Do you support the death penalty?

[sockstealingpoltergeist]

Do you support the death penalty?

If you do why?

If you don't why not?

[Leisa21]

No I don't. The main reason is because I'd rather 10 guilty people spared than 1 innocent person sent to death. I will go into it more after dinner :yes:

[Mummaholic]

No, I never support it. I do not believe it stops crime and I also do not believe in the 'eye for an eye' mentality. How does this show people killing someone is wrong? In my opinion, it does not.

[Pax]

No I dont! I dont believe in the government putting anyone down (death)
but i do think you should hand the perpetrator over to the families of the victims and let them decide :yes:

[AwwDad]

eye for an eye tooth for a tooth i say. NOT!.

i am against it, i think its an archaic practice and should be done away with. there are countries out there that say they are civilised yet the still support the death penalty. i say there is nothing civil about sentencing someone to death. how ever i am happy to see them rot in a gaol cell for the rest of eternity if the crime is befitting.

[Nomsie]

No :no:

I was bought up to believe that an eye for an eye is not the way to live your life. It would be wrong of me to preach to the kids in the classroom that just because someone hits you it doesn't make it ok to hit them back if I supported the death penalty. That's hypocritical.

And I also believe in Karma. They may not get what is coming to them immediately, but I do believe it does all even out. Good things happen to good people, just as surely as *eventually* bad things happen to bad people.

[MothersMilk]

No i do not support the death penalty at all :no:

My reasons are that innocent people have been sentenced to death - and one innocent person killed is one too many.
I don't believe the eye in for an eye mentality.
I believe in life imprisonment for serious crimes - not death.

[Mathermy]

No, I do not. It makes me feel ill that there are civilised countries who still allow it. Beyond my comprehension :no:

[sockstealingpoltergeist]

No I dont! I dont believe in the government putting anyone down (death)
but i do think you should hand the perpetrator over to the families of the victims and let them decide :yes:

So you believe in the death penalty via individuals using vigilante justice?

[bAaM]

I said in certain circumstances.

The first things that pop to mind are things like the Port Auther massacre, or that poor baby that was killed and thrown on a public toilet roof, sept 11 and bali bombing, I believe all the ppl responcable for these things should be tortured to death. There animals that show no remorse or feeling.

I think certain things should have the death penalty as concequence. But would defenatly be a case to case thing.

[Mummaholic]

So you believe in the death penalty via individuals using vigilante justice?

*shudder* at vigilante justice.

[MsMummy]

God no.

the state shouldn't have the right to kill people.

And it's not even an effective deterrant. Look at America (or at least the states that have it). On that topic, it disgusts me that the US selectively preaches about other countries' human rights violations, but they kill their own citizens.:confused::thumbsdown:

[Pax]

So you believe in the death penalty via individuals using vigilante justice?

Put it this way:

If my baby was taken from my house while i was asleep. She was sodomised and vaginally raped... then stabbed to death..

there would be nothing in my way big enough to kill that person that did that.

I would make it my life's mission to do the same thing to them.

ABSO-FARKIN-LUTELY

[Ana Gram]

Absolutely not. It is not a deterrent to crime and there have been cases of innocent people being put to death for crimes they didn't commit.

[AwwDad]

No I dont! I dont believe in the government putting anyone down (death)
but i do think you should hand the perpetrator over to the families of the victims and let them decide :yes:


evil begets evil. if you hand a perpatrator over to a victims family you might as well sentance them to death via the judicial system.
yes there are some heinous crimals out there, killing them would really only give them waht they want - an audience.

baam

how is killing those shocking criminals and torturing them any better than what they did. what sort of an example is that?

[cluckcluckcluck]

When I read the title, I said to myself "yes, in cases of serial killers, serial rapists, serial child sex offenders etc"

But then reading some of the posts made me back away from that a little bit... particularly PP's point about innocent people being executed. It's pretty hard to be 110% sure of someone's guilt isn't it?

I'll put forward another idea though... I am for compulsory castration of serial child rapists.

That might make me seem like a monster, but I just can't not think that.

[MrsBeee]

I said in certain circumstances. I think if there's a serial killer or serial rapist, prison is not going to make any difference to them. they're not going to change their nature, they'll just be a burden on taxpayers until they die anyway. If they can be proven beyond ANY doubt (ie DNA testing etc) that they were the perpetrator, in say, 3 cases, then they should be sentenced to the death penalty.
TBH, if I myself was going to go to prison for 40 years, I'd probably prefer the death penalty for myself.

[AwwDad]

I'll put forward another idea though... I am for compulsory castration of serial child rapists.


that i think is fair call how ever all rapists should suffer that though chemical or surgical removal as it is humane and thats what its about really about.

on the other hand regarding selective death sentancing how can you ethically determine who should be put to death and who should not it's not reallt up to St. Peter to decide at the other end, what happens when some one makes a mistake and sentences an innocent person?

[bAaM]

baam

how is killing those shocking criminals and torturing them any better than what they did. what sort of an example is that?

If it was my family or even worse my child that was in one of those scenarios And it was 100% proven to be them, I would happily watch someone put a bullet though them Just so I know that no other inocent person/child would have to endure that animals crime.

[sam's mum]

I said no.

I don't believe it is right to kill.

As PP have said, better 10 guilty spared than 1 innocent killed.

the last person given the death penalty in Australia, Ronald Ryan, is believed to have been innocent.

[Pax]

evil begets evil. if you hand a perpatrator over to a victims family you might as well sentance them to death via the judicial system.
yes there are some heinous crimals out there, killing them would really only give them waht they want - an audience.

baam

how is killing those shocking criminals and torturing them any better than what they did. what sort of an example is that?

If your dog savaged your child what would you do?

[Nomsie]

TBH, if I myself was going to go to prison for 40 years, I'd probably prefer the death penalty for myself.

But then, isn't the point of jail to be a punishment for what you have done? To live life in misery, and hopefully repent? Being sentenced to death would therefore be giving you what you want- a reward, to put it bluntly.

If you killed x amount of people, and knew that instead of rotting in a prison somewhere, doing the same thing day in and day out, never getting to breathe fresh air again, never going to make love again, to walk freely again... you would WISH to die. Sentencing these people to death is like an early release from their sentence...? Isn't it?

[sam's mum]

Put it this way:

If my baby was taken from my house while i was asleep. She was sodomised and vaginally raped... then stabbed to death..

there would be nothing in my way big enough to kill that person that did that.

I would make it my life's mission to do the same thing to them.

ABSO-FARKIN-LUTELY

that person is someone's baby too.

[rainbow road]

Nope I don't support it at all. It's hypocritical, it's not effective and I don't believe anyone has the right to decide to end someone's life, however awful they are.

In cases of rape, murder etc I believe life imprisonment in solitary confinement is a suitable punishment, but none of this namby pamby let's let the crims watch TV, play Wii, play foosball etc. They should have to live with themselves literally, until they die, no rewards.

No good behaviour or early parole deals either. Life imprisonment should be for life!

[Nomsie]

If your dog savaged your child what would you do?
...dogs don't have the same ability to think like humans do- they don't know rationale, they cannot forsee consequences... it can't be compared... :no:

[AwwDad]

If your dog savaged your child what would you do?

i dont have a dog.

[Pax]

that person is someone's baby too.

No they are an adult..



...dogs don't have the same ability to think like humans do- they don't know rationale, they cannot forsee consequences... it can't be compared... :no:

What if you walked into your child's bedroom and an intruder was there raping your daughter what would you do?


i dont have a dog.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[bAaM]

Also just to make it clear.

That is just my views on it, I in no way look badly at ppl who disagree with me and I would hope that even if you dont agree with me you respect my views on it as i do anyone else.

Everyone has a different thought prosses and I automaticly think of the most horrid of things that involve my own children and it is just automatic to want them dead.

But as I said, it would be case to case, and you could say now that you either agree or disagree but unless a horrific crime happened to you or your loved ones I dont think anyone could know how they would feel toward the peron that did such crimes.

[AwwDad]

...dogs don't have the same ability to think like humans do- they don't know rationale, they cannot forsee consequences... it can't be compared... :no:
:iagree:

[sam's mum]

No they are an adult..
yes, but they have a family. a mother, a father, brothers and sisters. when does the vigilante justice end. If you kill him do they get to come after you and do the same to you?




What if you walked into your child's bedroom and an intruder was there raping your daughter what would you do?
I would get them off and away from my daughter and then I would be with my daughter. I can't speak for what my husband would be doing, but I still don't agree with using unreasonable force.



:rolleyes::rolleyes:
there is a big difference between putting down a dog that can't be trusted anymore and killing a human.

[AwwDad]

What if you walked into your child's bedroom and an intruder was there raping your daughter what would you do?


:rolleyes::rolleyes:


:rolleyes: detain them untill the constabulary arrive - let the judicial system decide what to do with them.

[Nomsie]

What if you walked into your child's bedroom and an intruder was there raping your daughter what would you do?

Truthfully, I really don't know. I like to think I would go up and probably attack him to get him off her (in fact I believe that would be instinct) and maybe chase him out of the house before I call police. (assuming no one else has already done it by that time) But I really can't predict what I would do in such a volitile situation...

I know for certain though that I am *very unlikely* to kill him.... (I cannot say that I wouldn't kill him, because again, I just don't know)

[rainbow road]

If that happened, I would severely injure them with a blunt object (break a leg, knock 'em out) and call the cops. If i killed them it would be accidental ie. whack their head too hard etc. Not intentionally ie. stab a knife in their heart.

[Pax]

:rolleyes: detain them untill the constabulary arrive - let the judicial system decide what to do with them.


yes, but they have a family. a mother, a father, brothers and sisters. when does the vigilante justice end. If you kill him do they get to come after you and do the same to you?






I would get them off and away from my daughter and then I would be with my daughter. I can't speak for what my husband would be doing, but I still don't agree with using unreasonable force.



there is a big difference between putting down a dog that can't be trusted anymore and killing a human.



:barf::barf:

Glad you two are not my parents!

I would kill them.. i would pick up the closest heaviest object and i bash them to a mushy mess on the carpet!!!!

end of story..

[jimmysmummy]

I voted yes, but I personally like the vigilante approach. Let them know the fear that their victims felt before their lives were violently taken away.

[jimmysmummy]

:barf::barf:

Glad you two are not my parents!

I would kill them.. i would pick up the closest heaviest object and i bash them to a mushy mess on the carpet!!!!

end of story..

Couldn't agree with you more, Morrigan.

The judicial system has nothing to do with justice- it just gives perpetrators a slap on the wrist.

[bronny-jane]

i picked in certain circumstances...
i dont think drug runners/mules should be put to death.. they are puppets.. tragic...

but for people who kill others, unless in self defense, i dont have an issue with it:no:.. i used to, i thought the death penalty was wrong, but the things some people do... has just ruined my faith in others

[sam's mum]

:barf::barf:

Glad you two are not my parents!

I would kill them.. i would pick up the closest heaviest object and i bash them to a mushy mess on the carpet!!!!

end of story..

I am glad that parents brought me up to be loving and forgiving.

My aim is to do the same for my children.

they don't take the law into their own hands in the playground, why would they do it later in life.

I certainly wouldn't want to have my parents in jail or fighting legal battles while I was struggling to cope with the issues that would result from some perp doing god knows what to me.

[bronny-jane]

I would kill them.. i would pick up the closest heaviest object and i bash them to a mushy mess on the carpet!!!!

end of story..

morrigan think of the mess..and no to mention the evidence... they gave us all some good tips on underbelly 2.. meat grinder:thumbsup:

[JabberJaw]

I voted yes also.

I am with Morrigan


I would kill them.. i would pick up the closest heaviest object and i bash them to a mushy mess on the carpet!!!!

end of story..

Simple, really.

Then i would claim "the voices made me do it"

[Tam-I-Am]

:barf::barf:

Glad you two are not my parents!

I would kill them.. i would pick up the closest heaviest object and i bash them to a mushy mess on the carpet!!!!

end of story..

Wow. So not only would your child have been traumatised by having been sexually assaulted - but by then having to witness an extreme act of violence (one would think that this particular method of killing somebody would be very messy, too - adding to the trauma). And then traumatised yet again by the very real likelihood of you being put through a criminal trial for killing somebody - self defence and self-defence of others only allows for REASONABLE force.

Also - do you not think that your views about abortion and about the death penalty fall a little into conflict with each other? If all human life is so sacred that one should never contemplate aborting it - how do your reconcile that with the idea that all criminals should be put to death? :confused: Seems awfully contradictory to me.

As for me - no I don't believe in the death penalty.

[Nomsie]

:barf::barf:

Glad you two are not my parents!

I would kill them.. i would pick up the closest heaviest object and i bash them to a mushy mess on the carpet!!!!

end of story..
And if the whole of Australia had that mentality, we would fall like dominoes. One revenge killing after another.

[AwwDad]

I am glad that parents brought me up to be loving and forgiving.

My aim is to do the same for my children.

they don't take the law into their own hands in the playground, why would they do it later in life.

I certainly wouldn't want to have my parents in jail or fighting legal battles while I was struggling to cope with the issues that would result from some perp doing god knows what to me.

:iagree: could not have said it better myslef.

[Aquamarine]

No I do not support the death penalty in any way!

[misskittyfantastico]

An eye for an eye just makes the whole world blind.

[AwwDad]

Wow. So not only would your child have been traumatised by having been sexually assaulted - but by then having to witness an extreme act of violence (one would think that this particular method of killing somebody would be very messy, too - adding to the trauma). And then traumatised yet again by the very real likelihood of you being put through a criminal trial for killing somebody - self defence and self-defence of others only allows for REASONABLE force.


:iagree: with this too, tam you took the words right out of my mouth

[sockstealingpoltergeist]

Wow. So not only would your child have been traumatised by having been sexually assaulted - but by then having to witness an extreme act of violence (one would think that this particular method of killing somebody would be very messy, too - adding to the trauma). And then traumatised yet again by the very real likelihood of you being put through a criminal trial for killing somebody - self defence and self-defence of others only allows for REASONABLE force.

Also - do you not think that your views about abortion and about the death penalty fall a little into conflict with each other? If all human life is so sacred that one should never contemplate aborting it - how do your reconcile that with the idea that all criminals should be put to death? :confused: Seems awfully contradictory to me.

As for me - no I don't believe in the death penalty.


:yes: I agree, I feel that same way. I was wondering about the highlighted question?

[Cudds]

No I don't. The death penalty has not been shown to be effective in the reduction of the homicide rate in the US and the cost of executing a person would be enough to pay for their permanent incarceration so I don't see any reason why it should be done.

It is also unfair as the poor, the mentally ill, minorities and men are all over represented on death row in the US.

Killing a murderer doesn't achieve anything. It doesn't bring the victim back. :no:

[Phyllis Stein]

No, I don't support capital punishment.

I'm FAK so I hope you'll forgive me for cutting and pasting my reasons from one of my previous posts, rather than typing them out again.

* It degrades, dehumanises, brutalises every person involved in murdering a fellow human - from those who pull the literal or figurative trigger, through to the witnesses, right up to the doctors who confirm death, those involved after death.

* It creates more trauma - the circle of victims is increased - parents, friends, partners, children, siblings, extended families and communities of the perpetrators/ victims are punished along with the perp/ victim.

* It will always involve self-deception and hypocrisy for a state and its citizens to support murder of some people, but not of others.

* Human status is inviolable. By devaluing the status of one human because of his or her actions, we devalue us all. We either have human rights or we don't - picking which humans get to enjoy them denies their value altogether.

* Death is final. It offers no hope of growth, of learning, of changing, of restorative justice, or real healing. If even the slimmest chance of a person turning their life around and using their experiences to make something better, then that is preferable to death for me. As a victim of crime, I can't imagine a more healing thing to know than that the perpetrator was reformed, was genuinely distraught by it, and and was using their life to prevent it from happening to others.

* Revenge is a downward spiral. It doesn't really make anyone feel any better, so they're left fantasizing ways of making the death more painful, the torture more prolonged. That is dehumanising and destructive to everyone who does it.

* Children growing up in a world where the state can legitimately murder its subjects are emotionally damaged. Empathy and compassion become empty tenets of religious belief, confined to church, but obviously not something to aspire to. This is no different to the effect of public hangings, witch burnings etc in the middle (aka, the 'Dark') ages.

* It negates the need for a penetrating investigation into why people do awful things, thus reducing the chance of genuine change from occuring. If the 'answer' to these events is "kill" or "torture", then no need to look any further into actually preventing such atrocities from happening. The human family requires some pretty serious introspection when its members feel the need to act in these ways. If we allow our primitive thirst for revenge to dominate, we will never use these events as the opportunities for betterment, for rectifying injustices that they could be.

* Because people do evil things but people are not evil. The 'Bali bomber' could be your child. They are someone's child.

So yes, the time-limited, innately superficial spiral of revenge just doesn't seem as overpowering to me when the above is considered.

[Opinionated]

I voted yes, in certain circumstances. In the days of DNA evidence and the like it is very very rare for an innocent person to be convicted. Further, the appeals process is very long and the burden of proof very high. Yes, in the US, innocent people have been convicted, but their system is very different to ours.

I think their is some crimes that if you commit, you forfeit your right to be treated as a human being.



there is a big difference between putting down a dog that can't be trusted anymore and killing a human.

Personally, I don't see the difference. Dogs bite because it is their nature, they are bred down from wild animals. People that commit heinous crimes should be put down too.

[Pax]

I am glad that parents brought me up to be loving and forgiving.

My aim is to do the same for my children.

they don't take the law into their own hands in the playground, why would they do it later in life.

I certainly wouldn't want to have my parents in jail or fighting legal battles while I was struggling to cope with the issues that would result from some perp doing god knows what to me.

playground fights dont come close to heinous crimes..

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[sam's mum]

Personally, I don't see the difference. Dogs bite because it is their nature, they are bred down from wild animals. People that commit heinous crimes should be put down too.

sorry, are you saying that we are bread from wild animals and do bad things because it is our nature, and therefore should be treated the same as dogs? :confused:

[sockstealingpoltergeist]

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I would not kill another person. If my own child was killed I would feel vengeful, luckily the law is there for a reason.

[Opinionated]

sorry, are you saying that we are bread from wild animals and do bad things because it is our nature, and therefore should be treated the same as dogs? :confused:

No I am saying that dogs a bred down from wild animals so at least have a reason for their violent behaviour. We are meant to be more civilised, yet our bad behaviour warrants lesser punishment despite us knowing better.

I don't know why humans think it is acceptable for a violent animal to be condemned to death but not a violent human. Why are we so special? Why are we the only member of the animal kingdom that deserves a second chance?

[bronny-jane]

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thats what my signature is about...
were being told that we should follow all rules, no matter how wrong they feel, and ignore your instinct..

and if we think otherwise we are wrong:rolleyes:

we have instincts for a reason.. to survive..

[MsMummy]

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Actually, it will be more fool you when you are dragged through the criminal justice system.

I don't understand the relationship between killing somebody and being a good parent.

[Pax]

:o did i cross the BH line?

[sam's mum]

No I am saying that dogs a bred down from wild animals so at least have a reason for their violent behaviour. We are meant to be more civilised, yet our bad behaviour warrants lesser punishment despite us knowing better.

I don't know why humans think it is acceptable for a violent animal to be condemned to death but not a violent human. Why are we so special? Why are we the only member of the animal kingdom that deserves a second chance?

sorry, now I get it.

we don't treat humans and dogs the same in any other way. people don't make sure that their dogs keep in contact with their dog parents. We don't consider the fact that we are breaking up brothers and sisters when we break up a litter.

humans and dogs aren't the same.

[Pax]

Actually, it will be more fool you when you are dragged through the criminal justice system.

I don't understand the relationship between killing somebody and being a good parent.


its about preserving our young.. its not about 'good parenting' in a perfect environment..

it is about the most disgusting heinous thing attacking your child and you actually think ...

i will just restrain them and call the cops?

that is denying ones own instinct! Its a lie or complete denial of ones own rights to exist! It goes against nature

[MsMummy]

No I am saying that dogs a bred down from wild animals so at least have a reason for their violent behaviour. We are meant to be more civilised, yet our bad behaviour warrants lesser punishment despite us knowing better.

I don't know why humans think it is acceptable for a violent animal to be condemned to death but not a violent human. Why are we so special? Why are we the only member of the animal kingdom that deserves a second chance?

I would go the other way with this reasoning, and say that I would prefer that dogs are retrained or allowed to live.

But, unfortunately, animals are deemed as property and can be dealt with accordingly. We accord humans a different set of rights.

[Looshkin]

Gonna have to agree with Awwdad agreeing with sams mum and Tam-I-am on this.

I think.. if you caught them in the act... only a morally deficient individual could actually go so far as to commit murder.:gloomy:

Inflict certain damage in impulsive anger, yes understandable, but kill someone, personally take their life away? No. :no:

And the fact that you would possibly end up in jail longer than the attacker seems less thoughtful for the well being of the child.. as well as the fact they know their parent killed someone.

That would be hard to morally reconcile and incredibly traumatic for anyone imo.

[Mathermy]

its about preserving our young.. its not about 'good parenting' in a perfect environment..

it is about the most disgusting heinous thing attacking your child and you actually think ...

i will just restrain them and call the cops?

that is denying ones own instinct! Its a lie or complete denial of ones own rights to exist! It goes against nature

Morri sometimes I get the human urge to go hump some spunky man on the street but I don't go and do it yanno? We have urges but we also have (at least most people do) common sense and the ability to control ourselves if we so desire. Not to mention the knowledge of right and wrong. Otherwise we would all be running around humping and killing things and otherwise behaving like animals.

[MsMummy]

its about preserving our young.. its not about 'good parenting' in a perfect environment..

it is about the most disgusting heinous thing attacking your child and you actually think ...

i will just restrain them and call the cops?

that is denying ones own instinct! Its a lie or complete denial of ones own rights to exist! It goes against nature

But repelling the offender would be sufficient to protect our young.

I understand how somebody could be so enraged that they would kill an offender, but I don't understand your reasoning that it's what should be done.

[2girls&1boy]

I voted in certain circumstances. As a previous poster mentioned about DNA and if it were without a doubt then yes if that person committed some of the absolutely disgusting inhumane crimes against innocent people I read about daily.

I also think that people are so darn frustrated with the judicial system and the fact that people get such stupidly lenient sentences.

I was reading somewhere recently(I cannot remember where) that the best way to knock someone off is to get blind drunk & hit them with a car. Not only will you be most likely be a free person in a short time - you get your licence(sp?) back as well.:no:

[Mummaholic]

Malol, you crack me up :laughing: I agree.

I also agree with Ms Mummy and Zeltronica.

[bronny-jane]

behaving like animals.

we are animals;)

[misskittyfantastico]

But repelling the offender would be sufficient to protect our young.

I understand how somebody could be so enraged that they would kill an offender, but I don't understand your reasoning that it's what should be done.

I agree. My urge to protect my children is pretty bl00dy strong, as strong as yours, Morri. I just couldn't throw my child aside in order to murder someone infront of their eyes. I'd want to, as MsMummy has said, repell them, then help my child.

[Mathermy]

we are animals;)

Speak for yourself :p

[AwwDad]

when the hypothetical question was asked about what you would to someone attacking your child no one has mentioned thier emotions in the situation only what they would do. i am on the side of restraining the perp but i can tell you know i know exactly how i would fell and what i would do to that person if there were no rules or consequences of my actions - restraint is what makes me a better person and puts me above that perp and their kind cause in my mind vigilantism is making you exactly what they are criminals and disgusting examples of the human race.

[bronny-jane]

Speak for yourself :p

hey im not the one rubbing up on strange men in the street;):laughing:

[Mathermy]

hey im not the one rubbing up on strange men in the street;):laughing:

I saaaaid I restrained myself!































just.

[bAaM]

:no:

I would not kill another person. If my own child was killed I would feel vengful, luckily the law is there for a reason.

See even though I believe in certain circumstances death penalty should be used I myself would never take it upon myself to kill another person at the risk of going to prison myself then having to drag my child through the crime that was comitted on them as well as losing a parent.

THAT is why i believe it should be used in cases where they are repeat or serial offenders and there is 100%proof that they where the perp (eg DNA and witneses)

[Whispers]

that person is someone's baby too.

Someone who could do such a thing couldn't possibly be human only a animal would do such a thing and animals when they bite need to be put down

[Queen]

In some circumstances yes.

[Ana Gram]

See, my parenting instinct is the one where I try and minimise the trauma already done, not inflicting more.

[sockstealingpoltergeist]

See, my parenting instinct is the one where I try and minimise the trauma already done, not inflicting more.:yes:

I can imagine the resentment my child would feel if I had to leave them for a gaol term, when I should be doing my best to ensure the damage was minimised.

I cannot understand how an one can support the death penalty.:no:

[AwwDad]

See, my parenting instinct is the one where I try and minimise the trauma already done, not inflicting more.

i agree. what good am i to my child if i'm sitting i cell because i vindicated the perp? none imo as they and the rest of the family are left to pick up the pieces with out me :thumbsdown:

[Pax]

Morri sometimes I get the human urge to go hump some spunky man on the street but I don't go and do it yanno? We have urges but we also have (at least most people do) common sense and the ability to control ourselves if we so desire. Not to mention the knowledge of right and wrong. Otherwise we would all be running around humping and killing things and otherwise behaving like animals.

In my head:

Right - it is right to defend ones self and family. It is right to defend one's society.. If that involves the death of a person that is a danger to society/family then they should die.

Wrong - killing someone that is not a direct threat to myself/family or who has not committed a heinous crime against my family.


But repelling the offender would be sufficient to protect our young.

I understand how somebody could be so enraged that they would kill an offender, but I don't understand your reasoning that it's what should be done.



See, my parenting instinct is the one where I try and minimise the trauma already done, not inflicting more.


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I can imagine the resentment my child would feel if I had to leave them for a gaol term, when I should be doing my best to ensure the damage was minimised.

I cannot understand how an one can support the death penalty.:no:

Well while you guys are busy contemplating the consequences of your actions ... I will be busy bashing their heads in for ya okay? :D

just call 666 Morri if you need me



we are animals;)

according to the majority of this forum when I asked the same question! :rolleyes: But apparently when it suits them we have to actually be enlightened too.

enlightened animals.. Like i said once before - being an Elephant would be ideal.:smiliedance:

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being an Elephant would be ideal.:smiliedance:

NO WAY arnt they pregnent for like 2 years (need fainting icon)

I will pass on being an elephant :laughing:

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NO WAY arnt they pregnent for like 2 years (need fainting icon)

I will pass on being an elephant :laughing:

:gloomy: yeah.. thats the downside LOL but when they baby is born it can walk :D and has lots of aunties to help