♥ Jan 09 Mums ♥ - October Chat

[bootiful]

PLEASE MAKE THIS STICKY KIRST :D

October already...geeeezzzz louise.

Nic is 9 months in 2 weeks...wooowzas :eek:

Steph is 4 in 2 weeks...double :eek::eek:

Anyhoo....better go clean up :laughing:

:flowerz:

[Brumington301]

Hi again,

Thank you all so much for your responses. I really am so lucky to have you lovely ladies who I can turn to. I just wanted you all to know that I think so much of you all and really appreciate you. :hugs:

Of course you are all right. I read Tracy and Fugs responses first up (thanks you two for replying so quickly) and thought - yep, I have to just phone, let her do the talking and just listen. So, I had a shower and prepared myself for the phone call only to get the message bank. I'm ashamed to say while leaving a message to let her know I'm here for her, my voice broke and I struggled to compose myself to finish the call. She phoned me back immediately having not heard my message but having known it was my call that she'd missed. I swear girls, I am in awe of her. She manages to find courage and strength from the deepest parts of her and they just shine through. She is extremely positive, knowing she and the baby are in the best hands and she really sees this as a hiccup along the way to having her beautiful baby in her arms in a few months - as she said, perhaps a little earlier than she's imagined. She really is a beautiful woman. I pray that she is right and I just so hope to be playing with that beautiful baby next year. Nobody deserves the pain and suffering that she is going through right now - all this at the end of a very hard couple of years for both her, her DH and their families.

Shell - you're right. You do know me. I was feeling guilty for the gift I have been given and selfish for my desire to want more. However, I read your post and although you made me cry (!) you gave me that other perspective. I should not feel guilty for having my beautiful little man, just blessed. Thank you for your prayers tonight X :hugs:

Thanks also to you Angel. I hope you have a bit of success with that routine.

:hugs: Thanks again girls - I really mean that.

[wildoats]

Hey Brum,

Been so busy today... I was wanting to post a msg to you on FB to see how your finger is... I'm really sorry to hear about your friend. I was going to say the same things as Tracy, Fugs and Shell. You really don't need to say much, just be there for her. Like Shell my prayers will be with her and you tonight. Sending you big hugs - xx

[MuMmyof1nRNtoMaNY]

Hi Ladies:wave:

I have finally got a chance to write :)

Been so busy latley.

Researching different job oppertunities, seeing my mum, seeing the MIL, going to swimming lessons, seeing my dad, trying to get Marley to sleep without being wrapped. *sigh

Sorry Im not going to attempt personals, I have been keeping up to date with everyones posts, but just havent had the time to write myslef. I will try from now on to keep up with the posting!!

Marley is going pretty good, although I think he may be a little sick again, he was very wingey after his first sleep this morning and had a low grade temp before I put him to bed for his second sleep at 12.30ish :( he woke once close to 2pm but he went back to sleep and he is still asleep.:eek: Its the longest day sleep he has ever had in his life!!! :fingerscrossed: he wakes up ok!!

He is now desperatly trying to crawl, but, true to from will only do it from a sitting position, if i put him on his tummy he just gets cross and rolls over lol. He is starting to pull himself up on things and has already worked out how open the draws!!! I think im going to have to baby proof this house very very soon.

Oh, I have also been fighting to get under control his eczema for a few weeks. Cant remember who else it was who used to get it really bad (sorry)?? How did you get it under control?? I think it may be due to a food intolerance unfortunatly, so Ive got an appointment with the Pead on Tuesday, hopefully we can get it sorted out, some days it looks terrible :crying:

Well, I hope everyone is having a great week and have exciting things planned for the weekend!

I better be off.

Take care
xo

[wildoats]

OK what is up with BH? I just posted a massive post and lost it all again... I really do not have the time and I certainly do not have the energy for this... but here I go AGAIN.

Brum- How are you gorgeous? How is the beautiful O? I hope your lil finger is OK. God your such a strong women... I think I would have fainted! How is your friend? I hope everything is well :hugs: big hugs to you.


Oh, I have also been fighting to get under control his eczema for a few weeks. Cant remember who else it was who used to get it really bad (sorry)?? How did you get it under control?? I think it may be due to a food intolerance unfortunatly, so Ive got an appointment with the Pead on Tuesday, hopefully we can get it sorted out, some days it looks terrible

Sharne- :hugs:hey I missed you. I would love to help you, but I don't know much about eczema. Poor little Marley. Is it painful? Good luck with the Doctor, I hope you find out what it is.

AFM- Well I'm in a little bit of a funk at the moment... I just feel overwhelmed with everything - studying, housework, upset teething baby etc. blah blah... It's not that I'm really unhappy... I have never been an unhappy person :D, just feel... mmmm what do I feel? I don't know lol. I have a beautiful husband who loves me and the most gorgeous baby - I truly adore being a mummy to her... it's just sometimes I wish someone could look after me... someone could change Ayla's nappies, someone could clean the house, someone could do my assignments (haha)... etc. Not that DH does not want to look after me or help me... it just seems that he is either working, sleeping :sleeping: (oh I need more of this), or building his garage. If he knew how I felt he would drop everything for me - but I just can't ask for help! Grrrr I just feel sometimes I need to do it all and that it's weak to ask for help. To top it all off I feel really alone sometimes. DH's family are busy doing there thing, my sister is busy working (she only lives an hour away - which is good), my family are in Byron, my friends here are busy working, my mothers group I have lost contact with. But then I guess it comes down to time... I just have none! I actually don't have time to socialise! Crazy I know... and sometimes I feel like I don't have the energy... OK I have poured my heart out - thee is nothing left (I have a tear in my eye)... :crying: you know maybe I just need a good old cry!

OK enough of that! I have a question. Does anyone do "terry toweling" nappies (the ones you fold). I have been doing them since Ayla was born, so I don't know why it has taken my nearly nine months to ask... but here I go anyway lol. How often do you change your baby's nappy? With disposable I don't change her much, but with cloth its like every ten seconds... And does anyone use pre-made cloth nappies? How often do you change your baby's nappy? I'm just sick of the workload and I'm thinking of buying some pre-made cloth nappies. I'm a little concerned about the price as a pack of terry toweling nappies cost me $20 for a pack of 12 which will last me until Ayla is out of nappies.

Goodnight everyone, I'm off to do an assignment GRRRRRRR.

Oats x

PS WHERE IS FARMER SHELL THESE days!!! I had to water your garden the other day! I miss my neighbor :rain:...

[Cordelia]

Evening everyone!!!

haven't been on in a whiel so i'm a little out of the times!! been very busy painting the house and got DH home for the next week to do stuff around the house

it is our 6 year wedding anniversary on sunday so we aer going away for the night!! NO KIDS!!!! we are going to rendez vous observation city and then taking DH to gold class movies. OMG!!!!!!!!! He has no idea - he will die. I AM SO EXCITED.

ok.... hehe...

brum - ah goodness :( i think you really feel for friends who go through things like this when you have a precious precious bundle yourself. you are such a good friend caring for her - i would just call and follow her lead - she will talk about it if she wants to or appreciate the distraction.

sharne - good luck with the wrapping!! we are going through the same with daniel... i think with DD (i was trying to remember) we just went through several days of pretty much letting her figure it out for herself. It's harder nwo that daniel is pulling himself up on the rails .. driving me nuts. Daytime sleeps have bene a nightmare for weeks. I can't wait to get it sorted!!

Excema - daniel suffers from excema. but now that I've pretty much figured out what causes it he doesn't get it very often. I don't put him on the grass anymroe (even on a rug), I use sensitive washing liquid for ALL of us (because if you're holidng him his face flares), and women who know us know not to wear strong perfume aroudn him too!!! He has been getting it a little more in the last few days and i think it has to do with hayfever season and the fact we're painting the house. OO! and I use dermaveen in his bath and also the cream on his face every now and then if I notice it's getting dry. different skin is different - i know others who swear by paw paw cream too but it doesn't work for daniel. hope that helps!!!!!!!!

Oats :( :( :( I really felt for you reading your post. :hugs: It's perfectly normal to feel that way and you shoudln't feel guilty. you give so much for your family that sometimes things build up and you realise you forget to look after yourself. I know you think that you don't have enough energy to do things for yourslef, but it might be what you need to revitalise your energy and help you feel more positive about the mundane parts of your life. And I hope you are talking to DH about all this missy!!!

One thing I read about being a Mum to young kids (and (whilst being amazing and wonderful) how imprisoning, stifling and monotonous it can seem) is that it WON'T last forever and YOUR TIME WILL COME. this is just a temporary phase of your life. I have found myself hanging on to that when i'm having a hard day and think to myself - SURELy there is more to life than this....

Hope you can have some refreshing time on the weekend.

hvae a great w/e everyone else too!!! think of me painting with 2 little ratbags!!!

[wildoats]

Thanks Cord,
It's nice to know that what I'm feeling is normal... and that is won't last forever - I do know this but its good to hear it again, because sometimes it feels like it never will. I do actually feel better today.

Have a great night Cord!:valentine: 6 years of marriage bliss! Congratulations! Oh you sound like your going to have a great night - lucky you!

Thanks for the hugs Cords... I needed that.

Oats x

[MuMmyof1nRNtoMaNY]

OK what is up with BH? I just posted a massive post and lost it all again... I really do not have the time and I certainly do not have the energy for this... but here I go AGAIN.
Not sure, i havent had any problems with it, BUT, it seems like your not the only one. So frustrating!! :geek:




Sharne- :hugs:hey I missed you. I would love to help you, but I don't know much about eczema. Poor little Marley. Is it painful? Good luck with the Doctor, I hope you find out what it is.

OHHH, Thanks for missing me, your so sweet!!
The eczema doesnt seem to bother him but it just looks so nasty some times. It looks much better today though. I think it may be caused by a food intolerance to either wheat or dairy as it has only appeared since introducing them. So I have taken him off them and will see how it goes. Hopefully the Pead will still be able to see it on Tuesday :laughing:




AFM- Well I'm in a little bit of a funk at the moment... I just feel overwhelmed with everything - studying, housework, upset teething baby etc. blah blah... It's not that I'm really unhappy... I have never been an unhappy person , just feel... mmmm what do I feel? I don't know lol. I have a beautiful husband who loves me and the most gorgeous baby - I truly adore being a mummy to her... it's just sometimes I wish someone could look after me... someone could change Ayla's nappies, someone could clean the house, someone could do my assignments (haha)... etc. Not that DH does not want to look after me or help me... it just seems that he is either working, sleeping (oh I need more of this), or building his garage. If he knew how I felt he would drop everything for me - but I just can't ask for help! Grrrr I just feel sometimes I need to do it all and that it's weak to ask for help. To top it all off I feel really alone sometimes. DH's family are busy doing there thing, my sister is busy working (she only lives an hour away - which is good), my family are in Byron, my friends here are busy working, my mothers group I have lost contact with. But then I guess it comes down to time... I just have none! I actually don't have time to socialise! Crazy I know... and sometimes I feel like I don't have the energy... OK I have poured my heart out - thee is nothing left (I have a tear in my eye)... you know maybe I just need a good old cry!

Oh Darling Girl :hugs::hugs: It is completely normal to feel the way you!! I think we all feel like that at some stage and Im pretty sure its how Shell (and I) were feeling last week. It will pass!! You are an amazing woman and you have taken on so much with studying at the same time as being a new mummy!! I dont think I could do it! Please let your DH know how you are feeling, even if you dont ask him specifically for help just let him know how you feel. Maybe you just need a little YOU time, or even some quality family time. last week my DH took me for a drive down to the Broadwater where they have just built a new park and pier and took me for a walk. It was so nice to get out of the house with him and Marley and forget about everything else (even if it was noly for a hour).




OK enough of that! I have a question. Does anyone do "terry toweling" nappies (the ones you fold). I have been doing them since Ayla was born, so I don't know why it has taken my nearly nine months to ask... but here I go anyway lol. How often do you change your baby's nappy? With disposable I don't change her much, but with cloth its like every ten seconds... And does anyone use pre-made cloth nappies? How often do you change your baby's nappy? I'm just sick of the workload and I'm thinking of buying some pre-made cloth nappies. I'm a little concerned about the price as a pack of terry toweling nappies cost me $20 for a pack of 12 which will last me until Ayla is out of nappies.

Goodnight everyone, I'm off to do an assignment GRRRRRRR.

Oats x

PS WHERE IS FARMER SHELL THESE days!!! I had to water your garden the other day! I miss my neighbor ..

I dont use cloth nappies, but I do know some girls who do and they use the pre-made ones as you can get absorbable linings for them whcih soak up a lot of the wee and then you only need to change the liner and not the whole nappy. They say it is much easier and there is less washing doing it this way. I hope that helps a little.

Oh and I hope you didnt stay up too late doing that assignment!!

Well i better go,
Hope your feeling a little better today!
Chat soon xoxo

[wildoats]

Sharne,

Thank you for your post :yes: your the best! Oh that sounds nice, going for a walk... a simple thing to do but I can't remember the last time we drove somewhere and just had a walk and relaxed.

I know I need to tell him I'm not really feeling 100%... I will try. It's just so hard to admit lol.

Thanks for the info. I have never heard of these liners. I have disposable nappy liners but they are not absorbent... I will look into that. I'm so sick of the washing!

Thank you once again for your post! I hope you have a great weekend :hugs:

Oats x

[bootiful]

Oh, I have also been fighting to get under control his eczema for a few weeks. Cant remember who else it was who used to get it really bad (sorry)?? How did you get it under control?? I think it may be due to a food intolerance unfortunatly, so Ive got an appointment with the Pead on Tuesday, hopefully we can get it sorted out, some days it looks terrible :crying:


Steph has excema and still has it almost 4 years later...we have no idea what causes it and it comes and goes as it pleases. It went completely when we were in Mauritius in Dec07 (humidy must of been good) but came back within weeks of returning to Oz. We have tried everything and now I just try to keep it soft and moist so she doesn't scratch it. If you wanna talk more bout it PM me.



AFM- Well I'm in a little bit of a funk at the moment... I just feel overwhelmed with everything - studying, housework, upset teething baby etc. blah blah... It's not that I'm really unhappy... I have never been an unhappy person :D, just feel... mmmm what do I feel? I don't know lol. I have a beautiful husband who loves me and the most gorgeous baby - I truly adore being a mummy to her... it's just sometimes I wish someone could look after me... someone could change Ayla's nappies, someone could clean the house, someone could do my assignments (haha)... etc. Not that DH does not want to look after me or help me... it just seems that he is either working, sleeping :sleeping: (oh I need more of this), or building his garage. If he knew how I felt he would drop everything for me - but I just can't ask for help! Grrrr I just feel sometimes I need to do it all and that it's weak to ask for help. To top it all off I feel really alone sometimes. DH's family are busy doing there thing, my sister is busy working (she only lives an hour away - which is good), my family are in Byron, my friends here are busy working, my mothers group I have lost contact with. But then I guess it comes down to time... I just have none! I actually don't have time to socialise! Crazy I know... and sometimes I feel like I don't have the energy... OK I have poured my heart out - thee is nothing left (I have a tear in my eye)... :crying: you know maybe I just need a good old cry!

OK enough of that! I have a question. Does anyone do "terry toweling" nappies (the ones you fold). I have been doing them since Ayla was born, so I don't know why it has taken my nearly nine months to ask... but here I go anyway lol. How often do you change your baby's nappy? With disposable I don't change her much, but with cloth its like every ten seconds... And does anyone use pre-made cloth nappies? How often do you change your baby's nappy? I'm just sick of the workload and I'm thinking of buying some pre-made cloth nappies. I'm a little concerned about the price as a pack of terry toweling nappies cost me $20 for a pack of 12 which will last me until Ayla is out of nappies.

Goodnight everyone, I'm off to do an assignment GRRRRRRR.

[COLOR=#006400]Oats

oh hun, you are feeling what most new mums feel and that is just totally overwhelmed...its normal and it will get easier i can promise you that....one day you will just feel at ease with it all...thats until you have your next one :D

take a walk and make sure you take time for you...:hugs: im here and on FB if you ever wanna chat


it is our 6 year wedding anniversary on sunday so we aer going away for the night!! NO KIDS!!!! we are going to rendez vous observation city and then taking DH to gold class movies. OMG!!!!!!!!! He has no idea - he will die. I AM SO EXCITED.


yay yay yay and more yay...hope you guys have a blast

[wildoats]

oh hun, you are feeling what most new mums feel and that is just totally overwhelmed...its normal and it will get easier i can promise you that....one day you will just feel at ease with it all...thats until you have your next one :D

take a walk and make sure you take time for you...:hugs: im here and on FB if you ever wanna chat

Thanks Angel, nice to know I'm not alone. It has been getting easier, I don't know just really have been having a bad week. I just put way too much pressure on myself. Thanks for the hugs xx

[MuMmyof1nRNtoMaNY]

it is our 6 year wedding anniversary on sunday so we aer going away for the night!! NO KIDS!!!! we are going to rendez vous observation city and then taking DH to gold class movies. OMG!!!!!!!!! He has no idea - he will die. I AM SO EXCITED.


sharne - good luck with the wrapping!! we are going through the same with daniel... i think with DD (i was trying to remember) we just went through several days of pretty much letting her figure it out for herself. It's harder nwo that daniel is pulling himself up on the rails .. driving me nuts. Daytime sleeps have bene a nightmare for weeks. I can't wait to get it sorted!!

Excema - daniel suffers from excema. but now that I've pretty much figured out what causes it he doesn't get it very often. I don't put him on the grass anymroe (even on a rug), I use sensitive washing liquid for ALL of us (because if you're holidng him his face flares), and women who know us know not to wear strong perfume aroudn him too!!! He has been getting it a little more in the last few days and i think it has to do with hayfever season and the fact we're painting the house. OO! and I use dermaveen in his bath and also the cream on his face every now and then if I notice it's getting dry. different skin is different - i know others who swear by paw paw cream too but it doesn't work for daniel. hope that helps!!!!!!!!



Hi Cords,

How was your night out??? Congrats on 6 years!! My 6 yr anneversiry is in Nov. 2003 was a great year to get married:D

Thanks for you info on excema. Paw paw doesnt work on Marley either. I have to go and get some dermavene, I have been using plain oats in a sock, but I cant stand the smell after its been used, makes me want to :barf:

Marleys sleeping is going pretty well!! I hope you get Daniels day sleeps sorted soon.

Take care
Sharne xo

[Brumington301]

Hello Everyone,

Hope all is well with all the Mummys and bubbys today. I'm sorry I've had a bit of absence recently but I'm back now and wanted to write a quick update on all that is going on.

Thank you again for all the thoughts and prayers for my friend and her baby - please keep them up and we'll get them through this. Her and her DH are such wonderful people they deserve the very best. Every night I ask my little O to have sweet thoughts about his new little friend when he goes to sleep and I say a little prayer for them too. :yes:

Some of you might know that my best friend in England is also pregnant and has had a bad start to her journey too. She sadly miscarried her first baby at 11 weeks but didn't find out until 13 weeks when she went in to get the scan done. Her second pregnancy has been worrying from the start in that she has bled quite heavily. At 8 weeks after she went to A&E due to heavy bleeding she was released home with a note to give her doctor that she was having another miscarriage and to just wait. Numerous scans and no real explanation later, she had a successful 12 week scan a few days ago. She still has to get the bloods done (for some reason they couldn't do it all at once) but the baby is well and growing at a normal rate and she hasn't bled for 10 days :yelclap:.

I only know two friends who are pregnant at the moment (apart from obviously TMD and M2M) and both are having problems and it has given me quite a bit to think about. Not to get too dark on you all, I have promised myself to always try and look positively at any challenges that might come my way and really appreciate what I do have rather than dwell on what I don't.

Sorry it's been a bit of a 'me' post but I promise to keep up from here on in. Just wanted to say quickly to WO that I hope you're OK and feeling a bit better in the last few days. What you are feeling is so perfectly natural and you shouldn't feel guilty for wanting a 'break'. The other day, I asked DH just to look after O while I had a lie down for a couple of hours and it was lovely. It also gives DH that quality time with him and I think he secretly likes it. O didn't have a sleep, was stripped to a nappy, had the dogs licking his feet and only finished half is lunch but, hey, he got over it - when I went out to the garage he was sat in his swing laughing away and enjoying having his 'boy time' with Daddy! I bet if you asked DH to look after Ayla for a few hours he'd be chuffed to pieces!

OK, I'm offski :wave:

[bootiful]

Thanks Angel, nice to know I'm not alone. It has been getting easier, I don't know just really have been having a bad week. I just put way too much pressure on myself. Thanks for the hugs xx

no worries babe..the pressure put on first times mums is crazy..and as you said you already put pressure on yourself as it is.

I totally understand the bad week...I have been having a bad month...but you wanna know my secret to not running off and killing myself (no im not serious, but it feels that way)....:sunshine: believe it or not..the past few days I have gone out in the sun and damn I feel so much better...the kids sleep better too once they have been out in the fresh air and sunshine.

Hang in there...and send me a message on FB if you ever wanna chat or just vent.


I have to go and get some dermavene

Just a word of warning hun, check the ingredients...im fuming big time cause sooo many "ECZEMA HEALING" products I have been sold, recommended, given are $h!te...they are full of parabens, SLS, SLES, etc...which makes skin go crazzzzzy :hair: Even the ones that say on the bottle ALL natural and FOR eczema.


Thank you again for all the thoughts and prayers for my friend and her baby - please keep them up and we'll get them through this.

Of course :flowerz:



Some of you might know that my best friend in England is also pregnant and has had a bad start to her journey too. She sadly miscarried her first baby at 11 weeks but didn't find out until 13 weeks when she went in to get the scan done. Her second pregnancy has been worrying from the start in that she has bled quite heavily. At 8 weeks after she went to A&E due to heavy bleeding she was released home with a note to give her doctor that she was having another miscarriage and to just wait. Numerous scans and no real explanation later, she had a successful 12 week scan a few days ago. She still has to get the bloods done (for some reason they couldn't do it all at once) but the baby is well and growing at a normal rate and she hasn't bled for 10 days :yelclap:.

That is just way too sad for one couple to endure....prayers are with them too that this sticky bubby stays put!

AFM - Nic is still not sleeping properly...my perfect little angel is all over the place...been told is most likely separation anxiety so not much I can do...ho hum

If anyone has any suggestions on how to get Nic to eat more solids..she only wants boob atm and to mush finger foods...it would be greatly appreciated. Im too tired to think and I have tried all the info in my parenting mags and the net.

[Cordelia]

Just a word of warning hun, check the ingredients...im fuming big time cause sooo many "ECZEMA HEALING" products I have been sold, recommended, given are $h!te...they are full of parabens, SLS, SLES, etc...which makes skin go crazzzzzy :hair: Even the ones that say on the bottle ALL natural and FOR eczema.



like i said... everyone's skin is different. Dermavene has been a life saver for daniel..... you can only give it a go.

Our weekend away was MAGNIFICENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just imagine this - pure silence, stretched out on bed (without kids jumping on you, pulling you, asking for attention) go to the loo when you want, have someone else cook for you, dont have to clean up after yourself, long bath with a book, gorgeous view, ARE YOU JEALOUS YET!!!!!!!! hehehehehe.... oo!! i forgot to mention the UNINTERRUPTED SLEEP and the SLEEP IN!!!!!

Thanks for your comments anyway :) I shouldnt' be rubbing it in - i'm just on a high!!! hehe... sharne I agree 2003 was a good year - altho we'll both be onto our 7 year itch soon!!! Dh and I are getting the pots and pans ready.

brum - that's beautiful about your DH and ayla - I love the picture you painted!! I sometimes watch DH with the kids and watch him do everything "wrong" and have to bite my tongue and remember that the relationship they have with our kids is just as special and precious.

[Nickimumto1]

Hello lovely ladies, :wave:

Not much is happening here, Liam is doiing well, still no new teeth, took him to the doctors but she could not find anything wrong with him. He is sleeping better now dont know what was wrong.

Meaghan is driving me a little nuts at the moment, how can a 3year old know just how to make you so mad, i am sad to say that i smacked Meaghan for the 1st time on the weekend. We were in the car stuck in trafic and she would not stop kicking my seat, so i turned around and smacked her leg, i did not mean to do it has hard as i did, i could feel my hand tingling after, and she screamed and cryed and i could not nothing about it but sit there. So i fished a lolly out of the glove box and she ate it and was happy as after that. But i felt so bad, she just knows how to make my blood boil.

Anyway hope all of you are doing well, better go put Liam in to bed. I am typing this with one hand and dodging slobed on rusk at the same time.

bye
:wave:

[wildoats]

Thank you again for all the thoughts and prayers for my friend and her baby - please keep them up and we'll get them through this. Her and her DH are such wonderful people they deserve the very best. Every night I ask my little O to have sweet thoughts about his new little friend when he goes to sleep and I say a little prayer for them too.

Some of you might know that my best friend in England is also pregnant and has had a bad start to her journey too. She sadly miscarried her first baby at 11 weeks but didn't find out until 13 weeks when she went in to get the scan done. Her second pregnancy has been worrying from the start in that she has bled quite heavily. At 8 weeks after she went to A&E due to heavy bleeding she was released home with a note to give her doctor that she was having another miscarriage and to just wait. Numerous scans and no real explanation later, she had a successful 12 week scan a few days ago. She still has to get the bloods done (for some reason they couldn't do it all at once) but the baby is well and growing at a normal rate and she hasn't bled for 10 days

I only know two friends who are pregnant at the moment (apart from obviously TMD and M2M) and both are having problems and it has given me quite a bit to think about. Not to get too dark on you all, I have promised myself to always try and look positively at any challenges that might come my way and really appreciate what I do have rather than dwell on what I don't.

Sorry it's been a bit of a 'me' post but I promise to keep up from here on in. Just wanted to say quickly to WO that I hope you're OK and feeling a bit better in the last few days. What you are feeling is so perfectly natural and you shouldn't feel guilty for wanting a 'break'. The other day, I asked DH just to look after O while I had a lie down for a couple of hours and it was lovely. It also gives DH that quality time with him and I think he secretly likes it. O didn't have a sleep, was stripped to a nappy, had the dogs licking his feet and only finished half is lunch but, hey, he got over it - when I went out to the garage he was sat in his swing laughing away and enjoying having his 'boy time' with Daddy! I bet if you asked DH to look after Ayla for a few hours he'd be chuffed to pieces!

Brum,
I have missed you! My prayers will continue for your friend. Thats so cute asking O to pray - and I'm sure he does too.

Oh Congratulations Brum on your friends so far successful pregnancy - I just couldn't imagine how scared she is at the moment. My prayers will be with her also.

Good on you Brum for looking on the bright side of things - can be so hard I'm sure... but you have one beautiful O to thank god for everyday


Thank you so much for your concern for me . I feel OK now... but still not 100%... haha on Daddy missing a bit of the routine, I find it hard sometimes for my DH to take over... he loves it, but not a real sticker to routine... but hey if she is safe and happy that is all I could ask for!

OK have to scan your post again because I think you didn't write about your finger... no you didn't... how is that lil finger???????



no worries babe..the pressure put on first times mums is crazy..and as you said you already put pressure on yourself as it is.

I totally understand the bad week...I have been having a bad month...but you wanna know my secret to not running off and killing myself (no im not serious, but it feels that way)... believe it or not..the past few days I have gone out in the sun and damn I feel so much better...the kids sleep better too once they have been out in the fresh air and sunshine.

Hang in there...and send me a message on FB if you ever wanna chat or just vent.

- Nic is still not sleeping properly...my perfect little angel is all over the place...been told is most likely separation anxiety so not much I can do...ho hum

If anyone has any suggestions on how to get Nic to eat more solids..she only wants boob atm and to mush finger foods...it would be greatly appreciated. Im too tired to think and I have tried all the info in my parenting mags and the net.

Thanks Angel, yes I think I try to get out in the sun and do my gardening but sometimes its so hard to just get out the door lol. About the breastfeeding.......... your prob going to hate me :no: please don't! But just don't give her any - she will soon learn... Ayla did! I only feed Ayla breastmilk three times in the day at a set time and that is that end of story... hope that helps maybe it doesn't I'm prob just sounding like a pain now! Hope your bad week is getting better :hugs:



Hello lovely ladies

Not much is happening here, Liam is doiing well, still no new teeth, took him to the doctors but she could not find anything wrong with him. He is sleeping better now dont know what was wrong.

Meaghan is driving me a little nuts

Nicki,
Hey sent you a msg on FB looking at your nappies - they look fantastic, do you have an internet site? glad Liam is better, I guess you never really know what is wrong with them... I'm sorry about Meaghan, thats no good at all. I wish I could help you :hugs:.


AFM- Went to my OB today. I don't know if I told you but when Ayla was a month old I had quite a large piece of my placenta come out. I was feeling really fluish before then... Anyway my GP at the time said not to worry about it (yes the same Doc who said Ayla was fat) so I didn't worry about it till now. IU have been getting my periods EVERY two weeks on the dot, so I thought I would see what my OB thought maybe it is conected to the issue with my placenta. So he thought it was a big issue and that I must have an ultrasound (on Thursday) so so I"M REALLY MAD WITH MY GP at the moment! And I will really not go back to her now! Anyhoo I will let you know the result when I go back to my OB on Tuesday next week.

Apart from that Ayla is just as beautiful as ever,,,,,,, BUT is not sleeping well. Her third tooth is coming. Ayla is now sliding and lunging forward on the floor so I think she will be crawling soon.

Thats about it.

Love to everyone else, Sharne (thank you for the nappy info :)), Tracy, Shell, EF, Kaz (did I hear on FB your getting married!), Didi, 1st timer, MTM, Sheree, Cord, MIW, Fug

[wildoats]

[QUOTE=Cordelia;4130580]
Our weekend away was MAGNIFICENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just imagine this - pure silence, stretched out on bed (without kids jumping on you, pulling you, asking for attention) go to the loo when you want, have someone else cook for you, dont have to clean up after yourself, long bath with a book, gorgeous view, ARE YOU JEALOUS YET!!!!!!!! hehehehehe.... oo!! i forgot to mention the UNINTERRUPTED SLEEP and the SLEEP IN!!!!!

QUOTE]

OHHHHHH so jealous! but so happy for you! Sounds like you had a great time x

[bootiful]

Thanks Angel, yes I think I try to get out in the sun and do my gardening but sometimes its so hard to just get out the door lol. About the breastfeeding.......... your prob going to hate me :no: please don't! But just don't give her any - she will soon learn... Ayla did! I only feed Ayla breastmilk three times in the day at a set time and that is that end of story... hope that helps maybe it doesn't I'm prob just sounding like a pain now! Hope your bad week is getting better :hugs:

It took me over an hour to get out the door today, took half the house with me too, just for a walk down the shops and park...man i was so tempted to just say f**k it and stay home, esp with Nic screaming at me for taking so long.

How did you go about dropping the feeds? How much solids was she on at the time? I would very interested in getting her into a better routine.


Meaghan is driving me a little nuts at the moment, how can a 3year old know just how to make you so mad, i am sad to say that i smacked Meaghan for the 1st time on the weekend. We were in the car stuck in trafic and she would not stop kicking my seat, so i turned around and smacked her leg, i did not mean to do it has hard as i did, i could feel my hand tingling after, and she screamed and cryed and i could not nothing about it but sit there. So i fished a lolly out of the glove box and she ate it and was happy as after that. But i felt so bad, she just knows how to make my blood boil.

You are not alone. I smack Steph quite a bit, on her hand if she has touched something or bum if she has done something naughty. I tell her off a lot too...it's the age....and it is a phase..they grow out of it when they are ooohhh let's say 30 HAHA :D Seriously, her new thing is "Mum, I can't" - when I ask her to do stuff, and "Mum, you have to"...it drives me nuts and makes my blood boil. Hang in there, im sure you are doing the best you can...big hugs!

[wildoats]

[QUOTE=angelbaby013;4133325]It took me over an hour to get out the door today, took half the house with me too, just for a walk down the shops and park...man i was so tempted to just say f**k it and stay home, esp with Nic screaming at me for taking so long.

How did you go about dropping the feeds? How much solids was she on at the time? I would very interested in getting her into a better routine.QUOTE]

Angel,

:sunshine:How is the sunshine today? Sydney is beautiful... however hail is forecasted soon! Oh just love a storm!

Well I had at the start difficulty dropping to three feeds per day. Dropping to five and four was no problem - but she just knew she was missing out when I went to only three feeds. But I persisted and just dealt with her cries - very hard to do. But she liked the yogurt and fruit I gave to her in place of the breastfeed and she seems fine with this now. As soon as Ayla was having three solids I decided to drop a feed. So now she has a breastfeed upon waking, solids for breakfast, breastfeed for morning snack lol, solids for lunch, solids for afternoon tea, solids for dinner and breast for supper. All at the exact time. She has heaps of water from a cup too, she hates the sippy cups - it's real cups all the way. Since she doesn't have that many bf now I make sure she has plenty of iron rich foods - spinach, lentils and red meat. Hope that helps... she will get used to it give it time. The only reason why I am cutting back is because I aim to have Ayla on two bf next year as I have to do prac.

Hope your feeling good today, x

[wildoats]

How does everyone like my new pic!?

[Brumington301]

Hello All,

WO - Who is that in your new pic? Am I really out of the loop here?! How are you going? Are you feeling any better? You certainly sound it if it's possible to 'sound' better on a website :laughing:. I know what you mean about relaxing when Dad takes over. I find myself biting my tongue all the time. DH always puts O's nappies on way too tight but I think if I complain he'll have every reason to not want to do it again so I just turn a blind eye. I know that even though he's not doing things my way, I'm not perfect either and at least it gives him that time with O.:)

AB - I p'd myself at your status on FB this morning. I just love the way you'd spelt malt out for Steph and she came out with a bombshell like she did! I would have been mortified but considering it's somebody elses child I always find the funny side of a child swearing out the blue! Just you wait I hear you say :D

Nickimum - Wow, you are one talented lady. I just love, love, love those nappies you've made - well done you. I'd love to get some pricing off of you :thumbsup:

Cords - glad you had a great weekend away. Sounds like a dream. How is Daniel? Is he getting over his illnesses?

Anyone have any ideas of getting rid of a chesty cough (sounding more like a 50-a-day habit) in a baby? O has had a terrible cough for over a week and it just doesn't seem to be shifting. I haven't taken him to the doctors cause he doesn't seem 'ill' IYKWIM? Do you think I should? I have been putting Baby Vicks on every night (chest, back and feet).

Hello everyone else :wave:

[MuMmyof1nRNtoMaNY]

Anyone have any ideas of getting rid of a chesty cough (sounding more like a 50-a-day habit) in a baby? O has had a terrible cough for over a week and it just doesn't seem to be shifting. I haven't taken him to the doctors cause he doesn't seem 'ill' IYKWIM? Do you think I should? I have been putting Baby Vicks on every night (chest, back and feet).

Hello everyone else :wave:

Brum,

Oh dear poor O :( Not good at all. Firstly i think you should take him off to your GP to get checked, just to be sure!! There are a few different things that can chesty coughs. It could be just a virus, it could be bronchiloitis, it could be croup the list does go on but the only realy way to tell is with a stethescope.

Unfortunatly there is not a lot that you can do for them when they have a cough. Deifinatly no cough medicine from the chemist!! It is very difficult to get over the counter now, which is great! (Im sure that some ppl dont agree) But, because babies can not cough to help themselves break up the phelm supressing their cough with medicine will stop their natural need to cough which can then cause the phlem to build up and bacteria take over and they can get pneumonia!!

With bubs this little Ventolin (used for asthma) can sometimes work, but, it is important that a doctor listens to the chest to see if there is a need for it (if the chest if wheezy) Venotlin syrup is not very effective, it needs to be given with a inhaler with a special device called a spacer.

Sometimes using a humidifier can help a bit, the warm moister air can be a bit soothing, but some drs will beg to differ.

Sorry I can give you a magic cure, its one of thoes unfortuante things.

Hope it starts to clear up soon for O.

Big cuddles and kisses from me and Marley

xoxo
Sharne

[Nickimumto1]

Evening all,

Just a quick question, has anyone turned bubs around to forward facing in the car. I just looked at our carseat and it says rearfacing to 9kg. Well Liam is 9+kg but i thought that it was safer to leave him rearfacing to 12months or more.


Brum - I would take him to the GP, he might have a chest infection and need a bit of help to get over it. I have been told to put Vicks on there feet and then put socks over the top to help with a cough, not sure how it works but it does. Also a humidifer (sp?) help heaps when Liam had a cough.

Hope that bubs gives all plenty of sleep.

Night.
:wave:

[bootiful]

Angel,

:sunshine:How is the sunshine today? Sydney is beautiful... however hail is forecasted soon! Oh just love a storm!

Well I had at the start difficulty dropping to three feeds per day. Dropping to five and four was no problem - but she just knew she was missing out when I went to only three feeds. But I persisted and just dealt with her cries - very hard to do. But she liked the yogurt and fruit I gave to her in place of the breastfeed and she seems fine with this now. As soon as Ayla was having three solids I decided to drop a feed. So now she has a breastfeed upon waking, solids for breakfast, breastfeed for morning snack lol, solids for lunch, solids for afternoon tea, solids for dinner and breast for supper. All at the exact time. She has heaps of water from a cup too, she hates the sippy cups - it's real cups all the way. Since she doesn't have that many bf now I make sure she has plenty of iron rich foods - spinach, lentils and red meat. Hope that helps... she will get used to it give it time. The only reason why I am cutting back is because I aim to have Ayla on two bf next year as I have to do prac.

Hope your feeling good today, x

Sunshine was lovely today, went to meet a new mums group @ a park, then went for a 3km walk round a lake, then for coffee...now im sooo tired...but rain is forecast for the weekend which kinda sucks.

My biggest problem with Nic is she doesn't really like solids, she will chew and mash some foods but not actually eat all that much. I am going to try drop her breast feeds, and make her feed lots when she does have them. I'll let you know how I go. Thanks for the advice. I never had any problems with Steph so this is all new to me.


How does everyone like my new pic!?

Jacob is growing on me...but im still Team Edward...HAHA have to stay true to my heritage :D


AB - I p'd myself at your status on FB this morning. I just love the way you'd spelt malt out for Steph and she came out with a bombshell like she did! I would have been mortified but considering it's somebody elses child I always find the funny side of a child swearing out the blue! Just you wait I hear you say :D

Anyone have any ideas of getting rid of a chesty cough (sounding more like a 50-a-day habit) in a baby? O has had a terrible cough for over a week and it just doesn't seem to be shifting. I haven't taken him to the doctors cause he doesn't seem 'ill' IYKWIM? Do you think I should? I have been putting Baby Vicks on every night (chest, back and feet).

Hello everyone else :wave:

Yeah thanks for that HAHA...after she went to her room I did have a chuckle cause she has such a mouth on her now and all I can hear is my mum saying..."I hope you have a daughter just like you one day"....ho hum ....oh and yes....you just wait...your time will come....muuuaahhhhhaaaahhhaaaa!!!!

As for O's cough don't give him any cough medicine as they can do more harm them good. Cough's can take a month or longer to completely go. Sucks, but maybe a quick trip to the dr's or even the chemist might ease your mind that it isn't anything too serious...but coughing is good because it brings up whatever is stuck on his lungs.


Evening all,

Just a quick question, has anyone turned bubs around to forward facing in the car. I just looked at our carseat and it says rearfacing to 9kg. Well Liam is 9+kg but i thought that it was safer to leave him rearfacing to 12months or more.

I turned Nic around a few weeks ago...actually maybe a month ago now...not sure how heavy she is but she would be over the limit for the seat. Jury is still out as to how long to leave them like that...some american studies say till 4-6yrs...which is just damn uncomfortable...do it when you feel ready, there is no rush. If Liam is happy being rear facing them just leave him that way.

AFM - im knackered...long sunny day and fingers crossed plllleeeeaaassseee that Nic sleeps till at least 2am..no stupid waking @ 10pm, 10.30pm,11pm, 12pm, 1am, 3am, 4am, 5am :crying:

[Brumington301]

Hi There,

Sharne - thank you so much for your knowledge and concern. I really appreciate you taking the time out to put in so much information to your reply. I have booked O in to see the doctor at 2pm this afternoon so will let you know how we go.

Nickimum and AB - thank you both too for your concern and for the advice.

I'm feeling really bad that I haven't taken him to the doctor before now :no:. I suppose because he wasn't 'unwell' I just kept thinking that it would get better. It was only when I've really sat down and thought about it that I've realised how long he's had this cough for. If O had a temperature or was out of sorts in any way I'd have taken him to the doctor ages ago. I'll learn from my experiences. :o

Thanks once again and I'll post this afternoon to let you all know how we go.

[Brumington301]

Hello :wave:

Just to let you know we have returned from the doctors with a clean bill of health. Apparently it is just a chesty cough that will shift in its own time. I'm pleased it was nothing more serious and feel relieved I had it checked out just in case :thumbsup:

Thanks people!

[bootiful]

excellent news brum - glad he is not seriously ill

AFM - last night was a total disaster. Nic went to sleep @ 7.30 and woke up @ 9.30 and was up and down till 2am. She just keeps screaming, arching her back, throwing herself forward, thrusting back and forth. She actually looks like she is possessed the sounds that came out of her last night scared me to death. She just would not stay still and it took me 2hrs of rocking her and feeding her to get her to finally sleep till 5am, then she didn't want to go back to sleep.

I am getting real sick of it and the dr's say she is fine...well clearly she is not. I have tried everything I can think of...I can't keep going on like this. She keeps hubby up so he goes to a 12hr work day tired and wakes Steph up so she is grumpy and tired all day.

Is anyone having similar problems? She was such a good bub and used to sleep 10-14hrs a night but now its just horrible :crying:

[wildoats]

Hello All,

WO - Who is that in your new pic? Am I really out of the loop here?! How are you going? Are you feeling any better? You certainly sound it if it's possible to 'sound' better on a website . I know what you mean about relaxing when Dad takes over. I find myself biting my tongue all the time. DH always puts O's nappies on way too tight but I think if I complain he'll have every reason to not want to do it again so I just turn a blind eye. I know that even though he's not doing things my way, I'm not perfect either and at least it gives him that time with O.


Brum,
Thank you for your concern - you guessed right, I feel a whole lot better. Thank you :hugs:...

OK who is Jacob?? Just the most gorgeous man on the earth... haha he is the warewolf out of the Twilight series.


Jacob is growing on me...but im still Team Edward...HAHA have to stay true to my heritage


:laughing:Well I am Vego! So yeah had to go for Jacob... I don't know I think I like Edward today!


Hello

Just to let you know we have returned from the doctors with a clean bill of health. Apparently it is just a chesty cough that will shift in its own time. I'm pleased it was nothing more serious and feel relieved I had it checked out just in case

Thanks people!

FANTASTIC! I have just read your post and was so worried for O. That is good news.


excellent news brum - glad he is not seriously ill

AFM - last night was a total disaster. Nic went to sleep @ 7.30 and woke up @ 9.30 and was up and down till 2am. She just keeps screaming, arching her back, throwing herself forward, thrusting back and forth. She actually looks like she is possessed the sounds that came out of her last night scared me to death. She just would not stay still and it took me 2hrs of rocking her and feeding her to get her to finally sleep till 5am, then she didn't want to go back to sleep.

I am getting real sick of it and the dr's say she is fine...well clearly she is not. I have tried everything I can think of...I can't keep going on like this. She keeps hubby up so he goes to a 12hr work day tired and wakes Steph up so she is grumpy and tired all day.

Is anyone having similar problems? She was such a good bub and used to sleep 10-14hrs a night but now its just horrible

Ah I'm sorry Angel. Ayla has been waking about 3-4 times the last week and has been driving me insane - but she is teething... mmm maybe you should get a second opinion. That's not good at all. Hope you have a better night :sleeping::sleeping:and get some sleep.

Ayla is ripping my new EzyBuy mag to bits so better go... just quickly went got my ultrasound today get results tomorrow so fingers crossed I am well.

Love to everyone xox

[bootiful]

Brum,
OK who is Jacob?? Just the most gorgeous man on the earth... haha he is the warewolf out of the Twilight series.



:laughing:Well I am Vego! So yeah had to go for Jacob... I don't know I think I like Edward today!


Ah I'm sorry Angel. Ayla has been waking about 3-4 times the last week and has been driving me insane - but she is teething... mmm maybe you should get a second opinion. That's not good at all. Hope you have a better night :sleeping::sleeping:and get some sleep.

Ayla is ripping my new EzyBuy mag to bits so better go... just quickly went got my ultrasound today get results tomorrow so fingers crossed I am well.

Love to everyone xox

:laughing: I am descendant from the vampires ;) so boo to you

sorry to hear bout Ayla - I have tried teething gel, tablet and liquid and she still does it...im thinking tummy troubles...only thing is I have been to hospital twice and the GP and all say she is fine.

Good luck for your ultrasound :yelclap:

[Brumington301]

Oh God AB - what a nightmare. Nic sounds like she's having a few troubles and it isn't just a case of wanting attention with the arching of the back and all that. I just don't know what to suggest apart from what WO has said and get a third, fourth and fifth opinion. Trust your instincts.... I have a friend who went to the doctors sooooo many times with problems with her daughter only to be told nothing was wrong with her. Turns out she is celiac and was in terrible pain in her tummy - poor little thing :( If you know Nic is not well keep searching for the answer, you'll get there in the end.

WO - good luck with your US tomorrow. I was meant to post a message before about how utterly terrible your doctor is but must have forgotten. So glad you got rid of her. Hope everything goes well for you. :fingerscrossed: I also have to admit I must be the only middle aged woman on the planet who has not got involved with Twilight.....:smiliedance:

[tracynben]

Oh God AB - what a nightmare. Nic sounds like she's having a few troubles and it isn't just a case of wanting attention with the arching of the back and all that. I just don't know what to suggest apart from what WO has said and get a third, fourth and fifth opinion. Trust your instincts.... I have a friend who went to the doctors sooooo many times with problems with her daughter only to be told nothing was wrong with her. Turns out she is celiac and was in terrible pain in her tummy - poor little thing :( If you know Nic is not well keep searching for the answer, you'll get there in the end.

WO - good luck with your US tomorrow. I was meant to post a message before about how utterly terrible your doctor is but must have forgotten. So glad you got rid of her. Hope everything goes well for you. :fingerscrossed: I also have to admit I must be the only middle aged woman on the planet who has not got involved with Twilight.....:smiliedance:

i havent watched twilight either, im just not really into vampire stuff.
Thought id pop on quick and say hi.
I have been readin and poppin in, just been busy with the kids, and tryin to get motivated, exercisin etc.
Hopefully should finally get our formal finance approval in the next couple of days or so, only taken 5 weeks, arghhhhh.
Sorry angel nic is being so bad for you, when they scream and arch their backs, its usually a sign they are in pain with something, dont know what else to suggest.
Does she only do it at certain times, ie when lying down?
tracy xxxx

[MummaFug]

Ni Hao everyone :)

Notice my new username :)

I got paranoid about people googling me (read a thread a few weeks ago and made me think that my old one was too obvious - Everyone knows me as that IRL) so thought it was time for a change :yes: Not that anyone would google me -but you never ever know

Angelbaby - So sorry to hear about Nic .. If you honestly think there is something not right - then follow it up until you get answers....A mothers intuition is usually right..

Brum - SO glad to hear everything is alright.

:wave: To everyone else .. Sorry for the lack of personals but I am rushing this post as I have soem reading to do .. FUnnily you were discussing Twilight .. Well I have been reading the books for about 6 mths now .,, And 100 pages of book to go .. it has taken AGES !! I usually read HEAPS but am just to tired these days.

Well my sis has gone home :crying: We had such a great time while she was here .. I REALLY hate when they have to go home - it makes living so far away not so fun..

As for us .. went on a mountain adventure for 3 days as DH had the week off work due to CHina National day and 60th anniversary.
It was FAB - but hiking with small children is not easy but it was great to get away from the crowds and have some space and fresh air ...

Other than that - DD is standing on EVERYTHING !!! She would stand all day if I let her .... Oh and the CUTEST thing - if you say 'NO' to her - she has the fakest yet cutest cry face...You cant tell me she doesnt understand - such a drama queen.

Anyway my bok is calling and if I dont go now - Ill be on BH all night ..

[Brumington301]

AB - I've been thinking about your predicament and thinking what Tracy said about the fact that by Nic arching her back sounding like she's in pain and just thought I'd write a few things about what I thought. I'm probably advising the expert here but then again I might give you some ideas which you might not have considered - it's worth a shot...

Firstly, it seems strange that Nic has turned from an excellent sleeper to how she is now and it all seems to have come about since the introduction of solids if I'm not mistaken. It kind of suggests to me that she might have a reaction to something in her diet that might be causing her stomache to ache so much it is causing her to be unsettled (?). I'm not sure if you've introduced wheat based products and dairy but these might be the prime triggers as they generally are. Can you think back to when the troubles started and does it coincide with the introduction of a particular food?

I was just thinking if you did the following it might help the doctor to take note of your problems rather than fobbing you off. Make a note of what she is eating. Make a note of when she seems at her most unsettled - is it only at night/an hour after every feed/only when she lies down/only when she's had bread - do this over the course of a week and see if you notice a pattern. Then try and eliminate what could be the culprit and see if it makes a difference.

I hope I don't seem patronising. Like I said, a friend of mines little girl was diagnosed as being celiac but it took so long for them to discover it the poor little thing was in pain for months. Her mum looks back to pictures and notices how her belly was always swollen - something she didn't actually see at the time. Her little girl has such severe reaction to wheat based products she has to have her own cooking utensils/toaster/butter etc to avoid cross contamination. She even got sick the other day cause her toaster was being put on the bottom shelf of the cupboard while the family one was being put at the top - can you believe the crumbs coming from the family toaster and dropping in hers was enough to make her ill?

Look, like I've said you've probably considered all this yourself but I hope I might have given you some ideas. If not, I hope you at least feel a bit special that I'm thinking of you! :hugs:

Ni Hao to Mummafug - can I still call you Fugs?! Sorry to hear your sister has left you now but I bet you had a wonderful time with her being there. Fair play to you and DH for the hiking - I can't bl0ody hike on my own let alone carrying 9KG! Why is China only 60? I don't get it. Didn't they have a Ming Dynasty a few years before that???!!!

Tracy - Hello you. Glad to hear everything is going well with the boys and with the house etc. Good luck with that finance approval. :thumbsup:

WO - any news on that U/S? I've had fingers crossed for you.

Hello everyone else :wave:

[bootiful]

Sorry angel nic is being so bad for you, when they scream and arch their backs, its usually a sign they are in pain with something, dont know what else to suggest.
Does she only do it at certain times, ie when lying down?
tracy xxxx

Its hard to pin point but she can do it during a feed, after a feed, in the middle of the day or night...i think its become habit for her now to just throw herself around when she in a ****ty mood.


Ni Hao everyone :)

Notice my new username :)


made me laugh!

I want a new username but can't decide on a good one...any ideas???



Angelbaby - So sorry to hear about Nic .. If you honestly think there is something not right - then follow it up until you get answers....A mothers intuition is usually right..

thats the idea im running with..no matter how many times they tell me she is right it just doesn't sit well with me.



FUnnily you were discussing Twilight .. Well I have been reading the books for about 6 mths now .,, And 100 pages of book to go .. it has taken AGES !! I usually read HEAPS but am just to tired these days.[/COLOR]


OMG u serious???? I couldn't put the book down and had to slow myself to stop me finishing it in a day..took me a week from memory :D



Other than that - DD is standing on EVERYTHING !!! She would stand all day if I let her .... Oh and the CUTEST thing - if you say 'NO' to her - she has the fakest yet cutest cry face...You cant tell me she doesnt understand - such a drama queen.

Anyway my bok is calling and if I dont go now - Ill be on BH all night ..

nawww that is too cute...got any pics?


AB - I've been thinking about your predicament and thinking what Tracy said about the fact that by Nic arching her back sounding like she's in pain and just thought I'd write a few things about what I thought. I'm probably advising the expert here but then again I might give you some ideas which you might not have considered - it's worth a shot...

Advice is always welcome, while it may seem like i know a lot bout babies i don't know everything and sometimes just the smallest new piece of advice from a different perspective can really help.



Firstly, it seems strange that Nic has turned from an excellent sleeper to how she is now and it all seems to have come about since the introduction of solids if I'm not mistaken. It kind of suggests to me that she might have a reaction to something in her diet that might be causing her stomache to ache so much it is causing her to be unsettled (?). I'm not sure if you've introduced wheat based products and dairy but these might be the prime triggers as they generally are. Can you think back to when the troubles started and does it coincide with the introduction of a particular food?

She eats lots of stuff so maybe writing it down would be good. Ill start that tomorrow. It can also be what im eating and going through my milk, but i have cut down certain types of foods and it didn't make a difference. I really can't remember when it started, might have to go back through my BH posts and see if i said when it started.



Make a note of when she seems at her most unsettled - is it only at night/an hour after every feed/only when she lies down/only when she's had bread

It used to be at nights or before a nap, but she is getting better, I also think being sick and teething doesn't help...she is getting herself back into a routine slowly so ill see how things go once she gets some regular sleep.



I hope I don't seem patronising.

Not at all...I thank you (and everyone else) for caring enough to take the time to read and post advice.



Her mum looks back to pictures and notices how her belly was always swollen - something she didn't actually see at the time.

I actually asked the drs @ PMH to check her tummy and they said it was nice and soft and no problems..thank god!

Sorry to hear bout your friends daughter, its so hard when kids have allergies, can make life so much harder.

AFM - well more bout ME HAHA

I am starting to feel my old self again. Actually looked at my body in the mirror the other day before my shower and wasn't completely disgusted. It still looks the same but im starting to come to terms with the fact I won't ever look the same again (without surgery) but I can improve ...with time.

Nic has a new routine (as mentioned above). She goes to sleep round 6.30-7.30 - wakes up a few times but goes back to sleep, then wakes up round midnight for a feed, and sleeps till 6am. I don't really know why she keeps waking up, might be teeth, might be something else but I am happy she isn't up screaming all night like before.

I am looking into contraception as I am HIGHLY fertile atm and DH doesn't want the snip just yet.

I am excited about uni next year...I sooo hope I get a place. Oh and I also applied for a job as a PerthNow newsreader :D they liked my application so fingers crossed.

anyways...this post is long enough hee hee...bye for now xoxo

[MummaFug]

Hello ?? HELLO ???

(Echo, echo, echo)

Where'd everyone go ??? (insert icon of lost person wandering around)

It is so quiet ...

Hope everyone is doing good.

Kisses to all those lil cuties

[wildoats]

Hi all!

Fug, I love your new name very cute!

Sorry for the lack of personals. I am trying not to spend too much time on the computer. I just feel like I just have so much to do and all the time spent on the computer could be put to use elsewhere (e.g studying). In saying that I will be posting more on BH than posting on FB... I can't keep away from you all ;) haha you can't get rid of me lol. So I did the brave move and deleted both my farms on FB - just couldn't keep up with harvesting :laughing:. Anyhoo, not too good here at the moment Ayla has not stoped crying since last time I posted :( her tooth keeps popping out then popping back in GRRRR... my poor baby!

Shell - Hope you enjoy camping with all your beautiful children.

Tracy- Hope all is going well. Did I see on FB you were not geting a pool?

Angel- Hope Nic is OK? Great video on FB!

NMto1- Thank you for your msg regarding covers today on FB.

Brum- Thanks for asking about me! I will know the results tomorrow.

Sorry about the lack of personals, I am thinking of you all xox

[bootiful]

:laughing: I was thinking the same thing Fugs..came on yesterday and no one had posted.

Well I wrote down Nic's routine for the whole of yesterday and while its getting better its no where near what it should be.

Here it is for anyone who is interested

5.50am - Wake Up
6.30am - Breastfeed (5mins - then pulled off)
7.00am - Breakfast (porridge w/ banana puree)
7.45am - Breastfeed (15mins)
8.00am - Nap
9.15am - Awake (I woke her up)
Playtime
10.30am - Morning Tea (Rusk Crackers & pear)
Playtime
11.00am - Breastfeed (10mins)
Playtime
11.45am - Lunch (Yoghurt, Cheese & Avo Sandwich)
Playtime
12.20pm - Breastfeed (10mins)
12.35pm - Nap
2.25pm - Awake
3.30pm - Snack (cheese crackers)
Playtime
5.30pm - Breastfeed (10mins)
5.40pm - Nap
5.50pm - Awake (she knew i went out and woke up)
6.30pm - Dinner (Lasagne)
7.30pm - Breastfeed (20mins)
7.50pm - Bed (minimal fuss)
11.00pm - Stiring and whinging in sleep (self-settled)
11.15pm - Awake (nappy change and breastfeed)
11.40 - She finally passed out
2.15am - Awake (nappy change, teeth gel - she headbutted me a thrusted around wanting boob but i just keep patting her to sleep)(Gave her panadol)
3.05am - Finally asleep (grinding her teeth to sleep)
4.50am - Awake (took her to bed for a breastfeed)
Rolled round in bed till 6.20 feeding on and off
6.20 - Got out of bed (Ben took her so I could sleep)

:sleeping: ugh im exhausted just reading that all again....any ideas ladies?

[wildoats]

Angel,
Are you OK? No seriously are you feeling OK... how are you coping with so little sleep?? I wish I could help you, I really do - but I'm really at a loss :confused:... have you thought about seeing a professional? I hope you get some sleep tonight Angel :hugs:.

Well just wrote a post this morning saying I won't be on here that much... mmmmm... SURE! lol

xx

[bootiful]

Angel,
Are you OK? No seriously are you feeling OK... how are you coping with so little sleep?? I wish I could help you, I really do - but I'm really at a loss :confused:... have you thought about seeing a professional? I hope you get some sleep tonight Angel :hugs:.

Well just wrote a post this morning saying I won't be on here that much... mmmmm... SURE! lol

xx


meh i'm still here so i guess that something. what kind of professional should i be seeking?

i have googled everything i can think of and still come up empty..maybe she is just clingy ho hum :(

[Cordelia]

ngala? sleep angels? and there's a 3rd! cant' remember... you could ask your child health nurse. Some more expensive than others - but I would pay it to get more sleep. I think it's sleep angels that won't leave until the problem is fixed.

Your routine is pretty much the same as Daniel (and with the night wakings) for the last 2 weeks (getting his first teeth)... so i know where you are. Fortunately though he is formula fed so I take turns with DH. Do you think if it could be reflux related that she might be having too many short breastfeeds during the day? I might make her wait the 4 hours so she gets a decent feed and therefore is satisfied longer. Also, we are very careful with what Daniel eats and I know you are quite adventurous with Nic's dinners - if I gave Daniel lasagna he'd be up all night with a tummy ache. might be worth trying her on plainer food for a few days and seeing if it makes a difference. Anyway, just 2 suggestions that have worked for MY baby - yours is another story!!!! :) :hugs:

haven't made it here the last week with everything going on - if you dont haev facebook my dog got ran over (he's home minus one leg as of yesterday!) and our bank account got drained of every cent (the money is back there on insurance) so just been completely overwhelmed. Dh had the week off anywa to paint our house so that's good... except we didn't get as much done as we would have hoped.

tracy - all you seem to do is wait around for people to pull their finger out!!! is this finance from the bank?!?! that's ridiculous - they should know within a day

wildoats - congrats on getting rid of the farms! I have TRIED and TRIED but i never last more than a week on those games coz I just get so bored of clicking!! And i usually have a toddler hanging on my arm askign to play (hence why i'm on here at 2:11am)

mummafug - you forgot the owl call and the door slamming :laughing:

well, i went to bed at 7:30 last night and given I have been getting so sleep i'm fully awake and ready to go but it's only 2:18am... i guess I could get some housework done!!!!

[wildoats]

meh i'm still here so i guess that something. what kind of professional should i be seeking?

i have googled everything i can think of and still come up empty..maybe she is just clingy ho hum :(

What about Karitane?? I think they do day stays maybe they can see what is going on??

[QUOTE=Cordelia;4150715]haven't made it here the last week with everything going on - if you dont haev facebook my dog got ran over (he's home minus one leg as of yesterday!) and our bank account got drained of every cent (the money is back there on insurance) so just been completely overwhelmed. Dh had the week off anywa to paint our house so that's good... except we didn't get as much done as we would have hoped.[QUOTE]

Cord,
Yes I did hear of your bank problems. But not about your dog. Gee what a bad week for you... :hugs:no good at all :no:. Your poor dog. I would be so upset if that was my dog. Big doggy cuddles... what is her/ his name and breed?

No house work at that early time!

AFM - Went to the Doctors and I'm all clear! So all good. My OB wants me to stop the pill - I will see how I go in a month... if no improvement I may need to go to hospital for an internal check... NOOOO... Anyway I'm happy that "ATM" nothing seems to be wrong with me.

Went shopping today for a dress to wear at Ayla's Christening (Nov 1) I HATE SHOPPING!! GRRRRRR I saw a beautiful dress in Myer and it had my size (12) so I went to try it on and did not fit... mmmm I'm sure I had not put any weight on... so got dressed again, got myself out in the shop with Ayla and got a size 14 - by now I'm feeling pretty crap. So I wheel Ayla and myself back into the cubicle - and you know what? It does not fit! What! What is going on! OK I have resigned to the theory by now that this brand is a "different" kind of brand that they use very unusual sizes... so anyway went back out into the shop with a size 16 on my mind and you know what... I couldn't find a bigger size. On closer inspection the label read something like this:

"As we only retail to size 14, any bigger sizes can be custom made"

WTF! I'm not that big!!! Come on! Anyway I ended up buying an outfit at Katies. Sort of had the same experience at Katies that I had at Myers... only reversed. I'm a Small or size 10 in Katies! Yippee I thought; I'm loosing weight! So I pick up this gorgeous dress in Medium... and it doesn't fit - need to go to a small............................. and do you think they had a small... no. Anyhoo, I picked another dress, not my favorite out of Katies or my "dream dress" from Myers - but it will pass...

That was my day today. And I just hate shopping!

Love to everyone! Oats x

[wildoats]

:party:happybirthdayOh and tomorrow Ayla will be 9 months old!!! My little girl, I love her so much :baby: xx

[bootiful]

thanks for your suggestions ladies.

once i have gotten stephs birthday out of the way then ill ring some places and give them a run down on Nic's routine.

Nic - as for giving her plain food the little bugger won't eat it....and she won't eat from her spoon either. She likes to eat from a big fork..go figure:rolleyes:

She napped for 3hrs yesterday and then didn't want to sleep long last night..so I think im going to have to start waking her after 90mins.

I did think she had silent reflux but there is nothing I can really do for it...is there?

[tracynben]

hi everyone
hope u all ok, today is bens birthday, hes 3 cant beleive how quickly it has gone.
For all first time mums enjoy them whilst they are babies cos they grow sooooo fast.

ANGEL - try ringing ngala, they have a website you can check out and they do overnight consulations, prob cheaper than sleep angels, i got a quote for one and they wanted 600 dollars for 6 hours, no fooking way am i paying that. Have you tried reading any books, have a look in the library
THE BABY WHISPERER TRACEY HOGG
GINA FORD CONTENTED BABY
and
SAVE OUR SLEEP TIZZIE HALL
all 3 of those are pretty good books, why not try that first before paying someone.

WO - yeah shopping with little uns is not fun, i do find that some shops are different with sizing, some shops i can squeeze into a size 8 where others i need a size 12, so dont feel too down. I dont know why some shops dont cater past 14, its a biut stupid really, its not big.
AND yes we arent getting the pool anymore, so much hassle with it, it will cost 4 grand just to put extra footings next to the house, then 25k for the pool, then another 8k for fencing, so in all37k, its just too much, we will just stick with a spa i think.

CORDS- we waiting for formal finance, not pre approval, we already got that, but you have to reapply for formal finance. PROBLEM is we with keystart which are govt based, and they take forever, plus with the first time home buyers grant reducing lots of people were applying with keystart, but 5 bloody weeks now is stupid.

Thats everyone on the page, cant remember what anyone else posted, sorry my brain going, lol.

AFM - well the reason we not gettin a pool is cos we getting a jetski instead. We need to get a hobby toghether so this will be great, and the kids can do it too, we hear people go on runs to mandurah have brekky and come back, and lots of other fun things, so be good to make some friends as well with simlilar interests, cant wait to get on it, but i gotta get my skippers ticket first.

tracy xxxx

[MuMmyof1nRNtoMaNY]

thanks for your suggestions ladies.

once i have gotten stephs birthday out of the way then ill ring some places and give them a run down on Nic's routine.

Nic - as for giving her plain food the little bugger won't eat it....and she won't eat from her spoon either. She likes to eat from a big fork..go figure:rolleyes:

She napped for 3hrs yesterday and then didn't want to sleep long last night..so I think im going to have to start waking her after 90mins.

I did think she had silent reflux but there is nothing I can really do for it...is there?

Angel,

Sleeping - There is a really good website called baby bliss, it has great routines and ideas on how to get into a good routine for Nic. You need to be very persistant for at least a week, but, it does work!

A few things to consider too. Make sure that you arent feeding her to sleep, its ok to feed her before sleep if that is what suits you, but, dont let her fall asleep on the breast. If she does, make sure she wakes just enough when you put her into bed that she knows you are putting her down. It is important that she knows how to self settle. If you assist her in anyway to go to sleep (feeding/patting/ rocking) when she goes through her sleep cycle generally around 40-50mins she will wake and cry as she thinks she needs you to go back to sleep.
Also during the night, dont change her nappy, unless it is dirty, as doing so will wake her too much and then you will have trouble getting her to settle. If she did sleep though the night you wouldnt be changing it.

Re Reflux or silent reflux - YES there is things that you can do for it. Marley has bad reflux and has done since he was 6weeks. He is medicated for it! He doesnt vomit very much at all, occasionally he might vomit once a day and other times he doesnt vomit at all. You can try and give her mylanta (2mls) before and after breast feeds and see if that helps. If you dont think its making a differance you will need to see your Doc. Do you have a peadiatrician?? It might be worth seeing one to get things sorted out! They can prescribe medicines that will stop the burning. (Losec, zoton, somac) It might make all the differance.

I hope this helps. Feel free to PM me if you want anymore info.

Sharne xo

[MuMmyof1nRNtoMaNY]

hi Everyone:wave:

Thought id pop on and write to you all. Esp after that big post to Angel.

WO - Stupid Shops!!! I hate shopping too. Why cant all shops have the same fit. Dont worry about it. Its not you!! So glad to hear that everything is ok atm with your scan. Hopefully your body settles down not being on the pill!!

Cords - Thanks for your excema info. I have it all under control now! Its just about gone. The Pead agreed with me that its probably and intolerance, more likely to dairy but im not going to reintroduce wheat until its completely gone. I got the Demavene for the bath, its great. I got the bath treatment - The powder in the box. Its seems to be helping. I havent had to use any steriod cream for a few days now :D How is Daniel?? Is he all better yet? SOrry to hear about your doggy Im sure he will amaze you with his 3 legs once he is all healed!!

Tracy - WOO HOO a jetski, thats fantastic, they are so much fun. Im sure you will all get a lot out of it. YAY!! Im excited for you. Hope your finance is approved soon:fingerscrossed: Happy birthday Ben, 3 already!! WOW.

Brum - How is your finger? How is Oakleigh, is his cough getting better? I do hope so!

Shell - Hope your having a great time camping with all thoes kiddies. You one brave woman!!!:D

Mummafug - Love the new name!!

AFM - Not too much to report, Marley's excema has settled right down, but now his is sick, just a virus but his nose is running like a tap :( He is still not crawling although he is trying, ends up going backwards sometimes hehehe, but he is pulling himslef up on everything and has started cruising along the furniture. We also trialed him off his reflux medication, but have and to restart it (did this before he got sick) we have had some sleepless nights since friday night. Screaming in pain again :( poor lil man.

anyway better go

take care

hugs to you all
belly rubs to Didi and M2M.

Sharne xoxo

[Cordelia]

wildoats - thanks :) dog's name is Ferris and he is a Shih Tzu X Silky Terrier.. he's 7 and he's been with us through everything. poor little guy :( What's the dress like?? I know what you mean abotu sizing - it should just be standard!! Happy 9 months to Ayla :)

tracy - jetski sounds wicked!!! How nice will that be to rock up for brekky at mandurah! I didn't realise you had to have your skipper's license to drive one. Andd ahhh keystart - i understand now!!! That can take ages can't it. Hopefully they get a move on for yuo.

Sharne - that's awesome on the excema :) Daniel is fine - it flared up a little last week but with a few applications of dermavene and keeping him indoors we were right. That's great that you think you knw what's triggering it. Once you figure it out it's easy as. Hope his virus clears up quickly - not nice.

Us - ahhhh dog home, gardening, kids behaving at the shops, scrapbooking, housework done, life was good today!!!

[bootiful]

ANGEL - try ringing ngala, they have a website you can check out and they do overnight consulations, prob cheaper than sleep angels, i got a quote for one and they wanted 600 dollars for 6 hours, no fooking way am i paying that. Have you tried reading any books, have a look in the library
THE BABY WHISPERER TRACEY HOGG
GINA FORD CONTENTED BABY
and
SAVE OUR SLEEP TIZZIE HALL
all 3 of those are pretty good books, why not try that first before paying someone.

Trac - I have read heaps of books and none seem to work for her :no: I will ring Ngala next week.


Angel,

Sleeping - There is a really good website called baby bliss, it has great routines and ideas on how to get into a good routine for Nic. You need to be very persistant for at least a week, but, it does work!

I actually read the book, its very good, and helped me out when she was younger.



A few things to consider too. Make sure that you arent feeding her to sleep, its ok to feed her before sleep if that is what suits you, but, dont let her fall asleep on the breast. If she does, make sure she wakes just enough when you put her into bed that she knows you are putting her down. It is important that she knows how to self settle. If you assist her in anyway to go to sleep (feeding/patting/ rocking) when she goes through her sleep cycle generally around 40-50mins she will wake and cry as she thinks she needs you to go back to sleep.

She is always slightly awake when i put her to bed, more than not she is hyper and wants to play, even after a big feed and falling asleep on the boob.

I have let her try self-settle when she wakes but she stands up in her cot and screams for 10mins plus, until i go in. Should I just leave her?



Also during the night, dont change her nappy, unless it is dirty, as doing so will wake her too much and then you will have trouble getting her to settle. If she did sleep though the night you wouldnt be changing it.

I only change her if she is wet and she is usually soaking wet so i feed, change, feed.



Re Reflux or silent reflux - YES there is things that you can do for it. Marley has bad reflux and has done since he was 6weeks. He is medicated for it! He doesnt vomit very much at all, occasionally he might vomit once a day and other times he doesnt vomit at all. You can try and give her mylanta (2mls) before and after breast feeds and see if that helps. If you dont think its making a differance you will need to see your Doc. Do you have a peadiatrician?? It might be worth seeing one to get things sorted out! They can prescribe medicines that will stop the burning. (Losec, zoton, somac) It might make all the differance.

I hope this helps. Feel free to PM me if you want anymore info.

Sharne xo

Nic hasn't vomited but just squirms (not of late though). I have tried stomach calm and reflux calm from Brauers. I don't have a pediatrician. Are they expensive?

I might make an appointment to see the CHN next week and see what she thinks. Thanks for your advice.

PS - She fed for 45mins tonight and DH put her to bed, she slept for 10mins then woke up, I burped her again and she is now standing at her cot screaming - has been for past 10mins :crying: better go get her :(

[MuMmyof1nRNtoMaNY]

Angel,

Where to start?

Sorry you had another bad night. I have been thinking about it and there are a few things you can try.

Unfortunatly it sounds like, since she was sick, that she has forgotten how to settle herself. There are a few options to help her learn again.

It sounds like you are ok with letting her cry a bit so if you are persistant things should improve fairly quickly!

Option 1:
have a look at this webpage http://www.babybliss.com.au/Docs/Nine%20to%20Twelve%20months.pdf and try and follow this routine


24 H

OUR IDEAL ROUTINE 9-12months

6am – 7am Breast or bottle feed
(If baby wakes at 5am she may go back to sleep for an hour or so after her feed, this is okay)
7am – 9am Breakfast
Give a drink of water (cup or bottle) or a little milk in a cup
**If your baby wakes late and doesn’t have an early morning feed, they can have their milk feed after breakfast
9am – 11am Morning Sleep – this can obviously be flexible if you need to go out etc, but while starting the routine it is good to stay at home and get this sleep established.
11am Morning tea snack – this is optional, if baby is asleep or not interested, don’t worry. It is good though to use to distract them if they are looking for a milk feed.
12pm – 1pm Lunch time
Breast or bottle feed
1.30ish – 3pm Afternoon sleep.
3pm – 4pm Afternoon tea snack – same as morning tea.
5pm – 6pm Dinner
You can also give water or juice with the meal or a small cup of milk.
6.30pm Bath time, then some quiet play time
7pm Breast/bottle feed
7.15 – 7.30pm Bedtime Bedtime ritual must always be the same.

To get her to self settle you will need to watch for her tired signs (rubbing eyes/ red around eyes/ yawning/ grizzling/ etc) put her into bed and say "night night" then leave the room, if she starts to cry stay out of sight and listen to her cry, she will cry cry cry and then stop and wait (pause), then she will start to cry again then pause again, on the third pause, go in and in a stern voice say to her, while you lie her back down, "its time to go to sleep" then leave the room again. Try this cycle 3-4 times, then if she is still persisting and standing up go in and lie her down say "its time to go to sleep" but this time put one hand firmly on her shoulder and pat her bottom with the other hand. DONT pick her up as she will then feel that she has won the battle! Pat her on the bottom till she goes quiet, then stop patting but keep your hands on her firmly. When she relaxes you will hear her sigh, this is when you can take your hands off and leave the room.
If she starts again, wait for the 3 pause again, then do the patting again, just till she goes quiet. Dont pat her to sleep.
The more persistant you are and consistant you are the quicker she will get the message!

Option 2: This will work if she goes quiet when she see you!

Put a chair in her room beside the cot.
Day 1. Have the chair right beside the cot, when you put her down say "night night" and then sit on the chair, with your back to her. Dont say anything to her, its ok if she reaches out and touches you, but dont touch her back. She may cry for a bit to get your attention but just ingnore it. If she stands up, lie her back down and say "its time to sleep" then sit back down. Repeat this till she goes to sleep, then leave the room.
Day 2. Move the chair to the end of the bed/closer to the door, and out of reach. Sit with your back to her. Only talk to her if you need to lie her back down and only say "its time to sleep"
Day 3. Move the chair half way between the cot and the door.
Day 4. Have the chair at the door.

(You can do this way a little faster if you do, it like Day 1 both day sleeps, Day 2 first night sleep, Day 3 second day of both day sleeps, Day 4 second night sleep) If i need to clarify that let me know.

Option 3:
Is the Lay down approach.
I have emailed this info to you! Its the tizzie hall approach.

Hope you get it sorted with one of these!!

There are also ppl called night nannies who can come to you house and stay the night and help you work out a routine and a plan to get it sorted. There price is actually very reasonable. Have a look at http://www.nightnannies.com.au/ ngala seem to have a waiting time of 6-8weeks :O and there in home help looks like its for 1.5hrs :(


Re: Peads, yes they are expensive, so give it a go with settling techniques first and then if you still think that something isnt right with her, then go and see one. If you dont have one you will need to see your GP first and get a refferal. Your GP can also prescribe reflux medication if you think she is in pain. But do try the settling stuff first. You might be surpirsed that she is just being a determined little mite!

Also, do you give her the same que each time she goes to bed? ie. darken the room, give her a comforter - a little blankie. Each and every time i put Marley to bed, he is put in his sleeping bag, is given his dummy, has the room dark and had music which comes from his monitor that lasts just 15mins. Its the same every time and he knows it means sleep time!!

Ok, sorry for the long winded post. Hope this helps!!

Oh and if you ONLY breast feed her according to the routine above, during the day, you will find that she will not be soaking wet during the night and you wont need to change her nappy. Then tend to drink lots at night cause they dont want you to put them down, and therefore pee lots too.

I really hope this info helps you!!

Take care
Best of Luck

Sharne

[wildoats]

Sharne,
That routine is exactly what I do with Ayla plus the settling routine... we have never had a problem though with teething she isn't too happy :(... Thank you for taking the time to post that. :)

[bootiful]

:hugs: oh you ladies are so lovely in taking time out of your busy day to help me with my little :o problem.

Good news...while I was trying to settle her last night I started googling the Baby Bliss site, even though I have read the book, and printed out the routine (one step ahead of ya Sharne hee hee), I thought why not give it one more go now she isn't sick and her teeth have calmed down...and so far so good. She had a 40min nap today - cause I was out - and then a 2hr nap, she has had boob twice today...woo hooo..and didn't even really want it before her nap time.

I'll try answer all your questions and points Sharne one by one so it makes sense.



Unfortunatly it sounds like, since she was sick, that she has forgotten how to settle herself. There are a few options to help her learn again.

Most definitely, and we didn't push the issue like we should have too.



It sounds like you are ok with letting her cry a bit so if you are persistant things should improve fairly quickly!

This is a huge issue and one major part of our problem. I try do a routine during the day, then I go to bed and DH looks after her if she wakes up..as he is tired he does whatever he can to get her to bed...his favourite...rocking her to sleep..even for 30mins...which undoes all my settling work during the day..pffttt....his reason is he needs sleep...but he can't see it's making things worse.



Option 1:
have a look at this webpage http://www.babybliss.com.au/Docs/Nine%20to%20Twelve%20months.pdf

Done and Done, I printed out 3 copies and I WILL be making DH read it and follow it.



To get her to self settle you will need to watch for her tired signs (rubbing eyes/ red around eyes/ yawning/ grizzling/ etc) put her into bed and say "night night" then leave the room, if she starts to cry stay out of sight and listen to her cry, she will cry cry cry and then stop and wait (pause), then she will start to cry again then pause again, on the third pause, go in and in a stern voice say to her, while you lie her back down, "its time to go to sleep" then leave the room again. Try this cycle 3-4 times, then if she is still persisting and standing up go in and lie her down say "its time to go to sleep" but this time put one hand firmly on her shoulder and pat her bottom with the other hand. DONT pick her up as she will then feel that she has won the battle! Pat her on the bottom till she goes quiet, then stop patting but keep your hands on her firmly. When she relaxes you will hear her sigh, this is when you can take your hands off and leave the room.[/FONT][/SIZE]
If she starts again, wait for the 3 pause again, then do the patting again, just till she goes quiet. Dont pat her to sleep.
The more persistant you are and consistant you are the quicker she will get the message!

I am very clued up on her tired signs as she is very sooky once she is tired and then rubs the eyes and pulls her ears etc.

When she refuses to sleep she stands up in her cot crying till we pick her up (probably habit now). When I try keep her laying down she struggles and wiggles out from under my hands. All she wants to do is get out of her cot. Hopefully the new routine will stop all this.



Option 3:
Is the Lay down approach.
I have emailed this info to you! Its the tizzie hall approach.

Thanks! I have printed it out to give to DH to read and Ill read it tonight.



Re: Peads, yes they are expensive, so give it a go with settling techniques first and then if you still think that something isnt right with her, then go and see one. If you dont have one you will need to see your GP first and get a refferal. Your GP can also prescribe reflux medication if you think she is in pain. But do try the settling stuff first. You might be surpirsed that she is just being a determined little mite!

I hope it gets sorted before having to resort to that.



Also, do you give her the same que each time she goes to bed? ie. darken the room, give her a comforter - a little blankie. Each and every time i put Marley to bed, he is put in his sleeping bag, is given his dummy, has the room dark and had music which comes from his monitor that lasts just 15mins. Its the same every time and he knows it means sleep time!!

She has dinner, bath (alternate days) then boob and bed, her room is dark with soft music and i give her a cuddle and put her in her bed. I pat her back for a minute then go. If she is restless I put her music light mobile thingy on. She doesn't take a dummy but has a blankie which she holds sometimes.



Ok, sorry for the long winded post. Hope this helps!!

no no no...its is greatly appreciated.



Oh and if you ONLY breast feed her according to the routine above, during the day, you will find that she will not be soaking wet during the night and you wont need to change her nappy. Then tend to drink lots at night cause they dont want you to put them down, and therefore pee lots too.

Yeah I never thought of that, as boob was the way to settle her down.

Fingers crossed ladies that tonight goes well :fingerscrossed:

[bootiful]

morning ladies :sunshine:

guess what.....................................








I GOT 7 1/2HRS SLEEP LAST NIGHT :smiliedance: I feel like I had too much and am struggling to wake up now :laughing:

Details - She went to bed @ 6.30 and it took 14/15 laydowns. She woke up @ 10.15pm and DH (Yes I made him read the info) took 7/15. Major wake up was @ 1.30am, she had a nappy change and then I did 15/15 laydowns, 20mins cry - damn she was loud and very sooky - then 21/40 laydowns.

She woke up just after 6am, had a booby feed and now is playing happily with Steph.

I'm sooo proud of my little girl for sleeping well last night.

:hugs: I can't thank you all enough for your kind words, advice and listening ear. If any of you are having problems with your bubs give these routines a go. If they can work for my stubborn bub then surely they can work for anyone.

[Brumington301]

Hello Everyone

Hope all is well in the land of Jan Mums and Bubs.

Good news AB that things were better last night for you. I truly hope it carries on cause nobody can keep functioning on the little amounts of sleep you've been getting recently. Let's hope Nic has turned a corner and it's all plain sailing from here on in. :fingerscrossed:

WO - how's Ayla today? Hope those teeth aren't causing too much distress. Poor little mite. I'm sure O is cutting a second but I've thought that for a few weeks now LOL! He has all the classic signs with no tooth - perhaps it's one of the pesky ones that keep going back in.

Sharne - you are wonderful. I love having you here with your knowledge and advice. I'm pretty pleased to say that O and I seem to follow that routine - not cause we read it but more that we stumbled across it ourselves and thought why fix what isn't broken? He is a little trooper though - I hope it continues.

Shell - looking forward to hearing about your camping adventures.

BF & M2M - belly rubs :hugs:. Hope you are both well. Do either of you know what brand of baby you are getting?! Please let us in on the secret. Weirdly enough BF I thought you were having a girl last night. More weird that I was thinking about you when I was trying to sleep????!!!!!!!

EF - thinking of you today and my very good friend. I will light a candle tonight at 7.

Fugs - Ni Hao! Do you realise that because of you I now greet my dogs like that? :laughing: 'Ni Hao Joe-Joe, Ni Hao Ernie.' They look at me like I'm mad!

Cords - what a crappy week you had :hugs:. How is Ferris? He looks in good spirits on the video. Dogs are great aren't they? He obviously doesn't realise he should be convalescing.

Tracy - did you have a good day for Ben's birthday?

Who did I miss? Loads of you probably! My brain is really mushy still - is anyone else finding this?!

AFM - I have O enrolled in swimming lessons - we start next Wednesday. Sooooo looking forward to it :thumbsup:. O is asleep at the moment after earning his green and gold stripes - he had Weet-bix for brekkie followed by Vegemite homemade rusks. Chomped them down. I actually thought he was gonna lose his hand on the vegemite!!! :laughing:

Byeeeeeeee.....

[wildoats]

just wanted to say that I'm thinking of EF today :hugs:Take care gorgeous xx

i will try and get on here tomorrow for personals x

[bootiful]

yo yo yo ladies :D

how are we all....im FREAKIN FANTASTIC and sooo proud of my little girl ;)

she slept....wait for it......................from 6.30pm (went down with no fuss) till 5.45am :D

after only 3 days on the routine I couldn't be happier :smiliedance:

[Cordelia]

:eek:

[BellyFruit]

:wave:

[Shell31]

Hi girls,

Well we survived camping with the 6 kids.. I'm so proud of them all. Daisy slept like a trooper, actually they all did. It was heaps of fun & we'll definately do it again. We are going to look at getting a camping trailer when Aaron gets some backpay that he has coming in the next 6 months. Should make it alot easier.

Seems like so many of our babies are on the move now.. All those little boys in a hurry to take off lol.. Daisy is still happy to just sit & watch the world go by. She does still get up on all fours & rocks at times, she also goes backwards in a push up kinda belly side thing if she is on the tiles but usually she just prefers to sit up & watch everyone.

Unfortunately we have some sick ones again. Aarons youngest Hannah came down with a nasty cough the day we came home from camping, Theo & Daisy have foul foul runny nose's & temps off & on, Aaron has a gross chest again & had to get anti-biotics into him asap so he will be well enough for his wrist operation on Thursday. Fun fun fun.. There was never any doubt somebody would get sick somewhere in the 2 weeks of the school holidays.

Work has agreed to let me work a 2nd day as a floating day on Aaron's days off so we will be able to have the extra money in our pockets & the little ones won't have to go to daycare anymore then 1 day a week.. YAY..I start the 2 days in a fortnight after Aarons operation..

Aarons on his way back from Sydney now from dropping his girls at the airport to fly home :no: so sad & it never gets any easier.

Everyone sounds really well in here, except Cords. Your poor puppy and I can't believe the whole bank business. What a shock that would of been.

Nic sounds like she is finally in a great routine for you Angel.. Well done.. And another happy birthday to Steph. She get spoilt? I bet you make the best birthday cakes ever.

Sharne & Cords have the skin probs under control. I bought Dermaveen cream for Daisy, Hannah & my skin during the week.. Hasnt really helped mine that much yet.. need to put it on more and poss get the bath stuff. Thanks also for all that info Sharne. We are pretty much on par with what you posted which is good to know. You are always so helpful. Thank you I really appreciate it.

O's a pure Aussie through & through now with the vegemite happening lol Your family abroad would be so proud !!! Can't believe he is on the move now. How are your house plans going?

WO's deleted her farms but has a new obsession to embrace which is twilight :rolleyes: Man room is looking good girl. Ive deleted the farmtown app too. Just dont have the time. I only wish I could of cashed in my 1.2mil into real $$$ *sigh*

Tracy has her house stuff on its way finally.. yay.. Did I read it was Ben's birthday?? Happy birthday ben. Did he have a good day?

Fugs has a new name and I believe from FB also has a daughter on the move?? eeeeeeeek

BF just posted a wave emoticon.. whats up with that?? we want goss women.. You refuse to add me to FB which im hoping is just because you havent gotten around to it & isnt because you hate me.. If you hate me.. no worries I won't ask again but could you let me know please lol. I haven't seen a photo of Chace for months & would dearly love to keep up with you & your family. Hope the pregnancy is going well.

M2M - Your gardens look great. Actually the whole house does & Layla is so beautiful. Are you well with this pregnancy? How is work going?

EF - How is that beautiful Popsicle going?

All this & I only went back 2 pages.. I know there are a heap more posts to catch up on so I might go back & read a few more pages while Theo & Daisy are asleep. Ohhhhhhhhh they both woke up at the same time lol oh no He's cranky too.. great.. came out crying & is now rolling around the loungeroom floor crying :rolleyes: I hate it when they are sick & get beside themselves.. going to be a long afternoon I can tell lol

Bye for now ladies.
Rachelle x

[wildoats]

well the reason we not gettin a pool is cos we getting a jetski instead. We need to get a hobby toghether so this will be great, and the kids can do it too, we hear people go on runs to mandurah have brekky and come back, and lots of other fun things, so be good to make some friends as well with simlilar interests, cant wait to get on it, but i gotta get my skippers ticket first

That sounds great Tracy. We have a boat and we love it! It's fantastic, you can do so much and see some cool places you can't get to by car. But for a jetski will Jaden be too small? I guess he will grow very fast though... before we know it our little ones will be going to high school. happybirthdayto Ben. Hope he had a good day!


wildoats - thanks dog's name is Ferris and he is a Shih Tzu X Silky Terrier.. he's 7 and he's been with us through everything. poor little guy. What's the dress like?? I know what you mean abotu sizing - it should just be standard!! Happy 9 months to Ayla

Cord, that's a great name for a dog! Love it! I have seen those breeds before and they are beautiful, but don't know too much about them. My dog is a Cattle Dog - his name is Shaggy. I really feel for Ferris and all of you, must be such a tough situation.

Thanks for asking about my dress :D... so since you asked it is beautiful but not my dream dress lol... actually don't know if I will be able to pull it off with my still big belly - we will see. It is a satin like dress, thin straps, tight fitting at the top (so no bra), and then drapes down from there, and the bottom pattern is red, grey and black swirls.



WO - how's Ayla today? Hope those teeth aren't causing too much distress. Poor little mite. I'm sure O is cutting a second but I've thought that for a few weeks now LOL! He has all the classic signs with no tooth - perhaps it's one of the pesky ones that keep going back in.


Hey Brum! Thank you for asking about Ayla. She really isn't doing too well :no:. Her top teeth I can see a big hole, blue mark and a bit of bleeding where the tooth is coming out. It just looks really painful. I'm not sure if I should see a Doctor - it looks like the tooth has hit a vein.

Brum, were you the one to say your Nurse said that teeth don't come out then back in? Well my nurse said the same thing. I can't really remember exactly what she said, but it sounds like they can only "look" like they have come out.

Oh good luck with the lessons! The little Vegemite kid... so cute!


yo yo yo ladies

how are we all....im FREAKIN FANTASTIC and sooo proud of my little girl

she slept....wait for it......................from 6.30pm (went down with no fuss) till 5.45am

after only 3 days on the routine I couldn't be happier

Even though I wrote a msg to you on FB, I'll say it again... YAY!! Well done! Very happy for you! P.S look forward to seeing your new do!


:wave:

Didi- I'm with Shell... what's with that?? We need some Goss Woman! lol... How are you? I hope well.


Starsha's deleted her farms but has a new obsession to embrace which is twilight Man room is looking good girl. Ive deleted the farmtown app too. Just dont have the time. I only wish I could of cashed in my 1.2mil into real $$$ *sigh*

Hey Shell! Welcome back! Did miss you heaps! Sounds like you had a great holiday... I'm not sure I could of done it, but hats off to you! I'm sorry to hear that they are all unwell. That's no good at all and I hope everyone gets better soon. Hope Aaron had a safe trip and is back home now. I really feel for you Shell, must be so hard to let them go. I really don't know what to say... so I'll give you one of these :hugs:.

No, no, no Shell get with the times! What are you talking about Twilight... Pfft... Nah "The Vampire Diaries" are much much better! Channel GO, at 8.30pm Monday! I love it! Oops and you said my name... NOOOOOO Shell now the whole world will read about me... My MIL is prob reading this right now! Haha it's all good. But just call me Oats ;).

My ultrasound was all clear too! Thank you for your thoughts.

Sharne, How is Marley? Is he OK? I heard that he had a fever, no? Hope your well.

MTM- How you feeling? Haven't heard from you in awhile.

NickM21- Thank you so much for the nappy cover (I know I have thanked you heaps, sorry) It really is gorgeous, and fits Ayla really well. I appreciate it and taking the time to post it. Thanks (I swear won't bug you again lol).

AFM- Finished my Self-esteem module - got two Distinctions. However, the odd thing is I really don't have any self-esteem myself Haha.

I'm giving myself two whole weeks of NO STUDY!! YAY!! I'm so excited! This has been the first time in 2 years I have given myself a break from study... even when I went to Cape York last year I brought my books... I have evidence of that on FB. So I'm just going to be a Mumma for a few weeks Yay - Nanna Naps and all! Gearing up for Ayla's Baptism on the 1st of November, then back to Byron for a few weeks (with no computer noooooo) at least no harvesting anymore!

OK love to everyone.

Oats x

[wildoats]

Actually, I wrote that this has been the first time that I have taken a break... But I did around March when everything seemed a little bit much for me... didn't mean to lie :no:. Didn't feel like a break then...

Oh and I will do a bit of cutting a pasting what I said to Brum, maybe someone can help me;

Hey Brum! Thank you for asking about Ayla. She really isn't doing too well :no:. Her top teeth I can see a big hole, blue mark and a bit of bleeding where the tooth is coming out. It just looks really painful. I'm not sure if I should see a Doctor - it looks like the tooth has hit a vein.

What does everyone think? OK off to bed now

[wildoats]

Hey Brum! Thank you for asking about Ayla. She really isn't doing too well :no:. Her top teeth I can see a big hole, blue mark and a bit of bleeding where the tooth is coming out. It just looks really painful. I'm not sure if I should see a Doctor - it looks like the tooth has hit a vein.

Goodmorning!

Well looks like that blister, bloody gum has dissapeared :confused: very strange... so don't worry about my post. I just wish this tooth would hurry up I swear it has been over a month coming... is that normal?

Anyway hope everyone has a good day.

Oats x

[tracynben]

Goodmorning!

Well looks like that blister, bloody gum has dissapeared :confused: very strange... so don't worry about my post. I just wish this tooth would hurry up I swear it has been over a month coming... is that normal?

Anyway hope everyone has a good day.

Oats x


speakin of that, jayden has gont one as well, but its under one of his molars, which these teeth dont normally come through for ages, i searched on the net, its pretty normal b4 a tooth comes through or if they have banged it, but if u worried take her to the doctors.

Quick post cos im got lots of stuff to do.
Firstly i got more hours at my work, on mon thurs and fri for 4-5 hours each day, i just gotta sort out childcare, we need the extra money now we gettin a jetski anyway.

Lastly anyone any advice for jayden (sharne lol).
Im really gettin sick of the early mornings noe 5.15 today, its really gettin to everoyne, i know its just his bodyclock, so i need to change it, i read somewhere that if u wake them a little an hour earlier, it breaks the cycle and they sleep longer, anyone tried this.
Also hes nappin horrible, hes gone from settlin for naps really easily, to takin over an hour, then having short naps arghhhhhhhh.

AND LASTLY WE FINALLY GOT OUR FINANCE APPROVAL AND TITLES ISSUE YEAH WE can finally move on with house stuff.


tracy xxxx

[Brumington301]

Hi Everyone,

Well, to those who don't know yet (I think most of you do) my little man is now officially on the move :eek:!!! I was busy laughing at BF on FB that Chase was crawling figuring to myself that I had at least another month of laughing at the rest of you, when my little buddy bum decided he no longer wanted to stay put on his cushion! There's no stopping him now - he's never found in the place he's put down and already he's into EVERYTHING he's not allowed to be in to! He loves visiting the dogs at the back door and spends ages just watching them play outside. He's not 'crawling' in the conventional way - it's more of a frog like motion where he uses his left leg to propel himself forward but, hey, whatever works for you son!

I was gonna come on here yesterday and let you all know that my finger is now very much on the mend. The nail is still attached (God knows how) but still very black but the pain had very much subsided - that was until I caught it on the side of O's change table and pulled the nail away from the finger. So, it is now still attached (only just!), very black and very bl0ody painful again :laughing:!!!

I was just wondering if I could get some advice on things girls? O is a bugger when it comes to his milk again. We are now down to a BF in the morning followed by EBM and then formula for the rest of the day. He doesn't drink enough though. He downs his milk at the beginning of the bottle to an extent if I try to take it away for a wind he gets cranky. He'll drink and drink and drink until it gets to the bottom 50ml and then he just won't have a bar of it. I've tried having a break and going back to it, I've tried breaking down the milk into smaller portions but more often, but no matter what I do he flat out refuses the last bits of milk. Do you think it matters he's not getting that magic 90ml per KG of weight as long as he's also getting water and solids? I've estimated he's getting about 700ml a day and he's now 8.4KG - it's almost enough but not enough. I wasn't concerned until I got him weighed on Mon and he'd not put very much on - only 210g in a month. I've also told myself his cough and teething would have caused him to not put on much weight but I'm wondering if I'm just making myself feel better! He's still within a good weight range and my nurse said not to worry cause their weight does tend to plateau a little bit but I can't help but worry. Any advice would be much appreciated.

The house is coming along OK - it's all red tape at the moment. We have just got covenant approval which means it can now go to council and then it's a waiting game before the house can start being built. Have a look at this link for the floor layout - I can't put it on FB cause we don't want the nosy neighbour to know we're moving!!!!
http://www.plantationhomes.com.au/#/House/31/FloorPlans/27/

WO - no, it wasn't my nurse who said teeth don't come out and back in again (was it Cords?) but I'm convinced it happened to O. As for the hole in Aylas mouth, I can't get a look in O's mouth so well done Ayla for letting you, but it sounds like the dark hole would be normal just from memories of my wisdom teeth coming through - it starts off with a hole and then the tooth pushes through. Perhaps Ayla's is just about to crack the surface now it has disappeared? Well done for the distinctions in your courses. Give yourself a big pat on the back.

Shell - welcome home girl. I'm glad you had a wonderful time camping. DH and I are big camping fans (I swear we should get shares in BCF) and we've just bought a travel cot for O so we can go again soon. Hopefully DH will stop going away on his Bl0ody dirt bike for one weekend to want to spend time with me and O - hmmm, one day! What is it with all of this illness?:no: I really hope you all get better soon and to those who don't have it I hope they don't get it. Lots of cuddles for the family. Excellent news about the second work day. :thumbsup:

DiDi - yep, you didn't get away with it with me either! What's your news? No excuse that you have 3 boys and are pregnant so therefore don't have time to type a message....:laughing:

Cords - you seem to have got away with it though! Don't worry, I noticed! :laughing:

AB - glad that the advice you've been given has served you well and that Nic is beginning to sleep better for you - well done for sticking to the routine. It's all hard work but well worth it in the end.

Tracy - wow to the jetski. I'd love one. I'm very jealous.

Sharne - hey there. Promise to be on to that whole 'reply' stuff soon!

EF - check you out with your new 'everything'! I love the new car and the sofa is looking a bit plush. Now, how's it gonna look with mango mashed into the arms????!!!!

M2M - how's you and bubba? Hope you're well.

Ni Hao Fugs.

Hello to everyone else. I'm off to have a shower....

[Brumington301]

speakin of that, jayden has gont one as well, but its under one of his molars, which these teeth dont normally come through for ages, i searched on the net, its pretty normal b4 a tooth comes through or if they have banged it, but if u worried take her to the doctors.

Quick post cos im got lots of stuff to do.
Firstly i got more hours at my work, on mon thurs and fri for 4-5 hours each day, i just gotta sort out childcare, we need the extra money now we gettin a jetski anyway.

Lastly anyone any advice for jayden (sharne lol).
Im really gettin sick of the early mornings noe 5.15 today, its really gettin to everoyne, i know its just his bodyclock, so i need to change it, i read somewhere that if u wake them a little an hour earlier, it breaks the cycle and they sleep longer, anyone tried this.
Also hes nappin horrible, hes gone from settlin for naps really easily, to takin over an hour, then having short naps arghhhhhhhh.

AND LASTLY WE FINALLY GOT OUR FINANCE APPROVAL AND TITLES ISSUE YEAH WE can finally move on with house stuff.


tracy xxxx

You posted the same time as me!

Great news about the finance first up. Who's house will be finished first? Race you to the end :laughing:

Daytime naps - I've noticed O is taking longer to settle and sleeping less and figured he's getting older and therefore needs less sleep. He's still playing happily in his cot 45 mins after I put him in there - I've heard the mobile being put on and off 3 times now! I've started putting him down a bit later than before - 15 mins later each time so that it's not a huge change for him. I'll let you know if it works. As for the early mornings - can't help you on that one - Sharne????!!!!!!!:laughing:

Good news too about the work situation. :thumbsup:

[BellyFruit]

BF just posted a wave emoticon.. whats up with that?? we want goss women.. You refuse to add me to FB which im hoping is just because you havent gotten around to it & isnt because you hate me.. If you hate me.. no worries I won't ask again but could you let me know please lol. I haven't seen a photo of Chace for months & would dearly love to keep up with you & your family. Hope the pregnancy is going well.

M2M - Your gardens look great. Actually the whole house does & Layla is so beautiful. Are you well with this pregnancy? How is work going?



Hi Everyone,

Well, to those who don't know yet (I think most of you do) my little man is now officially on the move !!! I was busy laughing at BF on FB that Chase was crawling figuring to myself that I had at least another month of laughing at the rest of you, when my little buddy bum decided he no longer wanted to stay put on his cushion! There's no stopping him now - he's never found in the place he's put down and already he's into EVERYTHING he's not allowed to be in to! He loves visiting the dogs at the back door and spends ages just watching them play outside. He's not 'crawling' in the conventional way - it's more of a frog like motion where he uses his left leg to propel himself forward but, hey, whatever works for you son!...
DiDi - yep, you didn't get away with it with me either! What's your news? No excuse that you have 3 boys and are pregnant so therefore don't have time to type a message....


G'day girls... yes I posted the little wave and jumped back off again... I am just busy busy and never seem to make the time to post, though I do read as much as I can. I have a shocking memory though and find it hard to keep up with everyone... dammit I can barely remember who's who on facebook! Shell, have you PMd me your name so I can find you on facebook? I dont think you'll find me otherwise... of course I dont hate you :laughing:!! I tend to update on facebook more often. No photos for ages because my friend borrowed my camera to take overseas because it goes underwater and she had it for 5 weeks! I thought she was only going for 2! But I have it back now but DH has lost the cable to connect it to the pc, sigh... will have to wait for upload of photos and perhaps a bump pic or two eh?

Am 22 weeks now, and you know what, this is the best, most cruisy pregnancy I've ever had. Apart from the first 15 weeks of horrendous MS, I am just in my element atm. So happy, healthy and comfortable, even as I get bigger and bigger.... only notice i'm pg really when I go to bend down to pick something up off the floor and it's a bit of a struggle to bend in the middle (as if somethings in my way LMAO) uh, yeah, that'd be the bun... lol... Had 19wk ultrasound, all is looking fabulous.... we didnt want to find out what we were having but there's DH and me craning our necks trying to "see" ... :p... no luck, however despite avoiding that critical tell-all area, the sonographer did declare at the end that she did know what we were having... sooooooo, does that mean boy? as in, she briefly saw boy bits? Or is she so well trained that she glanced over ground zero and did not see any boy bits therefore it's a girl? ohhhhh the suspense... it's fabulous!

Bubs is right exactly on the money size-wise which makes me wonder if it's a girl, as Chace was a little ahead of dates (big head mainly lol) ... but this one seems a little smaller iykwim... girl perhaps? MIL (bless her) commented that it's probably a bit smaller due to the fact that I conceived so close to having Chace, therefore is a little less nourished... :banghead:.. she means well, but I was a little hurt by that...

anyway... DH has worked all week and all weekend so I've had the kids all bloody weekend and am just at my wits end with the twins who are constantly fighting, yelling and screaming at each other, slapping each other... for chrissake children GIVE IT A REST! ... then DH gets home declaring how tired he is.... :mad:

Brum: LMAO that O is on the move... that's fabulous, and disastrous all in one huh! Chace tends to follow the twins around the house, and they love him for it... I just have to be on the ball re small things on the floor now, like lego and toy soldiers and stuff, little car wheels... choking hazards galore... i have a big box of duplo from the twins that Chace loves and the twins sit with him on the rug and build stuff for him... naw... cute...

Fugs: how's mei mei going in her new room? Was Brum right, getting more sleep?

Tracy: yay for title issue, this means things should start to move on the building front for you :smiliedance:... How you coping with the boys lately? How was Ben's b'day? Hey, Cords and I didnt get an invite :crying: (jk)

WO: I LOVE Vampire Diaries... DH downloaded them for me... drool... droool... looooove it....

Dammit, keep losing part of my post...

take care ladies... G'day to everyone else...

BF x

[Shell31]

WO i've edited my post & removed your name.. Sorry..

BF i've sent you a pm with my name for addition to fb. Thanks for that..

I'm at work so won't ramble just mainly wanted to fix up the name business for oats.

[wildoats]

Ah Shell, don't worry about it! I hope I didn't upset you :no:... did not mean to. Thanks anyway :). Hope your day goes quickly and you see your bubs soon x

[BellyFruit]

yawn.... morning ladies...

Shell I have added you to my facebook... look out for constant updates about menial crap in my life LMAO...

Chace has got bloody conjunctivitis poor thing... is much better today, but had to get MIL to take him to our GP yesterday as I was at work... bless her for doing that... seems to have cleared up a lot today...

A friend of mine has her little girl (9months old) having cleft palate surgery today.... they've waited a long time for it, and had lots of struggles with bubby, and now their wait is over... big day for them... hope little Charlotte does well...This get well dust :babydust2: is for her :)

I'll pop back on here a bit later...

BF x :flowerz:

[wildoats]

yawn.... morning ladies...

Shell I have added you to my facebook... look out for constant updates about menial crap in my life LMAO...

Chace has got bloody conjunctivitis poor thing... is much better today, but had to get MIL to take him to our GP yesterday as I was at work... bless her for doing that... seems to have cleared up a lot today...

A friend of mine has her little girl (9months old) having cleft palate surgery today.... they've waited a long time for it, and had lots of struggles with bubby, and now their wait is over... big day for them... hope little Charlotte does well...This get well dust :babydust2: is for her :)

I'll pop back on here a bit later...

BF x :flowerz:

Hey Didi!

So good to hear from you!!! It is good to catch up and hear how you are going. Poor Chase, hope he is better today. Good luck to your friends little girl - I will pray for her. :babydust2:. I don't know much about cleft plate surgery, but I really do wish her all the best. I'm glad you are having a good pregnancy.

Good morning everyone else!

P.S. Hope your well Kaz haven't heard from you in ages.

Oats x

[wildoats]

Hi everyone :wave:

I got a msg today from Brum on FB asking me about terry toweling nappies (TT). With permission from Brum I have done a bit of cut and pasting of the post I wrote to Brum on FB for anyone that was thinking of trying TT. Additionally, I have also cut and pasted this because I wanted to see if anyone had something to add, or if anyone thought what I have written was incorrect in anyway (for eg. pricing etc). I'm sure Brum would welcome any more info especially on modern day cloth nappies (MCN) as I don't know much about these.

Hi Brum!! I will try to answer your questions ;)

"Did you get the wool or PUL? What would you say would be better? Being in Qld I'm not too bothered about drying times, more about O being too hot."

I got PUL. Wool needs a special washing powder and it just sounded a little "fussy" to clean. Also wool were $15.00 compared to $12.00 for Pul ;) PUL should be OK with the heat... I have had no dramas.

"Why did you go TT flats rather than MCN's? Do you think they are as good as MCN's? I would rather go flats cause they are so much cheaper but wondered what your opinion was"

Well I got them for two reasons 1. they were cheap and 2. because my Mum showed me how to use them and recommended them... the initial outlay for MCN is just crazy (about $600 for most brands) and really not in my opinion worth it - they are more absorbent though and you don't have to change as much as TT. With TT there is a lot of changing involved (every 2 hours... maybe 3 if lucky). Therefore, I use disposables at night because the clean up is not worth it lol.

Washing:

I have three buckets I use over 3 days, once I get enough nappies I do a wash then and maybe put the towels in too. If Ayla has only done a wee I place them in a bucket of nappy san without pre rinsing... of course if she did a poo I may need to rinse. Because most washing machines are so efficient I don't worry too much. But once they have been soaking a bit I always rinse then wash.

"Do you use a liner? Do you have to use a liner?"

I use a liner every nappy until Ayla does poo and then I use them without, because I know that she will not poo again. I flush the matter in the toilet and put liner in bin. Liners are really cheap from Woolies (about $2 for 100 - can't remember). Liners are good because they prevent stains and excess washing.

"How many nappies and covers do you have?"

I have HEAPS of nappies... but I think if you do the 2-3 day thing you only need about 18-20 depending. I have 3 nappy covers. I usually only need 1 nappy cover per day depending if she leaks or not - which has not happened with the Baby BeeHinds or SookiLala.

"Apart from the washing, do you have any other negative comments about TT's?"

The amount of changing. Disposables are just so absorbent. If I'm having a really bad day I just use disposables.

"Do you use Napisan (or similar) soaker? I noticed they recommend that the covers aren't soaked but what about the nappies themselves?"

I use a "Home Brand" soaking solution and I only use half of the recommended dose (this goes for washing powder too). Sunshine is the best anti-bacterial source. TT should be soaked but not MCN.

"What size covers is Ayla in and how much does she weigh now? I looked at the sizes and I'm reluctant to buy med cause O will only be in them for a little while longer. They go up to size 10KG and he is 8 1/2 already. If you got the bigger size do they fit Layla OK if she is still under 10KG? I'm thinking of just buying large and hoping he'll fit into them rather than having to buy both sizes."

Ayla is 10.2 kg and she is a large... I think O should have a large - always go bigger in doubt. They have good velcro patches to grow with your baby - yes go for large. If Ayla was smaller she would fit into large.

"Do you need more than 1 of those clasp thingys?"

I always have 1 on standby because I broke one once... just in case. I have only gone through 2.

"Silly question - why are you now against pilchers? Aren't they the same thing as the Baby Beehind covers? Not too sure about that whole pilcher thing.!!!"

Pilchers are plastic and not very breathable, so not good for QLD. They get hot and sweaty.

I hope that anyone can add or correct me on anything for Brum.

Good night all xox

[honeydew]

Hi all :wave:

Sorry I have been such a stranger :o I've been reading along each day though.

Can't remember any personals but just wanted to pop in and say hi.

Everything is going well here, I was 12 weeks yesterday (or Monday? Not sure lol). I have my NT scan tomorrow which I'm a bit nervous about. Not so much the NT results, but just hoping bub is ok and there is a heartbeat. My spotting has pretty much gone other than the occasional bit so fingers crossed all is ok :fingerscrossed: Will let you all know how I go tomorrow.

:hugs:

[wildoats]

Hi all

Sorry I have been such a stranger I've been reading along each day though.

Can't remember any personals but just wanted to pop in and say hi.

Everything is going well here, I was 12 weeks yesterday (or Monday? Not sure lol). I have my NT scan tomorrow which I'm a bit nervous about. Not so much the NT results, but just hoping bub is ok and there is a heartbeat. My spotting has pretty much gone other than the occasional bit so fingers crossed all is ok Will let you all know how I go tomorrow.



Oh different name!!!! I like it! So good to hear from you and have been wondering how you are going. Good luck tomorrow my fingers are crossed for you:fingerscrossed::fingerscrossed:. Thinking of you and my thoughts will be with you xox :hugs::hugs:

[bootiful]

Hi all :wave:

Sorry I have been such a stranger :o I've been reading along each day though.

Can't remember any personals but just wanted to pop in and say hi.

Everything is going well here, I was 12 weeks yesterday (or Monday? Not sure lol). I have my NT scan tomorrow which I'm a bit nervous about. Not so much the NT results, but just hoping bub is ok and there is a heartbeat. My spotting has pretty much gone other than the occasional bit so fingers crossed all is ok :fingerscrossed: Will let you all know how I go tomorrow.

:hugs:

good luck for today :hugs: keep us posted!

AFM - quick one cause Nic is climbing up the computer chair..as usual...she cut another tooth last night..so thats 5 so far. She slept 12hrs last night and is down to 3 bf a day...

ill try come on tonight to do some personals...byee girlsssss :wave:

[Brumington301]

Hello Everyone :wave:

How are we all? Sorry I've not posted in a while but as you can see from WO's post I've been doing lots of research on nappies cause I'm tempted to change from disposables to cloth. It's not so much for the environment but more for the hip pocket. I plan to use them alongside disposables and have worked out that if I bought MCN's they will have paid for themselves in 3 months. If we plan on having another baby it would be well worth it I think. As for the washing, not really bothered about that and having the weather we do in Brissie I can't really complain about drying times.

So, after much research I think I'm going Baby Beehinds Bamboo the one size fits all. I've found them for $18.75 in a shop in Perth which has free delivery (update to WO and Sharne they are cheaper than the other place I told you girls about). Does anyone have or know somebody who has had experience of them? Any feedback would be great.

We have been out and about the last couple of days. Yesterday morning we went swimming (O loved it) and this morning we went to Mums and Bubs - I had a lovely time and the women there are really down to earth and kind so I think I'm gonna like it.

Just quickies on persies...

Chocaholic (love the new name) - good luck for today. I hope all goes well and let us know how you go. I'll be thinking of you.

DiDi - how did your friends baby's cleft palate surgery go? I hope it wasn't too stressful for both her and the baby. It would be horrible to have to see you baby through surgery at such a young age. How are you? Hope you're well. Is Chase suffering with the conjunctivitis or taking it in his stride?

AB - glad all is getting back to normal with Nic. You must be so relieved.

WO - thank you for all your help over the last few days and sorry if I keep asking too many questions!!!

Hello everyone else. Sorry for no more persies! :wave:

[justmum]

Hi Brum, I've used them :)

They are great. They do however take ages to dry and you need covers.

PUL covers will do in the day.

Wool cover with a bamboo trifold in between the nappy and the cover should be OK for overnight if O is not a super heavy wetter. If O is a heavy wetter you'd be better off going for wool longies (pants).

Wool covers and pants are not so hard to use - you just wash as normal and then dunk then in water with lanolin and hang out to dry - you can use your lansinoh nipple cream (if you bought any for your BF).

For day, you might want to get a couple of the multifit magicalls or some OSFM pocket nappies (like Issy bear nappies or Greenkids) just for ease of use when out or if someone else is looking after O.

I use greenkids pretty much exclusively but they are quite exxy so I understand that the issy bear nappies are almost identical and much cheaper.

Just a tip re buying your BBH, if you are going to buy a bulk lot, contaact BBH directly - they will give you a discount ;)

Good luck on your cloth adventure. I heart cloth.

Sorry to everyone else for being so absent - I am a pooey group member :laughing: I do read along but never have time to do persies so don't post much.

Hope all is well with everyone. I am still up to Miss O about 5 times a night (that's a good night :sleeping:). I have called the sleep school here but can't get in until April. I don't know how I can possibly make it until April.

Sigh.

Anyway off to baby wrangle. Later lovelies.

xx

JM

[wildoats]

Well just a quickie from me, I have a busy week ahead preparing for Ayla's Baptism Sunday week.

Brum glad you found what you are looking for - that is great news!!! Good luck with it all and be sure to keep us updated on how it is going.

JM good to hear from you! Thank you for your knowledge on MCN - I don't know much about them. Hope you get some sleep soon.

Congrats to Choca just saw FB - so happy for your healthy bub cooking away.

OK better go...

Oats xxxx

[Cordelia]

Hey everyone,

This thread is becoming a bit redundant coz I can see what you're all up to on facebook more!!!

I'm wondering if it's a complete fluke (i think it is) but daniel took a step last night :laughing: from the lounge to the coffee table. Surely it's a fluke. I'm fairly sure it was. We're just getting over the initial shock of crawling and getting into everything.

I would like to tell you the worst mother of the decade story. i had daniel sitting in the trolley and DD in the back of the trolley (youknw where you put the food) and i bought a new mop and bucket. DD decides she'd like to stand IN the bucket and before I knew it she's falling head first out of the trolley.. somersaulted and landed flat on her back :hissy: This woman gives an ear piercing scream and about about 4-5 other women around just do this collective gasp. (naturally no one helps) just stands there and stares while DD screams. I am THE worst mum. just tell yourself that story when you aer feeling low!!

didi - how did your friend's baby operation go?? stupid conjuctivitis - i hate it. My kids have both had it this year too. yuck!!

chocoholic - i was about to write "ahh dear i think yuou're in the wrong thread" then i realised it was you!! 12 weeks - fantastic!! i loved the ultrasound photos

angel - great that Nic is sleepign so well now!! I have been tring the routine and no luck as yet really - altho last night was the best night in ages where he slept thru til 3:30 so maybe we are getting somewhere.

brum - good to see you out and about!! daniel loves his swimming too - I was taking him last term but now DH has taken over and he just loves it.

justmum - oh my goodness. 5 times a night :( i hope you can get soem help soon. that's horrific - poor you :hugs:

oats! oats oats oats oats.... what's news?? :wave:

Shell.. shell shell shell shell.... :shame:

[BellyFruit]

ohhh Cords, just read your "mother of the year" post and am having a little giggle... sorry, can't help it... it's SO something that would happen to me... we all know how much I'm a front runner for taking out the prize this year... get in line sister... these things happen, there really is not much you can do besides grow two sets of extra arms and eyes... dont be too hard on yourself... just to make you feel better, I'll let you know some parental error's we've had over our time:

1. When DS2 was about 3 I heard him yelling in distress from the garage... turns out DS1 had pushed the automatic open button for the roller door, and DS2 had grabbed hold of the bottom of it as it was going up and I found him DANGLING from the roof desperately holding on for dear life... if he'd have fallen, he'd have done some major damage...

2. DH slammed the car boot shut last year and caught DS1's head in the boot... required a trip to PMH with a nasty head wound... DS1 had jumped forward to grab something out of the boot and DH didnt see him

3. My step brother was flinging his DD around the loungeroom (she's 5) playing around and he threw her over his shoulder and slipped and she faceplanted the top of the woodheater, lucky not to chip all her teeth!

4. I once had to call the poison's department when DS1 (age 1) scoffed a cockroach off the floor that I'd killed to death with PeaBo... I was about to pick it up when he grabbed it and ate it.. (fyi, PeaBo is not too toxic in small "just-sprayed-on-cockroach" doses lol)

Point is, you can't be everywhere at once, or prevent accidents happening... If DD took a stack out of the trolley, well, add it to the list... ;)

Uh, I think everyone on FB has noticed I have a special place in my pg heart for mangos by now :laughing:... love them, and they're back in season WOO!!! I have always gotten cravings for fresh fruit when pg... especially mangos and stone fruit - also just coming into season.. so lucky that I get pg over the summer!

Now, Haylie, good to hear the scan was all well.. (you are chocoholic arent you? I got confused for a minute!)

Angel: 5 Teeth! that's a lot! Chace only has 1! With only 3 bf a day, is the rest just solids? I was wondering when Chace will drop one of his 4 feeds... should I initiate it or let him do it on his own?

Brum: ahem... Didi & Chace phew glad I got that off my chest... friend's baby's surgery went really well, only a 3 day stay in hospital, so home today... Bubs coping really well and finally on the home stretch for a long year for mum and dad... what a stressful year they've had. WO thanks for your well wishes too.

Gtg, got a yeller standing in his cot looking at me with disdain... might be naughty and go have a nap with him:devil6:... got an enjo party at my place tonight... so need to bake and clean up today.. uhuh, right after a nap...

Catchya later ladies.

BF x :flowerz:

[Cordelia]

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

thanks for the laugh BF ;)

[bootiful]

afternoon everyone


Hey everyone,

This thread is becoming a bit redundant coz I can see what you're all up to on facebook more!!!

yeah its a bit doubled up isn't it..is there anyone here that isn't on FB? Some of you are missing from my FB account, if you want me to add you (im not sure who exactly is missing) PM me and I'll add you :D



I'm wondering if it's a complete fluke (i think it is) but daniel took a step last night from the lounge to the coffee table. Surely it's a fluke. I'm fairly sure it was. We're just getting over the initial shock of crawling and getting into everything.

Oh wow Nic, how exciting, hopefully he will do it again. Nic has started walking around on furniture and im freakin out...im not ready for it yet..where have our babies gone?????



I would like to tell you the worst mother of the decade story. i had daniel sitting in the trolley and DD in the back of the trolley (youknw where you put the food) and i bought a new mop and bucket. DD decides she'd like to stand IN the bucket and before I knew it she's falling head first out of the trolley.. somersaulted and landed flat on her backThis woman gives an ear piercing scream and about about 4-5 other women around just do this collective gasp. (naturally no one helps) just stands there and stares while DD screams. I am THE worst mum. just tell yourself that story when you aer feeling low!!

Errrr....ummmm.....you win cause your was in public...but I was changing Nic's nappy the other day and went to the laundry (directly across from her room) and left the rail down for a minute..she stood up, lend forward and flipped out of her cot and landed flat on her back on the rug....I too am a bad mum....but my mum was right...babies do bounce:rolleyes:



angel - great that Nic is sleepign so well now!! I have been tring the routine and no luck as yet really - altho last night was the best night in ages where he slept thru til 3:30 so maybe we are getting somewhere.

She is now doing 10-12hr nights and i don't know what to do with that much sleep. Sounds like Daniel is getting the hang of it, keep at it, sending positive sleep vibes his way!




1. When DS2 was about 3 I heard him yelling in distress from the garage... turns out DS1 had pushed the automatic open button for the roller door, and DS2 had grabbed hold of the bottom of it as it was going up and I found him DANGLING from the roof desperately holding on for dear life... if he'd have fallen, he'd have done some major damage...

Is it sad that im laughin as i read this?????? I have a really good mental picture going on atm.



Uh, I think everyone on FB has noticed I have a special place in my pg heart for mangos by now :laughing:... love them, and they're back in season WOO!!! I have always gotten cravings for fresh fruit when pg... especially mangos and stone fruit - also just coming into season.. so lucky that I get pg over the summer!

Ah ha...i think your missing from my FB account....are ya are ya huh huh :D



Angel: 5 Teeth! that's a lot! Chace only has 1! With only 3 bf a day, is the rest just solids? I was wondering when Chace will drop one of his 4 feeds... should I initiate it or let him do it on his own?

This is her routine

Wake - BF - Breakfast - Play - Nap
M/Tea - Play - Lunch - BF - Nap
A/Tea - Play - Dinner -BF - Sleep

She occasionally has a BF before her morning nap if she is really cranky or didn't have both boobs upon waking for the day. You should drop it otherwise they won't :p

I'm following the 9-12 month Baby Bliss routine (thanks to Sharne :D)

Nic has been a totally different baby since I put her on a strict-ish routine. I go to bed @ 9.30 now and can watch tv or read a book knowing I will get enough sleep that night...i'm a totally different person now too.

[tracynben]

hi everyone

ANGEL - so glad nic is being so much better for you, sometimes in the end you do need some kinda routine, and although it is harder when you have more than one child, its not impossible, i kno i need to get jayden on one.

BF - sorry but i too like angel had a mental image in my brain of the garage story.
Nothin wrong with having a nap with ur baby, enjoy it, u will have ur hands full in a few months time.

CORDS - ur not a bad mum, a bad mum would be someone who didnt care or learn from mistakes. We all make mistakes with our kids and do things with them we shouldnt, i know i have, just cant think of anything off hand. The main thing she is ok, she is ok?

WO - hope the baptism is perfect and goes well for u, look forward to seein the pics.

sorry thats it for now, got a moaning baby, another tooth i think, and hes got horrible nappy rash.
Hopefully i can sort his sleepin out, 4.45am this morning, not good.
AND got lots of mortgage, settlement crap to read and sign, great, excitin
see u all soon
tracy xxx

[Brumington301]

I'm not going to rant and rave cause it got me nowhere last time but...

I wrote a post and it's disappeared again. Where did it go? I posted it, it had replies to everything. It should have appeared between Cords and TMD's post but it's gone :confused::banghead: TMD - did you see it? The reason I ask you is, cause I noticed I got into trouble about your names so you must have seen it? Oh God, I'm so annoyed :banghead:.

TMD - what spellings did I use? I'm really sorry if I got it wrong, I must have been tired cause I know how others have been warned before and I've giggled thinking to myself 'I don't have to worry cause I always make sure I spell their names right' and then ooooops - I must have been REALLY tired. Forgive me?! ;) Anyway, thank you for all of your stories - I loved especially the garage door one.

Anyway, previous post went pretty much like this...

JM - thank you for letting me know about the nappies. I took the plunge and bought them today so will let you know how we go.

Chocky - (at this stage I ranted about a childrens programme in England called Chocky and wondered if anyone remembered it - it was very strange but I loved it!). Anyway, I was really pleased to see the scan went well cause I know you were a bit concerned. :thumbsup:

WO - thanks again for all of your advice. Did you like my u-turn of 'MCN's are too expensive'?

Tracy - teeth, ughhhhh. Hope Jayden gets better soon.

AB - glad things are going well for you.

Cords - I pretty much wrote the same as TMD - don't beat yourself up. I must admit I didn't have such amusing stories but I'm sure I could add some of my own in a few months time! I also want to know why nobody helps in this situation....

That's it for now. Dinner is burning but I just wanted to say hello and tell you how REALLY, REALLY, REALLY annoyed I am for the second long post in as many weeks just disappearing into oblivion.

Oh, and my nail is about to drop off :laughing:

[Brumington301]

Did it work? Oh, I daren't look......:yes:

[honeydew]

Hi all!

Thanks for all the congrats! We are so relieved and now we are getting really excited about welcoming a new little prince or princess into the world :cloud9:

Cords- :hugs: you are so not a bad mum! Toddlers are VERY hard to contain, esp in public!

Didi- loved your stories- I can't stop laughing at the thought of your DS dangling in the garage :laughing:

I don't have any REALLY bad stories that I can think of, the only time I've felt like a really bad mum was one night when DH & I were cooking dinner. We plated up the food, grabbed our plates and sat down and started eating. It wasn't until the phone rang and I ran back into the kitchen to find Mason standing on tippy-toes trying to reach his plate off the bench- we had totally forgotten to give him his dinner :eek: :laughing: I don't even know how that happened but I felt soooo bad :o I think I was preg with L at the time, so my mind was elsewhere...

Hope you all have a great weekend x

[Brumington301]

Ooops - I've just looked back on my previous post (one before the one that was lost) and have seen what I did - Sorry TMD! ;) Won't do it again. Consider me slapped! :D

[wildoats]

Hey everyone,

This thread is becoming a bit redundant coz I can see what you're all up to on facebook more!!!

I'm wondering if it's a complete fluke (i think it is) but daniel took a step last night from the lounge to the coffee table. Surely it's a fluke. I'm fairly sure it was. We're just getting over the initial shock of crawling and getting into everything.

I would like to tell you the worst mother of the decade story. i had daniel sitting in the trolley and DD in the back of the trolley (youknw where you put the food) and i bought a new mop and bucket. DD decides she'd like to stand IN the bucket and before I knew it she's falling head first out of the trolley.. somersaulted and landed flat on her back This woman gives an ear piercing scream and about about 4-5 other women around just do this collective gasp. (naturally no one helps) just stands there and stares while DD screams. I am THE worst mum. just tell yourself that story when you aer feeling low!![/QUOTE]

Hiya Cord!

Don't feel bad... we have all done things like that before. As for the women just standing there... well I think they prob just didn't know what to do and you know with the whole world the way it is... if you touch a child you may go up for assault. Don't feel too bad I'm sure those women have been in similar situations before.

I can't believe Daniel took a step!!!!!!!! Ayla is soooo unsteady on her feet. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing. But there is no way she is even close to standing on her own. She does though roll everywhere, half crawl, go from a sitting position to floor and goes from floor to sitting position.

As for BH being redundant... for me this just isn't so. I like to come on hear and talk because I hate updating my status all the time because I don't want to bore my friends as they are not in baby world :laughing: I do though comment on other peoples status... and prob annoy you! I do like FB though because I can share my pics with you :yes:.

[QUOTE=BellyFruit;4180880]ohhh Cords, just read your "mother of the year" post and am having a little giggle... sorry, can't help it... it's SO something that would happen to me... we all know how much I'm a front runner for taking out the prize this year... get in line sister... these things happen, there really is not much you can do besides grow two sets of extra arms and eyes... dont be too hard on yourself... just to make you feel better, I'll let you know some parental error's we've had over our time:

1. When DS2 was about 3 I heard him yelling in distress from the garage... turns out DS1 had pushed the automatic open button for the roller door, and DS2 had grabbed hold of the bottom of it as it was going up and I found him DANGLING from the roof desperately holding on for dear life... if he'd have fallen, he'd have done some major damage...

2. DH slammed the car boot shut last year and caught DS1's head in the boot... required a trip to PMH with a nasty head wound... DS1 had jumped forward to grab something out of the boot and DH didnt see him

3. My step brother was flinging his DD around the loungeroom (she's 5) playing around and he threw her over his shoulder and slipped and she faceplanted the top of the woodheater, lucky not to chip all her teeth!

4. I once had to call the poison's department when DS1 (age 1) scoffed a cockroach off the floor that I'd killed to death with PeaBo... I was about to pick it up when he grabbed it and ate it.. (fyi, PeaBo is not too toxic in small "just-sprayed-on-cockroach" doses lol)

Thanks for that Didi! I will remember this the next time. I disqualify for "Mother of the Year"!!


WO - hope the baptism is perfect and goes well for u, look forward to seein the pics.

sorry thats it for now, got a moaning baby, another tooth i think, and hes got horrible nappy rash.
Hopefully i can sort his sleepin out, 4.45am this morning, not good.
AND got lots of mortgage, settlement crap to read and sign, great, excitin
see u all soon
tracy xxx

Hey Tracy, thank you :). I hear your going back to work good luck, will be thinking of you. I hope those teeth come soon.


I'm not going to rant and rave cause it got me nowhere last time but...

I wrote a post and it's disappeared again. Where did it go? I posted it, it had replies to everything. It should have appeared between Cords and TMD's post but it's gone TMD - did you see it? The reason I ask you is, cause I noticed I got into trouble about your names so you must have seen it? Oh God, I'm so annoyed

WO - thanks again for all of your advice. Did you like my u-turn of 'MCN's are too expensive'?

Hey Brum!

Ohhhh your poor nail... I feel sick again!

I always seem to loose my posts. I now copy the text in case I loose it and need to paste it a second time :thumbsup: hope that helps.

I don't know much about MCN's but I think they will be worth it if you get your use out of them. I had a friend who brought the whole package for $600 and then three months later got rid of them... so my only concern would be that your not happy with them. However, you may be able to resell them. Though I have heard (could be wrong) that Ebay have banned selling MCN's.


Hi all!
Thanks for all the congrats! We are so relieved and now we are getting really excited about welcoming a new little prince or princess into the world

Ohhhhh so happy for you!!!

Shell - :) how are you?? What happened to posting everyday lol

Sharne - :wave:

Love to everyone else: JM, Sheree, Angel, Kaz, Fug, EF, Nic and everyone else xxx

PS will try to get on later to talk a bit about us

[BellyFruit]

Brum: it's totally fine... you know me, I'm just funny about my name (and now Chace's name)... just remember, my name is like everyone elses, and does not have random capitals in the middle of it... just all lower case after the first D :yes:... and what can I say about Chace... we just liked the look of it rather than Chase... PIA I know, and he'll battle with it his whole life but hey, he'll get over it...

WO: Chace has only just learnt how to haul his fat self up to standing up at his cot or play pen... no steps in this household for ages I predict... and that's fine with me! I think you're not allowed to sell second hand MCNs on ebay (hygiene?) but can sell washed but not used ones iykwim... monkiesundies lets you sell used ones I'm pretty sure.

Cords, wtf? A step already? Hm does Daniel weigh? Petite babies tend to walk a bit earlier but Daniel's not overly slim is he?

Angel: I'm sure we're friends on FB...

Tracy: how's all the paperwork going... seems endless huh! 4:45am? nooooooooooooooooooo! Mummy does not clock on til after 7am in this house!

Choc: LMAO at your dinner story with Mason... if that's the worst you've got, well you're doing ok! Are you still using your MCNs?

Did I see someone post they'd just bought some MCNs? who was that? Congrats anyway, we use them, even overnight, and they're wonderful! Got a whole stash of Itti Bitti's for the daytime and use boosted Baby Behind Magicalls at night... havent used a sposie in ages...

gtg - have Chacey bum standing at my chair thumping the seat trying to get up... DH got home from work last night at 3am so am being a good wife and letting him sleep. Had an enjo party last night (DH wanted the mop and you cant buy the products unless you host or go to a party) anyway, it was a success, and I ended up getting the $200 mop for FREE!! was soooo stoked. Parting words from DH as he left from work last night were "go easy Didi" ie don't spend a fortune... well he'll be pleased! And I resisted buying a couple of other things because really, I just need the mop and can do without the bathroom glove I suppose...

take care, belly rubs to lovely Choc and hugs for everyone else (unless you want a bellyrub too... )

BF x :flowerz:

[Nickimumto1]

Quick Hello i should be hanging out the washing..

We are all doing well, still busy sewing. My website is now live thanks to DH staying up to 2am to do it for me. Hope to have it stocked on Wed. I will update facebook when the stock is up.

Cloth nappies - Buy mine hehe...there the best. I think Ittis or terry and nice covers are a good go as they look nice in summer but you can reuse the covers.

Bad mother - I put Liam up on the bed with me the other day when i was on the phone and then went to grab a phone number and left him on the bed (forgot he was there) and then bang he fell of the bed. My heart sank when i heard the noise as i knew what had happened. I just kept thinking what a friend who is a pead nurse said, crying is better than no crying. He was not himself all afternoon and i felt so bad that it was my falt for putting him up there.

chocoholic - Love the new name - a May baby, my first was a May baby and i think it is a great time to have a baby, nice little belly over christmas, then nice little winter bub, all squishy and wraped up. Makes me want another one.


Hope all is well, better get back to the washing. Hugs to all.

[honeydew]

Hi girls

Had a MAJOR pregnancy meltdown this morning. I couldn't get in contact with my Mum (not unusual) and I started crying and didn't stop for about an hour :o I came good after awhile and went shopping and found my Mum at her house lol. Was also upset because I am looking for little butterflies for L's birthday party invites and can't find the 'perfect' ones..... then on the way to the shops I saw a dog in the back of a ute that was loaded up with camping gear, and the dog looked sooo happy knowing he was going somewhere fun... well that set me right off again :crying: My poor DH is so grateful he's working this weekend :laughing:

MCN's- I am so slack and haven't used them for ages. Will have to start using them when #3 comes along because I'll have 2 in nappies for awhile and dread the cost of them. Nicki, can you PM me your website? I'd love to have a look :)

[tracynben]

hi everyone

CHOCOHOLIC - wow u have got major preggie hormones going on there, dont worry about it, ur allowed, and sometimes a good cry gets rid of bad emotions (not that u might have any thou).

NIKKIMUM - cool whats the website, you do the MCNS dont u ? Hope it goes well, you should advertise on here and facebook.

BELLYFRUIT - The paperwork is endless, and doing my head in, so many stupid things in, some of which i dont understand, its on a pile stashed away at the mo.
I wish i could get up at 7am, that would be bliss.

BRUM - just a suggestion about postin on here and loosin it, i think its happened to all of us at some point, basically what i do before i post it is copy it, and then if i loose it i can paste it and its all there again.

hi to everyone else, wont be on here as much from next week as im back at work on mondays thursdays and fridays.
Im looking forward to it, but with not gettin much sleep at the moment its gonna be tough going. Jayden woke up at 4.45am again this morning, NOT GOOD, hes been like this for months now, and its seriously gettin to me now, sharne has give me lots of tips, and im really hopin they gonna work.
I should be nappin now the kids are quiet, but i can never seem to switch my mind off.
Im off to thomas tank engine show tomos in perth with ben, im sure hes gonna love it
tracy xxx

[wildoats]

WO: Chace has only just learnt how to haul his fat self up to standing up at his cot or play pen... no steps in this household for ages I predict... and that's fine with me! I think you're not allowed to sell second hand MCNs on ebay (hygiene?) but can sell washed but not used ones iykwim... monkiesundies lets you sell used ones I'm pretty sure.



gtg - have Chacey bum standing at my chair thumping the seat trying to get up... DH got home from work last night at 3am so am being a good wife and letting him sleep. Had an enjo party last night (DH wanted the mop and you cant buy the products unless you host or go to a party) anyway, it was a success, and I ended up getting the $200 mop for FREE!! was soooo stoked. Parting words from DH as he left from work last night were "go easy Didi" ie don't spend a fortune... well he'll be pleased! And I resisted buying a couple of other things because really, I just need the mop and can do without the bathroom glove I suppose...

take care, belly rubs to lovely Choc and hugs for everyone else (unless you want a bellyrub too... )

BF x


Yeah have to agree Didi... I'm more concerned that Ayla learns to crawl first as this is good for their development as it gets the left and right brain working.

Congratulations on hosting your party. I have never hosted a party and I don't think I will in the future... I'm not good at selling stuff :no: lol...


We are all doing well, still busy sewing. My website is now live thanks to DH staying up to 2am to do it for me. Hope to have it stocked on Wed. I will update facebook when the stock is up.

Cloth nappies - Buy mine hehe...there the best. I think Ittis or terry and nice covers are a good go as they look nice in summer but you can reuse the covers.

Bad mother - I put Liam up on the bed with me the other day when i was on the phone and then went to grab a phone number and left him on the bed (forgot he was there) and then bang he fell of the bed. My heart sank when i heard the noise as i knew what had happened. I just kept thinking what a friend who is a pead nurse said, crying is better than no crying. He was not himself all afternoon and i felt so bad that it was my falt for putting him up there.

Hi Nicki,

Had a look at your site last night and it looks FaBuLOUS! Love it! Just need more pics but I'm sure that will happen soon! Your nappy cover is going well and have had no leaks thank you :)

Awww Liam... try not to worry too much, you didn't mean it and he is OK.


Hi girls

Had a MAJOR pregnancy meltdown this morning. I couldn't get in contact with my Mum (not unusual) and I started crying and didn't stop for about an hour I came good after awhile and went shopping and found my Mum at her house lol. Was also upset because I am looking for little butterflies for L's birthday party invites and can't find the 'perfect' ones..... then on the way to the shops I saw a dog in the back of a ute that was loaded up with camping gear, and the dog looked sooo happy knowing he was going somewhere fun... well that set me right off again. My poor DH is so grateful he's working this weekend

Awwww the pregnancy hormones :hugs:I hope your feeling better. I am more sensitive now than I was when pregnant :laughing:.



BRUM - just a suggestion about postin on here and loosin it, i think its happened to all of us at some point, basically what i do before i post it is copy it, and then if i loose it i can paste it and its all there again

Exactly what I said and do :yes:.



hi to everyone else, wont be on here as much from next week as im back at work on mondays thursdays and fridays.
Im looking forward to it, but with not gettin much sleep at the moment its gonna be tough going. Jayden woke up at 4.45am again this morning, NOT GOOD, hes been like this for months now, and its seriously gettin to me now, sharne has give me lots of tips, and im really hopin they gonna work.
I should be nappin now the kids are quiet, but i can never seem to switch my mind off.
Im off to thomas tank engine show tomos in perth with ben, im sure hes gonna love it
tracy xxx

Good luck next week with work and I hope the advice from Sharne worked - they worked for Angel! Ayla wakes up at 5am each morning for a BF and then goes back to sleep - but lately with the teething she has been waking up at 1am GRRR poor thing though I know she is in pain...

AFM- Well I think we have a tooth - hard to tell but it feels like it is... I don't think there was any blood too... the forth one is coming now. She is in so much pain... this never happened with the first two...

My family will be here on Friday for Ayla's Baptism on Sunday. So I'm looking forward to that... but... not looking forward to the preparation that has begun already! Last night we went to Church to introduce Ayla to the Catholic Church, which was nice. However, when the priest came up to Ayla she just screamed. Well he is a pretty imposing figure. I was even intimidated lol. Poor thing she was tired and teething so did not make for a happy camper anyway.

Monday week after the Baptism I'm going home to Byron with Mum. I will be there until the 18th Nov. So a big break. Will get to relax a bit and do some study.

That's about it. Will try to get on here during the week... but as of Monday week you won't hear from me till very late Nov - early Dec... Mum doesn't have internet :crying:. I will put the pics up of the Baptism though Monday week.

Love to all,
Oats xox

[Brumington301]

:wave:

Thank you for the advice about losing posts. The thing is, I do the cutting and pasting thing - this was different. I posted the reply and then went to do other things. Two hours later, I came back on and it had just gone :confused:. Very strange. It had happened before. I wonder if I've closed the page down before it posts properly but I normally wait and see if it goes up before closing - oh, I don't know????

We tried to go camping yesterday but failed miserably. I had an awful night with O. He must have had teething problems or something but he basically woke up every hour and cried for a few mins before falling back to sleep again. This happened until 2am and then he woke up properly just after 5.30. Not happy Jan! So, I was exhausted before we even got going. Anyway, regardless we packed up our stuff and made our way to the campsite near the lake. It was lovely, the dogs were with us the sun was shining and then....the big black clouds started making there way towards us. We just about managed to get everything packed up before it started hammering it down and we made our way back home. On getting home, we discovered that our puppy had been so quiet in the back cause he had been busily chewing the anchor strap to the baby seat :eek:. This morning we have been frantically trying to find a replacement cause we have to go out this afternoon - apparently they do them in Supercheap Auto - DH has just gone down to get it. We might try camping another day!

We're off to a 'Welcome to Ipswich' day today. It should be quite nice. You get a tree, a gift bag and a family portrait - it's a way of welcoming all the new babies born within the last year.

WO - I'm the same as you with BH - I post stuff on here I don't get to really say on FB. I love seeing all the photos on FB though. I'm so glad that pesky tooth has come out for Ayla - is she feeling a bit better?

Tracy - good luck with work next week. Are you looking forward to it?

BF - It was me who was buying the MCN's. I'm looking forward to it. I will probably be pestering you now for advice! You should have never admitted to using them to me ;)!

Chocaholic - I love your pg hormone meltdowns!!!!! Was it my dog in the back of the car all excited about going somewhere (or chewing the car seat???)? I p'd myself when I read that (hope you don't mind!). Anyway, hope you're feeling a bit better today.

Nickimum - had a quick look at your website. it looks wonderful. If I get addicted to these MCN's I will defo but some off of you.

Where's everyone else? Hope you are all OK.

[BellyFruit]

Oh what a glorious day here in Perth! :goodvibes:

Chace is asleep behind me and the twins are outside having some lunch and playing with the paper aeroplanes I made for them. They have instructions in this origami type book, so I'm trying as best as I can... you should see DH (Mr Physics Degree) roll his eyes and laugh when I get to step 8 that says "flip side A outwards halfway to side c, crease, unfold, then reverse invert B to side A" :laughing:... I had to take it to him to fix it!

Enjo party was awesome - very chatty lady and not pushy or anything... I ended up getting the $200 mop for FREE!!!!!!!! :smiliedance: totally worth having the get together, which was a little enjo, a little champers and some giggling til midnight!

Nicki: can you PM me your website, I want to see...

Haylie: I hear you with the pg hormonal meltdown... it's funny in hindsight, but at the time it's just all too much sometimes! :crying: I remember with Chace I had an epic personal meltdown in Woolies when I couldnt decide which brand of mayo I wanted... so funny...

WO: will you have BH access on your break? How nice to get away!

Brum: woo for the MCNs - what did you get? Did you get a new strap for the car seat?

Tracy: I missed what you're doing for work now... where are the boys going? Family day care?

gtg... washing is calling...

BF x :flowerz:

[wildoats]

Thank you for the advice about losing posts. The thing is, I do the cutting and pasting thing - this was different. I posted the reply and then went to do other things. Two hours later, I came back on and it had just gone. Very strange. It had happened before. I wonder if I've closed the page down before it posts properly but I normally wait and see if it goes up before closing - oh, I don't know????.

That is strange :confused:...


We tried to go camping yesterday but failed miserably. I had an awful night with O. He must have had teething problems or something but he basically woke up every hour and cried for a few mins before falling back to sleep again. This happened until 2am and then he woke up properly just after 5.30. Not happy Jan! So, I was exhausted before we even got going. Anyway, regardless we packed up our stuff and made our way to the campsite near the lake. It was lovely, the dogs were with us the sun was shining and then....the big black clouds started making there way towards us. We just about managed to get everything packed up before it started hammering it down and we made our way back home. On getting home, we discovered that our puppy had been so quiet in the back cause he had been busily chewing the anchor strap to the baby seat. This morning we have been frantically trying to find a replacement cause we have to go out this afternoon - apparently they do them in Supercheap Auto - DH has just gone down to get it. We might try camping another day!.

Wow... so does that mean that you didn't end up camping in the end? Poor O, hope his teeth appear soon. Not nice when they're ill :no:...


WO - I'm the same as you with BH - I post stuff on here I don't get to really say on FB. I love seeing all the photos on FB though. I'm so glad that pesky tooth has come out for Ayla - is she feeling a bit better?.

Thank you Brum, but not really... the forth tooth is now making its way out.


Where's everyone else? Hope you are all OK.

I'm thinking the same... we usually hear from Shell on here and FB more often... but haven't heard from her in ages, hope she is OK.


Oh what a glorious day here in Perth!

Chace is asleep behind me and the twins are outside having some lunch and playing with the paper aeroplanes I made for them. They have instructions in this origami type book, so I'm trying as best as I can... you should see DH (Mr Physics Degree) roll his eyes and laugh when I get to step 8 that says "flip side A outwards halfway to side c, crease, unfold, then reverse invert B to side A" ... I had to take it to him to fix it!

Enjo party was awesome - very chatty lady and not pushy or anything... I ended up getting the $200 mop for FREE!!!!!!!! totally worth having the get together, which was a little enjo, a little champers and some giggling til midnight!

Hey Didi, I'm hopeless with those things too and I also don't have a Physics Degree. Actually, I don't follow instructions full stop :laughing:.





WO: will you have BH access on your break? How nice to get away!

:crying: No no internet access at all... yes can't wait to go home and get looked after!!

You sound good Didi... hope your feeling good today also :hugs:.

Love to everyone!!

Oats xx

[MummaFug]

:wave: Ni hao,

I am BACK !!!

I had NO internet for a week - which drove me CRAZY .. But I got myself a new computer and all is good again.

Hope everyone is well. I will try and catch up on everyones news. I have scanned over everything but sorry - wont do personals as it is too far back to go.

Quick update on us.

DD took a few steps by herself 2 days in a row but has done nothing more - THANK GOD !!
I am NOT ready for a walker yet.
:) She is still the worlds worst sleeper - is down to 1 day sleep which lasts about an hour (if I am lucky) and then sleeps 11hrs at night.. STILL waking 2-3 times a night. It is doing my head in but Hey --- cant last forever right ??

DH got a promotion at work - which means we are here for a little longer. GREAT though as we get more money and this mean we can start to buy some furniture and stuff to put in a new house in OZ. and I LOVE to shop :)

Apart from that - it has been pretty uneventful. I'm heading to Oz in 5 weeks :)
via HK Disney :smiliedance:. Am SO looking forward to heading back ... but need to lose 20kgs before i do - any ideas ?? :laughing:

Kisses and Hugs to all

[wildoats]

:wave: Ni hao Fug,

Good to hear from you!!!

Congratulations on DH's new job - that is fantastic! So happy for you all!

Wow that is fast! Walking now! Just remember that crawling is really important to get the left and the right brain working. If she starts to walk encourage her by showing her how to crawl. I was one of the babies who just up and went lol.

I have just lost 3kg, in half a week - I loose weight quickly, but don't think this will last as I get older lol. Just by cutting back my food. Trying to loose weight for Ayla's Baptism.

So good to see your back! Where abouts in Australia are you headed back to??

Take care and talk soon,
Oats xox

[Brumington301]

OK, so it's not just me and it's not just BH - I am not losing my mind! On my last status on FB I replied to AB's question about places to hire car seats. When I looked at it again, it had gone. WO - you also commented on my status cause it said in the bottom right hand corner but where is your comment???? Things are getting weird in computer world...:confused:

Ni Hao Fugs - well done on DH's promotion (whose a clever bunny?) and also DD walking :eek:

WO - tooth number 4 for Ayla? The poor little thing hasn't had a break from them has she? :( O's aren't popping through quite so quickly - he only has his 2 at the bottom ATM.

BF - good going on the mop. Now you just have to use it (not so good).

And another thing......NEVER take a puppy camping! :o

[wildoats]

Hey Brum,
Just quickly wanted to say that I did post a reply to your status and looked back at your status and it was gone! Very strange... tried again and still didn't go though. I just wanted to say that I read about your misfortunes and that it wasn't good :no:... Anyhoo, hope this computer problem sorts itself out. Just thought of something. Maybe we have a virus on the computer?? I hope not :(.

Have a good day Brum, hope you sort out the strap for the car seat.

Oats xx

[BellyFruit]

yooo hooo from my work desk! :devil6: Boss is out!

Oats: no internet access at all :eek: - I just wouldnt be able to cope! I remember last year just before Chace was born on 17 Jan, that DH decided to switch our internet usage over or something and we dropped out of the internet for WEEKS! After the whole pregnancy of being online all day every day, I MISSED the opportunity to post "I'M IN LABOUR" like I'd been waitign to! I'd have had the best posts as I went into labour at night and had to wait until DH got home etc etc, so I would have been posting every contraction until I drove to hospital LMAO... sooo disappointed I did not get to share that with all the girls on BH... THIS TIME I will!

Woo on the 3kg weight loss! But is not eating the best way? surely not...

Fugs: omg mei mei took two steps wtf???? Wow! I'm super duper impressed with advanced said child... woo!! (ok, so you're not super duper impressed!) ... Chacey bum wont be walking any time soon, he's only just started pulling up on furniture the past week.. little fatty... I constantly find him harrassing the twins in the bath... he crawls into their bathroom and pulls up on the edge of the bath trying to get in, and reaches over splashing in the water... cute, but dangerous as I'd hate him to slip on the tiles and crack his head... the twins just love it though... Congrats on hubby's promotion! Hope you're still coming to visit me in November... :thumbsup:

Brum: mopping, not my specialty - perhaps it will be now! Thank god I didnt end up having to pay $200 for the mop because then DH would demand I use it more often!

AFM: Chace is cutting another tooth... I dont know this because of symptoms as he doesnt get any (just like the twins never did) but my mum tipped him upside down yesterday and I noticed a white spot starting up next to his other bottom tooth.. naww... little bubby's not so little anymore...

Have made a new "baby" quilt too... will post pics on FB soon... i put baby in inverted commas because well, the quilt is for a girl, and we may very well have a boy - not that I'd be disappointed, it's just that a girl would be ever so nice... so I've made a quilt for "her" should she be a her, and I'm starting another quilt with a pirate theme for "him" if it should be another he... god, the onslaught of boy-isms in our house is relentless! X-men, lego, astroboy etc... (and that's just from DH :laughing:)... I love all my boys though and will be very proud to announce I have 4 of the little buggers... :cloud9:... Am 23.5 weeks now - cruising along but just starting to ache when I try and get comfy in bed. DH has declared I can go out tomorrow and buy a special pg pillow to help which is nice.

Have a few reservations about the birth coming up... might put up a general post but here goes - I didnt have an epidural with Chace and all in all the birth was pretty good (maybe due to the fact my reaction to pethedine saw me zonk out for 5 hrs of my 9 hr labour)... anyway, I'm not sure if it was the peth or not, but immediately after Chace was born I was very angry and upset... he was taken to the neonatal unit because of the peth and I did not care at all.. I felt really really REALLY angry because of the amount of pain I'd just put my body through... does that sound dumb? I didnt want an epi, and then afterwards when I was expecting all my rush of happy endorphins etc (that they crap on about with natural birth) I was bombarded with anger and hurt by what I'd just been through.. dammit, i dont think I'm explaining it well.. but, i was wondering if it was the pethidine that made me feel this way and deprived me of my post birth "high" or was it all the pain? I'm reluctant to have an epidural this time (just due to the whole "cascade of intervention" and with the twins it made me feel awfully sick and itchy and dizzy etc) .. so it's not a "i am woman hear me roar" thing, just a preference to do without the epidural, that's all... But OB has said I am sensitive to pethidine so I wont have it this time (oh lord)... it made me zonk out to the point where I couldnt remember my own name or string a sentence together, I hated it... anway... i guess I'm just trying to figure out if it was the peth that made me feel that way and could I handle no peth, no epi? dunno... DH is strongly on the epidural bandwagon which has made me angry as I'd like him to do a bit more to educate himself on being a more supportive birth partner. Dont get me wrong, he was great with Chace, it's just that he wasnt very proactive for an active labour which I wanted, but the peth denied me that anyway and I just zonked my way though the pain and he didnt have to do much anyway... phew... :ecomcity: god, talk about crapping on! but I wanted to get this out in here, to see what you guys think...

have a great day guys, I'll prob sit on here for a while...

BF x

[bootiful]

hey guys

been having probs getting into BH lately and losing a few posts so ill try again.

here goes

BF - great to see your preg is over half way. with regards to pain relief and your anger i really am not sure if it was the peth or not, maybe you can ask your OB bout side-effects. if your worried bout pain you could go for the gas or read up on positions to ease labour pains combined with water.

yay on Chace cutting another tooth.

Brum - sorry to hear bout the car seat commotion. Glad you finally got it sorted out.

Fug - Unreal that bubs took some steps..its so scary how fast they are growing up. Nic is walking along the couch and using her walker and play table to push around...her feet are getting there.

Where will you be staying when you come to OZ and where will you be living when you move back?

Trac - sorry to hear things are running smoothly with regards to going back to work. The kids will get used to it in time. Your very brave taking the plunge. I'm doubting going to uni next year and having to rely on my mum, kindy and daycare to look after the kids....hoo hum.

Hi to everyone. This thread is getting more and more quiet as time goes on.....echo echo echo :p

AFM - As i said above Nic is starting to walk, she is getting into everything and has learned how to turn the tv off (right when Steph is watching too haha). She is doing great guns with her routine, im so happy..and thank you all again for your help!

I moved the furniture round in my bedroom today so I hope DH likes it...too bad if he doesn't :D

Just wondering how everyone's bubs are doing milk wise. I am still bf Nic and hope to go till at least 12 months but when do they drop milk as a meal? She is on 3 bf a day. I can't remember with Steph cause she was on formula from 3 months (milk dried up).

Also, is anyone teaching bubs more than 1 language?

[Brumington301]

AB - more than one language?:laughing: I find English hard enough! I think DH will teach him a language I'm not too sure would be appropriate for Kindy! I think if there is another language spoken at home you'd be mad to miss out on the opportunity. My friend is fluent in Italian and her son is being bought up speaking both languages - you could alternate the days or do English in the morning and the other language in the afternoon. I too am getting concerned about milk feeds - O just isn't interested in it any more. I try to force it into him and have started giving him the Woolies mag to hold and play with to try and distract him - it worked for a while but isn't cutting the mustard any more. Our babies should be at an age where solids is more important though shouldn't they?

BF - hmmmmm, difficult one. The Peth could have caused that reaction. I know I react very badly to valium (depression etc) and because of this asked that Peth wasn't part of my labour. They did say it was a different sort of drug and shouldn't make me react the same but I was happy to go from gas to epi without the peth in between. I think you should ask your ob if this is a common reaction. Did they know at the time?
I also want to comment on your Superwoman status! :laughing: Where on earth do you find the time and energy to do everything you do? Twins, baby, pregnant, paper aeroplanes, quilts, MCN's, lawyer.....I'm struggling just with item 2 on that list!!!!! Looking forward to the pictures. I told you I had a dream you had a girl didn't I? :thumbsup:

WO - isn't the whole post disappearing thing strange? Ashley also made another comment that disappeared. Not sure what is going on. I hope we don't have a virus....

We've got our new car seat. We went for the Safe and Sound Maxi Rider AHR - meant to last until baby is 7 years old (if puppys don't get their teeth on it). They are expensive but I think well worth the money for the peace of mind. I know we'd have had to upgrade sooner or later I just didn't think he'd only get 8 months use out of the first one. I have consoled myself with this thought though. We would have had to get a new seat if we are lucky enough to have baby number 2. So, I will return the original seat for a new strap for the new baby to use and it will only cost $60 v the cost of buying another baby capsule plus an upgraded seat for O. :fingerscrossed: for baby number 2.........

[BellyFruit]

Hey Angel and Brum,

the only other language we have in our household is "mummy and daddy words" :laughing: which (bless them) the twins are well aware of... I am often interupted by one twin or the other saying "Muuuuuuuuum, Alex said the D word" which I then frantically try and translate... what's the D word? ... (dumb dumb apparently lol)...

Am def going to chat to my lovely ob about side effects. I am a bit annoyed that it was not until this pregnancy when I mentioned to my ob that I'd had pethidine that I was told "oh, you have a sensitivity to pethidine, I wouldnt give it to you again"... during labour, and afterwards nobody said a thing, or mentioned that my reaction to the drug was not considered run of the mill.. .makes me a bit mad really... the ob I have now (who I love) actually helped me birth Chace as my other ob was out of town, and I loved him so much I've got him again for this pregnancy... he's been wonderful...

Brum: what superwoman status? I have all the kids at home on Sundays as DH works and it's bloody exhausting! Paper planes, baking, quilting AND the baby who likes to crawl flat out down the hallway and get into the bathroom! I am getting reasonably sore at the end of each day now, though I am THRILLED at how much I am cruising through this pregnancy and it's just really lovely.

I think DH and I have pretty much decided this baby is the last one... I dont feel sad about not having another baby, though I do love the chaos! Would def not mind having another, however I'm happy with my body and should be ok with it after this pregnancy, and really dont want to risk effing it up totally with a 5th baby... my girl bits have coped so far, would hate to have a final baby and just all fall apart iykwim... i can still wear bathers, I can still look nice and hold my bladder when jumping/laughing ... I think I might like to leave it at that after this bubs is born... not sad... just reflectful.. (is that even a word?!)

Re feeds: Chace only took 3 bottles yesterday (usually has 4) and scoffed a tonne of food during the day and slept like a champion... i think he is transitioning over to solids as main intake of food supply all on his own, though I thought this happened at 12 months... will be moving him onto cows milk at 11months in any event... i offer food before bottles now, and he's drinking less milk and eating more food... have never had a fussy baby but he just get the sh!ts with his bottle and wont have it - he throws it :laughing:... was interesting to see him down a tonne of water from his sippy cup though... like I said, I think he's transitioning himself... I'm happy enough to let him do it.. lord, the formula costs a lot, so if he wants less, so be it! :D

We still have Chace crammed into his capsule... :o hey, it says up to 12kg and he's only 10kg! admittedly he's a bit squished in it and we should prob look into getting a new car seat... how much was yours Brum? I want the Safe n Sound Compaq, I think they're about $350... groan, just add it to all the bills!

BF x :flowerz:

PS: as you can see, Boss is still out... :devil6:

PPS: I have also lost a post today... I posted it, but it didnt show up... the thread even says i am the last poster, but it's not there... ???

[Nickimumto1]

Hi,

Quick post as Meaghan is eating dinner and she will be finished soon.

BF - Peth has a lot of side effects, i did not have one in labour, but have had Peth before, and it knocked me out. I had an eppi and it was only towards the end and for a short period, i had no side effects, things have change in the eppi department though in last vew years. After i had Liam i had some strange feeling, sad and irrational feelings. I thought that someone was going to swap my baby for another one, so could not sleep. So after being in labour for 24h i could not relax and go to sleep. :rolleyes:

Brum - LOL at O in a Maxi rider, he would look so tiny. DD 3 is in one and she only just reaches the top. Liam is also still squished in a rear facing car seat at the moment. He is our last buba and i can not handle him growing up at the moment.

AB - Liam has just droped to 3 feeds, he droped the one before bed, but is still sleeping throught the night. Not ideal though.

WO - Well done on the weight loss, i am trying again to loose weight, will see how i go, i would like my summer clothes to fit me. Give Byron a big hello from me. Have not been back since we got married there 2 years ago.

Better go.

:wave:

[Shell31]

Hi Girls,

Just popping in to say hey & let you all know I"m still alive lol.. Thanks to everyone who's missed me. Has been abit full on this last week after Aaron's operation. He is really not able to do anything to help me at all with the kids & I am exhausted. His recovery is going well I guess. I am back to work 2 days this week.. not sure wtf I was thinking of agreeing to start this week when Aaron can't even mind the kids.. :confused:

Have had Daisy at the dr's, umm it seems the Dr is concerned that she may have some issues with her legs. The Dr is worried she isn't bearing weight on her legs much & isn't trying to get up or crawl... We actually had her at the hospital before we went camping because we thought she may have had something wrong with her leg. It seemed tender off & on. I just know that my other 3 children have LOVED to stand up on your lap well before they crawled.. Theo was almost walking at Daisy's age. I know they are all different but she is showing no signs of crawling. She doesnt even get up & rock on her hands & knees anymore. She did that a month or so ago a few times. Anyway we have to go to physio with her and encourage her to try & get up on her knees & things. So yeh I've been abit busy this last week..

I can't do personals tonight as its abit late here now 11.35pm but did want to say that Daisy is having 3 bottles a day now. I decreased it to 3 as when she was having 4 she wasnt drinking all of them & I was getting sick of wasting them. So she just has one first thing in the morning, one just before her after lunch sleep & one before bed at night. She has 3 solid meals in between & snacks.

K better go to bed now.
Love to you all, Will do my best to get on the computer more often. Crazy crazy house I live in atm..
Rachelle x

[wildoats]

Sorry for lack of personals, but just wanted to say to Shell Hi :wave:... I was wondering what you were up to. I usually hear from you everyday and then nothing... where had my friend gone :crying:.

I'm sorry to hear about Daisy... must be such a difficult time for you ATM especially with no help and Aaron not well... thats no good at all. I pray and hope everything goes well for you... I will be thinking of you.

Ayla cannot stand either... and hates it. But she slides everywhere. Maybe I should get her checked out? Awww Daisy hope she is OK.

Just sent you a post on FB (echo, echo) just ignore that lol.

I'm BF 3x per day with 3x solids also.

OK better go. Thinking of you Shell and sending my love to you

Oats xox

[wildoats]

Hey Angel and Brum,

the only other language we have in our household is "mummy and daddy words" :laughing: which (bless them) the twins are well aware of... I am often interupted by one twin or the other saying "Muuuuuuuuum, Alex said the D word" which I then frantically try and translate... what's the D word? ... (dumb dumb apparently lol)...

Am def going to chat to my lovely ob about side effects. I am a bit annoyed that it was not until this pregnancy when I mentioned to my ob that I'd had pethidine that I was told "oh, you have a sensitivity to pethidine, I wouldnt give it to you again"... during labour, and afterwards nobody said a thing, or mentioned that my reaction to the drug was not considered run of the mill.. .makes me a bit mad really... the ob I have now (who I love) actually helped me birth Chace as my other ob was out of town, and I loved him so much I've got him again for this pregnancy... he's been wonderful...

Brum: what superwoman status? I have all the kids at home on Sundays as DH works and it's bloody exhausting! Paper planes, baking, quilting AND the baby who likes to crawl flat out down the hallway and get into the bathroom! I am getting reasonably sore at the end of each day now, though I am THRILLED at how much I am cruising through this pregnancy and it's just really lovely.

I think DH and I have pretty much decided this baby is the last one... I dont feel sad about not having another baby, though I do love the chaos! Would def not mind having another, however I'm happy with my body and should be ok with it after this pregnancy, and really dont want to risk effing it up totally with a 5th baby... my girl bits have coped so far, would hate to have a final baby and just all fall apart iykwim... i can still wear bathers, I can still look nice and hold my bladder when jumping/laughing ... I think I might like to leave it at that after this bubs is born... not sad... just reflectful.. (is that even a word?!)

Re feeds: Chace only took 3 bottles yesterday (usually has 4) and scoffed a tonne of food during the day and slept like a champion... i think he is transitioning over to solids as main intake of food supply all on his own, though I thought this happened at 12 months... will be moving him onto cows milk at 11months in any event... i offer food before bottles now, and he's drinking less milk and eating more food... have never had a fussy baby but he just get the sh!ts with his bottle and wont have it - he throws it :laughing:... was interesting to see him down a tonne of water from his sippy cup though... like I said, I think he's transitioning himself... I'm happy enough to let him do it.. lord, the formula costs a lot, so if he wants less, so be it! :D

We still have Chace crammed into his capsule... :o hey, it says up to 12kg and he's only 10kg! admittedly he's a bit squished in it and we should prob look into getting a new car seat... how much was yours Brum? I want the Safe n Sound Compaq, I think they're about $350... groan, just add it to all the bills!

BF x :flowerz:

PS: as you can see, Boss is still out... :devil6:

PPS: I have also lost a post today... I posted it, but it didnt show up... the thread even says i am the last poster, but it's not there... ???

Hey Didi sorry your having trouble deciding on pain medication. I used Epi right at the end of my labour and my legs went really shaky and I couldn't stop my teeth from chattering. Everyone is different... but it didn't last too long. Hope that helps

Oats xxx

[Brumington301]

Just a quickie cause I wanted to reply to Shell. Thank God you're still alive LOL! I was getting very worried there. I presumed things were hectic with Aaron but then thought you had been way too quiet so was getting concerned. Thanks for dropping in to say hi.

That's no good about Daisy's legs :no:. I know the doctor is more qualified than me to speak (:laughing:) but I've heard of babies that show absolutely no signs of crawling and then all of a sudden take off on their little feet. Apparently it happens more with younger siblings who have older ones to watch and learn from. She might not be crawling cause she doesn't want to waste her time - I'll just go for that walking business that Theo's doing! It's good she is getting checked out though. I presume her hips were checked when she was younger? I can only go by what happened with O but he didn't do much of that rocking business. He's still not actually up on his knees - he commando crawls to where he wants to get which obviously comes a bit more difficult when he has baby grows on cause his feet are slippery! Like you say, every baby is different but I hope it's nothing more than Daisy just being stubborn!:yes:

Good to hear from you. :thumbsup:

[Brumington301]

Oh, and down to 3 feeds a day - can I just ask to those babies that are bottle fed how many ml's in total would that be over the course of the day? O is really fighting the bottle. Like Chace he literally hits the bottle away. I'm worried his nappies aren't wet enough but is that just me worrying? He's still sleeping through the night so he must be full....:confused:

[Shell31]

Thanks Brum & Oats.. i'm sure Daisy will be fine. Her hips were checked when she was little & again at the hospital the other week & Dr last week so all looks ok there. The dr did say it could be just that she is the youngest & everyone gets her what she wants but was just a little worried there was no weight bearing at all if you kwim.

Oats.. I really hope Ayla's baptism goes well this weekend. A baptism is so special and I hope you all have a wonderful ceremony. I really hope you enjoy a nice break up at Byron.. Wave when you go past ok. If its a reasonable hour you're always welcome.. Or if Ayla is over it & its a crazy hour your also very welcome lol I have a kick butt coffee machine that makes the worlds best coffee :o)

Am going to try & get on here and just focus on one personal at a time lol. If I try do them all at once I get overwhelmed & dont have the time.. So see how I go today.. Will probably post 40 posts today lmao...

Brum better answer you about Ml's... Daisy has 200mls x 3 bottles but to be honest she leaves abit sometimes.. I mix up the remaining milk into her rice cereal of a morning so that gets used... After lunch bottle is touch & go.. sometimes she'll drink it all, sometimes she will leave 60mls or so. I try not to stress & just make sure I keep an eye on her water intake if she doesnt drink much of the middle of the day bottle. Hope that helps..

[bootiful]

AB - more than one language?:laughing: I find English hard enough!

DH speaks 3 languages and my family speak an array of euro languages and i can speak some asian languages...ideally id love both kids to speak English, French and German but DH won't speak to them in French (too lazy) and my French ain't the best.



Our babies should be at an age where solids is more important though shouldn't they?

Solids is def the main food source but they still need the milk for extra nutrients and antibodies etc.



So, I will return the original seat for a new strap for the new baby to use and it will only cost $60 v the cost of buying another baby capsule plus an upgraded seat for O. :fingerscrossed: for baby number 2.........

Baby No 2....time frame :p


Hey Angel and Brum,

the only other language we have in our household is "mummy and daddy words" :laughing: which (bless them) the twins are well aware of... I am often interupted by one twin or the other saying "Muuuuuuuuum, Alex said the D word" which I then frantically try and translate... what's the D word? ... (dumb dumb apparently lol)...

if you saw my FB yesterday, you would see we are in the same boat HAHA


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I know exactly how you feel. I am more than happy with 2 beautiful girls, but at the same time more kids would be nice too. I originally wanted 6..realistically 4 and DH said 3..but being that I have bad labours I don't wanna risk it.


Hi,

AB - Liam has just droped to 3 feeds, he droped the one before bed, but is still sleeping throught the night. Not ideal though.

when is he having the feeds? how much does he drink. Nic drains both boobs each time.


Hi Girls,

Just popping in to say hey & let you all know I"m still alive lol.. Thanks to everyone who's missed me. Has been abit full on this last week after Aaron's operation. He is really not able to do anything to help me at all with the kids & I am exhausted. His recovery is going well I guess. I am back to work 2 days this week.. not sure wtf I was thinking of agreeing to start this week when Aaron can't even mind the kids.. :confused:

Have had Daisy at the dr's, umm it seems the Dr is concerned that she may have some issues with her legs. The Dr is worried she isn't bearing weight on her legs much & isn't trying to get up or crawl... We actually had her at the hospital before we went camping because we thought she may have had something wrong with her leg. It seemed tender off & on. I just know that my other 3 children have LOVED to stand up on your lap well before they crawled.. Theo was almost walking at Daisy's age. I know they are all different but she is showing no signs of crawling. She doesnt even get up & rock on her hands & knees anymore. She did that a month or so ago a few times. Anyway we have to go to physio with her and encourage her to try & get up on her knees & things. So yeh I've been abit busy this last week..


Keep us posted bout her legs. Hope its nothing serious. Just remember that every baby is different.

Anyway lovely ladies, gotta get my butt into gear. Will jump on this arvo for more posts...bye for now!

[BellyFruit]

Oh, and down to 3 feeds a day - can I just ask to those babies that are bottle fed how many ml's in total would that be over the course of the day? O is really fighting the bottle. Like Chace he literally hits the bottle away. I'm worried his nappies aren't wet enough but is that just me worrying? He's still sleeping through the night so he must be full....:confused:

Morning ladies! Will have to make this a quick post as Chacey bum is at my chair thumping it for attention! Wait child! :laughing:

Brum: I am going to try Chace on three feeds for the first time today, keeping him well stocked on food all day... he's had 180ml (uh, makes up about 200ml) bottle after weetbix this morning, which I use ordinary cow's milk on... I'll offer him a small 120ml bottle about 12:30 or 1pm after he's had lunch... I was giving 180ml but he's stopped finishing them, and it's a waste... so will try 120ml today... then will shovel snacks and dinner into him, with night time bottle at 7:30pm... I just go by feel, if he's not grizzling his head off, might wait til 8pm for last bottle - he sleeps like a champion anyway...

Shell, I hope all's well with Daisy's development... I reckon she's just got all the help she needs around her, why crawl!? :yes:

G'day to everyone else... will pop back in later... am taking Chace to be a demonstratory baby for my sister's year 2 class today... aw... so cute... my gf from mother's group is also bringing her baby too... should be fun...

BF x :flowerz:

[MuMmyof1nRNtoMaNY]

HEEEELLLLLLOOOOOO Ladies :wave:

Sorry for the lack of posts. Iam just hopeless!! I have been reading along though.

Choco -Love the new name!! Cant say I miss thoes prege hormones, but, dont worry its a small price to pay for the beautiful bundle you will get in the not too distant future.

Niki - Lovely to hear from you! I had a look at your website and its coming along beautifully. Cant wait to see some more pics of your handy work. So pleased for you that the little business is growing nicely!!!

BF - I LOVE reading your posts, you always make me laugh! The plane making sounds like fun, glad it was you and not me trying to decifer thoes instructions:laughing: Well done on the Mop too!! What a bonus! Now, with your labour meds; Peth does have a lot of side effects and it does sound like you had a very rough time with it, it is more than likely what made you feel so angry after Chace's brith!! I would be stearing clear of it forever! Could you maybe hire a doula or do some Natural Birth classes?? I found this website that might be of some help http://www.alabouroflove.com.au/services.htm

Brum - I know what you mean about that post. I did see it before it disappered, its very strange! Could it have been erased by a mod??? Dont worry bout O only having his two bottom teeth, Marley only has his two bottom ones too! They will come when they are ready. Sorry to hear bout your saga with the carseat, would love to see some pics of O in his BIG seat!! Marley also has a forward facing car seat/booster, it is a reccaro seat that we got from the States. (I know its not AUS complianced, but, it has actually got more safety feature than AUS standards require. It has a teather latch system at the base of it aswell.)

Trac - Hope work is going well for you!! How is Jaydens sleeping? How are you managing with changing his routine times?? Oh and when you go to work, where does he go? FDC or a centre?? (just wondering cause am thinking about what I will do when I go back)

Oats - Goodluck with Aylas baptisim, I am sure everything will run very smoothly and Im sure you will both look beautiful!! Even without the dream dress!!! Do you have a special dress for Ayla? Oh an dont worry if she crys at the priest, they all do it!!! Hope you have a great time at home. Are you coming back again for xmas or is this the xmas trip?? Sorry to hear poor Ayla is having so much trouble with thoes teeth, I hope that when this 4th ones comes out she has a nice break from them hurting!!!! Dont worry bout her standing, she will do it when she is ready, babies are all different and im sure that she is much happier to be on the floor doing as she pleases, than standing and not being able to move and get what or where she wants!!

MummaFug - Sorry to hear Mei Mei is the worlds worst sleeper. Why do you think she is waking at night? Does she just stir and go back to sleep or do you have to help her go back to sleep?? oh also, it wont last forever!! Congrats to DH on his promotion!! Where are you going to live in OZ? I have a idea for you loosing your 20kg, its called Soloslim, look it up on the web, its a natural supplement that boosts your metabolism it really does work!! My Brother IL has lost about 30kg over 12months on it. Its not too cheap though, but hey, you asked for ideas.

Angel - Well done to Miss Nic on her cruising!! Marley loves to pull up on the furniture and walk along it! Glad to hear that she is still sleeping well for you!!

Shell - Sounds like you had a great camping trip, saw your photos and looks like the kids had a ball!!! I bet the "big" girls were impressed they got to have their own tent!. Sounds like your house is crazy crazy atm, hope Aaron is on the mend and is able to help you out really soon, sounds like you could really do with some "YOU" time!! Im sure that Miss Daisy will be fine with her walking and crawling too. It is true that some babies just dont crawl!!! I really thought that Marley was not going to crawl, but he has decided to take off, not in the usual fashion, but, hey who am I to tell him he's not doing it right:laughing: he is pleased none the less that he can get where he wants in his own way. Just to let you know, my stepmother never crawled and didnt walk till she was 2!! Her parents and the doctors were worried she would never walk but they couldnt find anything wrong with her, then one day, she decided to up and go.....and let me tell you, you would never ever know, she is the fastest walker I have ever met:laughing: Maybe Daisy thinks that it is much easier to have everything passed to her, bless the little princess x

Re FEEDS: Dont worry ladies, bubs between 9-12months start to eat alot more and become much less interested in their milk. They get most of their required nutrients from all the different foods they eat and its alot tastier than milk!! As long as they are eating, look healthy and look like they are growing and developing well, there is nothing to worry about!!! It is also fine for them to change from having milk first to food first and milk after, as by the time they are 12months you will want them to be eating well and not relying on their milk to fill them up. Bubs who drink too much milk and dont eat alot have very low iron levels :) I hope that puts some of you at ease

Better run Marley is awake.

Hugs to you all
Bellyrubs to BF and Choc and anyone else who might be UTD (anyone not telling???:laughing:) just thought id ask

[honeydew]

Hi girls, sorry for being such a stranger :o

Where is EF hiding???? I miss her posts!!!!! :crying:

I can't remember much that I've just read but will reply to what I can....

Fugs- congrats on DH's promotion!!! Yay for new furniture, I am a bit of a shopper too but have tried to be restrained lately. I can't believe DD walked a couple of steps!!! Clever girl.

Shell- sorry to hear about your concerns with Daisy's legs :hugs: Please keep us updated x

Milk- L has either 3 or 4 bottles a day, they are 200mls but she won't usually drink the whole bottle. She has 3 solids meals a day and sometimes snacks.

I'm a bit emotional today about the All Saints finale tonight :o and I've never really watched it religiously, just watch it if its on and I happen to see it. It feels like everything is changing :crying:

On a good note, I think I felt little bubba flutters today :cloud9:

[kazarina]

wow so sorry guys so much has been happening i've been away for ages lol

cassies standing on her own but lacks the confidence to do it for long lol bit more hair and still no teeth!!!!!!!

ah well to be short we were told to leave our house on no grounds because they wanted to renovate,everyones been sick and my grandfather is slowly fading away and we dont expect him to last much longer:(
everythings up in the air so....

just a quick sorry ....

was just reminded on fb that i have been awol lol

hope everyone is well i'll pop back in soon

[bootiful]

On a good note, I think I felt little bubba flutters today :cloud9:

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


ah well to be short we were told to leave our house on no grounds because they wanted to renovate,everyones been sick and my grandfather is slowly fading away and we dont expect him to last much longer:(
everythings up in the air so....

so sorry to hear bout your grandfather...my thoughts are with you :hugs:

AFM - been in the biggest funk today and am finally starting to feel better....dunno why.......

[wildoats]

Oh boy am I busy today! So I will try to keep it short! Argh with Baptism and all of my family coming to stay...



Oats - Goodluck with Aylas baptisim, I am sure everything will run very smoothly and Im sure you will both look beautiful!! Even without the dream dress!!! Do you have a special dress for Ayla? Oh an dont worry if she crys at the priest, they all do it!!! Hope you have a great time at home. Are you coming back again for xmas or is this the xmas trip?? Sorry to hear poor Ayla is having so much trouble with thoes teeth, I hope that when this 4th ones comes out she has a nice break from them hurting!!!! Dont worry bout her standing, she will do it when she is ready, babies are all different and im sure that she is much happier to be on the floor doing as she pleases, than standing and not being able to move and get what or where she wants!!

Thank you RE feeds... I was a little worried, but it is good to hear that is normal! I guess our babies are not that small anymore!

Your so gorgeous Sharne, thank you for saying I will look beautiful! That makes me feel good! Ayla's dress is like a princess dress, very cute! White with pink flowers and a big pink bow. I'm not one to overally dress Ayla but is is cute and very cool :cool: lol...

I will be in Byron untill the 18th Nov. THen I will be back at Christmas time - which I hope we can meet up in Cabarita! I'm so looking forward to seeing you and Marley!

I think the reason why Ayla can't stand is because she is too big :laughing:.



I'm a bit emotional today about the All Saints finale tonight and I've never really watched it religiously, just watch it if its on and I happen to see it. It feels like everything is changing

:hugs:hope your feeling better!


wow so sorry guys so much has been happening i've been away for ages lol

cassies standing on her own but lacks the confidence to do it for long lol bit more hair and still no teeth!!!!!!!

ah well to be short we were told to leave our house on no grounds because they wanted to renovate,everyones been sick and my grandfather is slowly fading away and we dont expect him to last much longer
everythings up in the air so....

just a quick sorry ....

was just reminded on fb that i have been awol lol

hope everyone is well i'll pop back in soon

Hi Kaz!
That was me, I rounded you up like I did Angel lol.

I'm sorry to hear that your having a difficult time :hugs:will be thinking of you x



AFM - been in the biggest funk today and am finally starting to feel better....dunno why.......

:hugs:get better soon Angel, hope you feel better real soon x

Tracy- hope work is going well and Jayden is OK. Will be thinking of you.

Didi-
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I read her book when pregnant. Very good... for me I never used her birth skills as I couldn't move the whole time! However, it may work for you.

OK better go! xox

[Cordelia]

Hi everyone!

Shell - Daisy's still so young!! Sounds like she's too well looked after hehe!! whereas daniel is left to fend for himself half the time poor bloke. I'm sure it will work out in the end :hugs:

brum - bottles... sometimes Daniel will only have 100ml 3 times a day.... really working on that at the moment. The only full bottle he's been having is the 4th in the middle of the night.... which I have decided is wrecking his routine in the day. So i cut that out last night (2 hours of settling) and he's just finished his first bottle of the day. Fun!!!!

BF - how did Chace goes as the demonstration baby!!! I have heard a lot of things about pethadine - i know it's pain relief but the side effects just seem to severe with some people to even attempt it.... you're not up for an epidural??

Sharne - it's great to hear frmo you but more sharne goss is needed!!!

wild oats - hope baptism business is going smoothly :)

us - as i said, i refused daniel's night time feed last night and he wouldn't settle without it but I'm goign to give it 3-4 nights and see if it makes a difference. He is very grumpy with me this morning!! So extra cuddles and attention. No other goss.... mmm... nup!

have a good day

[Brumington301]

:wave:

Just a quick update on us before I go onto persies..

I took O to the Dr again yesterday. He has really been off colour the last few days - over sensitive, sleeping loads, off his milk and food and generally just not being himself. The cough I told you about was still an issue so I thought I'd take him in again and get him checked over. Apparently the cough is still nothing to worry about but he does have a throat infection :no:. Poor little bubba. We have antibiotics for him now which should clear the infection up and hopefully might go some way to getting rid of this cough which he's had now for over 5 weeks.

He's loving his new car seat - being able to see where we are going. I looked around at him yesterday (yes, I was stopped in traffic!) and he gave me the cheekiest smile even though he's not very well - bless him!

Milk - thank you so much Sharne for putting my mind at rest about O's normal milk intake. There was me all worried he wasn't getting enough and then I learn on here he is getting about the same amount as all of your babies. Spot the paranoid first time mum! Thank you all for letting me know the amounts your babies are getting.

Cords - good luck with dropping that last bottle. Hopefully Daniel will soon realise there is nothing to be had in the middle of the night and will drink more during the day for you.

WO - have a lovely time on Sunday and in Byron. How long will you be without internet access?

Kaz - :hugs: you poor thing. I'm sorry to hear your grandfather is not very well. Thinking of you at what must be a hard time.

Chocoholic - still loving those pg hormone stories! How many tears were shed over All Saints??? How exciting to have felt bubba move. I miss those feelings. You are so lucky.

Sharne - hello! How is Marley? Hope all is going well with him and you. Thank you once again for the information about the milk. I love having you amongst us! Also, I am so pleased you saw my post - I'm not going mad am I? Maybe a mod did delete it but I can't think as to why? :confused:

BF - how did Chace go at show and tell? Was he a good boy? I bet he was...

Shell - I noticed you edited to answer my milk question - good on you girl! How is your little princess?

AB - my goodness what a lot of languages. You are obviously very clever people. Is French your DH first/second language? Why does he not want to speak it?

Hello everyone else. Hope you and your babies are well.

[bootiful]

:hugs:[COLOR=darkgreen]get better soon Angel, hope you feel better real soon x


thanks hun, was just having an off day, much better today, must be hormones :(



us - as i said, i refused daniel's night time feed last night and he wouldn't settle without it but I'm goign to give it 3-4 nights and see if it makes a difference. He is very grumpy with me this morning!! So extra cuddles and attention. No other goss.... mmm... nup!

have a good day

all the best, hope in time he gets used to it, hang in there, we are thinking of you



AB - my goodness what a lot of languages. You are obviously very clever people. Is French your DH first/second language? Why does he not want to speak it?

sorry to hear bout O, hope he gets better soon.

DH speaks English, French and Creole. They are all his first languages. He speaks Creole to his family and brother who lives here but doesn't seem to be bothered speaking French to the kids...i have made a fuss about it and it last for 2 days then goes back to English :S

AFM- not getting the hang of this sleep thing. Is there such thing as having too much - being more than 6hrs??? I know an adult should be getting at least 8-10hrs but lately I have been feeling more tired and grumpy...go figure.

Anyways, gonna go lay down and watch tv while Nic naps. bye y'all :wave:

[Cordelia]

brum - meant to say we LOVE the safe and sound maxi rider for DD - so SHOULD last yuo aaaages! she loves being able to look around - and the cup holders - wow those cup holders are the most exciting thing ever!!! hope the throat infection clears up quickly for O

2 Stories from today:

1. walked 15 minutes to the shops and it started raining. daniel needed a feed and DD so crabby and I was stuck!! went to maccas cafe/playground for like 2 hours... walked home stopping on people's porches :laughing: eventualy a man leant me an umbrella and a raincoat to put over the double pram. Terrified kids are going to get sick. So staright ina warm bath, vitamins, vicks all over (can't hurt right??!?!!?!) vaporiser (coz it looks kind of medical) and heater.

2. Daniel was starving (having not had his night feed) so I just kept feeding him.. and feeding him... and feeding him.... and then he had a full bottle. so I stuck him in bed completely passed out and then he vomitted... and vomitted... and vomitted.... omg.... poor guy. it just kept coming!!! so now he has an empty stomach and is asleep despite my motives to fill up his stomach.

Thanks for reading - had to share with somene teehee

[bootiful]

brum - meant to say we LOVE the safe and sound maxi rider for DD - so SHOULD last yuo aaaages! she loves being able to look around - and the cup holders - wow those cup holders are the most exciting thing ever!!! hope the throat infection clears up quickly for O

2 Stories from today:

1. walked 15 minutes to the shops and it started raining. daniel needed a feed and DD so crabby and I was stuck!! went to maccas cafe/playground for like 2 hours... walked home stopping on people's porches :laughing: eventualy a man leant me an umbrella and a raincoat to put over the double pram. Terrified kids are going to get sick. So staright ina warm bath, vitamins, vicks all over (can't hurt right??!?!!?!) vaporiser (coz it looks kind of medical) and heater.

2. Daniel was starving (having not had his night feed) so I just kept feeding him.. and feeding him... and feeding him.... and then he had a full bottle. so I stuck him in bed completely passed out and then he vomitted... and vomitted... and vomitted.... omg.... poor guy. it just kept coming!!! so now he has an empty stomach and is asleep despite my motives to fill up his stomach.

Thanks for reading - had to share with somene teehee

oh nic sounds like you had a very interesting day to say the least..the weather in perth was so odd today wasn't it.

poor daniel...nic did the same thing..we have to remember their stomachs are only small and if they just keep drinking/eating (as they do) it will get full....nic ate soo much one day then had boob. She layed down to sleep, sat up and vomited the entire contents of her stomach. It wasn't funny at the time :p

Hope you have a better day tomorrow :hugs:

[bootiful]

morning ladies

just a quick q...

Q - if bubs wakes up @ 5-5.30am when do they go for their first nap? BB routine says 9am but its 7.45am and Nic is wasted..just put her down and she passed out..do you reckon this will stuff up her lunch time nap cause BB routine says 1.30pm for lunchtime nap and she never makes it past 12.30 :( Me think I need a new routine :p

damn it...i had another question but my mind has gone blank :S

[Brumington301]

I'll be honest with you now AB - I've never gone by a routine so much. I stress too much to follow them. If O is tired, he goes to bed. Sometimes that is twice in the morning, sometimes once, sometimes for 3 hours, sometimes for 1/2 an hour. If some woman has told me my baby will sleep and/or wake at a particular time and he doesn't I don't want to have to stress myself out about it. O doesn't know what time it is. He's clever, but even I can't claim he's that clever as much as I love him :laughing:! If O sleeps for ages during the day it never normally mucks up his sleep patterns over night - it's just that on that particular day he was tired. With his illness, he's been sleeping for around 5 hours through the day but he's still going over night too. If I were you, I'd take on board what is working for you with that routine cause you obviously like it but not panic so much if things change once in a while. ;)

Cords - I'm glad your DD has that seat too and loves it. O sits in it like a little prince - all proud and upright! He giggles every time I look back at him. I know they're bloody expensive but I honestly think it's the best thing we've bought for him so far (if a little earlier than planned - LOL) :thumbsup: How is Daniel today? I hope he's a little better. I think we've all been guilty of the force feeding/vomit situation!

Hi to everyone else.

[tracynben]

morning ladies

just a quick q...

Q - if bubs wakes up @ 5-5.30am when do they go for their first nap? BB routine says 9am but its 7.45am and Nic is wasted..just put her down and she passed out..do you reckon this will stuff up her lunch time nap cause BB routine says 1.30pm for lunchtime nap and she never makes it past 12.30 :( Me think I need a new routine :p

damn it...i had another question but my mind has gone blank :S

jayden is exactly the same, but he cant get to 9am, by about 7,45am hes rubbing his eyes, and loosin it, so i just put him down, if you kept them up till 9am, they would be so overtired, and isnt that suppose to make them sleep less and worse?
i think at the end of the day you just have to follow their lead, if they are tired put them down, i have been tryin to do something similar to babybliss, and to be honest its just not working, this is what i do.

5.30am awake
6am bottle
7am brekfast
7.30am sleep
9.30am snack
11am lunch
12pm nap

after this nap theres no way he can make it till 7pm, BUT if i put him to bed at 5.30pm he wakes very early, so what i now do is let him have a quick powernap at 5.30pm, then wake him. then we can still get a later bedtime.
For some babies routines from books work, and for some they dont, you just have to listen to what your baby is saying, yes its frustrating not having some kinda routine, eso when you have older children, but its better that they are well rested and happy, rather than keepin them up and they are grumpy
hope that helps
tracy xxxx

[Brumington301]

:smiliedance::smiliedance:

WE'VE GOT COUNCIL APPROVAL ALREADY!!!!!!!

:smiliedance::smiliedance:

We've only just put our house plans to council expecting a 6-8 week wait and it has already come through in under a week! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

This means we'll be in our house sooner than we thought.
:thumbsup:

(Sorry - very excited. So annoyed I can't put it on FB - why did I accept a friend request from the nosy neighbour?!)

[MummaFug]

:smiliedance: Brum ... that is FABULOUS news
You will be in your own home before you know it.


Sorry - this is going to be a bit of a 'me' post. But I am at my wits end and it is now affecting everything (including my marriage :no:)

DD just WILL NOT sleep. I figured it out that its been 10 mths - if not more and I havent slept for more than 3hrs at a time :(.

She has dropped her morning nap and is now down to 1 nap a day and it is VERY rarely more than 1hr...I have tried getting her back to sleep but she just wont.

We are also back to waking 3 times a night and for 5 days I didnt feed her until 3am (11 and 1.30 I just settled her back to sleep) but the other night Dh had a HUGE HUGE fight at 1.30 coz she just wouldnt settle - so i gave in and fed her .. This made me REALLY angry with myself for giving in because DH was angry at me - I shoudl have stuck to my guns .. So now we are back at square one and DH & I are in survival mode in regards to our marriage.

I made a STUPID mistake and was SO SO tired that I hit him :( yes, if it had been the other way around - I would have left him ... So why should I expect it to be diffferent for me... I am at rock bottom emotionally and am just SO over tired. I feel TERRIBLE and really dont know how to fix it - or if I can...:crying:

I just dont know what to do !!!!

Sorry - PLEASE dont judge me on this - i feel bad enough as it is.. I'm really not this type of person so I dont know what happened.

I will come back later and do some personals but just really needed to get that out ...

Kisses and hugs to all

[wildoats]

Hey guys,

Just quickly Cord, sounds like you had an interesting day. I hope no one got sick. Though had a bit of a laugh, could just imagine you jumping from porch to porch... that would be something I would do - get stuck in the rain :rolleyes: with no umbrella. Oh the vomiting... well you tried your best - hope he is feeling better.

Brum, so exciting for you!!!! Yay!!!! I know that in some places they take forever - so well done! I know that my parents had to wait forever to build in Byron! Very happy for you! :yelclap:

Love to everyone! xox

[bootiful]

hi guys, personals time.......

Brum - I find if we don't follow a routine I can't do anything cause she is unpredictable, and with 4yr old I would prob end up home all day with 2 grumpy kids. I don't stress if she doesn't stick to it, I do allow it to vary an hour here or there, but I don't let it vary too much otherwise her whole day is out of whack and I end up with a bubs who won't sleep 10hrs at night. She is teething again so it's gonna be a bit all over the place for the next week..ho hum :(

Congrats on council approval! With regards to your nosey neighbour you can delete them as a friend on FB and they won't know :p

Tracy - I like Jaydens routine, it sounds like how Nic is some days.

I don't think you need to follow a routine from a book, just use it as a guide line for the spacing between naps etc..as for the actual times, bubs will dictate them :)

Fugs - - sorry to hear your having problems...im sending a huge hug across the sea to you :hugs:

My only advice is to seek some help from an outside source, and possibly get strict with a routine like baby bliss (it helped Nic soooo much). Nic was exactly that bad...and I know how you feel, a wreck right, ready to pull your hair out or run screaming down the street..and not come back :o It does get better, if you stick to your guns and make that bub know who's boss :devil6:

Sounds to me like you both need to sit down and tackle this together, and realise its got nothing to do with your love for each other (re: fighting) and that your both very overtired..babies can bring out the best and worst in people...its amazing how something so little and innocent (i hear you laughing) can have so much power.

I'm sure you only hit him because you were angry and you love him so much and know he will forgive you. We always take our anger out on the ones we love.

There will be no judgment here as we have all been, or are still going through it.

I'm glad you trust us enough to share your problems. Stay strong and remember that she won't be this little and demanding forever. We are here for you anytime you want to vent..just wish we could do more for you.

hey to everyone else that is hiding or too busy to post.

AFM - Nic woke up @ 3am this morning screaming in pain...stupid teeth so gave her some gel and she went back down till 5am..i left her in her cot till 5.30 though. She is getting better being on her own and likes to play in her cot for a bit. She is a totally different baby lately. Won't be long till she is walking round the house, she is already moving from the couch to the coffee table in 1 wobbly move hee hee.

anyhoo...better go enjoy my quiet time while she naps...luv ya all...byeee

[Nickimumto1]

Hi all,

Fugs - (i have to call you that, you have always been fugs, too many things are changing) First big huggs, i am bad if Liam has not slept all night for a few days, dont know what i would be like after 10 months. I think that you need to try to get a day routine with good sleeps going first and then tackle the nights. Can you get some time off before you tackle it so you go in to it rested. I dont know if that helps, i am sure your DH will forgive you.

AFM - Site is up at 8pm with all stock for sale, wish me luck, i will let you know how i go. Thank you all for your encouragement and support.

Better go.
:wave:

[wildoats]

Fug,

Oh I feel bad. You must of posted the same time I did and I didn't see your post. I was so busy this afternoon that I signed out as soon as I posted. Oh I hope you don't think I ignored you.



Sorry - this is going to be a bit of a 'me' post. But I am at my wits end and it is now affecting everything (including my marriage)

Absolutely no need to apologize... we are all here for you.


DD just WILL NOT sleep. I figured it out that its been 10 mths - if not more and I havent slept for more than 3hrs at a time.)

Oh this sounds bad Fug, not good at all... sleep deprivation can be so harmful for your physical and mental health.


She has dropped her morning nap and is now down to 1 nap a day and it is VERY rarely more than 1hr...I have tried getting her back to sleep but she just wont..

Try Baby Bliss as Angel suggested. Sharne introduced us all to this and you will find the info a few pages back in this thread.


We are also back to waking 3 times a night and for 5 days I didnt feed her until 3am (11 and 1.30 I just settled her back to sleep) but the other night Dh had a HUGE HUGE fight at 1.30 coz she just wouldnt settle - so i gave in and fed her .. This made me REALLY angry with myself for giving in because DH was angry at me - I shoudl have stuck to my guns .. So now we are back at square one and DH & I are in survival mode in regards to our marriage...

I can understand why you are upset... you try to do the right thing, but DH is in your ear saying the exact opposite... after a while your torn... perhaps you may feel like maybe what you are doing is wrong and that your a bad mother, so you do what DH says... but realise that maybe what you were doing was correct. Fug, I don't know if this is how you feel... but this is how I have felt in the past when my DH has done this.

I really think you need to sit down and talk to DH about your styles of parenting and agree upon a routine. Consistency I believe is the key to a good routine. Maybe (very sneaky but may be needed) you may benefit in telling DH that the Doctor or health nurse said to do something and that from now on you both need to be consistent in what they said... Extra sneaky you could say that if he is having trouble following through with what the Doc/ health nurse said that they will come over to show him... :laughing: that will get him doing what you say (I hope)...


I made a STUPID mistake and was SO SO tired that I hit him yes, if it had been the other way around - I would have left him ... So why should I expect it to be diffferent for me... I am at rock bottom emotionally and am just SO over tired. I feel TERRIBLE and really dont know how to fix it - or if I can

Sleep deprivation is a horrible thing Fug, please be kind to yourself. So you hit DH... I think I would of too... your trying to do the best for your baby while in your present zombie state and he has pushed you over the edge... anyone who questions a sleep deprived mother of their parenting ability is sure to get a hiding. Fug, may I ask what has DH said about all of this?


Sorry - PLEASE dont judge me on this - i feel bad enough as it is.. I'm really not this type of person so I dont know what happened....

I would never judge you.

I suggest you blow bubbles... Fug you need to get a little bottle of bubbles to blow when your upset :thumbsup:...

My heart goes out to you. I may sound like I have waffled on and been no help at all, but I truly feel for you :hugs:.

Oats xox

[Brumington301]

Awwww Fugs :hugs:. I wish we could all come to China to give you one massive group hug. We would NEVER judge you or think bad of you, please don't think we would. I'm glad we all have this outlet to let each other know how we feel - sometimes it is good to just get it out. We are all here for you. :hugs:

OK - first things first. Nobody is going to be a happy go lucky person after 10 months of not sleeping for more than 3 hours at a time. It's no wonder things have got on top of you and your DH. I'm afraid I have been the deceitful person that WO has suggested you be and it does work. I hope if you try it with your DH it works for you too. I'm afraid to have to say as well, given your sleep deprivation and the stress of breaking your routine as a direct result of DH having a go at you - I would have hit him too. I'm not just saying that. I really think you just lash out - physically, emotionally, whatever. Your DH will understand, I'm sure of that.

From what I've heard on here (I might be out of line saying all this cause in reality we don't all know each other but just what we choose to share) but I've always thought you sound very close to your DH - the gifts he bought you when the children were born, the mothers and fathers day traditional mugs etc - these are all beautiful things that not a lot of couples have in their relationship. Your DH is probably stressed - he has a promotion and is also surviving on next to no sleep. Even though he's not getting up to feed/settle etc, he is still hearing the crying which is disturbing his sleep. I bet if he could turn back time and not have shouted at you, he would.

So, I think before tackling the issue - sit down and have a good heart to heart with DH. I had to do it on Sunday. It's hard but it has to be done. As long as you are both on the same page then half the battle has been won. Explain to him exactly what you are doing and why you are doing it. Let him know how he made you feel when he shouted at you and why that forced you to react the way you did. He, I'm sure, will also have things to tell you. Unfortunately, we have to listen to these things and take them on board too (even though of course we are the only ones who are right!).

I really think you need outside help to tackle the sleep patterns. You have obviously tried everything and nothing it seems has worked. Are there sleep schools in China or could you get your sister to arrange some help for you when you come to Oz? Is it more than just habit? Perhaps DD could have reflux or something or is her illness/meds something that might affect her sleep? I'm sure Sharne will be able to shed some light on this.

Most importantly, is there anybody you could trust the kids with while you and DH gather your thoughts? You could have an evening out, or just sleep. I really think you need to.

Please let us know how you are tomorrow or I'll come chasing you on FB - and don't think I won't. You have me worried. Look after yourself.

Big hugs mate :hugs:

[tracynben]

:hugs: fugs, sorry ur going through such a tough time.
chronic sleep deprivation is a killer, think some of the others are right, try and get some outside help, maybe go see your doctor.
Are there any sleep angels or anything like that out there who can help put her on a stricter routine, they are expensive, but sometimes they are worth it if they help solve the problems.
Im sure you and ur hubby can sort things out, you just need to sit down and talk things through, is it possible to get a few hours kid free? or even just an hour?
Dont really know what else to say, but you do need to do something.
tracy xxxx

[bootiful]

As long as you are both on the same page then half the battle has been won.

:yelclap: that is 100% right..when you tackle it together as a united front it makes it so much easier. Hope that didn't sound too much like going to war :laughing:..but I guess in a way it kinda is :D

:hugs: :hugs::hugs:

[Cordelia]

no time to write but hugs to fugs :hugs:

[wildoats]

So you hit DH... I think I would of too...

Fug, I just wanted to add I didn't mean normalise the situation - I know it is bad because your very upset :hugs:. I was thinking of you all day hoping you were OK.

Well AFM- My family arrive tonight, so it's goodbye from me. I won't be back online until about the 19th Nov. Ayla's Baptism on Sunday, then driving home Monday night to Byron... a home that has no internet....... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :no::no::no::no::no:.

I will be thinking of you.

Will post pics of Ayla's Baptism on FB on Monday before we head off.

Love Oats xox

[tracynben]

hi everyone hope all ok.
Just wanted some opionionson somethings that rich said to me this morning and really upset me.
BAsically i been a bit off with him recently with bein tired, so he mentioned it to me, and he said other people notice as well, meaning,
the other week when we watched jetskiing i was chattin to the wife, and i had a really **** morning, so i had a bit of a whinge, in the end she disappeeared n chatted to someone else and ignored me, rich told me today, that shes not really interested in listenin to me whingin, and has been and done the baby thing.
This totally hurt my feelings and i burst into tears, and he made it feel like that is what everyone thinks of me, then im thinkin is this why i have no friends really, cos no one likes me cos i moan sometimes.
I dont really wanna be friends with someone who cant support you through tough times, to be isnt that what part of a friend is all about.
Sorry for the rant, i just wanted ur opionions.

ANYWAYS on the good side WE HAVE COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR BUILDIN, cant believe it i didnt even know the applicationb had been put in yet, race you to the finish brum LOL.
traacy xxxx

[honeydew]

Hi girls, just popping in quickly.

Mummafug- I'm so sorry to hear you are having a rough time of things lately. Sleep deprivation is horrible, and DOES turn us into people we normally aren't. It affects everything, esp marriages/relationships. Hopefully you & DH can sort things :hugs: As for DD, do you have sleep school or a baby whisperer type lady where you are? If you do, I think it's something that would really help you guys. I didn't realise things were so bad, I honestly don't know how you are surviving on such little sleep :hugs::hugs: Thinking of you xxxxxxx :hugs:

Tracy- do you think DP was just saying that to get at you? If it IS true, then that woman isn't worth your friendship- a true friend is someone who is there for you and will listen to your whinging for as long as you need them to!

Brum & Tracy- congrats on the building stuff- so excited for you guys!!!! I have the itch again already (yes we have only been here a few months!!!) but I think we will buy some more land if I go back to work after having this bub and will just pay it off until we can afford to build our dream home. So exciting!

Hope everyone else is doing ok. Have been keeping up with you all on FB, but still like reading your posts in here. Sometimes there are things I would say on BH but not on FB cause they may be too personal, or something I may not want to share with the whole world!

[bootiful]

Well AFM- My family arrive tonight, so it's goodbye from me. I won't be back online until about the 19th Nov. Ayla's Baptism on Sunday, then driving home Monday night to Byron... a home that has no internet....... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :no:.

I will be thinking of you.

Will post pics of Ayla's Baptism on FB on Monday before we head off.

Love Oats xox

Enjoy your time away, hope you all stay safe and chat to you when you get back, you will be missed :D


hi everyone hope all ok.
Just wanted some opionions on somethings that rich said to me this morning and really upset me.
BAsically i been a bit off with him recently with bein tired, so he mentioned it to me, and he said other people notice as well, meaning,
the other week when we watched jetskiing i was chattin to the wife, and i had a really **** morning, so i had a bit of a whinge, in the end she disappeeared n chatted to someone else and ignored me, rich told me today, that shes not really interested in listenin to me whingin, and has been and done the baby thing.
This totally hurt my feelings and i burst into tears, and he made it feel like that is what everyone thinks of me, then im thinkin is this why i have no friends really, cos no one likes me cos i moan sometimes.
I dont really wanna be friends with someone who cant support you through tough times, to be isnt that what part of a friend is all about.
Sorry for the rant, i just wanted ur opionions.

ANYWAYS on the good side WE HAVE COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR BUILDIN, cant believe it i didnt even know the applicationb had been put in yet, race you to the finish brum LOL.
traacy xxxx

Oh hun, we all know people like that, i know a few actually, that pretend to be your friends but when you need a shoulder they either ignore you or listen bu then ***** bout you behind your back (they are out of my life now). Keep your chin up, you have every reason to let of steam and vent, you have 2 kids that keep you busy and now a job. If she is gonna be like that just tell her to get stuffed and dont' bother. Im sure the reason you don't have any friends (if that is even true ;)) is not because you have a vent now and then. If no-one IRL wants to listen you always have us here...24/7.

Your hubby sounds a bit like mine with regards to mine in that if your not happy 100% of the time you shouldn't show it to other people. I too have no problem in showing people how I feel or say something if I have had a $h!t day. Men huh!


Hi girls, just popping in quickly.

Hope everyone else is doing ok. Have been keeping up with you all on FB, but still like reading your posts in here. Sometimes there are things I would say on BH but not on FB cause they may be too personal, or something I may not want to share with the whole world!

I am still missing people on Facebook :( but I can't work out who...anyone missing me?????

[Shell31]

Just a quick one today. I couldnt read & not post to fugs & tracy.

Fugs :no: Come here & let me wrap you in my arms for a long non judgmental cuddle / cry. You're post really touched me and I'm really upset for you atm.
The other girls have given you some good advice so I won't waffle on but Brum did hit the nail on the head in that you & DH have something wonderful going on there. I have always sensed this with you. With great love comes great emotion and amazingly you have managed to keep it together for 10months. I guarantee you alot of marriages would not of withstood that. I don't know whats available to you over there by way of support & sleep help etc.
My advice would be make you & DH a cuppa, sit down look him in the eye & tell him what you told us. That you're at the end of your tether & you need some help. That you are finding it hard to cope with the lack of sleep and the fact that he hollered at you when you're just trying to do you best. Tell him that you guys fighting is the last straw.
Fugs its hard enough caring for little ones when you have support & the kids sleep let alone when they are not sleeping, DH isnt supportive & you live in a foreign country.
I truly think you need to speak to him, sort you two out first and once you are on the same page & all patched up you can then tackle DD.
I'm so sorry you're having this rough patch, I've been there and know how you must be feeling. Be kind to yourself, we are after all only human... xxxxx :hugs:

Tracy - Don't stress too much. It's abit hard to know what to say here. I feel that Rich shouldn't have said that to you. He should have stood up for you.
If you were whinging then maybe he needs to actually take a look at what he's doing & might need to pick his game up & help you a little bit more.
She sounds like the kind of person I would rather not be friendly with anyway, no love lost there. Stick to having deep & meaningful's to the people who know the real you & won't judge you.
You too need to look after yourself xxx :hugs:

Better go.. kids getting feral, we are all still in our pj's.

Love to you all will persify later :yes: xxxx

[Brumington301]

happybirthday To Shell, Happy Birthday to Shell, Happy Birthday dear Shell, Happy Birthday to Shell!!!!! Thought you'd got away with it did you?????:laughing: Have a beautiful day and put your feet up - you have my permission!

Fugs - where are you? I've been truly worried about you. Please just let us know how things are. Have you been able to speak with DH? God, I hope you're OK :hugs:

Tracy - I think this is quite weird really. How well do you know this woman? I just think not only is it strange for her to think such things (if indeed she is a friend) but also that she feels it's quite OK to tell your DH???? Why him? Why not her DH? Just very weird. I'm with everyone else here. If she said it, you don't need her. What is a friend if it's not somebody you can have a moan to? Friendship to me is all about laughing together, crying together, moaning together and generally caring for each other and each others lives. If you are having a bad day with the boys then you should be able to call on a friend. You don't need people like this in your lives. She sounds like a bit of a b1tch to me. :hugs:
House race :laughing: Oooooh - you are a tough competitior, but I'm willing to take you on!!!!!! Congratulations on the council approval!

WO - have a lovely time tomorrow and also in Byron. AB is right, you will be missed. Look forward to hearing from you when you get back and seeing pics of the baptism.

Chocoholic - how are you hun? How is that little bundle? Hope you are well and taking things easy.

Hello everyone else :wave:

AFM - well, as most of you will know, DH has suspected whooping cough. He had to have blood tests on Friday and we will find out the results on Monday. He told the doctor about O's persistent cough and the doctor has basically said that they will find out what's wrong with DH before tackling O. I suppose it is easier for DH to be given all the tests first. So, depending on all of these results will depend on if I lose the plot on Monday and demand to see MY doctor rather than any other I've been forced to see. Both DH and O are immunised - DH had his booster just after O was born and obviously O is immunised as part of the 2, 4 & 6 month immunisations but apparently it does not guarantee that you won't contract it - it just means you will have lesser effects. DH wonders how much worse it can get considering his coughing has been making him vomit! They've both been ill for 6 weeks now, poor things. I'm worried now that O's lungs might have been damaged. Perhaps the cough is what eventually gave him such a sore throat for which we got the antibiotics? I think if I've managed to avoid it it is because not only am I immunised but I also had WC when I was a baby so I might have a natural barrier against it too? Not sure on that though. At least we'll find out on Monday. I'll let you know.

[MummaFug]

Ni hao :wave:


HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHELL !!!
happybirthday

HAVE A FABULOUS DAY


Im still here and doing OK :) Dh has been away for 2 nights , back today, then leaves again tomorrow...SO my aim is to get DD sleeping by the time he gets back next week .. Yeah right :laughing:

Saying that - last night she only woke up once :thumbsup:. She woke at 3am .. sadly that was all the sleep she needed apparently so I spend the next 2 hrs trying to get her back to sleep (I took her into bed with me and we snuggled) .. JUST as she went to sleep, DS woke up :laughing: Such is life I guess....She only slept for another 20 mins so is now having a VERY early nap ... think we may get 2 out of her today.

So by 8am I had given everyone breakfast, made and iced 36 mini cupcakes and put up all our Halloween decorations ... We are having all the children from the apartment building here tonight and then we are all going trick or treating.
DS made the cutest pumpkin outfit at kindy yesterday - man he looked cute - I will try and post a picture ..

ANY Brum .. I do hope that DH is OK .. Not fair that you have to wait so long for the results though. Hope it is nothing major so that Lil O is OK too...

WO - You have probably gone by now - but I hope Aylas baptism goes well and cant wait to see some pictures. Have a great holiday.

BIG HUGS AND KISSES TO ALL .. Hope you gets lots of Halloween Candy

[Brumington301]

Hey Fugs - thanks for posting. I was gonna come and stalk you on FB again if I hadn't heard by lunchtime. You were on countdown girl!

Is DH away on business? At least you get that time to deal with DD where you don't have the added pressure. Miracles can happen and you might just crack it in those few days :fingerscrossed:. Even when DH's aren't judging, when things are going wrong you can't help but worry they are and tend to be more inclined to give up on strict routines you've made for you and DD too early. When you are on your own for a few days you might be able to go that bit further.

I found out yesterday that DH has got into the habit of going in to see O when he leaves for work at 5am! So O, instead of settling himself back to sleep as he used to, has started waking and crying immediately :banghead:. DH was severely reprimanded and I think got the message when I told him he will be the one to get him at 5am on a Sat and Sun too! Needless to say, O didn't get to see his Daddy this morning :laughing:. Like I said to DH, it is lovely that he wants to go in and see him but O does not know what time or day it is and will get in the habit of needing somebody there as soon as he wakes up - that could be 3 in the morning or on a Sunday. Oooooh, they're naughty!

What are you doing having all the kids from the apartment block at yours? It sounds lovely but you need to look after yourself. Don't be doing too much.

Happy Halloween to you. It sounds like you do a lot more in China than here. Are there a few American families there too? I'm gonna spend all night trying to avoid the knocks on the door cause I have no sweets! :thumbsup:

[Shell31]

Aww Thanks Brum & Mumafugs and all the others who posted some beautiful messages on fb.
Had a BBQ at our places last night with a few friends & had a few drinkies.. I was smart & stuck with vodka. I did however ply everyone else with everything from beer to tequila shots & cowboy shots :D Think there will be a few :barf:sore heads this morning hahahah. I feel fine just tired.

Glad you're having some time alone to reflect on everything Mumafug & hopefully get mei mei sleeping again. I agree with Brum you always seem to be doing so much. I almost feel like a slacker when I hear how much entertaining & kids stuff you do. Always Holidays places, people visiting & staying with you. I get tired just reading it all lol... Glad you had fun for halloween though. Do they get into it in China?
I let my kids dress up for the first time this Halloween. I didn't spend any money I told them they had to use their imaginations & make their own costumes from things we have here.. It worked out well. Theo had a spiderman suit on, Jamie painted her face white with big black ghoulie eyes, Brookie dressed up as a pirate & had a beard painted on her face & a patch.. Was very cute..

Brum - omg Locky is NAUGHTY!!! geez they think they can pull the wool over our eyes don't they.. Aaron used to do that with Theo.. Sometimes he'd finish at 10 & go "check on him" and sometimes Theo would hear the door or sense movement & he'd be of course happy to see his Dad as he hadn't seen him all day & yeh.. next thing he's up on the lounge at 10.30pm at night ready to play :rolleyes: Men...
How are Locky & Oakleigh? Hope it is good news for you guys tomorrow. Congrats on the house stuff. How very exciting. I've never built a house. Wouldnt know the first thing about doing it all but would love to one day.

Hi everyone else.. Hope you're all having a wonderful weekend..

Rachelle x

[tracynben]

hi everyone hope everyone is well.

shell - hope u had a great birthday, sorry i forgot oto wish u happy birthday, ive had a heap of stuff on my mind at the moment.

fugs - how r u feelin? hope ur feeling a bit better and hope u sort things out soon with ur dh and get bub sleepin better soon. i thought i had it bad, but not as bad as u.

brum - i dont know the woman that well, we met them as they own a jetski place, and we were in there chattin to them for hours, and i got on really well with her. then i met her again at the race wher her hubby was racin. I wasnt gonna go, i mean i was nearly in tears with the kids that day, but rich rang me and said she was askin for me, so i drove all the way down there (40 min drive), and i was still reelin with the kids, and i just had to vent, i dont have anyone here to talk to, and rich was busy doin jetski stuff. Maybe i shouldnt have whinged to someone i dont know that well, who knows, if it was me, id be happy to listen to someones problems and try and help, as long as they dont whinge all the time, i didnt spend the whole day whinging, i did try to make normal conversation too, but it seemed she didnt wanna bother me with and left me on my own to talk to someone else.
rich only found out cos he rung them askin what was happenin with our jetski, he didnt ring up for them to whinge about me, and yes why tell him, she has my mobile, why not be honest and say something to me. I have decided anyway i dont want to be associated with someone like her, who is so quick to judge me just cos i had one bad day.
hows O doing, is he any better? oh and DH of course?

angel - thanks for makin me feel better about the woman. i dont think rich meant exactly what he said, i think it came out the wrong way, and the point he was gettin to, was why im i off mainly with him, hes not very good at communicating his feelings sometimes. AND yeah like u i cant just put a happy face on if something is wrong.
I did have some friends when i lived further north, they just too far away now, i have made a really good friend who is moving to oz soon, and another one i jusst started meetin up with, so im not a total loner lol.

AFM - thanks fro the advice about the lady, i think maybe i shuldnt have had a moan seen as i dont know her the that well, but if shes not interested in listenin to other peoples problems, then shes never gonna be a friend, cos thats what part of a friend is about, i always listen to my friends and help them out as best as i can, even people i dont know that well.

We are a bit worried now thou that our house will be built way before our lease expires on our house, and have less time to save up the extra money we owe on the house.
We applied for a loan too for the jetski and got rejected, which i think in some ways is good, cos we really need all savings for the house, only thing is rich put a 1000 deposit on it, and he seems to think they said its non refundable. WTF, does anyone know if they can do that, i have read the contract and on the back it states that if we have a valid reason for termination they have to give us the money back, i mean until we speak to them we wont know, but i would think refusin finance is a valid readon, DIDI do u know as ur a solictior what the comsumers rights are or anyone?

tracy xxxx

[MummaFug]

Just a quicky from me

I just want to give a HUGE HUGE thankyou to you all ...:hugs: :hugs:

I dont know why (perhaps coz I dont know you all IRL) but I felt like i could share this BAD experience with you ....I am SO SO thankful to have you as friends .... You are all so supportive and kind that I really am thankful for you all.

I am feeling MUCH better after some big chats with DH and we both realize that the lack of sleep with DD is bothering us both. This is our main focus at the moment - saying that, DH is away pretty much 90% of the time for the next 3 weeks .. BUT we are heading to Hong Kong on the way to Oz .. so wil have some VERY much needed family bonding time :)

DISNEY here we come ... Dh and I bond over Disney :)

But seriously, THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart for all your support.

I am SO glad to be part of this forum - but even more glad to be part of this birth group...

OK mushy stuff over with .... LOVE you all

[Cordelia]

fugs - things are sounding a lot better :hugs: i bet sleep deprivation is one of the major problem areas for people with babies. I know it is for us - we just take out the strain and impatience on each other. And I would rather that than take it out on DH than snap with the kids.

Do you get out by yourself much? I do regular activities with some friends and it helps me keep my head above water.

tracy - sorry to hear about the jetski :( no idea about the deposit but I would say you are right.... I hope it works out. did they say it was non-refundable or is that just what rich thinks??

brum - how is DH? look forward to following yoru building progress!

shell - sounds like you had a good bday :)

us - daniel did a record today! slept 7:30pm-6:30am. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!! still feel grumpy and tired - probably TOO much sleep!!! :laughing: never happy are we.

i dont remember if i said but i've started up a music class from 0-5 year olds. It's very exciting but a fair bit of work. The kids LOVE it.. even daniel recognizes the songs :)

ok have to run

[bootiful]

Fugs - we love you too K :hugs:

Cords - yay Nic :yelclap: so glad he finally did it..let's hope it wasnt' a fluke...i feel the same way when i get too much sleep now..i just can't get going..7hrs is my good limit!

AFM - Day 1 of my program went well..i am blogging on the weightloss journal :o

[Nickimumto1]

New thread ladies:

http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?p=4209645#post4209645