View Full Version : whooping cough outbreak in australia
workin'mumof2
05-12-2008, 08:39
does it worry you for those that dont/delay vax
will you vax for it now?
does whooping cough scare you?
... there was a news show on it and they showed a 6week old and said something about making sure babies were vaxxed.. but the first vax with whooping cough isnt untill 8 weeks :confused: i just found that stupid..
anyway.. how do you feel about this outbreak.
TIA
yes it scares the SH*t out of me, Miki is vaxed but her immune system is not good at all, last check it was terible since then she has had more IV ABs she will be getting it checked again i know its still bad
I am really scared of her cathing it, whooping cough is bad enough on a healthy child so i cant imagine what it would do to miki, We dont really go around other kids for obviuos reasons, vaxed or not KWIM. a simple cold is terible for miki, but we cant avoid the hospital and thats where she picks up most things from, I just hope any kids with whooping cough in hospital are kept in issolation which is what protocal states however still some parents of conatgious kids take them out of there room and down to the cafe and toy rooms :(
pinkgingham
05-12-2008, 08:54
i've delayed DD for 18 months but do want to get her done soon and this scares me a lot.
i'm going to get her done asap. i was going to get her up to date anyways so now is as good a time as any...
Its very scary.It breaks my heart seeing those poor little babies on TV:crying:
DS is only a week or so off getting his first immunisations thank godness
My boy is fully vaxxed, but I'm wondering can we as parents get the shot too in case we go near babies?
earthfairy
05-12-2008, 09:15
My boy is fully vaxxed, but I'm wondering can we as parents get the shot too in case we go near babies?
You should have been offered it when you had your bub?
I am only a couple of weeks off of having our first & the hospital will give me my shot straight after i have given birth as well as bub.
They have also told us that grandparents or any immediate family MUST be done that are going to come into close regular contact with the baby.
I am in Darwin & they had 4 babies die last year from not getting vaxed against whooping cough.
Speak to your GP or Paed about it.
DH & all grandparents got the "Boostrix" shot which is Whooping Cough, Diptheria & Tetanus.
HTH:)
No, I still won't be vaxxing.
workin'mumof2
05-12-2008, 09:16
My boy is fully vaxxed, but I'm wondering can we as parents get the shot too in case we go near babies?
yes you can if you wish.. it was on the news they were recommending to parents to get a "booster shot" thats what they called it.
ask your gp if your concerned.
~Temet Nosce~
05-12-2008, 09:17
I think in times like this, with an outbreak, its probably best to get bubs vaxxd for whooping cough at least.
Those poor bubs they showed :no: they looked so red and sore from coughing so much, it was pretty distressing.
yes you can if you wish.. it was on the news they were recommending to parents to get a "booster shot" thats what they called it.
ask your gp if your concerned.
You should have been offered it when you had your bub?
I am only a couple of weeks off of having our first & the hospital will give me my shot straight after i have given birth as well as bub.
They have also told us that grandparents or any immediate family MUST be done that are going to come into close regular contact with the baby.
I am in Darwin & they had 4 babies die last year from not getting vaxed against whooping cough.
Speak to your GP or Paed about it.
DH & all grandparents got the "Boostrix" shot which is Whooping Cough, Diptheria & Tetanus.
HTH:)
Thanks ladies, I'm going to ask my GP about it next week :thumbsup:
No, we won't be vaxing for this. This vaccine has been linked to SIDS.
onemummmy
05-12-2008, 09:33
I am of the understanding that one needle wont do anything, you need to have the full course(3or4) before you MAY be protected. are people forgetting vaccines are NOT guarenteed(sp?) to work?(and that they wont necessarily stop you getting the disease/illness?)
onemummmy
05-12-2008, 09:34
No, we won't be vaxing for this. This vaccine has been linked to SIDS.
:iagree:
workin'mumof2
05-12-2008, 09:37
shed - arent most vacines linked to sids? or only some.. do you have any more info on this please.. if so can you please pm me.
onemummy - i read http://www.chw.edu.au/parents/factsheets/reswhooj.htm
there that only 2 doses needed to have "some" effect..
No, we won't be vaxing for this. This vaccine has been linked to SIDS.
:iagree:
pinkgingham
05-12-2008, 09:38
for me one needle its better than none at all....
shed - arent most vacines linked to sids? or only some.. do you have any more info on this please.. if so can you please pm me.
"Are immunisations linked to SIDS?
Over the past 30 years, there have been concerns that SIDS is caused by immunisation, specifically with diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) vaccine. This concern was first raised in 1979 when a report from the United States reported that four infants died within 24 hours of being immunised. After this, a number of studies were undertaken in North America, Europe, and Australasia to establish whether there was a link between SIDS and immunisation. None of these studies has confirmed that immunisation is linked to SIDS. In fact, several studies demonstrated the reverse, with SIDS being less common in infants who had been immunised.
More recent research has also suggested that there was no increased risk of SIDS in the 14
days following immunisation or that the recently introduced vaccines (eg Hib) were associated
with an increased risk of SIDS.3 A review of the research published in 2007 from the German SIDS research group shows that immunisation is associated with a reduced risk of SIDS."
http://www.sidsandkids.org/documents/InformationStatement-Immunisation.pdf
I had a scare about this the other week, dd had been in childcare for a couple of days and then she developed a really bad cold and cough. Turns out she is ok now but it had me abit worried at first.
I had this before we took DS home from SCN, he was very high risk, most babies catch whooping cough from their mothers.
Lillynix
05-12-2008, 09:47
Nope, I won't be getting DS (or myself) vaxxed for Pertussis.
I'm not in a current outbreak area, but even if I were, it would not change my decision.
While I realise that Whooping Cough is a horrible disease (i'm not naive on this) the chances of a child over the age of 6months dying from it, isn't that likely and since both my kids (although DD is vaxxed) are over the age of 6months are healthy in every other sense, I see no reason to panic.
The majority of childern over 6months and adults (except those immuno compromised such as premmies, chemo patients and the elderly) make a full recovery.
forbetoel
05-12-2008, 09:48
Having witnessed this disease first hand, the thought of my child catching whooping cough terrrifies me.
Babies do catch it usually from an adult.
I don't believe there is any link between vaccines and SIDS. None at all.
Fuchsia!
05-12-2008, 09:52
If you are worried, go and get a booster shot.
Adults are the main carrier of this disease not un vaxxed children.
So if you want to protect your child get the booster shot.
DS won't be getting the vax, or our new baby.
We are in an "outbreak area". Every child with a cough was getting tested a few weeks ago. It turns out there has only been 1 or 2 confirmed cases and they were both vaccinated against it:confused:
onemummmy
05-12-2008, 10:34
DS won't be getting the vax, or our new baby.
We are in an "outbreak area". Every child with a cough was getting tested a few weeks ago. It turns out there has only been 1 or 2 confirmed cases and they were both vaccinated against it:confused:
exactly what I was trying to say. its not a dead set protection. S&RM, even with two lots of the needle they need to be spaced out, your child could get the needle then be exposed to whooping cough before the next needle anyway.
workin'mumof2
05-12-2008, 12:39
exactly what I was trying to say. its not a dead set protection. S&RM, even with two lots of the needle they need to be spaced out, your child could get the needle then be exposed to whooping cough before the next needle anyway.
i know.. i just thought you were saying something else.. sorry
my child wont be getting any more vax's
onemummmy
05-12-2008, 13:04
dont apologise:no: I think we understood each other pretty well :yes:
MrsMiggins
05-12-2008, 13:15
I'm really glad my kids have been vaxed against it. If they do happen to catch it, then chances are it will be far less serious & also far less distressing for them.
My boy is fully vaxxed, but I'm wondering can we as parents get the shot too in case we go near babies?
Yes, I was offered it through the city council.
MimiGrace
05-12-2008, 13:22
I don't think i would get my kids vaccinated.
I had whooping cough as a child, so i think as long as their not infants anymore, the risks of vaccinating (for me personally) are far more than the risk of contracting whooping cough.
If i had an infant, i would probably just hope that the anti-bodies in the breast milk were doing the job they are meant to :p and just limit the contact i have with people who could be infected.
Sheer Bliss
05-12-2008, 15:54
While I realise that Whooping Cough is a horrible disease (i'm not naive on this) the chances of a child over the age of 6months dying from it, isn't that likely and since both my kids (although DD is vaxxed) are over the age of 6months are healthy in every other sense, I see no reason to panic.
The majority of childern over 6months and adults (except those immuno compromised such as premmies, chemo patients and the elderly) make a full recovery.
This is all the more reason IMO to make sure that as many people as possible are vaccinated, to protect those that REALLY need it. In this day and age, there are more and more poeple undergoing chemo, premmie babies etc, and you simply don't know if you are in contact with them or not. I wouldn't like to take the risk with someone elses premature baby or great grandmother.
Limiting who you are in contact with is also very difficult, unless you lock yourself inside, and never go to the supermarket, petrol station or pick the older kids up from school.
Thanks for the info on adults getting boosters too!!
IMO the link between this vax and SIDS is one of the co-incidence ones.....just like carrots are poisonous.....my proof.....everyone who ate carrots in the 1820's are now dead - therefore they must be poisonous. :rolleyes: :p
~Temet Nosce~
05-12-2008, 16:11
I dunno why people are using the 'vax linked to sids'.. if they get whooping cough they have a risk of dying too. More of a risk than vaxxing. Also, whooping cough might not kill a child, but it can make them cough sooo much, that they acctually end up deprived of oxygen, and can lead to brain damage.
But of course, thats just what I think, and I don't really care if you do or do not get your child vaxxd. I'm just glad my dd is. Each to their own.
Lillynix
05-12-2008, 16:13
See, whereas i'm not going to take the risk of getting my child vaccinated just to "protect" those I may or may not come in contact with. I don't believe in doing things "just in case" so I will not vaccinate my children against Whooping Cough just in case I may come into contact with an immuno compromised person. Which in reality, the likelyhood is low. We never go outside of the house while any of us are feeling rundown or sick, so while not impossible, it's very unlikely.
You may call it selfish, I call it looking after my own childrens best interests :)
IMO the link between this vax and SIDS is one of the co-incidence ones.....just like carrots are poisonous.....my proof.....everyone who ate carrots in the 1820's are now dead - therefore they must be poisonous. :rolleyes: :p
Where does "Average Life Expectancy" fit in with your comparison? :detective:
Sheer Bliss
06-12-2008, 12:47
Where does "Average Life Expectancy" fit in with your comparison? :detective:
Probably about the same place that 'age at most risk for sids' comes into the comparison that vax's are related to sids. :D
"Are immunisations linked to SIDS?
Over the past 30 years, there have been concerns that SIDS is caused by immunisation, specifically with diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) vaccine. This concern was first raised in 1979 when a report from the United States reported that four infants died within 24 hours of being immunised. After this, a number of studies were undertaken in North America, Europe, and Australasia to establish whether there was a link between SIDS and immunisation. None of these studies has confirmed that immunisation is linked to SIDS. In fact, several studies demonstrated the reverse, with SIDS being less common in infants who had been immunised.
More recent research has also suggested that there was no increased risk of SIDS in the 14
days following immunisation or that the recently introduced vaccines (eg Hib) were associated
with an increased risk of SIDS.3 A review of the research published in 2007 from the German SIDS research group shows that immunisation is associated with a reduced risk of SIDS."
http://www.sidsandkids.org/documents/InformationStatement-Immunisation.pdf
Did anybody actually read this post?
SIDS and Kids, the organisation dedicated to preventing SIDS, states that vaccinations are NOT linked to SIDS, and recommends all children be vaccinated. If you follow the link given by sweetperfectchild, you can also view their references if you like.
Take their advice or don't take it...the choice is yours. But please do not just make statements like "vaccines are linked to SIDS" when they are clearly not.
reAllytee
06-12-2008, 22:34
Take their advice or don't take it...the choice is yours. But please do not just make statements like "vaccines are linked to SIDS" when they are clearly not.
That statement is fair :confused:
Smoking is 'linked' to SIDS as are various other things.
No one knows what causes SIDS otherwise there wouldnt be an issues.
If the statement was " vaccines cause SIDS " that would be something completely different.
FiveInTheBed
06-12-2008, 22:39
I'm happy with my decision to have my kids fully vaxxed.
That statement is fair :confused:
Smoking is 'linked' to SIDS as are various other things.
No one knows what causes SIDS otherwise there wouldnt be an issues.
If the statement was " vaccines cause SIDS " that would be something completely different.
Maybe you missed the bolded parts of the previous quote?
The studies show that, in fact, vaccines reduce the risk of SIDS. You do not say that one thing is "linked" to another when it reduces the risk. Being "linked" implies causation! :hair:
Smoking is "linked" to SIDS because it increases the risk!
shockinamillion
06-12-2008, 23:20
I have told my entire extended family they beter be ready to go and get booster shots before these babies are born or they won't even be seeing them.
IMO this is just one more reason to concrete mine and DP's choice to vax. Scary stuff.
Did anybody actually read this post?
SIDS and Kids, the organisation dedicated to preventing SIDS, states that vaccinations are NOT linked to SIDS, and recommends all children be vaccinated. If you follow the link given by sweetperfectchild, you can also view their references if you like.
Take their advice or don't take it...the choice is yours. But please do not just make statements like "vaccines are linked to SIDS" when they are clearly not.
depends who is paying for the 'study' doesnt it? which one did the pharmaceutiful company pay for or have connections to that supply vaccines.
this sort of info needs to be acknowledged.
workin'mumof2
07-12-2008, 07:09
if it is not linked to sids ask yourself why on the leaflet you get from the doctors is SAYS
to speak to your doctor b4 a vaccine if
- a family history of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
Probably about the same place that 'age at most risk for sids' comes into the comparison that vax's are related to sids. :D
Don't think so.
Average life expectancy of a human is around 70-80ish years. So everyone who ate carrots in the 1800's is dead because their average life expectancy was less than the years that have passed since.
That statement is fair :confused:
Smoking is 'linked' to SIDS as are various other things.
No one knows what causes SIDS otherwise there wouldnt be an issues.
That's right. The vaccine has been linked to SIDS. I didn't make the link, I don't dismiss the link. I don't know if the link is true. Parents of babies who have died within 24 hours of their children being vaccinated do believe its true.
I am not a hundred percent sure. No one is. No one can say there is no link because vaccinated babies have died.
They have been linked. That's just a simple fact. Whether or not the link is true is up for speculation but there definitely isn't enough proof to state they are"clearly not" linked.
I wish there was.
So yes, the statement that they have been linked is perfectly fair.
if it is not linked to sids ask yourself why on the leaflet you get from the doctors is SAYS
to speak to your doctor b4 a vaccine if
- a family history of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
I don't remember reading that in the doctor's leaflets. I would have had to discuss it with them, and I always read them very thoroughly.
workin'mumof2
07-12-2008, 14:10
link (http://www.gsk.com.au/resources.ashx/vaccineproductschilddataproinfo/84/FileName/09CB6A1A95B3EFED1A469C5A3E4F1CB6/PI_InfanrixHexa.pdf)
peanutbutter&jelly
07-12-2008, 14:39
That one says that its no reason not to Vax Rosie!! :D
workin'mumof2
07-12-2008, 14:46
That one says that its no reason not to Vax Rosie!! :D
;)in their opinion
shockinamillion
07-12-2008, 14:49
Live and let live I say, I will vax becuase it is my choice, I am not going to push my beliefs on anyone else, even if I do feel what I am doing is right(which is my personal pov and only that), We all have choices and the right to have our own opinions, yet we continue to try and turn each other. Its laughable.
delirium
07-12-2008, 14:50
Both of our kids are vaxxed so I'm not worried :cool: Our neice who is 7 got whooping cough about 2 months ago, and even at that age, had to be hospitalised (she wasn't vaxxed). It is a very serious illness. Do I think the vax causes SIDS? I'm not sure. I read research to back up both sides of the debate, although the recent stuff seems to say it doesn't. But how can we prove that those poor little babies wouldn't have died from SIDS if they hadn't been vaxxed? Maybe they would have passed anyway? I suppose that's why the results are so hard to quantify.
I think that my 7yr old DD may have had a very mild dose of whooping cough just recently, she is vaxed for it, I didn't take her to the docs, because it was only a slight cough with a funny sound, any way wasn't even enough for her to stay home from school.
link (http://www.gsk.com.au/resources.ashx/vaccineproductschilddataproinfo/84/FileName/09CB6A1A95B3EFED1A469C5A3E4F1CB6/PI_InfanrixHexa.pdf)
That one says that its no reason not to Vax Rosie!! :D
:iagree:
;)in their opinion
Well.... yeah!
I don't understand the reason for that link, it says that a family history of SIDS is not a contraindication.
workin'mumof2
07-12-2008, 16:33
if it is not linked to sids ask yourself why on the leaflet you get from the doctors is SAYS
to speak to your doctor b4 a vaccine if
- a family history of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
I don't remember reading that in the doctor's leaflets. I would have had to discuss it with them, and I always read them very thoroughly.
you asked where it was written and i was showing you... sometimes u just have to look into it a bit further
you asked where it was written and i was showing you... sometimes u just have to look into it a bit further
But that's what I'm confused about, there is only one very brief paragraph about SIDS in that pamphlet stating that it is NOT a contraindication & that a history of febrile convulsions should be closely followed up (doesn't say history of SIDS needs to be followed up).
I really can't find where it says see a doctor first :confused: I've read the whole thing & searched the word SIDS.
reAllytee
07-12-2008, 16:44
Maybe you missed the bolded parts of the previous quote?
The studies show that, in fact, vaccines reduce the risk of SIDS. You do not say that one thing is "linked" to another when it reduces the risk. Being "linked" implies causation! :hair:
Smoking is "linked" to SIDS because it increases the risk!
Yes when you go to the SIDS website that is what it says but to be totally fair you cannot just assume that the SIDS website is the only place you can get your info from.
If you are fully researching your facts etc this would mean taking on board loads of other info out there on the web.
The fact is in some studies there are links whether they are true or not is not for me to say.
It is up to each individual parent to make a decision based on the evidence they review & if they so look at links which advise of a link well you cant just write that off because SIDS says all is ok.
Again we do not truly know what causes SIDS, nothing & I mean nothing can be ruled out & that means vaxs.
Its like the statement " There are links with Autism & the MMR " .... This too is a fair statement.
It does not say nor read " MMR CAUSES/ GIVES A CHILD AUTISM " it says what it says ..... There is a link !
The link comes from the fact that there are cases where 'normal' children have had it but sadly with a family history this child has seemingly changed after it.
Now again this doesnt mean straight out that the MMR did it but it can be linked because there is a possibility that it caused the Autism to really come on or what have you.
Now yanno its funny ....
I read through all of that above & it its like I am wary of vaxxing & am anti vax.
This isnt quite true.
I am more pro vax than anything else but I am somewhat wary especially the way we vax these days but thats for another thread.
I just believe parents have the right to be informed.
depends who is paying for the 'study' doesnt it? which one did the pharmaceutiful company pay for or have connections to that supply vaccines.
this sort of info needs to be acknowledged.
I sort of agree with this but its not so much that but you cant just go off one study or one website if you are truly doing your research on everything !
Oh & as for the 'talking to your doctor before vaxing re:SIDS'
Why are we writing that off ?
It says teh same thing in regards to allergies with egg etc with certain vaxs ?
Yes many doctors & even the government will say " Oh pfft no dramas it doesnt matter its still safe to do so "
Yet most doctors ive spoken with, all the nurses who performed Boof's vaxs & even the vax leaflets themselves say to " speak about it all etc " ....
This isnt just something to brush off because its 'ok' its to be spoken about because in many circumstances you do need to be wary.
Lets not forget that kids react & whilst many only have a slight reaction there are those that really do react.
I have a child who screams & by screams I mean full high pitched screams & sobs for 6hrs straight ... Yes straight when given a vax. He refuses to bend his legs, comes out in a rash & then becomes limp & lifeless for days after. It isnt fun & this is still classified as a 'low grade' reaction. Yet most of the doctors we see deem it enough to leave his vaxs.
Who is writing off talking to docs about SIDS?
Live and let live I say, I will vax becuase it is my choice, I am not going to push my beliefs on anyone else, even if I do feel what I am doing is right(which is my personal pov and only that), We all have choices and the right to have our own opinions, yet we continue to try and turn each other. Its laughable.
I can vouch that I am not trying to 'turn' anyone.
I don't vaccinate my son but I am not trying to get others to refuse vaccination for their children.
Its just sharing information.
What anyone does with the information is their business. I couldn't care less really. Take it or leave it.
Please keep your responses in this thread, relative to the OP, which is regarding Whooping cough.
I am tempted to delete the last few posts as off-topic, however they raise good discussion and perhaps warrant starting a new discussion regarding the links between vaccination and SIDS.
Please keep the posts in this thread, polite and on topic.
Thanks :)
Oscar's mum
07-12-2008, 20:39
anyway.. how do you feel about this outbreak.
TIA
Havn't read the whole thread but in all honesty don't they say there's an outbreak every year:rolleyes:
Does it bother me - no not really at all.
*Sparkles*
07-12-2008, 22:06
See, whereas i'm not going to take the risk of getting my child vaccinated just to "protect" those I may or may not come in contact with. I don't believe in doing things "just in case" so I will not vaccinate my children against Whooping Cough just in case I may come into contact with an immuno compromised person. Which in reality, the likelyhood is low. We never go outside of the house while any of us are feeling rundown or sick, so while not impossible, it's very unlikely.
You may call it selfish, I call it looking after my own childrens best interests :)
I am fearful for my current unborn child. I hope myself or my 22 month old don't come into contact with anyone who has your attitude until bubs is 8 weeks old and can be vaccinated.
I am fearful for my current unborn child. I hope myself or my 22 month old don't come into contact with anyone who has your attitude until bubs is 8 weeks old and can be vaccinated.
Me too! I've looked after two healthy term babies who died of whooping cough. I've been keeping Esme away from small children for this reason, even though she is fully breastfed and I know I'm immune to pertussis, [I was tested for everything I could think of in early pregnancy - the midwives thought I was really neurotic!].
When I was working in the NICU where the two babies died they swabbed all the staff and a couple of the doctors and nurses had pertussis, [they'd missed their immunisation because of a scare on the 70s]. None of them had enough symptoms to stay off work, just a little cough.
Personally I see immunisation as a community service - it's not just about protecting my baby, it's about protecting all the babies.
Hi, I'm a little confused I heard about this today and was just looking at my childs forms for immunisation ( he's yet to be immunised at 4months due to having a cold every time it comes around) but it doesnt state whooping cough it has
everything but.... am i missing something?
Hi, I'm a little confused I heard about this today and was just looking at my childs forms for immunisation ( he's yet to be immunised at 4months due to having a cold every time it comes around) but it doesnt state whooping cough it has
everything but.... am i missing something?
whooping cough is pertussis and is the P in the DTP vaccine :)
Cades I totally agree :yes: Sounds like you have done some extensive research!!!
:yes: I'm married to a science geek, I think I absorb research via osmosis :laughing:
Seriously though, if you stick to looking at the Cochrane database and using Google Scholar, and checking how well a study is referenced, it's pretty easy to sort out what's credible and what's not!
bubs_and_us
07-12-2008, 22:59
the clinical name for whooping cough is Pertussis. The vaccine would include diptheria, pertussis and tetanus.
and in response to the OP - no, i wont be vaxxing against pertussis.
Lillynix
07-12-2008, 23:46
I am fearful for my current unborn child. I hope myself or my 22 month old don't come into contact with anyone who has your attitude until bubs is 8 weeks old and can be vaccinated.
My attitude? :laughing: You mean my attitude of wanting what I feel is best for my own children?
You better not let anyone near your baby once born then, unless you plan on asking proof of vaxx status, as you can't tell just by looking at someone ;)
I would never allow my children to have contact with others while sick, so I really don't think you need to be fearful :rolleyes:
FiveInTheBed
07-12-2008, 23:53
I thought whooping cough was most contagious before the cough starts...so people might just think they (or their kids) have a bit of a virus/cold...and still go about their daily routine.
I know I try to keep my kids home when they show signs of fever of runny nose, but not all peopple do.
My attitude? :laughing: You mean my attitude of wanting what I feel is best for my own children?
I have the same attitude. My DS comes first. Services to the community come a very distant second.
That is my right as a parent and I choose to use it.
schoolmum
08-12-2008, 14:54
My son who is now a healthy 11yr old had whopping cough at 3wks, he caught it off me, I started coughing 3 days after having a Caesar, and cracked a rib as a result. I don't know who I caught it off, my Mum felt so responsible, even though we were all immunized as kids (I was 25 when he was born) but we did not realise that it wore off. DS and I spent 3wks with Christmas included in hospital, as I was BF.
He was one of the "lucky" ones as he came out of it. He developed a "silent" cough where he would start gasping for air then cough and vomit, he had a nurse in with him 24hs the whole time.
For the 3wks he did not gain any weight, we were lucky that he did not loose any, but he mised out on some much precious growing time.
We were living "out bush" at the time and I had come to town to have him, we were planing to head back on a 12hr drive the next day, when we took him to the hospital to get his cough checked out, after being told by a GP that it was just a cold and sent off with atibiotics. We were lucky to have family to help with out other son as hubby had to go home back to work, it was a very stressful time for all.
That is my experience with whopping cough, everyone in our family and extended family ended up with booster vax. But that only helps those that are old enough to have them. So please keep in mind that any decission you make not only affects you, but may affect the wider community as well.
Oscar's mum
08-12-2008, 15:00
So please keep in mind that any decission you make not only affects you, but may affect the wider community as well.
A child with upto date vaccinations can still pass on whooping cough - so really it shouldn't matter if others choose not to vaccinate.
Lillynix
08-12-2008, 17:17
I honestly fail to see what is so wrong with putting my own family first? Isn't that what a mother does? Puts her own families needs and health above all else? If I didn't put my own family first, would I then be accused of being abusive, thoughtless along with being a bad mum?
My children are my life and they deserve to be my first priority in life.
In answer to the OP.
No, an outbreak doesn't influence my decision at all as I don't believe the vaccine is safe or effective.
I'm comfortable with my decision not to vax my child.
...
My son who is now a healthy 11yr old had whopping cough at 3wks, he caught it off me, I started coughing 3 days after having a Caesar, and cracked a rib as a result. I don't know who I caught it off, my Mum felt so responsible, even though we were all immunized as kids (I was 25 when he was born) but we did not realise that it wore off. DS and I spent 3wks with Christmas included in hospital, as I was BF.
He was one of the "lucky" ones as he came out of it. He developed a "silent" cough where he would start gasping for air then cough and vomit, he had a nurse in with him 24hs the whole time.
For the 3wks he did not gain any weight, we were lucky that he did not loose any, but he mised out on some much precious growing time.
We were living "out bush" at the time and I had come to town to have him, we were planing to head back on a 12hr drive the next day, when we took him to the hospital to get his cough checked out, after being told by a GP that it was just a cold and sent off with atibiotics. We were lucky to have family to help with out other son as hubby had to go home back to work, it was a very stressful time for all.
That is my experience with whopping cough, everyone in our family and extended family ended up with booster vax. But that only helps those that are old enough to have them. So please keep in mind that any decission you make not only affects you, but may affect the wider community as well.
You poor thing :hugs: to you and your son, I know how it feels to have a child sick with a vaccine preventable disease, it's no picnic, my daughter spent 3 wks in hospital, a considerable time of that in IC, I think a lot of parents are unaware of just how bad it can be, I am happy things turned out good for you.
I honestly fail to see what is so wrong with putting my own family first? Isn't that what a mother does? Puts her own families needs and health above all else?
Yes, that's right, and anyone who expects otherwise can expect till the cows come home. It won't make a bit of difference to any mother.
Vaxers get their children vaxed because they believe it is in their child's best interests. The rest of the community never comes before your own children, whether you vax or not, let's be realistic.
I certainly feel that I am looking after my DS's best interests by NOT vaxing him. Considering that vaxed children can (and do) still get Whooping Cough (and can therefore pass it on), PLUS the vax wears off after a period of time, so all those who "need" boosters can also contract and pass it on...........well I don't see how my unvaxed child is anymore risky to be around than anyone else:confused: Why is it that only those children on the vax schedule 0-4 years are considered risky if they're not vaxed? Gawd half the population must need boosters surely?
schoolmum
08-12-2008, 17:58
[ Gawd half the population must need boosters surely?[/quote]
yes they do.
bunintheoven12
08-12-2008, 20:59
See, whereas i'm not going to take the risk of getting my child vaccinated just to "protect" those I may or may not come in contact with. I don't believe in doing things "just in case" so I will not vaccinate my children against Whooping Cough just in case I may come into contact with an immuno compromised person. Which in reality, the likelyhood is low. We never go outside of the house while any of us are feeling rundown or sick, so while not impossible, it's very unlikely.
You may call it selfish, I call it looking after my own childrens best interests :)
:iagree:
See, whereas i'm not going to take the risk of getting my child vaccinated just to "protect" those I may or may not come in contact with. I don't believe in doing things "just in case" so I will not vaccinate my children against Whooping Cough just in case I may come into contact with an immuno compromised person. Which in reality, the likelyhood is low. We never go outside of the house while any of us are feeling rundown or sick, so while not impossible, it's very unlikely.
You may call it selfish, I call it looking after my own childrens best interests :)
that is your right to not vax, just like us vaxers who choose to vax our kids and protect the wider community as well, My dd caught a childhood disease and almost died from the complications associated from that, and she would of caught it from an unvaxed person as this vaccine was unavailable to the public at the time, and she hardly ever went out of the house, you just never know what can happen out in the community unless we all walk around with masks on and sterile gloves, all of us are suseptible to whatever is out there lurking, also If I can also add that I lost a baby at 20 wks after coming into contact with someone who had rubella.
Sheer Bliss
09-12-2008, 11:53
:hugs: I am sorry for what you and your daughter went through.
But I think it is unfair to say that she would have caught it through an unvaxed person. Anyone vaxed or non-vaxxed can be a carrier of a disease. It's one thing that LOTS of people get confused on - vaxxing isn't a magic wand that guarentees anything. My sis was vaxxinated before every pregnancy for rubella, and still has a low immunity, it jsut doesn't seem to work for her. Live vaccinces (like i believe varicella is) can actually pass on the disease. It's not black and white.
For the record......my kids ARE vaxxed, I am not saying this as an anti-vaxxer trying to scare anyone (i know you don't all do that anyway - but the perception from others is sometimes that). But I have done some research, and know that vaxxintating is not as black and white as so many people think it is.
Lillynix
09-12-2008, 11:58
I don't subscribe to the herd immunity theory, so even though my DD is vaxxed, I still don't think she is helping to "protect" the wider community. But even if I felt differently, what i've been trying to say is, vaxxing or not vaxxing should be something you do for your own child, not for the wider community, as your own child should come first, however in this thread, i've been called all sorts of things (that post is now gone) because I put my children ahead of the wider community, which I fail to see a problem with...
:hugs: I am sorry for what you and your daughter went through.
But I think it is unfair to say that she would have caught it through an unvaxed person. Anyone vaxed or non-vaxxed can be a carrier of a disease. It's one thing that LOTS of people get confused on - vaxxing isn't a magic wand that guarentees anything. My sis was vaxxinated before every pregnancy for rubella, and still has a low immunity, it jsut doesn't seem to work for her. Live vaccinces (like i believe varicella is) can actually pass on the disease. It's not black and white.
For the record......my kids ARE vaxxed, I am not saying this as an anti-vaxxer trying to scare anyone (i know you don't all do that anyway - but the perception from others is sometimes that). But I have done some research, and know that vaxxintating is not as black and white as so many people think it is.
In our case it was most certainly an unvaxed person, because as I said there was no vaccine back then, but I do agree with you that vaxed people still get the diseases ,but only in a mild form, my other daughter had this vaccine and in her class of 28 kids she and 1 other child were the only ones not to get the illness, all other 26 kids were sent home sick.
Fuchsia!
09-12-2008, 16:56
I think that my 7yr old DD may have had a very mild dose of whooping cough just recently, she is vaxed for it, I didn't take her to the docs, because it was only a slight cough with a funny sound, any way wasn't even enough for her to stay home from school.
:confused: Are you saying that you still sent your child to school when you suspected she had whooping cough?
In our case it was most certainly an unvaxed person, because as I said there was no vaccine back then, but I do agree with you that vaxed people still get the diseases ,but only in a mild form, my other daughter had this vaccine and in her class of 28 kids she and 1 other child were the only ones not to get the illness, all other 26 kids were sent home sick.
Do you mean there wasn't a vax for the disease at all? or only select parents vaxxed their child with the vaccine?
:confused: Are you saying that you still sent your child to school when you suspected she had whooping cough?
:eek:
Do you mean there wasn't a vax for the disease at all? or only select parents vaxxed their child with the vaccine?
I think it may have been CP.
Sheer Bliss
09-12-2008, 17:58
In our case it was most certainly an unvaxed person, because as I said there was no vaccine back then, but I do agree with you that vaxed people still get the diseases ,but only in a mild form, my other daughter had this vaccine and in her class of 28 kids she and 1 other child were the only ones not to get the illness, all other 26 kids were sent home sick.
Sorry, I didn't read that bit about no vaccine back then :o. Preggo brain.
depends who is paying for the 'study' doesnt it? which one did the pharmaceutiful company pay for or have connections to that supply vaccines.
this sort of info needs to be acknowledged.
No offence, but I worked in a pernatal research centre that concentrated on SIDS and causes and I can tell you for certain that they do NOT do this research to the benefit of any company and their products. The research is independant of pharmaceudical companies, brand etc. So please don't make generalisations when clearly you DON'T have the facts on how research is conducted. There is so much legislation involved in research that their is no bias in products or brands.
:iagree:
Tls5431, you might want to hop over to the "SIDS" thread, in the vaccination section. :thumbsup: Your information would be very welcome there... we have moved this conversation because it is off-topic in this thread.
Sorry, I only just finished reading the remainder of the thread...:D
:confused: Are you saying that you still sent your child to school when you suspected she had whooping cough
Do you mean there wasn't a vax for the disease at all? or only select parents vaxxed their child with the vaccine?
That's right jaxcoop, because
A, she only had a mild cough
B,I did tell her teacher and ,
C,I never actually had a diagnosis from a medical professional, I hope that answers your first question,next there was no vaccine available to the general public for my daughters illness at that time, there is however one available now.
reAllytee
11-12-2008, 16:25
C,I never actually had a diagnosis from a medical professional, I hope that answers your first question,next there was no vaccine available to the general public for my daughters illness at that time, there is however one available now.
Sorry im not trying to pick or the likes just curious.
You say no one actually diagnosed it ?
Then how do you know it was WC ?
When I was suspected of having it back in 2001 I had a nasal swab *shudder* & loads of xrays but I was also an obvious case as I did actually 'whoop'.
Now I was a fully vaxxed adult who got a FULL dose of WC & by full I mean it took me months of getting over it & even now my lungs are scarred due to it. I got it from a co-worker who was also fully vaxxed & who had a doctor who said " you will be fine most people are vaxxed so wont get it ! If you want to go back to work then go ! " .... AWESOME !
Sorry but if WC is suspected you should be keeping yourself away from people. I had to do this last Christmas after my boys were both exposed when my cousins daughter was diagnosed !
The thing I got angry about that they too had a doctor who advised them to go ahead with their travel plans because again " most people are vaxxed ".
People can still get a full dose whether they are vaxxed or not ... I am proof, as is my cousins daughter !
Fuchsia!
13-12-2008, 07:17
That's right jaxcoop, because
A, she only had a mild cough
B,I did tell her teacher and ,
C,I never actually had a diagnosis from a medical professional, I hope that answers your first question,next there was no vaccine available to the general public for my daughters illness at that time, there is however one available now.
Then it wasn't WC? I dunno just seems very careless to send your child to school when you suspect WC. There could be so many vulnerable children there that could take it home to there baby brother and sister.
If just the tiniest suspcision would have had me at the Dr's before letting my child be around other vulnerable people.
I alway thought you were so keen to help protect child from catching preventable diseases?
Well that was my impression of you anyway :)
That's right jaxcoop, because
A, she only had a mild cough
B,I did tell her teacher and ,
C,I never actually had a diagnosis from a medical professional, I hope that answers your first question,next there was no vaccine available to the general public for my daughters illness at that time, there is however one available now.
I really hope that no one is that careless when DD goes to school and sends there kids with suspected whooping cough to school as that can potentialy KILL even a other wise healthy child but with a child like my DD the risks would be alot higher then normal
How ever with it not being actualy diagnosed, and that you say only a mild cough it makes me think that perhaps not WC and maybe croup and in which case again your child should have been at home
reAllytee
13-12-2008, 18:29
I really hope that no one is that careless when DD goes to school and sends there kids with suspected whooping cough to school as that can potentialy KILL even a other wise healthy child but with a child like my DD the risks would be alot higher then normal
How ever with it not being actualy diagnosed, and that you say only a mild cough it makes me think that perhaps not WC and maybe croup and in which case again your child should have been at home
:yes:
ZooKeeper
14-12-2008, 23:44
G'Day Y'all,
I'm worried about whooping cough but I have not vaxxed DD who is 18MO because she has extreme chemical sensitivities, and my immediate family have had severe vaxx reactions (including autism and that diagnosis came from doctors).
I have had whooping cough myself as an adult and it was horrible. She is still BF so would have passive immunity at this stage.
We recently had an outbreak here in Northern NSW where many kids wound up in hospital, but almost half of them had been vaxxed. The vaxx is no guarantee.
What I did was stay the heck away from the towns where it was reported, because I know heaps of people take sick kids out and about (and I think that is both irresponsible towards the community and unfair to the child)
I've copped a lot of flak for staying home with DD when she is off colour or has the runny nose/"bit warm"/rash or whatever going on from people who say I am playing it too safe. But it's paid off as DD has not had any fever high enough to need to go to doctors, has not had anything progress further than sniffles, and her rash has never become infected or weepy and always clears up with natural ointments once the chemical she got exposed to is out of her system (or off her clothes or whatever), she's never had gastro, vomiting, a severe cough or anything else serious, because I'm so conchie about not exposing her to more things when her immune system is obviously busy dealing with something (and we live out bush so she gets plenty of natural germs to deal with, then the town germs as well when we go out).
And that's how I'm handling the question of whooping cough and the vaxx, avoiding exposing her as much as I can to active cases, and looking after her immune system generally.
I did think to race out and get her vaxxed when the local outbreak was reported but then I happened to reread what my (deceased) Mum wrote about my autistic brother (and how finding that writing came about belongs in the spirituality part of the forum because it was kinda like a message from her).
We MAY get Bear vaxxed when she is older and her immune system tougher, and hopefully her chemical sensitivity will also have eased off (or her greater body mass will mean it's less of a hit to her being vaxxed).
:)
Best wishes to y'all,
Zooy
SophOlivia
19-12-2008, 19:16
Did anybody actually read this post?
SIDS and Kids, the organisation dedicated to preventing SIDS, states that vaccinations are NOT linked to SIDS, and recommends all children be vaccinated. If you follow the link given by sweetperfectchild, you can also view their references if you like.
Take their advice or don't take it...the choice is yours. But please do not just make statements like "vaccines are linked to SIDS" when they are clearly not.
:iagree:
Umm sorta but then I read wc is most risky before 6mths but no vax til 6mths. Is that right?
DTPa starts at 2 months.
But not fully (?) vaxxed against til 6mths?
I have doubts. I put more faith in bfing at this age. I think vaxxes jeopardise his health almost cancelling out the breastmilk. :(
But not fully (?) vaxxed against til 6mths?
An immune response is achieved after the initial vaccination. Repeated vaccinations are required because the initial seroprotective antibody concentrations diminish in an infant over time, and the multiple vaccinations help to achieve long term protection.
Breastfeeding will only protect your child from pertussis if you have the antibodies from the natural disease (not from being vaccinated yourself) or potentially if you are exposed to it while breastfeeding.
I don't believe vaccination cancels out the (many) benefits of breastmilk. I know personally that having been sick with influenza while breastfeeding, my baby only had the sniffles and a low grade fever (even though she slept next to me and was with me all the time) and I was fairly confident she was protected against Varicella, having had a bad strain of it in my teenage years (and she was exposed a number of times). Both breastfeeding and vaccination stimulate the immune system, just in different ways and both give a child a decent chance of avoiding serious illness.
Not sure vaxxing stimulates the immune system (in our situation it sure didn't) so for us we wont risk it.
My bub is fully vaccinated. I was very worried about WC and this was before the recent outbreak. I only noticed that I should've had the booster shot either before getting pregnant or after giving birth when I was sitting in the GP's waiting room and saw a poster.
When the recent outbreak was on the news I received a concerned call from my mum asking if my son was fully vacced. She was very relieved to hear he was. She had seen the sick bubs fighting for breath.
The news article she saw stated that the outbreak had occurred because of the large number of Australian parents who had not vaccinated their children in recent years. I am not stating my opinion here - this is what was reported.
The reason my mum was so concerned was that she remembered my attitude when I was younger. I was not going to get my kids vaccinated - this was 15 to 20 years ago when there was a belief that vaccination caused different things. Of course since then I'd done my research and found that this had been completely disproved many many times over and therefore I felt comfortable to vacc my son.
[quote=Cades;3375476]An immune response is achieved after the initial vaccination. Repeated vaccinations are required because the initial seroprotective antibody concentrations diminish in an infant over time, and the multiple vaccinations help to achieve long term protection.
Now this is something that concerns me. Repeatedly vaccinating an infant with an immature immune system, I believe, can over-stimulate the immune system.
There haven't been any studies proving the safety of numerous different vaccines given to tiny babies over a short period of time. Studies are only performed on each individual vaccine, not the combination of all on the current schedule. We all know for a fact that there are many, many potentially dangerous toxins in vaccines. I worry greatly about these toxins entering the brain of an infant and causing damage, not to mention the damage also to the immune system.
I don't believe vaccination cancels out the (many) benefits of breastmilk.
I believe that breastfeeding can protect against the damage that can be caused by vaccinations.
...
Lillynix
02-01-2009, 15:18
The news article she saw stated that the outbreak had occurred because of the large number of Australian parents who had not vaccinated their children in recent years. I am not stating my opinion here - this is what was reported.
I realise this was not your opinion, as you said, this was what has been reported in the media. But this is what annoys me. Incomplete journalism. I have to wonder if they also mentioned that Pertussis/Whooping Cough is also a cycular disease. It has been shown over time to pop up in 'outbreaks' roughly every 4 years regardless of vaccination rates, and that time has come again.
So sure, the overall size of the 'outbreak' may be slightly larger due to an un-vaxxed population (if that's what you wish to believe) but the 'outbreak' itself would have occoured anyway.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.1.9 Copyright © 2012 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.