What do you think of people who circumcise without researching it?

[Hollywood]

My sister doesn't have kids and isn't pregnant yet, but plans on TTC in the next few months.

Out of curiosity I asked her if she plans on circ'ing if she has a boy. She said yes. Ok, fine, her child her decision, even if I don't have the same opinion on circ'ing as her (I didn't have DS circ'd).

But when I asked her why, she said "Because I just will".....:confused: So I asked her "Have you researched it? Do you know anything about the pros and cons of circ'ing or not circ'ing?" She got a bit snooty and said "No, I don't need to research it. DH has had it done and I just want my son to be circ'd. End of story". She doesn't want to hear any other opinions and kind of ends the conversation abruptly if it is ever discussed (not that I bring it up with her anymore).

Again, her child her choice, but these days it's not like circ'ing is 'the done thing' anymore, and it isn't a routine procedure at hospitals (well, it wasn't at the hospital where I gave birth).

Do you think that "Just because" is a good enough reason to decide to circumcise a boy? Shouldn't people get informed before deciding to do that? My sister hasn't yet given me a reason for circ'ing (she isn't religious, nor is my BIL). We get along really well otherwise, and I have come to accept that this is one thing we do not agree on, but I just can't relate to her thinking on this topic.

Just curious what others think about that. I don't judge those who do decide to circumcise, but most of the people around here who are pro circ'ing seem to be pretty clued up on it and have done their research........Unlike my sister, who doesn't even seem to know why she wants to circ, only that she wants to do it :confused:

[ChelsLuke]

Yes i hate people who dont look into it, Im on the fence either way, but my boys are done. I researched it for the whole pregnancy. In the end agreed to do it.
But as with everything you should never go into anything blind. At the end of the day these are the people who if somethign goes wrong will be so mad because they werent told or hating them selves cos if they had of known they would never have done it.

I think that it should be standard practice to give out information to parents considering it at birth. We never got any information unless we asked. Everythign i got, was from chat forums or internet. I think that there should be more then teh inital see the dr, he checks the boy out to make sure he is ok to be done then any questions ok fine see you in outpatients next Thurs.

It needs more education out there on it. I know its mroe of a taboo topic, but the fact is its still being practiced so should still be riased in antenatal classes even as a anyone interested can stay behind for a bit longer next session to ask questions.

But i do agree parents should never just cos i want to, with no knowledge.

[Mathermy]

I tend to think people who do it "just because I want too":eek::confused: probably need to learn better impulse control. There are many things in life that I might like to do but that doesn't make them right. I prefer to use my better judgement than act on every impulse just because I can :D

[HousebumMum]

I couldn't care less if they research it or not. Anyone who chooses not read up on or learn about a medical procedure beforehand is not really worth me worrying about to be honest.

Let it be their problem if they do or don't regret it later.

Of course, if they ask me about it then I am more than willing to tell them what it's all about.

[QTB]

id be guessing her DH is circ'd


to be honest, before we had DS1, when we found out he was a boy i said to DH do you want him circ'd? he said hellllllll no.... i left it up to him, but now that i know more about it, im sooooo glad he said no!!

I believe everything is everyones own choice, and although i dont like circumcision, its there choice not mine!


slightly off topic, but i went to a new dr the other day and in the reception area they had posters everywhere, stating that they now do circumcision, it made me a bit sad :(

[Theboys&me]

I am honestly not bothered what method other people use to decide whether or not to circ their child.

I believe all parents are entitled to make their own decision without the input of my sticky beak!

I get quite surprised when people ask that TBH - why would they want to know about my sons penis?? Seems a strange question to ask to me....... :confused:

[QTB]

I get quite surprised when people ask that TBH - why would they want to know about my sons penis?? Seems a strange question to ask to me....... :confused:

i agree!! lol it is strange ahy!

[Benji]

I am honestly not bothered what method other people use to decide whether or not to circ their child.

I believe all parents are entitled to make their own decision without the input of my sticky beak!

I get quite surprised when people ask that TBH - why would they want to know about my sons penis?? Seems a strange question to ask to me....... :confused:

:iagree:

TBH "just because" is usually someone's way of saying it's nobody's business. I'm sure she has her own reasons, and some people trust in the doctors who perform circ have done enough research for them.

I do things sometimes without researching it to the ground, but.. meh.

[Roopee]

Maybe she'll hold her baby in her arms and not bother doing it?
I hope she researches it- her child deserves at least that.
Maybe she'll get pregnant and change her perspective on the whole issue?
OR
Maybe, when it comes to the crunch, she'll come up against enough brick walls and just not bother with it?

I dont know? This whole not researching it thing bothers me a little but hey...what can ya do?:hugs:

[sam's mum]

I can't say that I would have much respect for any decision to modify a child without research.

that doesn't mean that I go around asking people about their son's penises though.

I would talk to my sister about things that I wouldn't talk to friends about, and I would go into more depth with my sister than I would with a friend.

[HelenHasTwins]

I am honestly not bothered what method other people use to decide whether or not to circ their child.

I believe all parents are entitled to make their own decision without the input of my sticky beak!

I get quite surprised when people ask that TBH - why would they want to know about my sons penis?? Seems a strange question to ask to me....... :confused:

Great post:thumbsup:....I haven't decided yet whether to circ my boys or not, but when I do decide it will be mine and my DH's decision ONLY...and I don't want to feel like I will get a lecture from either side....

There should be more people like you :yes:

[Leisa21]

I don't know, I've never come across someone that has circ'd without researching. I dont make it my business to go around asking people though. I dont really think other childrens penis' are any of my business TBH. Personally I dont like circumcision. If someone asked me my opinion sure I'd give it but I certainly don't go around asking about it. If some said I'm having my son circ'd I'd probably say, great, good for you. I couldnt do it but meh that's me and my business. I don't feel it necessary to grill others on their motives for it. I honestly cant blame your sister for betting a bit upset about it.

[twinkleprincess]

This is way left field here but maybe your sister just doesnt want to discuss future DS's penis with you,
I have no idea what type of relationship you guys have but maybe that is a reason why? I mean why are you so concerned if her and her dp/dh have decided to do this why is it of concern to you?
I have lots of disagreements with my sis on different types of parenting issues but we both ended up getting our Ds's circed,

I was up in the air and researched it but in the end it was a decision that i left with dp, he is circed and we preferred circed however if i was strongly against it we would not have gone through with it!

Oh and BTW i am sick of people asking me if my son is circed or not it was my choice to circ so get over it and i dont wanna here why i shouldnt have got it done by total strangers either:no:

[misskittyfantastico]

I am completely, 100%, no exceptions, do not pass go do not collect $200 against the practice of Routine Infant Circumcision. I have not read one article or heard one argument "for" RIC that I find even the least bit swaying.

That said, I do not dispise or judge those who choose this practice - I just feel that the practice of RIC should be made illegal.

I find it bemusing to hear that people would alter their childs anatomy WITH research, let alone WITHOUT. But again, I don't judge the parent - I judge the practitioner.

[jaesmummy]

I haven't ever thought to ask someone with a baby son if they circ'd him or not. And I've never been asked. I have 4 sons. The doctor simply told me that it's rarely done anymore (except primarily for cultural or religious reasons) and certainly not necessary for hygeine if boys are taught the correct way to clean their bodies. My sons have never had a problem or complaint. It's a really personal decision tho' - I'm trying not to be offensive but personally, I don't like my children modifying their bodies in any way (piercings, tatts etc) until they are at an age where they can at least attempt to make some form of informed decision for themselves. I guess if not being circ'd is a really big deal for them as adults they can decide on having the procedure done then.

[Leisa21]

I am completely, 100%, no exceptions, do not pass go do not collect $200 against the practice of Routine Infant Circumcision. I have not read one article or heard one argument "for" RIC that I find even the least bit swaying.

That said, I do not dispise or judge those who choose this practice - I just feel that the practice of RIC should be made illegal.

I find it bemusing to hear that people would alter their childs anatomy WITH research, let alone WITHOUT. But again, I don't judge the parent - I judge the practitioner.
:iagree: completely. I'm against the practice not the parents. As long as there are Dr's willing the perform RIC then people will continue to do it.

[greengables]

I am honestly not bothered what method other people use to decide whether or not to circ their child.

I believe all parents are entitled to make their own decision without the input of my sticky beak!

I get quite surprised when people ask that TBH - why would they want to know about my sons penis?? Seems a strange question to ask to me....... :confused:
:iagree:

[serendipity22]

I think people who circ without research are lazy thinkers. They think because some other people do it is must be ok.

They are copycats, too lazy to do own their thinking.

In the USA (only country in world which circ majority of infants, expect Israel) conformity helps maintain circ.

Its the blind following the blind.

If IC didn't exist, it would never be introduced.

[Jakois]

I am completely, 100%, no exceptions, do not pass go do not collect $200 against the practice of Routine Infant Circumcision. I have not read one article or heard one argument "for" RIC that I find even the least bit swaying.

That said, I do not dispise or judge those who choose this practice - I just feel that the practice of RIC should be made illegal.

I find it bemusing to hear that people would alter their childs anatomy WITH research, let alone WITHOUT. But again, I don't judge the parent - I judge the practitioner.

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

[HousebumMum]

I think people who circ without research are lazy thinkers. They think because some other people do it is must be ok.

They are copycats, too lazy to do own their thinking.

In the USA (only country in world which circ majority of infants, expect Israel) conformity helps maintain circ.

Its the blind following the blind.

If IC didn't exist, it would never be introduced.

I don't think that is fair to call people lazy thinkers or copycats, because in some instances it is performed as a religious rite and those people and they truly believe that they are performing an act that bonds the child with Abraham and his ancestors and joins him to the religion.

I know that might sound 'crazy' or 'lazy' or 'archaeic' and hey I don't necessarily agree with it, but they do and it is an extremely sacred moment for them.

As for others who don't do research and just 'do it' because they want to, well I wouldn't say that they are necessarily lazy either. It may just be something they have always wanted, like always wanting to use disposable and not interested in researching cloth. Their mind is made up.

[NibbleCurlynBub]

I tend to think people who do it "just because I want too":eek::confused: probably need to learn better impulse control. There are many things in life that I might like to do but that doesn't make them right. I prefer to use my better judgement than act on every impulse just because I can :D
:iagree: "I want to" seems like a bit of a selfish and spoiled thing to say, to me. I mean, yeah, we all have things we do because we want to.. But when it is in reference to another persons body.. Well that is the part where I think a little bit of self-less thought should be involved.

But overall, how do I feel about it?

Just a little sad, but nothing more.

I figure if they wanted to be informed about it, they would make themselves informed.
Ignorance by choice just makes me feel a little sad for that person.

That's all.

[delirium]

I get quite surprised when people ask that TBH - why would they want to know about my sons penis?? Seems a strange question to ask to me....... :confused:

That's what I thought. I'd be kind of offended if someone started this conversation with me. I have never asked anyone this even family. Frankly it's none of my business anyway.


TBH "just because" is usually someone's way of saying it's nobody's business. I'm sure she has her own reasons, and some people trust in the doctors who perform circ have done enough research for them.


:iagree: Maybe she didn't wish to have to justify her reasons why she will circ. I actually agree that it's a topic that should be researched but I think OP that you are being a bit presumptuous.


This is way left field here but maybe your sister just doesnt want to discuss future DS's penis with you,
I have no idea what type of relationship you guys have but maybe that is a reason why? I mean why are you so concerned if her and her dp/dh have decided to do this why is it of concern to you?


:yes::yes::yes:

[Hollywood]

This is way left field here but maybe your sister just doesnt want to discuss future DS's penis with you,
I have no idea what type of relationship you guys have but maybe that is a reason why? I mean why are you so concerned if her and her dp/dh have decided to do this why is it of concern to you?
I have lots of disagreements with my sis on different types of parenting issues but we both ended up getting our Ds's circed,

I was up in the air and researched it but in the end it was a decision that i left with dp, he is circed and we preferred circed however if i was strongly against it we would not have gone through with it!

Oh and BTW i am sick of people asking me if my son is circed or not it was my choice to circ so get over it and i dont wanna here why i shouldnt have got it done by total strangers either:no:

TBH, before I joined Bub Hub I never EVER talked about the subject.....ever. My sister is the only person I have asked about circumcision, and given her reply I will never bring it up again, I just don't see the point now that I know what her plans are. Her and I are very close and can talk about anything, and she knows that I don't mean any harm by asking.

I do agree that it is odd for complete strangers to ask about circumcision, it is a very personal matter and as such is really only the parents business.

When, and if, my sister does have a boy, I certainly won't be asking if they circ'd him. If they choose not to, that's all well and good. If they decide to go ahead, that's their business and I don't want to cause any tension with my sister so I won't talk about it. Simple as that.

Before I joined Bub Hub, I honestly didn't know that the topic of circumcision was so hotly debated, so had I never found BH I doubt I would have ever asked my sister about her thoughts on it.

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread.

[circangel]

It comes at considerable cost to get it done most times and others there is no out of pocket expense. If it is something that is very expensive I doubt that parents would not at least do some information seeking, if only it might be talking to the doctor about the risks and benifits.

[Fuchsia!]

it bothers me alot

[shockinamillion]

I am honestly not bothered what method other people use to decide whether or not to circ their child.

I believe all parents are entitled to make their own decision without the input of my sticky beak!

I get quite surprised when people ask that TBH - why would they want to know about my sons penis?? Seems a strange question to ask to me....... :confused:

:iagree: No one elses business really.

[spoon]

I really have no business telling another person what to do with their child. I would just never stick my nise in where it does not belong.

[stellarella]

I think it's disgusting and tragic.
....babies suffering for their parents ignorance.

[talia11]

NOthing - not my business if other people choose to circ their children or not.

[sockstealingpoltergeist]

I don't really think that people can be blamed for doing something that is still widely accepted as normal and the done thing and something that is still legal.

I think much worse of a government who won't make it illegal. I also think worse of the practitioners who perform this.

[Freya]

I feel sorry for them that they are so oblivious to the damage they are doing to their babies both emotionally and physically.

I feel sorry that their baby has to endure something so traumatic.:(

[cluckcluckcluck]

If a parent researches circumcision and decides that it is best for their child, as much as I disagree with it, it is within their rights.

But if a parent doesn't research it or simply does it so that bub will be "like daddy" (or some other half-excuse), then it's just sad. It is such a massive decision, and it should not be taken so lightly.

If daddy had an amputated arm, would you amputate bub's arm at birth? Just so he didn't enquire about the differences between them when he was older?

[Phyllis Stein]

I'd think very poorly **of their decision**, whether it was researched or not, tbh, as I really don't see RIC as anything but cosmetic surgery on an infant. However, I can still like, even love people that make poor decisions. Though I do find it hard to respect someone who just follows the crowd on such major issues.

[naiwen]

I can't say that I would have much respect for any decision to modify a child without research.

that doesn't mean that I go around asking people about their son's penises though.

I would talk to my sister about things that I wouldn't talk to friends about, and I would go into more depth with my sister than I would with a friend.

:iagree:


I think it's disgusting and tragic.
....babies suffering for their parents ignorance.

:iagree:


I don't really think that people can be blamed for doing something that is still widely accepted as normal and the done thing and something that is still legal.

I think much worse of a government who won't make it illegal. I also think worse of the practitioners who perform this.

:iagree:


I feel sorry for them that they are so oblivious to the damage they are doing to their babies both emotionally and physically.

I feel sorry that their baby has to endure something so traumatic.:(

:iagree:


I'd think very poorly **of their decision**, whether it was researched or not, tbh, as I really don't see RIC as anything but cosmetic surgery on an infant. However, I can still like, even love people that make poor decisions. Though I do find it hard to respect someone who just follows the crowd on such major issues.

:iagree:

[bada]

I think if their doctor advises them against it (which I believe they are required to do) and then they still want it done without researching it then that is really poor parenting. In our parent's day I think it was recommended by doctor's and I don't think badly of someone for believing what their doctor told them.

So OP did your Sis conceive?

[SassyMummy]

I would have said, previously, that they were idiots, etc etc....

But tbh, sometimes people just don't know there's any value in researching, or that there's anything TO research.

If everyone you know is circumcised - your family, your partners family, majority of men you've come into contact with and asked (and really, it's not always that private of a matter - I've asked heaps of guys before...)... well, when it seems that everyone is circumcised, and none of them are angry about it, some even claim they love that they are... well, it can't be that terrible can it?

That's how it could seem to someone who does it without any real thought... because it's been ingrained in them that it's fine, and normal and there's nothing wrong with it.

Your friend may have also did the "just because," thing because she had had the discussion with others, and didn't want her reasons torn to shreds, and so it was her way of ending the conversation before it got to that. When you constantly get reactions you dislike, you're going to avoid talking about it again... I would anyway.

She could have done plenty of research, but didn't want to have to explain or justify it to you... and so said the "just because" to make you stop going any further.

[PeppaH]

I always said yes I would do it to my son(s) however once it got closer to the date, I thought, well Im sure if when he is older and wanted to get it done he could :laughing: I didnt want to do that to him because its not something that could be reversed lol. I never even knew people had a problem with it until recently.