*+* Feb 09 Mums JUNE chat !*+*

[Seacretsquirrel]

Well it is June already where has the time gone Just think this time last year we were finding out we were pregnant!!!:smiliedance:

Well we had a fantastic weekend camping trip I am a bit sore after climbling up a mountain to get to the waterfalls at the top (the same trek I did at 4 months pregnant). I had Riley in the Ergo - it was not too bad but kept riding up onto my waits rather than sitting nice and low on my hips but it might have been the user rather than the ergo :D The kids had a wonderful time playing in the dirt (well Zahlia did - riley was the only one of us that stayed clean for the whole weekend!)
Anyway I am off to check out what you have all been up to since Friday.:wave:

[sweetseven]

Bub was trying to sit up in her bouncer this morning, so much so that she looked like she was nearly toppling out. Thus I wont be able to put her in it anymore.

I moved her to a playmat (with dangling toys) on the floor, and she promptly went to sleep. Upon waking, she rolled over. Looks like my little girl want to be mobile. It is going to be difficult to keep her safe with all her sisters traipsing through the house.

And good luck to those Mum's returning to work now. I hope you have plenty to distract you throughout the day, and lots of smiles and giggles when you get home.

[janiceg]

hi girls,

just wondering if anyone has any ideas for me...

dd has been waking up every two hours for almost two weeks now at night when she had been previously waking only once at 4am (sleeping 6pm-6am)
and she wakes up starving! i try to put her dummy back in and rocking her but she will not stop crying until she eats!
during the day she is also eating every 2 hour-ish and taking both breasts! i'm feeling very drained. she is very content and napping well, once she's eaten!

at first i thought it was a growth sprut..but two weeks? come on!
then i thought maybe teeth..massive drooling, fist in the mouth, little nappy rash, biting my nipples

i tried a spoonful of ebm to see if she would take it (checking for tongue thrust reflex) and she took it and opened her mouth for more! like a little chick!
last night dh was eating pudding with her on his lap and she sat there like a little puppy with her mouth hanging open!

i'm nervous to start her on solids so soon. anyone have any ideas?

[gonnabeaGR8mum]

hi all

janice you have my sympathies...i was going through something similar with Elianna over the last few weeks. she went from being a great sleeper (around 10hrs straight) to waking at least 3-5 times a night for a feed. i too tried settling with a dummy first but alll she wanted was a feed. its only been the last 2 nights that she's been sleeping better (although she's still feeding every 3 hours during the day when she used to go 4 hours).
i haven't had her weighed recently to see if it was a growth spurt but i'm pretty sure thats what it was. our bubs are just about 4 months old which is the old standard for starting solids and everything i've read says to let your baby dictate when they want to start. if as you say, she no longer pushes the food out with her tounge, watches you eat interestedly and maybe even leans forward and reaches for your food, the latest book i've been reading (breast, bottle, bowl) says to try 1/2 teaspoon of farex for one day and see how she takes it- mix it with EBM to make it really realy runny (this way its not too diff to thickened formular) then slowly increase to 1 tsp then through to one tblsp.

i've found it interesting that they say to build up to 2 solid meals very slowly, but on the same page say both that its not advised to start solids till 6 months AND at 6 months of age milk is not sufficient for all dietry needs so baby's should have 1-2 "solid" meals of 2 tbsp rice cereal each day.

so i guess what i'm saying is you know your baby best. if she's really that hungry and you're satisfied that its not a supply issue or a grwth spurt then i'd check with the GP first and then i'd give it a go...and hey, if it doesn't work just go back to milk only...just my opinion. at this point Elianna is satisfied with BM but if she was showing the same signs as your bub, i'd seriously consider it?

[ardora]

Happy June to everyone!

SS, how was the kindercot? I am looking into buying either the kindercot ot the P&T's portacot... I want one that is light, and that I can actually carry :)

Tiera, G has also being trying to sit up for weeks but he only managed a couple of times when he was sitting with his head on a cushion... it was pretty funny to look at his face, he was really astonished that he had managed to sit up!

Janice, I am sorry but I have no advice for you... G has also been really hungry lately but seems content with big feeds every 3.5 - 4 hours. He is sometimes feeding over 40-50 minutes and even an hour!! On the positive side, he is now sleeping 10 hours straight with the odd day where he wakes up earlier and needs to be resettled but that happens pretty quick.

:hugs: to everyone going back to work this week! I am starting next week but only two days a week until 2010... and I finally found childcare!!

G was 100 days old yesterday - I am going to make an album of his first 100 days :)

Have a great day!:goodvibes:

[Purplebird]

SS - glad to hear you had a great time. I didn't even notice it was June :laughing: well done for starting a new thread!

Janice - I wouldn't like to advise you - it's your call. All I can say is my DD was like that - a big and frequent feeder and she was large too. She was fine on breastmilk until 6 months. DS is a big feeder too, but I have not had the luxury of a good night's sleep yet so I don't exactly miss it! I've noticed him chomping on his hands a lot and concentrating on what we eat, but I honestly put that down to him 'finding' his own hands and being more interested in what we are doing.

My only thought is that if you're nervous I would leave off a while maybe? Its not as if she would get any enjoyment from farex anyway!

I have just managed to re-grout some of the tiles in our bathroom whilst also entertaining a grouchy baby (he didn't have a good nap this morning). Us women are seriously good at multi-tasking aren't we?!

This afternoon I've got a bloke coming to look at the garden to see if he can just put the finishing touches to it so that we can get this house on the market. It will be very interesting trying to keep tidy and clean with all the kiddie and baby clutter everywhere!

[Seacretsquirrel]

Ardora - The Kinderkot was pretty good - fantastic in that it kept the bugs and big kids out and it is very light and all is kept in its own little bag which is about 50cm diametre so heaps smaller than the traditional port-a-cot but as with all tents is it a bit sweaty - we had a fairly warm night when we were camping and Riley was very cranky and wouldn't settle until DH had the smarts to strip him off -silly me had him in an all in one suit in preparation for the cold wee small hrs but it was very warm until about 4am so he slept in a singlet and nappy with a blanket on him and that was it (on his sheepskin) so if you have a bit of a breeze, live in a cooler climate (anywhere south of here i think) you'll find it great - I am sure it will really come into its own the more we use it and the more Riley gets used to it I think it was also a bit strange being zipped in too - so I ended up leaving it open!

[A'sMummy]

Yay I survived my first day back at work!!
I had a few tears this morning when I dropped Anya off at mums, but she is in excellent hands! :yes:
I picked her up early at 3pm, I am meant to work till 5pm but they wont know ;)

We had Dads surprise 60th on the weekend was fantastic, my Dad said it was one of the best nights of his life. So glad we kept it a surprise!

Can't believe its June already, gosh time flies!

SS-glad to hear the camping trip was a success! Not sure I could be brave enough to go camping with a little one, so good on you!!

[janiceg]

thanks for your thoughts ladies...i broke down and got her some rafferty's organic baby cereal and mixed it with ebm and she loved it! she cried every time i stopped feeding her! crazy!
i fed her 1tsp half hour after a feed and she still took another feed a half hour later.
but man was she happy! she never stopped babbling and smiling. and putting her to bed was so easy! just wrapped her up gave her a cuddle and lights out!
maybe this is what she needed? fingers crossed!

[zephani]

i fed her 1tsp half hour after a feed

DH and I are having a disagreement as to what 1 tsp means. I mix 1 tsp of dry farex with 2 tsp of formula and feed her all of it in one feed.

When you say 1 tsp do you mean 1 tsp of wet/mixed cereal or do you mean the combination of 1 tsp of dry cereal and 2 tsp of ebm?

Also how is she going on the Rafferty's? I was going to buy that as it has less sugar than farex, but it said it was for babies around 6 months, whereas Farex is for babies 4 - 6 months.

P.S Our girls are around the same age. I'm glad I am not the only Mother who has started their daughter on solids early.

[janiceg]

yeah, i didn't really want to do it but she seemed so ready! even though i wasn't!
when i say a tsp i mean 1tsp of cereal and then ebm.. think it was 10ml?
i got the rafferty's organic baby rice + extra iron and it says 4+months on the pack. it seemed to have the least amount of 'stuff' in it and made with organic brown rice
how long have you been giving it to her? what time do you give it? how's she going with it?

[Purplebird]

but man was she happy! she never stopped babbling and smiling.

awww, how cute :D sounds like she does like it after all! I like the Raffertys stuff - the food is really good if you're out and about and get stuck.

[zephani]

how long have you been giving it to her? what time do you give it? how's she going with it?

I just looked at the Rafferty's website and saw that they do have 4 month cereal but it's exclusive to Woolworths so that's why I wouldn't have seen it as we shop in Coles. But I will go and get some.

Katherine has been on Farex since Friday. We gave it to her at lunch time on Friday. We then left it a day and offered it to her at breakfast time on Sunday. She didn't wanted it then but seemed really hungry at dinner time so we offered it to her again then and she gobbled it down.

She swallows it all and doesn't push any out of her mouth with her tongue. She also follows my finger (I'm using my finger this week and then introducing a spoon next week) with her eyes. When my finger gets near her mouth she opens her mouth in waiting.

Our plan is to offer it to her every second day for a week, then everyday for a week, and then the third week we will offer it to her everyday increasing the amount tsp by tsp every second day.

Once she is handling that we will introduce other foods. DH has a multitude of allergies so we will only be introducing one food at a time and for a whole week at a time.

Another milestone...I booked Katherine into Mum'n'Bubs swimming classes! We will be starting on the 20th of June, after her 4 month needles, and when we get back from Melbourne. I'm very excited! She loves the water! Now I just have to find my swimmers and see if they fit :p

Time to go to bed. We have baby group in the morning.

[janiceg]

yeah, i'm glad i'm not the only one zephani!
we had a great night last night and she slept 6-6am, waking once at 2am
we are going to do one dinner feed for a week and see how she goes
she seems heaps happier-amazing what a tsp can do!
any change in you dd's poos, zephani?

i can't wait for swimming either! she loves the water-maybe because she was born in it!! lol

[zephani]

Janiceg She's had a couple of explosive poos. Same colour but a bit runnier and more smelly.

Katherine slept 7:30 - 7:30 last night waking for a feed at 1 am.

[AnthonysMama]

LOL Zeph i just realised that stupid me replied in the other thread to you, your lil miss is born the day after ant and i started him on solids last week he has it morning and night and even though the little bugger likes it thick i try to thin it out as much as i can with formula, its helping him heaps i think, i can see a big change in him this week and hes even sitting up proped up with pillows now, anyhows im off to work have a great day girls

[natski]

Hi girls :wave:

Been MIA for a bit, have finally got a date for the two kids to be baptised so am organising that and have also got some exciting ideas for a business that I'm going to try and organise!

SS - so sorry to hear about your nanna...it's so sad and I hope you are OK. :hugs:

MummyJ - I hope your FIL is doing okay too.

GBAGM - that Christening cake sounds amazing. I've only just started organising ours (for both kids) and I'm already stressing out about it..ha!

AbyBaby - Olivia is small too - she was weighed yesterday and is only 5.47kg (already over 4months) - she's on the 15th percentile but nobody is worried about her. She is happy, feeding well and actually chubby, just 'petite'. As long as weight is not dropping, I would try not to worry too much.

KJ - sorry to hear you're still having a few troubles with Zoe and worries about your birth experience. Hope it all works itself out soon and I hope counselling makes things better for you if you go that route.

GIZ - you poor thing with DS1 - you must be so strong to deal with that, poor little egg.

FP & A's Mummy - I admire your strength at going back to work so soon. You are superwomen! I'd be a ball of mess!

PB - good luck with the new house/selling. I kinda wish we were doing the same but have decided to stay and renovate. Whenever that will be! It's driving me crazy at the moment!

Gotta run...my boobs are being called for!

[parentingrocks]

:wave: hi everyone

just been reading and keeping up to date but haven't posted much cos I really don't have much to say, I'm a bit boring to be honest :laughing:

Well I skipped mothers group today, had a bit of a sleepless night with the rug rat and too much to do around the house to be bothered heading out today. Charli normally sleeps well but last night woke at 10.30pm for a feed, 2am to be settled. 3am for a feed and then took forever to settle back to bed.. all this for a girl who's 'slept through' for about 2 months now. Very unusual behavious for her. My mum is convinced that she is teething - as much as all mums blame everything on teething, I am actually begining to wonder if it is true because every waking hour she is rolling her tounge all around her gums and is pretty miserable, the other night she was so grumpy (and had BRIGHT red cheeks) so I ended up giving her some baby panadol and she slept so much better. But I don't wanna have to keep doing this so I hope it calms down soon.

Well we are off camping to Wilsons Prom this long weekend - I heard some of you are campers too?? Any tips?? We have a territory that all seats fold flat so we are thinking we may sleep in the car with Charli in her little prom bassinett next to us so we are out of the wind.. we also have a 12 man (yes its huge!) tent that we are going to set up with the porta-cot (for day sleeps, and it has a change table thing) and out the pram in the tent too so its kept out of the way and the rain. Hope it goes alright. Just worried about how I will shower her because the air will be so cold I'm sure she will hate it (when she normally loves the shower at home) and how am I going to dress her in those dodgy little shower block showers?? who knows! I will report back to you all next week and tell you how I went! Its probably going to be a disaster!! Biggest thing I am looking forward to is the contant fresh air down their, I'm so sick of being cooped up in this house!! Plus Charli loves the outdoors I really notice she calmes down when ever we go outside, I think there is so much more to look at etc.

Well better be off and get through this mountain of washing so we have clean clothes to pack!

xxx

[natski]

Solsen - are you keen on just giving her a 'top and tail' bath? Just bathe her bum, hands and face with some warm soapy water. If it's only for a few days, and unless she goes rolling around in the mud, I wouldn't worry too much about it (well, that's me anyway). Then you don't have to fully undress her in such an awkward situation. Just take a little round tub with you? When Olivia was in hospital I couldn't give her a proper bath for over 3 weeks because of her IV line and she just had top and tails every couple of days. They're too young to get too gross and dirty :)

[cookie087]

Hey Ladies, I cant believe we are in June already! I havent been around too much so hoping i can catch up this month with how everyone and there fast growing bubbas are going.

Camping - We took DS camping on easter weekend. It was great fun and we just top-tail washed him then. We were away for 4 days and he was fine. He slept in the tent in a bouncer, or in bed with us, but ill be taking the port-a-cot next time. One thing we got told was take like a baby bath or similar to wash them in, you can just heat the water on the stove first and make it warm, and then wash your dishes in the same bath after.

Solids - We have had Jordan on solids for about 1 week now using the spoon, hes just starting to not spit it out. Takes it fine of the finger, just havent quiet conquered the spoon.

Anyways off to see my hungry bubba. Speak soon!!!

[quitecontrary]

Hello!
Yes, its taken me two days to realise that we're really in a new month!
Sounds like you are all doing well!

We have had a good last few days. Yesterday we all went to the Doc's - G just carried on like a cut snake even though she was the only member of the family not being "seen"! Dh and I got our whooping cough vaccinations, and T at long last has had his 8 week jabs. The child officially has a big head, weighs far too much and is getting longer. For some reason our GP didn't write all the figures down for us, but he's put on a kg in a month!
Today I took G to her first Fairy Ballet class, and it was great! She's been dancing around the house for months announcing that she is a "Ballet Girl" so she had a great old time in the toddler dance class! It was so much fun just watching them!
We had a busy weekend, and amazingly after the party we attended on Saturday evening G actually slept in, and T slept through! I did have to attend to G at 5am when she woke up crying but she did go back to sleep. We'd been at a party the night before too and that made not a jot of difference to G's waking up pre-dawn.
Solsen don't worry about showering Charli - thats one of the joys of camping, staying in the same clothes for days!! I remember going camping with cousins when I was about 16, and my cous asking me why I was brushing my hair, as she never did whilst camping - it was great advice really!! Have a great weekend, it sounds like you are very prepared! We took G before Christmas - not a baby any more - and it was loads of fun. We'll have to borrow a larger tent next time though, ours is quite small.
Zeph yay for the swimming "class". I don't know how I'll get around to having lessons with T, Miss G is still going to hers with dh, T and I just watch. I'll see what Dh says, as he'll be needed for G Patrol.
PB I love the "wow" comment by your little Miss when you're house-hunting! Good luck with the looking, and of course fingers crossed for a quick sale of yours as well.
I take my hat off to those of you who have returned to work - braver women than I.

[Lateralus]

Hi Ladies - wow - I can't believe it's June already! This year is going to go so quickly. I feel for those of you who are back at work already. I am blessed that we are in a situation where I can be off work until the end of the year - and I am already starting to fret about going back to work then :laughing: So I take my hat off to those of you who are back at work already!

We have been going alright here. Miss Z seems to be sleeping a bit better with (usually) only 1 or 2 feeds over night. We have been having some problems getting her settled initially in the evening with screaming fits lasting up to 3 hours. I have booked into the baby sleep school - our appointment is next week. I think the problem is that Zoe goes from being ok to overtired VERY easily and quickly - so hopefully they will be able to give us some tips of identifying her tired signs a bit earlier and ways of consoling her when she is seemingly unconsolable. We have also been referred to a breast feeding allergies specialist in Brisbane and the LC we have been seeing thinks that Z is having ongoing problems with something in my diet due to her persistent fussiness on the breast. I have already cut out dairy and soy and greatly reduced wheat - so will be interesting to see what she IS sensitive to. On the up side, if we can specifically pinpoint what it is that is bothering her, my diet might be a little less restricted than it is now. :fingerscrossed:

Despite her fussiness she is continuing to put on good amounts of weight. She is 5.9kg at 15 weeks - so not a porker, but a very healthy weight. She also grew 2 cm in length last week!

Sorry there are no personals - you have all been so chatty! Although, Janice am glad to hear that Charlotte is more settled now that she's taking some solids. Like someone else said - you know your baby better than anyone else and I am sure you are doing the right thing for her! I don't think Z will be starting on solids any time soon as she is showing absolutely no interest in our food at the moment. We are going to get her a high chair soon though so she can sit up and watch us eat and see if that sparks any sort of interest.

[natski]

Kate - good luck with the sleep school, hopefully it will sort out some issues for you and you'll return with a settled little miss. Olivia has been quite unsettled getting to sleep lately too and I have put it down to her being overtired and me thinking she needs more playtime and me missing that point where she just needs to go back to bed. I also hope things work out with her intolerances, that must be so trying for you - big hugs! I would imagine that you wouldn't want to start on solids anyway until you figure out what foods are upsetting her from breastmilk.

I made a baked dinner tonight and a lasagne last night and can't believe I managed to fit it in! I think I'm finally starting to be organised (well, at least try). DH and I have been at each others throats a bit lately and we've finally figured out that we're just being ridiculous and we need to support each other, not get cranky. I just wish we could sort these renovations out and have some sort of final product....and we've only just begun! I think it's so much time spent talking about it, changing minds and indecision that's driving me nuts.

Anyway, that's all stupid material nonsense compared to the more important things hey!

Have a great week everyone.

[Purplebird]

Solsen - enjoy your camping trip. It's a lovely place you're going to - I like it there a lot.

QC - too funny about your fairy ballerina. I bet she loved the class. E loves a dance, but its more of a bop to the Wiggles or something!

Kate - good luck with the allergy specialist and the sleep advice. It sounds like Zoe is settling much better at night so thats great.

Natski- DH and I have to be very careful not to snap at each other all the time when we get tired. Sometimes I have to remember just to take a deep breath and be nice! I understand your frustrations at renovations not being done. Since Cameron came along I suddenly feel like the walls are closing in - not enough space!

I don't have much to report. I'm having Cameron weighed tomorrow so that should be interesting. He's had an unsettled day again today, but I put that down to the fact that his day sleeps weren't great. Unfortunately he likes the cot a bit too much and won't sleep well in the Ergo when we are out (and the pram isn't his favourite either!).

[Seacretsquirrel]

Solsen - I agree just top and tail her. We sometimes go Camping at the Hot springs where there are no showers at all so we are all feral for the camping trip - except for a rinse in the hot springs that is - but here in Darwin you are sweaty before you even make it back to camp!

Kate - good luck with both the allergies and the sleep school hopefully it will get sorted for you.

Natski - well done with the cooking you are a champ!

QC fairy dance class sounds great wish we had it up here might have to look into something similar!

AFM - had a rough day miss Z has a slight temp 37.5 (but she feels sooo hot) so she has been a bit miserable and has wet the bed twice today (once this morning and once tonight) so we are off to the Drs to get her checked out! I might weigh R then too see how he is tracking

It is also Nana's funeral tomorrow:crying: I just finished writing a little speech for the pastor to say so hopefully it sounds okay. I am sort of wishing I had gone not so much for me but to be there for dad but he is saying that I did the right thing staying here and that he is doing pretty well considering. We are going down in Sept so it will be nice to gove him a huge :hugs: then.
other than that DH has the day off tomorrow so we might go for lunch or something if Z is up to it.
anyhoo off to bed before I turn into a pumpkin :sleeping:

[natski]

SS - thinking of you today sweetheart. Take some time out by yourself (if you can manage) and try to have a bit of some reflection time for your nanna and hopefully that will make you feel a bit better. Think of all the happy times you had with her and have a chat to her in the stars. :hugs:

AFM - OMG! I weighed myself this morning and feel so revolting! I have put on 5kg since I came home from the kids hospital with Olivia. I have really stress-eaten since her being there and I've used that as a stupid excuse. On the upside, my sister brought her WW books over yesterday and I've got my points sorted with breastfeeding and I've started counting. Now just have to stick with it and make it work...and try and get some exercise in if I can! I wish I had more hours in the day...maybe I should get off the computer (clenching my bum muscles as I type this...that's a form of exercise isn't it???).

Bye for now :wave:

[parentingrocks]

Hi there!

Natski = I know exactly what you mean!! I have put on weight since being home because I just live this 'lady of lesuire' lifestyle!! I keep snacking while I'm at home and going out for lunches and coffees with friends its terrible!! I decided the other day to rule out sweets and try to have better portion control at meal times and squeeze in exercise everyday now. I have just been walking and doing the 1000 steps near my house.. little walking track that is literally 1000steps to the top so quite a workout!

Well thanks for all the camping advice! We'll see how I go, aparantely the weather is going to be shocking but I think we will stil enjoy the fresh air and getting away for 5 days

speak toyou all soon
'x

[zephani]

i got the rafferty's organic baby rice + extra iron and it says 4+months on the pack. it seemed to have the least amount of 'stuff' in it and made with organic brown rice

I went to Woolworth's to look at Rafferty's Garden cereal and noticed that it had more sugar and calories than Farex. With this in mind I was wondering what benefits there are to choosing Rafferty's Garden and why you would choose it over Farex?

[parentingrocks]

I am so very bored........ Charli has been asleep since 3pm :sleeping:............ I better wake her up soon for a feed otherwise it will be over 4 hours since her last feed and she might thinks its nighttime. She better still sleep this well tonight!!

[janiceg]

zephani,
i couldn't find a farex website but i did find one that listed the nutrition (not sure if it's accurate or not but according to it: (all per 100g)
farex has 4.6g sugar and rafferty's has 1.5g
farex has 1,566.4(kj), 374.4(cal) and rafferty's has 187.3(kj), 45(cal)
here are the websites farex nutrition (http://www.aminoz.com.au/infant-cereal-blended-dry-farex-food-2784.html?food_measure_g=0.01&magnitude=100&action=process)and rafferty's (http://www.raffertysgarden.com/baby_food.php?yum=15)
i could be completely wrong! because it seems to be a huge difference...check your box and let me know if i am.
i mainly chose it because it was the only one made with organic brown rice and brown rice is heaps better for you than white becaust it's less processed it naturally contains vitamins B1, B3 and B6, manganese, iron (http://www.homemade-baby-food-recipes.com/iron-supplements-for-infants.html), phosphorus, selenium, essential fatty acids and fibre.
the less processing and more natural the ingredients; the better, i think :)

[Seacretsquirrel]

Afternoon Ladies, bnot really much to add but just wanted to say THANKS Mod for sticky-ing the june threads in here!

hope you are all doing well great big :hugs: to anyone who needs it!
How cute are the little smileys on my sig!!!!

[gonnabeaGR8mum]

love the smiles SS

janice and zephani i've been reading your conversation with interest as Elianna has begun reaching for our food and trying to pull it into her mouth (especially my mango ice-cream :thumbsup:) and i've been finding that she doesn't seem totally satisfied after her last feed of the day- even after i comp feed with up to 100ml EBM, so i'm thinking of trialling half a tsp of rice cereal after her afternoon feed.

Solsen and Natski i too am a guilty serial snacker, especially whilst breasfeeding- i thing i'm often mistaking thirst for hunger and trying to eat to get rid of the feeling when a glass of water would be much better- going to make a concerted effort to drink a glass of water before i start snacking

Kate fingers-crossed they sort out the source of the problems and get you back on a normal diet, and :shakehands: welldone to you for sticking to it, if i had to give up dairy and wheat etc i think i'd just wean her, you are a vry stong woman and you should be very proud of yourself.

AFM i have just found out that my longest friend is having difficulties with her second pregnancy. they found out they were having a boy at their 20 week u/s (and were vry excited as now they have their pidgeon pair) but the next day were called into their doctors office and told that the baby has a break in it's femur, probably due to a severe form of osteogenesis Imperfecta (aka brittle bones) this first doctor recommended aborting as the baby would be unlikely to make it to full term alive. they said NO then went to see a specialist who has given them the ok to continue with regular u/s and the very strong likelihood of an early c-section delivery. i jsut can't believe it, i've done a bit of research and it all sounds pretty hopeless for her, so i can't think of anything to say or do to make it better.

does anyone know of anyone who's had a baby with OI that has survived, or better yet who's baby was diagnosed with OI and had it come out totally healthy, please i just want to give her some hope:(

sorry for the downer post, it just makes me so sad (and makes me hug Elianna a little tighter)

hope you are all well nd not to sick of this lousy weather.

[zephani]

farex has 4.6g sugar and rafferty's has 1.5g
farex has 1,566.4(kj), 374.4(cal) and rafferty's has 187.3(kj), 45(cal)

I bought a box of farex (must of thrown the box I had out) and a packet of Rafferty's Garden Organic Baby Rice today.

Here is the nutritional information off the side of each packet. All the information is for 100grams of prepared cereal.

Energy - Farex 190kj/45cal RFG 339kj/81cal
Protein - Farex 0.9g RFG 1.4g
Fat - Farex 0.4g RFG 1.4g
Carbohydrate - Farex 9.3g RFG 14.9g
Sugars - Farex 0g RFG 2.7g
Dietary Fibre - Farex 0.2g RFG 1.4g
Sodium - Farex 2mg RFG 0mg
Iron - Farex 2.4mg RFG 6.6mg

I like Farex because it has less fat, carbohydrates and sugars, but I like Rafferty's Garden because it has more protein, dietary fibre and iron.

As I said I bought both today. So I will try the Rafferty's Garden from Monday and see which one she likes the best.

[mummyJ]

GBAGM - that is so incredibly sad!! Will pray for them!!! :hugs:

[sweetseven]

Yikes GR8, that sounds awful. I'm afraid the only thing I know about that sort of thing is when it comes up on fictional medical dramas (eg House) so I cannot be of any help.

I went to meet Morigan on Tuesday, which is the first time I've met someone from BubHub so it was good. I was a bit concerned afterwards that maybe I talked too much, however she's invited me to meet with more people on Friday so I guess I didn't make too bad an impression.

Unfortunately, bub wasnt happy yesterday. She was crying, arching her back, sobbing during feeds, stopping feeding early, and letting unswallowed milk run out of her mouth after a feed. At playgroup, I had people saying, "She's not a colicly baby, is she?", "I've never heard her cry before", or "That's really out of character for her; She should really see a doctor.".

So, when I took DD2 to the doctor that afternoon to get her cast off, I asked if the nurse could check out bub. Nurse said it sounded like she had a sore throat, and called the doctor to check. He couldnt see any redness but she had a slight temp so the doctor suggested it was probably further down where he couldn't see, and prescribed paracetemol to ease discomfort, and to bring her back Friday if she hadnt improved. (Also DD2 has to keep her cast on for another two weeks and her bone isnt straight.) I haven't opened the bottle of paracetemol, and she's been much better today.

The wet weather is making it difficult to get her nappies dry, so I've been having to use some terry flats as backups. Oh, and the house seems so much quieter with DD3 away at camp.

[Purplebird]

Tiera - that's great that you've met someone on bubhub. I haven't for a long time. I'm also having trouble drying my nappies at the moment - 4 days and counting for my Magicalls!

SS- love those smilies! How were your cookies??

GBAGM - I'm so sorry for your friend :hugs:. I don't know anything about this though - oddly enough I'd never heard of it until yesterday when I saw it was the subject of a new fictional book. I hope everything works out for them.

I have a very snotty unhappy baby who is making himself even more miserable by having short naps. Hopefully it's just because he is a bit unwell. I've had no success with the snot sucker at all and he is getting a bit frustrated with feeding. I think it may be a very long day *sigh*

[Seacretsquirrel]

GBAGM - How very sad for your friends my thought are with them too. :hugs:
PB - The cookies were fantastic - but there are only 2 left so I ate far tooooo many:o I liked my smileys too but I got in trouble for them - you can only use BH smileys so smacks for me :crying:

Not much to report here all is ops normal so I'll shush up before I bore you all to death.:wave:

[floodprincess]

:wave: ladies.....I finally realised that it was June and we'd have a new thread (no need to worry about two days QC...I win lol).

GR8 :hugs: to your friend...have to admit, I've not heard of it either!

How has everyone else gone with their camping? I have to admit, you're braver women than I.....we took DD1 for her first camping trip when she was roughly 2 1/2 months (but it was waay warmer then). i wouldn't do it with DD2, she just doesn't seem to be the sort of baby that could handle it (unless it's just me getting older and more protective).

So, how have those who have returned to work cope? A's mum, I saw your post about a few tears and can totally sympathise - I was ok on Monday (my first day back) because she was alseep, but Tuesday she was still awake and full of smiles and chats....was soo hard to tear myself away.

But on the plus side, we survived our first week and Monique survived all the c hanges (being left without mum was the biggest, and then being left with nanny who so far she's only spent a little time with and not alone)...she's taken to the bottle really well and I'm still managing to express more than enough during the day to keep her in EBM (first couple of days she had to take some formula but I can live with that).

And as for solids.....we started solids last week as well, very watery farex - and she loves it. I've held off on it this week because we already had some massive changes, but I'll slowly start again this weekend and over next week (I'm only working a three day week) so we can give some a go every 3rd day or so :)

Hope everyone is going well, MM, you went back to work this week too if I recall correctly- hope you are going ok?

Anyway, I'm off, going to watch my beautiful baby sleep for a few minutes and marvel at the fact she's 16 weeks on Tuesday. Then relax with some TV and a glass of wine.

Enjoy your weekend! Love to all.......

[janiceg]

I bought a box of farex (must of thrown the box I had out) and a packet of Rafferty's Garden Organic Baby Rice today.

Here is the nutritional information off the side of each packet. All the information is for 100grams of prepared cereal.

Energy - Farex 190kj/45cal RFG 339kj/81cal
Protein - Farex 0.9g RFG 1.4g
Fat - Farex 0.4g RFG 1.4g
Carbohydrate - Farex 9.3g RFG 14.9g
Sugars - Farex 0g RFG 2.7g
Dietary Fibre - Farex 0.2g RFG 1.4g
Sodium - Farex 2mg RFG 0mg
Iron - Farex 2.4mg RFG 6.6mg

I like Farex because it has less fat, carbohydrates and sugars, but I like Rafferty's Garden because it has more protein, dietary fibre and iron.

As I said I bought both today. So I will try the Rafferty's Garden from Monday and see which one she likes the best.
yeah, that sounds more realistic than the figures i had!!
how did dd go with it?

i was worried the added iron would 'block her up' but it definately hasn't! still lots of poonamies here!

going to try sweet potato tomorrow! anyone tried other foods besides cereals?

:hugs: to all those with troubles and good on you those that have gone back to work! you're all truely amazing!

hope we all get lots of sleep tonight!!

[floodprincess]

going to try sweet potato tomorrow! anyone tried other foods besides cereals?



Nan gave DD2 a small bit of banana this afternoon in an effort to hold her off a bottle feed 'cause I was pretty close to home....

DD2 enjoyed making a mess of it, not sure how much she actually 'ate' but so far we've had no ill side affects (and thankfully no choking)....will update tomorrow once it's had a chance to work through her system...

[janiceg]

i've read banana comes out looking like black worms in their nappy so don't be shocked it that's what you see! haha!

[Lateralus]

Morning ladies :wave: Hope everyone has a fun long weekend planned. Unfortunately DH is away for the whole weekend, so Z and I will have to go visiting some friends. The good thing is that the WinterSun festival is on up here - so we might head in to Coolangatta to have a look at the sights and all the cool old cars.

We had a bit of a shocker last night - Zoe is getting more and more unsettled in the evenings and it can take anywhere up to 3 or 4 hours to get her to sleep for a reasonable stretch. And then she was awake at 3am wanting to play - GAH!! Oh well, we have sleep clinic this Thursday coming so hopefully they will impart with some ancient and secret wisdom that will help Z settle faster. I promise I will share with you ladies if it works!

We also have the breast feeding and allergy specialist up in Brisbane on Tuesday which should be really interesting. Sessions are 3 hours long - so we should be able to cover some ground in that time!!

Has anyone else bought a Bumbos seat for their little one? I am looking at getting one, but as they are almost $100 with the tray attachment, am just trying to work out whether it's definitely going to be used lots.

GBAGM :hugs: to you and your friend... I have heard of that brittle bone syndrome before - there used to be a guy on TV who had it - Quinten - I don't know if anyone else remembers him??? So I guess proof that babies can survive with that condition?! :confused:

[floodprincess]

i've read banana comes out looking like black worms in their nappy so don't be shocked it that's what you see! haha!

lol....never knew that (can't remember with DD1) but our last poo looked 'normal' - pretty smelly though which is to be expected with the addition of some solid foods....

So how is everyone today?

Kate, I hope you find something that works for the three of you.....must be heartbreaking to feel like you take a step forwards to go three back (I know 'cause it breaks my heart when we do it). :hugs: :hugs:

Take care ladies....

[Purplebird]

Kate - :hugs: I hope the sleep school and the specialist can help Zoe. I never had a bumbo for DD, but I know a lot of people like them. I think I just stuck with the basic rocker chair then straight to a high chair (as she sat up quite early). I'm sure good old ebay may have some bumbos.

We just bought a house today - quite spontaneously really. We'd been eyeing it up but thought it was going to be out of our price range. We went along to the auction for a squizz and ended up being the highest bidders! Quite funny really as ours isn't even for sale yet - we better do that next week!

I'm really looking forward to having 2 storeys again - its something I've really missed as most UK houses have 2 storeys. I'll be able to put Cameron down for his sleeps and not have to ask DD to 'shush' every 5 minutes :)

Hope you're all having a good weekend.

[quitecontrary]

PB how fantastic!! Out of the "bungalow" and into a "house" eh? Spontaneous purchasing too - I love it!
I remember trying to explain our "Californian Bungalow" (well, not really but close enough) to dh's London Aunt - not a snowball's chance in hell of her knowing what a post WW1 house in Sydney looks like! Let alone a quarter acre block!!
I'm so pleased for you!
Kate hope you're having a peaceful girls weekend with young Zoe!
All is well here. Quiet sunny at home day today - which was great. Tomorrow we have friends coming over at 9 or somesuch, and a 4th birthday party at 11 for one of our nieces - it will be full-on fun.
Toby is great, such a happy contented little soul. Last night Dh and I went into the city to look at the Vivid festival light sculptures etc and left both the kids with my parents. The light walk was great, through the rocks and around to the Opera House - which looks so amazing with the projections on it. The kids behaved themselves. Toby isn't as predictable as his sis was at the same age. G used to go to straight to sleep and stay that way, T is more inclined to want to be sociable. But after he has a good chat he's fine!!

[Lateralus]

We just bought a house today - quite spontaneously really.

:laughing: haha - you add this quite casually to the conversation... :smiliedance: congratulations!! Very exciting! When is settlement?

[Seacretsquirrel]

PB - congrats on the house buying - I am suitably jealous - one day!

KJ- hope all goes well with the BF and sleep clincs and do share all their top tips!

QC - lucky you to get some quality time with your DH!

AFM - DH is off again - to Perth for two weeks this time on course, so hopefully he doesn't freeze - He might be buying a jumper at the Perth airport as we forgot to get him one when we went shopping of yesterday.
I did get a great bargain on Bonds easy suits from Kmart though - the long leg and arm ones for $5 each Yippeeee Mr R has gotten too long for his 000 jumpsuits with and with out feet so we had to go get him some new jammies! I was expecting to have to go with the pumpkin patch ones cause they are one of the few that come without the feet in them (he seems to like that better than the feety onest) but we popped into Kmart first and hey presto $5 jammies, I bought 4 pairs of 00 and 4 0's so he is set for jammies for a while! I know lots of people don't like them but he wore the first pair last night and they weren't too bad - up here he is literally only in them for nighttime sleep cause I have to get him dressed with the first nappy change of the morning otherwise it gets too hot! so I am only getting them on and off once and perhaps 1 nappy change in the middle of the night (but I only do this if it is a pooey one) I can see that they might be a bit of a PITA if they are in them all day and you are doing all the nappy changes but it does save fumbling with buttons and snaps in the dark. Ooops I have :ecomcity: a bit.
Hope you are all doing well enjoy your lovely long weekends (except you poor people in WA)
ETA Oooh did anyone else get the Hug a luggs from RTG they are too cute for words I can't wait to get them! (I got black pirate ones for DS and pink ones with ladybirds on them for DD:yelclap:)

[Purplebird]

Thanks ladies! Settlement is in 120 days to give us plenty of time. We can finish up earlier if we sell though, which is nice. It was all a bit sudden really which is why I was being casual about it Kate :D

SS - boo to DH going away again. I like jammies myself too, I luckily don't have to change DS's nappy at night as he never poos (at night, that is!).

QC - I'm very jealous of your walk. It sounds lovely. I was supposed to go for a night out with the girls last night but I was a bit too nervous to leave Mr C. The cheeky thing slept from 7 until 12 so I could easily have gone! I got myself all worried he wouldn't take a bottle - and he usually gets up at about 8pm to come and chat and have a feed.

We are having a home based day today and then off to friends for dinner tonight with the kidlets. I hope they are good and let us have some relaxation time!

[Lateralus]

OMG - I can't stop buying clothes for Zoe - I am like a woman possessed! Not good when we are only on one income. At least I am getting smart and buying some bigger sizes so she'll have clothes that fit when she grows a bit rather than a glut now and nothing later! :flowerz:

[zephani]

Hello Ladies,

We had finally arrived in Melbourne. We left home at 8am Friday, arrived in Canberra at 1pm, had lunch with friends, visited other friends, visited at a client of DH's and the arrived at the place we were staying at around 4pm.

On Saturday we left our friend's at 9:30am, went to have coffee at DH's uncle's place, went shopping and bought DD a gorgeous woollen lined hat with ear covers, then drove to Albury arriving at 5:30pm. At 6:30pm we went to DH's cousin's place for dinner. She is 24 weeks pregnant and it was the first time she had meet DD. We got back to the motel about 9:30pm.

Today we left Albury at 9:30am and arrived in Melbourne about 2pm.

So its been a very busy three days. DD was restless the first two days but I think that it was because we had done too much.

We are here so Katherine can meet her Oma and Pop for the first time. They are enthralled with her. And now we have a garbage bag full of size 0 clothes for her for summer.

GBAGM I'm so sorry to hear about your friend and her baby. Please let her know our thoughts are with her and keep us updated as to how she is going.

Janiceg We tried the Rafferty's Garden cereal and she loved it! We are having two teaspoons with 4 teaspoons of formula for breakfast. Last night we had a roast at DH's cousin's place for dinner. DD was eyeing off my dinner so I fed her a teaspoon of pumpkin and she LOVED it! So today she had her two teaspoons of cereal for breakfast and two teaspoons of pumpkin for dinner. I think we are going to continue that routine for now.

How are you going? Did you try to sweet potato?

Has anyone's bubs done any interesting poos since starting solids? Or smelly? You could see bits of pumpkin in DD's poo tonight :yes:

KateJo We had a physio at Baby Group on Tuesday and she said that Bumbo's had been taken off the market in America, where they were made, because it encourages babies to sit up before they are ready. I'm not sure because I've never seen them, but I've heard other people rave about them.

I understand about buying clothes for DD. I've just told my MIL to stop buying size 0's for summer and start buying size 1's for next winter.

I'm exhausted after all the travelling so I think I'll go to bed. Sorry if I've :ecomcity::ecomcity::ecomcity: for too long.

Nighty night xxx

[janiceg]

is
Janiceg We tried the Rafferty's Garden cereal and she loved it! We are having two teaspoons with 4 teaspoons of formula for breakfast. Last night we had a roast at DH's cousin's place for dinner. DD was eyeing off my dinner so I fed her a teaspoon of pumpkin and she LOVED it! So today she had her two teaspoons of cereal for breakfast and two teaspoons of pumpkin for dinner. I think we are going to continue that routine for now.

How are you going? Did you try to sweet potato?

Has anyone's bubs done any interesting poos since starting solids? Or smelly? You could see bits of pumpkin in DD's poo tonight :yes:

KateJo We had a physio at Baby Group on Tuesday and she said that Bumbo's had been taken off the market in America, where they were made, because it encourages babies to sit up before they are ready. I'm not sure because I've never seen them, but I've heard other people rave about them.


we started doing breaky too! i was a bit too busy to get the sweet potato cooked on saturday. so, she had avocado we got from the market instead. the first taste was priceless!:laughing:but she gobbled it all down!
we still have rice for dinner. she eats about 2-3 tsp at each meal.
i managed to bake her sweet potato today. pureed it with fresh ebm and then froze it in heartshaped icecube trays! it's so cute! we will try it in a few days.
i got an annabel karmel baby cookbook the other day and i love it!
dd poo's smell like avocado now! :p pretty much the same color and consistancy though!

Kate, i've also heard terrible things about the bumbos..but a friend of mine loved hers.

[sweetseven]

Kate, i've also heard terrible things about the bumbos..but a friend of mine loved hers.What terrible things? I've just committed to one on ebay. I thought they looked like a great idea.

[janiceg]

there was a recall of all bumbos in north america and south africa (where they originate) because of babies toppling over and suffering serious head injuries.
some say that it can cause spine and muscle damage from having babies sit up before they are ready. all babies are different and some just don't 'fit' so it makes them basically be folded in half or slumped over and can damage their natural spine development.
but like i said they're heaps of people who love them so trust your instincts!

[zephani]

:iagree: with janiceg. That is exactly what the physio said at baby group on Tuesday.

[AnthonysMama]

Hey all hope everyone had a lovely weekend and is coping with this freezing cold weather, we didnt get up to much, had lunch today with the inlaws and that is about it, DS is eating and loving it, My SIL gave him a rusk today and he devored it with the help of DH to guide it into his mouth. I got him some jars of heinz baby fruit and he seems to really love that too, im not game enough to try him on pumpkin or vegetables yet. Found out on thursday night that he can roll from his back to his front in not the best way he nearly fell off of our lounge! Well im off to bed have a great night girls and ill talk to you all soon.

Oh as for the bumbos we have one and we love it so does my neice and DS! i think that we should just do what is best for us it comes in quite handy for me and DH!

[quitecontrary]

Hello - quiet times for Feb babies it seems!!
Hope all is well with all of you - and quiet here means wonderful at home or work!
Genevieve had ballet again today, and it sure takes it out of her, she had over 3 hours sleep this afternoon and is back in bed now of course. Just as well, the silly duffer was up and ridiculous in the middle of the morning for a couple of hours. Catch up sleep is much needed for most of us really!
I went back to Weight Watchers tonight - I have put off actually going til dh finished his teaching commitments for the semester, so I had to go tonight! I've been muddling along by myself re: the diet but I know once I start putting my money where my mouth is I'll get much better results!!

[sweetseven]

Bub had her first solid meal yesterday, some baby yoghurt, which she loved. Though DP gave her a taste of his iceblock whilst I was fetching it for her. :shame:

And when she had had enough, my toddler hapilly finished off the rest of the punnet.

[parentingrocks]

:wave: hi everyone

hope you are all well.

we went camping - was great fun. obviously a bit of extra work with the little one but we were set up really well so it was no dramas.

I am supposed to be taking her to get her needles done this morning between 9.30am - 11.30am but she is sound asleep, so not sure if we'll make it, if it doesn't work out we will go in the next few days at the next session. Hope she was as good as last time - just one 'ahhhhh!' and then fell asleep and it didn't seem to bother her at all after that.

Went cold turkey on the dummy as of yesterday afternoon - I had an appointment with the MCHN and talked to her about it and she said try to cold turkey it first and if it doesn't work then try 'weaning' her by only using it at certain times and phasing it out etc,.. but we just stopped completely and she seems to be fine. Settled her to sleep last night and this morning in only 5 mins and last night she slept 8.30pm - 5am so very happy with that. She has actually been waking up during the night a faire bit recently and I actually think the dummy became more of a distraction rather than a soother when it came to sleeping so thats what initially spurred me to think about ditching it. I'm a bit worried to leave the house without it but we'll see how I go! I will leave one in the nappy bag in case I get desperate.

Well if you're in melbourne I just got a baby bunting catalogue and it has lots of handy stuff in it, great sales at the moment.

Also, I've started a weight loss challenge with my friend who had a baby same time as me. I'm trying for a 10kg loss and she is trying for 30kg. We are trying to rule out sweets, eat less portions (cos I eat big meals) exercise daily and drink lots of water.. I am going to try to always have a bottle with me. I will try to walk everyday and gradually increase it to running. See how I go!! Who knows. Weight loss is hard work I am the worst dieter!

xxx

[Lateralus]

Hi Everyone - well, we had our allergies specialist appointment yesterday and it was somewhat more, er, alternative than we had anticipated. Whilst the woman had a pretty impressive resumé in terms of scientific degrees and qualifications - she used the more alternative methods of kinseiology and dowsing (to weird to explain - google it if you're interested!!) to determine what Zoe's food allergies and intolerances are. While it seemed a bit far fetched and kooky to us at first, the more we look at it, the more plausible it seems - so we're going to try the 'new diet' for a fortnight with promises that we'll 'definitely' see improvements within 48 hours to 1 week. Poor Zoe is at the stage now where she screams in pain during and after each feed and is generally just miserable- we're at the stage where we'll try anything to have a more contented baby. It means that my diet is even more restricted still - but again, if it makes Zoe happier and more comfortable I will do it for as long as it takes!

[Purplebird]

Anythings worth a go isn't it Kate, if Zoe is that miserable? I must confess to being a bit sceptical regarding some alternative treatments (not all). Is she on any medication as well? I have been drinking a fair bit of camomile tea lately which seems to make a difference - I'm not game enough to give it directly to Cameron, but I think you can give a teaspoonful to baby.

Oh, and it's so good that you did persevere with b'feeding. If Zoe is a bit refluxy I'm sure boobie milk is the best thing for her.

[Lateralus]

Anythings worth a go isn't it Kate, if Zoe is that miserable? I must confess to being a bit sceptical regarding some alternative treatments (not all). Is she on any medication as well?


Oh, and it's so good that you did persevere with b'feeding. If Zoe is a bit refluxy I'm sure boobie milk is the best thing for her.

I have a degree of skepticism but I am willing to give it a try. We tried Zoe on reflux meds but they seemed to make no difference at all. We are taking her back to the GP early next week though to see if there is another type of reflux med we can try.

As for me being 'good' perservering with the BF - I am just about at the point that I could give it away BUT Zoe happens to be allergic to dairy, soy and goats milk, so that pretty much eliminates all formula options anyway. It's just so heartbreaking watching her trying to feed at my breast - you can see she's hungry and wanting milk, but when she does drink it's obviously causing her so much discomfort. :crying: I really am starting to wonder what I did to attract so much bad luck. I don't think it's too much to ask that my baby be allowed to eat without it causing her pain :(

[janiceg]

:hugs:kate, it's true! it's so unfair for little ones sometimes. i hope something gets figured out soon for you all! hopefully, when things get better we can meet up and the girls can have a play!
tiera3, what's baby yoghurt? is it any different from regular? never heard of it but probably wasn't looking for it!
Solsen-you're so brave kicking the dummy habbit! things are going so well i'm scared to do it! keep me posted on how it goes! i might give it a try!
afu-we are going well on the solids. dd loves it all! she's loving her sleep too! having 2hr long naps at a go today:eek: and only waking once at night. can hardly believe how much she's changed in the past weeks. i'm so lucky!
however, i am not fond of the new solid poos! easier to clean up but sooooo stinky!!

[quitecontrary]

Kate - you are doing your best for your daughter. I really really hope that the new dietary modifications work for all of you, especially for you. Don't think of it as karma/luck - you are doing the right thing for your daughter. Take care of yourself please.
Janice you are right about the poos - if you think they are stinky now it only gets worse I assure you!!
Toby is just lovely. He is such a little chunky pudding, all of 14 weeks today - what a lot of changes have happened in his lifetime for us.
We booked our accommodation in Trinity Beach for our holiday next month - I can't believe I'm heading to FNQ for the first time ever - with two kidlets in tow! What fun, 8 nights in the tropics!

[Seacretsquirrel]

Yikes KJ you poor thing what a hard BF journey you have had so far. Hopefully this will help - It is worth a shot! You are GREAT!!!! for persisting with BF considering all the heartache.Great big :hugs:'s and :smiliedance: for you!

QC I remember the change when DD started Solid not looking forward to it with DS - he is stinky enough as it is!

AFU - Had a rough night last night the stupid dogs around here were going off which freaks Miss Z out and so she kept waking up not to mention two lots of bed stripping (luckily I have 2 layers and the 2nd one happened at 6 am so she just came in with me. Mst R has decided that 8-30 is a good time to be up and cranky which is a bit painful he will only settle in my arms the last 2 nights and is awake at 1am and then at 4 add that to Z's nocturnal murmurings and I am sooo not getting enough sleep.... Oh well I'll soldier on no choice really!:laughing:
My biggest heartache today is that my external hard drive has decided not to talk to the computer today - last time it happened we switched off and back on and it was fine but that hasn't helped today I've done it a couple of times to no avail. I turned on the computer with the intention of backing up all our pics on disk I hope it is not too late Grrrrr technology!
I am doing a virus check ATM and then I'll turn off and leave it for a bit fingers crossed!!!!!!:fingerscrossed:

[floodprincess]

Hi all...

Kate, hope things start looking up for you and Zoe soon!! You're a strong woman, you can do this, hang in just a little longer!....:hugs:

Solsen, I agree, you are brave to be giving up the dummy.....we're lucky here, DD2 doesn't seem too attached to it (but there are times where it's a lifesaver).

AFU - progressing slowly on solids, she really needs to get into these because her feeds just aren't always satisifying enough, but because she's still adjusting to the new work routines, I'm only going very very slowly.

God, this whole balancing work and little bub thing is difficult - whoever said that the first week is the hardest lied!! :laughing:

Today Miss M has headed over to her Nan & Pops instead of them coming to our palce; only DH has just told me that she's been unsettled and crying for most of the morning because Pop was on the loo (Nan is out taking a friend to the DR).

I don't think I can do this, I've got visions in my head of something going terribly wrong while Pop is in the loo....like her younger adopted cousin who they sometimes look after accidently hurting her while trying to stop her from crying while Pop is unavailable....and I can't concentrate atm because I'm terrified that she won't get any sleep at all today and I just don't know what that's likely to do to her development (she already doesn't get enough sleep during the day even when home with me)..

Someone please convince me I'm paranoid and that everything will get better in a few weeks??? I'm failing miserably......

Hope you all have a great day - I'm off to try and find some work to distract myself....:)

[sweetseven]

KateJo I read another mothers journey on here to ultimately discovering her son was autistic. And one of the early hurdles she had was that he was lactose and soy intollerant, so she had a get a prescription only oil-based formula. Her screenname is SethandRuby'sMum.

janiceg Some brands of yoghurt have a baby variety. I've only seen it in smaller punnets. I'm not sure what the difference is, but just assume it is gentler for babies. I have the Vaalia brand, because I was given some free samples.

We picked up a bumbo yesterday, and the toddler is loving it. She sits in it and says "I'm a baby". Bubs had a few turns also and seems to sit well, but gets bored easily.

[gizmoduckus]

KateJo - Anything is worth a go when your little one is in so much pain. We tried so many different things with Liam until we finally found what worked for him.

When did you start the reflux meds for Zoe? It does take a few weeks before you will notice any difference because the damage the reflux has done has to heal first before everything gets better.

As for breast-feeding, I admire you so much for perservering. You are doing the best thing for her. However if you are feeling like you do want to give up, Liam has an intolerance to dairy and soy so he is on a presciption formula. So there are other options out there for you.

Floodprincess - :hugs: I am sure that it will get better for you.

As for me we have had a great few days. Liam has been more settled and content than he ever has been before so YAY FOR US!!!!

[megaminz]

well this is my first post in here cause between mum coming over, starting back at work, and just getting milan more settled time is flying away from me.

Kate I have to say you are doing so well with Miss Z. I know at times you are probably in tears and want to scream for her (and yourself) but I am sure that a solution is around the corner for her. Maybe in prescription formula?? I hope its soon anyway

AFM - My little monster is loving his solids, for his morning solid he has two tabs of raffertys rice cereal with pureed fruit (usually banana) and he cannot get enough of it. Usually has a wee scream between mouthfuls if we arent getting it to him fast enough. Then at his arvo solids he has pumpkin or kumara (sweet potato). I can't get over how he is eating. The mouth is open as wide as it can go and his little arms flap in excitment. We also havent had a constipated day since he started his solids either which is good.

Work is okay, had a bit of a tense first week where I just wanted to walk out but gotta remember its for a higher purpose. He starts daycare on 24th and they were really lovely. There are only 3 other babies in the nursery and they are all 3 months older than him and HALF THE SIZE!!!

anyway I had to sneak in for a quick post before I put my face on.

Keep well and Kate I am thinking of you beautiful lady

[A'sMummy]

KJ- :hugs: I hope your new diet is working wonders!! You are fantastic, Zoe is so lucky to have such a dedicated mum!:bee:

MM- Glad to hear your little man is going so well on solids! I am tempted to try Anya as she has been so unsettled lately, but not sure it is the right solution for her and also not sure if she is ready yet.

AFM- Anya is having terrible nights lately... I am talking waking between 4-9 times a night!! She is easily settled with a feed or dummy, but it is so draining getting up that often and then trying to wake up refreshed for work :( I am feeling so overwhelmed with work and Anya at the moment, I am not sure if I can get through it all without having a meltdown/nervous breakdown or make myself sick due to exhaustion. I am kinda coping ok atm, but am starting to think it's all going to hit me soon and I will come crashing down in a huge mess. I am not sure what to do about her sleeping habits... does anyone have any ideas? She has no problem settling, but doesn't stay asleep for sometime even an hour. I pop the dummy in (which she never used to even need mind you) and she goes back to sleep... for an hour again :hair:

[floodprincess]

A'sMummy.....:hugs: I know exactly how you feel! Monique has been doing the same thing, although I'm usually lucky enough to have her sleep from around 1900 through to about 0300 (most nights) before she starts the up & down.

It is incredibly draining when you're trying to get up for work...I've been hitting the sugary stuff quite hard in an effort to make the drive more bearable (2 hrs either way is getting sooo hard).

I've been trying Monique on solids, thinking that maybe she's getting hungry, and it has served to extend the sleep period, but I think the biggest problem is that she's just taking a while to adjust to me being back at work (after all it's only been two weeks)....I'm hoping that she'll calm down and adjust soon otherwise, like you, I'm gonna have a melt down!

I hope you work it out soon (if you manage a full night, let me know your secret??)

Kate, I hope you and Zoe are finding your balance again! You are such a strong woman, I would have given up by now!

MM, glad to hear that Milan is eating well and that you are coping (if only barely) with being back at work...

Anyway, best be off, need to prepare for the National Tsunami Exercise on Monday....take care everyone, have a great day and an even better weekend - anyone have exciting plans??

[quitecontrary]

Hello darlings!
Kate I'm hoping things continue to improve with the new food regime! You are doing so well!
FP, A'sMummy, MM (and any others who have returned to work) - I do hope things go well for you and your little ones - I can't even imagine how hard it would be.
MM I hear you on having a big bub - I saw a sweet little boy the other day who was a week older than T, and realised that we do have a giant at home!
All is well here. Toby grizzled and fed and cried and didn't want to sleep last night til about 9, then he slept through til 7am!! This is the second time he's ever slept through so I don't think this will stick, but maybe he'll get used to the concept before too long! Genevieve has also been sleeping til much closer to 7am, so thats been even better!

[gonnabeaGR8mum]

hi all,

good to hear from a few of you...we've missed you MM.

i can't imagine how you all are going back at work. Elianna's a pretty settled bub and is alright over night but i don't think i could manage it yet (although i suppose you do what you have to do right?)

FP and AM; Eli was doing the multiple wake up thing for a while a week or so ago, for a while i persevered with the dummy to settle- trying to stretch out her feeds but once i gave in and just fed her at the first sign of a grizzle i found she slept a lot longer (and after about 10 days of 2-3 feedings between 10pm and 5am she settled back down, so it seems it was just a growth spurt) If i waited for her to settle she would work herself up before feeding and she would end up with terrible wind and would be up and down all night. and if i tried to just give her the dummy i was up at least once an hour to put it back in. she now sleeps til about 4 or 5 o'clock before her first morning feed- and i have resigned myself to it, accepted it and moved on :Dall in all i'm only awake for a maximum of 30 mins for that first feed so i just get on with it and get back to bed for a few more hours shut-eye.

AFU Elianna is 4 months today (by dates) and for her present we took her for her 4 month needles :no:she was surprisingly good, pretty much ignored the first needle and had a little whimper at the second.... so much better than last time when she screamed so much she went purple and i couldn't settle her for a good 5 minutes :(she came home and slept from 9 til 11, had a feed and a play and was back in bed asleep at 1 (and still is) so i think the only side-effect is sleepiness, which is fine by me.

We are having Elianna's christening this weekend; i can't wait to have all my friends and family here for such a special occasion. My mum has made a beautiful gown that will now be the family christening gown to pass down through the generations, I’m lucky she's so clever cause there is no way i could make anything half as pretty. I've got Elianna a baby Pandora bracelet (so cute and tiny) and a few guests will be getting her charms for that which i think will be a lovely memento for her.

I was stuck for ages for a gift for the godparents but I've been learning how to use our new digital SLR camera and photo-shop to create a lovely composite of photos that we're having framed for the three godparents, so hopefully they'll appreciate them. i have a lot of baking and preparing to do before Sunday but i am remarkably calm for the moment (ask me again tomorrow lol)



anyway i guess i should go have lunch before the princess wakes up (i think soup is on order for such a cold day...have had the fire going since 10am:o)



take care
Love kath

[AnthonysMama]

KateJo I read another mothers journey on here to ultimately discovering her son was autistic. And one of the early hurdles she had was that he was lactose and soy intollerant, so she had a get a prescription only oil-based formula. Her screenname is SethandRuby'sMum.

janiceg Some brands of yoghurt have a baby variety. I've only seen it in smaller punnets. I'm not sure what the difference is, but just assume it is gentler for babies. I have the Vaalia brand, because I was given some free samples.

We picked up a bumbo yesterday, and the toddler is loving it. She sits in it and says "I'm a baby". Bubs had a few turns also and seems to sit well, but gets bored easily.


hey all ive been flat out all week so i will catch up and read all posts later but my sister suggested that we give ant some yoghurt as he has thrush and hates the nilstat that the dr gave us, he seems to love it although it says 6mths he seems fine with it.

i will sit down and reply more after dinner have a lovely night girls!

[Lateralus]

Hi All - it's been awfully quiet in here today... I had to double check that it wasn't a new month :laughing: Hope everyone is having a great weekend.

We went down to the sleep clinic yesterday and unfortunately I have to say that it wasn't really all that helpful. She slept worse with their settling techniques than she does usually - and because she slept $hit yesterday - she's been really over tired and grumpy today as a knock on affect. Pooh - oh well - hopefully we'll be able to get her back on track and I can tell you it will not be with the controlled crying techniques they were trying to sell us yesterday. I can understand the concept of how it works, but I don't think I am thick skinned enough to just let her cry.... Anyhow - despite an unsettled day yesterday and today, she actually slept reasonably well overnight so that is one big plus!

Another big bonus is that (presumably) as a result of this new high protein, high fat diet I am on, my milk supply seems to have been boosted significantly - to the point where I was able to express 150 mls AFTER she had a big feed. This has never been the case! Who knows, I might be able t start weaning off the Motilium tablets if it stays this plentiful! :D

We had a nice day today - DH's best friend and I sneakily organised for him to fly up for the day to surprise my DH who has been a bit down lately. I have just sent them off to the pub for a few beers and a bit of bloke time. We had a lovely lunch at the Currumbin SLSC - lovely view, great food, warm sun streaming in through the windows... I almost felt normal again :goodvibes:

[Seacretsquirrel]

Hey Kate - Sorry the sleep clinic wasn't the help you (and us all too) hoped it would be for Miss Z. Hopefully when you get back into your routine it will help. Fingers crossed she just settles into it finally :hugs:

Not much happening here Z has a cold (a lovely runny nose and a chesty cough) so I am managing to get both dimetapp and dimetapp cough medicine into her (I mix both with a little bit of water and bribe her to drink it with a jelly baby:rolleyes:) I have the snuffles too so I hope that I am not getting sick esp as DH is away till Sat.
R is doing okay but I am wondering about reflux - he is generally happy but has been really fussy with his feeds arching his back them coming back for another few sucks then back arching again. He has also bee crying in pain sometimes when he is lying flat on his back (nappy change usually) I am not really sure what it is as it is a new thing so Perhaps it is something I am eating... I have had a bit much chocolate since DH has been gone so I might have to stop that (will be better for the waistline too) Mum said that I had probs when she had too much protien in one day and I did have a fair bit the other day so that might be contributing too.
Anyway have to get Z into bed so I'll pop on later.

[quitecontrary]

SS I hear you with Miss Z with a cold, G had a disgusting one with the nose and the cough. Nothing like Nose Patrol on a toddler eh? At least G is a good little blower. I hope R is okay - T goes through irritable patches too, though not the back arching. Hope its just something you ate!
Kate glad to hear you had a lovely day with your "surprise" visitor, and you felt good too! I think the old definition of normal gets thrown away as soon as you fall pg, its great to occasionally feel it though! Sorry that the sleep clinic didn't seem much chop. Perhaps you and Zoe are candidates for residential help - but then again it seems the new regime for breast milk is doing wonders and that should help the whole settling thing.
Toby is sitting behind me in the bouncer chattering away. The only time he can get a word in is after G goes to bed! We lit the fire today for the first time ever (been in the house since G was born!) and it is lovely. T slept through til 4.30 this morning which was ace too.
Dinner awaits! Hope you're all having a great weekend!

[Seacretsquirrel]

QC - Z is a good blower too - apparantly that is unusual in a young toddler - usually they just blow through their mouths not their noses!

R had a really good feed tonight (3 sides) a clean nappy and jammies and is in bed now after falling asleep in my arms which seems to be the best place for the last settle of the day - he goes down fairly well the rest of the time but has been cat napping a bit lately but I am not sure if it has more to do with Z running into his room at the first grumble and yelling good morning (at all hrs of the day) and R is awake mum.... Gotta love her.

[AnthonysMama]

Hey girls i still havent had a chance to catch up on everything but i thought that i would jump on and see if anyone else is teething? a bit early i thought but DS has been whinging for the past three days and not his usual self, this afternoon DH told me to goto bed and sleep and when i woke up DS has cut his first tooth, im just hoping that it doesnt go back down, hes been using DHs finger as a teething device its very very cute to watch, anyways im off to try and clean the house a bit while DH and DS watch the wallabies vs italy, have a good night all!

[Purplebird]

Kate - sorry to hear about the sleep school. I really couldn't do the cc thing either. Great to hear about your amazing supply though and yay for feeling normal again :)

SS - I have also been wondering about reflux for Cameron for a while. He prefers to feed at night, refuses to feed in the day sometimes - screams, arches his back, vomits (small amounts, but its the digested stuff) and only catnaps during the day (now down to 30 min naps). After about midnight he only sleeps when he is next to me - he reaches his little hand out to check I'm there :rolleyes: Anyway, it sounds like Riley is doing the same with his feeds - it's horrible isn;t it? I've been in tow minds because Cam is such a happy chappy a lot of the time. Get well soon to you

QC - I love a real fire. I wish we had one.

Anthony'sMama - no teeth here yet. I hope your little man's tooth doesn't give him any more trouble.

A'mummy FP and MM - big hugs to you having to juggle work and young babies. It must be so very hard - I can't imagine. I was lucky enough to only work part time from when DD was 13 months and even then it was only for a year so I could get more mat pay.

In a bad mood tonight - the gardener we paid $1000 to has taken two of my nice ceramic pots and a lemon grass plant, a rosemary plant, a chive plant, a chilli plant and two large self watering pots. On top of that I also purchased an iphone form someone on another forum for $500 and a month later it isn't here. We've had emails back and forth and she maintains she posted it. Not happy Jan!

[Seacretsquirrel]

Anthony's Mama - no teeth here either - although I was wondering if that might be R's problem too - in addition to the back arching etc he has been dribbling heaps (but I remember Z doing the same at around this stage) but he has a really red sore bum too so who knows - must get some more nappy free time onto (or rather off of) that wee bum!

PB - Grr about your losses! Perhaps the postie is taking his sweet time though did she sned it as a package with a tracking number??? if so you can ring and check where the parcel is - I know I had a long wait for a parcel of Ebay once and it turns out roads were cut due to flooding so perhaps there is an explanation. As for the gardener I'd be ringing the company he works for and putting in a complaint!
With the vomiting how do you tell if its digested or not I can't remember R spews a bit but it is just milk sometimes a bit curdy but Z wasn't at all spewy (a little bit of posseting) and that was it and most of my GF with spewy bubs FF so it is different

off to bed for little old me so night night girls hope its a good one for us all. - Need a flying pig emoticon!!!!

[OneCheekyMonkey]

I am too far behind to think of posting personals, but I did skim through the posts and I am glad to hear that most bubs are going ok.

KJ - I admire you, hopefully the new diet will boost supply and make Miss Z more settled

D has been waking more frequently to feed the last week or so, it is very tiring so I have a new found respect for women who work and have kids.

GBAGM - I went to school with a kid who had OI, he was in constant pain and ended up in a wheelchair by the age of 15. He was a lovely bright kid though and had very dedicated parents. I do hope that everything works out well for your friend.

We haven't started with solids yet, I will give D small tastes but he doesn't seem to want more, he is gaining at an extrodinary rate as it is, so I just don't think he sees a need. Lol. Tubba gained 500 grams last week alone.

Here is a qu, tubba feeds more at night than during the day, is that usual? He seems to snack during the day but at night he will drain, or appear to drain, both sides. ???

[Seacretsquirrel]

OCM - 500g in one week wow!!!! go "boobies mook" (sorry thats what Riley has according to Zahlia - said with delight!) What does wee Dane weigh these days?
Riley has been a bit snacky during the day - sort of feeding a bit more frequently but not more at night though he is in bed about 6 ish but has been waking at 8 for a play and a big feed - I think he knows Zahlia is in bed and he'll have my undivided attention) and then that has been him through till 4-30 5 am ish which is great! Riley cluster feeds before he goes down at 6 too - he has a feed at 3.00 4.30ish and then just before he goes down at 6 and then the 8.30 one so I can live with that if I don't have to get up after that till 4 ish.

Anyhoo off to read peepo for the bazzilionth time and something else (cause I insist and I'd go nuts reading the same story over and over)

[quitecontrary]

SS got to love Peepo - thank goodness G only obsesses over the one book for about a week at a time! Oh yes, and I hear you on the "(insert name here)'s awake" being yelled at the top of the voice. Luckily our 1926 house has high door handles - G can't let herself in to give him a wakeup during the day.
Toby is doing his early evening muck around. He is having a bottle of ebm at the moment and I can hear him whinge. Tonights theory is he'll take this, go to sleep (he's tired of course) and I'll give him a nice big feed before I go to sleep. He seems to be over the 2am feed now - at least he hasn't had a midnight/1 or 2am feed for a few nights. The first morning one has moved around, 7am was the latest, 5 and 4 - so if I can string him out to 7 with a dream feed that would be just grand.

[JLeesmum]

hello, im still here! Jydens been keeping me very busy, had a growth spurt and was eating every 1.5 hours, but he seems to have snapped out of that now. now the issue is sleeping, he used to sleep 12 hours solid, but now is waking up 2-3 times and wont sleep longer than 20 mions during the day! i he has been really grizzly lately, not sure if its teeth (hes been drooling heaps) or if he want more than milk... so i gave milk a bottle last night with farex in in and he slept from 7am-2am which is abvit of an improvement......DP is back at work now (for the first time in 4 mionths) its nice that he got to know his son while he was a baby iykwim.. its gonna be diff for me now hes not here!! ok Jyden is awake, my 20 mins r up...ahhhhhhhhhhhhh i wish he would sleep longer!!!!!!!:no:

[BoyCrazy]

Anthony's Mama - no teeth here either - although I was wondering if that might be R's problem too - in addition to the back arching etc he has been dribbling heaps (but I remember Z doing the same at around this stage) but he has a really red sore bum too so who knows - must get some more nappy free time onto (or rather off of) that wee bum!



:wave: ive heard that apparently teething can give them a nasty bum rash. dont know how its related lol, but just thought id share!

AFU- jasper has started his solids, he loves banana and apple, has also cut his first tooth..has been waking during the night too (i feel like a zombie atm) so i put ut down to teething. they can start having the symptoms of teething for a month or so before the tooth actualy comes thru!! (yay..not)

anyways, someones awake from their nap, heres to good nights for us all!!

[Lateralus]

Goodness me - it seems maybe we did get something out of sleep clinic. They taught us to identify Zoe's early tired signs & to put her to bed immediately if we noticed any of those signes. So far today she's slept over night 'till 09:10 (with several feeds but straight back to bed) then 09:50-12:00, 12:55-2pm & 2:45 'till now. That must have been one tired little baby. Is it possible to let your baby sleep too much? She's had 5 feeds since midnight and wet nappies at each feed so she is getting enough to drink... They said at the sleep clinic that she might sleep a lot for the next week or two as she 'catches up' on lost sleep. I hope we weren't keeping her in a chronic state of sleep deprivation :confused: I can't believe she's slept so much though. I kinda miss her when she sleeps so much :bee:

[BoyCrazy]

great news kate! what were the signs that they told you to look for? are you wrapping her for sleep?

[janiceg]

kate that's great!
dd has about 5 naps a day (6am-6pm) and they last from 1-2 hours.
AND last night she slept 6pm-4am without a dream feed or anything! and then had a quick feed and back to sleep til 6.30am!
it's a great feeling when you finally get your little one 'figured out' isn't it?!

ok girls, i have a heap of questions!
dd also loves her solids! especially homade applesauce! she loves to eat and i find myself limiting the amount because i feel like she would eat forever if i let her!
for breakfast she had 2tbsp of rice cereal and half a banana!! isn't that too much? and i think she would have kept eating if i offered!

she's been sucking on her fingers and biting them like it's her job! is this another teething sign?

anyone else have a jolly jumper? dd is loving hers and sqeals every time she's in it..it's hillarious!

and finally, who is still wrapping their bub? is there a time when we're supposed to stop or wean them?

ok..enough questions for one night! sorry for the blab!

[quitecontrary]

Kate well, yay for recognising tired signs. Toby usually naps several times a day for at least (usually) an hour or two ie today he was up around 7, back to bed 8.30 til 10.30, then 12 til 3 (we went to the park and both kids slept and slept this afternoon) then little naps (we went to G's swimming class) til 7 and he's in bed now though he is making noise. My Mum always (and I mean always) says babies can sleep 20 hours a day - they are growing so much and there's so much brain development going on.
Janice T has his hand/fingers in his mouth a lot these days, G had hers in her mouth from day one and only stopped when she got teeth (bang on 6 months for her). We only stopped swaddling when she started crawling then we swapped to grobags. Both my sisters wrapped their kids even longer. I don't want to try the jolly jumper until T can sit up. As for food, G wasn't keen on the stuff for ages - ask your baby health clinic what the guidelines are, I think they said to keep feeding them til they stop eating but it was a couple of years ago now. I used to give G apple puree in natural yoghurt - I suppose too much fruit could give a bub a tummy ache.

Well, as you can tell we've had a busy day. I always think Mondays are quiet days for us til I remember the swimming class! I've been thinking about changing G's lesson time but it was pointed out to me by another mum who has her 2 year old in G's group and a bub that is 2 weeks younger than Toby - there is a mums and bubs class before G's so perhaps we should keep it as is and make sure we get in that class with Toby.
My dreamfeed experience was a bit kind-of useless as T decided to wake up crying (he usually just makes noise, even when he's hungry) at 2 so he got a feed then anyway. I should just try to get to bed earlier to make the most of the long early stretch. I think he's a child who doesn't actually need the 2am feed so the sooner he kicks it for good the better.

[readytogo]

Thought I'd pop in and say Hi
Ive been lost in my world of cloth nappies and back at work on nights so not having fun!
DD isnt interested in solids but everything else in arms reach is either soggy or crusty!

[megaminz]

I am jealous of those who have good nappers, Milan still isn't the best sleeper, although he is heaps better on his solids. He just wakes at 3am now and is on and off since then. He isn't hungry as at 7am when we give him a bottle he isn't really interested. He probably wantsa dummy but it doesnt stay in his mouth and that just makes him worse. I dont know why he can sleep from 7-3am fine and then 3am is awake and painful?!?

Janice

for breakfast she had 2tbsp of rice cereal and half a banana!! isn't that too much? - I dont think its too much, Milan had that the other day and would have had more also. But at the same time if he doesnt feel like much one day or isnt hungry he just doesnt eat it. He had half a cup of pumpkin for dinner on sunday plus bottle and last night only wanted 1/3 cup...so I think they know.

she's been sucking on her fingers and biting them like it's her job! is this another teething sign? I have been told its teething and can also be a desire for solids thing...so who knows. I would go with teething cause we give Milan solids and he still stucks on his hands...although no as much. He is teething bad, we wrap a bit of melon or banana or something in a square of muslin and let him chomp on that. he loves it

anyone else have a jolly jumper? we have one but havent been using it as was told not to use it til 9months for developmental reasons...another thing I think that varies from kid to kid though. Milan is big and strong and would happily stand in it whereas another baby his age may not. its all too hard all this advice.

and finally, who is still wrapping their bub? I stopped wrapping him a week or so ago. He just is so big that cant get enough of a wrap on to keep his arms in> we were wrapping him so his fists were up round his face to suck on, he wouldnt do arms down anymore. but now he is in a sleep sack and to be honest his sleeping is no different.

ASM milan is a rolling king now, its a concern as we have NO carpet and he is often doing a log roll, front to back to front or viceversa, so quickly he kinda clunks his head on teh floor cause he rolls right off his rugs!!! he is also really trying to crawl, arms and legs doing right things just not in time together so he gets really frustrated.

How long once they are trying does it take for it to happen?? I am not ready for my little man to crawl just yet

[Seacretsquirrel]

Morning Ladies!

Well we have had an interesting few days it seems.
Yippee to you Kate for recognising tired signs it makes such a difference! I am not sure they can sleep too much (unless you are constantly having to wake for feeds) I was concerened about that the other week and asked mum she said my sister and I slept heaps and to just enjoy it when they do cause it changes all too soon.
As for wrapping we never wrapped Riley so not an issue for him but I am sure the MCHN said something about stopping at around 4 months with Zahlia (not sure why)

Not doing solids here either (trying to hold off till 6 months like I did with Z but we'll see) MM you are right they stop when full but it is reccommended at this age the bottle or boobie is given first (that food is fun till 1 thing - BM or formula makes up the bulk of the nutrition and the solids are mainly for the experience and getting used to food etc)
Riley is dribbling like a champ I am keeping an eye out for teeth but I am pretty sure Z got all dribbly about now too and she got her first tooth bang on 6 months too.
Riley is rolling front to back and back to front too which is great but it caused a trip to emergency yeaterday after (silly me) popped him on the front seat of the car so I could change his car seat straps (I have been trying to get DH to do it for a couple of weeks and I thought I'd do it quickly and be done) but R decides to roll off the front seat of the 4x4 and onto the concrete :eek::crying::o not good so off to emergency to get him checked out but I think he landed on his bum rather than his head as he has not a mark on him and was fine as far as the Drs list of things to look for (no vomiting or anything) I feel like such an awful mum and it is extra tough cause Paul isn't here either - I paniced a bit when the Drs said that there was a chance of keeping him in overnight cause I have noone to leave Zahlia with - the only person she has stayed overnight with is mum. But luckily they thought he seemed fine and sent us home with a list of things to look out for just incase but he seems fine and is eating and sleeping and doing all the rest normally thank goodness...

We have DH's best make staying with us for a bit which is nice - a tiny bit strange having a man in the house that isn't DH esp when he isn't here - But he is lovely and it was nice to have an adult to talk too for the first time in over a week! anyhoo I better go hope you all have a good day and I'll catch up again soon.:wave:

[sweetseven]

Sorry ladies I haven't been talking much. Bub keeps coming into my bed at night, and thus I haven't been sleeping well. Last night she went to sleep, but only stayed in her cot for half an hour before waking and demanding attention. After a nappy change it was into bed with me ('cause I wasn't staying up any longer since it was 1:45am).

We have a jolly jumper, that my toddler used to love when she was a baby, but this bub doesn't seem too keen on it. She's tried it a few times with little interest. It is probably time to give her another go though. (However not normally something I think of when overtired.)

The bumbo is working out alright, and she is happy to sit in it for a little while, and when she is not, the toddler loves to have a turn.

[gizmoduckus]

KateJo -:smiliedance: Good to hear about Zoe sleeping better
megaminz - As with everything else, it is different for every baby for when they start crawling. DS1 and my friends little boy both started doing this when they were this age. DS1 started crawling at 5 months and my friends little boy was crawling at 8 months. It is just so hard to tell.
Seacretsquirrel - :hugs: It must of been so scary for you. I am so glad that he is alright. We did something similar when DS1 was a baby and I remember what it feels like. You are not a horrible mother, you just made a mistake.
Janiceg - I agree with SS about the solids. As long as your bubs is having their milk first instead of the solids then it doesn't matter how much they want to eat. Just make sure that you give your bub the solids pretty close after their milk feed so that you don't compromise their next feed. Milk is so much more important at this age.

AFM - We all have colds which I am so over. Just don't have the energy to do anything.

Liam isn't rolling yet but it might be the fact that he doesn't like being on his back for long periods of time because of his reflux. He also hates being on his back in the pram so he is already sitting at the bottom of our P&T pram.

We also have a jolly jumper but we only have used it a handful of times. Liam doesn't really do much in it except spin around. Not like DS1 who was jumping like mad the first time we put him in it at 4 months.

I have to try and stop comparing Liam to DS1 in terms of milestones. My DS1 was a bit of a freak with how early he did everything and I keep wondering when Liam is going to start. It is just strange having two completely different babies.

[zephani]

Hello Ladies,

Well we are back from Melbourne. It was a long exhausting but good trip. Katherine got to meet her grandparents and her great grandmother. She travelled amazingly well in the car. I'm so proud of her!

Since we've been back its been like we've got the plague. People from my Mother's group asked me to stay away this week because they had heard the NSW Health warning that if you return to NSW after visiting Greater Melbourne you should quarrantine yourself in your house for a week. Katherine has to have her injections tomorrow and I hope the Dr says we are free to go out because she is due to start swimming lessons on Saturday.

AntMum We thinking that Katherine is starting to teeth. You can see white lumps at the bottom of her gums and she is constantly sucking on her hands. Also when she is holding on your finger she tries to pull your finger into her mouth.

OCM I hear you about having a larger baby. Katherine has gained 1.5kg in the last month. In fact she now doesn't sit on the growth charts for height or weight.

Is anyone else like this? Cause I am starting to get concerned. She doesn't look fat, just long. She is 4 months old today and is nearly 70cm long.

janiceg Katherine loves her solids as well! She has two tablespoons for breakfast and two tablespoons for dinner. So I don't think you are offering her too much. We have tried Rafferty's Garden Rice Cereal, pumpkin and carrot. We have the problem that she won't take her milk first she will only take her solids first. I'm not planning to offer Katherine anymore yet. As I mentioned above I am concerned about her size.

We don't have a jolly jumper. We were planning to get one but the physio at baby group, the one who talked about bumbos, said that jolly jumpers can be bad for them. She that they shouldn't be used constantly. No more than 10 minutes at a time and no more than 30 minutes a day. She said make sure that their feet can touch the ground properly other wise they can learn to walk on their toes.

We stopped wrapping Katherine this week because we are finding it hard to find wraps big enough for her. She has been going down at night and during the night all without being wrapped.

Well little miss has decided to wake from her nap...so I should go and see why she is grizzling...

Have a great day!

[BoyCrazy]

as for the wrapping thing..not to sure when you are "supposed" to stop, but have heard when they start to crawl is a good time.

also i found jasper wouldnt fit his wraps, so i use a cot sheet, one of the flannelette top sheets (works exactly the same as a wrap) :thumbsup:

ss- glad that riley and you are ok :hugs: that wouldve been so scary for you!

zephani- jasper is 68cms already, very long, just remember all babies are different. i dont think u have anything to worry about!

back later need to get mr down for a nap.

[quitecontrary]

Zeph if you did want to keep wrapping Katherine how about using a sarong? At tresillian they teach you how to wrap a bub in a single bed sheet!! My little sis had to do this with her dd as she got bigger and being wrapped was still working.
SS oh darling, that must've been such an awful shock for you all. I'm glad Mr R is fine. Nothing like that dash to the hospital with a child with a head injury. Take care of yourself - glad to hear you have some company this week!!
On the subject of sleeping babies, T just napped for about 4 hours! For a lad who usually feeds every two hours during the day it was a marathon. True to form he is just chatting away in there but I think the cries might start to happen in a minute.

[floodprincess]

Evening Ladies!!

Kate - glad to hear something appears to be working....hope it continues for you!

SS - that would have been a shock! I'm so happy that all is well.

AFU - we've been travelling fairly well so far! DD2 is eating heaps, I've had to start comping her feeds with formula because she takes 210 - 220 ml feeds per go and I'm only managing to express around 170 whilst at work (that's probably because it's an express) but she's enjoying it.

Our solids journey is slowly progressing, she doesn't like plain farex, so I tried her on potato....OMG what a piggy! She loves her spud. So far we're only giving her solids of an evening because mornings are still a bit odd and I don't think she really needs it yet (she's been sleeping much better as a result).

As for wrapping - I have no idea when to stop or why....DD1 hated being wrapped so this is a new thing for us, we've been using normal wraps with no dramas (becuase DD2 is a squidge) but I know ppl whose kids are toddlers and they still wrap them at night. A GF told me the other day her 6 & 3 yr olds still sleep with their wraps (they're not wrapped but they still have them there).

Gotta rush - DD1 is arguing with all and sundry and they're going to wake DD2 if I don't stomp heads...

[quitecontrary]

Just a quick yay for Toby - he rolled today as he actually was given some time on the rug!!

[floodprincess]

Yay for Toby QC.....

We're waiting for Monique to do the same thing, she came close the other night after her bath, but still no salami....oh well, she'll get there in the end!

[AnthonysMama]

Hello Ladies finally i have five minutes to update and catch up, i just read everyones posts, wow everyone has been busy as, SS i know the feeling of bubs rolling and hitting the ground my heart sank too when it happened, i kept telling dh that he couldnt sleep cause he was concussed and that his brain was going to swell and when hes got retardeness later on life ill be the blame, but ds was smiling his little face off (that was after the inital scream and shock had worn off)..

Ant is still not rolling hes only just stopped screaming everytime we put him on his tummy for tummy time, yesterday when we put him down he actually fell asleep, hes just a lazy bugger he prefers to lie on his back with his bits and pieces around him he loves those link together chains he grabs hold of them and plays quite happily (thats where he is right now and listening to pink of all things!)

Hes got him self into his own little routine but still doesnt sleep that much during the day, he wakes up at about 6.30 but is quite content to either get into bed with me and doze back off or watch baby einstein until 8am then at about nine he wants to be fed, he has vaalia yoghurt and fruit puree mixed together and then a bottle, he'll go back down at about 10 for about half an hour, then he will get up and play until about 11 when he has another bottle which he drinks half of, by 1 he wants lunch which is normally half a jar of baby veges, he then has the other half of the bottle, by this time hes about ready to have another nap, sleeps until about 3 if im lucky, wakes up in time with daddy gettting home, plays with dh for a while has a full bottle, at about 6 he has dinner and a tad bit of a bottle, we bath him and he tends to stay up a bit with us by 8pm hes having the rest of the bottle and then by about 9 hes in bed for the night.

he loves his food this boy!!

is anyone else in a routine yet, i would like him to get more sleep but hes just not a sleepy baby i guess...

oh well its bottle time hes calling my name it goes by the sound of ohh ohhh waaaaa

talk soon girls!

[sweetseven]

With about a week in between, she had her second solid meal yesterday - about 50g yoghurt. And I was able to get her to sleep in the cot last night. She got up for a couple of hours at midnght, but went back down at 2am.

Problem was, I wasn't able to get back to sleep myself, and didnt manage until 5:15am.

Two massive poos today also, and she's been well settled.

Perhaps the solids are good for her. It just doesnt seem that she wants them very often.

[Lateralus]

who was it who was talking about weaning their bub off the dummy? I have a feeling it was Solsen? How'd did you go? How did you do it? Anyone else have any hints or tips how to wean Bub from the dummy? Zoe has started to spit hers out very frequently over night then yell for it to be put back in. She cried every 40 minutes the other night :sleeping: That's not on! SO - we were thinking that the dummy has to go, but we're wondering if there is a more gradual way of weaning it than just going cold turkey?

Hope everyone is keeping warm.. I have just sent DH out to buy us some oil heaters as the little blow heater just isn't cutting it (plus I hate to think what it's doing to the power bill!!)
:sunshine:

[AnthonysMama]

hey kate, ant has gone right off his dummy ever since he started teething we try and give to him but he pushes it out and refuses to take it, so im keeping them for the time being but lets hope that he has gone off of them all together!

i'll check back in sometime later tonight

be good girls

[OneCheekyMonkey]

SS - How scary about Riley, am so glad that he was ok and how lucky he landed on his bum. D is about 9 kilos and about 66 cm long. I tried to measure him myself the other day but he was wiggling and giggling and I am sure it is quite far from accurate.

His 0s are too short in the crotch now, and too small in the neck (cant do the top popper up). So yeah, off shopping again. This growth rate CANNOT last else he will be in size 5s by the end of the year !!!

Anyone elses bub get scared about 4 months? Things frighten D now like me sneezing, me dropping something and he cries. Before he would startle but not cry. I was wondering whether it was a developmental thing.

Hope everyone else is ok, I have had a friend and her 3 month old stay the past 2 weeks and OMG I am tired. THe bubs are on totally different sleep schedules which I found really quite difficult. Yawn. I need a few weeks to catch up on sleep. Me = sleep defecit.

[quitecontrary]

OCM aren't you good having friends to stay! More to the point friend with baby! I would imagine that would be tiring - probably more so than having two yourself in some regards.
From experience with my mothers group - the babies that were really long and big seemed to slow down with the growth thing - in fact most of the bubs that were markedly bigger than G are now the same size.
There is really good website from SA health (I think) that gives developmental stages really clearly, I remember looking at it re: what they call Golden weeks ie when bubs start to cry more. So, google 16 weeks development!
Oh dummy weaning - G was never too big on them as a little diddle, but we didn't get rid of them and still haven't. Our baby health sister said to take them out once the bub has gone to sleep (which we used to with G if she didn't just spit it herself, and T is a great dummy spitter) neither of the kidlets have woken wanting them in the night. We have found them a lifesaver when travelling - everywhere!! Planes, trains, cars and sleeping in strange places - interstate, intrastate and overseas. Just so handy to be able to give the bub some comfort apart from the breast. Especially when they stop breastfeeding! So I'm a bit of a "keep it in case" kind-of person it seems.
All is well here. T is rolling when he gets the chance. He's started holding on to the breast and sometimes having a good squeeze, its really quite funny but can be a bit ouchy with his short but sharp nails! He thinks he'd like to sit up but isn't really up to it - also amusing to watch!
Dh and I were talking about holidays - it seems he wants to go to Bali in October. I said lets see how we go with the two kidlets to Cairns first! I'm so looking forward to our holiday!!!

[Seacretsquirrel]

OCM - I agree you are brave with having a house guest with a bubs but I am sure you enjoyed the company too!

Kate - With Z we slowly stopped giving her the dummy first to go was the overnight because these seemed to be the sleeps that she'd settle with out it - mainly cause she was up fed and put back to bed (no nappy change unless it was a pooey one) then the day selleps went and finally the going to bed- With R though he seems to be much more awake during the night feeds and is still pooing at most feeds so by the time we get through the feeds and changes he is more awake and is needing the dummy to settle I am trying to cut it out at the day sleeps at the moment but it is hard cause Z frets when R is upset (so does DH for that matter) so letting him cry for a few minutes is extra hard cause I have to prevent Z taking him his dummy - Not CC but just seeing if he'll settle on his own for about 2 mins before taking in the dummy. Not really working jsut yet but I am trying as I'd like to be rid of the dummy by 6 months like we did with Zahlia. We'll see how that goes.

QC Riley does the breast squeezing thing too or he'll push up my top so it is away from his face which is funny too.

AFU - We have DH's bestfriend staying wilth us (until he gets a job and finds a place to live) so I am enjoying the adult company but it is a bit odd having him here as we have never spent any time together without DH here (actually I have really only seen him a few times since we have been together) but he is a lovely guy and really easy to get along with so that makes it easier.
Z is still crook - on antibiotics so hopefully on the improve soon.
And finally mr R - He is rolling like a champ (both ways) whci is becoming a bit of a pain at night cause he rolls onto his back looses the dummy and can't get it back and won't roll back onto his tummy either so I go in to him grinning up at me! He is still munching on everything within reach and is alot more aware of what is going on he watches Z with delight as she potters around him (he is currently lying on his mat staring adoringly up at her - either just at his big sis or he is eying off her toast:laughing:)

anyhoo better get on with our day - I am spraying macaroni and penne pasta with food colouring to make some stuff for Z to thread. hopefully if she is busy with that I might get the couple of craft things done - I bought some off the page stuff (two boxes for Riley -one with a lid and one without - and a really cute handbag shaped one for Zahlia to put her hairties and clips into).
have a good day all!:thumbsup:

[debplus3]

Hi there my long lost bub-hub mummies!!

It seems an etenity sice I posted or even read anything on this thread. I promise to catch up over the next few weeks.

Just wanted to say hello and that things are starting to calm down here now. It has been nothing short of a crazy 4 months with one thing happening after another!!

I really look forward to catching up on all your news.
We are off the the beach tomorrow for a few days away. I love going to the beach in the winter, not good for swimming by lovely for walks and playing on the sand.
Hope you and your lovely families are doing well.

Deb xo

[parentingrocks]

hi everyone

been ages since I have posted too, just been so busy and keep forgetting to jump online.

Kate - I went cold turkey on the dummy and it didn't really work (sort of did) but the day after she had her immunisations and then a week later started her on some farax and she was a bit unsettled by it all (she didn't like the faraz at all) so I started to need it to get her to sleep when she was so miserable.. So I now have reduced it again to only use it when I am out and about (to avoid the embarrasing outbursts in public!) and thats sort of it... at home I make a conscious effort to not use it at all now.. just depends if I think she needs it.. I certainly don't just put it in her mouth for no reason anymore.

well AFM, my grandpa died on Friday and the funeral is tomorrow and I have to do a speech on behalf of all the grandchildren. Pretty daunting considering he is the first person I've known to die and I've never been to a funeral before - WISH ME LUCK I'LL NEED IT!
I'm finding Charli a lot more of a handful recently because she is awake so much more than the last few months - obviously I understand she will need to sleep less and less as she grows up, but now she only sleeps for 30mins-1hour between each feed, so that is A LOT of entertaining her while she is awake. ITS HARD WORK! I'm really missing her sleeping 1.5-2hours between each feed, where have those days gone???!!
Still no teeth here but I'm sure they are coming.
I am SO OVER breastfeeding so have been thinking about weaning. Just introced 1 bottle in the afternoons to see how she goes.. just keeping an eye on her poo's (to make sure she does some!) to make sure it doesn't play havock with her digestive system.. sorry to all those BF'ing lovers out there - I feel like 4.5 months is long enough for me and its time to try formula slowly but surely. I want my nipples back and I can't believe my boobs have gone from youthful and perky to f'n flat pancakes!! Its so depressing!! :laughing::crying::laughing:

[sweetseven]

Yikes, OneCheekyMonkey, that is one big baby. My little girl is only just growing out of 000 now (they currently fit her perfectly) and transitioning into 00.

Solsen, dont be sorry to anyone about your choices on how to feed your baby. You need to do what is best for the both of you. There is no need to justify your choices to outsiders.

I'm afraid I have been really slack with tummy time, not giving it to her near as often as I should. (Averaging about once a week. :shame:)

She slept in her cot most of last night, yay!

[zephani]

BM I've heard that you should stop wrapping them when they can roll over because with their arms wrapped up they don't have the strength to lift themselves up.

SS I'm so glad that R is ok. What an ordeal for you.

KJ We've never had a dummy. We decided against one for the exact reasons that you were talking about.

OCM I'm so glad to hear that someone else has a big baby. Katherine is 69cm and 9kgs. I have washed all her 0's and will be putting her 00's away as they get to tight. I agree about the growth rate slowly down! We'll have to have another girl next time just so Katherine's clothes can be worn more than once.

Solsen I'm so sorry to hear about your grandfather. I'm sure you will go fine with the speech.

Tiera3 Don't stress about tummy time. We had been slack on that too. We've been trying to rectify this and are amazed by Katherine's development with rolling. She is also trying to sit up and gets annoyed with herself when she can't do either. She is making progress though.

AFU One of my good friends mother's died yesterday. They are not sure why so there has to be an investigation and an autospy. Hopefully we will get to the funeral but it is five hours drive away and we've only just come back from our trip to Melbourne.

Katherine is loving her food. She doesn't like carrot as much as she likes pumpkin. Today for breakfast she had pumpkin, broccoli and organic rice cereal. She LOVED it! We just have to make sure that she is well hydrated otherwise her poos are a little hard.

I made 12 containers of mashed food last night and put in the freezer. I also caught up on the dishes and half of the washing. I know this doesn't sound like a big acheivement but my DH does all the housework in our house not me. So for me it is a BIG achievement.

Anyway Miss K has started to grumble so I should go attend to her. Have a good night all.

[Lateralus]

Solsen :hugs: sorry to hear about your Grandpa - hope all goes well with the speech. Oh, and 4.5 months of breast feeding is an awesome achievement! Like tiera3 said, no need to apologise to anyone for your BF decisions!

[ardora]

Hello!

Well, it has been a while since my last post as I have been really busy. I have tried to read all posts but they are now kind of mixed in my head and cannot remember enough for personals... only SS and the incident with R! scary!! I am so glad that nothing happened in the end!! and it seems that things are going better for Kate, I am really happy for you! And kids rolling over and back... wow!! it seems that they were born only yesterday!!

G is very alert and rolls from tummy to back but not the other way around... he is trying as we speak but is stuck on his side :D He is also very vocal and loves 'talking' and laughing out loud, he has the cutest chuckle!! He started day care two days a week and has been great there smiling and charming everyone there. That means that I am back at work two days a week and I love it!! As much as I love being with him all day, I was really missing using my brain and being ME with people talking to ME about things other than babies... :o We are also exercising twice a week and loving it.... although this week I am sick and so we cannot go... I just hope that G does not get the cold from me!!

G is still putting weight slowly but he is a long slim baby- he is using 00s but only narrow ones, there are some brands that are just too wide for him, and it looks like he is in some kind of sleeping bag... I remember now, OCM and Zeph... big babies!!! impressive!!! I will check G's weight today but the last time I checked, on 3.5 months he was something like 6.15 Kg and I would be surprised if he reaches 6.5Kg today.

Well, enough talking about ourselves... just one more thing! his reflux is really improving and he seems to spew less often :fingerscrossed::fingerscrossed:

Have a great day! :goodvibes:

[zephani]

My four month old baby girl isn't a baby anymore :no:

She is:

* wearing size 0 clothes...they are loose around her tummy but she needs them for the length

* uses toddler nappies...again loose around her tummy but she was filling up her crawler nappies and wetting her sleeping bag during the night

* is eating solids...two tablespoons...twice a day

* starts swimming lessons tomorrow...reminds me I have to try on my swimmers today

* gymbaroo next week

* loves talking and staring at her hand...DH is a littler concerned with how much she watches her hand

* is slowly learning to roll over...and when she is laying on her back you can watch her lifting her head up trying to sit up

AND

* today we had to turn her carseat round to forward facing...she's now to heavy to be rear facing

Where have the last four months gone!

[floodprincess]

:wave: Ladies!!

Good to hear that things are improving for most of us! :hugs: to those still experiencing big challenges (life with kiddies is always challenging, sometimes more than others though).

Well, it's been a big week - babies rolling, chuckling, being turned from rear to front, into 00 & 0's...wow the list goes on!!

I've got to keep reminding myself that it's not really healthy to compare development of my baby to others - each bub goes at their own pace...but I can't help it :o Miss Monique still isn't rolling, she's kinda getting there (when she's got the right motivation, like not being able to see who's talking or see the TV), she's only just starting to grow out of 000's (my petite miss) and I haven't heard a chuckle or giggle yet!

Ahh well, she's happy and healthy so I guess that's the main thing. She's always talking and is constantly trying to sit up so I guess that kinda makes up for it.

We're moving slowly forwards with solids, she's currently woofing down a whole chat potato a night (the little spuds that is), going to try her on pumpkin this weekend. Have been debating trying her on some farex again for a morning bolster (she didn't like the plain farex originally, but I don't want to give her potato twice a day) - any ideas? I didn't have this problem with DD1, she LOVED farex.

Anyways, enough rabbiting, I'm in search of ideas for naming ceremonies - have decided that I want a naming ceremony for Monique, and I'm going to do one for Tiffani at the same time (and appoint her as a special friend and guide for Monique)....I don't have the foggiest idea where to start, don't suppose anyone has suggestions for this?

Have a good weekend ladies, I'm going to brave the cold with the girls tomorrow and go see what Feral Fest (a.k.a. Winter Magic Festival) has to offer....wish me luck!!

[OneCheekyMonkey]

My four month old baby girl isn't a baby anymore :no:

She is:

* wearing size 0 clothes...they are loose around her tummy but she needs them for the length

* uses toddler nappies...again loose around her tummy but she was filling up her crawler nappies and wetting her sleeping bag during the night

* is eating solids...two tablespoons...twice a day

* starts swimming lessons tomorrow...reminds me I have to try on my swimmers today

* gymbaroo next week

* loves talking and staring at her hand...DH is a littler concerned with how much she watches her hand

* is slowly learning to roll over...and when she is laying on her back you can watch her lifting her head up trying to sit up

AND

* today we had to turn her carseat round to forward facing...she's now to heavy to be rear facing

Where have the last four months gone!

Same !!! Mine is in size 1 clothes, he has a very long body to leg ratio (like me) so 0s do not do up under his bum.

We are about to buy toddler nappies as the crawler are getting a little tight around his waist.

Thankfully my carseats rear face to 12 kilos, so I am hoping a few more months rear facing.

He can sit, briefly, but is not yet rolling much. He can roll, but for some weird reason he just doesn't. I am wondering whether it is because he is gaining weight so readily that he is simply too fat to roll himself? Like he learns to roll, then gains .5 kg, then has to relearn?

He is also getting a REALLY WEIRD HAIRLINE. Lol. I am going to post pics later on facebook. He likes to toss and turn his head from side to side as he self settles, and he is literally wearing away a line from ear to ear ! it looks soooo odd. The hair ear length and under is nice and thick, but that line is almost bald. Weird boy.



GBAGM how is your friend who just got the dx of OI?

[zephani]

FP DD prefers Rafferty's Garden Organic Baby Rice Cereal to Farex. To stop it being so bland I mix in a tablespoon of veges. This morning she had 1 tablespoon of cereal and 1 tablespoon of mixed pumpkin and broccoli.

OCM I LOVE reading your posts!! Makes me feel like I'm not alone with a big baby!!

DD does the same thing when settling and has a bald patch where she has worn away the hair. When I get her up in the morning I can actually see hair on her cot sheet.

[AnthonysMama]

Hey all, just popped in to see what you are all up to,




He is also getting a REALLY WEIRD HAIRLINE. Lol. I am going to post pics later on facebook. He likes to toss and turn his head from side to side as he self settles, and he is literally wearing away a line from ear to ear ! it looks soooo odd. The hair ear length and under is nice and thick, but that line is almost bald. Weird boy.


Our DS had that for quite a few weeks as well so bad that he was wearing a beanie whenever we went anywhere because he had the little old man hair do going on now its coming back through he looks like he has a fluffy crew cut with it long at the back i was considering getting it cut but my mil, dh and my mother all agreed that they would break my arms and legs if i did, ahhh they can be like a pack of wolf dogs at times!!!

Ant finally started to try and roll last night he can get on his side from his back but that is it, he has no intention at all from rolling from his tummy to his back at this stage the lazy bugger, went to my inlaws for dinner last night and they are astonished at how much he can eat, he polished off half a jar of chicken and sweet corn and then had some raffertys garden pear banana and mango.(we have also discovered that Ds is allergic to apple as i was as a child came out in a rash on his tummy and neck just after he had eaten it so i will be avoiding it from now on!)

my niece had her 6 week shots on wednesday and spent all day in hospital yesterday she came out with a rash and the runs and vomiting poor little bugger.

AFM im back off to the drs today i still havent managed to stop my saga of bleeding,(even after the curette in may) DH told me last night the only way he can see to stop it is to start trying for bub #3 i told him i that of course that would be his cure but my body would like some me time to be somewhat normal again!

anyhows id better be off to get ready i have a massive day night tonight my brother is building a custom chopper for ed hardy and he is having his stage one release tonight i hope that Dh and Ds cope without me for the night

hugs to all

Kalliope

[floodprincess]

Thanks Zeph - might give it a try (after we try the pear & banana flavoured farex)...lol

As for the hair thing - that's common, because babies at this age still spend a lot of time on their backs, they wear away a patch/patches on their heads as they turn to look at everything!

Monique has this bald patch right on the back of her head which is really amusing because the hair below is nice and straight (and quite long), the hair above (on her crown) is this wonderful curl that spikes after a bath, and she's only just starting to regrow the hair on the top of her head (after it all fell out when she was about 4 weeks old)...soo funny!

[A'sMummy]

Hi All!
Sorry I havent posted in awhile, I have been so busy with work. I have been keeping up to date with all your goings on though. So exciting that our bubs are now all starting to roll (or atleast try), some are starting solids and love to have a chat and giggle!! :yelclap: Makes life such fun doesn't it?!
Well no news is good news here I suppose. Anya seems to be going along well. Back to 3 wake ups a night which is a tad annoying and tiring but she settles well after a feed. We have her 4 month check up on Monday, I can't wait to see how she has grown!! I think she will be almost 7kg.
We have started farax, but just one teaspoon at 6pm mixed with milk. She loves it, but I am hesitant to give her too much as I want her to keep her belly full on milk.
She is in mainly 00 now but I think she will be moving to 0's in a few weeks. She has rolled a few times but rather enjoys laying on her side instead of flipping all the way over.
I am looking forward to a quiet weekend with no thoughts of work! I need to catch up on some sleep.
Hope all you ladies have a lovely weekend too. Take care!

[Lateralus]

We have started farax, but just one teaspoon at 6pm mixed with milk. She loves it, but I am hesitant to give her too much as I want her to keep her belly full on milk.

Hi A'sMummy - to avoid her filling up on farex - do you give her a milk feed before her farex? That way she fills up on the milk and has the farex as a treat at the end?

[A'sMummy]

KJ- yep sure do, she has a full bottle feed at 5.30pm then the farax at 6pm ;) So far it's working well

[zephani]

I have a question for the FF mummy's that have started their bubs on solids.

DD has been on solids for nearly 3 weeks and has two tablespoons at breakfast and two at dinner.

The thing is the last few days she has only been having four bottles. She has them roughly 3am, 9:30am, 1:30pm and 6:30pm. Her bottles are 220ml and most times she drinks them all.

Has anyone else had bubs that are cutting down there formula once starting solids.

Do you think her four bottle is enough?

I've been following the following equation...

9kg * 120ml / 4= 270ml

By that I should be putting her bottles up...but I don't think she'd drink anymore...

[A'sMummy]

Zeph- I struggle to get Anya to drink anymore than 110ml per feed. I tend to feed her 6 and sometimes 7 times per a day because I feel like she isn't getting enough.
I read somewhere that a bub should drink anywhere between 700ml-1200ml per day at their age and it varies between babies (due to growth spurts, weight etc). As long as they are having plenty of wet nappies and seem content I wouldn't be worried. But ofcourse if you are concerned about it I would speak to your MCHN or GP

[parentingrocks]

hi ladies :wave:

thanks for your support - the fneral lfor my pa was on friday and it was a beautiful service and I managed to do my speech without crying so I was happy.
As I said in my last post I've introduced formula for 1 feed a day (afternoon) and I know that Charli will take a while to get used to it but its been 4 days since she poo'd.. I really hate seeing her go so long between poos, quite pathetic but its all I think about - every little fart I'm like 'was that a poo was that a poo?!?!?!" and I check and.......... nothing. She doesn't seem too bothered but I do notice her pushing and grunting every now and again and nothing comes out. I just know she used to do two poo's a day, and so to think its been 4 days with nothing I imagine her little insides are all blocked up! Any suggestions? My mum said to give her cooled boiler water a few times a day (not instead of milk just added to her diet). And to answer questions before you may ask them - she on BM 4 - 5 feeds a day and formuka for 1, I'm using NAN HA gold and just switched to the NAN Pro gold because I heard that is good (only just switched her today to that one so its not like I've been switching back and forth with different brands all the time or anything).. she did start solids last week too but only 1 tablespoon a day.
Just wish the poor bugga would poo already!!

[readytogo]

i gave up on Farex DD wont go near it but she enjoys face painting with chicken and sweetcorn.....

[sweetseven]

My little mite is getting an appetite. I'm not feeding her solids on any schedule but only when she behaves i a way to indicate that she wants it. She had about half a tub of yoghurt last night, and the other half midday today.

Unfortunately, I'm starting to feel rather unwell (weak) so I didnt go back to the baby expo today. Also, I dont think I'm up to going to church tonight to see my girls in theirt parade. Currently feeling guilty about it, but would not be a wise move.

[Seacretsquirrel]

Hey Fantastic Feb mummies (and us couple of march ring ins) well our house is quarantined Zahlia still has a bit of a runny nose, poor Riley has a stuffy nose and a bit of a cough (of to the Drs tomorrow if he is not improved) and I have no voice and a wonderful headache - I didn't realise how much I rely on the forceful voice thing to get Z's attention :o

It has been a wonderful weekend with DH being home and he taking a days leave tomorrow too so he doesn't have to be back at work till thurs which is fantastic.
We have had a bit of a spending spree as always seems to happen when DH comes home but Billabong had a big sale up here so we got a few new bits (I even got a singlet for myself in a size 14 which is a miricle esp with surf brands).
DH brought Z home 2 new books too about a little emu called stripey they are so cute - He got them because a restaurant up here has the pictures on their walls and we comment on how cute they are every time we eat there and one of the girls on his boat bought one of the books at a market in Fremantle and when he saw them he stopped dead and literally rant to the stall to get them for Z minutes before they closed!

Anyhoo I am in the middle of cooking beef and beer for tea so I better go check that it is doing okay.
:wave:

[quitecontrary]

SS what a lovely gift your dh bought home for Z! You must be pleased to have him back on dry land and at home for a few days. No wonder you go shopping when he comes back - I'd be the same, I'm yet to bother doing any shopping much solo with both of mine in tow. Sorry to hear you're all ill though.
Solsen T only poos about twice a week these days, and he's a b/f only baby. Toots away but its sound and fury, signifying nothing! I'm glad you survived your Pa's funeral and your speech went with a dry eye. Those things are so hard.
We are fine. Went to friends for lunch today, and it was lovely. T ate, slept and chattered away being his usual sociable self, and G entertained all and sundry and made sense with her chattering!! Both the kidlets are in bed, T is just debriefing away to himself happily.
Hope everyone had a great weekend!

[A'sMummy]

Solsen- I have been using Karicare Gold for awhile now, but decided to try out NAN HA gold a few weeks ago because Anya suffers from a bit of colic and thought it might help to try a different formula. I had her on the NAN HA gold for 3 days and it seemed to make her a little bit constipated, she would push so hard and go as red as a tomatoe trying to do a poo. Since swapping her back to Karicare Gold she has been pooing atleast daily or sometimes (rarely) 2nd daily. In saying that though... I have heard great things about NAN and some babies are really happy on it, just didn't work well for Anya.

[ts0010]

Hi everyone, not sure if you remember me.. I was in the Due in Feb thread, but somehow the past 4 mths has flown by without me getting on to post.

Jack had lots of health probs in the first couple of months but is doing better now and is a very happy baby. Has been on Farex for about 3 weeks coz Im working 2 days in the office and he wouldnt take the bottle. And finally he has started having a bit of a routine now which is great! He's slept through the night a couple of times so Im feeling a bit less sleep deprived these days.

Anyway I hope to get on more often now and see how everyone is going.

[debplus3]

Just a quick word on formula. NAN HA was recommended to me by my lactation consultant as Bradley has had lots of cholic/digestion/reflux issues. She said it was definately one of the easier to digest formula's. I tend to put an extra 20ml of water in to make it a bit easier in the poo department.

We aren't on solids yet, but with the other 2, the rule of thumb I was told was to offer milk first and solids as a top up. The milk is more important than solids, especially under 6 months. I would put any extra milk left over into the rice cereal or veggies.

I am offering B 6 bottles a day with 180 ml in each. He often leaves 20-50 ml per feed.

[Lateralus]

Good morning lovely Feb mummies. Have been reading what everyones been up to over the last few days but haven't really had time to post. We have had my mum up to stay from sydney which has been good. DH & I actually went out to dinner while mum babysat which was SO good .. Just nice to get out of the house without Z and have some time together. As a bonus, Z then skipped her 10pm feed and didn't wake until just before 2am.. :yelclap: Hope this is a new trend!

As for Miss Z - she is going SO well with me on this new diet - seems we have managed to eliminate all the irritants from my diet and she is going from strength to strength. She is over all a much happier baby - sleeping better, playing better, tolerating her tummy time much better. It's an amazing change! :smiliedance:

We're off for our 4 month vaccinations this morning which I am not looking forwards to at all. I feel so mean because she has no idea it's coming :no: I just hope this doesn't upset the apple cart!

Hope everyone has a great day and that you're all staying nice and warm wherever you are!

[Seacretsquirrel]

Hey there ladies!
KJ- Fantastic news on the date front and on the new diet working! hopefully the needles will be much ado about nothing!

We have had a lovely week with DH being home We went to the Territory Wildlife park today which was nice we saw birds, fish, crocs turtles etc Zahlia had a ball and to make it better if you live in the NT you get a 12 month pass for the price of regular admission so we'll be going a bit I think - even just to get out of the house!:yelclap:
Not much else happening here we are all on the mend I think so I leave it at that :wave:

[quitecontrary]

SS it must be lovely to have your dh where he should be! I think G would love the wildlife park too!
KJ oh yay to the new diet working, and recognising sleep signs and an altogether much more at ease Z! How nice to have your Mum up there doing what Grandma's need to do! Glad you had a good evening out with your dh.
ts good to see you here again! Glad to hear everything is okay!

Here its been a bit mixed. G has a cold and last night vomited twice in her bed - two changes of sheets and pyjamas then after the second change she screamed and carried on and Dh ended up sleeping in with her, so T decided that he needed to be fed at 2.30, 4.30 and 6.30. We are all a bit tired today and I actually had a nap for half an hour when they were both asleep this afternoon. Fingers crossed that my little sleep deprived daughter goes to sleep early tonight, and stays that way.

[ardora]

Where have all the chatty ladies gone? I can even follow and do personals! :eek::)

Solids - I am following all the progress in solids, but G just does not seem interested at all, so I am more than happy to wait and enjoy how easy it is to BF exclusively.

KJ - yay for you, Z, and the new diet!! what was the diet about?

SS - yay for having Dh with you. I sometimes wonder how you cope with a toddler and a baby and only a few friends up there... I guess there is no other choice, so necessity makes it... incredible the things we can do when we need to!

QC - that sounds like a scary night you had... I hope that everyone gets a well deserved sleep tonight!

AFU: we are well, G is happy and growing so much that is hard to believe (first time mum here :o). He is so alert and interacting so much... I love it! :goodvibes: and in one hand I want him to 'do more things' and in the other I wonder where is my sweet newborn little baby... I am back at work two days a week, which is really good and we are also exercising twice a week (I do feel so much better!!). Most nights are still good, with G only waking up once for a quick feed... except last night, when I think that he woke himself up with a mega-fart (he woke me up with it!!:eek:) and then took a few minutes to settle. I know that this is nothing but I am not used...

Anyway, enough chatting, tomorrow is a work day and so I need to wake up EARLY- needless to say that those days where I could get ready in half an hour are gone forever perhaps...

Have a great sleeping night :goodvibes:

[parentingrocks]

hi everyone :wave:

sorry i haven't been on in a while - again, like most, I've been reading but not had a lot to say.

Charli is going well I'm also wondering where my cute little newborn has gone - she is now an energiser bunny.. she rolls all around the house, is talking really really loud and hardly sleeps during the day - I still force her to have naps though! I'm not letting go of those few hours of sanity I get in the day!!!:laughing:
She had about 1 month of sleeping right through the nights, and now she is waking anywhere between 2am-4am everynight for a feed and I can't seem to make her shake it. I fill her up as much as possible during the day with millk so I don't understand why she is hungry all of a sudden during the night when she went so long without it. Hopefully she and I figure it out soon cos I would love her to be sleeping through again.

I am off to a meeting at work today to discuss when and in what capacity I am returning to work. They suggested over the phone it would just be 2 days and only 5 hour shifts so I can handle that! I will have to use child care though so dam it I better start sorting that out - I tried one so far and it was so crap, no security and the place was very unhygenic, very unimpressed because it was a council ran one too.

well hope everyone is well. very happy for you KJ that you and Zoe are more settled. Hope you are getting the sleep you deserve.

A's Mummy - been meaning to ask - how are you coping since returning to work?

x

[sweetseven]

Well, I've been really busy and tired lately so havent had a lot of time for chatting. I haven't been able to build up supplies of EBM, and thus haven't been able to get out much. On Sunday, I packed everything (and children) into the car to go to the PBC expo, then realised how exhausted I felt (after only packing the car) and determined it wasn't advisable to go. So then I unpacked the car, and spent the rest of the afternoon feeling excessively weak, to the point where I didn't trust myself to carry bub around the house at times.

[Lateralus]

Good morning all :wave:

SS hope you are having a great time with DH home!!

QC hope Miss G is feeling better and letting you get a bit more sleep.. Poor chicken.

tiera3 :hugs: I hope you are feeling better with a bit more energy soon!! Are you taking an iron supplement? Might help with your energy levels if your iron stores are still a bit depleted from the birth.

Solsen Good luck negotiating your working hours and also good luck finding a great child care place... There has to be one out there that is just right for Charli! I ca't give you an advice on getting her to sleep through the night again though because Zoe has never slept through the night. She wakes every 3-4 hours for a feed. Always has with the very rare occasion (maybe once every 3 weeks) when she sleeps for 5 hours.

Ardora I am on a special diet as it was thought that Zoe had allergies or sensitivities to things in my breast milk. So have cut out all soy & diary (even as ingredients in things) as well as a whole bunch of stuff high in salicylates (various fruits & veges, nuts, seeds, olives and olive oil etc). I have also increased my fats and proteins - making sure that I have a good amount of both with each meal. Almost immediately Zoe was SO much less fussy on the breast and within a week her temperament had improved massively - she would actually spend time awake without howling which we hadn't really had since she was born. Also her poos settled down (she had been pooing 6-10 times a day - explosive & green) and now she's pooing once every 2-4 days.

Quick question - anyone else with Bub's on reflux medications.. Did you find that it made them do really smelly farts? In the week since we have started Zoe on a new one she is honking out some lethally smelly farts :barf:

Zoe had her vaccinations yesterday and she was go good - cried when they went in - but was all happy and smiles again my the time we got out to the reception at te doctors. What a little trooper :bee:

[Seacretsquirrel]

KJ I would be very interested to know what fruits and veges affect Wee Z.
T3 - I agree look at your Iron levels that is usually good for your energy levels but perhaps a query at the Drs is in order if you are feeling that weak - that doesn't sound good esp when you have 7 darling girls to look after.
QC hope Miss G is feeling better today.
Ardora -I am with you on the waiting for solids

AFU - R is watching with interest at our food and is drinking water with relish and I think that is enough for now. (it is rather warm up here still so I thought a little water to top up his hydration was in order - he is still exclusively BF though)

TMI Warning - R is doing the nasty greeny coloured poos a stack of times a day (just about every feed) - I am debating whether the greeny colour is reason to be concerned or not. They have been getting a bit darker and more mustardy lately (I have had less choc since DH has been home so perhaps thats it)

Having a quiet day here DH is at work (Read Golf with the crew so he'll be home after lunch I am totally making the most of having him home ATM he picks up a boat on Mon so they might be off again soon after that but we have our fingers crossed that they'll sail on the 7th the day after DH's 30th Birthday - Was hoping to make a cool cake and celebrate for a change (the last 4 years at least he has been away for his birthday).
Anyway I better be off washing to hang out Bleh:D

[Lateralus]

SS Zoe had been having those frequent green poos too and the allergy LC specialist we saw said that it happens when stuff passes through their digestive tract too quickly which is usually caused by Bub having some sort of food intolerance (ie in your breast milk). I have to say, Z's poos settled down within days of my changing my diet. I will PM you the list of F&V that I can and can't have.. Or if you PM me your email address I can scan in and email the list of the high and low salicylate foods. It's quite a long list as we went through everything I usually eat and checked each thing. I can't remember if I explained her methods of checking for allergies but it was one part science and one part smoke and mirrors.. But hey, it's working so I am not going to bag her methods of determining what I should and shouldn't be eating.

[parentingrocks]

Hi again ladies.

SS - I definately think the green poos are something you should try to figure out - sounds like it is something he is ingesting for it to be coming out like that. ALTHOUGH could he be teething? I heard that can affect poos sometiemes.. OR.. Charli went through a phase where she kept 'snack' feeding and her poo's went green (just one or two) and the MCHN said it was because she was only getting the sugary milk, and not enough hind milk. Is he feeding long enough to be getting the hind milk? Hope they go back to normal soon, all the best. x

Well AFU - Charil went down for a nap at 6.15pm and is still asleep (its 8.40pm) when she would normally wake after only 45min - 1hour. Thinking she may think its 'night time' and is having her big sleep now but she normally has one more feed before her big sleep. Or maybe she is not well - she had a few more boogas than normal today and has had a pussy eye, like maybe conjunctivitis (SP?!?) or a cold or something - who knows.. babies hey.. would be nice if they could just talk and tell us what they are feeling!

Well I better go take advantage of this down time and get some washing done... it really does never end...

[janiceg]

hey ladies!

it's been so quiet in here lately!

sounds like we're all getting the hang of things..or hanging in there at least!

i don't have much news...dd is going well on her solids. and we're switching to mcn's! so excited - it's a whole other world!

want to start weaning off the wrap..any ideas or tips?


:hugs: nighty-night!

[BoyCrazy]

want to start weaning off the wrap..any ideas or tips?



hi janice i just posted a thread about this in the sleeping section! i wanna wean jasper from his wrap too! have no idea how though lol.

it has been quiet in here lately..ive been reading along but not much to say..same old same old! :laughing:

AFU i cant believe our babies are 5 months!! where did the time go? soon it will be christmas & theyll be walking! :eek:

jasper loves his solids too, its so funny all the different facial expressions he makes while eating and tasting new foods! for some reason he especially likes spinach & broccoli! not so nice in the nappy though lol. he has cut a tooth and i think working on the 2nd.

question for those breastfeeding & starting solids...do you always breastfeed THEN give solids? ive just read some conflicting advice over the past few days that says you should feed then offer solids, but then other info says you dont need to breastfeed first. :confused:

[janiceg]

thanks baylismum
i always bf and then give solids about 30mins later and i guess you're supposed to do that until they're about 8 months and then it's solids first then bf.
just what i've seen my friends doing...all the info is so conflicting. just do what you feel is right, i guess!

[BoyCrazy]

thanks janice :) ive been bf him first then waiting about 15-20mins before offering him his solids, seems like he eats heaps!! and looks for more when its all gone..porky pig! i gave him one of those raffertys garden pouches at lunch yesterday and he ate the whole lot! :eek:

[janiceg]

yeah, i've been limiting how much and only give her half a pack of rafferty's or about 1/4cup of homeade food..i'm sure she'd take more but i worry about giving her too much because she never seems to stop!!!! little miss piggy!

[ts0010]

I was told to always offer milk before solids as milk is more nutricious for them, and you dont want them to fill up on solids and not take the milk. Makes sense to me - since Jack has been on solids he has lost a bit of interest in the boob, so I always do boob before solids.

Im also curious about weaning off the wrap. I tried him without it for a daytime sleep last week, but after 5mins he was crying because he had kicked all the covers to the end of the bed and was throwing his arms & legs around like he was having a party!
My mum has put him down in a sleeping bag rather than wrapping him a few times and said that worked well, so it might be worth a try.
hth

[parentingrocks]

hi again

I can't believe about michael jackson! what a shock!

AFU - Charil slept from 6.15pm through til 3.30am last night, fed for 15mins then slept til 6.30am.. pretty happy with that! Hope the poor bugga isn't sick, she has had a weeping eye as I said so hope it clears up.
Off for a walk with mothers group ladies this morning and then going to sign up to the gym! There is a local one to me that does child minding for $3 while you work out and the membership is unlimited for $15 per week - classes, pool, spa, sauna, tennis courts etc etc etc.. I can't wait!!!!

Hope you all have a good day
x

[parentingrocks]

p.s BM - I offer milk before solids while they are at this age. Charli is a little guts too - she would keep eating til its coming out her ears if I let her! I offer about 1 & 1/2 tablespoons a day usually of farax with a bit of apple mxed in cos she hates plain farax, and then just started vegies. Pumpking went alright and will be trying broccoli tonight. Hope she likes it.

[Lateralus]

Solsen I hav heard that breastmilk is good for gunky eyes (has antibacterial and antiviral properties)... just squirt a bit in a few times a day :yes:

[ardora]

Hello everyone!

A tooth already BM?! where has the time gone??

KJ thanks for the info in your diet. I do remember you mentioning that the methods were a bit odd... but, to be honest, I did not believe in reiki until my friend helped me with my heap in the end of my pregnancy.

Re breast milk for cleaning the eyes... yes, it is supposed to be good BUT breastmilk is not sterile; I prefer to use some sterile saline solution to clean G's eyes when he needs it. He was born with a blocked duct so I have done quite a bit of eye cleaning.

Re weaning of the wrap... I am also interested, we never wrapped G during the day and for now, he is still in the bassinet... we left it too late to buy the cot and we don't have it yet... one of this days we are going to need a spoon to get him off the bassinet :o. So, I am happy to wrap in the bassinet but I was thinking of starting weaning soon after he moves to his cot in his room... after he settles there... if he settles at all.... I have heard that you keep on wrapping them until they get strong enough as to unwrap themselves every night... it makes a bit of sense but I am unsure.

And G is a bit sick the poor little thing. He slept badly last night and kept waking me up snuffling and sort of pitiful crying... when I got my brain back this morning, I put the thermometre and he had 38 deg! so I gave him some baby paracetamol and was a lot better. I just gave him another those as he was unsettled and with his temperature rising again and we will see how he goes.

Well off to deal with some tidying up and washing.

Have a great day (and night) :goodvibes:

[Lateralus]

effing yobbos in our street doing burnouts at 3am woke Zoe up and she's has only JUST gone back to sleep. Well she had, but then DH slammed the door when he left for work and she woke up again. Thanks for that. :sleeping:

[quitecontrary]

Kate do you call the cops whilst it happens? I'm a great one for calling the local boys in blue in the middle of the night for neighbourhood noise. Sorry to hear Miss Z is yet to immune herself to the noise.
We are quite close to the flight path which has been out of use for some time, and they started using it at 6am last week, and both the kids slept through it - which is a relief really.
All is fine here, not much to report. G is on the mend, T is just as calm as usual. As soon as you write something like this though its like an invitation for Murphy's Law!
After nap time we are heading down to my parents for the night - we might even get a lie-in if we play our cards right tomorrow morning! Anything after 7 is one these days!!

[parentingrocks]

Oh Kate thats bulls*** I hate that! I used to be so layed back with that sort of thing, but even now when the neighbours dog barks I'm like can you shut the f'n dog up or I'll do it for you!!!!!

Charli is going pretty well - her eye seems to be clearing up and she is enjoying her solids, stilll just a tablespoon a day but love trying her on different foods. She is just struggling to have big enough naps between feeds, its often only 30mins then she is grizzly after being awake for 20mins so I have to try put her down again which is always challenging the second time around... I DO try to re-settle when she wakes after that first 30mins but never seems to work, its very annoying!!

Well better get back the house work!!!!:wave:

[Lateralus]

why won't this baby sleep?????? It's like she's forgotten how to all of a sudden. It's doing my head in. :crying:

[Purplebird]

Kate - if she had a rough night last night maybe she's just overtired and finding it hard to unwind? I hope she's asleep now :hugs:

Haven't been around for a while so I won't try and catch up. Hope you're all well. I've been busy trying to sell my house! I'm also feeling a bit low actually. Very drained and tired now from all the night waking and frequent feeding. I cut dairy out of my diet and it has helped a lot but Cameron still isn't as happy or settled as I'd like him to be. I think he's still troubled by wind actually, but I keep forgetting and eating broccoli and other windy foods. Poor fellow gets very squirmy and upset by his farts!

I think I need to get back to the gym for my sanity. Thankfully Dh is off for the next two weeks so hopefully I can rest, recharge and get some semblance of normality back. I think it's time Cam got out of the bed and into his cot - which means I need to stay awake for more than 5 minutes during night feeds so I can actually put him back in the cot :cool:

[parentingrocks]

oh Kate I hope Zoe and you got some much needed and deserved rest last night, I feel terrible for you when I read your posts when your having trouble getting Zoe to bed. You are doing such a great jobbeing a mummy hang in there. I am actually looking forward to the age where they don't have any day sleeps so there is less time and energy on my behalf getting her to go down for a sleep!
Charli had an unsettled night because she woke at 1am (which is very unusual for her) and probably just needed settling back to sleep but I was so delerious I layed down and breast fed her side lying in my bed (my DP was at the pub so not in the bed yet as well) and I fell asleep while feeding her :o and then I woke up at 2.45am and heard my DP coming home from the pub and Charli and I were still asllep in my bed so I decided to try to keep her asleep and wrap her up and put her back in her cot - AS IF that was going to work! She woke up straight away and I had to BF her again to get her to go to sleep.. then she still woke up at 6am this morning wanting to play. She has had her morning feed and play and is now back in bed. I am just hoping she doesn't want those feeds again during the night tonight!!
Well I may as well stay up now that its 7.20am, even though its a Sunday and I deserve a sleep in I suppose I'll do some washing and have a shower :(

[quitecontrary]

PB hope you're starting to feel a bit more "up" soon. Yay to your dh having two weeks off. I think you are right, you probably need to get Lord Cam out of your bed and into his own one, sounds like he's making a bit too much use of the all-you-can-eat all-night buffet-in-bed service!
Solsen I still put G down for a day nap, she does resist but its so worth it for the calm in the house for a couple of hours each afternoon. They need sooooo much sleep for their development. It is hard when they don't just nap though.
Kate I hope young Z has realised the benefits of sleeping without screaming first, again. That is just tooooo hard. How long was your Mum up for?

We went and bought new luggage today - in preparation for our trip to FNQ next weekend. I cannot wait for a dose of the tropics again! It is going to be great to have wheelie bags that wheel properly - we've been dragging some dodgy cases around for too long.
Apart from that all is well. Toby is still growing like topsy. I am going to try and get down to the clinic for the drop-in to get him weighed and measured this week. G was looking at baby photos of me and my sisters today at my parents - it was so funny she was calling all the bubs the names of their now children! So I must look something like my kids, though she was calling the baby photo of my little sis Toby - blue eyes and follicle-y challenged!

[Purplebird]

ha ha QC - I have a little blue eyed follicle-y challenged boy too! Yay to new luggage, it's always nice to have. I managed to get Cameron back into his cot for the night last night, so we are well on our way back to some semblance of normality now.

It seems like everyone has gone quiet! It seems such a shame. I know I still love chatting to the mummies in my DD's birth group over two years later - it's been such a great source of support.

Anyone else wanna chat, lol? :D

[Lateralus]

PB I am always around for a chat - I feel bad though because all I seem to do is complain of late :(

I think I have to admit to the fact that I think I have moved into the realms of PND. I have been getting some counseling for the past few weeks & although it has helped a little bit, I don't think somehow it is going to be enough. I really, really don't want to start on antidepressants, but I think that may be the way things are heading. Crying (I take it) is normal for the first few weeks, but should not be a daily occurrence at this stage. I think I will give the counseling another couple of weeks and then reassess. I have just gotten to the stage where I feel constantly sad which is not the way it should be. I really feel like I am being robbed of these wonderful times with Zoe because I do feel so miserable.. But I am not sure if antidepressants will help. I have been on them before and while they stopped be from feeling sad, they stopped me from feeling anything really - ahhh - such a dilemma.

Anyhow - enough about me! Hope everyone is having a wonderful week. We are having some beautiful warm winter days up here. There is nothing like being able to wander around in jeans and t-shirt in the middle of winter :sunshine: I am just glad to see the back of this rainy spell!

[Seacretsquirrel]

Hey PB - I agree we have come a long way since our pre baby needing 2 threads per month days!!

I am still around but not posting a lot as I feel that all I am doing is whinging and I don't really have anything to whinge about esp compared to so of you who are having major issues! :hugs:

We are still plodding along Z has finally finished her antibiotics :smiliedance: so no more fighting to get her to take her medicine - although that said she has been asking for medicine more frequently recently but I think it is an attention seeking thing.

R is powering along little chubber that he is. I am still a little concerned about his legs though I just don't remember how long Z's were at this age - I am going to measure them today and ask on here about others similar aged bubs to put my mind at ease. I am pretty sure he is cutting teeth and he has been harder to settle the last few nights (might have to try turning off his light see how that goes).
Does anyone else give their BF bub water - I have been givine R some the last week and he loves it - I got a neat Tommee Tippee cup with a soft sippy type spout and it works brilliantly kinda like the boob which is brilliant - it is just been so hot up here that I was feeding contantly and I am sure it was thirst more than hunger so we are trying a little bit of water (about 50 mls tops per day spaced out over the day - a few sips at a time)
anyhoo enough :ecomcity: from me I am off to find a cake to make for DH's 30th b'day on Mond (although he is sailing on Monday for 6 weeks so the cake is for the BBQ on Fri night) -any ideas???

[gizmoduckus]

:hugs: Kate. It is awful when you feel that way.

Have you tried to spend a day away from Zoe? Maybe if you express some milk and then spend a day getting a massage and doing some shopping and just sitting down in a cafe and having a coffee. You would be surprised how much it can actually help you just having a little time to yourself.

PB, I'm the same here. I have nothing to do except whinge. I didn't think everyone would want to hear it especially since they are going through their own problems.

I have been suffering from a bit of insomnia lately and it is making me a bit loopy. I just can't sleep doesn't matter how much I lie there.

Liam is still the same. Barely sleeps during the day and it is always a big struggle to get him to sleep. I was thinking of starting him on solids soon but now I'm thinking that I'm probably adding more work that I don't really need to do right now. I am barely keeping up with everything now.

Well that is all from me.

[quitecontrary]

It seems like we are all going through the same sorts of things - which is why we need to "talk" to each other!! Especially those of us without the benefits of a mothers group the second time around!
Kate I am sorry to hear you are feeling so down. Its seems to me that it is circumstancial rather than chemical, so perhaps the antidepressants wouldn't really help.
Gizmo they say that food doesn't actually help them sleep - never made any difference to G in that regard. You are right, you don't need the extra annoyance of trying that as well.
PB glad you've got the bed to yourselves again and the Master is in his own cot. Got to love the little hairless fellows eh? Toby has hair only a mother can love! He's going to be white blonde when it does grow more than 3mm.
I feel for you all of you who are feeling like they have no time for themselves. I feel it too. Though I don't really know what I'd do for a day by myself but I'd like to try just catching the train into the city, poking around the shops and maybe seeing a film. Its a dream I have to say!
Last Thursday when we went out to dinner and to the exhibition opening I just felt great! Even with the kids in tow it was just good to do something different and see some friends in a social setting.
Enough on all that, I should be attending to laundry and a shower I think.
So - Feb Mums Whingers of World - Unite!! We need each other!

[Lateralus]

Have you tried to spend a day away from Zoe? Maybe if you express some milk and then spend a day getting a massage and doing some shopping and just sitting down in a cafe and having a coffee. You would be surprised how much it can actually help you just having a little time to yourself.



It's funny you say this... I was talking to DH about it last night and saying that I needed to have some 'me' time. Am going to start making the effort to express enough for a morning or afternoon away from Zoe each week. Perhaps start back up with some yoga classes and meet a friend for a cuppa without having to worry about Zoe cracking it!

How long does it take to build up extra supply when you express and how many times a day do people express to get enough for extra feeds? At the moment if I express after a feed I only get 20 or 30mls. I guess if I do it after every feed there'd be enough for a whole feed by the end of the day (presuming around 4 months she needs 150-200mls/ feed??).

[floodprincess]

:hugs: to everyone with challenges...I really hope you manage to overcome them soon!

I too have been lax in getting in here to support you all - been so busy learning to balance full-time work (with a big commute), bub and other family demands (this hormonal pre-teen of mine is driving me NUTS)

I can't do personals today because I've only just caught up on 4 pages of posts :o...but Kate, do take some time to yourself! As for expressing, it really depends, Monique takes roughly 200mls per feed by bottle and is doing 4 per day, with solids for breakfast and dinner.

I always offer boob before solids (I get to give her the two solid meals per day when I home before and after work so its great) and little miss piggy hooks into both with gusto. Gotta try some green veges this weekend (so far only done pumpkin, potato & carrot for dinner with pear & banana farex for breakky).

God, wrap weaning.....I know it's not SIDS pc, but I'm going to wait until the weather warms up! M loves being wrapped, and whilst she can unwrap herself and this sometimes disturbs her, I'm reluctant to get rid of it just yet while it keeps her arms and hands warm (can't use the hand warmer thingies on the wonder suits - it doesn't leave quite enough room for her fingers to stretch out, and given the probs we had with her paralyzed arm...)

Ohh...some good news on the arm front!! We had a review with the specialist last friday and she's regained full movement and flex of all parts from shoulder to finger (and is beginning to show signs of a tendency to be right handed). he thinks one more review in October and he can discharge us!!! :yelclap:

Anyway, I better dash, enough gabbing from me....it's end of financial year and there's soo much reporting that has be done by COB today!

Take care ladies and try to enjoy the changes your bub will exhibit day to day!

[ardora]

Hi everyone,

Another one getting lazy with readign and writing...BUT yes, I have got so much support from here that would be a shame to let it go...

Time to yourself- Kate (and everyone else feeling low... PB?), do it!! I have to say that aside from being with G, I am loving exercising again (I go to a group that you can take your baby along and the trainer helps you settling them if needed) and work! Yes, I love my work and, as an academic, I have never been in it for the money, so it is really love for it and the fantastic flexible times and mat leave that allow me to be with G too. Last Friday, when G was sick, I left the house for the first time in months without G to go the exercise group (DH stayed with G at home) and it was amazing to feel how 'easy' and 'fast' things can be... I was so realx about taking stuff that I did forget my wallet! :D

The cot - we will be moving G to his cot from the bassinet soon (when it arrives) and the cot does not fit in our room so he will be moving to his room... should we put him to sleep in the bassinet in his room for starting? or should we try the cot there directly?

And I am thinking that G is teething, not that I know it, because I just don't have a clue, but it looks like... :confused: He is recovered from the virus and now, although snotty (OMG! the amount of snot that he can produce!!) is back to be my content little boy with only one feed at about 4/5am.

Well... washing machine just finished... is calling me!! The joys of my SAHM days!! the more I think about it... I just cannot be a full time SAHM, I will end up seriously depressed... Kate, do you love your work? if so, would you consider going back one or two days a week? It might help you... or it might not... I guess it depends on the type of work, I seem to remember you were a nurse...

Ah! the washing machine!!

Have a great day!
:goodvibes:

[janiceg]

hey girls,
i've been lazy too, although i manage to hop on facebook a zillion times a day!
been busy organizing a rally for "Every Woman, Every Choice" you can check out the facebook page. (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/event.php?eid=95466099763&ref=mf) if any of you could come that'd be great! there are other events all over aus (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/event.php?eid=90218304333&ref=mf), too!
our cloth nappies arrived today! so i'll get 'em washed and hopefully try them out tomorrow!
dd is going well although she was up EVERY HOUR last night! it was crazy! think it was a growth spurt and she doesn't make a habbit of it!
we've got a new apartment ON the beach! i'm so excited to get away from our noisy neighbours and these yucky carpets here. we move in 6 weeks!
i've decided to postpone weaning the wrap. she's happy in it. why mess with that? it's too stressful and her little fingers get cold too:no:
looks like miss is starting to stir after her 2hr (so far) nap:eek: so i'll get going
:hugs:you all! hope you get some time to yourselves!
janice xx

[Purplebird]

Glad you're all lurking, let's get chatting again! and, dammit, lets all whinge together!!

Kate - :hugs: I have had depression before (both 'ordinary' and PND). I took anti-depressants both times and found them enormously helpful. Having some 'me' time and some normality will help greatly, but I am a great believer in drugs I'm afraid! I only say that because of what I have been through myself. Anyway, I am here if you would like to talk about it anytime.

FP - that's great news about Miss M's arm.

Janice - excellent work on the rally organisaton. I wish you every luck with it, such a good cause.

Giz - i feel your pain on the day sleeps thing. Cam is terrible and he seems to have tummy pain a lot.

Ardora - i was at home withDD for just over a year before i returned part time to work. i must admit i do wonder how long my sanity will hold out this time. I love being at home with the kids most of the time, but sometimes it is very draining.

[quitecontrary]

Hello again.
Well, I cracked today. For the first time ever as a stay at home mum I sat in front of the box and watched Days of Our Lives. We had such a dreadful morning with G throwing herself to the floor continuously and screaming and making me shout that after Fairy Ballet (where she also cracked it) she was straight to bed,as was her brother. Toby decided he had to wake up after an hour (not long enough) so I brought him out into the lounge, wrapped him again and put him to sleep in my arms - and I watched tele!

[parentingrocks]

Hi everyone

Kate - you poor thing. You know, this better not sound creepy, but I think about you so much.. in terms of - when I'm having a terrible night with Charli and I end up having a little teary by myself thinking 'I don't deserve this'.. I always think of "poor Kate on BubHub" and how you must go through this every night.. I really think you are amazing and you are doing such a great job as a mum - I have one bad night and after 3 or 4 times of Charli waking I am crying yelling out to my DP "please come and take her I'm so tired!!!!!!!!!!!" and to think I am like that after 1 night of no sleep and you have not had a full nights sleep in 4 months.... you are so much stronger than me!!
I think the most important thing is that whether you have PND or not is the fact that you are so aware of your feelings, you are recognising your signs and symptoms and 'talking' (typing) them out aloud and you are actively seeking help on the issue from a counsellor. I think keep seeing the councellour and possibly a really good GP to get plenty of advice whether drugs are the right choice for you considering the situation, because as someone else said it could just be the fact that you're so exhausted with having a new baby, not a chemical imbalance. Good luck. You are doing such a good job. I only wish I lived around the corner so I could come and make you a cuppa and take little Zoe off your hands for a while.
By the way Kate - is she on reflux meds? Because a lady from my mothers group stopped her sons reflux meds (only by accident she was away a few days and forgot..) and he went from crying, screaming, never settling..... to the happiest baby ever!! It was like a new baby the next week at mothers group - total transformation. I know you must be getting bombarded with advice but I thought of you when the lady from mothers group was talking to me about it.

xxx

[Purplebird]

QC - :hugs: for you this time. It sounds like some 'brain freeze' TV was much needed by you today.

SS - I forgot to answer you earlier. Cam isn't having water yet, but we are in cold Melbourne! I can see the sense in you giving your little man some water though. So does your poor DH sail on his birthday? How very unfair :( That's a long time for you to be without him as well. As for the cake, I'm not sure. Is he a chocolate fan? Mudcakes are always good. Or sticky date cake...yum!

[parentingrocks]

where is everyone today????????????? :confused:

[zephani]

We've all moved to the July thread I started :) Come join us!

[sam's mum]

new thread for July ladies :D