missing women found dead

[*Chels*]

That missing lady(sorry i dont know her name,but shes asian)from melbourne has been found in the boot of her car dumped somewhere:crying:
The thing is that people heard bloodcurdling screams and an arguement and noone called the police!!:no:
maybe if someone did,she would still be alive!!what is wrong with people?!?
awhile ago,i could hear a man and woman screaming at each other.he was yelling "im gonna rip your ****en head off!!"
i said to DF we need to call police!!but we couldnt work out where it was coming from!!he didnt want to call,so we left it.then i hear a commotion about a knife being pulled and i thought "stuff this,i gotta do something!!"
turns out there had already been calls and police were on their way thank god!!!
it scares me that i could be in trouble,screaming and noone would call the police and just ignore it!!so what if it turns out to be nothing,or someone else had already called the police,isnt it better to be safe than sorry and know that you could be saving someones life?!

[Tulp]

I was a little shocked that 8 people who heard the screams chose to not do anything about it. Now someone is dead :crying: It could have been prevented.

Food for thought - now wouldn't it be terrible for you if you heard a scream, ignored it and later found it it came from a family member or friend. I think we all have to look out for each other. Society needs to start learning to care again.

Going of on a tangent here. Was watching Opera last week and it featured a chap who was racing on the road and crashed into another car. He got out of his car and ran to the car and realised that he had just killed his mom and her friend. He's servicing time for it now.

[reAllytee]

Police were called actually but when they got to her workplace they found no evidence of a crime as such as it was dark etc. They looked around but nothing.
Then it wasnt until morning that her boss found her glasses, some hair & blood so called the police again.
Shame it wasnt found earlier as it may have caused a bigger operation to begin with but im sure those that got called out originally are being dragged over the coals right as we speak.

[Tam-I-Am]

Someone in another thread (I think it was Jazzy's mum in the "junkies shouldn't have babies" thread) said that we're breeding a generation where nobody wants to take responsibility. She meant it in a different context, but it just as valid a statement here - nobody wanted to be responsible for calling the police. have you guys noticed that everybody seems to have a "oh, someone else will do it" attitude when it comes to these sort of things - but the problem is, if everyone thinks someone else will do it, no-one actually does, as in this situation.

Poor woman, its so sad that she was alive to be helped, but nobody wanted to take that time or responsibility.

[Tulp]

Eight witnesses heard the woman's blood-curdling screams, followed by a three-to four-minute argument between a man and a woman, in the carpark of the premises but none phoned police, Det. Sen-Sgt Iddles said.


Body found in car (http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/man-charged-with-murder/2006/05/23/1148150215363.html?page=2)

[reAllytee]

Someone in another thread (I think it was Jazzy's mum in the "junkies shouldn't have babies" thread) said that we're breeding a generation where nobody wants to take responsibility. She meant it in a different context, but it just as valid a statement here - nobody wanted to be responsible for calling the police. have you guys noticed that everybody seems to have a "oh, someone else will do it" attitude when it comes to these sort of things - but the problem is, if everyone thinks someone else will do it, no-one actually does, as in this situation.

Poor woman, its so sad that she was alive to be helped, but nobody wanted to take that time or responsibility.

Yup i agree. People were around when i got mugged on the street & no-one helped ! I would have had it been someone else because a girl being dragged into a block of flats doesnt exaclty make me think " oh she will be fine dont worry about her " :rolleyes:

Im hoping to raise Boof up to have more sense & responsibility than those people.

[reAllytee]

Tulp - Yeah i saw the article but on the news i saw they were saying how police went originally but found nothing & it wasnt until her boss rang the following morning saying he found her glasses & blood etc that they came back out & started an investigation.
Hrrmmms maybe they did that from her hubby's call im not sure now cant remember clearly. Stupid brain.

[DB&O]

OMG I can't beleive that ppl heard that poor woman screaming & no one called the police, what is the world coming too:no:
Off topic a little bit but I recently witnessed a young woman being harassed by a young man & although we were in a very public place & that there were plenty of other ppl around no one did anything to make sure she was ok. He was holding onto her upper arm very tightly & talking into her face in a very menacing way & after watching it for a few moments, I went up to her & asked if everything was ok. He turned around and looked at me like he couldn't beleive I had come up to them, it was like he thought they were the only ones there. She ripped her arm away from him & then stood beside me & the pram where DD was sitting, he shrugged his head & strolled off like nothing happened. She told me that she is a student at the Uni & that he used to be bf from the town where she grew up, come to tell her to come home or else!! I told her to go to the police as I was really worried about him finding her again but she seems to think that he will leave her alone. I still worry about her.
My DH was really mad that I went up to them as he said I put myself & Liv in harms way but I didn't even think about it at the time, its not until now that I think I was pretty reckless, he could have had a gun or a knife or anything but no one else seemed to want to do anything, what would you have done?

[Mum&bubs]

How tragic :crying:

[Maghan]

I don't think people are too scared to get involved most of the time, I think it' just an indication of how slow we are to change with the times.

Up until the very late 80's, domestic violence wasn't even considered a crime in most states and honestly police had no power. The best police could do was to get the aggressor out on to the footpath and then arrest them for drunk or obscene language.

We all need to be part of the solution to domestic violence. No one will ever know you've made the phone call and you may very well save someone's life.

[MariaO]

Wasn't there a study done that showed that the more people that witnessed an assault the less likely that someone would intervene. Collective responsibility, if only one person witnesses something they can not say "well, someone else will do something about it"

[Maghan]

Wasn't there a study done that showed that the more people that witnessed an assault the less likely that someone would intervene. Collective responsibility, if only one person witnesses something they can not say "well, someone else will do something about it"

Spot on MariaO!

[misskittyfantastico]

In my non-married days I lived in a one-bedroom unit and I could basically see into the unit across from me. on my first night, there was constant yelling fom a man (they didn't speak to each other in English but having a Polish G'dad makes me think they were Eastern European). Glass smashed and a woman screamed. I was scared ( I was 19 and alone) but called the police and asked to remain anonymous.

I don't know what the result was as the yelling etc continued but I kept calling the police and left a note under their door when I knew the man wasn't home.

Anyway, I'm rambling but I think what I'm trying (badly) to say is please always call the police if you are ever worried about a situation.

[bayandme]

I did hear about this story but my hubby and me were discusssing this and thought maybe the people who heard the screams always hear people behind this building scream and fight and thought just another fight so didn't bother about it. i think if I was one of the people I would at least call the police and tell them what's going on. Its such a sad world that you don't know who to help in case you end up being the one worse off.:no:

[CarolineF]

MariaO

There have been specific psychological studies done on this, based around an event in America in 1964 New York. I think - its called the Genovese syndrome or Bystander effect. A woman called Kitty Genovese was attacked very close to her home and a large number of her neighbours heard and witnessed the event through their windows.

Believing that someone else will have inevitably called the police - noone called or intervened. Miss Genovese was raped and murdered and she was not discovered immediately.:gloomy: In reality someone did call the police but it was too little too late.

This type of thing has been going on for decades and shows the level of ambivalence that exists in society today, not just Australia but also worldwide. Communities mean less, people talk and communicate with each other less, so people feel little responsibility for their fellow men.:(

Its not new, but people don't realise how tragic it is until it directly affects them or they feel vulnerable themselves.

[pookiesossige]

Mmmm, I remember learning about Kitty and that study in psych classes in high school, I'll never forget that one.

Brooke, I read that thinking 'yes, I would have done the same thing', but you know, maybe that's what I'd like to think I would do, but wouldn't have the guts. What I'm trying to say is well done, that's a good thing you did. I see where your DH was coming from with regard to the saftey of you and your children but you did what you thought was best at the time.

[CarolineF]

Its stuck with me for more than 20 years too. It actually did have an effect on me. I would like to think that we have all moved on but high levels of apathy clearly exist.

Maybe if they began talking about it in schools at an earlier age then our children may show more empathy for their fellow man.

[kuz78au]

There have been specific psychological studies done on this, based around an event in America in 1964 New York. I think - its called the Genovese syndrome or Bystander effect. A woman called Kitty Genovese was attacked very close to her home and a large number of her neighbours heard and witnessed the event through their windows. Believing that someone else will have inevitably called the police - noone called or intervened. Miss Genovese was raped and murdered and she was not discovered immediately.:gloomy: In reality someone did call the police but it was too little too late.

I remember hearing about this one too (if it's the same one?). She screamed constantly for about 15 mins and nobody called the police because they thought someone else would. It was in a block of units I believe?

Anyway a similar thing happened to me. Someone fainted and had a fit on a packed bus one day and the driver asked anyone on the bus to call an ambulance. After 5mins he asked who was on the phone to the ambo's and would you believe nobody did because everyone else thought someone else would do it (including me! Lol!)! Then the woman next to me did but her phone cut out, so then I phoned them on mine and the ambo's came along in about 5mins. Amazing how we all just think 'someone else will do it'. :thumbsdown: And it can get serious, what if the woman was having a heart attack? Our ignorance could have caused further damage... :(