The right to discuss our opinions?

[Whispers]

Just wandering who else would be like to see a debating section on this site?? , a place where controversial topics can be discussed I mean we are all adults here, why shouldn't we be allowed to discuss what we think, people who may be offended by the topic don't have to come in I really don't see the problem :confused:

[Mrs Nietzsche]

Unfortunately it is almost 100% guaranteed that any emotive or contraversial topic will become heated and people will start putting each other down. It is really annoying when mods close a thread but at the same time I appreciate it.

[lochiebearsmum]

i think people already debate and put forward their opinions on their beliefs already... i dont think their should be a seperate section for it.. everyone should feel free to state their opinion in whichever thread they choose

[studyingECS]

Debate's turn into slinging matches when they aren't moderated. Not pleasant to read or be apart of IMO.

[Teley]

i think people already debate and put forward their opinions on their beliefs already... i dont think their should be a seperate section for it.. everyone should feel free to state their opinion in whichever thread they choose

I know I strongly believe this too. Unfortunately this is often not the case. Especially with *certain* topics on the hub.

[Whispers]

i think people already debate and put forward their opinions on their beliefs already... i dont think their should be a seperate section for it.. everyone should feel free to state their opinion in whichever thread they choose
I believe that to but often they are closed due to people being upset with what there reading. Wouldn't we be better off having a section separate from the the normal sections to allow people who don't want to be involved to stay out.

[~Candy~]

Unfortunately it is almost 100% guaranteed that any emotive or contraversial topic will become heated and people will start putting each other down. It is really annoying when mods close a thread but at the same time I appreciate it.


i think people already debate and put forward their opinions on their beliefs already... i dont think their should be a seperate section for it.. everyone should feel free to state their opinion in whichever thread they choose


Debate's turn into slinging matches when they aren't moderated. Not pleasant to read or be apart of IMO.

:iagree:

[Whispers]

Debate's turn into slinging matches when they aren't moderated. Not pleasant to read or be apart of IMO.

So wouldn't it be better to have a section were you can choose to stay out of so others may have there say ???????

[Phyllis Stein]

I'd like it in theory, but in reality, many people don't know *how* to debate constructively.

IMO, JMO etc.

[Ana Gram]

The majority are not capable of turning their feelings off and cannot "debate" without emotive language, especially with topics considered taboo. I don't think it is doable.

[Looshkin]

Absolutely agree with phyllis.

It is fine to have apposing points of view - that's how we evolve, learn and grow and meditate on and consider our own opinions subjectively.

But when someone asks a logical question, based in fact and the riposte is purely emotively based and heavy with emotive language, to me takes away from the validity of their argument.

[~Temet Nosce~]

That was already done.. it didn't go down well :rolleyes: and the section was deleted.

[Pax]

I would say yes if people were able to debate with one another without resorting to insults.

as far as i can see it, if you have hit the point where you have to personally insult someone you have lost the argument !

if you can keep up without insulting then yes absolutely it would be a wonderful thing to have

unfortunately too many people take things too personally. and cannot argue objectively.

wouldnt work on a parenting forum and it wouldnt work without moderating.

if a dedicated moderator was on hand to delete insults then it might be a worthy thing to read.

nothing worse than reading 12 pages of the majority kicking the cyber bejesus out of the minority.

[studyingECS]

So wouldn't it be better to have a section were you can choose to stay out of so others may have there say ???????

No I don't think it would. You can have debates on BH anyway without it needing it's own section. Not all debates get closed, if people learnt not to "personally" attack others while debating there would be no need to close threads.

[~Candy~]

Not everyone is on the same wave length, not everyone is perfectly educated...everyone has the right to have their say reguardless of how it's said.
Why not say..."lets have a place for those 'educated' enough to debate" ! :rolleyes:

[GeorgiaAnne]

if people learnt not to "personally" attack others while debating there would be no need to close threads.
That's it. :iagree:
I'm sure people type things they wouldn't say to someone's face.

[GeorgiaAnne]

Not everyone is on the same wave length, not everyone is perfectly educated...everyone has the right to have their say reguardless of how it's said.
Why not say..."lets have a place for those 'educated' enough to debate" ! :rolleyes:
Isn't that how you educate yourself though, from learning and debating with those smarter than yourself?
I have learned a lot from many women here, without necessarily taking part. Read posts, maybe I agree or disagree, and it helps to form my own opinion.

[Nowhere]

If we ALL could act in a mature resonsible way then yes I think it would a good idea, However as anyone can tell when reading back posts here on the hub, There is very little proof that we can all act like adults, and Many of the threads go from debates to slanging matches, then the snide coments seem to seep into other threads

Im not pointing this at any one or anyside inparticular as I think must of us are guilty of being katty at times, I dont think I could name person that has never been snide to another member in one of the heated topics, Actualy I can think of One that is Kate Studying ECS and funnily enough she actualy a school girl the rest of us arent lol


So yer would be great if all could play nice, perhaps if there was a section for debate that you had to earn the right to enter, so that you could have seriuos debates as apose to arguements.

[~Temet Nosce~]

Did anyone even see my post lol :confused:

[Whispers]

No I don't think it would. You can have debates on BH anyway without it needing it's own section. Not all debates get closed, if people learnt not to "personally" attack others while debating there would be no need to close threads.

But I don't think that is it. You see on a topic like abortion for instance a pro-life may conceive abortion as murder where as pro-choice may conceive those that are pro-life as anti-women.

People then become upset that the term murder or anti-women is thrown around because that's not there belief and in turn the thread is closed because people are upset.

I personally believe that if you are going to be upset by one side of a debate or by what others views may be you shouldn't have entered that debate to start off with.

[Looshkin]

Not everyone is on the same wave length, not everyone is perfectly educated...everyone has the right to have their say reguardless of how it's said.
Why not say..."lets have a place for those 'educated' enough to debate" ! :rolleyes:

I know you are being sarcastic or tongue in cheek there (rolly eye smilie)

But isn't that edcuation a part of bubhub?

I know I have learned a great deal from reading others opinions on parenting, as someone that has yet to have children and has no experience or education in that area.
I think there is a wealth of knowledge and experience on bubhub.
Learning and education does not have to be conventional reading, memorising and regurgitating information, it can also be through discussion with our peers.

[Looshkin]

Did anyone even see my post lol :confused:


I did
So there was a time that there was a section purely for debate, or just for certain topics, as there is the pro and non areas currently?

[studyingECS]

But I don't think that is it. You see on a topic like abortion for instance a pro-life may conceive abortion as murder where as pro-choice may conceive those that are pro-life as anti-women.

People then become upset that the term murder or anti-women is thrown around because that's not there belief and in turn the thread is closed because people are upset.

I personally believe that if you are going to be upset by one side of a debate or by what others views may be you shouldn't have entered that debate to start off with.


The only debate I have seen you be involved in MB is the topic of abortion, so is it that you want a debate section for everyone to debate in on topics of their choice? or for you to be able to fully voice your opinion of abortion without fear of being infracted/banned?

I don't think you want the section for everyone..but for you to be able to freely voice your opinion on abortion without being moderated.


-And Amy thank you ~hug~

[~Temet Nosce~]

For memory it was purely for debates yes, not on any particular subject. I didn't really participate in it but watched it go down like a lead balloon lol. It was a trial.

Doesn't anyone else remember that? :confused: or did I imagine it :laughing:

[IndigoJ]

I personally believe that if you are going to be upset by one side of a debate or by what others views may be you shouldn't have entered that debate to start off with.

Lots of things "upset" me so which areas would i be allowed to "enter"??? I think that saying to somebody "if you dont like what other people say dont look at the thread" isnt practical, because that is what a debate is, reading other peoples opinions and "arguements" without actually agreeing with them.

I chose yes but now that i think about it, if people cant be nice to each other in a moderated thread, which direction would the topic take if it wasnt moderated. I wouls like to have chosen NO.

[Looshkin]

You're totally right Indigo Jackiah.
The thought of an un-moderated bubhub is ..not very nice.

Amethyst, I would have thought it wouldn't go down well. I think debate should be freely incorporated into general chat.
In essence, we debate about everything on here, and again I just think that's how we learn new stuff or get a different perspective than outisde our immediate opinion or social circle, and I mean on all topics kwim? I just think it's a good thing to challenge what you think 'right now'

I know when I was younger I believed a whole lotta crap (and not saying young people have silly opinions, just that over time and over experiences many of mine have changed)

[~Temet Nosce~]

See the problem is it never ends up being one person trying to educate another on a different view. It ends up being a case of "I'm right, you're wrong" and just turns into everyone trying to change a persons opinion because they see it as wrong.
Every. Single. Time.

[Whispers]

The only debate I have seen you be involved in MB is the topic of abortion, so is it that you want a debate section for everyone to debate in on topics of their choice? or for you to be able to fully voice your opinion of abortion without fear of being infracted/banned?

I don't think you want the section for everyone..but for you to be able to freely voice your opinion on abortion without being moderated.


-And Amy thank you ~hug~

I didn't ask for no moderation just a place to debate to voice our opinions without fear of being banned to do so :confused:.

And if you must know abortion isn't the only thread I have been involved in that I have debated I have been involved in immunization threads ,circumcision threads, breastfeeding vs bottle feeding, abortion happens to be that last one. However abortion seems to be a topic we are not allowed to discuss fully. So don't accuse me of thinking things when you obviously don't know what that is .

[IndigoJ]

I didn't ask for no moderation just a place to debate to voice our opinions without fear of being banned to do so :confused:.

And if you must know abortion isn't the only thread I have been involved in that I have debated I have been involved in immunization threads ,circumcision threads, breastfeeding vs bottle feeding, abortion happens to be that last one. However abortion seems to be a topic we are not allowed to discuss fully. So don't accuse me of thinking things when you obviously don't know what that is .

Why would you be banned for voicing your opinion:confused::confused: unless it was in such a way that breask the rules of Bubhub, ie. No rude sarcastic or demeaning posts.

And the topic of abortion was being discussed fully in the last thread, why do you think it wasnt?? It was starting to move in such a way that it threatened to break the guidelines Bubhub has set, that is why the Mods have closed it, to "Clean" the thread of comments that are not supposed to be posted.

[studyingECS]

I didn't ask for no moderation just a place to debate to voice our opinions without fear of being banned to do so :confused:.

And if you must know abortion isn't the only thread I have been involved in that I have debated I have been involved in immunization threads ,circumcision threads, breastfeeding vs bottle feeding, abortion happens to be that last one. However abortion seems to be a topic we are not allowed to discuss fully. So don't accuse me of thinking things when you obviously don't know what that is .

But "without fear of being banned" basically means no moderation because mods do not just banned people without the proper grounds to do so, if you have broken many BH rules you will get banned. If you are able to post without breaking them you shouldn't fear being banned should you?

My apologies for not seeing the other debates MB, the only reason I remember the abortion debates was because you took it upon yourself to make numerous threads afterwards stating your opinion over and over after your previous threads were deleted.

[Looshkin]

See the problem is it never ends up being one person trying to educate another on a different view. It ends up being a case of "I'm right, you're wrong" and just turns into everyone trying to change a persons opinion because they see it as wrong.
Every. Single. Time.

Yeah you're right.
But in some debates I've read and not participated in (parenting stuff I have no freakin idea on and so no opinion, well I do, but no practice and nothing to base it on..) I've read silently on loads and learned heaps, had different thoughts analyzed and reasons and stuff given, whole threads of different peoples thought processes.

So I do wonder if it makes someone out there think, and I reckon (as long as personal insults are left out of it) and maybe its thought provoking for some people out there it's worth it.:thumbsup:

Well lots of the parenting and birth choices and etc and etcthreads have been worth it for me.:o

[studyingECS]

Well lots of the parenting and birth choices and etc and etcthreads have been worth it for me.:o


I'm the same Zel.

Many proper debates don't actually say "I am right, you are wrong" but instead members post there information/statistics or what ever it may be so other members can read it and form there own opinion. They are the type of debates I like.:yes:

[Phyllis Stein]

Not everyone is on the same wave length, not everyone is perfectly educated...everyone has the right to have their say reguardless of how it's said.
Why not say..."lets have a place for those 'educated' enough to debate" ! :rolleyes:

It doesn't take education to be able to debate constructively, though it helps.


But I don't think that is it. You see on a topic like abortion for instance a pro-life may conceive abortion as murder where as pro-choice may conceive those that are pro-life as anti-women.

People then become upset that the term murder or anti-women is thrown around because that's not there belief and in turn the thread is closed because people are upset.

I personally believe that if you are going to be upset by one side of a debate or by what others views may be you shouldn't have entered that debate to start off with.

Debating doesn't mean you get to say whatever you feel without being held accountable for it. Using the word 'murder' in an abortion debate is inflammatory and emotive, something that is not conducive to a respectful, inclusive discussion.


For memory it was purely for debates yes, not on any particular subject. I didn't really participate in it but watched it go down like a lead balloon lol. It was a trial.

Doesn't anyone else remember that? :confused: or did I imagine it :laughing:

I remember it. I think there was confusion over how to use the area properly, plus from memory, it appeared straight after a particularly vigorous round of discussion and people were just not in the mood to get involved.


See the problem is it never ends up being one person trying to educate another on a different view. It ends up being a case of "I'm right, you're wrong" and just turns into everyone trying to change a persons opinion because they see it as wrong.
Every. Single. Time.

That's what debating is all about. :) I *believe* A, you *believe* B. Now we discuss why we believe our perspective is correct and yours is not, and in so doing, use the other party's arguments to broaden, deepen, strengthen, challenge and revise our own. Some people's views can seem rigid, but that's just because they've been debating these issues for a long time.

[justmum]

Not everyone is on the same wave length, not everyone is perfectly educated...everyone has the right to have their say reguardless of how it's said.
Why not say..."lets have a place for those 'educated' enough to debate" ! :rolleyes:

I could not disagree more. It isn't about being "smarter" it's about being polite.

Threads get closed because members can't discuss topics within the rules not because of the topic under debate (except in limited circumstances such as where the topic is subject to legal proceedings, the comments are defamatory or the topic has been discussed already and not ended well).

Anything can be debated at BH. However there are rules and this is a moderated site. Stick to the rules and the threads stay open. If people want to debate things on an unmoderated site, there are plenty of other forums to do that at.

Members do not have the right to their say regardless of how it is said. They have the right to their say so long as it is said in a way that complies with the rules. There isn't anything fancy or educated about that.

[Teley]

Debating doesn't mean you get to say whatever you feel without being held accountable for it. Using the word 'murder' in an abortion debate is inflammatory and emotive, something that is not conducive to a respectful, inclusive discussion.

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I'm sorry PS but there is nothing wrong with using the word 'murder' in an abortion debate, although I tend to stay clear of it so as to try not to hurt the feelings of those that have had abortions. But there are no two ways around it - the pro-life position, shared by many on bh btw a lot who are afraid due to being closed and banned to post about it, states clearly that making a human life die is in fact killing it. Which makes quite logical sense. I'm not sure why we get banned and censored just because we are trying to defend the unborn.

[beebs]

So don't accuse me of thinking things when you obviously don't know what that is .

You just proved the point of everyone who said things like threads turning into slanging matches and most of us not being able to debate emotive subjects without going for the jugular .....

So no - I don't think its a good idea at all.:no:

[Teley]

You just proved the point of everyone who said things like threads turning into slanging matches and most of us not being able to debate emotive subjects without going for the jugular .....

So no - I don't think its a good idea at all.:no:

:confused: How?

[studyingECS]

I'm not sure why we get banned and censored just because we are trying to defend the unborn.

You do not get banned for no reason,do not act as if you are being unfairly treated, if you break rules you will get banned, it's not that hard to understand.:no:

You aren't getting banned because people disagree with your opinion but most likely because of the wording and what you actually say that offends others.

[beebs]

:confused: How?

Nope sorry - you are right - I took that the wrong way -and now I'm confused.

I still think it is a very bad idea though..

[Teley]

You do not get banned for no reason,do not act as if you are being unfairly treated, if you break rules you will get banned, it's not that hard to understand.:no:

You aren't getting banned because people disagree with your opinion but most likely because of the wording and what you actually say.

Unfortunately I cannot talk about this anymore as I'm not sure whether it would be according to BH rules.


Nope sorry - you are right - I took that the wrong way -and now I'm confused.

I still think it is a very bad idea though..

That's okay, I misread things all the time:laughing:. Then I have to go back and apologise to infuriated people for misreading it and taking it the wrong way:o.

[IndigoJ]

Unfortunately I cannot talk about this anymore as I'm not sure whether it would be according to BH rules.
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http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?%20p=1701761#post1701761

Here you go this should help :)

[justmum]

I'm sorry PS but there is nothing wrong with using the word 'murder' in an abortion debate, although I tend to stay clear of it so as to try not to hurt the feelings of those that have had abortions. But there are no two ways around it - the pro-life position, shared by many on bh btw a lot who are afraid due to being closed and banned to post about it, states clearly that making a human life die is in fact killing it. Which makes quite logical sense. I'm not sure why we get banned and censored just because we are trying to defend the unborn.

Murder is a legal term and aborting foetuses does not fall within the definition of that term. So using it is incorrect and emotive.


You do not get banned for no reason,do not act as if you are being unfairly treated, if you break rules you will get banned, it's not that hard to understand.:no:

You aren't getting banned because people disagree with your opinion but most likely because of the wording and what you actually say that offends others.

You are one smart cookie Kate :yelclap: You've hit it on the head.

If people on one side of any debate on here really tthink they are getting infracted and banned because of their opinion (rather than how they express it) then they are being dishonest with themselves.

[Fuchsia!]

my only advice is if yoy can't hack the rules here then start your own forum up or join one that isn't moderated.

If you can't follow the rules then you will be banned or infracted. It isn't rocket science. Obviously if you are getting infracted or banned then you aren't following the rules.

A debate section wouldn't work. What more could you say anyway? They aren't going to allow you to call each other names and be over the top so theres no point to it.

Unmoderated forums can get really really ugly. None the less fun though :D so perhaps if you don't like the censorship here you need to find a new home.

[jaq]

OP, would it surprise you to know that many of the mods LOVE a good debate that shares information and perspectives and is robust and long lasting? As far as I'm concerned, that's what BH is all about.

And as many wise heads have said, all you have to do is follow the rules, and you can debate whatever you like, whereever you like.

It's all in HOW you debate.

Banning, except in very rare cases, isn't a magic wand that gets waved when you break the rules.

You get a warning, a point, another point, maybe a 3-pointer ... you have to break the rules A LOT to get banned.

[Teley]

Murder is a legal term and aborting foetuses does not fall within the definition of that term. So using it is incorrect and emotive.



True, I didn't think of it that way. Just had a quick peak at my dictionary. Then killing is a better description:).

[justmum]

True, I didn't think of it that way. Just had a quick peak at my dictionary. Then killing is a better description:).

Perhaps.

In the same way piercing a small child's ears is mutilation?

[munchie]

True, I didn't think of it that way. Just had a quick peak at my dictionary. Then killing is a better description:).

You are not killing anything but taking away some tissue and cells that potentially turn into a human life.

[Teley]

:devil6:
Perhaps.

In the same way piercing a small child's ears is mutilation?

Are you trying to infuriate the fairy?:mad: Lol.

Be careful, I might sprinkle my evil black dust on you and make you sneeze:babydust2:!:shame::devil6:

[Mrs Nietzsche]

earpiercing fairy - this isn't an abortion thread. If this is an issue so important to you, join a protest party. Or fight for rights for single parents, as discussed.

[reAllytee]

I think half the replies here have been great but as a few have said too some replies show exactly why one never works ...

Amethyst - I remember it .... :laughing::geek::doh::hissy:

[Teley]

You are not killing anything but taking away some tissue and cells that potentially turn into a human life.

I would be more than happy to debate you with my perspective on this, however I'm not sure if this is the right thread?

The reason I mentioned killing is it is impossible to argue a pro-life argument without mentioning that word, hence relating to the OP. But I am not sure whether it's a good idea to derail the thread off the topic.

[jaq]

earpiercing fairy - this isn't an abortion thread. If this is an issue so important to you, join a protest party. Or fight for rights for single parents, as discussed.

........... Or the off-topic fairy will come and sprinkle her magic pink dust and make your post disappear :D

[misskittyfantastico]

Kate, I love your work. You are right on the money. I don't believe the OP wants a "debate" section, I think it's more a "I wanna be able to call women who've had an abortion dirty, filthy murderers and not get in twubble". Really not in line with numero uno Bubhub rule "messages must be polite and friendly". How would all the pro circ parents and pro ear piercing parents feel if such emotive and inflammatory words were thrown around about them? A little miffed, I reckon.

[munchie]

I would be more than happy to debate you with my perspective on this, however I'm not sure if this is the right thread?

The reason I mentioned killing is it is impossible to argue a pro-life argument without mentioning that word, hence relating to the OP. But I am not sure whether it's a good idea to derail the thread off the topic.

No thats ok, hence why I stay out but just wanted to set the record straight re murder/killing. If you can't find the right words to use pherhaps you have no arguement at all.
Anyhoo back to topic......

[Teley]

Or the off-topic fairy will come and sprinkle her magic pink dust and make your post disappear :D

No unfortunately only you ladies in pink can do that:crying:. But I am secretly working on a potion in Fairyland to break through that charm and be able to wreck havoc:devil6: (jks of course).

[Teley]

Kate, I love your work. You are right on the money. I don't believe the OP wants a "debate" section, I think it's more a "I wanna be able to call women who've had an abortion dirty, filthy murderers and not get in twubble". Really not in line with numero uno Bubhub rule "messages must be polite and friendly". How would all the pro circ parents and pro ear piercing parents feel if such emotive and inflammatory words were thrown around about them? A little miffed, I reckon.

Where did the OP mention that?


No thats ok, hence why I stay out but just wanted to set the record straight re murder/killing. If you can't find the right words to use pherhaps you have no arguement at all.
Anyhoo back to topic......

Not the right words? Or not the words you want to hear? I believe we have a very strong argument, I will gladly debate you in another thread.

[Looshkin]

Murder is a legal term and aborting foetuses does not fall within the definition of that term. So using it is incorrect and emotive.



You are one smart cookie Kate :yelclap: You've hit it on the head.

If people on one side of any debate on here really tthink they are getting infracted and banned because of their opinion (rather than how they express it) then they are being dishonest with themselves.

I absolutely agree.:D I wish I was that insightful at 17, unfortunately I think I was a bit naive and foolish in

Justmum is very right on terminoogy too,
Once you start putting it that way, by definition you go into very dangerous territory in regards to legal terms and consequences, and the consequences can be dire - like a woman being convicted of murder for eating the wrong food and miscarrying (accidental murder is still manslaughter remember) Same circumstance for refering to an unborn fetus as a child.
It's not about 'hurting feelings' - take emotion out of it. It's about what your words are suggesting!

But I do feel strongly over constructive discussion, as I have plenty of time for others peoples opinions and to discuss them. I am not personally offended by terms I don't find accurate descriptions but I don't understand the need to have a 'safe space' as I think there is 100% freedom of speech at bubhub, as long as the rules are upheld. To need to break the rules to get your opinion across tells me you need to re -evaluate your methods.

I also simply do not understand earpeircingfairy referring to 'many' bubhub users that feel the exact same way but are 'afraid' of stating their point of view.
I like to hear everyones opinion, I don't want to live in a sheltered box where everyone agrees with what I think:yes:
But I do wonder why they are afraid of posting their opinion on a website?:confused:

[justmum]

:devil6:

Are you trying to infuriate the fairy?:mad: Lol.

Be careful, I might sprinkle my evil black dust on you and make you sneeze:babydust2:!:shame::devil6:

I never try and infuriate anyone :angel:

I am using emotive language to describe something that you believe strongly in to illustrate the pro-choice side of the abortion debate for you - you don't like being called a mutilator; pro-choicers don't like being called murderers or killers.

Emotive language clouds good debate.

[beebs]

........... Or the off-topic fairy will come and sprinkle her magic pink dust and make your post disappear :D

:laughing::laughing::yelclap::yelclap::yelclap:

[justmum]

........... Or the off-topic fairy will come and sprinkle her magic pink dust and make your post disappear :D


:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::yelclap:

[misskittyfantastico]

Where did the OP mention that?

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I used my thinky thing and joined the dots.

[Teley]

I never try and infuriate anyone :angel:

I am using emotive language to describe something that you believe strongly in to illustrate the pro-choice side of the abortion debate for you - you don't like being called a mutilator; pro-choicers don't like being called murderers or killers.

Emotive language clouds good debate.

:confused:But I can actually understand where anti-child piercers (is that the right term) get the term mutilation from, in their eyes it is:confused:. I do not get offended. I do however applaud anyone who mentions having pierced their child's ears in those threads:footinmouth:, because that is MY position. But I do not hate the other position.

[sockstealingpoltergeist]

Kate, I love your work. You are right on the money. I don't believe the OP wants a "debate" section, I think it's more a "I wanna be able to call women who've had an abortion dirty, filthy murderers and not get in twubble". Really not in line with numero uno Bubhub rule "messages must be polite and friendly". How would all the pro circ parents and pro ear piercing parents feel if such emotive and inflammatory words were thrown around about them? A little miffed, I reckon.
:iagree:

[studyingECS]

I used my thinky thing and joined the dots.

Yes, same here.

The OP obviously never "said" that but I thought her motives for wanting the debate section were as clear as day.

[Teley]

I used my thinky thing and joined the dots.

Could it be that you didn't read the numbers next to the dots properly and joined the dots wrong?

[sockstealingpoltergeist]

Could it be that you didn't read the numbers next to the dots properly and joined the dots wrong?
Nope I've never seen TR do that she is very exact with the joining of the dots thingamagigities.:yes:

[Teley]

Nope I've never seen TR do that she is very exact with the joining of the dots thingamagigities.:yes:

Okay. Well I see you are all accusing MB of doing something only she knows whether she did or not. Very mature and nice, all I can say.

[Poppetfish]

I think instead of a debate section we should have 2 abortion sections. One for pro-lifers and one for pro-choicers. People can talk their little hearts out about how they feel and nobody will get upset. The same as the circumcision area.:)

[Teley]

I think instead of a debate section we should have 2 abortion sections. One for pro-lifers and one for pro-choicers. People can talk their little hearts out about how they feel and nobody will get upset. The same as the circumcision area.:)

:iagree:. That way nobody will get upset. And a debating section that CAN be moderated in the middle. I think that would be a good idea:).

[justmum]

:confused:But I can actually understand where anti-child piercers (is that the right term) get the term mutilation from, in their eyes it is:confused:. I do not get offended. I do however applaud anyone who mentions having pierced their child's ears in those threads:footinmouth:, because that is MY position. But I do not hate the other position.

Well yes certainly that's why they call it mutilation, it's because that is how many anti-piercers think and feel about piercing the ears of a child.

Of course you don't understand it because it isn't how you think or feel - you don't see it as mutilation so to you it isn't.

I am sure you don't hate the anti-piercers but you probably don't like being called a mutilator. Even if it doesn't really bother you, it does bother many who have pierced their children's ears and it is why we can't use the term on here.

It is really the same argument in the aborion threads or whatever other topic of debate you want to get into on here.

Emotive terms have no place in good debate. And they are exactly why a debate section doesn't work on BH. We can't help getting all emotional and personal about it.

[V8]

I think a lot of members need to read the rules that you agreed to by joining the bubhub forum. We need to set guidelines to protect our members and to ensure we have a friendly, supportive site for all to enjoy, so please take time to read them again. In particular the points below me:



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We do read every message that is posted on the forum, however, to ensure the fluidity of the message board, posts are placed live without being reviewed. We ask you, therefore, to observe the rules and if you spot any other members breaching the rules - or placing messages that you don't feel are appropriate - please let us know and we'll take steps to remove any messages that we feel offend and to warn those concerned

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Vee

[Mum&bubs]

The only debate I have seen you be involved in MB is the topic of abortion, so is it that you want a debate section for everyone to debate in on topics of their choice? or for you to be able to fully voice your opinion of abortion without fear of being infracted/banned?

I don't think you want the section for everyone..but for you to be able to freely voice your opinion on abortion without being moderated.


-And Amy thank you ~hug~






Kate, I love your work. You are right on the money. I don't believe the OP wants a "debate" section, I think it's more a "I wanna be able to call women who've had an abortion dirty, filthy murderers and not get in twubble". Really not in line with numero uno Bubhub rule "messages must be polite and friendly". How would all the pro circ parents and pro ear piercing parents feel if such emotive and inflammatory words were thrown around about them? A little miffed, I reckon.


Excuse me girls, but MB is not the first person I have seen make a thread like this asking for a debate section, and Kate I have seen her in many other debate threads not just abortion. I think it's pretty mean you single her out like this and accuse her of wanting to attack people without being banned :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Anyways I would like to see a debate section, I probably wouldn't join in because I get angry easily but I would like to read it :yes:

[Whispers]

Yes, same here.

The OP obviously never "said" that but I thought her motives for wanting the debate section were as clear as day.


Well lets just say that your thinking caps arnt quite up to scratch.

Yes I started this after a abortion thread, but no i didn't start it to accuse people who have abortions as filthy so and so's.

I asked for a section separate to the general chat bit for people to discuss controversial topics so people who didn't wanna get involved in the debate didn't have to and know that things in there may upset them. I don't recall calling anyone names and i don't recall asking for a section to break the rules .if you attack someone im all for the mods to step in and I don't actually remember attacking anyone.

Yes I would probably be in the abortion topic more if there was one because that's something I'm passionate about, But then again there may be someone so passionate about bf that they would spend most there time debating in that section as with the other controversial topic's.

I don't need others to explain my motives for me.

[studyingECS]

The only debate I have seen you be involved in MB is the topic of abortion, so is it that you want a debate section for everyone to debate in on topics of their choice? or for you to be able to fully voice your opinion of abortion without fear of being infracted/banned?

I don't think you want the section for everyone..but for you to be able to freely voice your opinion on abortion without being moderated.




^

I never said she wanted to "attack" anyone Krissy:no:. I said she wanted to fully voice her opinion, Two different things.

And apologies for not knowing you were in any other debates MB.

[Mum&bubs]

Nah, was just letting you know I've seen her in other debate threads and I don't think she purely wants this sections just for abortion threads.

My post was mainly aimed at the other post I quoted.

[Whispers]

^

I never said she wanted to "attack" anyone Krissy:no:. I said she wanted to fully voice her opinion, Two different things.

And apologies for not knowing you were in any other debates MB.

Maybe she just joined the dot to dot thing like others and figured it out:rolleyes:.

[Mum&bubs]

Should it matter which debates you are in anyways? :confused: I often see certain people involved in the breastfeeding debates, because that is what they are passionate about... but not in the say the circ debates.

Who cares if a person wants to debate just one topic, there are other topics for others to debate about.

[Fuchsia!]

I used my thinky thing and joined the dots.
:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing: :laughing:

[justmum]

I asked for a section separate to the general chat bit for people to discuss controversial topics so people who didn't wanna get involved in the debate didn't have to and know that things in there may upset them. I don't recall calling anyone names and i don't recall asking for a section to break the rules .if you attack someone im all for the mods to step in and I don't actually remember attacking anyone.

Yes I would probably be in the abortion topic more if there was one because that's something I'm passionate about, But then again there may be someone so passionate about bf that they would spend most there time debating in that section as with the other controversial topic's.

I don't need others to explain my motives for me.

I don't uderstand :confused: you want a section you can debate stuff in whilst adhering to the rules? That is all of bub hub almost (except for a few very specific pro sections).

If the topic you want to debate doesn't fall into a section, then pop it into general chat.

You already have what you are now claiming to want.

In your poll question, you asked


Would you like a debating section to debate veiws without fear of being banned?

Banning comes about because you breach the rules, not because of your opinions. So it is reasonable for people reading this to assume you want a debate section without rules, the first and most important of which are:




By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, abusive or otherwise violative of any laws.



Messages should be polite and friendly. Others are free to express their opinions and beliefs and any difference of opinion should not be taken personally.



If you want people to debate something, the usual way to start would be to state a proposition and then follow it with "discuss".

So, for example:

The sky is blue.

Discuss.

[studyingECS]

I'm aware people often only debate one topic, I was just saying that I personally think MB's motives for wanting a debate section were for the reason's I already quoted on this page.

I apologise if I am wrong but that's what I think.

[jaq]

Personal attacks on other members are the quickest way to get posts deleted.

Discuss.

[~Temet Nosce~]

The sky isn't blue. It's just reflecting the ocean :raspberry:

[IndigoJ]

The sky isn't blue. It's just reflecting the ocean :raspberry:

then why is the sky sometimes grey??? the ocean doesnt change colour. :p

[V8]

Thank you JM, but yes i think you hit the nail on the head there. :thumbsup:

There are already appropriate places to 'discuss' issues, general chat is one of them. We are not into segregating the forum into different sections to please each and every person and their personal opinions, and even if we did, you'd still have to obey the rules of the forum.

So, you are able to discuss your opinions in the open forum in the appropriate section as long as people express their opinions in accordance with the forum guidelines stated above, then we wouldn't have an issue.

It's ok to disagree with each others opinions as wouldn't the world be boring if we all got along all the time?

What we as mods ask is that you do so in a constructive manner without denegrating into slinging matches and using offensive language towards other members.

If you have any further questions, approach one of the mods but for now i think that this thread has been adequately 'debated'.

[justmum]

Personal attacks on other members are the quickest way to get posts deleted.

Discuss.

You are on fire :laughing::laughing::laughing:


The sky isn't blue. It's just reflecting the ocean :raspberry:

:p*

* example of poor debate technique