View Full Version : this is why I can't fully participate in the facebook BFing protest...
borntobemummy
30-12-2008, 20:56
DH and I agree that BFing is natural and beautiful and definitely not obscene, but DH doesn't want me to post any pics of me BFing because someone else out there who does find it 'obscene' might look at the image in a gross(sexual/perverted) way and I really don't want anyone looking at me like that especially with one of my babies taking up a majority of the space in the photo. It is similar reasonning for why we don't post nude pictures of our kids on the net, as innocent as it may be, you don't know who is (ew, don't want to think about it) looking.
It's such a shame that there are people out there like that, I really wish I could protest too.. I think I still will, just minus the photos.
What do you think of this POV?
KatiesMum
30-12-2008, 21:00
:yes: :iagree:
While we as parents understand the natural beauty of a child nuturing, others dont always see things the same, and the internet can be a very sleazy place.
Solid principal or not, I would not be posting photos of that nature on fb or anywhere else.
Sheer Bliss
30-12-2008, 21:01
I don't have a problem with that. If someone is uncomfortable with a picture of themself, or their child, they have every right not to share it.
BUT I don't think anyone has the right to stop someone else from sharing their pics with others. Someone on the chat for the 'nurse-in' had a good comment....she said that there are people out there with foot fettishes, but she wasnt' going to stop putting photos of her feet/shoes up - JIC someone got hold of them.
It's every persons right, to share or not to share stuff like that.
I changed my profile pic for the protest day only, as it's not something I wish to share with the whole world on a daily basis, but i LOVED seeing some of the photos on the site, they were truly beautiful.
ETA: some people participated in the protest, but didn't post pics of themselves, paintings or sketches of breastfeeding were used.
Did you realise this is in the circumcision section?
I do my part because each photo, each mother breastfeeding in public helps to fix societies twisted views. We need to be pro-active.
borntobemummy
30-12-2008, 21:06
it's just such a shame, because I think it is so beatiful too and think images of BFing are very powerful in showing people that it is just another natural thing. The more the media and real life is saturated with it, the more it will be less of an issue. I have some great shots I'm burning to share, but I'm just too worried to for the above reasons.
I think it is different to a foot though, this is a part of my body that is special and sacred only my DH gets to see it (and of course the kids).
NibbleCurlynBub
30-12-2008, 21:08
Okay.. But do you support OTHER women's rights to put photographs of breastfeeding there?
Because for me that is what its all about. :yes:
I wouldn't do it, but I will fight to the ends of the earth for it to be my decision.
borntobemummy
30-12-2008, 21:08
Did you realise this is in the circumcision section?
I do my part because each photo, each mother breastfeeding in public helps to fix societies twisted views. We need to be pro-active.
whoops, I thought it was the 'discuss it' section, please mods, help:o
Sheer Bliss
30-12-2008, 21:09
I think it is different to a foot though, this is a part of my body that is special and sacred only my DH gets to see it (and of course the kids).
It's probably easy to think that way because you DON'T have a foot fettish :D People that do, see the foot as a special sacred part of the body. The same way you feel about your breasts, they would feel about your feet.
borntobemummy
30-12-2008, 21:11
Okay.. But do you support OTHER women's rights to put photographs of breastfeeding there?
Because for me that is what its all about. :yes:
I wouldn't do it, but I will fight to the ends of the earth for it to be my decision.
yes I do support it and wish I could do it too. I BF openly in public (well without showing too much) for the very reason that I believe it needs to be viewed as a normal part or life.
I was just wondering if anyone else has thought of the photos of the net in this way.
NibbleCurlynBub
30-12-2008, 21:15
I was just wondering if anyone else has thought of the photos of the net in this way.
Personally, no.
I'm just self-conscious of my boobs. :)
Tam-I-Am
30-12-2008, 21:26
I support your right to not-post photos :) But I don't agree with your reasoning, nor do I feel that way about it :)
I agree with Charli's mum, basically - there are people who are going to be sexually attracted to just about EVERYTHING. If you live your life trying to not be sexually attractive to anybody who doesn't have your best interests at heart, then you may as well lock yourself away in a dark room forever, because there are going to be people who have odd fetishes where-ever you go. Children, breasts, legs, feet, hair, lordy - even women in burqas and hijabs! I refuse to cater to these people...I will do what I do, and for so long as they're not breaking the law or making me feel uncomfortable, then they can do what they do. Also, part of normalising breastfeeding so its NOT seen as something obscene, weird, sexual etc - is having it be seen more.
Having said that - I think its fine for you to feel this way - afterall, nobody has the right to tell anybody else how they should/n't feel about ANYTHING. I would disagree with you strongly if you were saying that nobody should post breastfeeding photos for your reasons, but you're not, so I don't think there's any harm in what you're doing :)
KatiesMum
30-12-2008, 21:32
Okay.. But do you support OTHER women's rights to put photographs of breastfeeding there?
:yes: absolutely.
Mummies who can breastfeed are awesome ... :thumbsup:
bubbyboy
30-12-2008, 21:38
I participated & was proud to participate. I put up a pic in that group as well as on my profile pic. I chose one that was beautiful & special to me. You could see my boob, but just a little bit of the top & that was it. No nipple or anything.
I don't think it's any worse than what a lot of women wear around the place. I've seen women walking around with their (.)(.) almost hanging out of their tops!
It's fine to not want to add a pic if you feel strongly about it. It's about supporting our right to be able to post pics like that if we wish!!
codswallop
30-12-2008, 22:30
i only used mine for th eday and then changed it back becausr i dont want perves looking at me and my kids(was a tandem feed shot) but you could post any pic that included a breast feeding mother
so a painting or a photo of a statue hell even a pic of a lactating dog ! the whole point is the BF is not rude but a natural thing that we have a right to share with our friends if we wish
misskittyfantastico
30-12-2008, 23:13
I support your right to not-post photos :) But I don't agree with your reasoning, nor do I feel that way about it :)
I agree with Charli's mum, basically - there are people who are going to be sexually attracted to just about EVERYTHING. If you live your life trying to not be sexually attractive to anybody who doesn't have your best interests at heart, then you may as well lock yourself away in a dark room forever, because there are going to be people who have odd fetishes where-ever you go. Children, breasts, legs, feet, hair, lordy - even women in burqas and hijabs! I refuse to cater to these people...I will do what I do, and for so long as they're not breaking the law or making me feel uncomfortable, then they can do what they do. Also, part of normalising breastfeeding so its NOT seen as something obscene, weird, sexual etc - is having it be seen more.
Having said that - I think its fine for you to feel this way - afterall, nobody has the right to tell anybody else how they should/n't feel about ANYTHING. I would disagree with you strongly if you were saying that nobody should post breastfeeding photos for your reasons, but you're not, so I don't think there's any harm in what you're doing :)
Pretty much sums it up for me. I refuse to cater to the lowest common denominator.
reAllytee
30-12-2008, 23:53
I support your right to not-post photos :) But I don't agree with your reasoning, nor do I feel that way about it :)
I agree with Charli's mum, basically - there are people who are going to be sexually attracted to just about EVERYTHING. If you live your life trying to not be sexually attractive to anybody who doesn't have your best interests at heart, then you may as well lock yourself away in a dark room forever, because there are going to be people who have odd fetishes where-ever you go. Children, breasts, legs, feet, hair, lordy - even women in burqas and hijabs! I refuse to cater to these people...I will do what I do, and for so long as they're not breaking the law or making me feel uncomfortable, then they can do what they do. Also, part of normalising breastfeeding so its NOT seen as something obscene, weird, sexual etc - is having it be seen more.
Having said that - I think its fine for you to feel this way - afterall, nobody has the right to tell anybody else how they should/n't feel about ANYTHING. I would disagree with you strongly if you were saying that nobody should post breastfeeding photos for your reasons, but you're not, so I don't think there's any harm in what you're doing :)
I totally agree im afraid J .... I do understand why you feel the way you do but sadly if we start doing this with everything what are we doing ? Letting the minority of 'morons' win iykwim & its really going to be a sad day in society when that really happens as I feel its already happening in too many ways.
I do my part because each photo, each mother breastfeeding in public helps to fix societies twisted views. We need to be pro-active.
This is of course, the exact motivation behind the 007b (http://www.007b.com/) site - sort of "Come one, come all, here they are, perve till you're satiated".
Well, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. Clearly the perves are by definition, never satiated and there is no shortage of imagery on the Internet, perfectly free except for the ISP account cost. Precisely what effect a "campaign" on Facebook achieves is hard to measure; how it could possibly affect "society in general".
The sad thing is that there's men out there who find most pictures of women sexually arousing :rolleyes: I've had strange comments about me just standing there wearing clothes!!!
I think a lot of people find bfing a "sexual" thing because it's so taboo, I think it needs to be normalised.
Ana Gram
31-12-2008, 10:05
While I agree with Tam, I also understand why you feel that way. It can be a hard thing to actively fight society norms and ideas :hugs:
borntobemummy
31-12-2008, 10:24
after having more of a think of it, I realised that being Christians has probably got a great deal to do with why DH and I feel this way. You know, the whole modesty thing..which I'm not very good at due to the size of my breasts, I almost always end up with cleavage showing no matter what I wear:rolleyes:
I was saying to DH that while I don't want to flaunt my breasts while feeding, I want to BF openly in public to help contribute to the normalisation of it. I refuse to hide away in a toilet cubicle when I can just feed on a bench seat.
Another aspect that comes to mind is I don't want to make mothers who tried and just couldn't BF feel bad when they see me do it, it's a hard one.
westerner
31-12-2008, 10:27
I agree with everything tam said..
She just says it much better than i ever could.. :thumbsup:
Borntobemummy I understand completely where you are coming from. I have participated without posting photos, i have joined the groups but I wont be posting photos. Your reason is one reason my other (which I posted in another thread) is that those photos are very, very special to us and I dont want them put under scrutiny and being sexualies or called gross. It would hurt me too much. I also like you dont want them being used by perverts, that is my son and we also dont put naked photos of our boy online.
THe thing is I breastfeed in public, always did, home, families home, shops, cafes, returaunts, church, parks anywhere and everywhere. Gosh I even walked around Big W BFing. Because my son needs to eat. I would never make him wait or hide away in a toilet so I feel I've done my bit to help normalise BFing but yeah I do feel strongly about not posting my pictures. I understand your point of view and I dont think we should put our feelings aside for the greater good:no:. I feel the same about a woman that wont BF in public. That is her choice, I would never tell a woman she shouldnt do that and she should put her feelings aside for the greater good. BFing should be beautiful, comfortable and normal and every woman should feel that way about it (and man) I wouldnt want that taken away from anyone nor do I want that feeling taken from my photos.
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