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I'm wondering what others think of the following scenario???
PLEASE KEEP IT NICE AND RESPECT EVERYONES OPINIONS!!! :D
K is 6yrs old and T is 4yrs old. Both their parents are medical doctors. One a GP, one a surgeon. Neither child was circ'd as an infant even though their father is. Both parents didn't feel the need to do this to their infants.
Now the children are asking to be circ'd. The parents are agreeing and have booked the procedure. Neither child has had medical complications from NOT being circ'd (ie infection). It is assumed they are asking to be done due to their father being done and perhaps peers also being done (ie the children want to 'look' the same).
Anyway...WDYT???
As a parent WWYD???
I'll post my opinions when others have posted theirs. :)
Myztiks#1Fan
05-09-2009, 17:19
i think i would just wait a few more years until the boys are a bit older for them to make an informed choice like that. after those few years have passed, maybe when they were like 12/13 or something and they were still interested, i wouldnt have a problem with booking the appointment to get them circed. i just dont know about them being able to make a proper choice about it when they really wouldnt know alot about it like myself. i am still pretty unsure of alot of details.
good question though amy.
First, I wouldn't just assume why they were asking, I would find out definitely why they wanted it done.
I would explain to them what happens, show them images and footage if possible.
I would encourage them to wait until they are older if they really wanted it done as you can't grow a foreskin back and since they are so small, I wouldn't want them asking later in life why their parents let them do this.
Don't want to speculate but the 4 year old might want it done because the 6 year old wants it done.
I would do a lot more investigation with the boys before going through with the procedure and definitely wait til they were older.
hmmm, interesting :detective: The anti's are the ones who say...'let the boy who owns the penis ask'...now they have...there is the 'not old enough' excuse :rolleyes:
If they want it done...then let em get it done...IMO with both parents being pro dr's, I'm sure these boys have had it explained to them very well and they know what to expect.
hmmm, interesting :detective: The anti's are the ones who say...'let the boy who owns the penis ask'...now they have...there is the 'not old enough' excuse :rolleyes:
If they want it done...then let em get it done...IMO with both parents being pro dr's, I'm sure these boys have had it explained to them very well and they know what to expect.
:laughing:
IMO aged 4 and 6 is not old enough but if my son wanted to get it done when they were older...what is the problem with us saying to wait?
I didn't say NO :rolleyes:
~Temet Nosce~
05-09-2009, 17:34
First, I wouldn't just assume why they were asking, I would find out definitely why they wanted it done.
I would explain to them what happens, show them images and footage if possible.
I would encourage them to wait until they are older if they really wanted it done as you can't grow a foreskin back and since they are so small, I wouldn't want them asking later in life why their parents let them do this.
Don't want to speculate but the 4 year old might want it done because the 6 year old wants it done.
I would do a lot more investigation with the boys before going through with the procedure and definitely wait til they were older.
:iagree:.. especially since being circed is actually in the minority now so it's not like they'd be wanting to do it to fit in with the crowd.. and I'd also be curious as to why they were all seeing each other's penises iykwim :confused:
Fuchsia!
05-09-2009, 17:39
If it were my child then i would say he can wait till he is 16-18yrs old when he is old enough to know the consequences of it all. Same as if he wanted a tattoo.
4yrs and 6 yrs is way to young to make such a life altering thing. If in someway he was being bullied or harrassed because of it then we would seek all other alternatives before doing just the same as if they had ears that stuck out and requested them to be pinned back.
If it were my child then i would say he can wait till he is 16-18yrs old when he is old enough to know the consequences of it all. Same as if he wanted a tattoo.
:iagree:
I wouldn't let my 4 or 6 year old child make the decision to colour their hair, get piercings etc. so this would be no different.
Mrs Nietzsche
05-09-2009, 17:42
That is easy - no.
Apparently only 2% of boys are getting circumcised these days according to a recent newspaper article, so it seems unlikely they are feeling the odd ones out.
I would assume that somebody has specifically teased them or something.
I don't think that surgery is a good response to being teased.
I didn't let my daughter get her ears pierced til she was 9, so obviously I would never let a 4 year old be circumcised at his request..
Actually I can't believe I'm answering this :o the answer is so obvious. It's like sayig, would you let your 4 year old get a tattoo.
when i was 6 i wanted to be batman. I also thought that sweets were a balanced meal.
sockstealingpoltergeist
05-09-2009, 19:55
I wouldn't let my DD or DS have any comsmetic surgery as children.
misskittyfantastico
05-09-2009, 20:06
^^I'm with them (well most of them;)) I wouldn't allow either of my children to have cosmetic surgery at the ages of four and six.
Sunnygal
05-09-2009, 20:14
when i was 6 i wanted to be batman. I also thought that sweets were a balanced meal.
I like that :)
No i wouldnt let a 4 or 6 year old make that kind of decision, I would tell them, if they still want it done when they are older than go for it... :yes:
Mathermy
05-09-2009, 20:29
err I believe I would respectfully tell my children no , until they were old enough to understand the gravity of the decision. Consent would logically be at like 18 right? Then it's their party as far as i am concerned though I would hope that they would exercise better judgement.
And if DD came to me asking for a pair of big fake boobs to look like me I would say no to that too.Just incase anyone was wondering...:D
And if DD came to me asking for a pair of big fake boobs to look like me I would say no to that too.Just incase anyone was wondering...:D
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
misskittyfantastico
05-09-2009, 21:02
And if DD came to me asking for a pair of big fake boobs to look like me I would say no to that too.Just incase anyone was wondering...:D
:laughing::laughing: DD told me today that she "can't WAIT to be an ENORMOUS woman, so that I can have HUGE boobs!!!" :o:laughing:
nugglyboysmum
05-09-2009, 21:06
I wouldeducate them about the penis' and about the pros and cons of cirsumcision. I would like to think that I could convince them that their bodies look fine just the way they are. I would not agree to circumcise them, if they choose to do so when they are 18 the so be it.
I really think they are WAY to young to make this decision. It is NOT a reversable procedure and there is no medical reason why they should have it done!
Let them decide as adults if it means that much to them, they can do it then. What they don't know now is that it will be excrutiatingly painful and they may wake up begging you to make the pain stop and there will be nothing you can do. Once it's done, it's done.
Mathermy
06-09-2009, 08:48
:laughing::laughing: DD told me today that she "can't WAIT to be an ENORMOUS woman, so that I can have HUGE boobs!!!" :o:laughing:
Oh don't the compliments just fly out of their mouths! DD wants a big bumbum just like mine :rolleyes: i'm pretty sure she will end up with the huge boobs regardless:D
So I said I would come back to share my opinion...and here it goes...
I have to agree with EVERYONE who has said that the children are two young to make this decision for themselves. Someone has already mentioned it but the tatoo analogy springed to mind for me too! :no:
I spent a good deal of time thinking about it last night before I went to bed. I don't understand why these parents are doing this:confused:
I feel like there HAS to be another reason - something else going on.
I have looked after these children since they were newborns - I have known them all their life and have a very special relationship with them and their parents. And it seem VERY odd to me...
MummaBear03
06-09-2009, 09:27
Oh don't the compliments just fly out of their mouths! DD wants a big bumbum just like mine :rolleyes: i'm pretty sure she will end up with the huge boobs regardless:D
:laughing: My 6 year old, when she was 4, told the daycare teachers she wants to have a bum that wobbles because when she had a shower with Mum (that morning) she bumped it and it just "kept on" wobbling :o oh dear.
4 and 6 is not an age that I would allow decisions to be made. Almost let her get her ears pierced for her 6th birthday but thought better of it. It's just too young. I'll reconsider when she's about 12 or so, if she still wants them pierced. Only a couple of girls in her class have their ears pierced as opposed to 1984 when I went to school and ALL the girls had their ears pierced. Times have changed.
Although I agree with the ear peircing thing in principal I think this is WORSE.
If a 4 and 6 yr old were to get their ears peirced and hate it in a few years, they could take the earings out, let the holes close up and their ears would be the same as they were before.
These children's genitals will be altered FOREVER!!! :no:
Mathermy
06-09-2009, 10:53
:laughing: My 6 year old, when she was 4, told the daycare teachers she wants to have a bum that wobbles because when she had a shower with Mum (that morning) she bumped it and it just "kept on" wobbling :o oh dear.
4 and 6 is not an age that I would allow decisions to be made. Almost let her get her ears pierced for her 6th birthday but thought better of it. It's just too young. I'll reconsider when she's about 12 or so, if she still wants them pierced. Only a couple of girls in her class have their ears pierced as opposed to 1984 when I went to school and ALL the girls had their ears pierced. Times have changed.
I think children's rights are starting (slowly) to be taken more seriously, and I know some disagree but I think it signals a real evolution of understanding our children as little individuals, rather than just extensions of ourselves that we have the right to do whatever with.
Umm would I get my 4 year old circed/tattoed/peirced or modified in other ways because he asked for it...no!
I find it a bit weird that people think children that young should be allowed the responsibility of choosing to permanently modify their bodies when they are not capable of understanding the consquences of those choices (ie pain, possible infections, scarring etc).
[QUOTE=naiwen;4051234]Umm would I get my 4 year old circed/tattoed/peirced or modified in other ways because he asked for it...no!
I find it a bit weird that people think children that young should be allowed the responsibility of choosing to permanently modify their bodies when they are not capable of understanding the consquences of those choices (ie pain, possible infections, scarring etc).[/QUOTE
EXACTLY!!! :iagree:What baffles me is that these parents are well educated professionals who both are engaging in continued tertiary post grad studies. I just CANNOT comprehend their decision.
Malolly - I also agree 100% that children are little people. Individuals who are capable and intelligent! BUT I do NOT think 4 and 6 year olds can comprehend the possible consequences of having this procedure done. It really saddens me.
At 4 and 6 - that is easy, I'd say no.
Just like if they asked for a swig of my beer (etc), I'd say no.
I think it's unlikely that they would be doing it to look like their peers as it's in the minority now anyway.
Maybe the parents were PRO CIRC all along and just decided they didnt want to circ their newborns.
Maybe they just feel that this age is better.
mini munchkin
07-09-2009, 09:00
Without throwing stones while living in a glass house...
I wouldn't allow my son to choose to be circ at 4 or 6...
Having said that, I was allowed to have cosmetic surgery at 7. I had my ears pinned back..... which makes me wonder... should I have been denied something I understood about completely and desperately wanted (I was being picked on at school)????
My lot - that is certainly possible! And to be honest *if* this were the case I think I would find it easier to respect their decision. But the way it was explained to me was that they had booked the boys in because they wanted it done and that just doesn't sit well with me.
Mini munchkin - I see your point. But in your case your social and emotional development was being threatened! I don't think that is happening in this case!
Oh my, I thought this was just hypothetical :eek:
Batman, tattoo analogies etc work well. There's no way a 6 year old could comprehend the consequences of circumcision. Therefor there's no way they can give informed consent. That's a total no brainer.
Bada-bing bada-boom: I wish it was just a hypothetical! My mind boggles as to what these parents are thinking. Like I said they are both medical doctors, both fantastic parents and I've looked after the boys since newborns so know the family very well! Never thought I would hear of this happening!
MummaBear03
07-09-2009, 22:29
Oh my, I thought this was just hypothetical :eek:
I thought that too!!!!! :no:
Hollywood
07-09-2009, 22:40
I would tell them they can have it done when they can PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES! :devil6:
Well perhaps they explained it to you in the way that THE BOYS wanted it done so it would sit well with you, why they would bother with that i dont know, but i guess if it was something WE wanted as a family i would probably say to *who ever i told* that my boys wanted it done too.
Maybe you just didnt understand that they, the parents and the boys, want it done.
tesspollard
08-09-2009, 14:17
in my opinion, circumscision is one of those things that should either be done at birth or later in life when the child is mature enough to make that decision,
as a baby it isnt an experience that is remembered and i just feel that its not a very good idea for a 4yr old and a 6yr old to make that decision yet.
if they were older, maybe 12 or so, it would be okay i guess.
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