are 7am, 10.45am, 2pm, 6.15pm, 10.30pm (a dream feed) and then overnight I just feed him when he wakes. For ages he was still waking 2 to 3 times a night but then started only waking once somewhere between 12 and 2 and then again at 5am when I wouldn't feed him but just bring him into my bed for a cuddle till his 7am feed. About a week ago I decided to drop the 10.45pm feed and he started just waking the once around 12ish but last night we had another breakthrough as he slept through to 3am and then after his feed slept through to 6.30am. I feel like a million dollars having had a long stretch of sleep as I went to bed at 10am and slept through to 3am!!! Lovely! Anyway, you could give it a try and see if Sahara responds to it. She will get very grizzly close to the feed times initially but then should get used to it. By stretching her during the day, it should mean she should get better at lasting longer between feeds during the night. Having allotted feeding times during the day really helps with planning your day too. Anyway, by no means am I saying you must try this, but this is what has worked for Casper and I and it may just help if you feel like giving it a go.

Whitey: Self settling - well this only happened once I enforced the feeding 'routine'! I have no idea why it works but it just did. I feed him at 6.15pm and then bath him and then swaddle him, close the blinds in his room and read him a book on my lap and give him a cuddle and then pop him into his cot. I have a teddy suspended above his cot which I spin and he stares at that and just falls to sleep. Sometimes he will wake a couple of times but I just go back in and rub his temple slowly in a circle and say "time to sleep now sweetheart" and rub his tummy in a clockwise motion and then leave him to fall back to sleep on his own again. May have to do this a few times but he is nearly always asleep within 20 mins. I read in another of my books 'the baby whisperer' that it is good to put a small teddy in the cot with bubs, one that can't smother them and then they associate that teddy with sleep time and you can take it with you if you are going away and it can always be with them at sleep time. So far it is working. As I said above, I was lucky to have my parents to help me with each new phase but am now starting to get the confidence to make my own decisions and see them through. I think it took me this long to really accept that I am the parent and that I am really responsible for my baby but it is still really hard work and I still regularly question everything I do and hope I am not screwing my kid up too much!!!

Sim: I would love to hear how the sleep clinic person went too. Always looking for new tricks to add to my bag!

AFM: Yesterday arvo after feeling sorry for myself and being a big whinger, I decided to stop being so pathetic and took matters into my own hands. I have set up my desk again in the newly renovated back room and am going to start converting my film script to a novel. Also need to do my tax and will try and get a few more little Virtual Assistant jobs to bring a bit of money into the house as we are finding it tough on the one salary. The back room is so lovely and light now and the only room in the house with aircon, so I have basically set up camp here with Casper during these hot days. I have dragged his hammock up the back and I pop him in there for his sleeps and then we play on his playgym and rocker when he is awake. In the evenings we have been taking a walk in the pram once the sun starts to go down.

Well ladies, yet again I have raved on for ages. Hope I haven't bored you all to tears. Happy Tuesdays beautiful mummies!

Nadine25

10-11-2009, 08:47

Purplesky- Huge :hugs: to you. I wished I lived closer to you and could give you a real hug. It must be so hard getting through every day without Julian let alone being a single mum. You are such a strong woman and are doing so well. Princess Sahara will be very proud to have a mummy like you. Always remember that each one of us in this group is hear for you. And if you ever need someone to talk to feel free to email me :hugs:

And regarding the nurses, all that different info would be very confusing for you. By the sounds of it Sahara is doing very well on the breast milk so don't worry too much about her weight gain. Every baby is so different and each week would be different too. A friend told me a baby of a client of hers (she is a doula) weighs 5kg at 6mths (born an average weight). Now that would be a worry. And I agree with Pangari, a little bit of cooled boiled water doesn't hurt them. I hear you about not having much of a routine. Mia also feeds all over the place, so I am going to start feeding her 3hrly as a minimum and see how she goes. She is meant to drink around 180ml per feed but she will mostly have 70 or 80ml and the rare 120 or 150ml. So I think dragging her out would be better. Maybe if you start dragging out Sahara's feeds and if she wants a drink in between just give her the water (like Pangari suggested) and try to distract her. I know it is harder because you are breastfeeding and she would be able to smell you, but it's worth a shot. Good Luck :)

Pangari- Thanks for the suggestion about a personal trainer. I will google and maybe posts in a couple of forums to see if anyone can suggest one in my area. And well done for getting started on the novel :D It's always nice when we can do soemthing for ourselves (which is why I want to exercise. It's good for me and is some me time).

AFM: Nothing new here. Except that I really can't understand why a working man/father thinks he needs more sleep then a SAHM! It annoys me to no end.

Brood Mare

10-11-2009, 13:19

I am feeling fed up, tired, and quiet unhappy today, not sure why... perhaps it's the weather.

Pangari

10-11-2009, 14:23

Hang in there Mimmi! That was me yesterday but am having a much better day today, so hopefully tomorrow will be better for you too!!!!

Californication

10-11-2009, 16:43

Sim - good to hear you so happy! Hope it's continued on to today!

:wave: Nadine - Nice to hear from you :) Sounds like Mia is going great guns!

:hugs: PuRpLeSkY - I think it is normal for you to feel sad. You've gone through two of the most life changing events in such a short space of time, and it's bound to hurt for a while. I hope that seeing Julian live on in Sahara lessens the sting of loosing him. I can't imagine how hard it must be for you, but you are showing how strong you are by raising your daughter and by seeing someone to talk about it. For what it's worth, you have my admiration and respect.

AFM - saw my CHN/LC yesterday. Tried the SNS with her help and she thinks that William has no connection with the boob. So we'll increase the skin-to-skin, keep offering and hope for the best. I tried taking him to bed with me this morning for S2S, but he wouldn't have a bar of it. I don't think he liked being in the big bed! So will try tomorrow with him clothed on top of the doona for cuddles and see if he's OK with that, and slowly move him to the S2S in bed as that means we can both get some sleep at the same time. I'm scared he'll fall off when we're on the couch so don't relax enough to snooze!! I told her my nipples have been REALLY sore this week and it's starting to really hurt to pump, so she said to decrease it to a couple of times a day. Which is good because I was close to throwing in the towel it's been hurting so much. But I think the less pumping will mean I can give him until his 12 week appt which I decided was the deadline. If he hasn't shown any interest/improvement by then, I don't think he is going to. Which will be sad, as I really want to BF and have that special closeness with him, but if we can't, we can't. So if it's not to be, I guess I'll have a little (or not so little) cry and move on. Not much else I can do really!

Brood Mare

11-11-2009, 07:25

Well, Keiran and I have been conquering the heat, by taking refuge in his bedroom with aircon. And it's working wonders. The room made it to 25C.
I have been keeping myself relatively sane by watching Buffy. (Man I love Oz)
Today we plan to go out with a friend to the Carribean Market. It be nice to get some air.
I went out and bought kids 30C+ sunscreen yesterday. I had no idea it cost so much to get sunblock.

Pangari

11-11-2009, 07:36

Clare: Can't remember...do you have a bath? I have been having a bath with Casper. I take the change table in with everything on it and then just get in the bath with him. He loves it and it is great skin to skin. I have even breast fed him in there once. You could also try having a shower with him if you don't have a bath. A great skin to skin activity. Have you tried putting some milk on your breasts before doing the skin to skin contact, just another thought. The smell might entice him more, especially if it is before a feed. Knowing you...you have probably tried these things already but just in case you haven't they might be worth a shot.

Mimmi: Good to hear that you are feeling a bit brighter and managing to cope with the heat. It is a challenge! Too hot too soon. Just a week or so ago I had the heater on, now I have aircon! Weird! .....Enjoy your day out!

AFM: Casper had another shocker night. I really don't know why we can't manage a few consistently good nights but it is really one good then one dreadful night at the moment. He crashed at 7am, then woke just after 10pm, then 11pm, then midnight and then 1.30am! Then 4.30am! I had the fan on in his room but didn't wrap him so perhaps he got cold??? Seems impossible as it was soooooo stupidly hot in the house. The night before he did not do a poo though and it seems that poops and farts wake him. He did 2 big poos last night, so that could have been the problem. Anyway, although I am tired, I am resigned to the fact that some days I just will have to run on empty...the life of a mummy!!!

Am off to 'parent group' again today. Our turn to do baby massage which will be fun. Casper is sleeping blissfully in his hammock now, might try and get a bit of shut eye myself...if I can!

Question: Casper's poo has gone a dark green colour. Did anyone else notice their bubs poo's go dark green after their injections? That is the only thing I can think of that could've caused it.

firsttimeparents

11-11-2009, 10:57

Hi all,

Well sorry mimmi, but I love this hot weather :) We do have refrigerated air con so I don't notice it inside.

Pangari:Is Caspers poo slimy? If it is it could be dairy if it isn't then it is prob quite normal. Ring the MCHN if in doubt.

Clare N: You are a trooper for the hard work you are doing in trying to get bubs to BF. Don't be too hard on yourself if it is unsuccessful it's not like you have not tried.:hugs: to you.

Purple Sky: You are doing an amazing job, I can not begin to understand what you are going through but things will slowly get better. You have an amazing little girl who will be there to brighten your day with lot's of smiles.

Mimmi-I hope you are feeling better within yourself, just remember you are doing one of the hardest jobs there is and there is no manual so whatever works for the whole family is what is best for bubs :)

AFM: Well we have been to the chiropractor now a few times and it seems to be going well. Bailey is like a different baby, he is self settling in his big boy cot, he has been sleeping right through the night since Sat night and is having so much more happy time. I think the combination of soy formula, Losec and the chiropractor are really helping him. I am also feeling much better about the whole mummy thing and am actually enjoying myself now. It's amazing how much better you feel after a few good night sleeps :)

Whitey78

11-11-2009, 13:35

Purplesky - big hugs to you. I totally admire the massive job you are doing and how well you are coping with all of these major life events in one big hit. I often think of you when Angus is being a bugger and I am chanting my mantra "it will get better" over and over again, as I can't imagine how you do it all on your own.

Mimmi - glad to hear you're feeling better. Any decisions yet on the BF vs formula?

FTP - things are looking up for you guys FINALLY!!!! Hope Bailey keeps up this routine.

Pangari - Angus has been having annoying night sleeps too, up at 11:30, 3:30, 4:30 and 6:30 .... no fun! and he was going so well!

ClareN - my usual post for you: you are such a great mum to keep trying absolutely everything you can to keep William bf'd. I truely admire the huge effort you put in.

AFM - well I have commenced operation get Angus to self settle. Realised that during our colic episode we created another problem for ourselves as Angus could only fall asleep in our arms. Now we have cured the colic (through my diet) and it is time to change his sleep associations.
The thing is I can get him to fall asleep in his cot pretty much on his own (if he is settled) but it is almost impossible to get him to resettle after the45min day sleeps. This morning though we had a minor achievement - he didn't fall back asleep but he remained settled but awake for the full 2 hours (incl the 45min sleep).
This arvo he went down a bit after 12, woke near 1 and fussed about for an hour, I was just going to go and get him to feed him and when I walked in, there he was sound asleep and still is!!
So the biggest thing I have changed is not responding to him while he is fussing around, wriggling his arms and legs in his wrap and making grunting noises. The only time I will respond is if he starts to cry. Been reading lots about it and they say this "fussing" is just part of bubs getting comfy, confirming everything is ok and getting back off to sleep. I had been thinking "oh god he's awake must try everything to get him to go back to sleep" - turns out it is much better to do nothing (unless he starts crying). I am amazed at the results and I have only been doing it since yesterday.
As for the night waking, now that I have sussed this fussing thing out I think I could even leave him longer on his own to see if he'll get himself to sleep. I have been responding when I hear noises and so he rarely gets to the crying stage (well now that the colic is over).

Anyway, not sure if I'm making sense - you probably all already knew all of this and it is has just taken me ages to work it all out! Anyway this is a long post but am just so excited I had to share!!!

Brood Mare

11-11-2009, 16:46

Mimmi - glad to hear you're feeling better. Any decisions yet on the BF vs formula?

Still feeding him half and half at the moment, I tell you what, he is a little guts!

Brood Mare

12-11-2009, 02:48

ok... totally losing the plot, as Keiran has decided to stay awake, and not sleep, and he is literally fighting me, copped a hand in the face a few times. He ate, had his dummy, was just about completely out, out popped his dummy, and I then cpouldn't find it, and he has been fully awake since, not interested in boob, or dummy, and no amount of me holding him seems to help, nothing I do seems to help, and just making him more cranky. Right now he is laying on my bed, having a sook, not a cry, a sook.
I have sent the DH into the other room, to get some sleep for work.

M2J

12-11-2009, 08:35

Mimmi I feel for you. We've had a few nights where Jasmine would seem fast asleep only to be screaming a minute later for no known reason and then just grizzling for hours. And it's so much hardercto deal with at 3 am than 3pm. I hope you managed to get some sleep eventually (all 3 of you).
Pangari-Jasmine was getting green poop intermittently, our MCHN said most common reasons in breastfed bubs are either mum taking iron supplements or a lot of lactose in the milk. Either way not too much of a problem.
Jasmine has been sleeping much better recently, and has been much happier during the day as a result. She hasn't liked the heat at all, but we bought a portable air conditioner which seems to be making a huge difference. She also had her first swim in our spa(no bubbles) last weekend and loved it!
Better go, I think she's waking up. Hope everyone has a good day.

Pangari

12-11-2009, 12:10

Mimmi - hope you got some sleep after all that! So hard when they are like that.

AFM: The case of the mystery spinachy green poop has been solved..apparently it is very common to occur after the injections. This morning, after 2 days of the stuff, his poo was back to his normal colour. Hooray!

However...his cold is back again!!! Poor little bub is all snuffly again and his eyes have that glassy look. I have been squirting b/milk in them so that he doesn't get an infection and conjunctivitis again and also gave him a little bit of baby panadol to help him sleep and recover in this heat.

I am almost over my cold finally. It is coming out and I am going through heaps of tissues at the moment!

The really worrying and annoying thing is that one of the girls who was at my school reunion has just found out she has chicken pox and would have been contagious at the time. She never had direct contact with Casper as he was outside with DH at the time she arrived as we were about to leave. I said 'hi' and gave her a hug and so now I have to check if I have been immunised or else I may get it and give it to him!!!! I didn't get it as a kid. So off to the docs to get a booster and to have a blood test to check my immunity. Spots would not appear until this Sat if i picked it up from her but the booster will stop me getting it. I may need a second dose depending on my immunity levels. Soooo bloody annoying.

kitty galore

12-11-2009, 13:57

hello lovely ladies!!
hope you and your bubbas are all good!

Ok, so I think maybe I have definitely decided that I want to try for 1 more. I got all happy and sad last night, I looked back over the TTC nov/dec 2008 threads, so weird to read posts from before I feel pg. I realised it is coming up to around the 12 month mark :eek: since we all would have fallen pregnant - doesn't it feel weird? seems to have gone so quick, yet it seems like bubs have been here forever!! I found my old posts announcing that I was pg, and I just know deep down that we have to have one more!! I said to DH last night that I just feel in my heart that there needs to be 1 more kiddie...dunno...the feeling is so strong, and I have to trust my instincts!
So, I must pull my head in, and lose some damn weight!! I will be heading over to the support thread soon girlies!!:)
I have given myself until March to get some weight off and get a bit healthy, then we will consider TTC.
ok, I am off to vacuum and mop and then jump on the exercise bike!!

Nicole

kobesmum

12-11-2009, 17:55

sim081005

13-11-2009, 08:12

Hi ladies :wave:

I havent posted for a while but i try to keep up with everyone on the mobile during the night feeds!

myprincessamelie: I hear ya on thinking about the next bub... But I have a feeling DH will run for the hills if i mention it. TBH when Kobe was first born I was thinking 5 years would be good between kids...But the memory is a funny thing! My girlfriend is due to give birth any day now and talking to her about it made me clucky again! WTF Kobe is only 14 weeks - I must be going insane :eek:

Pangari: Hope the chicken pox scare turns out to be nothing - but how annoying having to get the boosters. I had a ch pox scare while I was preg but nothing came of it in the end. And poor Casper getting his cold back. Hope it clears up soon.

Mimmi: Hope you have a better night with Keiran tonight :fingerscrossed: It sucks when you think you're finally getting a handle on bub's routines and then they chuck them back in your face!!

Whitey78: I know what u mean about the noises. I used to jump up every time Kobe made a noise but I've learnt to tune them out and only wake when he actually means it! He's such a noisy sleeper that we put him in his cot at 4 weeks! But his room is directly across the hall so its still easy to hear him grunting away!

firsttimeparents: So glad to hear Bailey is responding well to the meds. A happy baby = a happy mummy! Enjoy

ClareN: You have persevered so hard to get your little man bfeeding. Dont beat yourself up if you have to put him on formula as you've tried so very hard. The main thing is making sure he's got SOMETHING in his belly - he wont hold it against u if u end up feeding him formula. You should be patting yourself on the back for trying so damn hard. I know many women (myself too possibly) who would've given up ages ago.

AFM: Well Kobe's blocked tear duct has cleared itself up already. I read somewhere to massage the side of their nose as it may clear the blockage, so i tried this and it worked!! Yay!! One less thing to worry about.

Now my new concern is Kobe's weight gains. For the last few weeks he's gained an average of about 80g per week when they're supposed to gain about 150g. I've still got plenty of milk, Kobe has plenty of wet nappies and he sleeps ok, with a 5-6 hour stretch at night and 3 hourly feeds during the day. Should I be concerned? He's in the 25th percentile for weight and length. I've read that weight gain can slow at 3 months and again at 6 months - has anyone else experienced this?

RANT TIME: I cannot believe Adelaide's weather at the moment!!! We have had 4 days above 37 (most of them 39) and the next 4 days are 39 or 40 too!! Its crazy. We have AC in the loungeroom but have to use a portable AC in the bedrooms. I worry so much about Kobe over heating that i wake extra times during the night to check on him. Bring back winter I say!!

Anyway this post is going on and on - i've typed the whole thing with one hand while Kobe sleeps in the other! My wrist is starting to ache!

Hope you all get a good night's sleep :sleeping:
I feel for you as Mason is now in the 25th percentile for weight but is in the 75th for his head & 55th for length so it makes him MORE underweight. I thought I too had enough milk but turns out I didn't. I am now expressing for 5 minutes after every other feed & my milk is building up quickly & funny enough Mason is feeding for longer, happier & starting to sleep during the day. The other thing we are trying to get Mason to feed longer to get the hind milk, is after every 5 minutes pull him off, burp & back on. Once he thinks he has had enough, we still offer the boob for another 5 minutes. Most of the time he will feed for another few minutes.

Not sure if this will help at all but worth a shot & I really do feel for you as it is so hard to go each time to get them weight & wonder will you leave in tears or smiles. Also, Mason is only gaining 50 grams a week at the moment.

AFM - I haven't been posting here or FB for a few days as I have fallen into such a heap. I have got PND & a pretty big dose. I am seeking help ASAP as I am concerned about Mason. I would not hurt him but I wish most of the day he would just go away.

I have been getting a bit better the last few days as I let it all out & had a good cry & Mason has been a fairly happy bub too. I think his new meds really are kicking in. I am getting regular smiles throughout the day & he is SLEEPING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yesterday we got a 3 hour sleep in the middle of the day. I am also hanging out for the Melbourne meet up soon

WTK

13-11-2009, 09:11

Sim you are one tough cookie and I am proud to say you are one of my friends. You have been thru such a tough time, even being pregnant, you had no idea how you were going to even hold a baby remember? You got thru that and you will get thru this. Admitting you need help is the first step so well done. Getting help and soon, as you say is only going to make your life a whole lot better. Good on you for getting it out there so we can do what we can to help you, all be it thru cyber space and of course our meet up :)
:hugs::hugs: and :kiss: to you my friend

JimJamsMum

13-11-2009, 12:17

Whitey - good for you for getting Angus to self settle. It really does make life so much easier when bub figures out how to do it.

Ok, so I think maybe I have definitely decided that I want to try for 1 more. I got all happy and sad last night, I looked back over the TTC nov/dec 2008 threads, so weird to read posts from before I feel pg. I realised it is coming up to around the 12 month mark :eek: since we all would have fallen pregnant - doesn't it feel weird? seems to have gone so quick, yet it seems like bubs have been here forever!! I found my old posts announcing that I was pg, and I just know deep down that we have to have one more!! I said to DH last night that I just feel in my heart that there needs to be 1 more kiddie...dunno...the feeling is so strong, and I have to trust my instincts!
So, I must pull my head in, and lose some damn weight!! I will be heading over to the support thread soon girlies!!:)
I have given myself until March to get some weight off and get a bit healthy, then we will consider TTC.
ok, I am off to vacuum and mop and then jump on the exercise bike!!

Nicole

It's funny you say that because I have a feeling we'll have one more bub. DH has agreed to it if it's what I want but I'm not sure. I just have a feeling we'll have a surprise at some stage.

Pangari - good luck, hope you don't end up with chicken pox. Fingers crossed for you.

Sim - WTK has said it all perfectly. Having a bub is stressful in itself and you have done amazingly well with what you've had to go through. :hugs: I really hope things improve for you soon.

Leanda

13-11-2009, 14:18

Oh Sim its perfectly normal to feel like you do after what you have been through! I understand how that cry can trigger such resentment when he needs you AGAIN and all you want to do is run away and sleep for at least 3 weeks, min. So glad to hear you are getting some help .. and yes, lots of big virtual hugs from your bubhub buddies!!

Brood Mare

13-11-2009, 16:48

This is very premature, since I haven't decided if I want another child or not. But I am already choosing names for my possible next baby.
Everytime I read or watch something now, the most common thought is.. "I dont/like that name"
Anyone gotten that far for those who plan on having the next one?

mum2bubble

13-11-2009, 17:29

Sorry its been a while, everytime I get halfway through a post I either lose it or something comes up

firsttimeparents- im so glad things are improving with Bailey ... hope they continue to ..

Pangari- hope the chicken pox scare is just a scare and doesn't eventuate. I feel ya on going through tissues, Tahlia and I are just now coming through a cold. Just a question, I remember a while back Casper had I think conjunctivitis? Was there anything you used other than breastmilk (seeing as I dont have any)??

myprincessamelie- it does feel weird that it is almost a year since we conceived (although Tahlia was a surprise wasnt exactly TTC) and we started to think about when we want to TTC#2 and I too decided I want to lose a bit of weight beforehand ... I hope it all goes smoothly when the time comes

Kobesmum Tahlias weight started to slow down at 11 weeks so maybe it is a common theme?

Sim-:hugs: you have been through so much, you are an amazing mum and truly an inspiration. I hope things continue to get better in regards to Mason and that you start feeling better aswell.

Mimmi hope Keiran is sleeping better now. Dont worry about the name thing, although me and dp want 4 (yes I know but we both came from 4 child families and as long as we can afford it its what were planning for now anyway) but not sure when we want to start TTC#2 (decided to talk about it in the new year and make a decision then) but I too started finding names I did and didnt like so I made a list just so I dont forget the ones I liked. dp saw it and asked if i was already pregnant again! So yes I have a list of about 40 names that Im considering!

AFM & Tahlia we had a few bad days were Tahlia went through a complete feed refusal, went about 2 days with maybe a combined total of 2 bottles. She wasnt screamingly hungry actually was quite content, just didnt want to eat. Thankfully we got over that quite quickly.

Then we both got a cold so spent a few days in bed but were recovering now.

Had a bit of a scare this morning, woke up to find Tahlia had rolled over and had pulled her arms up over her head so therefore her face was covered with the wrap, luckily it is only a thin one and was only loosely over her but it freaked me out so I think its time to get rid of it? Wat do you ladies think?

Another question, Tahlia is a great sleeper at night (goes 12 hours between bottles, about 10 hours sleep) but her day routine goes like this ... play, feed, play, sleep, play, sleep, play, feed etc. Ive tried resettling her when she wakes from the first feed, just leaving her in her cot etc but it just seems like she wants to be up and play then about an hour later wants another nap (if I leave her in the cot she will just lay there and giggle at herself for an hour before going back to sleep and her cot is really boring, no toys mobiles or anything to distract her).

So should I just take that as how she is (doesnt bother me I just thought she might need deeper sleep?) or try something different to change it, any suggestions?

Hope you all had a good week and hope you all have an even greater weekend!

JimJamsMum

13-11-2009, 18:31

Mimmi - I'm not really planning on another bub but I am constantly thinking about names. It's lucky I have two boys because I have not yet come up with a girls name that I really like and goes with our surname. I can think of loads of boys names.

M2B - you could always try putting Tahlia in a sleeping bag. Daniel has been in one for a few weeks now. It's safer than being wrapped once they are mobile because they can't get tangled up. As for the day sleeps: if she's happy and content then I would just let her be. She obviously having a good sleep at night and her short day sleeps may be all she needs. Daniel does something similar. It's normal for babies to be awake for 1-2 hours at a time as they get to 3 months. If she's happy and you're happy then I would just leave her be.

Brood Mare

13-11-2009, 19:15

So whats your no1 choices at the moment JimJams and M2B??

mum2bubble

13-11-2009, 19:23

Jimjamsmum- I think I have a sleeping bag hanging around somewhere, Ill have to did it out, although I think it is a thick winter one, can you get summery ones??

I tried to narrow it down to one each sex but couldnt, so here are my favourites :)
Kaida
Kyah
Asha

Levi
Issac
Fletcher

but it changes daily:)

what are your favs mimmi?

beccalou

13-11-2009, 20:25

Hi girlies

Well havent been on here forever for a hundred different reasons.

Angel was 12 weeks old on thursday OMG!!! Where does the time go??

She is still living up to her name as she has done from day 1. It seems to me the harder my pregnancies are the easier the babies hehe.

So I have been a bit depressed on and off nothing major just baby blues. Its really exhausting looking after 2 it just never ends the washing, dishes, cooking, cleaning, nappies, vomit, poo, crying and DH wants sex :laughing:
I havent even shaved my legs since I went into labour yes I shaved my legs while I was in labour as I knew how long it would be till I got round to it again :o thankfully the hairs are so light you can hardly see them.

Also changed Angels middle name at the last minute it was the last day to send in the birth cert application and we decided an hour before it had to be posted. So typical I love to leave everything till the last minute. Both our girls were named several days after they were born.

Yes have been thinking of baby names as we have always wanted four kids although I change my mind every day about having more! For a boy we have always loved Joel for a girl I think Ella-Violet although as usual it will be up in the air as DH and I can never seem to agree on a girls name until shes born!

M2B - I would definitely put bubs in a sleeping bag as shes rolling if you dont have any summer ones we used to wrap DD1 in a muslin wrap with her arms out till I got a chance to buy a sleeping bag. I love grobags a bit pricey but have different ones for different temps.

Big hugs to all I have missed (which is pretty much all of you)

Brood Mare

13-11-2009, 20:59

M2B the name Asha was on our baby girls list as well :) I have however decided to scrap the baby list for baby 1, because they were going to be for baby number 1. Baby number 2 (if it happens) would be a different list, a different feel I would think.
Becca, Joel is a great name, I too like it. But I am trying to stay away from J names, since my husband is a J name :)

I have a list of names I have had for a while.

Molly
Carrigan
Margo
Lottie
Terra
Odessa
Nymowae
Selina

Asher
Morgan
Rowan
Heath
Azreal
Caleb

kitty galore

13-11-2009, 22:35

Hello everyone! Hope you are all well!

FTP - Good to hear Bailey is settling well now. It is quite amazing how just a few good nights of sleep can make you feel - good to hear!!

Whitey - hope operation SS is going well!!

M2J - Good to hear from you and great that Jasmine is going well!

Kobesmum - JMO - but I reckon a combination of bubs starting to become really active, and the 12 week growth spurt surely has to cause a plateau of weight gain for bub? And def, the 6 month mark they would start to crawl..? so that would also contribute to a plateau? tbh, and it probably only because Finn is such a big boy, I have only weighed him twice since he was born, and both of those times were with the CHN....but I am def no expert!

Sim - luv, you really have had such a rough trot!! :hugs:but you sound like you are really on top of it, and the best thing you could be doing is being honest about things. It must be hard for you to feel like that...sorry to hear it luv.

JJM - it would be funny if some of us did fall pg at the same time again. when i was having a look at the ttc threads the other night, i saw we crossed paths in the ttc threads, but I don't think there were too many other aug ladies here who were in the ttc threads. one thing i def don't miss is that monthly yes or no reporting (colour me blue etc etc:no:) I found it was getting quite all consuming after a while!

Mimmi - I am with you on the names - a fresh list for subsequent bubs. For me though, there is one girls name I absolutely have to have - I wanted it for DD, but then DH found the name Amelie. Then for #2 it was on my first list if we were to have a girl, but had boy (durh!) but I love the name Piper Lily (Lily after my g/ma who passed away many years ago). boy names we would be stuffed - Finn was the only boy name we could come up with out of thousands of fricking names! so if it does happen again for us, i will be praying for a girl!!

mum2bubble - good to hear Tahlia ok after feeding issue - yes, the wraps thing alway freaks me out. sometimes Finn get both his arms out and has them up next to his head, and the wrap is across his face. we only wrap him in the muslin wraps, but still, it is scary!
I agree with JJM re waking/naps etc, if bubs happy, then leave them.

beccalou - good to hear from you too, and good to hear Angel is going well. shaving legs - ha what is that??!!:laughing: but then I don't really shave my legs anyway - I usually shave every quarterly!!

AFM - i posted some pics in the other thread - i tried Finn on some Farex today, and he loved it. he is just so ready for it. I am not going to give him too much, just want him to try the textures etc etc.

Brood Mare

14-11-2009, 06:07

AFM - i posted some pics in the other thread - i tried Finn on some Farex today, and he loved it. he is just so ready for it. I am not going to give him too much, just want him to try the textures etc etc.

I saw the pictures, he looks so cute, and you look so happy!
I honestly can't believe we are already looking at solids. I thought however that babies start trying solids at 4 months. Would it be an idea to try something now? And well.. what exactly can you give them at this age?

They are growing so fast. Keiran's Infant nappies are just not fitting on his bum so well anymore, going to try some crawlers :P

Oh! I forgot to add, last night was the second night he has slept through the night. I think we may of tripped on a routine that seems to be working, but early days still. Lets hope this is the beginning of something good.

JimJamsMum

14-11-2009, 08:07

Hello everyone! Hope you are all well!

JJM - it would be funny if some of us did fall pg at the same time again. when i was having a look at the ttc threads the other night, i saw we crossed paths in the ttc threads, but I don't think there were too many other aug ladies here who were in the ttc threads. one thing i def don't miss is that monthly yes or no reporting (colour me blue etc etc:no:) I found it was getting quite all consuming after a while!

You inspired me to have a look back over them yesterday. Crazy women who hang out at those TTC threads :laughing: I don't think I'd do it to myself again. The more time went on the crazier I got.

I saw the pictures, he looks so cute, and you look so happy!
I honestly can't believe we are already looking at solids. I thought however that babies start trying solids at 4 months. Would it be an idea to try something now? And well.. what exactly can you give them at this age?

Mimmi the WHO guidelines recommend that bub has only BM or formula for the first six months. I started DS1 on solids when he was five months old because the BM just wasn't cutting it anymore. Young babies have a tongue thrust reflex so they tend to just spit everything out anyway. You can usually tell if bubs is ready because they start eyeing off your food. When I first sat DS1 in his highchair and sat down with a bowl of farex and a spoon he got so excited and knew exactly what was going on. If youstart before bubs is ready they tend to get a bit blocked up. The usual thing is to start with farex which is rice cereal fortified with iron. It's good to mix it with some BM to make it taste a bit better. Daniel will be four months in a couple of weeks and he isn't even close to being ready for solids. He loves his booby too much :D

Oh! I forgot to add, last night was the second night he has slept through the night. I think we may of tripped on a routine that seems to be working, but early days still. Lets hope this is the beginning of something good.

:yelclap: Was this on BM or formula or both?

Jimjamsmum- I think I have a sleeping bag hanging around somewhere, Ill have to did it out, although I think it is a thick winter one, can you get summery ones??

You can get summery ones. I have a winter one and a summer one. The summer one I got is from myers and is smaller and cheaper. The winter one is a Mammas and Pappas brand which I prefer because it is bigger and doesn't have the seatbelt slot which both boys have always poked their foot through.

Taking the boys to the local fete today. It's always fun

Brood Mare

14-11-2009, 09:11

JimJams I have been feeding him both. I have 1 bottle, then one breastfeed, then one bottle again.
He ends his day with a bottle, but wakes up for some booby, so he is very well fed.

It's funny you mentioned the moment they start eyeing off your food. Keiran I noticed was doing that yesterday when we were out. He was very interested in what I was munching on, and started drooling and swishing his tongue about. I even tested him, by moving the fork side to side, and he was zoned in on it.
I am going to wait til about 4 months or so before introducing him to some kind of solid.

kitty galore

14-11-2009, 10:23

cool mimmi for Keiran going through the night - you must feel better for it!!?

farex/rice cereal - I will officially start in 3 or so weeks when Finn is 4 months. I was just seeing how he resonded yesterday, when I tried a bit with him - he will be definitely ready at 4 months - I def won't be waiting until 6 months though!

sleep/gro bags - ohhh - i didn't realise you could get summery sleep bags - i might have to check out myers then.

Nappies - we have just moved up to the crawlers. i think my mcn has gone out the window for me - i have a few trial packs here of a couple of diff brands. i might just use the mcns during the day when it is hot and Finn can just wear them with a singlet. they just seem so damn heavy and bulky!
we have been using babylove sposies, and i am really impressed - pricewise obviously - about 1/2 the cost as huggies, but the absorbency is excellent. we just picked up 2x 90 pkt for $45 or $48 from coles yesterday.

sim081005

14-11-2009, 10:32

Thank you everyone for your support.

As for sleeping bags, Best & Less have some 100% cotton ones that are nice & light. I have bought 2, one I am leaving the long sleeves & the other I am making the sleeves shorter. They are $20 each but I got them for $16 the other day as they were on sale

AFM - Mason is just getting better & better. He is having about 3 or 4 sleeps during the day & one of those is normally for 3 hours!!! The night he is no longer sleeping through but I can handle that. I am now back home from staying with my parents so it is a good sign that I am getting better.

I too was one of the TTC'ers & I will join those threads again but not as dedicated as last time. It was the hardest 2 years & this time I want a more relaxed approach. I think with the next bub I will be better all around as I have been through so much already that there isn't much more to go through

Yesterday I noticed a white dot on Mason's gum & it isn't a tooth cutting through but the starting of him teething according to mum so I guess in the next few months I will have a teething babe!!! I am excited about this as it is the end of the baby stage. I am not a baby person I have decided

Anyway I am off to clean up my house & back yard as it needs some extra attention

sim081005

14-11-2009, 10:36

Californication

14-11-2009, 10:59

I tried to post this last night, but BH died on me! Here goes again (luckily I'd copied it first!!):

Pangari - yep, we have a bath but it is tiny and he'd get cold as the water doesn't cover my chest! BUT I have had showers with him which he likes. Just not keen on S2S for some reason even on the couch! It's like he decided one day "nup, sick of this now". Lately he won't always feed in a BF position either. I think I should just take his not-so-subtle hint that it's just not going to happen. I hope Casper's cold has gone again, and that the chicken pox scare comes to nothing. And that you had a better night and got some sleep :)

Firsttimeparents - Thanks :) It's amazing that going to the chiro has helped Bailey so much! That is fantastic! Hope it continues for you and Bailey - it's great that the meds are made such a difference for you both.

Whitey - That's great news about Angus self settling! And you're not the only "dumb" one - it took me a while to figure out that William was making noise in his sleep and not needing me or food!

Myprincessamelie - There's a few of us that are planning on TTC next year, so you're not alone. Be hilarious if we all end up UTD at the same time again!

Kobesmum - Thanks :) How's the toe? Hope it was just bruised and is all better now (at least I'm pretty sure it was you and I'm too lazy to go back and find the post!!) That's great news about the blocked duct! I wouldn't be worried about the slow weight gain. William is sitting at about 140g a week (on an average as it had been a month since he was weighed) but my CHN wasn't at all concerned. Said that if he's weeing lots and is chubby and happy then that's the important thing. Hope it gets cooler for you soon.

Sim - :hugs: WTK said it all. I'm glad you are feeling a bit better now than you were the other day :)

WTK - just wanted to say you're gorgeous to say those lovely things to Sim. MP is lucky to have such a lovely Mummy.

Mum2bubble - At Mum's group, we were told it was OK to wrap once they started to roll if bubs was strong enough to not roll and be flat on their face (if that makes sense??), but that most babies wanted their freedom by then! And if you are happy for her to feed lots during the day, and she's happy, let her do her own thing I say! William does that every now and then as well, but I think when he does he is growing as will eat heaps!

AFM - We're off to Perth tomorrow (now today - as in right now!) for a family 21st. William's first big party! Hope he behaves :)

mum2bubble

15-11-2009, 20:02

Beccalou- just noticed our bubs have the same birthday! I have just been unwrapping her arms when she gets restless (early morning about 3am)

Mimmi- we didnt really have a 'list' for baby #1, Tahlia was the only name we had!

Sim- thanks I'll check out best and less the next time im up there. So glad things are looking up with Mason.

ClareN- She isnt rolling over as yet just sort of rolling from side to side and loosening the wrap and then bringing it over her head. Hope William behaves at the party!

MyprincessAmelie- I think we will need to move up to crawlers soon, hopefully I can get through this box first (i buy the infants in bulk so boxed of 130ish) although she is in the boys ones cos they were out of infant girls (there is a huge number of girls in this area around the same age ad DD)

AFM- Tahlia rolled from belly to back for the first time tonight. It was pretty funny cos she went halfway, stopped for a rest then went the rest of the way. I suppose this is where the fun begins, now that the bubs are starting to become mobile.

Went to the truck convoy thing today, the noises of the trucks beeping got to Tahlia at first, then I popped her dummy in and she went straight to sleep. I remembered to put sunscreen on everyone except me! So now I'm red raw!

We're meant to have a massive heatwave tomorrow so hope it doesnt upset bub too much, although she loves all the nakey time that comes with hot days.

Hope your all having a nice evening!

Californication

15-11-2009, 21:19

MPA I am a MCN person & am in LOVE with them. I am using Hautes (not so happy with them) and a no brand from ebay which I LOVE. I got 20 including inserts & postage for $169.00. If you are interested, I can take a pic of Mason in it & a link to the seller for you. Please keep in mind the nappy looks huge on Mason but he is a string bean!!! I can put pants on him when he has the MCN on as they hold his pants up

Sim - I'd be very interested in this info, and to know why you don't like the hautes? I bought a trial pack but they are still a little big on William, so not sure if they are leaking a little because of that or if they aren't going to work for him! But if there is a cheaper option, I'm very keen to know which ones you like and why!!! (and the details :))

William behaved very well at his first party. He was unsettled before it and had a little crying fit, but was perfectly behaved at the party, socialised for a little while then went to sleep in his pram until we went home at 11 :)

Brood Mare

16-11-2009, 07:11

Well Keiran woke up at 3am this morning. Ruining his full night streak. 3 days. Gave me of plenty catch up sleep.
Today he has a maternal nurse visit. It's going to be interesting, my mother is coming along...
Instead of meeting her at the station, she is being dropped off here by my sister.. Which is typical, cause my house is a mess today.
I also think my body is preparing for that time of the month. Got a massive pimple, and period cramps. Now I just need a blistering headache to top it all off.

Pangari

16-11-2009, 09:10

Not sure I am cut out to be a mother! I just keep falling in a heap. Up and down emotionally. I am not coping well with the lack of sleep. Things have improved in that he only wakes once at night now most nights but I am still only averaging 5-6 hours a night of broken sleep and for me it seems, that is not enough. Casper is a lovely baby in so many ways but he is very demanding too. The good days are lovely but the bad days seem to almost break me. Today is a bad day. He has been crying all morning, and as such so have I and nothing is working to help him through it. Been up since 3am. Perhaps it is the 12 week growth spurt starting early!!

mum2bubble

16-11-2009, 09:50

William behaved very well at his first party. He was unsettled before it and had a little crying fit, but was perfectly behaved at the party, socialised for a little while then went to sleep in his pram until we went home at 11 :)

Yay for William behaving! I tried to take Tahlia and Ryan (16 month old I babysit) out yesterday and they both cracked it so we had to leave:no:

Well Keiran woke up at 3am this morning. Ruining his full night streak. 3 days. Gave me of plenty catch up sleep.
Today he has a maternal nurse visit. It's going to be interesting, my mother is coming along...
Instead of meeting her at the station, she is being dropped off here by my sister.. Which is typical, cause my house is a mess today.
I also think my body is preparing for that time of the month. Got a massive pimple, and period cramps. Now I just need a blistering headache to top it all off.

Dam for Af maybe paying a visit. It was definitely something not missed !!

Oh I so get the people coming over when your place is a mess. MIL decided to visit yesterday, I had babysat overnight so with the 2 kids the place was a bomb. Pfft I just dont care what she thinks anymore (haha can you tell we're having 'issues':p)

Not sure I am cut out to be a mother! I just keep falling in a heap. Up and down emotionally. I am not coping well with the lack of sleep. Things have improved in that he only wakes once at night now most nights but I am still only averaging 5-6 hours a night of broken sleep and for me it seems, that is not enough. Casper is a lovely baby in so many ways but he is very demanding too. The good days are lovely but the bad days seem to almost break me. Today is a bad day. He has been crying all morning, and as such so have I and nothing is working to help him through it. Been up since 3am. Perhaps it is the 12 week growth spurt starting early!!

:hugs: Pangari you are cut out to be a mother and your a great mother.

I too dont function at all with little or broken sleep and I was almost at breaking point a few weeks ago. Is there any chance you could express and DH take over for one night to let you get a full nights sleep ? I found just getting one night was enough for me to be refreshed and not so cranky and emotional.

I wish there was more I could do. :hugs:

AFM- I still cant figure out why I was so stupid to put sunscreen on everyone else but me. I got no sleep cos I couldn't move at all without being in pain. And today I'm babysitting Ryan (16 months old) again (I had him Saturday, he stayed overnight so I had him Sunday as well, he went home last night and was back again this morning). Trying to keep both him and Tahlia fed changed and entertained while wincing in pain everytime I move. Hopefully I will learn my lesson though!

Well I better go, the were both napping but I can hear Tahlia stirring, better go get her up before she wakes Ryan.

Hope your all enjoying your day and some more :hugs: for you Pangari I hope your day improves!

Brood Mare

16-11-2009, 09:59

Californication

16-11-2009, 11:07

Pangari - :hugs: :hugs: and more :hugs: Over the last few weeks I've had a little taste of the grumpy bubs with crying fits lasting hours, so I have a tiny understanding of how things have been for you at times. I think it is normal to have good and bad days - especially when you don't get enough sleep. It's such a struggle to function on so little sleep. Are you getting any sleep during the day? I'm sure you've tried this, but when William gets like that and nothing I do will soothe/settle him, I put him to bed, let him cry for 5-10 minutes, then if he is still awake, give him cuddles leaving him wrapped up. Within a few minutes he is asleep in my arms and I put him back in his bed. I think Mum2Bubble's sugestion of hubby giving the night bottle is a good one. When William was waking for a night feed, Hubby would do non-work nights for me, and those 3 nights of proper sleep did me wonders. Helped me get through the week. He offered to do work nights but he works 10+ hour days 4 days a week, so I thought that was too much for him. Maybe you could do 2 nights, DH does 1? Or get him to do all if he can cope with it!! You need your rest.

You are cut out for mummy-hood, and you are doing so well. Hang in there, we're nearly at that 3 month mark when things will get better and easier :) Wish there was more I could do/say to help you!

Mum2bubble - Ouch on the sunburn! Aloevera works wonders as does creams like Bepanthem. Hope it eases soon.

JimJamsMum

16-11-2009, 11:30

Pangari - pfft, of course you are cut out to be a mother. Remember that you are the BEST mum for Casper. Not having a decent nights sleep for months on end can be very wearing. Have you got a relaxation or guided meditation cd. If so, lay down with it for half an hour sometime during the day when Casper is settled/asleep. It can be more restful and rejuventating than sleep. I used to put Daniel in his bouncer next to the lounge then lay on the lounge with headphones on listening to a relaxation cd. Worked wonders. It's okay to take a break from motherhood sometimes. Perhaps there is someone who can take over for a few hours one day so you can get some rest?

MPA- I use Baby Beehinds bamboo MCNs and they are great. I used them for DS1 and bought a new stash for Daniel. Super absorbent and they fitted him from 5kg. I really love not having to budget for nappies in the weekly shop.

I had a very relaxing day yesterday. DS1 was sick for the first time in his life (he's 2.5). He had a high temp (39.1) and just vegged out on the lounge all day. I don't wish illness on anyone but gee it was quiet. I enjoyed my day off but it was nice to see him back to his normal active self this morning.

Brood Mare

16-11-2009, 11:38

Well Keiran has grown 970gs in a month. Placing him firmly at 6700gs. And he has grown 5cm in length. Making him 61.5cm long.

Whitey78

16-11-2009, 13:42

Hello all!

Been a while ... lots to catch up on:

SIM: really hope you are feeling better, I think you have done a champion job in the mother of all marathons! You have had it very tough my luv and I'm just so glad you're seeking help and really hope it works for you.

Pangari: Don't beat yourself up so much. I really do know what it is like to have screaming baby one day, angel the next - it does your head in. BUT the magic 12 (or is that 14?) week mark is in sight and think of how much better things are now than they were a few weeks ago.

Clare: yep I think William is a big boy now and not interested in the S2S with mumsie! I have also found leaving bub crying for a few minutes then going in to pick him up will eventually settle him, sometimes takes a few goes though.

Oh so much more that I can't remember specifics so topics:
baby names/another child - are you guys CRAZY???!!! The experience of the past 3months is far too raw, speak to me in another year or so!
MCN's haven't even tried them yet! I've got 6 hautes sitting on the change table but the blur of the colic combined with the no day sleeps convinced me I didn't have enough time to keep up witht he washing ... BUT bubs now sleeps so better give them a go. They look so cute with a singlet in hot weather too.
Wrapping - Angus loves being wrapped, really helps him to sleep so I'm not sure how I'm going to stop wrapping him. When he gets even one little hand out he spends ages waving it around and trying to chew on it and can't fall asleep - oh well, the next hurdle for us to tackle!

AFM - I think it is safe to say that we have FINALLY turned a corner! Angus now settles himself to sleep AND he hasn't screamed in weeks (mind you I haven't eaten any dairy for weeks either). I am so amazed at his progress with the self settling, he was seriously settling himself to sleep within a day most sleeps and occaisonally needed me to come in and resettle. NOW he does it every sleep and he sleeps for up to 3 hours in the afternoon! He used to only sleep for 45mins and then never fall back to sleep on his own. I am a new woman and my house is clean, we even have visitors coming to stay tonight AND we went out on Saturday night for tea!
If anyone is having problems with sleep, the method I followed was "Safe Sleep Space" a book & DVD.

Hey, anyone noticed the Christmas smileys??? OMG the year is flying!

Have good days everyone x

Californication

16-11-2009, 14:20

AFM - I think it is safe to say that we have FINALLY turned a corner! Angus now settles himself to sleep AND he hasn't screamed in weeks (mind you I haven't eaten any dairy for weeks either). I am so amazed at his progress with the self settling, he was seriously settling himself to sleep within a day most sleeps and occaisonally needed me to come in and resettle. NOW he does it every sleep and he sleeps for up to 3 hours in the afternoon! He used to only sleep for 45mins and then never fall back to sleep on his own.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :smiliedance:

That is fantastic for you Whitey! What a good boy Angus is :xmas:

On the wrapping, I got some thin cotton wraps from Target, so you could try something like that for wrapping in the heat. I've only used them once (not hot here at the moment) and it worked nearly as good as the others I have. But the others are stretchy so easier to wrap him in tight!!

Brood Mare

16-11-2009, 14:41

1 of my friends have open fire on another on my facebook concerning breastfeeding vs formula. I can see this getting ugly...lol

Sorry being random

Pangari

17-11-2009, 12:04

Hi ladies...thanks for all your kind words of support. It really does help! Of course I should have known that it was just a bad day and things would improve but I find when I am in the moment like that it is just so overwhelming. Today is much better. Casper slept heaps better last night and woke up smiling! He has had one little crying fit today but nothing like yesterday. I even had enough energy to go for a big long walk this morning and I even jogged for a bit of it!

Question: Anyone still got leaky boobs? Mine just keep on leaking. I am so sick of wearing breast pads!!!!

I am really struggling with knowing how to dress Casper at the moment. The weather is so all over the place. I think he got cold last night. I had him in pjs and then in a grobag but his hands were cold. I popped some mittens on him at 12.30pm when he woke and he went straight back to sleep, so I am assuming that is what was the problem.

I finally bit the bullet and bought a breast pump. I got a hand held pump as I am too scared of the electric ones after I got mastitis from using one. It works well for me as I have such a ridiculous oversupply of milk and a fast let down so I was able to fill 125ml bottle in 2 mins. I left 125mls for Casper on Sunday and went out for the morning shopping with my sister. It was so wonderful. My sis helped me sort out my outfit for Casper's Christening on the 29th of this month. She has made me a lovely wrap around dress and so we went looking for accessories. I bought an Elle McPherson white maternity bra that actually looks like a little lacy top under the dress, a pair of tummy/thigh/bum sucker-innerers and a lovely pink cardy and some white shoes with a wedge heel! It was just so nice to have a break and to think about something different other than worrying about Casper. DH felt that Casper was still hungry after the 125mls so just wondering what most of your babies drink when fed EBM? Last night before his bedtime I fed him on both breasts then bathed him and then fed him another 125ml bottle. I think he is the sort of baby that would eat whatever is put in front of him though....he has a VERY healthy appetite but I worry sometimes that I am overfeeding him! He did sleep really well last night though, so perhaps he does need more than usual before bed. Also what do you store EMB in the freezer in? I want to build up a bit of a supply for special occasions and for emergencies and also for times like when I have a cold etc so that I can have a break.

Whitey: Great news that Angus is much more successfully self settling! Casper was the same...as soon as I relaxed and just gave him time and space to settle himself he did it really quickly. Sometimes it takes a couple of goes, in that I have to go in and rub his forehead, or pop the dummy back in but I don't have to hold him or rock him for hours on end anymore. He is also sleeping in his gro-bag now unwrapped. It felt like a bit of a regression at first as he took longer to settle but is now getting the hang of it. Just need to make or buy some really light cotton summery ones as the ones I have are too hot!!!! I have some lovely cute cotton fabric that is green with blue and pink elephants on it that will be perfect and some other stretchy stuff (white with little brown spots) that might work well too.

Mimmi: How did the breast milk vs formula debate go? Who cares really! I mean just do what is right for you and your baby and let everyone else do what is right for them. My mum is a "breast is best" nazi and it has taken me ages to even build up the confidence to get a breast pump but now I wonder why I didn't do it sooner. Everyone is soooo bloody opinionated but each of us has different circumstances so there is no right or wrong, just what is right for us individually.

Well still no sign of the chicken pox for me or Casper so looks like we side stepped that little nasty. I have my parent group tomorrow and am dreading it as I rang the nurse and asked her to contact the mum's and let them know I had been in contact with the c/pox and may have passed it on. They are going to hate me even though it was not my fault and even though it was very slim chance that I was not going to have immunity to it. I am sure they will all be fine but you never know. There is a pyschologist coming to talk to us about PND and related issues so that will be good as apparently I am borderline PND which was discovered when I filled in a PND questionnaire. I think if I didn't have such wonderful parents and family who have been giving me a lot of help, I would definitely have ended up in a very bad place but they have come any and every time I have been on the verge of breaking down and taken the load off!

Well beautiful women, hope you are all happy and your bubs are behaving and giving you lots of lovely smiles and giggles.

Brood Mare

17-11-2009, 12:30

Question: Anyone still got leaky boobs? Mine just keep on leaking. I am so sick of wearing breast pads!!!!

Yep still leaking, especially when they are uber full!
I also am feeding him 210mls of Nan Formula, which he usually leaves maybe 20-40mls. Depending on just HOW hungry he is.

Mimmi:How did the breast milk vs formula debate go? Who cares really! I mean just do what is right for you and your baby and let everyone else do what is right for them. My mum is a "breast is best" nazi and it has taken me ages to even build up the confidence to get a breast pump but now I wonder why I didn't do it sooner. Everyone is soooo bloody opinionated but each of us has different circumstances so there is no right or wrong, just what is right for us individually.

I spoke to both of them, and pro bf has backed off with her information, and now understands, that some women who can't breastfeed may get offended. While pro Formula feels better after blowing some steam.
It's a shame, they know each other in person, and sadly neither of them liked each other to start with anyways.
I have been getting lots of conflict recently, due to people complaining at me to pick one over the other. Because Keiran and I are currently on the pointy fence, and induldging in both. He is still breastfeed, simply because I am not ready to completely stop doing it. We started Formula, mainly because I wanted my DH to get involved more with bubs, and I figured this maybe a good way to do it. And a bonus out of it is he has started sleeping through the night, which has been brilliant.

kitty galore

17-11-2009, 12:36

Hi Pangari! Glad you are feeling better today.

Question: Anyone still got leaky boobs? Mine just keep on leaking. I am so sick of wearing breast pads!!!!
Yes - it drives me insane. a few nights when i have done a really good express on both boobs i will go without bras - bliss. but all other times i am too paranoid to go without bras/pads....it sucks!!

DH felt that Casper was still hungry after the 125mls so just wondering what most of your babies drink when fed EBM?
This is just me - I have not researched any specific guidelines re EBM, but I generally give Finn at least 180 mls per expressed feed (I looked up the feeding guide on a formula tin). As Casper is such a big boy, I would absolutely give him more. How many feeds per 24 hours do you do?

Pangari

17-11-2009, 12:37

Yep still leaking, especially when they are uber full!
I also am feeding him 210mls of Nan Formula, which he usually leaves maybe 20-40mls. Depending on just HOW hungry he is.

I spoke to both of them, and pro bf has backed off with her information, and now understands, that some women who can't breastfeed may get offended. While pro Formula feels better after blowing some steam.
It's a shame, they know each other in person, and sadly neither of them liked each other to start with anyways.
I have been getting lots of conflict recently, due to people complaining at me to pick one over the other. Because Keiran and I are currently on the pointy fence, and induldging in both. He is still breastfeed, simply because I am not ready to completely stop doing it. We started Formula, mainly because I wanted my DH to get involved more with bubs, and I figured this maybe a good way to do it. And a bonus out of it is he has started sleeping through the night, which has been brilliant.

Sounds like you have found the perfect balance between breast milk and formula for you both! You don't have to pick one or the other. Sounds like Keiran is getting the best of both! Good for you!!!

Brood Mare

17-11-2009, 12:57

Keiran received a package from his Great Grandnan from Scotland. And as usual the package had been ripped open by the post office. But she bought him some nice presents.

1 being a tree ornament.

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And this book.

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'The story of Clan MacWee' (The smallest clan in Scotland)

The writing says-

To Keiran, with love from your scottish great grandmother. Get your Dad to read this to you, so you can get a lovely accent.
xxx

The funny thing was I went out and bought this for him for the tree as well.

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Californication

17-11-2009, 13:52

Pangari - I'm glad you are feeling brighter today :)

Question: Anyone still got leaky boobs? Mine just keep on leaking. I am so sick of wearing breast pads!!!!

I wish I had that problem! I'm loosing my milk. Barely getting 50ml's combined now. I think that is the final straw for us. There are just too many obstacles in our way - he won't do the S2S all the time, he won't always feed in a BF position, I am loosing my milk, my nipples are sore from pumping, he isn't really interested in boob, he cries when I try.........I think I just need to give myself permission to stop. Have you tried the silicone cup thingies? I saw them on the ABA site.

DH felt that Casper was still hungry after the 125mls so just wondering what most of your babies drink when fed EBM?

William is feeding 4-5 times a day, and is having a daily total of anything between 640-820mls per day. Mostly in the mid 700's. Individual feeds are 140-200mls. It's a mix of EBM and formula, but it gives you an idea. I usually feed him until he refuses the bottle or stops drinking.

Also what do you store EMB in the freezer in?

You can buy special bags designed to store EBM, and I've heard you can also use a covered ice-cube tray.

On the dressing, if it helps the CHN said to put them in one more layer than we are wearing.

Sounds like you had a very successful shopping trip. I'm sure you will look fabulous!

Very glad too that the chicken pox scare amounted to nothing. I had it as a kid, on holidays, in a caravan, in the heat and it was not nice! THough they have great stuff to stop the itch now. All I had was calamine lotion and my mother telling me I was ruining her holiday! (yeah, 'cause I was having a brilliant time too, geez).

AFM - Like I said above, I'm giving up on trying to get William on the boob. Loosing my milk is just making it that much harder, so I think it is time to admit defeat and move on. Does anyone know if I can just start my normal pill straight away? I assume I can. I took the last of this packet's mini-pill today, but think I will stay on it for 1 month just incase I have to do the occasional pump to stop any engorgement (unlikely, but I'd rather he drink it than pour it down the sink!) and then go back to the normal one. Or is that silly? Wonder if I could get PG on it if I am not BF??????? Will ask the CHN tomorrow at Mums Group.

Oh and Whitey - I'm loving the new Christmas smilies. I'm actually excited about Christmas for the first time in years! There's new ones today too!!!!

:noel:

Talking about Christmas, is anyone planning on dressing up bubs in a christmas suit and taking a photo to use as Christmas Cards? I want to do it, but not sure if it's a bit OTT??

JimJamsMum

17-11-2009, 15:00

Leaky boobs - yep I still do but mainly when I'm feeding so I don't have to wear breast pads all the time thank goodness.

EBM feeds: the general formula is to feed 150mL per kg of body weight per day. So to work out how much bub needs you need to multiply 150mL by body weight then divide by the number of feeds per day. So if bub weighs 6kg and has 6 feeds per day then he will need 150mL per feed.

Storing EBM - I store mine in the bottles I use for feeding and cap them with the special storage cap you can buy. I also have some reusable but disposable cups for when I run out of bottles.

Mimmi - what lovely presents. And the tree ornament you bought is gorgeous.

In our family it is a tradition for my mum to buy us each a christmas tree ornament each year. So I still have ornaments from my first christmas. Now that I have kids they get the ornaments instead and I buy them one a year each too. Although we won't be having a christmas tree this year because DS1 would just destroy it. Didn't have one last year for the same reason. Maybe next year...

Pangari - glad you're feeling better and CP didn't make an appearance. Too bad if people at your mothers group get upset about the CP, at least you warned them. I'd prefer that than not know.

Daniel has been trying hard the last couple of days to roll over from back to front. Actually he's been trying for about two months but he's now got the hips and shoulders coordinated and only needs to figure out to lift his head up. Hopefully he'll figure it out soon because it's driving him crazy which is driving me crazy.

Brood Mare

17-11-2009, 16:40

Mimmi - what lovely presents. And the tree ornament you bought is gorgeous.

In our family it is a tradition for my mum to buy us each a christmas tree ornament each year. So I still have ornaments from my first christmas. Now that I have kids they get the ornaments instead and I buy them one a year each too. Although we won't be having a christmas tree this year because DS1 would just destroy it. Didn't have one last year for the same reason. Maybe next year...

Our family tradition is the bon bons. We keep one from our first christmas, and are not allowed to open them til our 21st christmas. My mum still has mine and I am 25 lol...

Pangari

17-11-2009, 16:59

JJM: Thanks for your info re EBM. Casper is over 8kgs and has 6 feeds per day so on your calcs he needs around 200ml per feed!!! So no wonder he was still hungry after DH fed him as i only pumped 125ml! Oops! Oh well now i know.

ClareN: Bummer that BF hasn't worked out for you but you have given it your best shot and no one could accuse you of not trying every damn thing in your power to make it work! For what it is worth i am so proud of your efforts and think it is great that William has had as much breast milk as he has cause most of us would have given up much sooner!

Mimmi: love your christmas ornament and the lovely gifts from grandma! I really need to start getting organised! My focus at the moment is the Christening on the 29th, then it will be operation Christmas as we are hosting my families Chrissie this year.

Here's another question, do your babies tend to have a big cry nearly every day? Casper doesn't go through a day without at least one big crying session. I find it really upsetting as nothing seems to work to stop it, he just eventually runs out of steam. On days like today the crying is just for shorter periods. Just not sure if this is normal.

Also wondering how many of your babies are really starting to vocalise? Casper is now super chatty. He has also discovered squealing which is not so pleasant and a weird closed mouth sort of mumbling which is ver funny and makes me laugh! He is definitely trying to communicate now.

Pangari

17-11-2009, 17:01