circumfetishism

[serendipity22]

Circumfetishism is a real phenonemom.

There are circumfetishists who have their own mailing lists and websites.

Some of these are people who practice circumcision or actively promote it.

Some doctors who circumcise (most in Australia don't any more) find it a chore or even unpleasant. Some positively enjoy the experience though.

Some people say circumcision is institutionalized sex abuse which makes Catholic church sex scandals look like kindergarten.

This small group of people have done much to help perpetuate circumcision.

Their very existence casts a dark shadow on circumcision.

More later...

[Father]

Do you have any more yet?

[Mathermy]

Oh sgusting!

certainly makes a lot of sense now that you mention it actually :detective: interesting

(and sick and gross)

but veeeeerrry interesting!:yes:

[bunintheoven12]

I've tried to stay away from this section of bubhub because I get myself too worked up about the subject. Anyway......without knowing a name for it like mentioned above, I had always thought that half the people carrying out the procedure got some sick pleasure out of. How else could you possible do it to a helpless, defenceless, precious, trusting baby?

WHEN WILL CIRCUMCISION BE CLASSED AS TAKING AWAY A CHILD'S HUMAN RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT HAPPENS TO ITS BODY?? And this applies to EVERYONE including religious beliefs. No one should be allowed to use any beliefs etc as an EXCUSE to do this to a child.

[Fuchsia!]

Thats disgusting!

[firsttimemumvmr]

I'm sure there are perverts out there, however, is there any backing to the claim that any doctor performing this must get a kick out of it? It seems to me possible for different medical practitioners to have different views without meaning that they are sex offenders or potential ones.It just seem to me a bit sensationalist. I tend to find also that our society is expose to media tragic stories about child abuse constantly and that perhaps we're a little overly suspicious.If anyone can prove anything about actual perverts, they most definitely ought to go to the authorities. To me generalising on medical practitioners who are pro circ is almsot like saying the only reason I could have, say, as a female, for being a urologist is that I get a kick out of seeing mens' genitals all day or the same for a male obstetrician. I'm sure it happens but rather than condemning the whole body of pro circ practitioners I think it would be more constructive to try to pin down the ones that we can prove are making sexual comments re this topic on their websites and so forth.

[firsttimemumvmr]

Oh, sorry if my last post was a little unclear. I said urologist as an example. I'm not in the medical profession at all. I thought I clarify this.

[lambjam]

So does it follow that doctors who perform amputations must have acrotomophilia?

Your implication is also that circumfetishists derive sexual pleasure from circumcising a baby. I think you'll find that these people's fetish is generally played out with consenting adults. A fetish doesn't make someone a paedophile.

This is a really big call, I'd be careful going down this path :no:.

[serendipity22]

I don't think the pleasure needs to be sexual at all.

I would those who enjoy doing the procedure on a baby for any reason at all, including the joy from collecting the fee.

[firsttimemumvmr]

On the other hand, the American Medical body for instance, whilst not recommending it as routine, argues that there are possible advantages. Now, from my experience with the medical system in England, where I'm from originally, is that they would always recommend the cheapest procedure because it's fortunately a publicly funded system.I have had friends who were clear candidates for c-section and were only offered one after like 40 hours of trying for a vaginal birth, only to have an emergency c-sec anyhow.I went privately at DH's request. I was very high risk and it was painfull afterwards but the procedure itself was planned and very relaxed. He partook a lot in thngs, like cutting the cord etc. Yes, money is involved in the medical profession but normally the other way round, i.e. avoid procedures at all costs...

[firsttimemumvmr]

Furthermore, going back to the medical profession making money or otherwise, okay. When I had my boy I had read a fair bit and I knew that there were ways to try and avoid adhesions (which are common with any op involving the abdominal cavity). There are barrier methods, the statistical value is 50% to 60% success. This is not enough for the free English Health System (NHS). They don't say it doesn't help it says, the benefits are not proven to be so great that we can warrant funding it! I'm very lucky because DH inherited money and he has a good job but this isn't everyone's situation and I wish the free system included things like that for everyone. Bottom line, both myself and Dan tend to go private but again, we shouldn't have to!Okay in short what I'm saying is that they will only recommend things that they cannot not do. Another example, in England, you don't get mammographies as standard until you're 50 because statistically breast cancer happens after that age. In the US most insurers cover it at any age. I had one done after my dear friend Rose, 27 was diagnosed with it! Not everything that is not paid for by your health system is of no value!

[firsttimemumvmr]

On the other hand, the American Medical body for instance, whilst not recommending it as routine, argues that there are possible advantages. Now, from my experience with the medical system in England, where I'm from originally, is that they would always recommend the cheapest procedure because it's fortunately a publicly funded system.I have had friends who were clear candidates for c-section and were only offered one after like 40 hours of trying for a vaginal birth, only to have an emergency c-sec anyhow.I went privately at DH's request. I was very high risk and it was painfull afterwards but the procedure itself was planned and very relaxed. He partook a lot in thngs, like cutting the cord etc. Yes, money is involved in the medical profession but normally the other way round, i.e. avoid procedures at all costs...

I must add, unless you pay... and it's not cheap!
Okay, we paid about £12,000 for the privilege and I understand that most households cannoit pay this sort of stupid money! I'm sure I was better off whatever the anti c-section reckon because of well 40 hours and then that when you're terrified! My boy was huge but perfect! I love him so much but that's aside the story. The NHS in England would give you a minimum cover. DH is FBI, I had a reasonable cover! My sister in law is a cardiologist in England, she agrees with me in that money in the system if of an essence!
Oh, that was unclear, the £12,00 was for a caesarian and some after care.

[firsttimemumvmr]

Some of the earliest post mentioned sexual gratification for the practitioner specifically. My husband would certainly like to hear of anyoneone like that, but you must produce some sort of evidence.

[firsttimemumvmr]

'Some people say circumcision is institutionalized sex abuse which makes Catholic church sex scandals look like kindergarten'Is that a matter of opinion? If it is don't try and make it pass for fact unless you can prove it? If you can prove it DH in the US would be delighted to help!

[JohnC]

The main circumfetish organisation is called Circlist, which has both a website and a "private" mailing list, both of which mainly concern themselves with fanatasy stories about circumcision. It makes no bones about being a fetish-oriented group.

A number of prominent pro-circ individuals, including Australians Brian Morris and "James Badger" (actually an academic microscopist who works at the same uni as Morris), have material published on the Circlist site. Organisations such as the Gilgal Society, a UK pro-circ group, also has material distributed via Circlist, including an international list of doctors who will perform the procedure.

There is a Bubhub member who conducts what is best described as a circumcision referral service using the Australian section of this list, which is also available on Morris's site.

There are several thousand individuals worldwide involved in such activities, and they regularly turn up in forums such as this, although rarely disclosing their connections.

[Jakois]

The main circumfetish organisation is called Circlist, which has both a website and a "private" mailing list, both of which mainly concern themselves with fanatasy stories about circumcision. It makes no bones about being a fetish-oriented group.

A number of prominent pro-circ individuals, including Australians Brian Morris and "James Badger" (actually an academic microscopist who works at the same uni as Morris), have material published on the Circlist site. Organisations such as the Gilgal Society, a UK pro-circ group, also has material distributed via Circlist, including an international list of doctors who will perform the procedure.

There is a Bubhub member who conducts what is best described as a circumcision referral service using the Australian section of this list, which is also available on Morris's site.

There are several thousand individuals worldwide involved in such activities, and they regularly turn up in forums such as this, although rarely disclosing their connections.

Thanks for that JohnC.

Its quite disturbing really isn't it.

Makes me feel:barf::barf:.

[firsttimemumvmr]

The main circumfetish organisation is called Circlist, which has both a website and a "private" mailing list, both of which mainly concern themselves with fanatasy stories about circumcision. It makes no bones about being a fetish-oriented group.

A number of prominent pro-circ individuals, including Australians Brian Morris and "James Badger" (actually an academic microscopist who works at the same uni as Morris), have material published on the Circlist site. Organisations such as the Gilgal Society, a UK pro-circ group, also has material distributed via Circlist, including an international list of doctors who will perform the procedure.

There is a Bubhub member who conducts what is best described as a circumcision referral service using the Australian section of this list, which is also available on Morris's site.

There are several thousand individuals worldwide involved in such activities, and they regularly turn up in forums such as this, although rarely disclosing their connections.

Just curious, are they breaking the law? DH works in law enforcement in an international capacity, hence question.I read that Dr Brian whoever resumee and he's very accomplished at least in other fields. I must log in and see for myself.