In light of all the circ threads latelty

[Blueberry Crumble]

Sorry for starting another circ thread :laughing:

But I was wondering, people who are against circumcision, do you think it should be against the law?

ANd people who are pro-circ, do you think it should be compulsory?

[happyluvy]

i dont think it should be compulsery, or illegal... it should be 'each to their own', its upto each parent to judge what is best for their child.

thats all :p


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[Pixilocks]

I'm anti-circ but I don't really think it should be against the law...

I certainly think there are some cases where it is medically necessary like the condition (can't remember the name) where the foreskin is too tight and can't be retracted.

I am against circumsicion for aesthetic reasons and because people think it will lead to problems regarding 'cleanliness' as I stated in the other thread, if you wash properly you are highly unlikely to get an infection in the area, and I truly believe that the foreskin serves a purpose to protect the penis, just as the labia protects the internal vagina.

Having said this, these are my views and I don't think it should be made illegal as everyone should have their own views. I don't understand why anyone would do it, but if they have their reasons, then whatever.

[anewme]

i dont think it should be compulsery, or illegal... it should be 'each to their own', its upto each parent to judge what is best for their child.

thats all :p


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:iagree:Well said.

[SassyMummy]

Making it compulsory... is ridiculous. I don't think that should or would ever happen.

Making it illegal is not something I agree with either.

[bada]

Well I'm not against circumcision as such as sometimes it's warranted, and if an adult wants it done then go for it. But I am against non-therapeutic circumcision of infants.

Everyone deserves the right to decide what happens to their own genitals, so yes I think the laws need to support that. It's illegal to circumcise a baby girl in this country, so how can we say it's not ok to alter girl's genitalia without their consent but it is ok to do the same to boys. It does not make sense.

[BigRedV]

Everyone deserves the right to decide what happens to their own genitals, so yes I think the laws need to support that. It's illegal to circumcise a baby girl in this country, so how can we say it's not ok to alter girl's genitalia without their consent but it is ok to do the same to boys. It does not make sense.


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[CrankyAndTired]

I am pro-circ, and pro-vax, and believe all baby boys should be routinely circumsized and vaccinated, regardless of their parent's wishes.










:laughing::laughing: As if!!

As much as I believe there are important health benefits to both circing and vaxxing, no - they could never be, and should never be compulsory.

[Luna Lovegood]

I believe RIC should be illegal, but not circ all together.

[Fuchsia!]

Yes i think it should be illegal like female RIC.

But i think that it shouldn't be illegal after the age of 16. I believe that every boy should be able to choose for themselves whether they want it done or not, not the parents. So Im only against Infant circumcision.

[Amara]

Isn't it already banned in public hospitals? That should say it all really.

[firsttimemumvmr]

:iagree:Well said.

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I'm actually still undecided on this one and so is my husband. If I'm posting in the wrong place my apologies, by the way. I'm new here.

Basically, with regard to the cleanliness issue, well, it seems that it is easier for bacteria, fungus etc to collect and breed under the foreskin and that washing alone might not be sufficient. This is my main argument for. Neither of us is religious (although my husband comes from a Jewish background) and we are not taking into consideration purely aesthetic reasons or fitting in or anything like that. My main argument against is that maybe we ought to give our child the choice when he grows up, although then again, it'd be harder on him later on. So, especialy since I have mixed views I certainly would not ban the practice nor make it compulsory.

[firsttimemumvmr]

Isn't it already banned in public hospitals? That should say it all really.

Well, we have to also bear in mind that public hospitals have limited funds and tend to be reluctant to engage in practices that they don't see as strictly necessary. What my understanding of the statement of the Medical Association is that there is insufficient evidence to warrant routine (i.e. almost compulsory) circumcision in babies. It doesn't state that it would be detrimental necessarily. I have found personally good reasons for and against.

[Little-Pink-Hen]

I pro circ for my sons, my dh and I have our reasons
however I don't think it should be compulsory parents should have the choice
and I don't think it should illeagle either it's a religious practice amongst two major religions

[firsttimemumvmr]

I am pro-circ, and pro-vax, and believe all baby boys should be routinely circumsized and vaccinated, regardless of their parent's wishes.


:laughing::laughing: As if!!

As much as I believe there are important health benefits to both circing and vaxxing, no - they could never be, and should never be compulsory.

Since both vaccinations and female circumcision have also been mentioned, I will express my thoughts on these and why I feel different about male circ.

Basically, if a lot of people decide not to vaccinate their kids, this poses a higher risk in terms of the community, male circ doesn't affect anyone other than the male in question or perhaps future partners if we're to agree with the benefits for them in terms of lower risks of STDs. Now, female circumcision is far more invasive than the male procedure and whereas there is heated debate concerning sexual enjoyment by the circumcised male the evidence as to the effects on female enjoyment after her own circ are much more evident. So I would probably make vaccination compulsory and female circ illegal but leave male circ up to the parents.

[delirium]

I'm not pro RIC, I'm pro making my own decisions for my kids, and for us that meant we decided to circ.

As for compulsory circ, no way :no: Just as I think that it would be a nanny state to force, so is trying to make it illegal.

Parents need to make their own decisions, either way. I'm all for heaps of info, but forcing parents to circ or not circ won't work.

[bada]

Basically, with regard to the cleanliness issue, well, it seems that it is easier for bacteria, fungus etc to collect and breed under the foreskin and that washing alone might not be sufficient. It's a common misconception, here is some infohttp://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=241525


My main argument against is that maybe we ought to give our child the choice when he grows up, although then again, it'd be harder on him later on. I think you've got the right idea with letting him choose to do it, there is no rush. Here is some info about why getting it done younger isn't betterhttp://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=245680


What my understanding of the statement of the Medical Association is that there is insufficient evidence to warrant routine (i.e. almost compulsory) circumcision in babies. It doesn't state that it would be detrimental necessarily. The RACP state:
After extensive review of the literature the RACP does not recommend that routine circumcision in infancy be performed, but accepts that parents should be able to make this decision with their doctors. One reasonable option is for routine circumcision to be delayed until males are old enough to make an informed choice. link (http://www.racp.edu.au/index.cfm?objectid=A4268489-2A57-5487-DEF14F15791C4F22)


I pro circ for my sons, my dh and I have our reasons
however I don't think it should be compulsory parents should have the choice
and I don't think it should illeagle either it's a religious practice amongst two major religions Female circ is also done for religious reasons. I also thought male circ was not common place amongst jewish anymore.

[firstchild]

This was something i neve thought of doing....i was so against circumcision but today changed my view. i took my 26month old to the doctor because he has been complaining of sore down there turns out his foreskin is soo tight it cant even be pushed back.... doctor referred me to a specialist and suggested i do it right away otherwise it will affect him later on in life.
Although i hate the thought of it i dont want my son to suffer later on in life so im going to do it and its breaking my heart especially to see him go through that pain. i actually blamed myself i thought maybe i should have been pulling the forskin back when he was younger but i dont know if that was supposed to be done either.
I have been down all day about it
has anyone else been through the same thing??

[Looshkin]

What my understanding of the statement of the Medical Association is that there is insufficient evidence to warrant routine (i.e. almost compulsory) circumcision in babies. It doesn't state that it would be detrimental necessarily. I have found personally good reasons for and against.

If an organisation of doctors say that it is not recomended , and I think also they state the findings on multiple studies that no possible benefits outweigh the negative.

Each to their own :yes: yes! - let the person who has the penis make the decision on how it will be for the rest of their lives. They will live with their parents 'choice' for their entire life, urely it makes more sense to err on the side of cuation and allow them to decide themselves if there is even a small chance they would regret it? (and many testimonials from men do regret it)

It is not each to their own to make that decision for anyone else.

It is not a parents right.

It violates human rights.

It should be illegal exactly as female circumcision - FGM - is.

[BigRedV]

Well, we have to also bear in mind that public hospitals have limited funds and tend to be reluctant to engage in practices that they don't see as strictly necessary. .

that is the whole point of the anti-circ debate - UNNECESSARY!

[Cicho]

I'm not pro-circ or anti-circ, but NO, I don't think it should be illegal or mandatory.

There are 1000+ reasons why parents choose or don't choose to circ their sons

We are lucky enough to live in a democracy where we have the right to choose :yes: yes or no.

[bada]

There are 1000+ reasons why parents choose or don't choose to circ their sons

Really? From the pro-RIC side I've heard:
*sexual preference
*to look like someone else - dad, peers, other family members
*medical - to save him having it done it later life
*religious
*cultural
*cleanliness
*disease/infection prevention

From the anti-RIC side I've heard:
*RIC is a violation of human rights
*Benefits do not out weigh risks

What are the other 990+ reasons?

[HelenHasTwins]

i dont think it should be compulsery, or illegal... it should be 'each to their own', its upto each parent to judge what is best for their child.

thats all :p


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[MotherNurture]

Really? From the pro-RIC side I've heard:
*sexual preference
*to look like someone else - dad, peers, other family members
*medical - to save him having it done it later life
*religious
*cultural
*cleanliness
*disease/infection prevention

From the anti-RIC side I've heard:
*RIC is a violation of human rights
*Benefits do not out weigh risks

What are the other 990+ reasons?

Here's a few more to add to the anti-RIC side:
*Unnecessary pain/trauma
*Increased sensitization to future pain (ex. vaccinations)
*Long-term problems with tight erections.
*1% risk of requiring revision or "recircumcision".
*10% risk of Meatal Stenosis
*Surgical Risks
*Keratinization of the glans
*Loss of sensitivity
*Loss of 15 sq inches of erogenous skin
*Loss of 3-4 feet of blood vessels.
*Loss of 240 feet of nerves.
*Loss of 10's of thousands of specialized nerve endings.
*Loss of function (gliding mechanism)
*Damaged/reduced vascular function
*Loss of the preputial sphincter
*Severing of the frenulum (male g-spot)/frenular artery.
*Body Autonomy/Personal Choice
*Gender equality (It's a crime to cut a girl.)
*Origin of circumcision to control male sexuality through the prevention of masturbation.
*Cultural (80% of the world's males are intact.)
*Cosmetic (An unscarred penis is sexier.)

I'm sure I could think of more...