View Full Version : Pepti-junior... will it get better
DS' paed has put him onto pepti-junior.
He was on karicare HA AR but became dreadfully constipated so swapped onto pepti.
He doesnt like it and i guess assumes it is thickened and chokes and splutters .
He is 7 kg and only took 400ml today. i have changed back from a variable teat to a size 3 avent.
Will it get better?
Will he drink it better?
how did your bub go?
Mamalicious
09-03-2009, 20:09
My DS was on Pepti Junior for a couple of days but he would choke and splutter too, and he would go all red and it turns out it was coming back up mixed with bile, poor wee thing. :(
Could that be happening with your boy?
:hugs:
im not sure. He hasnt vomitted on it yet (it is only day1).
So did you just stop.. what did you go to?
mum of 3
09-03-2009, 20:32
if the formula is to thin for him depending on why he is on it you can sill add karicare thickner we have dd2 on elecare we still have to add the thickner for her to keep it down.
if its only the first day i would give it a little longer
StrawberryTheMilkshake
09-03-2009, 20:45
Pepti Junior (we used to call it Pepsi lol)....literally saved my DD from hospital!
She would vomit EVERYTHING and in the end Pepti was the last resort before she would be admitted.
She took a few days to get used to it, and it is really thin- so we used thickener- Gaviscon i think- and it worked a treat.
The reason its so thin is because its totally broken down- so the tummy doesnt have to work so hard to digest it.....
Anyway, hang in there, my DD is nearly 5 and it isnt always easy!
I hope you can get answers and a settled bubba soon!
STM
thanks girls.
The reason we are switching from HA AR to Pepsi (lol) is that is is constipating DS badly.
Sothickening it i guess would defeat the purpose of changing formula..
but yes it is very thin and he he struggling
I bought all these variable teats and now i am back to size 3 avent.
He seems to suck forever on a size 2 but it floods on a a size 3????
StrawberryTheMilkshake
09-03-2009, 20:57
Ok so would moving him to a number 3 teat with just half a sachet, or how ever they measure it now, help?
Or maybe a different bottle brand?
Sorry im not much help im out of the loop with all of this now!
lol thanks
i think you buy the thickener in a tub .. will have to check it out at the chemist i guess.
Thanks so much
My DS was on Pepti-Junior from 8 weeks to 10 months. We used it due to allergies.
We also found it really thin and used it with Karicare thickener. We didn't thinken as much as it said to on the Karicare tin, but enough so DS wouldn't bring it back up.
The Pepti-Junior has a horrid taste (just the smell is bad enough) and it does take Bubs some time to get used to. Give it a while and if your still not happy go back to the Doc.
Mamalicious
10-03-2009, 10:36
im not sure. He hasnt vomitted on it yet (it is only day1).
So did you just stop.. what did you go to?
Goats milk formula, but it's rare that a baby can have goats milk if they're allergic to cows milk, something like 1% of kids can do that, I was told.
I agree with the PP, it smells and tastes terrible! :barf:
Sounds like there's some good advice out there though, I don't know much about Pepti, we still have about 10 unopened tins of it sitting in the cupboard! :o
reAllytee
10-03-2009, 10:57
if the formula is to thin for him depending on why he is on it you can sill add karicare thickner we have dd2 on elecare we still have to add the thickner for her to keep it down.
if its only the first day i would give it a little longer
DO NOT use the Karicare Thickener if the reason that bubs is on the Pepti is due to CMPI ( cows milk protien intolerance ) ... Despite what the label says there is still a protien in this product & even Karicare themselves advise not to actually use it with such specialised formulas due to this. Karicare actually do have a specialised thickener for this situation but its a little harder to get as you need your chemist to order it.
I know its hard we struggled ourselves but just keep pushing on her will take more as time goes on because he will get used to it but also because it will be allowing the gut to slowly heal itself.
If things continue I would head back to your Paed & ask to be put onto Elecare or Neocate .... Elecare tends to be the more palatable but they have different bases so some kids react to one but not the other !
Good luck !
DO NOT use the Karicare Thickener if the reason that bubs is on the Pepti is due to CMPI ( cows milk protien intolerance ) ... Despite what the label says there is still a protien in this product & even Karicare themselves advise not to actually use it with such specialised formulas due to this. Karicare actually do have a specialised thickener for this situation but its a little harder to get as you need your chemist to order it.
I know its hard we struggled ourselves but just keep pushing on her will take more as time goes on because he will get used to it but also because it will be allowing the gut to slowly heal itself.
If things continue I would head back to your Paed & ask to be put onto Elecare or Neocate .... Elecare tends to be the more palatable but they have different bases so some kids react to one but not the other !
Good luck !
:iagree::iagree:
Aly and I are rather passiuonate about that nast karicare thickener that has the hidden snealy protein in it
DO NOT use the Karicare Thickener if the reason that bubs is on the Pepti is due to CMPI ( cows milk protien intolerance ) ...
Thats interesting, because our DS was on Pepti due to CMPI and he did fine with the Karicare thickener!?!?
hi girls
well day 2 sucks as much as day 1.
he is on PJ basically due to reflux. paed isnt saying cow milk rpotein is a definate cause of his screaming - anyhow he was perfect on HA AR but constipated.
if it wasnt for the constipation i wouldnt have changed.
if i get thickener will it constipated him again you think? i guess this defeats the purpose.
he has throw up a few times and woke constantly overnight.
only averaged 400 ml today.
*sob* - so ready to go back to ha ar!!
reAllytee
10-03-2009, 17:49
Thats interesting, because our DS was on Pepti due to CMPI and he did fine with the Karicare thickener!?!?
Well I guess also the fact that he was ok on Pepti also points out that he only was a mild case may be why he tolerated the thickener also.
The problem is when its severe & parents are told to use the thickener yet cant understand why things arent getting better iykwim.
hi girls
well day 2 sucks as much as day 1.
he is on PJ basically due to reflux. paed isnt saying cow milk rpotein is a definate cause of his screaming - anyhow he was perfect on HA AR but constipated.
if it wasnt for the constipation i wouldnt have changed.
if i get thickener will it constipated him again you think? i guess this defeats the purpose.
he has throw up a few times and woke constantly overnight.
only averaged 400 ml today.
*sob* - so ready to go back to ha ar!!
Aaaaah ok ...
The thickener in ANY formula will cause constipation issues & it tends to be really evil stuff for that probelm & then when bubs has reflux the constipation actually causes it to worsen so it causes a vicious cycle.
What about just going with the HA formula ?
The AR in the other may be the crux of the constipation issues full stop iykwim & the fact he keeps vomitting the Pepti points either to him not tolerating that or he just isnt used to it.
When you say he has reflux ... Sorry im tired I had like 30mins sleep last nite ! ... Does that mean he is medicated or that he is just a spewy baby ?
Can you give us more info so we have a better understanding to help
he is not medicated and i prefer not to medicate him.
he is not severe GORD -i guess like you said a spewy baby.
we tried non AR formulas before HAAR and would trow up, not feed, waking every 2 hrs overnight (he was BF up tpo about 6 weeks ago when all this weaning fun began).
i guess coloxyl and thickner might be the way to go -
he coughs and splutters on pepti like he did with non thicked formulas. i guess 400ml is ok but the paed wants him to have 700 + solids.
i have tried calling the paed but cant get onto the secretary so will try tomorow i guess.
Hey
the fact that he is on Pepti as apose to neocate would sugest like you said that its a minnor protein issue as if it was servere then they would go to neocate as pepti stil has some cows protein in it anyway, So the karicare thickener might be ok but as you say it constipates him so some sort of a medication like coloxyl may be the way to go, But if you find that the karicare thickener is upseting him then maybe try Thicken up (used to be called guarcol its totaly free from soy and dairy, but again acan constipate so might need something to counteract that
With the constipation is he constipated as in pooing hard poo or consipated in that he is not going enough, If its hard poo then its easy fixed with either coloxyl or some sort of parafin medication as that wil lubricate the poo and make it more moist and easier to come out ( I would however stay away from lactolose as its got SO much lactose in it) If its a motility issue constipation thats harder to deal with as there are not as many medications on the market to make the bowels move
HUGS hope he improves
Amy
he is going 2-3 times a week (which is a vast improvement before he went off normal formula). But it is hard and he screams in pain.
I have to sit him kangaroo position upright so he can even get it out :( poor bubba.
But will look at the coloxyl.
All i know is last week was a dream week. SLeeping 12 hours at night - up to 6 hours during the day. Not 1 vomit and no screaming (HA AR)
The past 2 days... poor sleep, screaming when feeding and afterwards and coughing/splurting heaps.
As Pepti is more broken down than HA AR then i can only assume it is his reflux with the thinness of the formula giving him grief. Just like when he was BF.
It seems like the only logical explanation to me. will look into thicken up - where is it sold.??
I hope he improves soon the chemist sells it just ask them to order it in if its not in stock
From waht you ahve said it stands to reason that he would be fine on thickened Pepti as he wil have the easier to digest feeds with the thicknes he needs, then with something to counteract the other end
reAllytee
10-03-2009, 20:30
Yeah try to thicken it up otherwise I would go back to the HA-AR & call the Paed & ask what else iykwim !
Seems silly if he regresses when you at least were on the right track with him being happy etc, just gotta sort out the constipation !
Oh & sorry if the way I said " is he a spewy baby or medicated " came off as though its no biggie I never meant it like that :o
I'm by far no expert but are you feeding solids?? Could that be the issue?? What is he eating if anything?? Maybe more fruit in his diet would help, maybe the old prune juice (not sure if that really works, never had to try it). When our boy didn't poo for 3 days the maternal health nurse told us to put a pinch (literaly) of brown sugar into his bottle. It worked. Only had to do it twice, but I figured it couldn't hurt.
I hope you get your happy boy back soon.
reALLytee - thats ok. :)
He is on solids - organic rice cereal - i have been mixing in banana or pear to help along.
I do the brown sugar trick too here - if he hasnt had a poo in 5-6 day (he loooves his sugar bottle lol).
Well tonight he had 160 peacefully so i have NO IDEA!!!!!
I also think my toddler makes it hard for DS to relax and drink calmly...
I had him on a size 1 newborn teat tonight as well. so had to really suck hard :)
YAY!!! Its so sad when you get enjoyment out of a decent bottle huh!!:yelclap: Its amazing what I get excited at these days!:rolleyes:
Lets hope it was just an 'adjustment' period and things will get better from here.:fingerscrossed:
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.1.9 Copyright © 2012 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.