I LUV Tizzie Hall

[sam's mum]

We have struggling with Sam for a couple of months to sleep through the night. Usually end up putting him in with us just to get some sleep. I know that it was making it worse in the long term, but I just needed some sleep, even if it wasn't the best quality.

I got the Tizzie Hall book on Wednesday. Wednesday night he went to sleep okay then he woke up at midnight but I persevered for an hour and a half before he went back to sleep and he slept through until 6am but I didn't get him up until 7am.

He had two great sleeps Thursday. Went down at 9.15 and woke up again just before 10am, but I left him and he was asleep again in five minutes. Down again at 1.30 and slept until 3.30.

Last night it took about half an hour to get him to sleep, but only had to lie him down 7 times. He woke up at 4.34am and whinged (very mild) for about ten minutes and then went back to sleep. woke up at 6.50 this morning and I heard him playing in his cot quite happily. His sleeps today have been good too.

I have probably jinxed it all now, and I know that Tizzie says that they have one last ditch crying effort on about day 3, but :fingerscrossed: he's a new boy!

[bel_aiden]

i used tizzie hall too!! And it worked for us!! aiden sleeps from 7-7 and 2x2 hrs sleeps a day... im a very lucky mummy!! i wasnt strict with the routine though, i just eased into it.

any way hope all goes well for you.. i luv tizzie too :smiliedance:

[babytoo]

ok...what age can you do it from and where can I get the book...whats it exactly called? Brief description of the process? Thanks

[bel_aiden]

is your bubz on solids yet? il send you a routine

[babytoo]

No not yet...dr has told me I have to wait until I fix up her skin/tummy problems...wanted to start at 4 months, my DS started at 11weeks! Do you have to be on solids first?

[bel_aiden]

no you dont have to be on solids, it just chages wen theyt get to solids.. My little man is 5.5 months so ruby would be on the same routine as he is :yes:
so this is what we do every day
up at 7am, boob
bed at 9am
up at 11am, boob
bed at 1pm
up at 3pm, boob
snooze around 430-5... i dont let him sleep past 530
bath
feed at 630pm
bed asleep by 7pm :smiliedance:

i think that the best thing i learnt from tizzie is getting him to sleep on his own... well without being rocked, patted or fed (even though i will let him fall asleep on the boob :)) but with a comfortor.. she suggest a small bit of muslin or somthing that can be chucked in the wash that you have spares of. it something familiar to them, i gave aiden a safe little toy. i got the book from big w for bout 22 i thinkm book stores have it, have a look on ebay too..

So basically you are up for 2 hrs, then sleep for 2 hrs... and bed is from 7-7.. oh and i forgot to say, your baby can have as many feeds as she needs over the night too, she reccomends doing dreamfeeds.

i hope i havent babbled on too much... but hope i might have helped :D

[bel_aiden]

sorry the name is "save our sleep"by tizzie hall

[babytoo]

So does it have in the book routines for their changing ages? Does your bub sleep thru the night without feeds? I already dreamfeed Ruby and she is a self settle (with a dummy) I just bought a little square rug with a bunny head because I want to lose the dummy....I'm getting up and replacing it too many times

[bel_aiden]

we started the routine when he was about 10 weeks... by 15 weeks he was sleeping through from 7-7. he was breast fed on demand through the night.. until one night he slept through!!! i couldnt believe it, we gradually got down to 1 feed a night for few wekeks then "tada" he slept through from 7-7. sometimes he wakes 10-20 mins early, but i never get him outa bed til afta 7.. so as not to make a habit. it has different routines for different ages, from birth to 24months. a good read i think :) she has a website too where you can get the routines, i think yoiu have to pay for them though

[sam's mum]

I got the book from the library. :thumbsup: so it was free.

There are dream feeds in the younger routines and she has methods for phasing them out. It is all just so practical and the reasoning for why you do the different things makes sense.

:fingerscrossed: Sam sleeps well tonight. 1hr sleep in the pram at Hockey this morning and 10 minutes this afternoon in the car after his swimming lesson... not the best way to spend the day so soon into his new routine.:o

[Mischief]

I find it too hard to do the dream feed....as I try to go to bed by 9...so that if he does wake up early Ive had some rest....

Steven cant do it...he wakes Oliver up! LOL

But the 7pm bed time has been a saviour for us....and so has the information about the different cries.....Oliver has been self settling since he was 2 weeks old now....and I'm SOOO glad that he is, because alot of my friends are now trying to break their babies *cuddle to sleep* routines and finding it hard.

Oliver isnt doing to bad....he's having 2 good sleeps and a nap during the day....he usually sleeps from 7pm - 2am and from 230am - 6am (he wakes up when my hubby goes to work).

[the_queen]

Wait - genuine question here: So they sleep through but you can feed them if they wake through the night? Isn't that therefore defined as NOT sleeping through? I haven't read the book so I may be misunderstanding what you're saying. Or do you keep feeding them when they wake for a feed, ie there's no rule that says "do not feed them if they wake" ? :confused:

[Mischief]

Wait - genuine question here: So they sleep through but you can feed them if they wake through the night? Isn't that therefore defined as NOT sleeping through? I haven't read the book so I may be misunderstanding what you're saying. Or do you keep feeding them when they wake for a feed, ie there's no rule that says "do not feed them if they wake" ? :confused:

Nope, if they wake during the night they arent sleeping thru....but the routines *encourage* them to sleep thru with a dream feed (you get them up and feed them while they are still asleep).

They also have a strict routine of *7pm down to sleep and 7am up for the day*....

Tizzie is a beliver in a routine for feeding during the day, but they demand feed pretty much during the night....

Its one of the reasons I havent started the routines yet....I'm waiting for Oliver to start solids, because there is NO WAY he is going 3 or more hours between feeds during the day..... LOL My little man has 7 feeds a day! Sometimes more! And there is NO CONSOLING HIM until he has food, if he has decided he is hungry!

[the_queen]

Oh ok, fair enough! Thanks :thumbsup:
Yeah I agree with you, I don't see how anyone can expect a little bubba to wait for feeds - they know when they're hungry!
I wonder if Tizzie Hall will change her opinion about routine feeding when she has her own babies.

[bel_aiden]

i agree with them not having to wait for their feed either, aiden is demand fed (100% boob) but now he only feeds evry 4 hrs.. and a snack in the arvo too. but when we started the routine, i wasnt to stressed on feeding times, i gave him feeds at that time.. but top ups in between..
do i make sense? lol

[vanillabean]

I will aim to find the book somewhere tomorrow (I live in a small town). We are desperate for a full nights sleep. Our DD was sleeping okay until she hit the 12 month mark and is now almost 17 months. I am going crazy, so I will definitely give it a go. Thanks.

[Mischief]

I think she has some really good ideas and stuff....but I find a routine a bit to restrictive....esp once i go back to work, I cant see either mum or my mother in law sorting their lives around his routine.

I am loosely using her routines though, and they are great. :)

[sam's mum]

I have not been totally strict on the routines, but I have been using all of the settling techniques. the times that she had for meals was already when we were feeding, except that instead of giving a milk feed at lunch, I feed at 3pm. This means that if I have to work or whatever during the day, I don't have to worry about expressing or anything. It seems to work for Sam anyway.

[Sonja]

I too follow her routine (loosely) but have never been able to get my head around her settling technique. I can't bear to hear Lucy cry for very long. She's 11 months now though and still not sleeping through and I think the time has come to bite the bullett :eek: . I have her settling routine for up to 8 months - can anyone tell me what the settling deal is for an 11 month old?

[MamaSage]

I wonder if Tizzie Hall will change her opinion about routine feeding when she has her own babies.


BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Good one! Or when she attains a qualification in some child related study...;)

[sam's mum]

The routine for 9 to 12 months is:
milk feeds: 7am 11am 6.40pm

solids: 8am 12 noon 5pm

sleep times: 9.30am 1.30pm

bedtime: 7pm

If they wake up before 7am, try not to feed them until 7am. If they aren't awake at 7am, wake them up. (who the heck wants to wake up a sleeping baby)

wake up baby for 11am feed.

don't let baby sleep past 4.15pm from afternoon sleep

When getting close to one year old, babies may be ready for a change in routine. Other babies may stick to the above routine until they are 18mths. It is hard to have a set routine for a baby after 1 year as their sleep needs start to vary more greatly.

This was all taken from the book. Good luck

[sam's mum]

whoops, read the question wrong. The settling thing for this age is to lay them down 15 times then leave the room for a minimum of 20 minutes. If still crying a protest cry go back in and stay with them until the are asleep.

a noisy baby doesn't necessarily mean that something is wrong, try to tell the difference between shouting and crying.
Have a bedtime routine and lay baby down into cot. stand back and watch. if they get, lay them down again. do this 15 times then leave. wait at least the minimum time before going back in. This time keep laying them down, when you notice them taking longer to get up put your hand on their back/tummy and say 'good girl/boy' once. if they try to get up, don't hold them there, lay them down again. if they stay down, put your hand on them for one minute as a reward, then take it away. repeat until asleep.

The second time should take about half the time of the first, the third about half the time of the second. On about day 3 it will be the worst as a last ditch effort. After this it should be pretty much solved.

this is according to the book. it is worthwhile reading because there is so much more in there with background to the technique.

[amymay]

we love tizzie hapll is this house hold too, has worked like a dream for my 10.5 month old son.

[maartysmum]

Hi all,
Tizzie is welcome in this house any day.

My son has been on her routines since he was 8 weeks old. He is now 6.5 months. He sleeps 7pm to 7am every night without even a whisper! I really think that Tizzie's routines had everything to do with it.

He settles really well too, Tizzie recommends no dummy so I did away with it at 5 weeks, the best thing is to find a comforter to get your baby to sleep and make sure that you introduce it - so something like a blanket or tag on the back of his PJ's - my son chose his thumb!

[Lalin]

I read it while I was pregnant with my first baby and realized soon after he was born that feeding and putting baby to sleep on a fixed schedule was ridiculous. Check out http://parentingbabytosleep.blogspot.com/2008/02/save-our-sleep-by-tizzie-hall-or-tizzy.html

Much much much better books are Sleeping Like a Baby by Pinky McKay and The No-Cry Sleep Solution by Elizabeth Pantley.

[sam's mum]

I read it while I was pregnant with my first baby and realized soon after he was born that feeding and putting baby to sleep on a fixed schedule was ridiculous. Check out http://parentingbabytosleep.blogspot.com/2008/02/save-our-sleep-by-tizzie-hall-or-tizzy.html

Much much much better books are Sleeping Like a Baby by Pinky McKay and The No-Cry Sleep Solution by Elizabeth Pantley.

firstly - you realise that this was from 2006 right...

secondly - each baby is different and will respond to different things. as I already said, I don't follow the routines strictly and therefore don't have them on a fixed schedule. I used Tizzie Hall for DD2 as well and she responds to it very well also. Once again it was an idea of a routine that we followed loosely, not something that we followed to the minute.

lastly - I will parent my child in the way that I believe works best for me and my child so feel free not to tell me that what I am doing is ridiculous, that is just rude. you may want to find a nicer way to get your points across.

thanks for the suggestions of further reading, but I read a wide variety already and this is what works for us.

[DALLASMUM]

i agree with you sams mum, i was bordering on PND with my third baby i just could not work out what he wanted.............. which ment i fed him constantly and i needed a break at least now ON OUR VERSION OF HER ROUTINE FINE TUNED FOR OUR BABY i can leave him at home with dad and know he has been fed and will be fine. This book helped me realise what he needed. it is not the bible that we use to raise our child...... just another peice of advice we use to make our own decision. It is no different to what many sleep schools recommend.

[PandP]

Hi :wave:

I just found it easy to read, well set out. In the early days there was no way I could concentrate on a book but this one just seemed easy to read. I still look at it from time to time just to see the different ages/sleep patterns.

I had NO IDEA about sleep. It's like anything, you read stuff. I liked it and I also liked a little sleep guide put out by South Aus - but again, the book just breaks everything down to the point that helped me.

It gave me a guide and I too "tweeked" it to our own version. Should also add that DH happily read each "guide" when the time came and was very supportive.

Yes - there are many different opinions on sleep methods and some work for you and some don't. But this one worked for me.

Hope Sam is still doing OK with his sleeps! :goodvibes:

[sam's mum]

Hi :wave:
Hope Sam is still doing OK with his sleeps! :goodvibes:

if I don't put him to bed on time, he takes himself to bed. sometimes he tells me, sometimes he just goes. :o

[PandP]

Excellent!!

I found the methods very gentle with my ds and he responded well to each stage of development (so far!!) :smiliedance:

You take from it what is right for you, what I needed was the times, maybe that sounds silly to some but I needed that, and if it works you are like this :smiliedance: :goodvibes: :sunshine: :D


OK, I admit, I luv TH too :bee:

[kbradley]

I just wanted to say I love Tizzie Hall as well. Most people who form opinions on Tizzie don't fully understand the book or it's methods and think that it is simply about letting your child cry for hours on end....rather than through routines and repitition eliminating crying. I used it with my first child from when she was 6 weeks old and it saved me.

People would often comment on what a happy and contented baby she was, she never cried because she had no reason to cry for her food or cry to be put to bed, she knew what was happening when and that her needs were always going to be met.

I will definently be using Tizzie's methods for my second child due in 3 weeks.

[fludo]

Can anyone tell me her settling techniques and routine for a 5-week old?

[MumtoTJ]

I was also wondering if anyone could tell me about her routine and settling techniques for a 5 month old on solids?

Thanks

[sam's mum]

I don't have copies of the routines anymore sorry, I just got the book from the library when I needed it.

[vanessasoma]

Tizzy Hall's routines didn't work for us at all! Our bub got constipated from starting solids at 4 months (as she suggests) and although we have been followng the routines strictly for 6 weeks now there has been absolutely no change in her night sleeping and she actually sleeps LESS during the day.

We were putting bub down for 4 naps a day (she only sleeps half hour at a time), but Tizzy reccomends only two. By the time she gets to them she is so overtired it's a bit of a drama.

I also disagree with what she says about "baby revenge" and babies throwing up on purpose to get attention. I think that's ridiculous. Babies are much too innocent to think of anything like that, what a terrible way to see your child!

Anyway, just letting you know an alternate view on that book. It didn't work for us at all.

[Fuchsia!]

isn't she the crazy lady who tells you if they vomit from screaming when trying to get them to sleep is to not make eye contact and just put a towel under its head and walk back out?

[Mrs Nietzsche]

I've seen some appalling questions asked because of her in the breastfeeding forum- recipe for disaster.

[garfield13]

Big Tizzie fan here to, we followed the breastfed routines since birth and it worked wonderfully for us, I really dont know where I would have been without it.
Theres a big difference between letting a bub fuss or protest cry and distressed crying / crying it out. Tizzie is against both controlled crying and cio.



I wonder if Tizzie Hall will change her opinion about routine feeding when she has her own babies. Im pretty sure shes acutally pregnant with her second bub and still agrees with her routines

[V8]

This thread is from 2006, i might close this and ask your question in a new thread hopemum.