View Full Version : Boo to you, primary school!
UmmInayah
16-10-2009, 09:46
I am absolutely ropable!
My nephew who is 8, got detention. (I know, detention in a primary school, wtf?!), anyway, it was during lunch time, so he assumed that he had to go there and then. Which he did. (He was supposed to go the following day during lunch)
He was question the following day as to why he didn't turn up for detention. He said he had. The principal told him not to lie and said he was not there (which he was.. he was just there on the wrong day).. So he said, "Okay, I wasn't there on that day"
The principal called him a liar, and another teacher said to him "You must be a disgrace to your parents"
I CANNOT BELIEVE THE AUDACITY OF THIS TEACHER!! How DARE she, and how DARE the principal call him a liar!
This has only furthered my want to homeschool my children. At least I know my children will ALWAYS be treated with respect.
I wish I knew the name of this teacher so I can give her a big fat wallop!
:eek: :eek: That is disgraceful.
Your poor little nephew.
There is no way I could even imagine a teacher at either of my DS's schools speaking or behaving like that.
Shame on them:(.
Just Add Water
16-10-2009, 09:56
And this just reaffirms my love for our school...
That's disgraceful!
TripleTime
16-10-2009, 10:07
Im mortified!!
Id be reporting them to the school board!!
breechmumma
16-10-2009, 10:15
Take it further. I was made fun of by a teacher in high school in front of my class because I didn't know how many students went to the school. My mum ripped them a new one.
She used the line "HOW DARE YOU" all the time when teachers pushed the boundries.
No child should be spoken to that way. Even criminals that have committed murder have more rights then that. Disgusting. What are they teaching him about life by talking to him like that. That even if you do make up for your mistakes you will always be a disappointment and your family will hate you and that no one trusts you.
elleandsam
16-10-2009, 10:19
That is horrible. Report them! And maybe your nephew could go to another school if it gets any worse.
UmmInayah
16-10-2009, 10:31
Take it further. I was made fun of by a teacher in high school in front of my class because I didn't know how many students went to the school. My mum ripped them a new one.
She used the line "HOW DARE YOU" all the time when teachers pushed the boundries.
No child should be spoken to that way. Even criminals that have committed murder have more rights then that. Disgusting. What are they teaching him about life by talking to him like that. That even if you do make up for your mistakes you will always be a disappointment and your family will hate you and that no one trusts you.
I never thought of it that way.
If you knew my nephew, you know he would never lie about anything. If his mum asked him who did something, he would always own up. He is such a precious child :(
I am so hurt that this has happened.
My sister is at the school with her husband as we speak. I just hope she tells them right off and that the teacher gets a big fat lecture or a big fat pink slip to say she's been fired for being cruel.
I wish I knew the name of this teacher so I can give her a big fat wallop!
the teacher gets a big fat lecture or a big fat pink slip to say she's been fired for being a downright b!tch.
Working as a techer for nearly 15yrs I actually find your comments offensive.....the best course of action is always to approach the teacher and principal in a calm manner to discuss issues that arise.... teachers have bad days too.....while I am certainly not saying this teachers behaviour is OK I think you should remember the hundreds of kids lives he/she has also influenced positively....like any situation in life perhaps you should try and look at it from the other side.....for an 8yr old to have a detention and for the principal to be involved something serious must have happened??
UmmInayah
16-10-2009, 16:23
Working as a techer for nearly 15yrs I actually find your comments offensive.....the best course of action is always to approach the teacher and principal in a calm manner to discuss issues that arise.... teachers have bad days too.....while I am certainly not saying this teachers behaviour is OK I think you should remember the hundreds of kids lives he/she has also influenced positively....like any situation in life perhaps you should try and look at it from the other side.....for an 8yr old to have a detention and for the principal to be involved something serious must have happened??
He was found out of bounds.
He's not my child. He is my sisters - and she did as you said.
And yes, you are right it is NOT okay. If you're having a bad day, take it out elsewhere, not on the children you're supposed to be caring for.
As adults we have the ability to stop, take a breath, and calm down before we make blatant remarks to children like this. Comments from people in an authoritarian position influence children a lot.
:eek:I was under the impression that was a good school????:dizzy:
So sorry about your nephew, and I do hope that principal gets her attitude sorted!
UmmInayah
16-10-2009, 16:30
:eek:I was under the impression that school was a good school????:dizzy:
So sorry about your nephew, and I do hope that principal gets her attitude sorted!
I went there as a child, and yeah it was a good school.. It still is.. I guess this was just an off situation
4OnEarth1InHeaven
16-10-2009, 16:40
cja - having worked in childcare if we were to speak to a child like that we would be given a written warning 3 strikes and you are out! I would hope the school system would be the same! It does not matter if you are having a bad day we all do but it is no excuse, as a parent i would be very upset and be speaking to the princiapal and teacher involved i would go in calmy but i can tell you if they did not get what was done was wrong they would have one very angry mother on their hands.
Hope your nephew is ok words like that can really hurt an 8yr old. Give him :hugs: for me
*babygirl*
16-10-2009, 16:51
Working as a techer for nearly 15yrs I actually find your comments offensive.....the best course of action is always to approach the teacher and principal in a calm manner to discuss issues that arise.... teachers have bad days too.....while I am certainly not saying this teachers behaviour is OK I think you should remember the hundreds of kids lives he/she has also influenced positively....like any situation in life perhaps you should try and look at it from the other side.....for an 8yr old to have a detention and for the principal to be involved something serious must have happened??
the teacher was out of line... children will be children and there is never a good excuse to belittle a child and call them names... and i guess it doesnt matter how many lives a teacher affects positively... when the ones she/he affects negatively may have issues forever. every child deserves respect!
i used to get detentions in high school for asking my teachers to use their manners when they asked me to do something... just because they were the teacher did not mean that me as a 15/16/17 year old didnt deserve human decency! you should have HEARD what the teachers came out with...i lost respect for them.. you can always measure a person by the way they treat animals and children!!
It's not ok that the teacher and principal spoke badly to your nephew. Its not ok that he felt intimidated and was punished because the detention system was not clearly explained to him! :no:
BUT
You comment about "detention in primary school (I know WTF)" worries me a bit! Yes primary school's use detention as part of their WHOLE school behaviour management policy and I franky can't see anything wrong with it. I am assuming your nephew KNEW he was out of bounds and KNEW it was the wrong thing to do. Perhaps detention in his case was a harsh consequence but I still believe it has an important role to play in primary schools.
I recently sent a 7 year old child in my class to detention. Well the principal did after he called some other children "f*cking C*nt's" and then the following week wrote those words all over his chair. I am sorry but that child KNEW he was doing the wrong thing and I believe his punishment was fitting! :yes:
mum2bubba
16-10-2009, 17:40
I wish I had it in me to home school, I really do. :(
I'd would have gone up to the school and had a few words to the teacher and principal. How are kids supposed to learn about respect and all that if adults don't have any?
UmmInayah
16-10-2009, 17:45
It's not ok that the teacher and principal spoke badly to your nephew. Its not ok that he felt intimidated and was punished because the detention system was not clearly explained to him! :no:
BUT
You comment about "detention in primary school (I know WTF)" worries me a bit! Yes primary school's use detention as part of their WHOLE school behaviour management policy and I franky can't see anything wrong with it. I am assuming your nephew KNEW he was out of bounds and KNEW it was the wrong thing to do. Perhaps detention in his case was a harsh consequence but I still believe it has an important role to play in primary schools.
I recently sent a 7 year old child in my class to detention. Well the principal did after he called some other children "f*cking C*nt's" and then the following week wrote those words all over his chair. I am sorry but that child KNEW he was doing the wrong thing and I believe his punishment was fitting! :yes:
When I was in primary school (not that long ago) detention was unheard of! So that is why I am shocked. I don't care so much about him getting it, but how he was treated for simply going the wrong day. Called a liar etc.
I am absolutely ropable!
My nephew who is 8, got detention. (I know, detention in a primary school, wtf?!), anyway, it was during lunch time, so he assumed that he had to go there and then. Which he did. (He was supposed to go the following day during lunch)
He was question the following day as to why he didn't turn up for detention. He said he had. The principal told him not to lie and said he was not there (which he was.. he was just there on the wrong day).. So he said, "Okay, I wasn't there on that day"
The principal called him a liar, and another teacher said to him "You must be a disgrace to your parents"
I CANNOT BELIEVE THE AUDACITY OF THIS TEACHER!! How DARE she, and how DARE the principal call him a liar!
This has only furthered my want to homeschool my children. At least I know my children will ALWAYS be treated with respect.
I wish I knew the name of this teacher so I can give her a big fat wallop!
A part from your absolute faith in the honesty of your Nephew, how do you know he wasn't lying? Has his parents spoken to the teachers and asked why they believe he was lying?
I don't believe any child should be told that they are a disgrace to their parents as I cannot think of many things more hurtful. However I have seen too many children who lie, misbehave and then have the envious ability to make their parents believe they are the most honest, quiet and nicest children on this planet.
This is not to say he was lying, just that many children do lie and many parents would never ever believe that their child lies.
He was question the following day as to why he didn't turn up for detention. He said he had. The principal told him not to lie and said he was not there (which he was.. he was just there on the wrong day).. So he said, "Okay, I wasn't there on that day"
The principal called him a liar, and another teacher said to him "You must be a disgrace to your parents"
Who told this story? Was it the child himself, or an independent witness? Because, if it was the child, I suspect, at best, some level of embellishment.
There is no child on the planet so honest that he will never lie to get out of trouble. None.
I think his parents should be making an appointment to talk to the principal and teacher to clarify what happened and what was said. Not in an accusing way, but in a clarifying way, and to work out the best way to go forward.
Detention is a regularly used and quite standard behaviour management strategy (among many others) used in almost all primary schools. I don't get the scandalisation. How do you suggest we deal with children doing the wrong thing?
Out of bounds areas are almost always out of bounds for safety reasons - unsupervised or dangerous in other ways. If he was in a known out of bounds area, then presumably the school's system, which he would know, provides for a detention.
Let the school do its job and leave the matter to the school and the parents.
missie_mack
20-10-2009, 18:32
I think you should remember the hundreds of kids lives he/she has also influenced positively....like any situation in life perhaps you should try and look at it from the other side.....
And perhaps we need to also consider the flip side of the coin and the amount of lives this teacher may have negatively impacted prior to this occassion that have been swept under the rug or not questioned by the parent. Unfortunately not all teachers are good teachers :(
I have no problem with detention in primary because I got it alot :rolleyes: But yeah OMG! What a horrible person!!
You comment about "detention in primary school (I know WTF)" worries me a bit! Yes primary school's use detention as part of their WHOLE school behaviour management policy and I franky can't see anything wrong with it.
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Detention is a regularly used and quite standard behaviour management strategy (among many others) used in almost all primary schools. I don't get the scandalisation. How do you suggest we deal with children doing the wrong thing?
Out of bounds areas are almost always out of bounds for safety reasons - unsupervised or dangerous in other ways. If he was in a known out of bounds area, then presumably the school's system, which he would know, provides for a detention.
:iagree::iagree:with both you girls :D
We have detention Monday to Thursday at our school. If we didn't have detention, then it would be mayhem.
Children get 3 days of recess and lunch detention fo being out of bounds, leaving the classroom without permission, swearing at teachers and many other things.
It is all listed on our school behaviour matrix which is displayed in all classrooms and regularly reviewed with the students. Not that they need it, children are quite aware of the rules and consequences. In fact, they love rules.
The kids know if they break the rules, they suffer the consequences. Simple.
Sometimes young children elaborate stories and see reality in a different way to what actually happened. So "Your behaviour has been disgraceful today, Joe" turns into "You must be a disgrace to your parents, Joe" at 3.30pm when an angry Joe gets home and relays his story. It's quite normal for young children to do this.
It's unfortunate the principal and teacher can't defend themselves as there's two sides to every story.
I wish I knew the name of this teacher so I can give her a big fat wallop!
I find it interesting that as a way of expressing your disgust at the lack of respect shown to your nephew you would enact or talk about enacting violence on this teacher.
Not sure if there's a good lesson in there for your nephew...
You also said that as adults we have the ability to stop take a breath and think about what we're saying to children. Maybe we could do this when we deal with other adults as well.
mum2peanut
20-10-2009, 20:04
Did he explain that he went on the wrong day? Or go and find a teacher when he turned up to detention and no one was there?
Our school also uses lunchtime detention as a consequence and I don't think it's unreasonable, we always alert the parents if they are on detention.
I too think that the story often gets changed in translation, I would as a parent approach the teacher involved to hear their side of the story.
Who told this story? Was it the child himself, or an independent witness? Because, if it was the child, I suspect, at best, some level of embellishment.
There is no child on the planet so honest that he will never lie to get out of trouble. None.
I think his parents should be making an appointment to talk to the principal and teacher to clarify what happened and what was said. Not in an accusing way, but in a clarifying way, and to work out the best way to go forward.
Detention is a regularly used and quite standard behaviour management strategy (among many others) used in almost all primary schools. I don't get the scandalisation. How do you suggest we deal with children doing the wrong thing?
Out of bounds areas are almost always out of bounds for safety reasons - unsupervised or dangerous in other ways. If he was in a known out of bounds area, then presumably the school's system, which he would know, provides for a detention.
Let the school do its job and leave the matter to the school and the parents.
What a great post.
Lucky no names of the professionals commented about have been mentioned because some of the comments are quite defamatory.
Who told this story? Was it the child himself, or an independent witness? Because, if it was the child, I suspect, at best, some level of embellishment.
There is no child on the planet so honest that he will never lie to get out of trouble. None.
I think his parents should be making an appointment to talk to the principal and teacher to clarify what happened and what was said. Not in an accusing way, but in a clarifying way, and to work out the best way to go forward.
Detention is a regularly used and quite standard behaviour management strategy (among many others) used in almost all primary schools. I don't get the scandalisation. How do you suggest we deal with children doing the wrong thing?
Out of bounds areas are almost always out of bounds for safety reasons - unsupervised or dangerous in other ways. If he was in a known out of bounds area, then presumably the school's system, which he would know, provides for a detention.
Let the school do its job and leave the matter to the school and the parents.
:iagree:
Good post
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